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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 24, 2024.

Sucking peepee

• Sucking peepee → Fellatio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Peepee sucking → Fellatio  (talk · links · history · stats)

I think the title makes it obvious why. Yes, it's technically pointing to the correct page, but seriously. I doubt "Sucking peepee" is really an encyclopedic redirect to have. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - Redirects are allowed to be "unencyclopedic". This is an unambiguous redirect, so it's valid. Fieari (talk) 23:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete – Being a comprehensible synonym isn't sufficient grounds to include an expression. Yes, redirects are cheap—very cheap—but that doesn't mean we need to go Full Neelix and include every possible comprehensible synonym that no one would ever use. If there are actually instances of people searching for this, I'd be fine with it; but are there? Google Trends says no. (That one spike today is me just checking.) Please delete this, before someone decides that if this works, then so does hoovering hoohaa, lapping labia, tonguing twat, and savoring snatch, none of which are on Google Trends. (Actually, I didn't bother to check; but wouldn't it be something if one of them *is* on Trends, whereas sucking peepee is not? Then what are we gonna do?) Mathglot (talk) 05:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and Mathglot. Can successfully get to this target from a plethora of different searches, including but not limited to, Google. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Unlikely/unhelpful search terms. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

torn between voting to delete based on "peepee" being a general term for the thing that expels the bladder juice (i'm sure there's a better term for that), and to keep based on it being funny

ultimately though, i'd say retarget them to sexual intercourse or a more general target. can't check for a specific target at the moment, my isp would have me killed within the next 3 hours cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per Utopes. Jay 💬 18:05, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Helicopter dick

• Helicopter dick → Helicopter deck  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not sure this is a plausible typo (or what people would expect when searching this term, so it's worse than having nothing). Previously was discussed (and deleted) at RfD and no one suggested this target. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - Clearly violates WP:LEAST... this is very much and obviously not what someone would be looking for when searching for this term, and I don't think we have the actual information that this term refers to, so... since we don't have it, delete it. (if someone finds the actual information on wikipedia or wiktionary, please change my !vote to redirect there instead, but I'm at work so I can't search this right now) Fieari (talk) 23:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Implausible typo and is not what I'd expect if I were to, for whatever silly reason, search this term. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:DAFTify per nom Okmrman (talk) 19:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

List of lists

• List of lists → List of lists of lists  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 November 24 § ANE Resources – keep
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of lists – redirect
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 2 § List of Lists – retarget

From previous discussions (in 2013 and 2016), three pages have come up as potential valid redirect targets for this page, List of lists of lists, Wikipedia:Contents/Lists, and Category:Lists.

The current target, List of lists of lists, is in the same namespace, but it's not a complete "list of lists" as not all lists on Wikipedia are listed in "Lists of X" articles, and it's a "list of lists of lists" rather than a direct "list of lists." Next, Wikipedia:Contents/Lists has an approachable format and it's a "list of lists" rather than a "list of lists of lists," but it is also incomplete. And finally, Category:Lists is a complete "list of lists," but it's a category.

I propose that a disambiguation page be created containing these three pages as they all have their pros and cons, making none of them suitable as the sole redirect target. – BrandonXLF (talk) 09:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep and hatnote the other two. Jay 💬 11:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep, local targets are preferred when feasible. I don't see the issue with the current target; it need not be complete. I don't think someone searching this is going to be misled or confused by where they end up. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Daniel Striped Tiger (band)

• Daniel Striped Tiger (band) → Daniel Striped Tiger  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target was redirected to a different subject per an AfD so is no longer about a band. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete but we could mention it at the target in which can I would favour keeping. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Netflix films no longer mentioned

• Auntie Claus (film) → List of Netflix original films (since 2024)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Empress (film) → List of Netflix original films (since 2024)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kid Alpha One → List of Netflix original films (since 2024)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The titles of these Netflix original films are no longer mentioned in their target. 2607:FEA8:761F:4600:301D:BAB0:803F:CEE (talk) 21:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Star Wars™

• Star Wars™ → Star Wars  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

with the deletion of Peppa Pig TM, this probably also deserves a discussion in the same vain. Okmrman (talk) 19:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete no one is going to go out of their way to try and get the special characters for TM to search for that when Star Wars would have come up by then anyway. Canterbury Tail talk 19:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete™ per Canterbury Tail, implausible search term. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete™ per this being Totally Bogus Dude™

also did you mean "vein" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per previous discussions. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete™. Useless. Cleo Cooper (talk) 03:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete™: Unless someone adds the TM character to keyboards any time soon. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 18:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: impossible to write without knowledge of special characters, and also WP:SNOW by this point. Cambalachero (talk) 18:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Larissa Hodge

