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Can you try to find and upload an image of the blizzard that affected the Northeast today? I think NASA/NOAA has a few of them IIRC. --MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 22:28, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I was able to find an image from NASA's Earth Observatory, however I couldn't find a time stamp for the image. File:The February 2017 United States blizzard 09-02-17.jpg --Undescribed (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Off-Season SPAC

Hi Undescribed, Thanks for running around and putting links to Off-season SPAC in the main articles. It would be great if you could chuck some links in to the table itself please - pointing people to where they can get more information on the systems. It might also be interesting to develop a template similar to the Off-season Atlantic or retired names one. Thanks.Jason Rees (talk) 16:02, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome! I will definitely do my best to add links to the different systems in the table. I was also considering creating a template similar to the Off-season Atlantic hurricanes one, as well as one for Off-season East Pacific hurricanes. --Undescribed (talk) 16:09, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits linking the systems back to their various sections and as a result of your edits I feel like I am getting to the stage where it is very nearly completed bar the odd system that we find. Anyway its worth noting that I am just including systems that existed within the South Pacific to the east of 160E for at least a point or two. As a result, the system that you just added in 1921 doesn't count for SPAC as it was never east of 160E, but I have added it to a list that I am compiling for the Australian region which is where it belongs.Jason Rees (talk) 19:02, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Okay, that's reasonable. Do you think that it would be better to eventually merge the off-season storms in the SPAC and AUS regions into one article, with a title such as List of off-season Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclones? Or better to keep them in their respective articles? Undescribed (talk) 19:35, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

EDIT: I am also working on a template article for the off-season SPAC storms. Right now I have it saved on a Word document, but I suppose I could turn it into a sandbox page if you are interested in contributing to it? It looks like a pretty big project. Undescribed (talk) 19:38, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Originally I wanted the 3 basin lists all together as i didn't think that there would be as many TC's as there are. As for the template jus save it in mainspace and i can play with it from there.Jason Rees (talk) 20:21, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Ah, okay, now that you mention it, there do seem to be a lot of systems in just the SPAC article alone. You can also access the template page here. Undescribed (talk) 01:39, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I decided to publish [List of off-season Australian region tropical cyclones Aus list] and do it live - so if you fancy helping with it feel free. :) Jason Rees (talk) 20:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Excellent! Thank you for informing me. In that case, should I also start another template for the AUS region as well, or focus on the main page for now? Undescribed (talk) 22:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Not a problem and I would say lets focus on getting the systems into the main article, as i know i haven't got a majority of them yet before working on a template.Jason Rees (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Sounds good! In addition, there is an unrelated matter that I was wondering if you could provide me with some insight to. I noticed that in the past you have made some contributions to List of unnamed tropical cyclones. Recently I have been searching for storms to add to the WPAC section of the article. I noticed that the section states that due to differences in wind speed criteria between the JMA and the JTWC, a system will sometimes be considered a tropical storm by the JTWC but only a depression by the JMA, and therefore these storms are not listed because only the JMA is responsible for naming. Despite this however, I have found quite a few "unnamed" storms with the opposite feature; they are considered a tropical storm by the JMA but not the JTWC. For example, this one: 1985 Pacific typhoon season#Tropical Storm 04W. Do you think that these storms should be included on this list? Undescribed (talk) 02:40, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

No they shouldnt be listed as the list is designed to catch those systems that the naming agencies decide to leave unnamed for whatever reason despite it being a TS. In most cases the reason will be that post storm analysis determimed that the system was a TS, but there are a few out there that arent. The other reason to leave those systems out is that the JMA only became the WPAC naming agency in 2000.Jason Rees (talk) 06:02, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Okay, that makes sense. However, I do have a questions in regards to this edit you made. I was wondering why you removed the 2001 system? It occurred after 2000, so shouldn't the JMA have named it? Undescribed (talk) 15:44, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Where's your evidence that the naming agency in question (ie the JMA) considered it a tropical storm? I can only see evidence there for the JTWC calling it a tropical storm.Jason Rees (talk) 15:47, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Now that you mention it, I do see that also. Undescribed (talk) 00:15, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

