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Archive 11: Jan 2013 – Dec 2013

Category:Postage by country

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Too late to take part but I wouldn't have opposed the nom. I guess the project outgrew the category which was created seven years ago. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 13:55, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Charles James Barnett 1796/98 - 1882/83

Given that you are wiki-retired (again) maybe it's not over gracious to ask you this, but I won't think any the less of you if either (1) you ignore it nor even if (2) at a future date you are seduced out of wiki-retirement (again) and answer it.

I am trying to understand why different sources give different birth years for this fellow. You started his wiki entry. One of the wiki sources gives his dob as 31 Oct 1796 which is quite close to the date given in the wiki text of 1 Oct 1796. Well, that could be the difference between birth and baptism. Or a typo in a source. But other sources say he was born 1798. Waiting two years to baptise an infant was unusual because of the dire consequences for the little guy's immortal soul if he died unbaptised. Of course, it may very well be possible to resolve the issue if there is a copy of the baptismal records somewhere. None of that should be your problem.

BUT if, by any happy chance, you know where the 1 Oct 1796 birth date appearing in the wiki entry comes from, sharing that info would be helpful. And please. Time to get on with Monday. Thanks for thinking about it. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's the date held on the CricketArchive page. Replying to Charles on his page with the link. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 13:57, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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pre 1800

In my opinion, for what, it's worth. Maun's book used all the newspaper sources known about and his list of games must be, subject to error (always likely with such a big topic), the main list. I also do not 'trust' CA as I am aware of little quirks of it's compilers. However by writing to Keith Warsop you can see if he has any new games from diaries etc. He occasionally does. As I have access to the same sources as Ian, I have the same list. You might be able to get access through your library service via Athens. It is worthwhile but tedious. Purchasing access is very expensive. My belief is that all matches played before 1800 are 'important.' Some clearly more important than others but I'd don't agree with 'first class' being applied as we have too little information by and large. Your work on WP has got much, much sounder though I take issue with the opinions you sometimes express. One cannot make assumptions without evidence and there ain't a lot of it in most cases. I accept that without your work pre-1800 would not be represented, nor so well. In summary Maun is the best source, Keith Warsop the best guide. I do not intend any edit war but please think carefully about drawing conclusions from scanty evidence. Again Keith is the best guide, indeed on this subject, he is pre-emminent. Match your list with his. The proviso on pre 1800, is that newspapers containing local news did not, or no longer exist in many areas and thus there is a natural bias to where they do ie: the South East. Regards TMA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdomm (talk • contribs) 16:00, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think first-class is a statistical concept and really there isn't enough C18 data except to create small samples, although these can be enough to identify the best batsmen. I'll take on board that I sometimes express opinions too strongly and should try harder to present possible alternatives. And it's actually a breach of WP:POV and WP:OR too! You're right that Keith is the SME and has been for many years, I think. I like Ian's books as they provide a whole load of information that can be used to complete at least part of the big picture, though still leaving many unanswered questions which I don't suppose ever will be answered. Martin Wilson told me the third volume will be out in a few months time. Anyway, I'm happy with the matches to 1725 now so I'll complete that when the merger discussion period ends. Thanks for the friendly reply and I hope we can help each other in future. You can always ask me if you need any help with the site or with text markup, especially tables and what have you. Regards. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 17:00, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Depopulating categories

Please stop depopulating categories, as you have recently been doing to Category:English cricket seasons from 2001, Category:2010 in English cricket etc. ([1], [2], [3], [4], etc)

Where articles are accurately categorised in existing categories, they should not be removed from those categories just because you think that the categories should not exist. If you want the categories to be deleted or upmerged, then make that proposal at WP:CFD, and seek a consensus.

