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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:

And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:

Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:

Love, El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings

Here's some peanuts for Hidey. He hasn't got any!

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

4 Tality Fractal

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4 D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Romania

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And all I got was a ^^^

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Thanks, Gerda!

El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have

Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's corner

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tagging me, El_C!

Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it!

It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him.

PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's February corner

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day!

El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birds of a feather

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Us

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda loves subsections!

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems.

Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guess what, ~~BWV 1 and~~ BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Play Bach

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello El C

I see you protected the pages we had edit war on. I wonder if this will check what is written in the edit war. I hope it won’t remain the last thing he wrote, because I didn’t want to give back anymore. I hope he will write correctly, that there will not be something left that is not true and vandalism. Please someone check out these 3 articles and decide what exactly is there. Thank you 89.172.36.162 (talk) 05:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Someone? Anyway, aimlessly reverting back and forth so many times in all those pages isn't helping anybody, regardless of what's what. All it does is destabilize those pages and flood their respective revision histories. As you know, the matter is currently being discussed at ANI, so that is where you should make your case. Thanks. El_C 05:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to say that it is stupid to protect a page, about leaving vandalism something that is not true and now that vandal is laughing, the administrator protected the page, and mine writes. That's what I wanted to say, someone should check the page later and correct it if it says incorrectly. 89.172.36.162 (talk) 05:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tell someone at that ANI discussion, IP. This isn't the venue. Both of you claim the other is a vandal, so I dunno, I'm stupid, I guess. El_C 05:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I said there I hope someone will check those three articles. Thank you 89.172.36.162 (talk) 05:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for removing

Hello there! Apologies for removing on this User talk:103.144.225.75 page that my sig color is blue. I didn't know that it was a joke when you said that but yes.. I'd also laugh when I saw your reasoning why you edited back so yeah. Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 06:32, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, Cornerstone2.0, all good. El_C 15:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brittaniania

While we're on the subject of Agitpop, the album which this song is from (released a year-and-a-half before Thatcher took office!) achieved a heady #144 on Billboard, so you may not know it. If you feel inclined, you can mouth "and me" during the pause. (I've still got the original album, and the stencil that came with it.) Narky Blert (talk) 16:54, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did not. Let's fucking go!

El_C 17:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TRB's commercially most successful song was "2-4-6-8 Motorway", which is perfectly enjoyable pop but nothing special. Their best song may be this, in a live performance on regional TV before it was released; 44 years later, and the fury still crackles through the screen. It got to #14, even though no-one on BBC Radio would play it except the late great John Peel.

I plan to introduce a topic related to my most recent article in a subsequent instalment. Narky Blert (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's good, but liked Power in the Darkness a lot more, tbh. BTW, John Peel sounds like he would have been super-fun to get wasted and listen to tunes with. El_C 21:58, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peel was one of the great radio DJs, and is much missed. I didn't always listen to him, but it was reassuring to know he was there. He had a very dry sense of humour, would listen to anything people sent him, and play a lot of it. He basically discovered reggae, punk and hip-hop for UK radio audiences. I could never get to grips with his love of hip-hop, but two out of three ain't bad. Einstürzende Neubauten anyone? See List of Peel sessions.

John Walters was also highly influential and a corrective. There's a story that after Peel had signed off one of his early Radio 1 broadcasts, during the psychedelic era, saying that he was off to commune with the flowers in the park, Walters was discovered on the floor of the broadcast booth laughing uncontrollably.

Peel's two favourite bands? Half Man Half Biscuit and The Fall. Narky Blert (talk) 22:35, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closely followed by The Wedding Present, I suspect. I am one of those that listened to Peel on my shitty radio in my bedroom as a child, and he certainly got me into the bands that make up the more unlistenable parts of my record collection. Black Kite (talk) 22:51, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where I lived as a kid, there was this guy who collected hundreds of records. After he was killed in the war, his parents turned his collection into a lending library for the neighborhood (with index cards and everything). I really owe a lot of my early music education (not playing music, I had a teacher) to his collection, borrowing a record a week for years (many of which he had ordered from overseas because they weren't available in the country at the time). El_C 23:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User script protection

Hi. I didn't understand your message "Technically unable to do so (only delete button displays for this page)." I'm thinking something to do with an admin tool? Is there any workaround? (page: User:DaxServer/BooksToSfn.js) — DaxServer (talk) 18:49, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if there's a workaround, DaxServer. I've never encountered anything of the sort before. El_C 21:59, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) User scripts (among certain other pages, see WP:PPINDEF) are automatically protected by the MediaWiki software so that only the user and interface admins can edit them, which is why you weren't able to change protection. Regular administrators can delete those pages, but that's about it. clpo13_(talk) 22:14, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's interesting. Thanks for the info! — DaxServer (talk) 08:53, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since you are active

Do you think this qualifies for revdel? Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:39, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

bbbbbbb El_C 17:49, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wise and eloquent as ever. Thank you very much, El C! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:52, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me my nonsense as I also forgive the nonsense of those who think they talk sense. --Robert Frost. El_C 18:17, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Boo!

