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Question About Over Aggressive Deleter

Hey guys, thanks for your help. Myself and a few other supporters of Kyle McMahon took great care in creating his article. We began by using the Wikipedia Live Help to see if it was even possible to do. We used the editors at Live Help to help us create the article before we submitted. Throughout the whole process, we went to the editors at Live Help to make sure we were doing everything correctly. The article was approved by 2 editors recently and published. The article was then marked for deletion by a user who claims that the subject has no releases and is a "back up dancer only". None of that is true, so it seems that the deleter has not even read the article. Subject has 2 national / international releases, one with Tina Turner. Subject has been on Oprah 4 times in the last 3 months, trended on Twitter, has gotten airplay on MTV within the last 3 months, was MTV's Rock The Vote artist for Delaware, was featured in a documentary on ESPN for managing a golf Pro at the US Open and has started a campaign against fatherlessness with two other public figures (who also have their own wikipedia articles). We took great care in sourcing everything (over 35 sources) and again, used the editors at LiveHelp to make sure we were doing everything right and subject was good to publish. Is there anything that can be done about this? Thanks for your help guys! FeerTheDeer FeerTheDeer (talk) 15:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear FeerTheDeer: The best way to keep the article from being deleted is to point out articles in which independent journalists or authors have written about the subject in published books, magazines, news reports, etc. In your defense of the article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyle McMahon, you should add links to the references that back up the notable activities that you mention. For example, if he was on a TV show, you can't use the show for a reference; you have to find an article written about the show by an author that is not connected with him or the show. Also, the person who nominated the article won't make the decision to delete it; an administrator will decide, based on a consensus among various editors who comment. Leaving a notice to let people know about the discussion is a good idea, as long as you realize that they may not all agree with your position. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:58, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much (talk) You're amazing! FeerTheDeer (talk) 18:04, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Photos or videos.

As you may understand already I am new to all this. So the question is how can I import photos or videos in the article

Thank you Tirooriroo (talk) 12:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Tirooriroo. This is one of the tricky areas, for two reasons. First, it is a two stage process: the media must first be uploaded either to Wikipedia or (preferably) to Wikimedia Commons, and then can be wikilinked in an article. But the point that often gives problems is that Wikipedia is very very strict about copyright. To cut a long story short, most pictures and videos are copyright and may only be used if the copyright owner explicitly releases them under an appropriate license ('permission to use on Wikipedia' is not enough). There are certain circumstances in which copyright images may be used without permission, but they are very restricted. So if you or somebody you know owns the copyright and is willing to licence them, then go ahead and upload them; but for most images found on the internet you may not. See WP:IMAGES for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 13:58, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

If you publish an article can you later update, correct or revise text?Tirooriroo (talk) 12:01, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes absolutely. You just do it in the same way that you've been editing the page in your user space. Valenciano (talk) 12:04, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

How do you create multipe sandboxes?

Hi,

I'm trying to create and submit three articles: one about a politician/campaigning journalist, and two about commercial organisations he has been involved with.

Can I create multiple sandboxes to develop these, and if so, how?

Thanks

Christopher Sean Webb (talk) 09:51, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Christopher. Yes, you can create multiple drafts. Use names such as User:Christopher Sean Webb/article title, putting the relevant title in place of article title. Before you submit them for review, make sure you read WP:1st, and WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks David - I've looked through articles you recommended but they don't seem to answer the 'how' part of my question. Any ideas on where I can find that?

Christopher Sean Webb (talk) 10:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Click the red link above & change the article title to what you want, or otherwise put User:Christopher Sean Webb/article title into the search box, change the title, & go from there where it should give you a "Start the User:Christopher Sean Webb/article title page" option. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:33, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse Christopher Sean Webb! I've been working on a template that makes creating multiple drafts in your userspace a cinch. I've taken the liberty of adding my userbox to your User:Christopher Sean Webb/sandbox page. All you need to do is type in the name of a draft that you want to create and click the button. A new page will load up for you all named and ready to go with the {{Userspace draft}} template and some other basic instructions and you can start creating. The nice thing about my template is that every time you go back to User:Christopher Sean Webb/sandbox, there will be a nice neat list of all of the sandboxes you have been creating which makes it super easy to find them all. :) Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 12:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Renaming an article

Hi, I want to expand a biography-stub on a 19th c. actor called Frederick Robson. At present the article is wrongly named though (a mix of Robson's stage name, real name and a small typo.) How do I best correct this?RLamb (talk) 06:08, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Check out WP:MOVE. It explains how to move a page to a new name. RudolfRed (talk) 06:41, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I've moved it but not yet completed clean-up. I will come back to this as soon as I can.RLamb (talk) 07:44, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

How do I remove the citations and verification disclaimer?

Hi!