• Larissa Hodge → Flavor of Love season 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Larissa Hodge Aurora → Flavor of Love season 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Larissa 'Bootz' Aurora → Flavor of Love season 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Larissa "Bootz" Aurora → Flavor of Love season 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Larissa Aurora → Flavor of Love season 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not discussed at target with sufficient substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Also bundle Larissa "Bootz" Aurora, Larissa 'Bootz' Aurora, Larissa Hodge Aurora and Larissa Hodge. Jay 💬 11:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep Larissa Hodge, we have information on this person and it's found at this target. It doesn't matter that it's very little information - this is what we have and that's where it is. Delete the others as they are unsourced alternates and nicknames and also not described at the target. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

  Larissa Hodge is shown as her contestant name Bootz which is referred to as Larissa Aurora in another section of the article. So I'm not on board with the logic of keeping one but not the other. Jay 💬 12:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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Ductal

• Ductal → Lafarge (company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ductal is a product of Lafarge but isn't mentioned on the article at all. The redirect exists due to a 2015 deletion discussion of the article [1], I believe a redirect to duct would be better given ductal is the adjectivial form of duct. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

• Tagged with {{R with history}}. Jay 💬 12:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. Redirected via an AFD, no longer mentioned in the article ... it's time. Steel1943 (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Comedy Shorts Gamer (entertainer)

• Comedy Shorts Gamer (entertainer) → KSI#Comedy Shorts Gamer  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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• I just added mention. Brother of the subject - refine to the #Early life section. If kept, Comedy Shorts Gamer which is protected, may also be recreated as a redirect. Jay 💬 12:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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Comment: The "added mention" Jay is referring to spells the subject as "ComedyShortsGamer" (no spaces). Stating this for editors to be able to find the mention, otherwise I have no opinion. Steel1943 (talk) 18:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

National culture

• National culture → Nation state  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"National culture" is mentioned on the target page, but it isn't a subhead, and this seems to me to be a strange article to redirect this to. I'm not sure someone who searches for "national culture" will understand why they're on this page. I'm not excited about any of the alternatives I considered (Nationalism?), maybe someone here has a better idea? asilvering (talk) 03:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

• National identity or the more abstract Imagined community? Not sure what someone searching for "National culture" would be looking for exactly, but these seem better than Nation-state. CMD (talk) 07:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe Cultural nationalism? Traumnovelle (talk) 07:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

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Technofascism and Techno-fascism

• Technofascism → Internet censorship  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Techno-fascism → Techno-populism#Technocratic populism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Same terminology, different meanings. Does its meaning depend on the absence/presence of the hyphen, or can it have both meanings either way? – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 21:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

• My thought exactly. Either it is a term legitimately attested to in the literature, or else it is POV and should be deleted. Which of these it is, I will leave to smarter contributors than myself – the top Google “hit” points to one of the target Wikipedia articles and the second one points to this RfD itself! (and subsequent “hits” point to academic articles that are way “above my head.”) Bwrs (talk) 05:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

did some looking around and "technofascism" apparently means "fascism that uses technology", not "fascism in technology", so both of those are wrong

either retarget them to fascism or a more fitting target, or cause them to mysteriously disappear delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I imagined "technofascism" being a portmanteau of technocracy and fascism (with the former referring to governance by experts, not technology itself) and that it would refer to a blend of both. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 19:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

probably true Bwrs (talk) 22:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

• We should target both to Techno-populism#Technocratic populism. There's a brief bit about it there. I don't know that it has a particular stable meaning, but at least we clearly attribute one of them at that page. -- asilvering (talk) 01:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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F-Bomb (film)

• F-Bomb (film) → Fuck (disambiguation)#Film  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Fuck (2005 film) to be consistent with the The F-Bomb (film) redirect suggestion as per its RfD discussion. Jay 💬 05:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Per nom, WP:NOTCENSORED StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

  How is NOTCENSORED an argument for the nomination or even for Delete? Jay 💬 16:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. No title matches exist. Steel1943 (talk) 18:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Fuck (2005 film) per footnote [b]: ...alternatively referred to as Fuck: A Documentary and The F-Bomb: A Documentary. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

The F-Bomb (film)

• The F-Bomb (film) → Fuck (disambiguation)#Film  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Fuck (2005 film) to be consistent with the The F-Bomb (documentary) redirect. And the lead does say it's a documentary film. Jay 💬 04:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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"The F-Bomb (documentary)" redirect was deleted today, but I don't know why. I didn't know it was listed at RfD. When I had made the above comment, it was not. Jay 💬 17:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Per nom, WP:NOTCENSORED StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

