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:<big><big>Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will '''not''' be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! [[User:El_C|El_C]] 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)</big></big> |
:<big><big>Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will '''not''' be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! [[User:El_C|El_C]] 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)</big></big> |
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::<small>''Now also introducing '''[[User:El C/Buck Flower (security guard)|Buck Flower]]''', security guard'' (challenging times ahead!). [[User:El_C|El_C]] 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)</small> |
::<small>''Now also introducing '''[[User:El C/Buck Flower (security guard)|Buck Flower]]''', security guard'' (challenging times ahead!). [[User:El_C|El_C]] 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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== My indefinite topic ban == |
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I see that it was not wise to directly move what was a negative-leaning article on a marginally-notable individual out of the draft space. |
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I recognize that would have been wiser to leave it as a draft in that state, or go through the articles-for-creation review process for feedback. |
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The article was negative-leaning not by intent or vendetta, but by virtue of what information I found. |
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As for mentioning his fraud convictions in the lead of that article, I wrongly thought it was practice to mention past convictions in a lead section (or even lead sentence), as articles like [[Rod Blagojevich]], [[Chuck Turner]], [[B. Joseph Tully]], [[James A. Kelly Jr.]], [[Dennis Hastert]], [[Buddy Cianci]],, and many many others do. But I can see how this might not be best-practice to do for all articles, or most. |
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I do not write with intentional bias. For instance, when creating articles on Pete Buttigieg, my feelings towards him can best be described as mixed, if not negative. Yet I was the primary author of the “good articles” [[Pete Buttigieg]], [[Mayoralty of Pete Buttigieg]], [[2011 South Bend mayoral election]], and [[2015 South Bend mayoral election]], all of which pertain to the man. I also am not a big fan of [[Marty Walsh]], yet recently elevated his article from a crappy “start class” article to a balanced “b-class” article. |
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I made a slip-up with that article. I would appreciate it if my topic ban could be revised to a limited-period ban; rather than an indefinite one. I did not intend to cause any harm, and have learned to be wiser about articles such as that. [[User:SecretName101|SecretName101]] ([[User talk:SecretName101|talk]]) 18:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:I've got to suggest that anyone unable to distinguish between articles concerning ''senior political figures'' found guilty of public corruption or similar offences while in office, and one on a non-public figure of highly-disputable 'notability' receiving suspended sentences over relatively minor financial charges approaching forty years ago should in no way be permitted to permit biographies of living persons. More so after giving such an unconvincing account of why the biography in question was created in the first place. And as I noted over at WP:AN [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1051969259], I think there are legitimate grounds to question SecretName101's other editing habits. In my opinion, any revision of the topic ban would be inappropriate without prior scrutiny of SecretName101's broader contribution history. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 20:27, 26 October 2021 (UTC) |
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::"''anyone unable to '''distinguish'''....should in no way be permitted to permit biographies of living persons''" I have a learning difference. To me, it sound like you are saying that anyone who has occasional deficit should never be allowed to make any slip-up on this project, no matter the positive contributions they have made. Thanks for that. [[User:SecretName101|SecretName101]] ([[User talk:SecretName101|talk]]) 20:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC) |
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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.
Archived Discussions
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For you
El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
- Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
- Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...
- You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).
- Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).
- And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Oooo. Purdy!
Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Seasons Greetings
- Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Happy Groundhog Day
Happy day! Jehochman Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Chippies
El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Book?
Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time
2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4D (temporal)
3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity
4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma
Rev-dels
Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Romania
I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
And all I got was a ^^^
- Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
- Talk:Romania#RfC
- Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
- Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
- Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
- Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
- Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
- Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
- Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"
Precious anniversary
Three years! |
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--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Alte Liebe |
- Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
- That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Gerda's corner
To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- ♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
- Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Gerda's February corner
Hellebore |
Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yay for Green Opa! This made my day! El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yay for Green Opa! This made my day! El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Birds of a feather
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Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!) |
Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Helleborus orientalis |
happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR
@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Us
- User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)
"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"
"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"
Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Gerda loves subsections!
- Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- "making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- "making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Innisfree Garden |
- Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".
- I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
- "no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
- "no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Guess what, BWV 1 and BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.
Did you know ...
... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?