On my biography page there's a disclaimer from 2010 that reads as follows:

! This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful. (March 2010)

Very recently I added numerous citations for verification -- one for each statement of fact -- so can the disclaimer now be removed? If so it would be much appreciated. Here is the link to the page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hornaday

Thank you in advance for your help!Jdh3777 (talk) 02:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you have added tons of sources. Only problem is that many are not reliable sources (especially IMdB), and the ones that are are not independent of the subject. The #1 citation is the only one that shows notability. I would not remove the tag, as the article still needs help. Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:44, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Jeffrey. As the subject of the article, you have a conflict of interest, and so should not be editing the article directly at all, except to remove any information which is both wrong and unreferenced. Your best course is to find sources that have written about you which are both reliable and independent of you (i.e. not your agents, promoters, employers) and add a section on the article's talk page explaining anything you think should be changed, and giving the references to the sources. --ColinFine (talk) 10:20, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Article hasn't been edited yet...been weeks

Hi, I submitted an article using The Article Wizard to be edited, and that was weeks ago. I don't know where it is in the editing process at all. I talked to someone online last week about this, and the said it was being edited as we were speaking. This is very frustrating, no one seems to know where the page is and this has taken weeks.

Mtully95 (talk) 18:00, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

This is what was said on the question I asked that was archived:

Hi, I keep trying to create an article for this mail client that I use--Inky Mail. Everytime I create the article it gets deleted right away and is said to be too promotional. In my opinion it doesn't sound promotional--it sounds just like all the other articles. I would like to send my article to someone and have them edit it--is that possible? Because I'm not getting direct answers from the people that keep blocking me and deleting my articles. Mtully95 (talk) 15:05, 1 August 2013 (UTC) Mtully, welcome to the Teahouse. it wasn't written in a neutral tone, that's the essence of the problem. You can't use terms like "is known for its unique smart views and relevance sorting" and "has been embraced by the press". The first response to these types of claims is "says who?" Ok so there was a reference to Forbes that sort of supported the second claim but it's not enough, there need to be far more references and the language needs to be toned down. What is needed are more reliable sources that comment upon the software. NtheP (talk) 15:54, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your response! Inky has been written about by notable magazines---am I supposed to include every article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtully95 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
You can include as many as you feel necessary to establish that it's a notable product and if you're going to try and justify flowery language (and to be frank I wouldn't bother) you'll need several for every claim. You also need to make sure it's balanced so if there is criticism you need to include that too, not just the good stuff. So if several reviews have said it's relevance sorting is great but a number of others have said the rest of the UI is pants, you must be even handed and included both. NtheP (talk) 16:15, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Okay great--thanks! I submitted my article for review, but when I go to my profile it says that I've submitted nothing. Is there a way for someone to check and see if what I submitted was received? I know it won't be edited for a while though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtully95 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Inky Mail was declined, because you submitted it without including any content. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

You should only submit the article once it is actually done :) -- t numbermaniac c 06:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)"

I am so confused at this point because I submitted it with all of the content. I submitted it with everything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtully95 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mtully, assuming this is the article in question, the problem is you haven't yet submitted it for review. Until you do that, it is unlikely others will work on it. When you are ready for it to be published (which is up to you - make sure you have addressed all the feedback), click the green button that says submit for review, and it will be reviewed. Sorry for your frustration; hope this helps. Go Phightins! 18:07, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

That said, reading the article, make sure you write it from a non-promotional, neutral point of view. It sounds to me like an advertisement of sorts. Write about it using a tone that borders on boring - the article should be informational not promotional. Go Phightins! 18:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Another obvious problem with the article is that the quotes are external links. An article like this should have only one external link, at the very end of the article, to the software's official website. The quotes should be cited to the sources, and those references can link to the source. Please read Referencing for beginners for an explanation of the proper techniques for formatting these references. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I failed the article because it again sounds too promotional. Also, articles should never be written in second person. More notes on the actual page. -- ^t numbermaniac^c 03:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Category pages

I'm trying to create the category pages for the Article importance grading scheme of the new WikiProject NCIS and have already created the Category:Top-importance NCIS articles. I'm having trouble figuring out how to attach the category to the talk pages of the appropriate articles, and none of the links seem to be working. Can someone please explain how this should be done? Thanks. --1ST7 (talk) 03:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Those should be added automatically by your {{WikiProject NCIS}} banner template. You will probably need to ask for someone at WT:COUNCIL to help you make the banner work correctly. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at AfC Lindsay Bell (August 8)

My submission at AfC Lindsay Bell (August 8) I was told this is in the queue for review but it seems to be taking a long time. Is there anyway to get some feedback and an ETA? Thank you.Norstat (talk) 02:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Norstat, welcome to the Teahouse. Right now, the oldest AfC submissions are 13 days old, and your submission is old 5 days old, so it may still be a while. Howicus (talk) 02:23, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Norstat. I took a look at your draft article about at politician who is a former city council member and mayoral candidate in Prescott, Arizona, a city with a population of less than 40,000 people. I believe that this person fails to meet our notability guideline for politicians. Even if the article makes it through the AfC process, I believe that it is at high risk for deletion. A better solution might be a neutral article about the Prescott mayoral race, describing all of the candidates in an even-handed way. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

No References Banner

I added sources for the Jonathan Greenblatt page, can I remove the banner at the top? If so, how? Aesco77 (talk) 02:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Aesco77, welcome to the Teahouse. Since the banner was for "does not cite any references", and you added references, feel free to remove the banner by deleting the top line that's in {{curly brackets}}. Howicus (talk) 02:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Wrong PageTitle