Happy Halloween!

Hello El C:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
—usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 22:28, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Usernamekiran, I'm already super-scared. I've peered into the eyes of a Guga! El_C 23:17, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

lol yes. Sometimes, it feels like eyes from some paintings are watching you, right? I mean, usually photographs don't have that effect. It's like the subject's soul enters the painting or something like that. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 06:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, Vlad the Impaler's got nothing on Guga! El_C 11:44, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, Usernamekiran, forgot to mention. If you really wanna get scared, my man Nexpo has got the goods. I recently watched LOCAL58: The Broadcast Station that Manipulates You and What are The Walten Files?. and holy shit! Hollywood can learn a thing or two from Nexpo and the film makers (whose genres I often can't even define) he curates so masterfully. Not for the faint of heart. El_C 09:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Watched them the other night, can confirm, very spooky and yes not for the faint of heart. ...Walten Files is captivating, and I loved the style of LOCAL58. — Wug·a·po·des 00:26, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You've got mail

Hello, El C. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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MoonlightVector

I came across this editor's userpage earlier today and redacted sensitive information. I just wanted to stop by here and say that the information I saw lead me to believe that this editor will be not as disruptive two years from now. I would have been the same way just a couple years ago. I gave them some advice. Feel free to respond if you don't think it was good. I am not sure if you were aware (you probably were). Scorpions13256 (talk) 04:40, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note, Scorpions13256. Good advice. Best, El_C 09:11, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just because I like it

Gary U.S. Bonds - Love's on the Line".

Good album. Useful backing band (I miss the horn player). Narky Blert (talk) 06:31, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, I was unaware of Gary U.S. Bonds. But he isn't really my cup of T. And generally Bruce, too, to the point of it becoming a running gag amongst our group of friends. In fact, concurrently upon adding O Mary Don't You Weep to the songspam, I sent a mass spam email that read: Holy shit, I finally found a Bruce Springsteen thing I like! (Cheers and jeers followed.) El_C 09:22, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Minor musician, but The Boss often used to close out his shows with "Quarter to Three", and gave him enough songs for two albums plus his and the band's time as payback. {He's credited on the album cover as Rusty Springboard.) Typical of a generous man who's never forgotten his roots.

Love that video of "O Mary". If you don't know Nebraska, try it; Springsteen solo, mainly in reflective rather than rocker mood. Narky Blert (talk) 10:01, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, I wasn't familiar with it. Listened to Nebraska (song). Don't get me wrong, it's nice, but Harvest Moon it ain't. It just doesn't really do it for me. Yeah, I heard Bruce is a decent guy. El_C 10:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find it (it appears to be out of print and it isn't on Spotify), Badlands: A Tribute to Bruce Springsteen's Nebraska is one of the better tribute albums. The Ani DiFranco, Chrissie Hynde and Son Volt tracks are particuarly strong (IMO). Black Kite (talk) 11:37, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Found it, Black Kite. Wow, impressive lineup. El_C 11:49, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Woot! I don't know that album. Narky Blert (talk) 20:50, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El Clásico protection

Hi El_C, I hope you're doing well! Thanks for the ongoing song recs Just wanted to let you know that your protection at El Clásico recently expired. Thanks, DanCherek (talk) 11:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Doing good, Dan. Glad you're liking the tunes! Thanks for umpdate, I guess...

El_Clásico 11:59, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, I noticed the coincidence... involved? Anyway, to put this random message in context, I edited the page and then noticed that you'd asked for a reminder, in case you wanted to restore the semi-protection. DanCherek (talk) 12:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Too slow, recent-past-me! Damn, need more coffee. El_C 12:20, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Korean War pages requiring protection