  How is NOTCENSORED an argument for the nomination or even for Delete? Jay 💬 16:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. No title matches exist. Steel1943 (talk) 18:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Fuck (2005 film) per footnote [b]: ...alternatively referred to as Fuck: A Documentary and The F-Bomb: A Documentary. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

F-Bomb (movie)

• F-Bomb (movie) → Fuck (2005 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep to be consistent with the The F-Bomb (movie) redirect suggestion as per its RfD discussion. Jay 💬 05:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Per nom, WP:NOTCENSORED StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

  How is NOTCENSORED an argument for the nomination or even for Delete? Jay 💬 16:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. No title matches exist. Steel1943 (talk) 18:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:FLUFF

• Wikipedia:FLUFF → Wikipedia:Wikipuffery  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Wikipedia:Fluff → Wikipedia:Wikipuffery  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Should have the same target as MOS:PUFFERY. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

2022 abortion performed on a 10-year-old in Ohio

• 2022 abortion performed on a 10-year-old in Ohio → 2022 Ohio child-rape and Indiana abortion case  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete as inaccurate and implausible. The abortion was performed in Indiana, not Ohio. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - Keep per WP:CHEAP. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

  @Jax 0677: Why? WP:CHEAP doesn't explain why this redirect should be kept, it explains the general state of redirects. That's why you'll rarely see others cite it at RfD, it doesn't say anything in particular. Instead, it'd be more helpful to explain why you created it and why it may be a useful redirect, despite being inaccurate. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

  • Reply - Some people do not know that the abortion was performed in Indiana. Additionally, the redirect is not blocking any other article from being created. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Also see this discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_5#10-year-old_Ohio_rape_victim_required_to_cross_state_lines_to_obtain_abortion Okmrman (talk) 21:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Searching this term is entirely plausible, as the title lends itself to potential confusion by mentioning both Ohio and Indiana. TNstingray (talk) 23:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. This is fine. Someone searching for this term will find out the facts of the case. BD2412 T 02:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, Wikipedia is not a search engine, redirects should not be accommodating inaccurate keywords cobbled together into a never-before-seen title. As the abortion was not performed in Ohio, this cannot be an alternative name for the subject. Typing this into the search bar is far more insightful than maintaining this as a redirect, as readers will see the correct title and realize "Ah, it was the Indiana abortion case; the abortion was not performed in Ohio". This redirect currently causes confusion and presents a faulty equalization that a Ohio-abortion case = Indiana-abortion case, as there's no mention of a "Ohio-abortion misconception" or anything that would imply such a misconception. The redirect in question does not appear written at the target page (as it's untrue), nor does it appear anywhere on Wikipedia (as it's untrue). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

  Redirects don't have to be mentioned in the article; there is no requirement for that. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

  I never said that being mentioned is a requirement. Thousands don't, probably. But not being mentioned, heck, not even ever alluded to, absolutely demolishes any of the little motivation for keeping misleading information in the form of a redirect void-of-context. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as a plausible – though apparently not popular – search term, because not everyone is going to remember where the abortion physically happened. It sounds like the concern is that some editors parse the title as meaning that Ohio was the location of the abortion, rather than the (usual) location of the child – i.e., that "2022 abortion performed on a 10-year-old in Ohio" is equal to "2022 abortion performed in Ohio on a 10-year-old" and is factually inaccurate, but "2022 abortion performed on a 10-year-old from Ohio" would be accurate. I see their point, but I think that asking for grammatical perfection in a redirect is not necessary. The point of a redirect is to get people to the article that contains the accurate facts, and this will achieve that goal. Just as I think the incorrect hyphenation is not a good reason to delete a redirect, I think the suboptimal preposition isn't a good reason to delete it. Also, it looks like an RM during the first weeks of the article's existence introduced the "in Ohio" idea. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

  "Plausible, but not very popular" is a wild misrepresentation of the fundamental facts. This makes the assumption that A: writing a backwards, incorrect, non-existent / Google search prompt is "plausible", and B: a grand total of zero views with the last 12 months is "apparently not popular"... "Apparently"?? Even with the clunky overly-specific and still somehow incorrect title out of the way, was there a world that this title was even going to get a view? No, it's completely unnatural and would be expected to exist by zero people on Wikipedia. If you ask 100 people to describe the case in 30 different ways, I'm nearly positive that this title wouldn't appear ever, much less make the shortlist for likely and useful redirects. This is a search term, not worthy of a redirect. Search terms as redirects are a horrible precedent as is, as there's literally infinite search terms in existence and not worthwhile to entertain as long as Wikipedia has a build-in search box that captures every single variety, and everything I've tried has led to 100% accurate results as long as the text exists.