The visa-versa also applies ie: If the JMA says something was a TS pre 2000, but the JTWC didnt think it was then we can not list it.Jason Rees (talk) 00:41, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: I agree, and that also means that there are several more systems that I need to go through to check and see if there was agreement between multiple agencies. Also, do you know what the policy is for older CMA systems that were unnamed? In other words, does there have to be consensus between all three agencies, JTWC, JMA and CMA? Undescribed (talk) 02:27, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Your not looking for agreement between multiple agencies for the years before 2000 in the WPAC, you are just looking for the JTWC to say that a system was a tropical storm in post storm analysis and to have left it unnamed. No one else counts - Not the JMA, CMA, KMA, HKO, UKMO or NOAA.Jason Rees (talk) 13:16, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey, im away for the next couple of days at a music festival, so I will thank you in advance for whatever work you do on the list. However, do remember that BoM anaylsis overrules the JTWC which as a result means Anggrekk is downgraded to a tropical low.Jason Rees (talk) 20:43, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

BTW there is no reason to have the systems split to and before 1990 - it was just a split point which i could use to ensure that all of the systems that needed to be in were.Jason Rees (talk) 21:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Noted and adjusted accordingly. Undescribed (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Hey, in regards to your post about the JTWC being the organization that named storms prior to 2000, I recently made a post on the Tropical Cyclone Project talk page in regards to this matter:

Recently I've noticed that in regards to the WPAC, all typhoon seasons prior to 2000 seem to use the JMA as the official source for classification. Despite this however, the JTWC was the agency that named storms prior to 2000, so why is it that the JMA is used as the "official agency" even prior to 2000? --Undescribed (talk) 13:40, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

The JTWC was the first agency to name systems in the WPAC and issue regular storm warnings. That is true, however the warnings were almost always for personnel of United States armed forces or territories. Because of this most places in the WPAC had their own weather bureau to monitor tropical cyclones until 1988 when the JMA officially was selected to monitor typhoons. Since the JMA is the RSMC of Asia, the information issued by them is official. And also since the JMA released a best track of storms going back to 1951 that too is official. Though it is rather incomplete and doesn't encompass as many years as the JTWC best tracks so we use both in the article despite the JTWC not being official. Plus the JTWC info is more english friendly since it uses the same scales and sample techniques as the NHC uses. I don't know why the JMA continued to use american names until 2000 however. Maybe they hadn't gotten a list together until then. Supportstorm (talk) 15:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Is it true that the JTWC was not responsible for naming storms between 1988 and 1999? Or am I interpreting this information wrong and it was simply that during this time period, the JTWC was still responsible for naming, but the JMA was responsible for official monitoring and records? Sorry to keep harping on this matter but I just want to make sure that I am one-hundred percent familiar with policies. Undescribed (talk) 17:21, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

It is true that the JMA was responsible for the official monitoring from 1988 if not earlier, but the JTWC named storms until 2000 for reasons im not sure on.Jason Rees (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

List of natural disasters by death toll

Good edits on this page. Appreciated your adds and revisions. Ckruschke (talk) 17:30, 28 July 2017 (UTC)Ckruschke

WPac systems

For you edits you did during May 26 of this year like in the articles of the 1992 Pacific typhoon season and 1993 Pacific typhoon season, I have reverted them. JMA counts because they are the RSMC. So Deana and Jack were a TD, sorry. Typhoon2013 (talk) 05:39, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

November 2010 nor'easter

Hi, I was going to have a word with the editor that had nominated an article for deletion without notifying the article's creator, but now I see that you had created it yourself.