Thank you for protecting Battle of Chosin Reservoir, Hungnam evacuation. I also request similar protection of Second Phase Offensive and UN retreat from North Korea which have been experiencing similar issues. Mztourist (talk) 15:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not seeing why it's needed at UN retreat from North Korea exactly. And on Talk:Second Phase Offensive#Obviously the miles should be added in, I don't really understand your objections. Do you consider https://www.royal-irish.com/ to be a reliable source for this? If so, it can be cited for that (maybe with attribution); if other sources' figures vary, they can be cited, too, for an approximate range. But the IP isn't oblige to provide multiple sources. Reliable is reliable. El_C 15:43, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at Talk:UN retreat from North Korea you'll see an IP trying to right great wrongs but more focussed on berating me than adding a reliable source into the body to support the assertions. On Second Phase Offensive the wording the IP added here: [3] to make it read "Over the next two months, the Second Phase Offensive forced all UN forces to go on the defensive and retreat some 200 miles, losing not only Pyongyang but Seoul to the enemy troops for the second time in the war. China had recaptured nearly all of North Korea by the end of the Offensive on 24 December 1950." making it a direct copy from the https://www.royal-irish.com/ which states "Over the next two months, UN forces would retreat some 200 miles, losing not only Pyongyang but Seoul to the enemy for the second time in the war and the Chinese recaptured nearly all of North Korea by the end of the Offensive on 24 December 1950". Yes I do have a problem with www.royal-irish.com because it starts with "Over the next two months, UN forces would retreat some 200 miles" when the offensive began on 25 November and ended on 24 December 1950, that's one month. Also Seoul wasn't lost in the Second Phase Offensive, the Third Battle of Seoul was 31 December 1950 to 7 January 1951. So www.royal-irish.com confuses these close, but separate offensives. As I said on the Talk Page if 200 miles is correct then there should be no problem finding other sources. Mztourist (talk) 15:59, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I removed and WP:REVDEL'd that WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE WP:COPYVIO (diff), which should have been the first thing to mention. About berating: I need diffs+quotes — it isn't really reasonable to expect me to read a lengthy talk page. I'm sorry, I just don't have the time. Anyway, if you've reached an impasse on the article talk page, maybe get a Third opinion...? Unfortunately, this isn't an area with which I am especially familiar. El_C 16:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I only noticed the CCI just now when reading the two side by side. Hopefully ;) the IP will complain about you now! Mztourist (talk) 16:33, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, they would need to write their own prose, regardless. But as for what www.royal-irish.com confuses and whether it is even a reliable source — not sure on both counts. El_C 16:37, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

utrs 50241

Hey! UTRS appeal #50241. I be praising the Lord and asking him to deliver this poor soul form their, well you done seen it. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:10, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RE: "macro-evolution" — I just have a difficult time knowing how to respond to such epistemological reductionism, DFO. Clearly, we have the inanimate (an electron, a hat), with the continuum complexying toward the animated (a virus, a cat), and all the way to sentience (a gorilla, a person). Some futurists also posit an eventual conscious universe, with 'thinking matter' spreading in the way that, say, strange matter is thought to and so on (by cosmic touch, if you will). Beyond that, the 'totality of all' vis-à-vis God is more a discussion that's within the realm of theology than anything which could, even in theory, be made explicable.

Ultimately, then, such a stance is more a feeling than a pursuit that demands rigorous study. With which comes a growing risk of devolution (back to Dark Ages, away from Renaissance). At least philosophically, because obviously Iran has scientists, so in the day-to-day, they just double-speak the philosophy when pressed due to state coercion. Oh, and does current Afghanistan even have a national anthem, because that would be music, right? El_C 16:31, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Someone probably said it before, but I got it from Glen Cook, that no religion makes sense, even to its adherents. So, we must take it on faith that <insert creed here>. And yes, the religious authorities (Sanhedrin) hated Jesus in his day, cause he discredited their authority, and today they (we know who they are) wish to discredit Science for the same reason. Rare is that individual (or maybe not so rare) that can believe <insert creed here> in their heart while having and understanding and accepting head knowledge that the religious <Holy book of choice> thumpers feel threatened by. They very much wish to reset the world to that simpler time when you daren't disagree with them. And this is why I rebuked that UTRS guy much as Paul rebuked Cephas . And of course, it all boils down that one's personal faith is not the rock upon which Wikipedia is built. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:52, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And sometime a statue just gets lucky!

The Equestrian Statue of Marcus Aurelius in Rome owes its preservation on the Campidoglio to the popular mis-identification of Marcus Aurelius, the philosopher-emperor, with Constantine the Great, the Christian emperor.

Free day — elevated debate. El_C 17:47, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The doctor said give him jug band music

Foldin' bed

I just hope those jugs didn't hold jake. Narky Blert (talk) 20:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's only one Jug, Narky Blert. El_C 15:58, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Socks are back

El C, editor Pritam kumar roni das has again started editing from new account Serialbongo evident from their editing pattern and interests (They both have uploaded TV serial posters without licenses, editing List of Pokémon anime characters, and adding unverified information to Star Jalsha and Zee Bangla TV shows. For reference, User_talk:El_C#Sockpuppetry. Thanks. 42.106.236.200 (talk) 15:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The sock has been confirmed by CU but not blocked. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Pritam kumar roni das 2402:3A80:6D2:6ACA:FEE3:2536:10A:7FE9 (talk) 03:18, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delays? Why does your talk page stalker (me...) need to report everything to RfPP? At least protecting might be a simpler solution than playing whack-a-mole. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delays! BTW, RandomCanadian, Pups Alone starring Dolph Lundgren, Jennifer Love Hewitt and Rob Schneider is now out. You're welcome. El_C 14:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Expect Snuh this week

El_C 14:07, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bottleneck at Capel Curig.

