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Mike Pence's fly

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I feel this is an WP:NEVENT fail. There is little lasting effect or sustained coverage, and information about the fly could be readily incorporated into the article on the 2020 debates itself. Unlike something like Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy the fly hasn't really become a staple that is looked back upon by later press; the sole reference here after October 8th 2020 is a USA Today article that briefly mentions it in the context of a fly landing on Trump during a press event. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as the one that moved it to mainspace. I think this passes GNG pretty handily and is one of the more well-remembered aspects of the 2020 US election. If it cannot be kept, I would ask at the very least that it to be merged into 2020 United States presidential debates. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That may possibly be an argument about the event being notable, but this is an article about the specific fly, not the event. RecycledPixels (talk) 16:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Pence fly was created in 2020 as a redirect to 2020 United States presidential debates. RecycledPixels (talk) 16:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As I think it has been shown to have been looked back upon. An example would be this article from this year which mentions Mike Pence’s fly. 92.9.187.249 (talk) 16:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as the article is about the literal insect, which is ridiculous. The event has been mentioned in retrospect, but only in passing and without any sustained importance. It should get a brief mention in the article about the 2020 presidential debates. It would be like giving the meme about Tim Walz's confused expression at the recent debate its own article. PlotinusEnjoyer (talk) 17:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The “it about a literal insect” point is ridiculous as they are plenty of articles on individual insects. Such as Number 16 (spider) and Nadezhda (cockroach) 92.9.187.249 (talk) 17:17, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But those insects actually did things (live a long time or conceive in space). This article is about an event (albeit a trivial one). Like how the Jimmy Carter rabbit incident is about the event and not the particular rabbit. If there is an article it is about 'the event in which a fly landed on Mike Pence'. Not 'the fly that landed on Mike Pence.' Even the event-based article is absurd, but the insect-article is even more so. PlotinusEnjoyer (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to 2020 United States presidential debates. Ridiculous that this was made in the first place. Reywas92^Talk 17:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok fuck it. Wikipedia is ridiculous. The standards, rules and everyone is just ridiculous. The entire idea is ridiculous if you really think about it. We are humans. Us humans do stupid shit on the internet. Why should we edit on a site that claims to “spread knowledge” editable to everyone. Wikipedia is just some crappy website that got popular and has companies like Google supporting it. The only reason people never use alternatives is because Wikipedia basically has non-commercial monopoly on online encyclopedias. Any attempt to make a online encyclopedia about every that is notable and has sources that isn’t Wikipedia is just ignored and doesn’t get the variety of people interested in different topics that Wikipedia gets.

What should happen is that everyone just ignores Wikipedia and we go through a process of Wikibalkanisation in which wiki websites are created for certain subjects. This would make it so articles on things that would be considered insignificant or not notable of having its own article on an encyclopedia trying to compiling information on pretty much any major (or even minor) topic imaginable. Also I am talking about real life subjects here I know there are plenty of big wiki websites on fiction and stuff like that.

I also know saying stuff like this will get me banned or warned and that this is completely irrelevant to this discussion but god damn it I just have wanted to rant about the feelings I have been getting on Wikipedia. And this will probably be the last contribution to Wikipedia. Also yes I know you probably don’t care but it matters to me. Bye! 92.9.187.249 (talk) 18:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yikes worst take i have seen •Cyberwolf•talk? 18:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. Good for you. You are free to disagree. Wasn’t trying to force my opinion on anyone though I do think a Wikibalkanisation would be a beneficial to everyone even though it may seem like a bad idea on paper (or I guess on a digital dicussion). Just wanted to say my own feelings. Anyway bye (for real this time). 92.9.187.249 (talk) 18:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ridiculous red herring of an argument. People reading this discussion should discard what this IP has written in this argument. -1ctinus📝🗨 21:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry dude, just because something trended on twitter and was made into memes for a couple days doesn't mean it should have a standalone article. Not how this site works, so go make your own wiki if you want that. There's barely any substance to this, so it can be covered in the main article. Reywas92^Talk 22:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge per Reywas. -1ctinus📝🗨 21:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to 2020 United States presidential debates#October 7: Vice presidential debate (University of Utah). I literally declined a draft about this situation two days ago! Draft:The fly (2020 vice presidential debate). Bkissin (talk) 22:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Di is a great contributor and writer, and i did quite enjoy the fly story, but Generalissima is right that this is basically what NEVENT was made for. RSes never came back after the story to provide any real analysis on the fly (not... you know what i mean), in the form of dissecting what it says about culture or politics or discussing any impact it might have had. Without a solid assertion of why the fly has enduring significance, the article should probably be merged. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to 2020 United States presidential debates#October 7: Vice presidential debate (University of Utah). No sustained coverage of the fly. Honestly I'm surprised at so many merge votes. Usually these kinds of AFD pages quickly are filled with keep votes from people who have a partisan desire to keep a page like this one. Esolo5002 (talk) 03:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daisuke Tsuda (YouTuber)