  And yet, with all of those tests, there are thousands of theoretical implausible search-term-redirects that could (and don't) exist. And all of the thousands would be far better options that 2022 abortion performed on a 10-year-old in Ohio in its current state, as it's literally a lie. On the chance that this is naturally typed into Wikipedia, with someone asking themselves "was this abortion in Indiana or Ohio?", they get a wrong answer. Why click further? The title implies the events already, and the implication is simply untrue. There's like 30+ other redirects currently here that capture every reasonable (and unreasonable) outcome, this untruth variant is simply not necessary. It's harmful and confusing and deletable per WP:RDEL #2. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Wikipedia is not Google, and even if it was, the redirect is still inaccurate. DrowssapSMM 13:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete inaccurate and implausible search term. TarnishedPath^talk 09:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Wikipedia is not a search engine StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 15:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - search term with enough relevant facts to identify the target, and catches searches where the reader doesn't know (or care) which particular state the specific events occurred in. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

  So does this mean that as long as a redirect is 80% correct, it doesn't matter if the remaining 20% is wrong/misleading because 80 is still a passing grade? There's an infinite number of 100% correct titles out there, I feel we should be focusing on redirecting those rather than phrases that are 90% or 80% or 70% correct; "close enough" isn't enough to redirect (the search bar solves all of those problems). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, that's exactly what it means. A redirect is meant to get readers to the information they're looking for, not penalize them for not already knowing certain specific (and to non-Americans, largely irrelevant) details of an event. Unless we have many articles on American children being sexually assaulted and then forced to travel to a different state for critical medical care that's denied to them in their home states for stupid religious reasons, "close enough" is just that: close enough. Taking them to the information they're obviously looking for is clearly better than taking them to an error message. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 01:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

  Okay... so throwing a hodgepodge of accurate enough words in a title gives one freedom to fill the remaining 20% with lies, I guess? Maybe nobody outside of America cares about the details and whether the abortion was in Indiana or Tennessee or Alaska or on the moon. Having unexplained lies in a title is inherently confusing, given that the 30 other ~implausible redirects that were created to this article are going to autofill here first. "Details being irrelevant" and "true accuracy doesn't matter" isn't just a pandora's box, it's a crushing typhoon of redirection malpractice. What error message would people see? The search results?? That's where readers go for 99.9% of the infinite search terms out there anyway. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as a plausible search term. Frank Anchor 20:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete because often times you don't see the redirection header when viewing the article; hence, such incorrect redirects may cause confusion. Bwrs (talk) 05:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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F-Bomb (documentary)

• F-Bomb (documentary) → Fuck (2005 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep to be consistent with the The F-Bomb (documentary) redirect, which the nom (correctly) fixed last week. Jay 💬 04:50, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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"The F-Bomb (documentary)" redirect was deleted today, but I don't know why. I didn't know it was listed at RfD. When I had made the above comment, it was not. Jay 💬 07:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Per nom, WP:NOTCENSORED StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

  How is NOTCENSORED an argument for the nomination or even for Delete? Jay 💬 16:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. No title matches exist. Steel1943 (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

The F-Bomb (movie)

• The F-Bomb (movie) → Fuck (disambiguation)#Film  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Fuck (2005 film) to be consistent with the The F-Bomb (film) redirect suggestion as per its RfD discussion. Jay 💬 05:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Per nom, WP:NOTCENSORED. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

  How is NOTCENSORED an argument for the nomination or even for Delete? Jay 💬 16:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. No title matches exist. Steel1943 (talk) 02:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Dulah, California

• Dulah, California → Solimar Beach  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Originally this was a stub article that was PRODded by me; another user removed the PROD and converted the article to a redirect. The problem is, the target does not mention Dulah at all, and (per the original stub) Dulah was nothing more than a rail siding located near Solimar. I find it incredibly unlikely that anyone would search for a rail siding, and even if they did, they won't find any information about it here. The article should have been simply deleted and so should this redirect. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 02:45, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: The page was partially merged. I've made an attribution notice in an edit summary at the target to avoid attribution issues in case the page does get deleted. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I redirected the page because I merged content to Solimar Beach and redirects are cheap. The only other reason to keep the redirect is that if you search for the Solimar Beach community in GNIS, the only entry that comes up is Dulah; that's the only reason I started an article under Dulah in the first place, since Solimar Beach is used on local signage and I started the article way back when I assumed GNIS was reliable. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 04:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
• Weak restore article (per WP:PROD, can be taken to AfD if desired), but could this name not be added to the current target? As things stand this is confusing for someone searching this. A7V2 (talk) 00:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
  • That should be "per WP:BLAR"! A7V2 (talk) 11:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep as a {{r from merge}} to maintain proper attribution. We can revisit the redirect if that situation changes. - Eureka Lott 02:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Colonia Ulpia Traiana

