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:::::::::::ok after reading properly. i oppose on grounds that its just some random resigning. if he killed a person and thats why he was forced to resign then it would be a lot more interesting. ppl sleeping with prostitutes is really not ITN material. I think it was mistake to post it for US case and it would be repeating the mistake for this case (even though for sake of being neutral it should be posted but seriously this isnt ITN worthy news). [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 21:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::ok after reading properly. i oppose on grounds that its just some random resigning. if he killed a person and thats why he was forced to resign then it would be a lot more interesting. ppl sleeping with prostitutes is really not ITN material. I think it was mistake to post it for US case and it would be repeating the mistake for this case (even though for sake of being neutral it should be posted but seriously this isnt ITN worthy news). [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 21:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, it was to Mwalcoff. [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] ([[User talk:Therequiembellishere|talk]]) 21:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, it was to Mwalcoff. [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] ([[User talk:Therequiembellishere|talk]]) 21:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::@Candlewicke: If it meets all other ITN criteria, I wouldn't mind putting it up because I think we ought to strive for geographical diversity. However, at the same time, I object to the kind of mathematical-logical reasoning that I talked about. You can't draw exact comparisons between two countries, nor should we make blanket statements like, "Sub-national political news should not go up on ITN." Not to pick on the Third World, but I'd bet there would be a lot more interest among our readers in Sarah Palin's resignation as governor of Alaska or something involving Arnold Schwarzenegger than in a national-level event in [[São Tomé and Príncipe]] and, just as importantly, the namespace article about Palin or Arnold is likely of much higher quality than that of the president of São Tomé and Príncipe. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 21:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


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July 28

July 28, 2009 (2009-07-28) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for July 28

Death of Merce Cunningham

"The American choreographer Merce Cunningham, one of the creative giants of the 20th century, has died... bringing to a close one of the most extraordinary careers in dance... Cunningham was an unreconstructed revolutionary... For more than 50 years he remained true to his avant-garde instincts, refusing to follow any fashion but the one he spawned..." I wonder if it is suitable... --candle•wicke 17:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

quite a bit of deaths lately. not that they went on main page but i think we rejected some that were more notable than this... Ashish-g55 17:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Candlewicke, I support because Cunningham was the greatest living choreographer. It might help your cause if you can explain why Walter Cronkite, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived, did not go up. :-) -SusanLesch (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Um, consensus maybe? I thought Cronkite was called the greatest though? I'm just doing as I always do, browsing the newspapers and raising anything which may be possible. My "cause" is not to see this posted over any others. --candle•wicke 17:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
i am going to oppose this on the basis that he was great in his field but not famous worldwide. I think deaths should only go up if they are at MJ level. Every field will have a "greatest" and every country has their own fields too so its just too many to put on. Ashish-g55 18:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ashishg55, Cunningham was known in Europe before he was known in the United States. (obituary says "International fame came to him before national fame.") -SusanLesch (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
well i worded it poorly. by international i dont mean few countries. i mean like MJ fame. I would put Nelson Mandela in in MJ category. so that kind of notability. but its upto other ppl i suppose. i just think deaths should be a lot stricter than other news. Ashish-g55 18:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just shows to go ya that you guys or gals are 100% wishy washy. ;-) -SusanLesch (talk) 18:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I still have my principle of unexpected death not going up unless they are extenuating circumstances. I go to an arts academy and don't know who Cunningham is. I'm afraid I'll have to oppose. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm gonna have to say oppose on this one. It seems that putting Jacko's death up has opened the proverbial flood gates with regards to deaths! Anyway my reasons are the same as always. Whilst this person may be well known in their field, the age of death is, for me, the problem. Had they been 50 I would probably support, because they were internationally known in their field and the death would have been unexpected. As it is, Cunningham was 90 and thus the death is not unexpected. I tend to agree with Ashishg's logic that anyone who goes up on ITN at this age, has to be known well enough for who they are or what they have achieved and I don't think Cunningham passes this test. I always use Tim Berners-Lee as the acid test - say his name to someone and they'll probably never have heard of him - tell someone what he was famous for and everyone knows that --Daviessimo (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, I had never heard of this person either. However, it is difficult to determine just who exactly is well-known (even Michael Jackson is probably unknown on a remote island somewhere) so I just thought I'd nominate this one as it was an American getting a great obituary in The Times of the UK. --candle•wicke 20:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Omar Abdullah resigns