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WP:NPEOPLE Paradoctor (talk) 07:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Appears to fail the notability guidelines for WP:NPEOPLE. JustARandomEditor123 (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disagree:Mr.Tsuda is a prominent figure in Japan's internet scene, with over 20 years of experience. From the early days of Twitter Japan's service, he has engaged in various activities as a "media activist(a term he coined)", creating the buzzword "tsuda-ru". He served as a forum committee member for Asahi Shimbun, one of Japan's leading quality media outlets, from 2015 to 2019, and in 2019, he was the artistic director for the Aichi Triennale, an arts festival organized by Aichi Prefecture, establishing himself as a significant presence in the public discourse. His activities have been recognized by public institutions, having been appointed as a member of various government councils and positions in the aforementioned Aichi Prefecture events. Since 2020, he has shifted his focus to his self-established YouTube channel, "POLITAS TV", where he operates as a political opinion YouTuber, engaging in a range of discourse activities. Therefore, he should not be deleted. MihariHarukaze (talk) 10:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Please point to the independent sources that show him being "a prominent figure in Japan's internet scene". Geschichte (talk) 10:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Follower Count on X (formerly Twitter): As of October 9, 2024, Tsuda's X account has 1.466 million followers, ranking among the top influencers in Japan. For comparison, the Prime Minister of Japan, Shigeru Ishiba, has 418,000 followers (Shigeru Ishiba X account), and the left-wing journalist Isoko Mochizuki, known as the model for the Netflix global series "The Journalist", has 319,000 followers (Isoko Mochizuki X account). This shows that Tsuda is one of Japan’s leading left-wing influencers (Daisuke Tsuda X account).
  
  Official Profile: According to a 2017 profile published by the public relations department of Aichi Prefecture, Tsuda has been active as an internet expert since the 2000s and has appeared in various mass media outlets. He has authored several books on the internet and has held positions as a professor at higher education institutions and as a member of various government committees (Aichi Prefecture PR Document).
  
  Asahi Shimbun Opinion Committee Member: Tsuda served as a member of the opinion committee for Asahi Shimbun, one of Japan's leading quality media outlets, highlighting his recognition in the world of public discourse (Asahi Shimbun Daisuke Tsuda Opinion).
  
  Mention in Ryukyu Shimpo: In 2018, Tsuda was listed as one of the "famous people (著名人)" in an article by Ryukyu Shimpo, Okinawa’s leading regional newspaper, indicating his influence is acknowledged even in regional media (Ryukyu Shimpo).
  
  Artistic Director of Aichi Triennale: In 2019, Tsuda served as the artistic director of the Aichi Triennale, an arts festival hosted by Aichi Prefecture. This event was sponsored by global corporations headquartered in Aichi Prefecture, such as Toyota Motor Corporation, further demonstrating Tsuda's public activities and societal recognition. (Aichi Prefecture Document, Triennale Report)
  
  This evidence shows that Tsuda is not only an expert on internet issues but also a well-known figure with influence across multiple fields. MihariHarukaze (talk) 12:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Uh, have you read WP:NPEOPLE? If not, please do now. While you're at it, you may find Wikipedia:Why is BFDI not on Wikipedia? instructive.
  