Hi I have really made a mess of starting with Wikipedia. Whilst researching Forest school, I found a wiki answer of forest schools which is a trade mark of a company and not the title of an ethos to which forest school is. I looked at previous editing and tried to reinstate one that clarified the difference between the two very different things. I had a message which I am not sure was implying I have an inappropriate interest or the original editor of the section (I don't but do have knowledge of the subject matter). The clarifing has been removed leaving a page title inadvertently advertising a company and not informing on the subject matter. I don’t want to seem dogmatic on just one subject, but it was something I felt I could confidently contribute to with some accuracy. The best outcome would be to re-title the page "forest school" this could then be adjusted to truely represent the subject area. The forest school association I also had problems with? It is an organisation which is likely to be key to the success of forest school from a grass root's movement. it is soon to be a charity and representing and protecting the forest school ethos. The page was taken down, yet trade union pages remain, I didn't understand this rule either. Treat me gently, I am feeling a little fragile now. I was hoping to do some good but have failed in my first attemps and obviously not grasping the rules at all. Wanakeepbees (talk) 00:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I cannot see any trace of this in your editing history, so it's hard to offer advice. What account were you using?—Kww(talk) 00:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes sorry I had different username which I was asked to change, Didn't mean to break that rule either. It was Whatthefeck. Wanakeepbees (talk) 01:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

When I look at Forest school, the article looks a bit lopsided towards the commmercial interest, but not overwhelmingly so. People seem to have interpreted your insertion of the trademark information as an attempt by the trademark holder to claim ownership over the articles, but, after a few changes, the information has been retained (it's towards the bottom of the page now). If you believe that it is still excessively lopsided towards the trademark holder, edits to correct that would be welcome.

As for your article on the Forest School Association, what it really needed was some references to independent sources (newspapers, magazines, or similar entitities) that show that the Forest School Association is considered important by third parties. If you can provide those, it stands a far better chance of being retained.—Kww(talk) 02:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Constructive review of User:FGuerino/Information technology industry?

Hi, I'm trying to work on content that will hopefully either become a totally new page "Information technology industry" or which will somehow be merged in with the existing page "Information technology". The page I'm working on is still a work in progress, as I have a list of things I still want to do before peer review, but I was hoping I could please impose on the community to kindly get some constructive feedback. The page is located at: User:FGuerino/Information technology industry. PS: It would be helpful if you leave any feedback/reviews on my talk page. Thanks for any help you can offer. --FGuerino (talk) 21:53, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I've done a copyedit of about half the draft. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:01, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fuhghettaboutit, I have to say there's a lot of great work in your edits. I'm pretty new to WP and I feel that there's a tremendous amount for me to learn, just by comparing all of the edits in your version against the previous version, including patterns in my editing that I can work on. I appreciate the help and especially the notes in your changes, where you took the time to explain things. Thanks for taking the time to help. I'll start to address some of your notes and try to apply the same types of corrections you made to the half you couldn't get to. My Very Best, --FGuerino (talk) 02:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

reference

I have tried to place many references on that page I've created, however I might be doing something wrong, and the references are not being accepted... how should i proceed? Vsdr92 (talk) 21:18, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Vsdr92! You needed to add the reflist instruction at the end of the article. Charlesdrakew added it for you - you can take a look at the text they used and use that yourself next time. 184.147.136.32 (talk) 21:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Vsdr and welcome. I have added a reflist template to your article so the references show. The more independent sources you can find the better. I suspect you are writing about yourself here so you have a conflict of interest and should read this linked page.--Charles (talk) 21:33, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I made a Huge accident.

I need help. I was editing the AC/DC album "Let There Be Rock", and I was adding singles to it. And when it was done, the singles weren't there so I kept trying. Then suddenly the whole infobox was gone, no cover, no extra cover. So can you ask someone to put all those things back because I don't know how to. Thanks. Bye.IGotProof (talk) 14:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Done, IGotProof. next time it happens, you just have to go to the History and undo the last change you made :) Happy editing! Miss Bono^[zootalk] 14:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Argh, that was almost certainly not your fault. WP:VisualEditor is having difficulty with a couple of the most complicated infoboxes, and sometimes it decides to just make them "disappear". I hope that this problem will be fixed later today, but if it happens to you again, then please let me know. I'll check back here, or you can leave a note at WP:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Looking for Users

A few months ago I found a link to a page where I could fine all users in wikipedia (e.g. I typed Miss and all the usernames with a Miss in there). I was wondering if anyone could tell me which link it is :) Miss Bono^[zootalk] 13:21, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Miss Bono. If you pick 'Special pages' from the sidebar, you'll find there are lots of pages of that sort listed. --ColinFine (talk) 13:24, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

ColinFine See how Wikipedia looks like for me File:No_Interface_Wikipedia.png. I have no special pages menu :( Please, delete the picture when you see it. Miss Bono^[zootalk] 13:42, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Special pages. - that's a lot of tabs :) --Onorem (talk) 13:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Miss Bono! The specific special page you're probably looking for is Special:ListUsers. Note that there's also Special:GlobalUsers, which isn't limited to this Wikimedia project. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:21, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

How do I control Image Size?