• Colonia Ulpia Traiana → Xanten  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

In 2018, Colonia Ulpia Traiana was redirected to Xanten. The page has had some debates in the history, and another user is now indicating that this should not redirect to Xanten, though they haven't created a page, only a 'See also' section to Vetera. Given that they have reverted the redirect, I figured it should come to RfD. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Pinging JoNeuen: Instead of reverting the redirect, please discuss here why you think the current redirect target is incorrect and where you think the page should redirect to. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I have proposed this on the Xanten page. The reason for reverting is that Colonia Ulpia Traiana is an archaeological/historical site, which is only briefly discussed in the Xanten article. JoNeuen (talk) 02:41, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

• The piped link mentioning Colonia Ulpia Traiana at the current target goes to Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa, so retarget there. There's also Ulpia Traiana, which redirects to Ulpia Traiana Sarmizegetusa. I think both redirects should point to the same place. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! So, the link to Vetera was made because I created this article myself. As with Colonia Ulpia Traiana, the Vetera article was redirecting to Xanten before, but I cancelled it because I was working on a translation from the German article. I considered this justified, because I didn't get a response on the Xanten talk page in over a week. Since translating and complementing articles using translation is what I mostly do here, my intention is to do the same with Colonia Ulpia Traiana. The Xanten page is already considered incomplete and these German pages are full of valuable historic and archaeological information that might benefit English speaking Wikipedia. JoNeuen (talk) 22:40, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

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• How about restoring this version? The editor in question was a suspected sock, but the article was neither deleted nor the edits hidden for socking. Jay 💬 17:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

  Strongly oppose doing that. It wasn't deleted because there was a pre-sock version to revert to. It wasn't revdelled because that's generally not done. We don't reward socking like that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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Draft:2021 Wikimedia Foundation's actions in Chinese Wikipedia

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 17:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Draft:2021 Wikimedia Foundation's actions in Chinese Wikipedia → 2021 Wikimedia Foundation actions on the Chinese Wikipedia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The article is already live. No need for a draft title. Ahri.boy (talk) 17:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy keep per WP:RDRAFT, and no reason to delete given in nomination statement hence WP:SK#1 applies. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:5450:3A3:46CC:17EC (talk) 17:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Culture Jam (mixtape)

• Culture Jam (mixtape) → Kawhi Leonard#Personal life  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 14:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:RFD#K3 as it is mentioned in the article. "No page links here" is not a valid reason for deletion IMO. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Kawaii Leonard

• Kawaii Leonard → Kawhi Leonard  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as a plausible typo, especially given the similarly pronounced Japanese term "Kawaii." The fact that no page links to this title is irrelevant, as it is reasonable for a person to search for this term. Frank Anchor 14:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as a plausible typo _pbp 16:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as implausible typo, adding two unique letters and taking away one. Leonard nor his name do not have any affinity towards romanji. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Plausible typo, especially for those familiar with the spelling of Hawaii. Steel1943 (talk) 03:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

LeBron Jim

• LeBron Jim → LeBron James  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as redirect creator (though I oppose a G7 speedy). While "Jim" is a common abbreviation for the given name "James", it does not appear to translate the same way for the surname, thus making the redirect more unnecessary than I thought when creating it in 2009. Frank Anchor 14:03, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Jim. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Implausible to a point where it could plausibly refer to someone else. Steel1943 (talk) 03:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

LeOld LeBald Le4and6

• LeOld LeBald Le4and6 → LeBron James  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Frank Anchor 15:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep A variety of Le____ have been used to refer to LeBron James and nominator hasn't demonstrating any harm in this redirect existing. There are reasons other than typos for redirects existing and therefore nomination hasn't met deletion criteria. _pbp 15:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

  Who is going to search "LeOld LeBald Le4and6" to find LeBron James? Someone just put together three random nicknames that are used to mock him, what is the point of having this? Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 20:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom + disparaging nickname. Not every string of three vaguely plausible nicknames deserve a redirect, and there isn't evidence for these three specifically being found together as a nickname. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, absolutely useless and beyond unlikely to use this title to reach one of the most recognized athletes of all time. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Nba allstar 2007 mvp

• Nba allstar 2007 mvp → Kobe Bryant#2006-07 season  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep (though it should be refined to Kobe Bryant#Scoring records and playoff upsets (2004–2007), as the current target no longer exists). Bryant was indeed the MVP in the 2007 NBA All-Star Game, so this is not an implausible search term IMO. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep but possibly retarget to 2007 NBA All-Star Game _pbp 15:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, random conglomerations of terms are a better fit for a Google search, and will not help readers. "MVP" is only mentioned once in the sixth paragraph in the section, not a useful redirect or precedent. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