- One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
- One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Play Bach
How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- (As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- "You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- "at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- "at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- "You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Continuous disruptive editing by IP
Hi, I want to let you know about an on-going disruptive editing by an IP at 2021 Facebook outage page. Thanks, WikiLinuz (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
EDIT: Looks like they're also here, reverting your talk pages. WikiLinuz (talk) 17:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- And I didn't even read your msg before they changed Buck Flower into Fuck Flower! Which as far as vandalism goes, is pretty funny. As was their preemptive strike.
- But why did you contact me to begin with? That article wasn't on my watchlist. Did I otherwise do something related to the subject matter? Because if so, I do not recall it. El_C 17:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I usually contact the administrators directly to skip the drama. I see you listed under currently active admins and you happen to be my favorite pick this evening :) WikiLinuz (talk) 17:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, neat link. El_C 17:54, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I usually contact the administrators directly to skip the drama. I see you listed under currently active admins and you happen to be my favorite pick this evening :) WikiLinuz (talk) 17:52, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
-ana of the Day
In 1939, the Daughters of the American Revolution refused Marian Anderson permission to sing in Constitution Hall because of because. An outdoor gig was arranged instead. This seems to be the only surviving footage.
My Oath, but she was good. "Deep River", "Erbarme dich". (If you don't know the latter, it's a meditation on St Peter's remorse after his betrayal.) Narky Blert (talk) 18:27, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Narky Blert, My Oath, but she was good — I totally understood that (probably)! BTW, Gerda, Bach sighted! El_C 09:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
Note
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I thought I'd remind you of your actions here [3], [4], and invite you to check out this set of edits [5], [6],[7],[8]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.30.19.189 (talk) 21:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
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I don't understand what any of this has to do with me. There are noticeboards to lodge complaints at. If you look at WP:AEL, you'd see that I've sanctioned many users. It's presumptuous to expect me to follow up on each of them. And it's discreditable to make baseless accusations if I don't stand at attention. I'm not an employee of any of you. I am not an employee of Wikipedia. El_C 16:21, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
1RR
Ok, I have a problem; an editor makes two edits to Katamon a few hours apart:
I believe the editor broke 1RR (and Katamon is under 1RR), the editor in question apparently does not believe so (see the talk page). If I am wrong, then please WP:TROUT me; if not: please help me explain to the editor in question that he is wrong. (And, btw; I am not looking to sanction the editor over this in any way; my "goal" is just to make him (or me??) understand 1RR; cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:06, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) @Huldra: Looks like a 1RR vio, but they have self-reverted their last revert[9].VR talk 01:26, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- User:Vice regent: I know; as I said: I wasn't out to sanction anyone; I really just wanted to clear up if it (originally) was a violation, or not; Huldra (talk) 22:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Huldra, I don't want my talk page to become a spillover for noticeboards (see large text directly above this header), please spread the word. El_C 14:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, sigh, noted, Huldra (talk) 22:23, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, El C, I didn't understand the large text until now. Given the close proximity to all the music, I though it was a statement on your DJ policy. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 03:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, that did not occur to me. Amended. El_C 12:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ah!! I thought it was about the music too. Good to clarify! DeCausa (talk) 13:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I am taking music requests, but you do need to know what genre of music I feel like listening to at any given time. El_C 13:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ah!! I thought it was about the music too. Good to clarify! DeCausa (talk) 13:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, that did not occur to me. Amended. El_C 12:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
Thruppence for your thoughts
Jenny presumably ended up the DDR after WWII, changed her name, gave up her former career, and succeeded in a new one.
An Austrian baroness has preserved her memory. Narky Blert (talk) 18:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- My thoughts: I don't understand what's happening. Personally, I like Virginia a lot. Many good times there. And if I also happen to know the governor, maybe they'd be a cushy job for moi. Like, I dunno, Squirrel Inspector (an annual salary of $25 million would be aight), which I envision would mostly involve affirming to concerned citizens: yes, that is a squirrel. And so on and so forth (deep thoughts). El_C 20:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- 2.5 is an interesting number. Mene mene tekel upharsin translates as "one, one, shekel, half" - or in modern money, twopence ha'penny or 2½¢. Daniel was saying that the writing for Belshazzar was, quite literally, on the wall.