Hi, I've inserted an image into an article I'm working on, called User:FGuerino/Information technology industry, but the size is too large and I'd like to change its size attributes. How would I go about doing so and (more importantly) where can I find the WP page that describes how to work with and control images that we place in articles? -- My Best, --FGuerino (talk) 11:49, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi FGuerino, welcome to the Teahouse. See the guidelines for image syntax for some more details. To make it smaller you need to add the |thumb| parameter and then the pixel size so I changed yours to [[Image:IT Industry.png|thumb|150px|right|The Information Technology Industry]] to demonstrate. Cabe 6403^{(Talk•Sign)} 12:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Cabe6403thanks very much for taking the time to help. I appreciate, both, the pointer to the reference material and your actually taking the time to change the image size. My Best, --FGuerino (talk) 12:39, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Adding additional information about the organisation I work for.

Hi there.

I have been reading the Wikipedia guidelines on conflict of interest, given that I would like to improve the information available about the organisation I work for (the Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland).

Best practice seemed to suggest proposing an edit on the talk page, which I have done here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Police_Ombudsman_for_Northern_Ireland

I'm just wondering what now is the process for inviting an editor to review the suggested amends? Many thanks in anticipation for any help you are able to provide.

194.32.31.1 (talk) 10:18, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, welcome to the Teahouse. You've done great so far by proposing the edit on the talk page. Have you got any editor(s) in mind specifically or are you looking for a general review? If you have someone in mind then it's perfectly acceptable to post a message on their talk page informing them of that. Cabe 6403^{(Talk•Sign)} 10:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks Cabe for the welcome and helpful advice. I haven't really anyone in particular in mind, in fact I'm not really sure how to identify an editor and make the request. Oponiinfo (talk) 10:46, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Oponiinfo, I've had a look at the content and it seems fine to me. Feel free to go ahead and insert it into the article. Have a read at WP:BRD, you'd be taking the bold step of adding the content, if it is reverted then prepare to discuss it on the talk page but I see now reason that would happen. Cabe 6403^{(Talk•Sign)} 10:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again Cabe - I'll do that. 194.32.31.1 (talk) 10:55, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Note, if you're trying to reach a larger audience of people interested in a topic, you could try posting at the Talk page of the appropriate WikiProject, like Wikipedia:WikiProject Law Enforcement or WP:WikiProject Ireland (which I believe covers N. Ireland as well). MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:57, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Editing For a New Company

hello sir/mam, I want to ask you that can I edit some new IT companies in India in your wikipedia with compelte information?122.161.241.90 (talk) 08:46, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, welcome to the Teahouse and thanks for your question. I would encourage you to read our policy on notability for organisations and companies which should contain all the information you need. Rather than re-explaining it all here I'll let you have a read then if you have any questions feel free to ask and I'll do my best to clarify it for you. Cabe 6403^{(Talk•Sign)} 09:20, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I apologise if this is me misunderstanding you, but editing for a company is never acceptable on Wikipedia. Wikipedia contains neutral articles about notable subjects, and any kind of promotion is forbidden. --ColinFine (talk) 09:50, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

ColinFine if he is associated with the company then, yes it's a conflict of interest however it's not actually forbidden, just discouraged. There's some advice for users with a COI which shed some light on the matter. So long as the company meets WP:NCORP and his editing maintains a WP:NPOV and avoids adding WP:SPAM then their is little in the way of an issue Cabe 6403^{(Talk•Sign)} 10:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Cabe6403: I agree with what you say. The phrase "editing for a company" sounded to me as if the purpose in coming to Wikipedia was to promote the company, but as I said, I may have misunderstood. --ColinFine (talk) 11:16, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of article

Hello all! I was told that I should rewrite an article about a company called Animoto by another wiki editor because the old one was too promotional- and it was. But another wiki editor deleted the article before I could even finish it. How can I avoid this from happening again? Now I can't write an article about this company. What happens in this case? Messier83 (talk) 23:38, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Messier83! You should message Deb on her talk page and ask her to "userfy" it for you. Just a word of caution though. That article has been deleted 5 times. You really want to make sure you have the references to show notability before you re-submit it. Gtwfan52 (talk) 23:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Is there any way to allow editors to look at the page before I submit it? Messier83 (talk) 00:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)Messier83

You could submit it for creation at WP:AFC by adding {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page. -- ^t numbermaniac^c 02:56, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

@Messier83 - Sorry that I wasn't around, but I notice you have now got the text in your sandbox. I'm afraid I protected the article to prevent creation because you just kept recreating it without taking note of the issues. That protection can be removed by an admin when the article is ready to be restored. Deb (talk) 10:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

@Deb - Thanks Deb! I just found out what sandboxes are for. How do I have an admin check the article in the sandbox so that the article can be recreated? Messier83 (talk) 16:37, 14 August 2013 (UTC)Messier83

In the box at the top of your draft there is a link saying: "If you are writing an article, and are ready to request its creation, click here. If you click on that link, then the draft will be submitted to the review process to determine whether it is acceptable as an article. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:49, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Editor of the Week