I will revert the edits which depopulated these categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:57, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know this is a waste of time but what I was doing was correcting categorisation in the articles themselves so that all similar articles are consistent per CRIC precedent, usage and standard. If that means a few non-standard cats are emptied then that proves my point that they should not have been created in the first place. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 15:13, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Cricket live streaming

Hi there - I have removed your PROD from this article as another editor has previously (i.e. 6 days!) already tagged for PROD - no need to add a second tag. If you agree, you can use {{prod-2}} in future. Regards, Giant Snowman 20:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'll leave it. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 02:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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All done. Thanks. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 11:43, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Apologise

I apologise then. It seemed a bit of a co-incidence that you had made a plea so to speak and AA, let's face it, someone you have often communicated with, suddenly emerged to 'denounce' me a day or so after our communication. Again my apologies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.224.199 (talk) 15:43, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

West Indian cricket team in England in 2011–12

If that is correct, then the international definition of a season needs looking at. I was under the impression that September was the start of the winter season, per International cricket in 2011–12. Having looked at ESPNcricinfo and CricketArchive, I can see that you are right, but if we move the West Indies v England series, we will also have to move Pakistan v Zimbabwe, which also occurred in September 2011 and is listed as having taken place in the 2011 season on ESPNcricinfo. The same goes for Kenya's tour of the Netherlands, Canada in Ireland and the entirety of the ICC World Cricket League Division Six. – Pee Jay 12:06, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Done. Thanks. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 16:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

George B. Lee

As a respite to your current travails, can you check Haygarth/Altham on this cricketer, please? Looking to reference and expand, I find that his real name is Godfrey Bolles Lee, not George – he is named as such in the Alumni Oxonienses, The Times obit in 1903 and the 1901 census, and there's no doubt it's him. I'll move him to that name, but obviously there ought to be mention of the fact that he is referenced under a different name in some sources, including both Cricketarchive and cricinfo, which presumably also derive their information from Haygarth. Johnlp (talk) 11:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi John. Looks like Haygarth won't help as there seems to be no biography for this man, though he is listed in the relevant scorecards, starting in 1737. Altham on page 115 says: "In bowling, the (University) matches at the end of the thirties had seen some great work done, for Oxford by the two Wykehamists, Lowth and G. B. Lee, the latter subsequently Warden of the College, and for Cambridge by E. Sayers and Kirwan." He doesn't say which college but he means Winchester (see below). I'll look around and see if I can find anything else. Regards. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 13:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen the Wisden obit in the 1904 annual? It's in this and about halfway down the page. Extract:

THE REV. GODFREY BOLLES LEE, Warden of Winchester College since 1861, died at his residence in Winchester on January 29th 1903, at the age of 85. He formed one of the Winchester Eleven against Eton and Harrow at Lord's in 1833 and 1834, and assisted Oxford against Cambridge on the same ground in 1838 and 1839. His portrait appeared in the Illustrated London News of July 29th, 1893, and again in the same paper of February 7th, 1903.

Hope this helps. I'll keep looking and I've asked others if they can help. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 14:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More references – thepeerage.com; Gardens at Winchester and national archive. I googled Godfrey Bolles Lee to find this lot. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 14:28, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Thanks. I think there's no doubt with this extra stuff that the cricketer is Godfrey, not George, so I'll move him accordingly. And I'll let Cricketarchive know. Johnlp (talk) 19:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation

Please add the names of these mononymous cricketers to the relevant disambiguation pages. For example, I added Lear (1808 cricketer) to the Lear page. This will help users to navigate the encyclopedia, prevent duplicate entries, and generate more hits for these articles. Thank you.- Gilliam (talk) 06:57, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, yes, I'll be doing that as part of an overall mopping up exercise later. I'm afraid it's production line stuff for the moment. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 07:01, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Permanent stubs

Hi, Although I can vaguely understand the desire to document every cricketer who has ever taken the field in a first class cricket match, ever, when you have "Smith" unknown birth/death dates, I can't see how any sort of retrospective historical research can turn this out from a WP:PERMASTUB? At least with a full name you can do some genealogy research and work out BMDs. Surely in that case, and you feel the need to document such information, it's better to have a list of some description containing all of that information rather than a WP:PERMASTUB? (trying to be helpful). Barney the barney barney (talk) 20:41, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly a fair point and it's up to the site to decide exactly what they mean by WP:Notability as the permastub classification seems to me to require a subjective view. The ideal expressed by WP:CRIC is to create an article for every cricketer rated "first-class", though that in itself is a subjective classification and I for one do not always agree with CricketArchive. People rated "first-class" or who can be shown in substantial sources to have been significant without necessarily appearing in a "first-class" match meet the notability requirements which, for cricket, are described in WP:CRIN and we believe these comply with WP:ATHLETE and other guidelines related to notability.