- Being a Brit, you cannot expect me soon to forget or forgive the genocidal behaviour of your invading beasts against Squirrel Nutkin. Narky Blert (talk) 20:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Dude, I can barely tell the difference between Duncton Wood and Watership Down — so, to wrap up this job interview, this is what will make me such an excellent Squirrel Inspector. Also, as I was telling Val yesterday, those 2.5 hours just flew by. Now watching Dunkey play Family Man / Peter Guy [Amend: sorry, it's 3.5 hours not 2.5, I miscounted. Extra amend: oh, part 2 is 2.5 hours long, maybe that confused me], so you see (SO YOU SEE...), it all adds up to a beautiful rainbow of stupid. 🌈 El_C 21:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- While on the topic of interminable novel sequences, have you ever played the Thomas Covenant Challenge? Each player takes one of the books, opens it at random, and starts reading. The winner of each round is the one who first spots the word "clench". Narky Blert (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- I'm embarrassed to say that I was unaware of the franchise/author. I remember I got a couple of those pre-RPG books where you roll a dice and shit to the page number/outcome. Fuck, I hate these so much (which is surprising, because I like RPGs). El_C 11:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Steve Jackson? I remember those. Narky Blert (talk) 11:43, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- I'm embarrassed to say that I was unaware of the franchise/author. I remember I got a couple of those pre-RPG books where you roll a dice and shit to the page number/outcome. Fuck, I hate these so much (which is surprising, because I like RPGs). El_C 11:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- While on the topic of interminable novel sequences, have you ever played the Thomas Covenant Challenge? Each player takes one of the books, opens it at random, and starts reading. The winner of each round is the one who first spots the word "clench". Narky Blert (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Dude, I can barely tell the difference between Duncton Wood and Watership Down — so, to wrap up this job interview, this is what will make me such an excellent Squirrel Inspector. Also, as I was telling Val yesterday, those 2.5 hours just flew by. Now watching Dunkey play Family Man / Peter Guy [Amend: sorry, it's 3.5 hours not 2.5, I miscounted. Extra amend: oh, part 2 is 2.5 hours long, maybe that confused me], so you see (SO YOU SEE...), it all adds up to a beautiful rainbow of stupid. 🌈 El_C 21:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
Autoconfirmed protection
Hello El C,
on 25 September 2021 you protected the page Diesel engine for ten days – apparently, this was not long enough… [10] Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 13:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
short desc
Hi there El C, how are you doing? Would you mind changing the short desc in Turkish War of Independence, as the page is still fully protected? Seems like nobody objects to my proposal in talk. Sincerely, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 07:02, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Hey. If there was positive support for it, maybe, but a lack of opposition isn't enough for me when the protection expires in 2 days anyway. El_C 11:35, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
BLPTALK violation?
Hi. I think you closed the recent Arbcom issue about BLPTALK violations at Talk:Israel lobby in the United Kingdom, brought by a user now blocked as a sock, who had redacted material on the talk page. This has now been un-redacted under the justification "rv sock". Do you know what the status of the material is? Should it be redacted or not? (Context: the redacted links include to SPSs purporting to doxx WP editors.) Thanks! BobFromBrockley (talk) 19:01, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- I re-redacted and revdel'd the edits with those problematic external links, BobFromBrockley. El_C 20:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Word of the Day
Poronkusema. Narky Blert (talk) 02:59, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Fin! El_C 07:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Also, FIM! El_C 14:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Another Nordic method of avoiding payment on a civil engineering contract. Narky Blert (talk) 18:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Also, FIM! El_C 14:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Rashmi Rocket film article
Please request to protect article some users spreading vandalism. Sush150 (talk) 05:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Sush150, protection requests are submitted to WP:RFPP/I. I've already attended to that request there, btw. El_C 07:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Sush150 (talk) 08:08, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
Thanks for your admin work! Always appreciate your wikignoming and reading your insights in discussions. Thought I'd share a kitten for an underappreciated editor. Cheers!