Hey there! What is it about? Miss Bono^[zootalk] 17:05, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

@Miss Bono: Welcome back to the Teahouse! The Editor of the Week Award is typically given to obscure editors who do great work somehow, somewhere. ^King Jakob _C2 17:17, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

@King jakob c 2: Wao! Thanks :) Miss Bono^[zootalk] 17:25, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey there, Miss Bono! EoW is a project that started at the editor retention project. The purpose is to recognize under-recognized editors. As much as you seem to like helping out here, I think you would be a great addition to WP:WER. Would you consider joining? Please follow the links and take a look!Gtwfan52 (talk) 17:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

@Gtwfan52: Awesome. Thanks for the invitation! :) I will. I will ned someone covering my back, just in case I mess something up :) Miss Bono^[zootalk] 17:30, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

As a recipient, its a cool thing to have and yes, being proudly obscure has its moments, honestCoal town guy (talk) 17:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I will nevere know that :( Coal town guy Miss Bono^[zootalk] 18:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Well Miss Bono, if you ever need to know about a small obscure populated place in North America, drop me a line........Coal town guy (talk) 00:13, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Coal town guy I'll do. Do you mean West Virginia? Miss Bono^[zootalk] 12:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono Pretty much anywhere. I am working with some kind folks at the Geographic Name Information System to update their records for the post office in Spotted Horse, Wyoming at the moment. While Spotted Horse has a population of two at the moment, data is dataCoal town guy (talk) 12:27, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

TwO pEoPlE???? No way! :D Miss Bono^[zootalk] 12:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Certainly, they are rather polite when serving a beer after a long day of cycling. My moms town has 11 people, and I do believe Thurmond, West Virginia has 2 as well, I am not certain because I used to know the family who lived on the hill. I have watched some places become de populated in totum, and some meet a bulldozer and disappear, its rather eerie. As I grew up near these types of places, I have found Wikipedia MOST accepting of having them documented in some fashion. It beats watching TV...honest. Coal town guy (talk) 12:39, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Redirect to another article

What do I need to do to link words to another article, not to the article itself, but to the specific section within the article. e.g. the words Mary, to the section In other media appearances in the article.Rootone (talk) 05:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Rootone, thanks for your question. Linking to sections requires the pound sign (#) after the article title. So for instance, in the article exploding whale, the section called "Oregon" would be linked to as exploding whale#Oregon. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 05:36, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

how do I upload images

I am new to wikipedia-I want to upload images-how do I do this?

Also how long does it take for a draft article to appear. I can't see mine does this mean it is lost? It was my first attempt and probably needs a lot more work.

Kapowpicturesanimation (talk) 01:40, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

First, before you upload a photo, make certain that you can use it. Wikipedia does not allow copyrighted photos unless the person who holds the copyright for the photo is willing to let anyone reuse it for any purpose whatsoever. Before I tell you how to upload, would you please post below my comment and say where you got the photo from? Second, looking at your contributions here [1], I only see edits to this page and Mark Gravas, no draft article at all. It may have been deleted. Howicus (talk) 02:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Six degrees of separation

Do we have a userbox that shows how steps away I am away from someone? Miss Bono^[zootalk] 18:23, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Most of our userboxes can be found at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Gallery. I'm not familiar with such a userbox, but one might exist on those pages. Otherwise, you can find how to create your own userbox at Wikipedia:Userboxes. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 20:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Miss Bono^[zootalk] 20:30, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

factual error in an image, image creator retired

I noticed a bonehead mistake in an image (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Open_cluster_HR_diagram_ages.gif) I like a lot otherwise, and the image creator seems to be retired from Wikipedia. In that image, it indicates that absolute magnitude increases upward ... but this is exactly backward. Larger luminosities are toward the top, but the magnitude scale runs "backwards" so big absolute magnitudes are towards the bottom. With the contributor retired and presumably unavailable, what's the way to solicit a fix? I have done very little image manipulation myself (if I felt competent at it I'd do it myself). BSVulturis (talk) 16:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi BSVulturis and welcome. The image you linked above is widely used in en wikipedia and other versions. I suggest you go to the article where you found the image and open discussion about its accuracy on thetalk page. If there is consensus that the image needs editing then there are plenty of people who can do that. I hope this helps Flat Out let's discuss it 21:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Flat Out. I have done that in the talk page for Hertsprung-Russell diagram; I may also hang a note somewhere in Wikiproject Astronomy-land, too. It is, as you note, a widely used figure. BSVulturis (talk) 02:07, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Unusual edits?

I was a little bewildered to see some strange editing, e.g. creating an article in main space and redirecting it to a user page, moving a user page to another name, but do not know exactly which procedures apply in these cases, have a look. Best, Sam 🎤 16:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Sam. Perhaps the best way to handle this is to talk to the editor. You should try that and if you get no satisfaction, then this may warrant a report to WP:ANI. I certainly would not be comfortable trying to fix that mess. It is probably best left to those who have more tools than you or I, the administrators. Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply Gtwfan52, an admin in the meantime has done just what you descriped. Best, Sam 🎤 19:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I am having trouble using in-line citations and footnotes in my article.