The Lyrics Project has never worked out whether one line is "Neil Morrissey's a knobhead" or "Neil, Morrissey's a knobhead". Narky Blert (talk) 21:22, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) The latter. You are welcome. -Roxy the sceptical dog. wooF 08:07, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Roxy, I owe you quite a few *woofs* from lately, so here, I'm paying my tab and even depositing an additional small number for a positive balance. El_C 16:51, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Narky, sorry but I'm Powderfinger'ing this joint! El_C 16:51, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One of Neil's very best. Narky Blert (talk) 16:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Npa

Hi El C, hope you're doing well. Not to disturb you, but I honestly didn't think I should be even bringing obvious troll and ethnically charged cases to ANI. A while back, an edit-warring IP from Van cat started personally and racially attacking me in their talk page. I tried to inform the admin who previously protected the page, but I got no response. Today I wake up to see the IP follow me and rant under my post in the admin's page, again with the same weird ethnic and racially charged attacks/assumptions. The IPs "contributions to the project are mainly edit-wars in Van cat using different with different ranges [4], [5], [6]. I would very much appreciate if you could take a look. Regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 07:11, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ZaniGiovanni, best to find an admin who is good at setting range blocks. If you want to link to a range, I'm willing to consider it (wrt collateral, at least, though no guarantees about effectiveness). El_C 09:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your time El C. Although I understand that maybe taking this to appropriate venues would've been the more formal way, I just thought their comments were pretty self-explanatory. If by ranges you mean exact numbers, here:

88.230.173.190 (talk · contribs)

88.230.176.200 (talk · contribs)

88.230.169.26 (talk · contribs)

Regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 09:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, I mean a single WP:RANGE that encompasses all of them. Sorry, if you don't know what that is, I'm probably not to best admin to assist you with this. El_C 10:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, I didn't know about the WP:RANGE. I'll open an AN case, thanks for the help. Regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:21, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's November corner

November songs

In November, I can offer some reading, - three feast days in a row, reformation followed by All Saints' and All Souls. On All Saints, we sang in choir in a mass - a 2021 first - and rehearsed (with the other group) for the next such thing next Sunday. All Souls is the birthday of the subject of my first article who will play a major concert on 14 November. Today we "celebrate" the first DYK for which LouisAlain laid the base in a German sandbox, - needlessly complicated but working. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Super Gothic (image attached). El_C 10:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The 19th century probably thought they were superior to the real Gothic ;) - Did you know that the first attempt to build that church collapsed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The duck ponds have had their revenge! I'm currently reading (slowly) Matthew Kneale's Rome: A History in Seven Sackings (2017), so let's just say that the Goths (Visi and Ostro), well, they make an appearance... El_C 10:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, "duck ponds" tells me nothing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The collapse was due to the foundation being laid where there were once ponds... El_C 10:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see ;) - I read "duck" here so often not meaning ducks that I was mislead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User continue the same motive after ban

Hey El C, just wanted to let you know that the user ‎Çerçok continues with the same behavioral motive after his ban - WP:IDHT, tried to add WP:COATRACK material and accusing about omitting intentionally certain people etc.[7]. I know that WP:BALKANS policies are very strict with disruptive users so could you have a look? Thanks Othon I (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Othon I, maybe you both can agree to get a Third opinion and to step away for a bit from the page until that's ready...? Might as well deal with the underlining content that's contested once and for all. El_C 10:11, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Englandiana

Regrettably, there seems to be no early recording of this piece of caustic social commentary: "They're Moving Father's Grave to Build a Sewer"; clearly English music hall, if I'm any judge.

I've known the tune they segue into at the end, "My Old Man (Said Follow the Van)" since I was a child. (A song about a moonlight/midnight flit; we have no article; a house move out of office hours, performed the day before the rent collector brought the bailiffs in.) It was most famously sung by the great Marie Lloyd, for whom see Marie Lloyd#Risqué reputation and transatlantic tours 1st para. Narky Blert (talk) 23:30, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't say the musical style is really up my alley, but thanks, this is nonetheless good stuff! El_C 10:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Nigerian editor

I was recently emailed through WP by a Nigerian editor. I did my own checks - and it seems that he really is someone who liked one of my articles and wants help in improving his editing skills, rather than being a prince who just needs some ready cash to unlock his family's fortune. So, I gave him what advice I could, rather than forwarding the email to ARBCOM with a satirical covering note.

Anyway, the experience reminded me of this classic from 2002. I don't have the patience to run that sort of exchange, but admire anyone who does. Enjoy! Narky Blert (talk) 19:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This calls for a General Ham Alvis celebration!

at the ready. El_C 19:36, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the 2000s, I was phoned by someone from the M$ help centre who informed me that my PC was infected with something serious. Concerned, I followed his instructions until he asked me to set up a direct link. After a few minutes of confusion, I explained that I couldn't do what he was asking for because I didn't have an Internet connection (which was true).

Some years later, after being pestered by yet more calls from M$, I asked the guy who runs my offie to translate an English sentence for me into Hindi, and he obliged. The next time I got a call, I used it. The caller was so keen to do business with me that he tried to ring me back 5 times within the next 15 minutes. Honestly, some people! All I'd said was, "I'm sorry you have such a small penis". Narky Blert (talk) 20:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've been using Ham Alvis as my name to phone spammers for a while now. But I kinda suck at scambaiting. I never seem to act excited/alarmed enough, so rarely do I even make it to the 2nd tier. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 20:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Mabe. Narky Blert (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha!