"The leading elected politician in Indian Kashmir resigned today over allegations that he was involved in a sex trafficking and underage prostitution racket." --candle•wicke 16:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disgusting, but I'm not sure that he's a high-enough level politician to go up. However, we did have the Eliot Spitzer prostitution thing up (or was it removed?). SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it's at a sub-national level. If this was Mr Singh, I'd support. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is a need to be consistent though... if US states go up then why not Indian or Chinese regional divisions for example... --candle•wicke 20:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They shouldn't I'd oppose Spitzer if it happened today. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why New York and not Kashmir? Because this is the English-language encyclopedia and we have many times more users in the U.S. than in India or China, despite the large populations of the latter countries. News value doesn't follow mathematical logic -- you can't say "If X is newsworthy and Y is another country's version of X, than Y is newsworthy." That's not how it works. No news outlet works that way. Note that I'm not opposing the nomination, just making a point about making comparisons. And yes, I know English is a lingua franca of India. Come to think of it, we probably do have many readers in India (although not nearly as many as in the U.S. or UK), and if this is a super-major story nationally in India, I'd be supportive of it going up. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am not supporting/opposing as i dont yet know enough about this issue. just to comment on Mwalcoff's point. ur logic still resides on the fact that wikipedia has more users in US so new york news is more prominent. This is flawed logic. As u said this is english language "encyclopedia". news value is not determined by which users visit the encyclopedia its determined via logical comparison to other prominent news. a comparison with users visiting from particular country can never make rich encyclopedia. it will only contain similar type events hence heavily biased. Ashish-g55 21:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, that wasn't my argument at all! Neither is worthy of the main page IMHO. If your not a major national official, I couldn't care less if you're thrown out because you screwed some secretary! Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
are u saying this to candlewicke? lol. getting confused :( Ashish-g55 21:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
@ Mwalcoff: And if the sources are available and someone (who may not even be from that country but still might be interested) is willing to spend time nominating, preparing and updating it? Should it still be refused then because some readers might not be interested in the politics of what to them is such a faraway place? --candle•wicke 21:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ok after reading properly. i oppose on grounds that its just some random resigning. if he killed a person and thats why he was forced to resign then it would be a lot more interesting. ppl sleeping with prostitutes is really not ITN material. I think it was mistake to post it for US case and it would be repeating the mistake for this case (even though for sake of being neutral it should be posted but seriously this isnt ITN worthy news). Ashish-g55 21:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, it was to Mwalcoff. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
@Candlewicke: If it meets all other ITN criteria, I wouldn't mind putting it up because I think we ought to strive for geographical diversity. However, at the same time, I object to the kind of mathematical-logical reasoning that I talked about. You can't draw exact comparisons between two countries, nor should we make blanket statements like, "Sub-national political news should not go up on ITN." Not to pick on the Third World, but I'd bet there would be a lot more interest among our readers in Sarah Palin's resignation as governor of Alaska or something involving Arnold Schwarzenegger than in a national-level event in São Tomé and Príncipe and, just as importantly, the namespace article about Palin or Arnold is likely of much higher quality than that of the president of São Tomé and Príncipe. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Abdelkader Belliraj
I can. Updating article now... Otumba (talk) 16:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are you an angel in disguise? Thanks! --BorgQueen (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, no problem. :) Right, is the article ok now? Also, looking at the AP source cited, Belliraj wasn't convicted of the murders. He has been accused of them, but he wasn't charged on those. Perhaps a better ITN sentence might be one that revolves around his conviction for plotting terrorist attacks in Morocco? Otumba (talk) 17:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As for the blurb, yes. The article still needs some minor cleanups and an infobox. I can take care of that. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. Looking again at the suggested ITN sentence above, it doesn't say he was convicted for murder, so my apologies for the misreading. However, I think it does give the impression he was convicted for murder. How about this for a suggestion: Abdelkader Belliraj, accused of leading an Islamist militant group, is sentenced to life in prison for plotting attacks in Morocco? Otumba (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I will post it in a couple of hours, after I finish the cleanups. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Otumba (talk) 17:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Turks and Caicos Islands—people die!