  BTW, that "Official Profile" you mentioned? That's a one-page chronological list of Tsuda's contributions, basically what you'd find as part of a CV. That's not significant coverage in accord with NPEOPLE. Paradoctor (talk) 14:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Selected as a Young Global Leader (2013): In 2013, Tsuda was selected as one of the “Young Global Leaders Honourees” by the World Economic Forum in Davos. (The selection list is available here)
  
  Appeared in FOX News (2010): In June 2010, Tsuda appeared as an expert in an Associated Press's article titled "Twitter a hit in Japan as 'mumbling' tweeters give micro-blogging a distinctly Japanese flavor", which was featured on FOX News. (The FOX News article is available here)
  
  Controversy at Aichi Triennale 2019: In 2019, Tsuda served as the artistic director of Aichi Triennale 2019, which featured works such as a piece that involved burning an image of Emperor Hirohito and a statue symbolizing "comfort women". This exhibition sparked nationwide protests, with critics labeling it "disrespectful" toward the Emperor. The controversy received extensive media coverage, and Takashi Kawamura, the Mayor of Nagoya, staged a sit-in protest in opposition to the exhibition's content. The matter was also discussed in the Japanese parliament, leading to a prolonged national debate. Tsuda faced widespread criticism from various sectors. (NHK article, Mainichi article)
  
  Keynote Speech at "Critics in Residence @KYOTO EXPERIMENT 2024": On October 8, 2024, Tsuda delivered the keynote speech at the "Critics in Residence @KYOTO EXPERIMENT 2024”, hosted by the Delegation of the European Union to Japan. The event's introduction describes him as "widely known for his critical writing about recent shifts in the Japanese and international media environment as well as for establishing his own platforms for independent journalism".
  
  Cited in Google Scholar: A search for "Daisuke Tsuda Media Journalism" on Google Scholar reveals numerous academic papers citing Tsuda, showcasing his influence in the field of media and journalism. (Google Scholar search results)
  
  Appearances on NHK Programs: A search for "津田大介" of NHK’s program database reveals that Tsuda has frequently appeared as an expert on various programs. (NHK Archives search results)
  
  Mentions in CiNii: A search for "津田大介" on CiNii, the academic database operated by Japan's National Institute of Informatics, shows several articles related to media, internet, and journalism that mention Tsuda, aside from mentions of researchers with the same name. (CiNii Research search results)
  
  Featured in Major Japanese Newspapers: A search for "津田大介" in Japan's three major newspapers (The Asahi Shimbun, The Nikkei, and Sankei News) reveals that Tsuda has appeared in numerous articles, excluding those concerning a Dentsu employee with the same name. (The Asahi Shimbun search results, The Nikkei search results, Sankei News search results)
  
  MihariHarukaze (talk) 17:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I tired a .jp website search, nothing comes up. This in a Korean paper [1] briefly mentions this person. Likely more in Japanese sources? I don't know. Oaktree b (talk) 12:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Disagree:In today's Asahi Shimbun Digital article titled "How did you view the party leaders' debate before the snap dissolution? With Daisuke Tsuda and Seiko Mimaki (スピード解散前の党首討論、どう見た？　津田大介さんと三牧聖子さん)", Tsuda appears as one of the experts. While there are differing opinions about Tsuda’s political views and activities, it is undeniable that he is a well-known public figure. MihariHarukaze (talk) 13:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  We require articles about him, not just him speaking on a particular subject, that's the issue. Oaktree b (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Harrison (author)