My article is a biography of an entertainment journalist, Mary Anne Cassata. Her work is not controversial, nor are there any controversial claims. However, Wikipedia has rejected my article. Can some one help me find sections to put in in-line citations and footnotes?

Fluffynutmeg (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Fluffynutmeg. The way that references need to work is that individual pieces of information in the article need to be referenced to the sources, and where the source is booklength, to the page or at least the chapter. WP:Referencing for beginners should show you how to get started. The other point is that (though I haven't looked at them all), most of your references are not adequate for supporting the subject's notability. A book review by Cassata is a primary source: notability absolutely requires secondary sources; that is, articles or books by others (and from reliable publishers) that discuss the subject (Cassata) at length. Finding these sources and referencing them in the article needs to be your first priority; because if you cannot find such sources, then she does not meet Wikipedia's criterion of notability. (This is nothing to do with fame or controversy: the problem is that if these references do not exist, then it is actually not possible to write a satisfactory article about her, because there is no sourced information about her which can go into such an article.) --ColinFine (talk) 16:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Info

Can I add an infobox in my user page about me including my name, DOB[date of bitrh] etc.Benison {'Talk with me'} 13:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is the user infobox. {{Infobox_user}} Miss Bono^[zootalk] 13:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Benison {'Talk with me'} 14:31, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Anytime Benison Miss Bono^[zootalk] 14:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

You of course are free to do what you wish, Benison, but I must caution you about the wisdom of putting personal info on the internet. We don't live in a nice world, and the more information you make readily available, the higher the likelihood of you being targeted by an identity thief. Gtwfan52 (talk) 18:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. And the concern is not just identity theft (which may be a lesser worry to people of High School age who tend not to have credit histories to ruin or credit potential to steal).

See also Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. You may wonder whether this is really relevant to editors of High School age. However, there's at least one "Wikipedia criticism" website whose denizens consider it an appropriate tactic to send allegations to the high schools of editors who have come into contact with people that they are targetting. You or your parents might not feel it is an appropriate use of the resources of your high school to spend time dealing with this sort of harrassment, which may also inconvenience you personally. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:44, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Can somebody explain why I was blocked?

Dear Wikipedia editor,

It's Ketih King here, I was blocked from editing Wikipedia articles a few weeks ago, and I would be very grateful if someone could explain what was the reason for this.

I am very sorry if I did something wrong, but I can tell you that I love Wikipedia, consider it the best available and the most democratic information source, and have never done anything to harm it's content on purpose. On the contrary, I was editing it with the best of my knowledge and abilities.

Before I was blocked I remember I wrote a new article about Peter Jackson (environmentalist after whom the Indochinese tiger is named), as I thought he deserved a Wikipedia page. The article was deleted. I did not object to it's deletion, and never tried to start pushing the article again.

So please explain was this the reason banning me from editing or something else? I am just lost, and hope someone can explain me what was the reason of my banning. I am ready to say sorry if I did something wrong, but please let me know what was the unacceptable behavior that caused my banning.

Thank you for your time, Sincerely, Ketih Ketih King (talk) 13:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Your block was in August 2011, for 1 week, so has long since expired. The reason was explained on your user talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Your suggested article at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Peter Jackson was declined but not deleted. The decliner wrote "very interesting! please provide additional sources that describe the subject in greater detail to establish his notability." PrimeHunter (talk) 13:23, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Your talk page also refers to the report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive716#Sockpuppetry in Joseph Jordania and related articles?. Note also that there is a difference between a block and a ban. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Where is my draft

Hi Teahousers, I created a draft article a few days ago & uploaded 6 images successfully. I then saved the article as a draft to review/edit later before uploading for approval, but can't find the draft. Please help. With thanks Mr Baulk-Line (talk) 12:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe this is what you are looking for: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Michael Tandy. Happy editing. Go Phightins! 13:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

And for another time there is a "contributions" link at the top of the page which lists your edits.--Charles (talk) 13:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Help with article and username

Hello There :)

Sorry - I am unsure if I am writing in the right place or not... but I wanted to meet and chat with other much more experienced wiki editors than myself. I have an issue I would love some help with. I recently wrote a neutral article (my very first article on here) about a soccer player, who was the first Australian to ever be 'drafted' to the Major League in USA. Anyhow, long story short, I simply opened the laptop with this idea, as I was researching this player as he plays in Germany, and I found all of his information was so diverse and in so many different languages, I though this surely needs to be on wiki. I went ahead, (foolish as a beginner, and made a username and password) and I made my username almost letter for letter the player I was referring to... as I didnt expect I would be able to actually submit anything, I didn't know a thing about wiki. Anyhow I submitted and article was approved by a very fair, nice person who looked at the sources and approved immediately almost. Then however, as if it were a personal attack, I started getting messages claiming that the article was likely written by the subject himself, and that the article was promotional. I would love to invite you to look at the article I presented as my first article, please search James Georgeff in wiki. The article is up for deletion on grounds I am unsure of. I have argued that notoriety is the ground on which the rules state something should stay as an independent article, yet I feel the admin who started this deletion process has been working against me, and for lack of a better term, using his contacts to add to the discussion in an unfair manner. Is there a way I can present my case, or talk to someone or an admin independent of emotion and personal bias. The admin even told me in a message that if I kept accusing him of personal attacks that I would feel a 'boomerang' effect from him. For me, being employed in legal services and being an expert on the subject I wrote about, and providing over 15 sources from independent sources... I feel this has turned slightly personal. Where do I get help? What do I do? (Samej1902 (talk) 09:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC))