As there have been only slight & technical contributions from other editors, IMHO it would be OK to tag this with {{db-author}} if you wanted to delete it more quickly. Of course, it's fine to let the proposed deletion take its course over 7 days. – Fayenatic London 13:24, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I just figured that it was a relatively uncontroversial proposed deletion, especially since there is virtually no online coverage of the event. I did not realize this at the time that I initially created the article.--Undescribed (talk) 15:09, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

2017 Sierra Leone mudslides

Thank you for updating the casualty figures over the last few days. Just a heads up: I used the CNN source because of its reference to the UK's aid. I am just letting you know in advance so you can properly adjust the source when/if you replace it for another update. Thanks again!TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:30, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Duration

I changed Irma's category 5 duration based on This National Hurricane Center report. FYI 24.17.207.180 (talk) 23:09, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Re:Intense EPAC hurricanes

Great question. The 2011 TFD I was referring to is basically why putting a rank on a template crosses the WP:OR line. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 15:30, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Stellar editing on List of natural disasters by death toll!

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Thank you Ckruschke!--Undescribed (talk) 21:15, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

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Ockhi

FYI the IMD have stated that Ockhi did not come from the WPAC.Jason Rees (talk) 03:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC) Jason Rees (talk) 03:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, this is true. Henceforth, I've reverted that edit. --Undescribed (talk) 13:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

February 2018

Hello, I'm Toddst1. I noticed that you made a change to an article, August 25, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. The statistics you added to that DOY page conflict with those in the article about the hurricane. Toddst1 (talk) 15:20, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm very sorry that you've been templated by this user. You've been around here almost as long as he has, so you've certainly earned the right to be spoken to politely and personally rather than via a patronising template. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:35, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Infobox in Hurricane Harvey says "Fatalities 69 direct, 39 indirect". Your unsourced unsourced edit to September 10 contradicts that saying 146 fatalities. Please fix this contradiction since you've proceeded to edit war on it.

Beyond that, you're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide. Toddst1 (talk) 15:58, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

For Harvey on August 25th, 69+39 = 108. For Irma on September 10, 66+80 = 146. Besides this, I don't see why WP:V is only applicable to additions, but not old entries. Why should old entries remain unsourced, but new entries require a source? Also, as stated by User:The Rambling Man, the patronizing isn't appreciated as I have earned my right to be spoken to politely. Cheers Undescribed (talk) 16:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I agree that it's completely hypocritical to start removing items and templating experienced editors while leaving every single other entry in every single article unreferenced, and simply add empty References sections. No use, no help, not beneficial to our readers, and damaging to our editors. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:26, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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Terrorism in the United States

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Mass shootings in the United States

In your reversion of my edit [1],you said "There's nothing wrong with ranking."

I agree. Nothing wrong at all. If you have a reliable source for it.

This has already been discussed at length on the talk page, with no one even suggesting they have a reliable source.

Please self-revert. Thanks. Cinteotl (talk) 10:33, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

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Retired names

Hi Undescribed, How can 2017 be tied for a record breaking amount of names retired? After all 2005 came before 2017. As a result, I propose leaving it as was otherwise it gets a bit too trivial for my liking. I would personally query the so called record that 2005 holds, as I would not be surprised to find that there have been more in the PTS or SPAC.Jason Rees (talk) 07:41, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah I did a bit of digging - the 1997-98 SPAC holds the record for the most amount of TC names retired, with 1997-98 having 7 names retired.Jason Rees (talk) 14:29, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Hello Jason, so I'm assuming that you're referring to this excerpt from the 1955 Atlantic hurricane season: A record number of names – four – were retired following the season, which was later tied by the 1995, 2004, and 2017 seasons, trailing only the 2005 season, when five names were retired.

In retrospect it does look a little bit too vague for my liking as well. I was referring to the most names retired just in the Atlantic, but you're right that 1995-96 AUS and 1997-98 SPAC jointly hold that record, with 7 names retired. I did mention that 2005 was in the lead, however perhaps I should've been more specific. What would you propose that it should say? Undescribed (talk) 16:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Indeed I was referring to that excerpt and I would strongly suggest that we get rid of it, now that we know that its only a basin record as i feel it's trivial to note. I also note that most of the stories about retired names didn't mention it which just adds to my thinking, however, I am going to launch a review of the naming sections across the world on WPTC/T at some point shortly.Jason Rees (talk) 19:22, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: That review sounds like a really good idea because as you mentioned, there really aren't any sources available which state the record for the second-largest number of storm names retired in a single season. The one notable exception might be the basin record for the 2005 season, which I've seen mentioned several times before. --Undescribed (talk) 01:32, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah I will try and knock something up over the next few days and its all come about because of the debate on Talk:2011 Atlantic hurricane season over should we tell the reader that Irma was retired in 2017.Jason Rees (talk) 01:45, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Season effects & References