A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 08:35, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kitten, A._C._Santacruz! I appreciate your kind words very much. El_C 08:37, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Results from Icewhiz-led AE proceedings
Hi El C, I was wondering whether you think it worth me contesting my TBAN on the basis that the AE was written up by 11Fox11, a now condemned sockpuppet of Icewhiz,] and Geshem_Bracha supported by Geshem Bracha, another Icewhiz sockpuppet]? Clearly Icewhiz had no right to raise the AE itself, and, in hindsight, I was being pursued by a highly POV and experienced banned user gaming the system. I've tried to ask Callanecc, but I've just noticed they haven't been active since 14 October, and you have been more involved in AE cases since then. As you have noted, 11Fox11 subsequently withdrew their case against Selfstudier, though Icewhiz continued their efforts in the case raised by Hippeus in their case against ZScarpia. I think the fact that 11Fox11 raised an AE against me while another was still ongoing and without asking me to revert are definitely aspects of the case that now can be seen in a different light after the SPI. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:46, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Iskandar323, I was not involved in reviewing that AE case so I simply have no knowledge as to what it was about. El_C 12:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry
Pokémonfanxyz is a sockpuppet of Pritam kumar roni das. Their editing interest is nearly same and see this. This sock will ultimately get extended access very soon and will again resume the disruptions especially to the page Mon Phagun and other TV shows. Other confirmed socks were Pritam das 01022000 and Pritam Das 2000. Please block them. Thank you 2402:3A80:6F7:FE71:DCD8:69CE:4DCB:3B58 (talk) 16:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic
Hi can you please increase security level of Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, it's sovereignty is disputed with Morocoo and article is always under attack with vandalism and propaganda edits, This article should be indefinite semi-protected like Somaliland, Artsakh and other. Ytpks896 (talk) 21:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ytpks896, I don't think it's as bad as Somaliland was (see also the later WP:HORN). Surprisingly, a lot of the fairly intensive SADR-related disruption of a few months ago (I blocked multiple disruptive accounts and protected multiple related pages then) actually skipped the main SADR article itself. Which I found quite puzzling at the time. Anyway, I'm inclined to do nothing atm.
- While wrt activity it's a good candidate for WP:PC, it looks like enough editors watch that page to make it unnecessary. Feel free to drop me a line if things get worse (I notice the disruption on that page ebbs and flows) and I'll consider semiprotecting, but it probably won't be indefinitely. Before I finally indef semi'd Somaliland, there were 25 previous protections. Before another admin indef semi'd Republic of Artsakh (see also WP:AA2), it had 13 previous protections. Whereas the SADR page has had only 4 previous protections. Hope that makes sense. Regards, El_C 21:17, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
xxwiki
Sheesh, first a cywiki and now a viwiki 'crat indeffed from enwiki? What is it with these people, and some of the smaller Wikipedias? I suppose all we can do is encourage editors fluent in other languages to beef up their own Wikipedias, in the hope of building critical masses there (all puns intended). (I tried and failed with KIENGIR, but so it goes.) Hoping that WMF will do anything is like farting down a well and listening for the splash. </rant> Narky Blert (talk) 22:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Last year, I indeffed a Japanese wiki 'crat for FRINGE-driven hate speech, but I can't quite remember the who or the when. El_C 23:08, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Americana of the Day
WWII, about Lyudmila Pavlichenko (the Soviets favoured female snipers, as being more lethal than men) - Miss Pavlichenko.
Typical Woody song - catchy tune, socially aware (if atypically bloodthirsty) lyrics. Serious props to the guy on the fansite who spotted that obscure tune's reuse by a British post-punk band. Narky Blert (talk) 21:37, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
- HMHB regularly re-use obscure tunes, Nigel Blackwell is well-known for his knowledge of musical history. He'll quite often happily re-use lyrics as well, although usually in a satirical way (i.e "Chesil Beach, is far away in time", referring to the fact that the image on the cover of "Echo Beach" was actually a map of that English beach.) Black Kite (talk) 21:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
- Nice, Narky Blert! You know the key to my blood Red heart! Love Woody; prey to goddess Lyudmila Pavlichenko like a deity, or at least an angel of righteous vengeance.
- Also:
It sounds like a class rant but it's really because I am the landlord of the pub that gets the cemetery
— fuckin' brilliant! - Black Kite, now if only there was more funk and less punk, but damn, damn talented plagiarism (just at a glance, I didn't know HMHB existed until now). El_C 11:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Not just song lyrics either. The fansite was set up to work out where on earth NB10 was getting his quotes from. If you can think of another band who've referenced Euripides (not exactly mainstream for someone who left school at 16 with no qualifications) in a song ("We Built This Village on a Trad. Arr. Tune"), I'd be interested to know.
- HMHB are the only band I know of who've recorded a song about necrophilia - Excavating Rita. Don't miss the Hank Williams/Dylan pun (or the obvious BWJ quote).