El_C 21:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Need Assistance

User Aj Indiana was blocked for 2 weeks by you on 15:03, 15 October 2021 for being disruptive and edit warring [8]. After 2 weeks, user didn't change his attitude and has been constantly involved in edit warring where multiple users have warned him on his talk page. He was again blocked on 16:11, 30 October 2021 for a period of 36 hrs [9]. But again the user has continued edit warring on multiple pages including Ranjit Singh where he inserts disputed information with unreliable sources and extremely poor grammar. He has been referred to take discussion to talk page where the topic is in place but he ignores it and continues to revert changes as he seems appropriate. Here is the latest warning he received [10] but still user isn't showing any improvement. He needs to be blocked indefinitely. Three times is a strike. MehmoodS (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MehmoodS, what is your actual objection to the addition/its sources? Please answer that on the article talk page (not here). You are edit warring, too, and Wikipedia isn't baseball but in any case there needs to be four reverts to exceed WP:3RR. El_C 20:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:El_C Objection is that there was edit warring by Aj Indiana and other user Ar1a1yan where Aj Indiana wants to claim Ranjit Singh's background as Jat while the other user have used sources that state that Ranjit Singh's background as Sansi [11]. Their is dispute about this information among many historians and one author actually mentions about this dispute here [12]. So to avoid edit warring, the background information was removed as proven disputed by this source. I have also mentioned this on the article's talk page section "Family was Sansi Sikh or Jatt Sikh or Neither is disputed". But the user Aj Indiana doesn't address this dispute discussion on talk page. He has reverted the changes to way he likes which to claim Ranjit Singh's background as Jat and that is why I thought to take your assistance.MehmoodS (talk) 21:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I blocked indef, MehmoodS. El_C 01:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. But looks like the user created another account Mohmood20 [13] and he is using it to impersonate me. Even going as far as redirecting his account to mine [14]. This is clear that his intention is to jeopardize my account. I have reported him on sockpuppet investigation. [15]. But any quick assistance in blocking account of Mohmood20 indefinitely would be the right solution. Fact that he redirected the page to mine is clear violation. MehmoodS (talk) 09:29, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. But please no more mobile diffs, I can't take it anymore! El_C 12:02, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Sorry, I wasn't close to PC so sent message via phone. But I will make note of it. Thanks again. MehmoodS (talk) 12:12, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion request

Hi El C, would you mind giving your input as a third opinion in this discussion? Regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 09:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, ZaniGiovanni, that isn't really something I do. El_C 10:14, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I took it to WP:THIRD. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:23, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the edit protection

Thanks for edit protecting the article I requested, I thought indefinitely would be better but it was my first protection request so I just went for what’s happened to the page previously. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia DirkJandeGeer (talk) 16:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, DirkJandeGeer. Glad I could help. El_C 16:01, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just because I like it

The original, for reference purposes.

Balding old man sticks his foot on the monitor and the kids in his backing band melt into puddles of sweat. Narky Blert (talk) 18:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Narky, I've watched that Dick Dale video multiple times through the years! 360p? Hit me with it! El_C 22:10, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All of The A-Z of John Peel is worth a watch, even if you disagree with him. Narky Blert (talk) 23:11, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I recognize like three artists on that list.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Wow, Santa is pissed. El_C 23:16, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Follow up on a user you blocked

in relation this to your block of user 49.180.171.190 and that user’s request for unblock, [16], [17], would you mind taking a closer look and seeing if the ip user is the same person as User:Nvtuil and User:Sinwiki12? Like the ip user, nvtuil has been editing exclusively from a mobile device and on his user homepage also says he is from australia. When it comes to Sinwiki12 the ip user seems to suggest that he is the same person as the registered user in this edit [18] and draws on a spelling convention that is specific to Australian English - note the use of the word s instead of z [19]. All three users share the same geopolitical points of view, have edited on the same pages (this is what tipped me off that they might be the same person) and consistently fail to write content in a neutral way by not attributing the things they are writing to the authors and works that they are using. I don’t know if impersonating accounts or this sort of thing is allowed and what the penalties are but i have to think there has to be something that can be done about it given the tremendous amount of disruption that this type of activity can cause to the encyclopedia Estnot (talk) 06:58, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Estnot, I'm not a CU, so that'd be a matter for WP:SPI. Otherwise, the IP's unblock request and post-block comments are so lengthy as to effectively be rendered unreadable to me, so I'm not gonna bother with any of that. HTH. El_C 14:51, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A personal anthem

Elvis Costello & The Attractions - (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding.

A cover, but IMAO greatly superior to the original by Brinsley Schwarz - a tighter band, and Elvis' producer avoided the *lightbulb* ideas of adding BVs at the words "sweet harmony" and the maudlin spoken bit for the benefit of anyone who hasn't been paying attention.