It is important to keep the references in the Season effects charts, so that we can easily verify the death/damage totals without having to wade through the sections. As a result i firmly oppose removing them from the charts especially since i think Jasper made parameters for then earlier in the year.Jason Rees (talk) 03:19, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

That is understandable but I just thought that it was anomalous since only the 1980 and 1992 season had that setup. Why don't any other seasons have the references in the table? --Undescribed (talk) 03:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: So I went ahead and added the sources back into the 1980 and 1992 seasons. I'm pretty sure that those were the only ones that I removed since those were the only season tables where the sources were listed next the the damage/death figures. --Undescribed (talk) 04:34, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

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@Jetstreamer: I have kindly revised the source on this article. --Undescribed (talk) 02:43, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

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@Jetstreamer: I am well aware WP:BURDEN and WP:VERIFY. Your claim that the content which I had added was unsourced is completely false, and I supplemented the ASN source with an additional source after you brought to my attention the fact that the ASN source hadnt yet added the fatality count or rank. I have been using Wikipedia for long enough now that I deserve the same respect as any other experienced Wikipedian, and I don't appeciate the patronizing tone that you have given me. Thank You. Undescribed (talk) 17:21, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Cyclone Mekunu

Pls create a new page on Cyclonic Storm Mekunu Alaha.cyclone (talk) 16:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Alaha.cyclone: I would gladly do so, however "Cyclone Mekunu" is currently a redirect to the 2018 NIO page. Only administrators have the ability to override this redirect. Do you know of any? I agree 100% that it deserves its own page. --Undescribed (talk) 03:14, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

@Alaha.cyclone: EDIT: There is actually a discussion right now regarding this on Talk:2018 North Indian Ocean cyclone season if you are interested. --Undescribed (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hurricane Lane Damages

May I ask where the 82 million in damages came from? Figfires^{Send me a message!} 21:23, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Figfires: This is the source that I had added [2]. It is $80 million, in addition to the $2-2.5 million in damages in Maui. --Undescribed (talk) 21:28, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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"strongest" storm

For what reason is "strongest" based on pressure, not wind? For example in 2002, Hurricane Lili was a Category 4 while Isidore was a strong Cat 3; Isidore was the strongest of that year, although Lili had higher winds. Also, Hurricane Irma and Hurricane Maria were both Category 5, though Maria was actually the stronger storm. But Irma had winds five miles per hour higher than Maria. Angela Maureen (talk) 18:49, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@September 1988: Thats a great question. Although "most intense" and "strongest" are oftentimes erroneously used interchangeably, there is a distinct difference between the two terms. Therefore, referring to Michael as "the most intense hurricane to hit the United States since Hurricane Andrew in 1992" is technically incorrect since Michael had a lower pressure at landfall than Andrew (919 vs 922), however at the same time, Andrew had a higher windspeed than Michael (165 vs 155). So in essence, Michael was "more intense" but not "stronger" than Andrew. --Undescribed (talk) 21:53, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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Camp Fire (2018)

In this edit, which I reverted, you used a Wikipedia article as the source for the claim that the fire is the fifth-deadliest. Please be aware that Wikipedia articles must not be used as sources. Please see WP:RSPRIMARY. Akld guy (talk) 11:13, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Akld guy: This is not a Wikipedia source: [3]Undescribed (talk) 18:54, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I know it's not. That source is not the problem. Let me try to explain once again what you're doing wrong. You're creating a Wikilink to List of natural disasters by death toll#Deadliest wildfires / bushfires. Right, no problem there, but where you're going wrong is piping "fifth-deadliest" to it, which turns the Wikilink into a source for the claim of fifth-deadliest. You're using the List of natural disasters by death toll article as the source for the claim of fifth-deadliest.