I would argue that all the brief stubs we have for early cricketers could be expanded in terms of the match and the season in which they were recorded, though a lot of information would then be repeated across a number of articles. A better point is that considerable research is ongoing, mainly by the Association of Cricket Statisticians and Historians (ACS) and by individuals like Ian Maun who has in recent years published monumental research findings about 18th century cricket, and there is the very real prospect of more information being rediscovered which shows us what Mr Smith's first name was and gives us more matches in which he played. If a first name is known, additional research into parish records and the like can establish personal data about the individual. Obviously this is less likely with someone called Smith but with a name like Penniells, for example, a match is a real possibility.

So, yes, it's a question to be explored but it's a grey area at present and is perhaps an issue between different projects or between projects and the overall site. If there should be a wider discussion at any stage, could you please invite me and also post a notice at WT:CRIC. And I do realise you are trying to help. Thanks very much. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 09:05, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Surrey Club

Hello Jack, hope all it well! I've been told you might be the guy to ask about the Surrey Club which played first-class matches on and off in the mid 1850s. I've tried to find information online and in book references about the club, but I have met somewhat of a dead end! So what do you know about this club?! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 20:11, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, AA. I'm okay, thank you, and hope you are too. The Surrey Club was something of an historical oddity as it was an offshoot of Surrey County Cricket Club but, for competitive purposes, not quite the same thing. There is a good description of it in an ACS guide called Important Cricket Matches Played in the British Isles 1709–1863 (page 15, published 1981) which reads:

The Surrey Club Eleven, which played its first major match v MCC in 1846, comprised playing members of Surrey CCC together with any ground bowlers engaged at The Oval; in fact an organisation similar to MCC. The quality of the elevens fielded by the Club was adjusted to suit the opposition and the guide includes only matches v MCC.

In other words, the ACS group who produced the guide only considered Surrey Club first-class if it played MCC. CricketArchive almost agree with that except that this list of first-class matches includes one against Middlesex. See also their list of other matches played. The earliest games were in 1846 and they continued to play occasional games until 1881. I've no idea why they ceased though perhaps they realised they had become an anachronism and decided to focus on the county team.

You might be interested in the ACS guide's piece about Surrey CCC (same page) which reads:

The Surrey match versus Kent at The Oval in June 1846 marks the re-entry of the Surrey county team into major county cricket on a continuous basis. In the previous year, the old Montpelier Cricket Club of Walworth had paid Mr Houghton (can't find anything about this chap at present) to create a cricket ground at Kennington Oval and, later in 1845, Surrey County Cricket Club was formed with its headquarters at The Oval. The success of the new club was immediate and all Surrey eleven-a-side matches against "important" (sic) opposition from 1846 are included in the guide. The old Surrey side of the 18th century had continued to oppose England (i.e., All-England cricket teams) in the first decade of the new century and these matches are included in the guide. Surrey matches were very infrequent from 1811 to 1845 and the ACS only recognises those in which major players took part. Surrey's strength in some seasons lay in the the Epsom Cricket Club and Godalming Cricket Club teams.

That's not much but I hope it's useful as a start. If I see anything else about the club I'll pass it on. I'm asking JH if he knows anything about the enigmatic Mr Houghton. Regards. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 06:27, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at this - a tad more http://landmark.lambeth.gov.uk/display_page.asp?section=landmark&id=418 CDTPP (talk) 17:31, 10 April 2013 (UTC) and this www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=4975 which tells you a bit moreCDTPP (talk) 17:52, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I've dug out a bit more - see my Talk page. JH (talk page) 17:41, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's most interesting! I shall get myself a large written collection on cricket one of these days! Would you suggest a redirecting Surrey Club to a to be created section within the Surrey article, or create Surrey Club as a stand alone? Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 18:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would give it its own article. It was a different team to Surrey and a first-class team in its own right. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 18:21, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, Andrew. Yes, I was reading something about the WCL recently but didn't make the connection re the number of divisions. I agree with you that we should include all six divisions. I'll watch out for this at CRIC and support you if necessary. All the best. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 12:08, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Dean was indeed a sawyer so that link is correct. Have disambiguated Davidson. Thanks. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 16:04, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Streamlining subpages

Hi there - hope you're doing okay. I'm currently reworking (for the umpteenth time, I know...) my First-class players lists pages, basically turning all 26 pages into one set of collapsible lists on one page...