The ceiling is the roof

• The ceiling is the roof → Michael Jordan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete This is a quote from Jordan [2], but it is not mentioned so the redirect is unhelpful. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep As noted above, was a quote from Jordan. Nominator seems to have nominated NBA-related redirects en masse and doesn't seem to understand redirect rules. _pbp 15:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

  The quote is from Jordan, but is it particularly relevant to have a redirect? Also it's never mentioned in Jordan's article. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 20:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

  From what I've seen so far, the nominator understands the rules perfectly well. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as an unmentioned quote. Nothing about "ceilings" nor "roofs" ever is discussed at the target page. There is no context as to what this quote is, who said it, or why it's a redirect there (or what part of the page it is pertinent to). Michael Jordan is one of the greatest athletes of all time, so anyone that wants to reach his page can easily do so through his name or the 20 other redirects that point here. Making a conscious decision to type in "the ceiling is a roof" implies that searchers are looking for a specific topic, and such a topic is not covered at the target article or anywhere on Wikipedia. Its existence misleads readers into a wild goose chase to find non-existent material. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete No mention on the page, no demonstrated relevance, not Wikiquote.—Bagumba (talk) 10:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

God's team

• God's team → Real Madrid CF  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Weak delete This phrase appears to come from a quote by Sergio Ramos which is mentioned in the article. I don't think that's enough to warrant a redirect, but I could be convinced otherwise if there is evidence that this is a more common nickname. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete and definitely don't keep, as a vague and unhelpful term that would be more suitable for any other topic related to god and a team from a religious sense. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: whilst they have been referred to as this at least once, I imagine a bunch of other sports teams will also have been referred to as this, as the term is vague. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Taylor Swift

• Draft:Taylor Swift → Taylor Swift  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Pointless redirect from a supposed draft article. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - totally pointless for inclusion and drafts are rarely or not at all linked on any articles on Wikipedia. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep (and delete the extra text): Actually, Swan, drafts do redirect to the articles once they get approved, that's a regular part of the process. In this case, it was out of process, because the draft was created in 2019 for an article that exists since 2006. However, having a "draft:article" redirecting to "article" is commonplace by now across the encyclopedia, so there's hardly a point in deleting this. Cambalachero (talk) 16:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:SRE, this is the standard way of dealing with these. There is no benefit to deleting, but there is benefit in avoiding RFD discussions for them. Extra text should be deleted and then the page should be tagged with Template:R from Draft. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:5450:3A3:46CC:17EC (talk) 17:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Cambalachero's explanation. This was never a viable draft, so it should have been deleted instead of redirected. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

  Hang on, Cambalachero's explanation indicates this should be kept from that user's view, so it looks like both arguments are presented above. The removal of the extra text should not be a problem either way. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. This is not an WP:RDRAFT. The draft was created 13 years after the fact (in 2019) and never should have existed. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep ... ish. Someone created a draft under this redirect prior to it being nominated. If need be, disable the redirect and then send this to WP:MFD. Steel1943 (talk) 03:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

What would be the desire to send this to WP:MFD? There is clearly not any salvageable material in the draft so there's nothing to discuss on that front. If the redirect is disabled, it would become eligible for WP:G13 deletion six months later. (Although, I don't see the point in waiting that long given that it's already been nominated for deletion). -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

• The 2023 IP edit should just have been reverted. But now that we're at RfD, Delete per Tavix. What I understand from SRE is it is applicable at MfD. Any draft may be boldly redirected to a corresponding article, and this avoids an MfD, such as this draft under discussion, hence was not a case of SRE. Jay 💬 17:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

King Kev

• King Kev → Kevin Keegan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. It is the most common nickname for him, but dates back to the 1970s. Anyone looking for him would surely be aware of his name and just type that. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep If It is the most common nickname for him as Crowsus asserts, then it should be added to the article. I don't see how this would be an implausible search term in that case. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

  I have added a mention. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per Presidentman, navigationally useful. Nickname should be sourced and added to article. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:5450:3A3:46CC:17EC (talk) 17:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: It's a valid nickname for him. "It's from the 1970s" doesn't make it less valid as a search term. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Eleven of Hearts

• Eleven of Hearts → Gareth Bale#Trademark application, media, endorsements and wealth  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - not included in this article and the section name after the # does not even exist any more. However, there are external links which has that but since Eleven of Hearts is more than one entity [3], it is best served as it's own article, subject to notability, excluding the Gareth Bale trademark celebration. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Leo Di