Any reader who clicks on the blue link fifth-deadliest would expect to be taken to a reliable source that backs up the claim, but is instead taken to that Wikipedia article. Using a Wikipedia article as a source is not permitted. That is why I reworded the sentence. I hope you can see what I'm driving at. This is fundamental Wikipedia policy, and I can only assume you're not experienced enough to know it, hence the long explanation. Akld guy (talk) 20:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I've actually been a part of the Wikipedia community for nine years now and I am well aware of various Wiki policies, but that is besides the point. I do see what you are saying, but I have never heard of this before. I provided a source for the claim of it being the fifth-deadliest, and yes, I did provide a hyperlink for this claim. But since I also provided a reference for this claim at the end of the sentence, I still dont understand why a reader would expect the blue hyperlink to redirect them to a reference for the claim? It's fine with me if you want to word the statement differently, but I dont think that it has to be removed entirely. Undescribed (talk) 22:36, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm butting my head up against a brick wall. For the second time, if a reader clicks the blue link "fifth-deadliest", he should be taken to a source that proves it. A Wikipedia article is not a source, in any way shape or form. Got it? Akld guy (talk) 23:29, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for explaining. Cheers Undescribed (talk) 01:30, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

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Article of the month, by Jason Rees

History of tropical cyclone naming - The practice of using names to identify tropical cyclones goes back several centuries, with storms named after places, saints or things they hit before the formal start of naming in each basin. The credit for the first usage of personal names for weather systems is given to the Queensland Government Meteorologist Clement Wragge, who named tropical cyclones and anticyclones between 1887 and 1907. This system of naming fell into disuse for several years after Wragge retired, until it was revived in the latter part of World War II for the Western Pacific basin. Over the following decades, various naming schemes have been introduced for the world's oceans, including for parts of the Atlantic, Pacific and the Indian Ocean. The majority of these lists are compiled by the World Meteorological Organization's tropical cyclone committee for the region and include names from different cultures as well as languages. Over the years there has been controversy over the names used at various times, with names being dropped for religious and political reasons. For example, female names were exclusively used in the basins at various times between 1945 - 2000 and were the subject of several protests. The names of significant tropical cyclones in the North Atlantic Ocean, Pacific Ocean and Australian region are retired from the naming lists and replaced with another name, at meetings of the various tropical cyclone committees.

Storm of the month and other tropical activity

Cyclone Fani was an extremely severe cyclonic storm that made landfall in Odisha, India on May 3. The storm achieved peak intensity as a near Category 5-equivalent cyclone with 3-minute sustained winds of 215 km/h (130 mph), 1-minute sustained winds of 250 km/h (155 mph), and a minimum central pressure of 937 hPa (mbar). Fani caused over $1.8 billion (2019 USD) in damage in India and Bangladesh and killed at least 89 people.

Since the last newsletter, twelve systems have formed.

Southwest Indian Ocean
In the Southwest Indian Ocean, Cyclone Kenneth made landfall in Mozambique approximately 1 month after Cyclone Idai, causing widespread flooding and destruction. Overall, Kenneth killed at least 52 people and caused more than $100 million in damage. Additionally, Tropical Cyclone Lorna formed over the eastern portion of the basin in late April and dissipated in early May without affecting land.
Australian Region
In the Australian Region, cyclones Lili and Ann formed in early May and both affected land. No deaths were reported, although Lili caused moderate damage in the Maluku Islands and East Timor.
South Pacific
In the South Pacific, a tropical depression formed in mid-may, but failed to intensify and dissipated a few days later.
South Atlantic
In the South Atlantic, Subtropical Storm Jaguar formed in late May and lasted for approximately two days before becoming extratropical.
Western Pacific
In the Western Pacific, three weak tropical depressions existed during the first half of May.
North Atlantic
In the North Atlantic, Subtropical Storm Andrea formed on the same day as Jaguar, but failed to intensify and dissipated on the next day.