This will mean that I can finally get rid of 26 of my subpages - that *is* pushing it, after all. I'm not sure if there is an upper limit to the "group" number, but I've just gone tested up to 30 with ease, and it means I can finally put all these long lists in one easily accessible place. It will also mean that there will be a couple of links (I'm thinking primarily on the WikiProject Report) that become redlinks.

As long as both of us know, I know I can trust at least one of us! Can you see the collapsible tables as I intend them to be? I will certainly make it obvious which collapsible list refers to which teams, in the long run.

All the best. :) Bobo . 04:16, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Bobo. Fine, thanks, and hope you are too. You wrote to me just as I was leaving the country so sorry about the delay. It's a good idea and I'll keep referring to the new lists. I need to do some more work on the 1831 to 1840 list and I'll stay with the chronological side: I can't believe how many new players emerged each season! All the best. :-) ----Jack | ^{talk page} 10:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's a long long slog of a piece of work, especially for someone like me who can't focus on the same task for more than eight seconds at a time! Hope you had a good couple of weeks! Bobo . 12:02, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FST

I noticed you are back working on Trueman's article again. Have you seen the latest biography by Chris Waters? It's actually rather good, and quite warts 'n' all. Worth a read if you get the chance, although I suspect there is little in it that has not been said elsewhere. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't heard of that book, I must admit. I'll take a look as I would like to complete the article. But I suspect it will end up being two articles! Thanks very much. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 10:00, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gubby

Point taken about the single source! But there are plenty of others, but I have to plough through Swanton's hagiography first to establish the bones. There's a lot more to come, although I confess to being already heartily sick of Allen. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's your fault for sending me in the direction of Chris Waters! :-) I already knew Fred's opinion of Brown and seeing Tom Graveney's comments fueled things (oddly, Fred and Tom are the only two truly great cricketers I have spoken to in my life). I've radically altered Brown's article which was all "what a jolly good chap he was" and that led inevitably to Allen. I'll look through my stuff when time allows and see what I can dig up on Allen. Still making progress with Fred but worrying a bit about article size. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 19:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've quite a bit still to use; there is the Gents v Players book, Birley, Gibson and a rather damning section in D'Olly's biography by Oborne. There are a few other things worth mining, too. It won't be a hagiography when it's finished, but I want to keep balanced and not be tempted into a hatchet job. If Fred gets too long, it is always worth splitting. I did something similar when Hutton and Hobbs became insanely long; that way you can include the detail but not have an overwhelming primary article. My "start worrying" limit is 10,000 words (I don't know if you have this script installed, but it's fantastic for article length as it gives you words as well as file size.) Sarastro1 (talk) 19:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Finally done!

Bonjour! After two long spells away from the site for one confusing reason after another... I've finally consolidated all of my First-class players lists into three lists:

Could you please check that these lists are uncollapsible (don't worry about checking *every* list, obviously! Not even I have enough time on my hands for that!) Just one more job to do, adding all the category links, and then all is complete. After that, I will be deleting my subpages and fixing the links on WT:CRIC. Bobo . 04:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Cheers

Cheers. I bet they don't work on older browsers (I haven't even tried them on Safari and IE yet), even though I keep up-to-date versions of all five browsers for exactly this kind of purpose. At this present moment I'm re-organizing my user page to reflect the fact that I'm not around nearly as much as I should be these days. Having three subpages is infinitely preferable (at least 8.3~ times more preferable) than having 25. Bobo . 12:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Left-Handed v Right-Handed

Hi Jack. I wasn't aware of that! I've gone by the four first-class fixtures you mentioned and which are mentioned on CA. Also, as there are plenty of players who played for England before Test cricket, do you think we should categorise them too? Perhaps Category:England (pre-1877) cricketers or England (pre-Test) cricketers? Hope all is well. Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 14:08, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi AA. Those two matches are here and here. I've thought before that there should be a category for the non-international England players. I agree there should be a cutoff at 1877 to exclude players who represented "Rest of England" teams subsequently. One of the problems is the travelling elevens (AEE, UEE, UNEE, USEE, etc.) which were really officially organised teams whereas the All-England cricket teams which were made up of eleven players from the rest of the country to play against Hambledon, for example, were very much ad hoc. Personally, I would exclude the official AEE, UEE &Co. from the list.