• Leo Di → Leonardo DiCaprio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, unnatural and unexpected chopping of first and last name, would not be searched and would not discourage readers from finding the main page. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Regordinho

• Regordinho → Ronaldinho  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete Also a possibly insulting redirect: "regordinho" is Portuñol for "very fat" (literally), which is a play on Ronaldinho (similarly pronounced). Bedivere (talk) 00:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per Bedivere. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Originaldo

• Originaldo → Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:CHEAP. Nickname as reference to disambiguate from Cristiano Ronaldo.Homei (talk) 20:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

  Yes it could be used to disambiguate him from Cristiano Ronaldo, but it should be a widely known nickname I think, like "R9" for example. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 20:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete this unmentioned, unsupported portmanteau of a nickname. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Diego Marradonna

• Diego Marradonna → Diego Maradona  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Plausible misspelling tbh but the site would probably offer the correct page immediately. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:CHEAP. Homei (talk) 20:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

The King of Football

• The King of Football → Pelé  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep The lead states that He was nicknamed O Rei (The King). There are multiple people with this nickname in various fields (see, e.g., Elvis Presley or Richard Petty), so "The King of Football" is a plausible disambiguator. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. A word in a different language that translates to "King", does not equate being designated as the ruler of the entire sport, i.e. the translation + "of football". No evidence in the article that this player is considered the king of football, and all around an ambiguous search term as this varies depending on who you ask. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

You cant see me move

• You cant see me move → John Cena  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, "you can't see me move" is not a phrase mentioned at the target. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

John Seena

• John Seena → John Cena  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Plausible misspelling tbh but the site would probably offer the correct page immediately. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:CHEAP. Homei (talk) 20:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, this is a reasonable phonetic attempt. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, overtly on the nose with 2+ errors, can be easily found without this redirect and we shouldn't be replacing "ce" with "see". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Plausible phonetic misspelling. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Scorsesi

• Scorsesi → Martin Scorsese  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Plausible misspelling tbh but the site would probably offer the correct page immediately. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Plausible misspelling _pbp 15:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:CHEAP. Homei (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: phonetic spelling, so plausible search term. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Scorsezi

• Scorsezi → Martin Scorsese  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:CHEAP. Homei (talk) 20:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, two errors is enough to delete. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:42, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: phonetic spelling, so plausible search term. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Cris Ron

• Cris Ron → Cristiano Ronaldo  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - I don't remember creating this but it's not a worthwhile redirect Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete this arbitrary shortname that sees no use. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Chris Ronaldo

• Chris Ronaldo → Cristiano Ronaldo  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as the subject is not called Chris, and there is no mention of "Chris " in the target article's prose. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Rehan ronaldo

• Rehan ronaldo → Cristiano Ronaldo  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - I have not found evidence that this is an alternative name for Cristiano Ronaldo Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per no mention of Rehan at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

The World's Top Goal Scorer 2011

• The World's Top Goal Scorer 2011 → Lionel Messi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mainspace page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Corey Perry. Delete, there are other sports that also have top goal scorers. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, Wikipedia is not Google, this is not how we do redirects. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:52, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Messidona

• Messidona → Lionel Messi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:CHEAP. If found via Internet search, clarifies that it refers to Messi (and not Maradona). Homei (talk) 20:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, was going to delete based on being an implausible and unmentioned nickname, but after Homei's explanation my deletion is stronger, as this is now also an WP:XY situation with Maradona, and can understandably apply to either target due to incorporating both players' names equally. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Messimagician

• Messimagician → Lionel Messi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as Messimagician isn't mentioned at the target. Nobody would type this in after having already typed out "Messi", which redirects to Lionel already. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

LM19

• LM19 → Lionel Messi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No page links here, also an implausible typo or misnomer. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 13:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Crowsus (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:CHEAP. Homei (talk) 20:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, no mention and no indication that this is a plausible alternative nickname of the subject, based on the content of the article. Anything can be an abbreviation, but in this format it seems unlikely. Messi is one of the most well known athletes of all time, and can be found easily. This redirect is not supported by content, as we have nothing to say about "LM19". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Joever

• Joever → wiktionary:Joever  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per WP:SSRT. Do we really need to include such 4-chan internet slang with no encyclopedic value, a "word" not used in any articles? Fram (talk) 08:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Weak keep as creator per WP:CHEAP. Duckmather (talk) 01:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

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it's not joever til it's joever, and that entry is goated with the sauce

...apologies for whatever that was, and for the somewhat hidden pun. keep as there are sources cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