- This is a seriously eclectic playlist for any radio show. Revisiting it after some years, I see that in the meantime I've written the article on one of those songs ("She Was Poor but She Was Honest"). Narky Blert (talk) 20:06, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- I have a 40-odd song HMHB playlist on my car MP3 player and it's my immediate go-to when I've had a grim day at work. It is frankly impossible to listen to "National Shite Day", "The Light at the End of the Tunnel" and "Joy Division Oven Gloves" and the world not be a better place afterwards. Black Kite (talk) 20:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- What sandwiches have you got? Narky Blert (talk) 21:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- I have a 40-odd song HMHB playlist on my car MP3 player and it's my immediate go-to when I've had a grim day at work. It is frankly impossible to listen to "National Shite Day", "The Light at the End of the Tunnel" and "Joy Division Oven Gloves" and the world not be a better place afterwards. Black Kite (talk) 20:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
The only one? That's good, Narky Blert. Stay innocent! I'm not gonna be the one to introduce you to horrorcore (probably). And speaking of being more lethal than men
, and in keeping to that promise, Smallz One is one Narcissistic Bitch (WARNING - DISTURBING CONTENT) you do not want to encounter in some proverbial alley... El_C 22:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Necrophilia is dead boring (whereas incest is only relatively boring). Narky Blert (talk) 22:22, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Zing!☻ El_C 00:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Edit warring over RM closure
If time permits, can you take a look there? One editor closed a RM, one of the participants reverted the closure. The closer reverted suggesting a move review request, the other editor reverted again. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:45, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Doo-wop of the Day
Licensing problems, perhaps? This track never seems to have made its way onto any Greatest Hits by the Clovers compilation. Narky Blert (talk) 18:06, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- Straight from the underground! El_C 22:57, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
I’m afraid the editor whose request to fully protect the page you accepted is acting in bad faith. Please, check the revision he was continually reverting. He is also biased and obsessed with adding Cristiano Ronaldo’s 2017 celebration to the history section, despite the lack of reliable sources confirming it had a lasting impact on the rivalry. Even so, despite my objections I kept his additions with slight modifications and that too was reverted before he complained to admins citing non-existent “vandalism”. Trackfan20 (talk) 06:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- Trackfan20, this isn't a subject with which I am familiar. My suggestion would be for both of you to refrain from accusing one another of bad faith conduct and address the matter on the article talk page (which neither of you have done). If somehow you reach an impasse there, there are dispute resolution requests you may avail yourself of, like Third opinion or a Request for comment. Good luck. El_C 09:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Gerda's October corner (resurrected)
Small request: on WP:ITNN, I moved a ready mark from the prose to the headers, but still nothing, - the whole thing (not only that article) hasn't moved in 4 days. The person (28 Sep) died the same day as the one who has been top for these days, and there were no major changes needed for him as well, - it looks unfair. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
I may have spoken too soon, - one more was moved in. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
... and now Amakuru moved him in as well - one of these days I want to turn to Psalm 15, - I hope they'll stop dying --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Going for a swim! El_C 15:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- Good for you! - I uploaded new pics (click on songs), including "our" concert (after exactly two years without) and a cow sunset --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:39, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Story: Once, kid me and a friend almost drowned in the Sea of Galilee. We swam stupidly and then the currents did not want to be our friend. After so many hours, we basically just stopped trying to fight it and focused on conserving the energy needed just to stay afloat. These kinds of currents are the main cause of drownings (usually due to exhaustion), with a few happening a year, and a few tens needing rescue. But anyway, then the current took us home (to shore), where much relief/freakout was had by all (military got scrambled for the search, it was intense). *** Nice pics! When Cow Man approves of a sunset, you know it's a sunset. El_C 14:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- (blushing, thank you) - Today: #1700, and I uploaded more images, mostly blue and green, for hope. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps you can help? Mordechai Geldman has a ref for his death in Hebrew, and I just added it without knowing what it says. Does it have a day, and perhaps place? Anything else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- OMG, I cannot believe how much Haaretz sucks, everytime anew. Their former art critic and they still paywall'd it. Just... beyond the pale. Anyway, Ynet says died in his home, which מרדכי גלדמן says was Tel Aviv. El_C 22:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- Two things you could do for me today if you have time: improve Geldman (source works and such), and go ahead for Psalm 15. Going out --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- Two things? That's more than one thing! Erm, WT:WikiProject_Quality_Article_Improvement/Psalms#15 Done. El_C 14:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, for both! Geldman is on the Main page! Working on the next 2 there. Evelyn Richter looks ready, but perhaps the six "on" stayed less than 24 hours. Updated pic counter, and after the next bio, I'll upload a few more, on a rainy day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