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse Samej1902! I've moved your question here and given it a section title so that more helpers may find it and give you and answer. :) I do want to give you a heads up that using the word "legal" on Wikipedia has gotten a few people in trouble, so be careful. Is the article you need help with, James Georgeff created by Georgeff9 (talk · contribs) (I assume is your other username and I've taken the liberty of noting that on your userpage that you have edited under that name so that you won't be accused of sockpuppetry), which is up for deletion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Georgeff? If so, GiantSnowman is fairly versed in all things football, and hates to see football related articles deleted if there is any chance of keeping them. I suggest asking him on the AfD page if he would be willing to USERFY the article for you since this appears to be an upcoming star and he may grant you that request. Technical 13 (talk) 11:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The article will be considered on its merits at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Georgeff, and the contributors there will be free of "emotion and personal bias". You say that you are an expert on the subject you wrote about, but that isn't of any direct help, as what Wikipedia is looking for is verifiability by references to published independent reliable sources. If those do not demonstrate that the subject meets Wikipedia's notability requirements, your own knowledge or original research doesn't help. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi - Thanks for the notice. I was just assuming that a very notable event coupled with numerous significant sources on the James Georgeff article more than suffice as per WP:NCOLLATH. The commentary all over my talk page is referring to rules not relevant to the article for some reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samej1902 (talk • contribs) 12:17, 15 August 2013‎ (UTC)

delete

how do you delete a page. i ant to delete one of my drafts .jjbernardiscool (talk) 11:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

If you are the only substantial contributor to the page & its talk page, then you can tag it for speedy deletion by adding {{db-author}} at the top of the page, see Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G7. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:38, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Jjbernardiscool and welcome to the Teahouse! If the draft is in your userspace, simply blank the page and place {{db-U1}} on the top of the page. Anything in your userspace can be most quickly deleted as CSD U1 criteria. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 11:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Is there a public place for editor commendations/recommendations?

Question was answered early on-- not sure what prompted this conversation to turn into a small trainwreck. Let's move on, folks. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

(Personal attack removed) FGuerino (talk) 02:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

If he's a bully, it might be best to raise the issue at WP:AN, the admin noticeboard. -- ^t numbermaniac^c 02:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

For the helpful editor, you may wish to give out some "Wikilove". If you go to the editor's talk page, you will see at the top of the page a small red heart. Click on this and you will see some cheerful graphics and messages to leave on the page. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

A caveat regarding Anne's reply: whether you see the "Wikilove" feature at the top of a user's talk page depends on how you have your preferences set at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-misc. - David Biddulph (talk) 04:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

FGuerino could do that, but he'd have to watch out for the boomerang. Eric Corbett

Thanks to ^t numbermaniac^c and David Biddulph for your help. I'll take a look. My Best, --FGuerino (talk) 12:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I think I know which editor you are referring to, FGuerino. If I am right, then I must point out that he has goals other than to "bully and block any forms of progress". This editor is a prolific creator of Featured Articles, Good Articles and Did You Know articles highlighted on Wikipedia's home page. Although he has rough edges, he has cheerfully assisted many editors, including me, in improving a wide variety of articles. Please assume good faith of other editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed) FGuerino (talk) 12:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Cullen wasn't suggesting that one should ignore bullying. The editor to whom I assume you are referring was very patient in trying to explain things to you, and to answer the numerous questions you asked him. If you didn't like the answers you were getting, or the manner in which he answered your questions, you were (and still are) quite at liberty to seek advice elsewhere, or to submit your drafts for consideration by anyone who chooses to review them through the AFC process. As Cullen said, your suggestion that the other editor's "... only goals, it seems, are to bully and block any forms of progress" is a clear breach of Wikipedia's policy to assume good faith, and is not borne out by the other editor's record. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I had no idea the Teahouse had become a forum in which to bad mouth other editors. Eric Corbett 19:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Good point, Eric. I've responded on FGuerino's talk page, as that's a better place than the Teahouse. Thanks, David Biddulph, for your comments. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Your comment baffles me, Eric. No-one is named here at all, and the OP received a lesson in WP:AGF. Where is the problem? Teahouse is here to educate new users; a new user came here with something he legitimately felt was a problem, and he got educated. He now knows how to reward a helpful editor, report an obstructive editor (although I would add the caveat that he should try to engage the editor in dialogue first), and has been given the wisdom of one of our pillars, WP:AGF. Kinda sounds like the Serenity Prayer to me. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