(BBC) (Daily Express) (Houston Chronicle) --candle•wicke 14:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, when everyone is accounted for.  Cargoking  talk  14:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just 2 confirmed dead according to the BBC. I say wait a bit longer until more are confirmed dead. SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll wait for more information. It sadly depends on the death toll. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's nine now just to let you know. --candle•wicke 19:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Eleven. --candle•wicke 20:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's the article - 2009 Turks and Caicos Islands migrant shipwreck - TouLouse (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, still doing it, I based the title and categories on 2009 Mediterranean Sea migrant shipwreck... --candle•wicke 20:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support if the death toll continues to rise, which I suspect it will, given that there are still 70+ missing. --Daviessimo (talk) 20:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


First U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue

Any support? The article seems to be well-updated already. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Silence means yes? :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 19:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Going to post soon, believing there is no objection. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support a major international meeting on foreign and economic policy including dozens of officials, many of them in their cabinets. The G2 dominant nations with the East and the West. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the recognition. I spent a lot of time updating this page. More information will roll out later today once the meeting is concluded. I want to thank the other contributing editors too for their good work. Poliphile (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Arab Commission for Human Rights
Oppose What is it? What does it do? I've never heard of it in my life. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Iran releases 140 demonstrators
Is there an updated section in 2009 Iranian election protests, the bolded article? SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was under the impression that there are 300 protesters in jail, Mousavi claiming that the number is far higher and 300 is just the number reported to the judiciary. However, if you include that the courts demanded a reason to keep them the day before, it gains more weight. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.Mitch/HC32

July 27

July 27, 2009 (2009-07-27) (Monday)

ITN candidates for July 27

File:Kurmanbek Bakiyev 2006 cropped.jpg
Kyrgyzstani presidential election, 2009

Can anyone update Kyrgyzstani presidential election, 2009? The incumbent Kurmanbek Bakiyev is re-elected. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Updating now... Otumba (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done, hope it is ok. As a suggestion for the ITN sentence: "Amid accusations of electoral fraud the incumbent President of Kyrgyzstan, Kurmanbek Bakiyev (pictured), wins re-election." Otumba (talk) 15:36, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted, thanks for the help. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. :) Otumba (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Nigerian gun battles

I've started the article Boko Haram. Could the ITN story be changed to be a bit more decriptive and link to this article? e.g.:

Clashes between Nigerian police and Islamist militants lead to 150 deaths.

AndrewRT(Talk) 01:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 26

July 26, 2009 (2009-07-26) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for July 26

2009 CONCACAF Gold Cup

Final is today. –Howard the Duck 16:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have to point out that in the soccer world, I don't think this tournament is that enormous of a deal. Not as big as the UEFA Euro tournament, certainly, and certainly less prominent in the host country than a lot of other events we don't put up on ITN. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Listed at WP:ITNR, although it could've been bigger if a team other than the host wins. –Howard the Duck 06:30, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I added it to ITNR a few months ago because the other continental championships were listed, but not CONCACAF. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 17:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think any soccer tournament that Canada (FIFA ranking 92) has won twice must be pretty much a joke in the soccer world. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
theres only so many countries in North america and canada winning in a north american only tournament isnt that crazy. maybe it is not upto european soccer level but its still multiple countries and if we add europe only tourney's i see no reason not to have this too. i agree its not too exciting but its for sake of being neutral. Ashish-g55 (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But I mean there are a lot of other North American sporting events that generate far more interest than the Gold Cup that we don't have on ITN. This to me reflects the problems with saying "All items of type X should go on ITN" or "No item of type X should go on ITN" rather than looking at things on a case-by-case basis. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're being a little short sited here. The Gold Cup does not start and end in North America - you also have Central America and the Caribbean. Football is a big deal in countries like Costa Rica, Honduras and Mexico (it's so big in Mexico that one of the US club teams is named after one of the biggest Mexican clubs, due to the large Mexican population in California!). Just because it will not cause much interest in the US, is not a valid reason for this not to go up --Daviessimo (talk) 18:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is the Gold Cup that big of a deal in Central America and the Caribbean? I don't honestly know. I would think Copa America would be a bigger deal in Mexico. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Mexico won big time. –Howard the Duck 00:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mexico? Support. :D --candle•wicke 03:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Sir Bobby Robson Trophy match.

Much more important than the CONCACAF Cup. MickMacNee (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It says this is a charity game... i am not familiar with this so i will assume u were being sarcastic (correct me if im wrong)... and if u were being sarcastic then please try not to nominate such items in future since it makes this page extra long for no reason. thanks Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Nigerian gunbattle; at least 32 dead

Is this suitable for ITN? --candle•wicke 17:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support, provided there was a well-updated article. SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like it may be an isolated incident without wider implications? If the article is very good, and can well demonstrate a connection to the wider conflict then I'd support, but otherwise not. Offliner (talk) 17:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The death toll has reached over 100. Can anyone create an article? It is pretty significant.  Cargoking  talk  12:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, it is more widespread now[3]. Offliner (talk) 12:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2009 Nigeria battles I start an article, could someone expanded that? - TouLouse (talk) 16:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At least 150 people are killed during battles in several Nigerian states. --candle•wicke 20:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --Tone 20:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