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As much as I think Harrison's writing about Wikipedia is insightful, I simply don't think he passes WP:NJOURNALIST. He's not really been the subject of significant coverage. I don't think interviews or reviews of his books in student newspapers (Student Life) are sigcov. The Fix interview might be significant coverage, but I am unfamiliar with the publication. 1A is a podcast interview, which I don't think counts for notability. The Salon, Slate and HuffPost links are just to his journalism and obviously don't count. The New America link is the description of an event that Harrison was participating in, and I don't think its sigcov either. The WashU entry is a "look what one of our alumni is up to" post and therefore it's not independent or sigcov. The Yahoo interview is part of the Yahoo for Creators program, which has an unclear level of editorial control from Yahoo itself, and may be published with little editorial oversight like WP:FORBESCON, but I'm not sure, and I think its status as significant coverage is questionable. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't find much beyond articles he's penned. Seems notable, but I don't find any sourcing we can use. Article now is mostly sourced to author profiles. Oaktree b (talk) 01:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: With the publication of The Editors, Harrison satisfies #3 under creative professionals. I also just added two more sources, including an ABC affiliate WFAA and NBC Bay Area. 1A (radio program) is not a podcast, it's a radio program. - Wil540 art (talk) 02:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Editors hasn't even received a proper book review by a professional outlet so I hardly see how it passes the part of #3 that says such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. The book was notably also deleted when taken to AfD, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Editors (novel). I hardly see how being a guest on a radio or local television program is enough to pass GNG. Hemiauchenia (talk) 04:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Beres

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A PROD would certainly be rejected. A WP:BEFORE search turns little to nothing. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: tentatively. The only reliable sources I identified under his YouTube name "Sambucha" is a Dot Esports piece on his involvement in the "Streamer Games" and a Tubefilter source briefly mentioning his content and listing him in the top 100 most viewed creators. If there were an extra piece or two that gave him more SIGCOV, I'd change my vote. But for now it's not looking too promising. PantheonRadiance (talk) 01:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Linux Link Tech Show

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The subject does not pass WP:N or WP:WEBCRIT and was WP:PRODed in 2012. The current sources are largely blogs, forums, interviews, or primary and I'm not finding much of anything else in a WP:BEFORE. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:05, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The cited secondary sources, in addition to reliability concerns, do not contain significant enough coverage to make this topic notable. Web search does not turn up other usable sources. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 15:27, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article's subject fails WP:GNG and WP:WEB. There are three non=primary sources in the references: the TechNewsWorld source is a trivial mention, and NetworkWorld (though reprinted in a book and ItsFoss are listicles with minimal coverage of the subject. I could not find anything online that shows significant coverage in third-party reliable sources, though with a podcast that's been going since 2003, it's possible there has been coverage that is no longer around/indexed by search engines. However, notability must be established rather than assumed, and the notability for this article's subject has not been. - Aoidh (talk) 15:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sanewashing

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Non-notable neologism, per WP:NOTDICT and WP:NEO. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 20:09, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. LizardJr8 (talk) 00:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: within one hour of the article creation, the nominating editor Darth Stabro first recommended the article be deleted, then one minute later added a tag suggesting the article might be improved. This seems rather incongruous to me and I recommend the editor pick a lane, as a dual-track might suggest WP:IDONTLIKEIT. soibangla (talk) 02:01, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that if it is to be kept, there are other things that need to be done. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 13:49, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Springee (talk) 18:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I'm skeptical of neologisms, but this one has clearly resonated with journalists as there's been a steady stream of sources in top-tier news as well as journalism publications over the entirety of the last month. WP:NOTDICT inapplicable as the sourcing goes way beyond basic definition/usage, and it simply passes WP:NEO. I can link to more than those in the article, but my guess is quantity of sources isn't going to be persuasive? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 19:13, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Rhododendrites, this term has been discussed by many reliable sources. What's the point of deleting an article like this, rather than working to improve upon it? Thank you. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 00:35, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. Many more RS are commenting on this term, so it now easily passes GNG. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:

This article extends well beyond a dictionary entry and so WP:NOTDICT is not a reason for deletion. For example, it covers analysis of the practice of sanewashing, not just the word (RS: The Atlantic, MSNBC), and the impact of sanewashing on journalism (RS: Poynter, NPR).
This same RS coverage (plus others in the article) show that the concept of sanewashing passes WP:GNG in its own right.
WP:NEO is not a reason for deletion, as it states: "To support an article about a particular term or concept, we must cite what reliable secondary sources say about the term or concept, not just sources that use the term (see use–mention distinction)." The above sources and others are discussing the history of the term (RS: Columbia Journalism Review), its place amongst other neologisms like greenwashing (RS: Poynter), the distinction between it and other terms like paraphrasing (RS: The Week), not simply using it. This suggests WP:WORDISSUBJECT.