If my comment baffles you then the problem here is greater than I had imagined. And your characterisation of me as an obstructive editor speaks volumes. Have you actually read FGuerino's proposed new article? Eric Corbett 20:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Might I point out that the only person mentioning you is you? I certainly didn't characterize you as anything, and I resent the accusation. I didn't read his article, because the content of his article was not germane to the question. He asked an intelligent well written question in a strictly academic manner. It got answered. That should be the end of the story. You are the one making more of it than that, no one else. Hard as you may find it to believe, this isn't about you. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:23, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Might I point out that anyone with even half a brain would find your position nonsensical. He asked a question framed to attack another editor, me. But you of course have no problem with that. Get real. Eric Corbett 21:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Eric Corbett! I hope RexxS has paid you in beer for me (and if not then this is your reminder), because I do hope to one day owe RexxS. Thanks again for the eyes over at DVT. I still need to polish further to get the star. Biosthmors (talk) 21:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I think you must be mistaking me for one of those helpful editors; I'm only here to bully and block progress. Eric Corbett 21:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia shortcut

I just wanna know how to make a shortcut link on a page to go another Wikipedia page.

Cheers in advance.Kamel86969 (talk) 12:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Kamel86969, I think you're just asking about using [[]]. See the H:Cheatsheet and let us know if that's not what you were asking. Best. Biosthmors (talk) 13:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Kamel. I edit conflicted with Biosthmor above, and he or she may be right about what you are seeking. The words you used implied something else to me. If you are talking about an actual shortcut, and not how to make an internal link, then the way that is done is to create the shortcut title as a redirect. For example the shortcut to this page is WP:TH/Q. Visit that link to see what's there as an example. The way to then add the boxed link at this page to provide notice of shortcut name is with the template: {{shortcut|NAME}}. There are also specific ones depending on the type of page the shortcut is to, such as {{Policy shortcut}} and {{Template shortcut}}. Note that this is not done for encyclopedia articles in the mainspace. If you meant instead how to make an internal link, just ignore this. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Cheers. Just new to Wikipedia and didn't know how this was done,Kamel86969 (talk) 10:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

who edited

How can I find out who edited/wrote a certain line of an article? Fixer9202 (talk) 21:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You probably want Wikipedia:WikiBlame. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:41, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

... although for simple checks, the "View history" link at the top of each page can sometimes be easier and faster. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:01, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Queen (band)

First of all, let me introduce myself. I called myself "Queenrainbow99" because my main goal is to edit and create pages about songs and albums of bands Queen and Rainbow. I have no problem with Rainbow, I've already created a page about their first single, Man on the Silver Mountain. I have a question about Queen: why does their genre in Wikipedia have to always be "rock" or (at least) "hard rock"? Queen have a big variety of styles, almost as huge as The Beatles' or Led Zeppelin's. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queenrainbow99 (talk • contribs) 09:07, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Question moved to top of page and editor notified. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 09:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Queenrainbow. Questions about particular articles are usually best discussed on their talk pages, in this case Talk:Queen (band). If you look at that page you will see that it has been discussed before (the entry 'Genres' has a link to previous discussions). I suggest you read those discussions. If you have anything to add, or want to suggest changes, you are welcome to reopen the discussion, but you will need to be familiar with what has been said before. --ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

How I display the name of my website in WIKIPEDIA

My Website name is www.laganphere.com. I want to enter this website information in wikipedia. What is the process.

Regards Anoop Kohli122.161.220.54 (talk) 08:56, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anoop. We do not usually allow links to people's own sites or to any external sites that to not act as reliable reference sources so I do not think this will be possible.--Charles (talk) 09:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Anoop. If you create an account, which is strongly recommended, you will have a user page which you can add information about yourself to. Many users link to their personal web pages from their Wikipedia user pages. --LukeSurl^{t c} 10:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

However, as your site appears to be for a commercial enterprise, that would not be appropriate in this case. Rojomoke (talk) 12:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Anoop. I'm afraid that promotion of any kind (whether for commercial or non-commercial items) is not acceptable in Wikipedia, and a lot of people get quite annoyed when they think somebody is trying to use Wikipedia for that purpose. --ColinFine (talk) 16:42, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Controversy section in BLP page

Hi.I need help on this BLP issue added controversy section without adding authentic source.diff I've removed the section.There is no authentic source to confirm this controversy and one source added is more like blog source.I'm not sure on wiki policy on authentic source. I really appreciate any help you can provide. RouLong (talk) 08:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Page was deleted

A page for Greg Ammon was deleted, and I would like to recreate it. There are NY Times articles and Vanity Fair articles mentioning him, which I believe are secondary sources, which make him notable, yet the page was still deleted. Does anyone know how to make him another page so that it is not deleted?

Ms348911 (talk) 22:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

You've been told in answers to two questions on WP:HD that the subject is not notable. Please stop forum shopping. - David Biddulph (talk) 22:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ms348911. Though I haven't looked at the specifics here, please note that mere "mention" in reliable sources is not what establishes notability. We look for significant treatment in reliable sources, from which a verifiable article could be written. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

The TV documentary is just horrible. Yet Greg Ammon is only a Ukranian orphan being adopted by a wealthy couple. He is not notable.Greg and Alexa Ammon, 22, speak out for first time in new documentary.

There are enough articles about the people involved in the Murder in the Hamptons: Ted Ammon, Generosa Ammon and Daniel Pelosi. --Tous4821 (talk) 20:46, 16 August 2013 (UTC)