- Today: see yourself, read about a hymn praying to not be on earth in vain, about a comics artist whose characters have character (another collaboration of the "perennial gang", broken by one of us banned), and in memory of the last prima donna assoluta, Edita Gruberová. I had to go to two grave sites last week, one who died now, one who died 10 years ago, so standing upright and in black seems appropriate. More colours - but subdued - can be had on hikes, - updated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Mis-archive, noo! El_C 10:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- I never minded and just kept adding. DYK that three of the recent deaths mentioned on the Main page were improved by me, and today needs work on the fourth? Cheer me up. Sometimes we celebrate in the middle of the day a feast of a resurrection ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- Just don't call me The Necromancer. Here's a hymn (?) to brighten your day, bruh! We Bid You Goodnight (in the morning somehow!). El_C 11:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- I never minded and just kept adding. DYK that three of the recent deaths mentioned on the Main page were improved by me, and today needs work on the fourth? Cheer me up. Sometimes we celebrate in the middle of the day a feast of a resurrection ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- Mis-archive, noo! El_C 10:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- Two things? That's more than one thing! Erm, WT:WikiProject_Quality_Article_Improvement/Psalms#15 Done. El_C 14:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- Two things you could do for me today if you have time: improve Geldman (source works and such), and go ahead for Psalm 15. Going out --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- OMG, I cannot believe how much Haaretz sucks, everytime anew. Their former art critic and they still paywall'd it. Just... beyond the pale. Anyway, Ynet says died in his home, which מרדכי גלדמן says was Tel Aviv. El_C 22:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Lyrics:
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(Verse one)
(Chorus)
(Outro)
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Memories of Spain
- Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Resting: a compilation
The return of Remix surfing
- Face to Face (masks save lives) — El_C 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Air
Water
Fall songspam
All Along the Watchtower — El_C 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Oh My God! — El_C 00:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Poetry — El_C 12:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Paroles, paroles ("Words, words") — El_C 02:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Ebatule — El_C 14:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Europa (Earth's Cry Heaven's Smile) — El_C 00:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Booty Step — El_C 11:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Gymnopédie No. 1 → Arabesque No. 1 — El_C 10:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Raat Ne Main Baandhi Chhe — El_C 15:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Reza, Meu Bem — El_C 23:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Because — El_C 12:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Noite Longa — El_C 18:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Voce Me Apereceu — El_C 05:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Lodger → It Starts When We Disappear — El_C 15:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
One More Day — El_C 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Sing Song Kitty → Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Girls Love Kehlani → Table El_C 01:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Kkwy — El_C 01:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Convoy — El_C 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Black Water (studio) → Live (1974) — El_C 08:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Summertime → The House of the Rising Sun — El_C 13:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Bossa Esfera — El_C 13:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Down Man — El_C 13:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
The High Road — El_C 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Found You — El_C 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Quero ver — El_C 01:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
Raag Gawati (Dhan Dhan Bhag Hamare) — El_C 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
I Adore You — El_C 13:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Angola Anthem — El_C 18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Dopesnotfunkae — El_C 21:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Descarga for Tito — El_C 18:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Positive Notions — El_C 02:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
One — El_C 14:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Secret Sun — El_C 21:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Back Where It All Begins — El_C 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Riflessività — El_C 03:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Title 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 — El_C 16:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Tudo Que Você Podia Ser — El_C 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
Necessary Discrepancy — El_C 13:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Way Star — El_C 09:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
Lament — El_C 15:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Lovely Day — El_C 14:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
Alter Ego — El_C 11:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
עמוד האש — El_C 13:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Won't Pray Adagio → Angel's Serenade — El_C 20:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
The Distance — El_C 18:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Toxic — El_C 12:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
I'm the Man Who Loves You → Poor Places — El_C 07:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Money Trees (original) → Sembari Edit → DJ Dahi & DJ Rahki: Sample masters — El_C 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Creation & Destruction — El_C 14:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Fuck the System — El_C 22:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Esperar Pra Ver — El_C 10:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
- Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)