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Dr. Seuss Enterprises

• Dr. Seuss Enterprises → Dr. Seuss  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Company not mentioned at target. Should be tagged as {{R without mention}} if kept. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep It's mentioned in these articles. Nightscream (talk) 16:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, not because of incoming links (as those don't matter if there's nothing to show for it at the target), but keep because "Enterprises" is mentioned at the article, at least in March '24. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Kannagi (upcoming film)

• Kannagi (upcoming film) → Kannagi (2023 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This film released just about 4 months ago and is no longer upcoming. Plenty of time has past to the point that there is no more confusion for a 2023 movie, as it's well into 2024 now. Nobody ending up here who sees "upcoming film" in the title would be surprised by it's removal for a movie releasing last year. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and WP:SNOW. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Very strong keep this redirect got 169 hits in the 30 days prior to this nomination, it is extremely clearly still serving a useful purpose. It's been used every single day this year, almost always more than once. Thryduulf (talk) 19:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as per Thryduulf, redirect clearly still in use. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Thryduulf. We shouldn't delete a redirect that is being used by readers with relative frequency. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep for now. (Seriously, though, we shouldn't be using relative terms like "upcoming" in redirect titles.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Source assessment notes} 03:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Per WP:SNOW, and the film has released. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. 4 months is long enough. Steel1943 (talk) 13:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Here we go again. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 06:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Phone computer

• Phone computer → Smartphone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Computer phone → Smartphone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This seems overly technical. Nobody would really refer to smartphones as a phone computer outside of drawing some comparisons between smartphones and computers. Okmrman (talk) 04:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. This is what a smartphone is, and I wouldn't be surprised if the terms were used before "smartphone" became the established term (I can't check as Google is refusing to show me results that are both verbatim and before a given time, and either one alone is overwhelmed by irrelevant results where the two words happen to be adjacent, especially in lists in adverts). Thryduulf (talk) 18:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment shouldn't this actually link to telco equipment? Such as a PBX or other phone computers -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 07:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. The phrasing of these redirects makes me believe they could also refer to Modem, thus making these redirects ambiguous. Steel1943 (talk) 04:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

  I reaffirm my "delete" per Ivanvector's comment: A disambiguation page would not be the solution since none of the subjects mentioned so far are title matches. Let Wikipedia search do its job instead. Steel1943 (talk) 16:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. I think it is easy for English first speakers (or young people) to say they aren't needed, but they probably serve some utility and they perfectly describe what they are. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 11:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
• Dabify. As Steel mentioned, a viable interpretation of this would be Modem, being "a phone used by a computer". However, I'd also think that VoIP phone-- a phone that uses the Internet instead of normal phone lines-- or softphone-- a software program that could call other people, which could be downloaded and installed on a PC-- would be valid interpretations of "Phone computer" or "Computer phone". Given I'm sure none of the above- including Smartphone (a phone which is a computer)-- would be a primary target, dabification is warranted. edited at 14:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - disambiguation pages are for topics that have the same title, not for manually compiled search indexes of possibly related keywords. We have a search engine for that, let it do its job. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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Colonial haiti

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. Nominator withdraws. (non-admin closure) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

• Colonial haiti → Saint-Domingue  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Grammatical errors. (Haiti warrants capitalization and there is currently no redirect for “Colonial Haiti”). Orphan. Serves no useful purpose. Obvious technical error in its creation. Creator is currently serving an indefinite ban. Savvyjack23 (talk) 02:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Not useful, only has 255 pageviews per WMFcloud since it starting counting views back in 2015. CitationsFreak (talk) 02:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:CHEAP. Unambigous and correctly targeted. The only error here is the lack of capitalization, which is not implausible. The correctly capitalized version should be created as well. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment User:Savvyjack23 the error is not an obvious one as required for CSD, and Template:R from miscapitalizations are created as a matter of routine. That the creator was subsequently blocked or banned has no bearing on a redirects suitability as only creations made in violation of a block or ban are subject to WP:G5, and this predates it. Please instead try to ground your concerns in WP:RFD#DELETE, thank you. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:5450:3A3:46CC:17EC (talk) 16:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Presidentman and 2601:5CC:etc. Plausible error and WP:CHEAP to maintain. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:5450:3A3:46CC:17EC, you continue to misread my comments. I didn’t mention that user made this edit while being banned and in violation of it, only that his edits should be more scrutinized since his ban is indefinite. Please stop replying back with WP:G5.Thank you. Savvyjack23 (talk) 16:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Withdrawn (Retracting nomination) Savvyjack23 (talk) 16:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

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Side-dump condola

• Side-dump condola → Gondola (rail)#Track ballast gondolas  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a likely typo (the correctly spelled phrase is side dump gondola which has existed as a redirect for a decade). Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)