There's an entertaining video of The Boss playing it live, during which assorted people (perhaps attracted in from the street outside by the racket?) wander onto the stage to sing a line or two each. (The relentless drummer ruins it for me, though.) Narky Blert (talk) 21:24, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I could never get into Elvis Costello (no Springsteen-like discovery yet); indeed, the Brinsley Schwarz version is better.

Like The Boss with John Fogerty, Dixie Chicks, Jackson Browne, Eddie Vedder, Dave Matthews, and Bonnie Raitt. El_C 00:04, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EC has got a bit fat'n'old, but is his younger days he could get pretty angry. "Less Than Zero" is about that POS Oswald Mosley, and "Oliver's Army" is about The Troubles (Oliver is Oliver Cromwell).

Do you know "Shipbuilding"? It's about the 1982 Falklands War. "Take me to task" refers to the Falklands Task Force; for "someone got filled in", the Wiktionary definition quotes this song. Elvis' version; though if you prefer the version by Robert Wyatt or the one by Tasmin Archer that's OK by me. Narky Blert (talk) 16:58, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I was unaware he was on the side of good (markedly). Still, the music itself just doesn't do it for me. Lacks, I dunno... melodic potency or whatever. El_C 17:25, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My deaf spot is postwar jazz. Some years ago, BBC Radio 3 broadcast two of Duke Ellington's Sacred Concerts. I had to switch off after 20 minutes, it was genuinely getting physically uncomfortable, even though I can listen to a lot of the most dissonant stuff imaginable. (I once played through the whole of Metal Machine Music on YouTube; only the once, because I didn't think it worth a second listen.) I know, my loss. Narky Blert (talk) 20:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. If it doesn't have a decent melodic bent, it probably isn't for me. It's one thing to listen to something maybe once just to appreciate its aesthetic, it's a whole other thing to really ride the flow (i.e. unlike when the Flo Rida's you). El_C 20:22, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All the mods on the site where I used to be one agreed that spammers and trolls should be compelled to use serialised email addys and/or usernames. We never could persuade management, though. Narky Blert (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Narky, I was unable to follow your train of thought there. El_C 13:15, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of the SPI you linked. Behavioural evidence if best, but if you can back it up with standardised usernames of the form Spammer001, etc. it makes life a whole lot easier (especially when searching). Narky Blert (talk) 13:25, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, l_C. Florida Man doesn't need confessions, though, He operates by sheer instinct! El_C 13:31, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jai Bhim

Thanks for letting me know, I did actually miss that link at the very bottom. However I don't think we should restore the text since the first half is a copyvio of the linked source, and the rest (everything after "In reality...") appears to be original research. I didn't warn the user for unsourced content but I think I should maybe put a notice about copyright. RA0808 ^talk _contribs 00:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks for letting me know. I'll do the things. El_C 00:49, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, hopefully that did the trick. BTW, RE: The movie is based on real life incidents which happened in the 1990s in Cuddalore district of Tamil Nadu and the accused police man in the real incident did not belong to Vanniyar community — news18 needs to hire better writers! El_C 00:56, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suspicious new user

I saw your block of ArtaXerxes58 and their socks,[20] and I noticed a new user, Al Ameer27.6. Said new user's edits oddly mirror ArtaXerxes58 and their socks.

Your thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:06, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Block, protect as I encounter em. El_C 18:25, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blunt incivility straight off the bat

This is what user:D.Lazard posted, straight off the bat (under a feigned "third opinion" comment[21]), in reponse to user:HistoryofIran at the Talk:Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi page.

"HistoryofIran disputes this edit. In this disputes, HistoryofIran uses only procedural arguments, whithout discussing whether King's opinion is notable enough for being mentioned in Wikipedia. Moreover the name "HistoryofIran" suggest that he is not neutral on this subject, and that he is here for pushing Iran's official point of view (possible WP:COI)."

I find this to be a pretty gross violation of WP:NPA, WP:BATTLE and WP:AGF. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:08, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

LouisAragon, looks like they've been already

Warned. But generally, unless of an especial urgency, I'd prefer for you to submit reports of this nature to noticeboards rather than over here. El_C 13:14, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Destiny

See also: User:El C/Songs from new lands, User:El C/Songs from the homeland

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oceanic feeling

Everyone is Everyone (and Everything is Everything). El_C 23:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics:

(Intro)

Somehow I found myself here today

Awakened to these thoughts and feelings

Or an oceanic sense of lucid dreaming?