I'm quite well, thanks. I had major surgery in February and am still recovering. Currently awaiting a biopsy result and then will have a CT scan in August, but everything seems to be okay. I'm working reduced hours for the present and thoroughly enjoying my Wednesdays off! I hope you're well. All the best. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 14:25, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My bad! I lazily checked the Right-Handed team for any other first-class appearances, found none and assumed the Left-Handed would be the same! I think listing them in the same category, while expanding the category description to say it also includes players from those two fixtures should be okay. I agree on leaving those off the list as well, makes much more sense for them to be seperate. We've got without counting at least 150 appearances pre-Test cricket of an England team playing in first-class matches, all domestically in England. Got any suggestions for the category name? I hope it's nothing too bad and that your recover soon, all the best Jack. Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 19:12, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a good enough category name, a simple description in the category should resolve any confusion which might arise. My first (vague) memory of county cricket is 1993, seeing Malcolm Marshall bowl, odd what you can remember a three year old! By the way, my userpage has several teams not covered by Bobo's lists, so there's a few interesting early ones on there I do believe! Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 11:07, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! I'll crack on with 1772-1800 a little later. I'm also going to create categories for Brighton, Epsom, Hornchurch, the various Kent teams, ect. Howzat?Out!Out!Out! (talk) 12:54, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP Philately in the Signpost

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Thank you for the invitation but I must decline as I have not been an active member of the philately project for several years. I remain very interested in the subject and still collect stamps but my time on WP is almost entirely taken up by cricket. I could not rightly claim to have helped the philately project's development and I don't think my inputs in the early years amounted to anything significant. I wish the project well, of course, especially User:Ww2censor who has been both its mainstay and easily its best contributor; and I look forward to reading the Signpost article. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 15:14, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. Take care. –Mabeenot (talk) 15:16, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Good point! To point. :-) Have amended link. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 11:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Both now corrected. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 14:14, 23 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The Encyclopaedia of Postal Authorities

I understand that you were the author of this useful site. It appears to be dead. Is this a permanent thing?

BTW there is an archived version here: http://web.archive.org/web/20121102091100/http://www.jl.sl.btinternet.co.uk/stampsite/home.html

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Thanks for fixing these links, but I am unclear why AskPhil has been added as well as it did not previously appear in the list of sources. What aspect of these articles does it support? Philafrenzy (talk) 23:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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All amended. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 12:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ask Phil

Are you adding this to every philatelic article, regardless of whether it was a source or not? Please stop now if you are. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the page seem to be called The Encyclopaedia of Postal Authorities not Postal History so if you are just copying and pasting could you use that name to prevent others needing to change it? Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Both done. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 12:10, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Please forgive my lateness in seeing your message on WT:CRIC. I've responded in a new thread at the bottom of the page. Hope you're doing okay. Bobo . 20:42, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I'll take another look. Thanks for the heads-up. Hope you're doing okay. :) Bobo . 13:37, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not so bad, thanks. Hope you're all right too, Bobo. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 12:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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List of British post offices abroad

I removed the list in the main GB article as it appeared to duplicate the other listing. Hope you don't mind. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:51, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 19:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Reached another landmark

In putting together my 1854 season redlinks, I've finally reached my first Test cricketer! I was wondering when that would happen. You can probably guess which one without even looking... bizarrely enough, he was the very last debutante of the 1854 English season!

Hope you've been enjoying today's cricketing action! Bobo . 20:15, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable humour at WT:CRICKET

I try to assume good faith, but this strikes me as a poor attempt to use race as a source of humour that could give the wrong impression of the writer's belief set. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 01:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Race? Now that really is rubbish. Don't write to me again. ----Jack | ^{talk page} 19:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]