Jonathan Deamer (talk) 17:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Jonathan Deamer. I'd elaborate but to be honest he said it better than I could. I'll just note that as a regular reader of policy-related media, I've been keeping an eye on this word/concept for a while now and it only seems to be gaining traction as a good shorthand for a useful concept. Lockesdonkey (talk) 17:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'd never heard of this term until today but it appears to be sourced reliably. [2] Andre🚐 01:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep - notable and has been widely used Superb Owl (talk) 15:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. Bearian (talk) 04:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Commonly used in RS. BootsED (talk) 01:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll go ahead and Withdraw given the consensus here. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 19:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa

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I have found next to nothing online that establishes notability for this organisation. The content could possible be merged to National Library of New Zealand as they seem to be the main drivers of the project. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 02:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Myself Allen Swapan

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Reviewed during New page Patrol. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Bangladeshi streaming-only series. Of the two references, one is a review and the other is a link to their own commercial. Article was deleted in 2023 due to creation by a banned user and recreated February 2024 by a new user . North8000 (talk) 11:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: 1) given a review is cited a redirect to Syndicate_(TV_series)#Spin off is warranted ; 2) but there is plenty of coverage on this (including bylined articles), for example https://www.dhakatribune.com/showtime/309335/‘myself-allen-swapan’-streaming-this-eid ; https://www.tbsnews.net/splash/myself-allen-swapan-when-spin-outperforms-its-parent-series-622514 ; https://www.indiatoday.in/binge-watch/story/what-happens-when-a-wanted-criminal-pretends-to-be-your-husband-2366489-2023-04-30 : -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flash Element TD

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Fails to meet WP:GNG. The largest review I found is still relatively tiny. There is simply insufficient SIGCOV to justify an article at all, with the previous AfD citing mere announcements. What was good enough for 2011 is no longer good enough for 2024. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The developer of this game is listed as a co-founder of Kixeye. IgelRM (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Already at AFD so Soft Deletion is not an option.
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Keep. I found a little more coverage of the game (here and here), which, while not exactly stellar, is sufficient to keep the article alongside the other sources. Cortador (talk) 10:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of most-followed Kick channels