The Eastern Pacific hurricane season began on May 15.
The Atlantic hurricane season will begin at 2:00 AM EDT on June 1.
The Central Pacific hurricane season will begin sometime after 12:00 AM HST on June 1.

Recent storms of the month
Edition	Storm
36	Cyclone Idai
35	Typhoon Wutip (2019)

New WikiProject Members since the last newsletter in April 2019

More information can be found here. This list lists members who have joined/rejoined the WikiProject since the release of the last issue in April 2019. Sorted chronologically. Struckout users denote users who have left or have been banned.

Super Typhoon Eden (talk · contribs)
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To our new members: welcome to the project, and happy editing! Feel free to check the to-do list at the bottom right of the newsletter for things that you might want to work on. To our veteran members: thank you for your edits and your tireless contributions!

Editorial for welcoming new users, by Hurricanehink

Every year, editors new and old help maintain the new season of season articles. The older users are likely used to the standards of the project, such as how to Wikilink and reference properly. Newer users might make mistakes, and they might make them over and over again if they don't know better. If anyone (who happens to read this) comes across a new user, please don't bite, because with enough pushback, they'll decide that this group of editors is too mean, and unfun. This is all a volunteer project; no one can force anyone to do anything. We're all on here because of our love of knowledge and tropical cyclones. If you find someone new, consider using the official WPTC welcome template - Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Welcome.

I also encourage that if you know any tropical cyclone researchers, please speak up and try recruiting them to edit. Veteran editors can't keep editing forever. Life gets busy, and the real world beckons!

Member of the month (edition) – Yellow Evan

Yellow Evan has been involved with WPTC since 2008. Since the last newsletter, Yellow Evan has taken 5 typhoon articles to good article status as well as created 2 more. Overall, he has created and/or significantly contributed to more than 130 good articles. Your work in the Western Pacific Basin is invaluable... Thank you for your contributions!

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Caught by a colocation web host block but this host or IP is not a web host. My IP address is 8.46.116.98. Undescribed (talk) 19:38, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for this. What is the source for the colours? --Markus (talk) 10:20, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

@Markus: You're welcome! The colours are based off of the same general colour scheme as the International Nuclear Events Scale article, with the brighter hues ie. Orange, Red, Magenta being associated with increasing hazard for hydrocrafters. Undescribed (talk) 16:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

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Sorry about my mistake! I didn't see the 18 system limit! In addition, Hurricane Rick is pretty recent and therfore shouldn't we remove the more older ones like Hurricane Alice (1954) or so? Layah50♪ 2:20 June 1, 2022 (UTC)

@Layah50: Generally we try to put a couple of storms from each decade. Kind of spread them out so to speak. --Undescribed (talk) 06:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

I see, thank you! Layah50 (talk) 11:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

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Hi can you please give a source that all the missing are accounted for? Thank you F (talk) 22:42, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a specific reference that states that all are accounted for, but further down in the article it states that the well-being of the missing persons is not being questioned, meaning that they would not be added to the fatality count. So there is no reason for it to be listed in the infobox section imo. Undescribed (talk) 22:53, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

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Please see the source here with the statement from DODMA [4]. The English is much better here and not easily confused. Noah^Talk 00:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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List of off-season South-West Indian Ocean tropical cyclones

You need to tread very very carefully with this article as according to the tropical cyclone operational plan for the region, the World Meteorological Organization currently defines the tropical cyclone season for the SWIO, as running between July 1 and June 30 of the following year for the SWIO. In other words there is no tropical cyclone season for the SWIO, however, it is worth noting that some members such as Mauritus have defined a shorter specific season for their domestic needs. This is also why I have never published this sandbox despite wanting too so many times.Jason Rees (talk) 20:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