A strange sort of spherical sensation

With an overwhelming sense of apprehension

An emptiness that thunders out

From beyond the mind's horizon

So far beyond our reach

Where consciousness coalesces

Like the billowing loom of thunder clouds

The streaming runs of thought goes

'Round and 'round and 'round

Till the dancing funnels of wind touch down

And the earth bows down in reverence

Lest it should be torn to pieces

And blown into oblivi-essence

And all who live will run and hide

And do what we’ve done since the dawn of time

Everyone flees from the cyclone winds of

One's own mind

But if one day we should stand on the canyon’s edge

Peer out through the beating rain, the pounding wind

You'll find that everyone is everyone

And everything is everything

(Verse one)

Open up

Your hearts and minds

'Cause I remember

Nothing

One day now

It all falls down

But love must keep on

Loving

So start the show

Here we go

(Chorus)

Dark to light

The day from night

A roll of a mountain

A rip in the sky

Turning the dust to flesh

And ashes to breath

A pull of a muscle

A pin in the eye

An initial spark

To get this heart of mine pumping

And another

To get these feet of mine running

But sadly they've just taken me

To a place

Where all is devoid

Of your embrace

So baby now we're falling

Baby now you're falling

Baby yeah, yeah

Baby now we're falling, baby yeah

Tripping and tumbling

Flipping and fumbling

Flowing on the rivers of sadness

That have been forever rumbling

But from dawn until now

Of all the paths that I could have gone down

Of all the valleys

That I could have been flowing through

In spite of all the chaos

And all that has come between us

How is it I still find myself

Here with you

(Outro)

So somehow we find ourselves here today

A feeling in this oceanic sense of lucid dreaming

A strange sort of spherical sensation

An emptiness that thunders out

From beyond the mind's horizon

And all of us, we run and hide

Do what we've done since the dawn of time

Peering out through the beating rain

The pounding wind

Everyone is everyone

And everything is everything

Serrado. El_C 23:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Live with Me. El_C 23:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

River Man. El_C 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Memories of Spain

Tomatito & Michel Camilo (2000)

Hooni (2012)

Olivier Castellat (2010)

Stevie Wonder (2008 live)

Gary Valenciano (2017 vocals)

Chick Corea and Return to Forever (1973 original) / Live performance (date unknown, but laterer)

El_C 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resting: a compilation

Flite — El_C 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Void — El_C 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What Is This — El_C 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WhipTail — El_C 10:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tell Me Where — El_C 10:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing Nice — El_C 22:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Posição — El_C 10:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quiet Nights — El_C 10:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Feel Free — El_C 02:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Limmertz (Hello, guitar! Hello, Good Waves) — El_C 10:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Que Se Sepa — El_C 10:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mina Do Condominio — El_C 10:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On Sight — El_C 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The return of Remix surfing

Be Honest — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wade in the Water — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summertime Ride — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This Thing — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Barrio — El_C 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'll be Tracer... — El_C 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

O Mary Don't You Weep — El_C 11:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Intersection — El_C 18:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inside — El_C 05:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cosmix — El_C 15:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let Me In — El_C 15:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Find You — El_C 13:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bossa 31 — El_C 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 13:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just The Two Of Us — El_C 00:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unless You Love Me — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A New Born Day — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inspiration Zone El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Elektric City — El_C 13:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kiss from a Rose — El_C 06:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Golden — El_C 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mozalounge — El_C 20:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorrow — El_C 13:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Be With You — El_C 14:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Everybody Knows — El_C 10:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Butterfly — El_C 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guilty Pleasure — El_C 09:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Bossa — El_C 15:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Legend — El_C 18:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Who — El_C 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Losing My Way ^{London (2019)} — El_C 15:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Forever — El_C 16:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brother to Brother — El_C 01:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

'Round Midnight — El_C 06:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Close Your Eyes — El_C 18:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar

Whipping Post→Mountain Jam — El_C 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Into the Sun — El_C 14:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

April — El_C 14:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Desire And The Comforter — El_C 04:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fire on the Mountain — El_C 12:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Go Go — El_C 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Broken Promised Land — El_C 15:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mediterranean Sundance / Rio Ancho — El_C 18:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eternity's Breath, Pt. 1, Pt. 2 — El_C 21:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Say the Brother's Name — El_C 22:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drifting — El_C 22:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Epic — El_C 05:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Little Wing — El_C 13:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bold As Love — El_C 13:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moonlight Sonata (3rd Movement), Tina S ^{Dr.Viossy — El_C 16:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)}[reply]

Reba, Brother, Glide, Rift — El_C 22:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How Insensitive (Wes Montgomery), Pat Martino, Grant Green — El_C 02:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

White Rabbit — El_C 13:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Telegraph Road — El_C 21:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yours Is the Light — El_C 23:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Burning Bridges → Mudmen — El_C 13:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

16/16 — El_C 03:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Achilles Last Stand — El_C 12:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

La Grange — El_C 03:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

White Room — El_C 00:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tupelo (Albert King, Pops Staples, Steve Cropper), JLH — El_C 00:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Soul — El_C 03:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My Inspiration — El_C 12:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Our Spanish Love Song — El_C 20:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change of Life — El_C 02:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reunion — El_C 12:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Montevideo — El_C 02:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Treacherous Cretins (studio), Copenhagen (1979) — El_C 12:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Arabia→Hasta Siempre, Comandante→Arabia — El_C 20:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Star — El_C 16:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tangled Up in Blue — El_C 02:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Face to Face (masks save lives) — El_C 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Bossa — El_C 22:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Under the Milky Way — El_C 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wish You Were Here (studio), Pulse — El_C 02:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Albert's Shuffle, His Holy Modal Majesty — El_C 14:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cārukeśī, Sunset Road (studio) / Sunset Road (Live Art) — El_C 09:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gimme Shelter — El_C 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Great Gig in the Sky (Pulse) — El_C 20:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eyes of The World — El_C 03:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Morning Dew — El_C 14:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Sky → Kind of Bird — El_C 18:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Troubled → Been All Around This World — El_C 14:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While My Guitar Gently Weeps (JHB) — El_C 14:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