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WP:NLIST requires the subjects being listed to be discussed as a group in any significant depth by reliable sources. Although some sources have discussed Kick's channels collectively, those are all about the controversies and publicity stunts those creators have caused, not about their number of followers [3] [4] [5]. The abundance of coverage of WP:SENSATIONAL events that were designed by online celebrities for the exact purpose of gathering media attention is rarely a good argument for notability, and I doubt that this topic needs a stand-alone list considering that Kick (service) is already an article (which meets WP:NCORP mostly because of the coverage of said controversies to begin with). Badbluebus (talk) 19:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Some sources here do focus on talking about the numbers of followers of specific big channels of this website (e.g. Amouranth, xQc and Adin Ross), but NLIST requires those creators to be discussed as a group, not individually. And needless to say, celebrity gossip websites and online databases are rarely reliable sources. Badbluebus (talk) 19:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: In addition to the nominator's reasons, this list is unmaintanable. The data in the table comes from a dynamic database that claims to "collect[] and aggregate[] streaming data from Kick.com using statistics and charts" (whatever that means). voorts (talk/contributions) 21:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This article is essentially the same as List of most-followed Instagram accounts, List of most-followed Twitch channels & List of most-followed TikTok accounts, so there is a precedent to allow these types of lists, this list serves a valuable purpose by documenting significant trends in an evident and impactful space. Claims that the list is “unmaintainable” due to dynamic follower numbers are not strong enough for deletion. Other Wikipedia pages regularly update stats like revenue, sales figures, or most-followed accounts, and the content remains relevant despite being dynamic. As a growing platform, Kick has generated significant media attention, and reliable sources regularly cover its top streamers. Listing the top 30 most-followed channels does not represent an indiscriminate collection of information; it focuses on the most popular accounts on one of the newest major streaming platforms, essential for cultural and media studies. The argument that Kick's controversies are the only notability factor ignores the clear public interest in tracking which creators hold the most followers. I agree that it needs better citations, but that will be fixed with time. I know that editors, including myself, will maintain and update this list as needed. A note about the last update date should address concerns about outdated information. Deleting this list would limit Wikipedia’s ability to document the evolution of social media platforms, especially those rising in relevance like Kick.JeanSegura (talk) 20:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, we do not make deletion decisions based on what other lists (or articles) exist or do not exist on Wikipedia. The reason for this is that we're looking at this list's notability, not the notability of those other lists; those lists might be notable, or they might not, but the focus of this discussion is just this list. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand and agree with you that each list’s notability should be considered individually. However, it's important to note that this list meets the same standards as similar lists, which is why it meets the inclusion criteria based on its own notability. You will find media online that covers kick followers, just as it does for other platforms. Reliable sources such as "NBC News" have show their follower counts and impact. I really think that the notability of this list is okay, as the list is not merely about individual creators but about Kick's social impact. JeanSegura (talk) 21:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason to keep an article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as the list as it currently stands fails WP:NLIST and is realistically unmaintainable; Wikipedia is not a mirror of third-party sites, nor is it Streamcharts. That said, it is worth noting that 2023 New York Times article does call out Kick's business model for being "unusual" for offering "eyebrow-raising multimillion dollar contracts to top streamers" such as Amouranth: The big names have set up shop on Kick. Mr. Lengyel drew headlines when he signed a two-year contract with Kick worth up to $100 million. Kaitlyn Siragusa, known as Amouranth, one of the most popular women on Twitch with 6.4 million followers; Mr. Kolcheff, who has 6.7 million followers; and the chess grandmaster Hikaru Nakamura, who has 1.9 million Twitch followers, have also signed lucrative Kick deals. But that is citing their follower numbers on Twitch, not Kick, and regardless, more information about these top streamers and the lucrative deals they have cut with Kick could easily be incorporated into the main article Kick (service). Cielquiparle (talk) 04:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dumbrella

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While the webcomics that are part of the alliance are notable, the alliance itself doesn't appear to have received significant coverage in reliable sources; I was only able to find mentions. The article was previously kept at an AfD (well, VfD), but that was back in 2004 when standards were very different. toweli (talk) 10:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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merge to Webcomic#Webcomics collectives seems like the best bet? Hobit (talk) 21:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Besides a listing in the colofon of Webcomics (2005), I got nothing. The sources in the article aren't particularly reliable either, so there's nothing for us to say on Dumbrella I'm afraid. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If we cannot find prose sources on Dumbrella, describing it in the main Webcomic article seems unappropriate to me. I stick with deletion. If we had a List of webcomic collectives article, I suppose a redirect could've worked. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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While there's some coverage in connection with their powering of AO3, it's not ORG level and I don't see where it merits mention at Archive of Our Own since the one source isn't great. Opted against PROD due to its tenure, but this is a borderline A7 with no sourcing found to improve it. Star Mississippi 18:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:GNG and WP:HEY. Found lots of coverage via ProQuest (New Scientist, The Village Voice, New York Times, etc.). Started adding to the article which was in poor shape, was definitely worth fixing, and could still use further improvement. @Star Mississippi: Let me know if that's enough for now but anyway ProQuest is the place to look. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I can't access ProQuest, but I'll assume those are decent coverages. My library card might allow me access, I might just boot up their website and look... Otherwise, mentioned here [6], but that's not enough for notability. There's some coverage in Gscholar linked in the deletion template, but these are mentions only. Oaktree b (talk) 21:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b, if you log in to Wikipedia Library first, then launch ProQuest from that page, you should have the same access. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:55, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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