So why does the article for the 2022–23 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone say "officially began on 15 November 2022, and ended on 30 April 2023, with the exception for Mauritius and the Seychelles, for which it ended on 15 May 2023."? Very confusing...so delete the article? Undescribed (talk) 22:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I do not know why the article says that the season started on November 15, but if I had to guess Meteo France Reunion considers the season to start on November 15 and ends on April 30th but others like the South Africa Weather Servivce don't. In order to be fair here, I am going to send an email to MFR and check, as it could be that the plan is completely outdated and that the season now starts on November 15.Jason Rees (talk) 23:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I had no idea that the SWIO season went year round. I thought it was just the WPAC that did that since it is the most favorable basin for TCG worldwide. I would never have created such a long detailed article if I knew that. Wouldnt we go by whatever La Reunion says since its the basins RSMC? Undescribed (talk) 04:17, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Every season is technically year round even when there are listed start and end dates. IIRC NHEM seasons are Jan 1–Dec 31 and SHEM seasons are Jul 1–Jun 30. Noah^Talk 15:50, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Right Undescribed (talk) 16:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Apologies for the late response - its been a mad day, but I have emailed RSMC La Reunion asking for clarification. I would personaly presume that we would use the WMO RA I TCC over RSMC La Reunion, since the latter operates as an RSMC on behalf of the former, like NHC operates on behalf of the hurricane committee, JMA on behalf of the typhoon committee etc. I also took a brief look at earlier copies of the Tropical Cyclone Operational Plan for the SWIO in case it helps and found out the following:

TCOP Edition	Season Start	Season End
1983	November 15	April 15
2006	November 1	April 30
2008	November 1	April 30
2010	November 1	April 30
2012	July 1	June 30
2016	July 1	June 30
2021	July 1	June 30

Jason Rees (talk) 01:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Very interesting how many times they have changed the dates of the official season. They have yet the change the Atlantic hurricane season dates even once. So should the off season list include storms prior to 2012 only? Or should the article just be deleted entirely? Undescribed (talk) 05:47, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I would have to look it up but I believe that the dates of the Atlantic hurricane season have changed before now as it used to start on June 15 or something. Anyway, my gut is telling me to keep the list for now and wait until Meteo France come back to me about the season dates - you never know what might happen :) Jason Rees (talk) 12:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh wow I didnt kmow that either. I know there was talk about changing the official start of the ATL season to May 15 because of all the pre-season storms lately but I didnt know about the June 15th part. I didnt know that you had a sandbox on this article either, although I noticed that you created the AUS and SPAC basin lists for off season, and was rather perplexed that you didnt publish one for the SWIO but now I know why. I also noticed that you have quite a few storms on your list that arent on the published list. Maybe something to incorporate? Undescribed (talk) 13:34, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry again for the late response, blame real life. :) Anyway I am happy for you to incorporate the systems from my sandbox in to your list or if i get some time/motivation I will. :) Jason Rees (talk) 19:45, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh trust me I completely understand. Back when I started editing wiki in 2009 I was just a kid and had all the time in the world. Now that I'm pushing 30 I find myself on here much less. At the moment I happen to have slightly more time, which is why I was able to make this article. But my primary concern with making any more changes right now is if we end up having to delete this article altogether, depending on what Meteo France tells you. Whats the point of doing anything right now until we know for sure if there even is a season in the SWIO? The WPAC and NIO are the only offical basins that I know of that have no defined season. Undescribed (talk) 19:54, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Damage

The link for the Storm Daniel damage isn't working just an FYI. Noah, AA^Talk 16:41, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh shit, it looks like they just removed it. What the hell? Now I can't find any other sources with those same figures. Damn --Undescribed (talk) 17:00, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Talk page comment removed

Hey, I just wanted to explain why I removed your comment from Talk:October 2023 Gaza−Israel conflict. Article talk pages are solely for discussion about edits to the article at hand, and therefore Wikipedia is not a forum for general discussion. The particular phrase you mentioned, "deadliest terrorist attack," does not seem to appear in the article. Normally I wouldn't have removed that comment, but the article talk page is already inundated with edit requests. If I misunderstood the purpose of your comment, you can add it again and specify what you would like changed in the article. Sorry for using the blunt instrument of removing your comment ... it's just a very busy talk page! --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 01:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

My edit appears to have been reverted, in any case. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 01:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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I didnt see the full edit logs so I appreciate you reverting the edit Insendieum (talk) 02:42, 13 November 2023 (UTC)