La Sirena — El_C 12:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Landlady — El_C 12:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dope-A-Licious — El_C 00:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Air

Unveiled — El_C 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Portia — El_C 23:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El Niño — El_C 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jungle Strut — El_C 09:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dialogos → San Lazaro — El_C 16:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Has Come Around — El_C 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In a Sentimental Mood — El_C 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Rondo à la Turk — El_C 22:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

La Fiesta — El_C 10:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, It Has No Chance (etc.) — El_C 12:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Skin — El_C 13:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Manhã de Carnaval — El_C 21:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dawn: Dawn Is A Feeling — El_C 11:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In My Own Way — El_C 19:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Caged Bird — El_C 10:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Around the Bend — El_C 15:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

House of the Rising Sun — El_C 00:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prism #1 — El_C 11:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Water

Deep down → Secret Blue — El_C 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Familiar — El_C 05:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Feel It All Around — El_C 11:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What If This Storm Ends? — El_C 18:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promise — El_C 23:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breathless — El_C 09:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Waves — El_C 17:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Power of Love → Vision is a Naked Sword — El_C 00:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Running Away — El_C 11:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On a Clear Day (You Can See Forever) — El_C 23:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jack-A-Roe — El_C 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fall songspam

All Along the Watchtower — El_C 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh My God! — El_C 00:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Poetry — El_C 12:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Paroles, paroles ("Words, words") — El_C 02:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ebatule — El_C 14:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Europa (Earth's Cry Heaven's Smile) — El_C 00:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Booty Step — El_C 11:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gymnopédie No. 1 → Arabesque No. 1 — El_C 10:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Raat Ne Main Baandhi Chhe — El_C 15:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reza, Meu Bem — El_C 23:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Because — El_C 12:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Noite Longa — El_C 18:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Voce Me Apereceu — El_C 05:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lodger → It Starts When We Disappear — El_C 15:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One More Day — El_C 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sing Song Kitty → Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Girls Love Kehlani → Table El_C 01:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kkwy — El_C 01:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Convoy — El_C 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Black Water (studio) → Live (1974) — El_C 08:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summertime → The House of the Rising Sun — El_C 13:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bossa Esfera — El_C 13:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Down Man — El_C 13:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The High Road — El_C 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Found You — El_C 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quero ver — El_C 01:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Raag Gawati (Dhan Dhan Bhag Hamare) — El_C 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I Adore You — El_C 13:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Angola Anthem — El_C 18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dopesnotfunkae — El_C 21:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Descarga for Tito — El_C 18:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Positive Notions — El_C 02:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One — El_C 14:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Secret Sun — El_C 21:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Back Where It All Begins — El_C 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Riflessività — El_C 03:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Title 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 — El_C 16:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tudo Que Você Podia Ser — El_C 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Necessary Discrepancy — El_C 13:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Way Star — El_C 09:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lament — El_C 15:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely Day — El_C 14:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alter Ego — El_C 11:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

עמוד האש — El_C 13:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Won't Pray Adagio → Angel's Serenade — El_C 20:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Distance — El_C 18:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Toxic — El_C 12:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the Man Who Loves You → Poor Places — El_C 07:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Money Trees (original) → Sembari Edit → DJ Dahi & DJ Rahki: Sample masters — El_C 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Creation & Destruction — El_C 14:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fuck the System — El_C 22:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Esperar Pra Ver — El_C 10:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New Coat Of Paint — El_C 12:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Ecstasy of Gold — El_C 13:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One Way — El_C 13:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Little Less Conversation — El_C 15:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Power in the Darkness — El_C 18:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

תמונה → Guitar — El_C 15:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Smokestack Lightning — El_C 11:42, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ann River, Mn → Bibio Remix — El_C 10:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mirror Temple — El_C 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zoiks — El_C 15:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tuyo — El_C 14:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Exogenesis: Symphony Pt. 1 (Overture) — El_C 13:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lotus Land → A Lotus On Irish Streams — El_C 12:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Album title of the day

Stop sniggering at the back! Narky Blert (talk) 20:15, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 '''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDmOnqrjH7w Exogenesis: Symphony Pt. 1 (Overture)]''' — [[User:El_C|El_C]] 13:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
+'''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bEwJ70jhrk Lotus Land] → [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fd0iIThupg A Lotus On Irish Streams]''' — [[User:El_C|El_C]] 12:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
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 [[Chris Hedges]]: '''[https://vimeo.com/495091045 "The Meaning of Christmas"]''' (December 27, 2020). [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


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