India's first nuclear submarine
The article needs a thorough rewriting though. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If anyone supports, I will rewrite the article. (Surprise, surprise!) --BorgQueen (talk) 18:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. No obvious reason for me to object.  Cargoking  talk  18:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is notable. Offliner (talk) 18:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Especially if the article is being rewritten by another. :D --candle•wicke 18:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, someone beat me to it. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


China's Giant Panda first
Panda eating bamboo

Pandas are endangered, right? It's scientific. International coverage certainly isn't a problem. BBC The Washington Post Xinhua News Agency The Irish Times The New Zealand Herald Does anyone support? --candle•wicke 13:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning towards support but do you think that enough info is out there to write about? The news releases are mostly too short to get anything much out of them. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"A Giant Panda (pictured) cub born in Sichuan, China, is the world's first conceived using frozen sperm." We have a video(!) Can it be used? --candle•wicke 19:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:16, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


2009 Tour de France


Annually reported and on the recurring events list. Armstrong's comeback achievement deserves a mention, as does a team getting two men on the podium, but I would be opposed to mentioning 3rd place if we don't name 2nd. I'd suggest against linking the countries, otherwise there is far more blue text than black. If there is concern that readers won't know what sport this deals with (I would be happy to assume recognition, but...), the genitive cycling's could replace the as the fifth word: I'd suggest dropping 96th in this instance. The most appropriate looking pic on Contador's item is probably File:Contador2.jpg, which at least has him in a yellowish jersey (it is actually the gold jersey of the tour of Spain) and his current team's insignia (albeit last year's version thereof). Kevin McE (talk) 07:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ready! Conta wins! TouLouse 15:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to put a little more prose into the article? SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To have prose descriptions of 21 stages would make the article very lengthy: the descriptive element is in the oft-linked daughter articles 2009 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11 and 2009 Tour de France, Stage 12 to Stage 21. Kevin McE (talk) 19:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But I've added a Race Overview section as well. Kevin McE (talk) 20:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 25

July 25, 2009 (2009-07-25) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for July 25

2009 southern Europe wildfires

"Wildfires in southern Europe kill at least eight people." Predicted to get worse over the week as temperatures rise etc. Jolly Ω Janner 19:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, several countries involved. --candle•wicke 19:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, there might be better pics available at low resolution. File:Sierra Cabrera wildfire 6.jpg possibley? Heck, this really is first-hand journalism to the max. Jolly Ω Janner 20:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
After looking at the article, it could probably use some section dividers, and infobox, and a little more information about the Greek fires before it goes up. SpencerT♦Nominate! 20:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've split it into two sections, added an infobox and added a paragraph on the fires in Greece. Jolly Ω Janner 23:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting soon. Btw, the picture you've added above is a really bad one, even at a greater resolution, I wouldn't use it in the article at all. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Harry Patch

"Harry Patch, the last surviving World War I veteran to fight in the trenches, dies at age 111." I'm not sure whether we should put him up, as he is the last to fight in the trenches, or wait until the final veteran passes. --PlasmaTwa2 21:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's not every week a supercentenarian oldest man WWI veteran dies... I support these "lasts" of World War history but I don't think many others do... but if Patch hasn't featured before that might work in his favour... the trenches are quite symbolic... --candle•wicke 22:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He has no previous ITN.  Cargoking  talk  09:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 24

July 24, 2009 (2009-07-24) (Friday)

ITN candidates for July 24

Operation Bid Rig


Gran Telescopio Canarias

The Gran Telescopio Canarias, the world's largest telescope, is inaugurated by King Juan Carlos I of Spain. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone expand the paragraph on the formal opening a bit? --BorgQueen (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind, I am doing it. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Updated, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Aria Air Flight 1525
Support, when expanded. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Saad bin Laden

Has been killed by a US missile attack in Pakistan, [5] TouLouse (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds a bit speculative to me. The U.S. officials are not 100% certain. I mean, it is not that they have his body or some tangible proof. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But if the death will be official this will be a ITN material or not? TouLouse (talk) 16:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If so, I will probably support... --BorgQueen (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


New Species found

Some gecko looking thing found in india. Its been named Cnemasspis kolhapurensis. which is incredibly hard to pronounce. Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hundreds (perhaps more) of species are discovered every year. Are we going to feature them all? I think the new species will have to have some "abnormal" chracteristic to be on ITN, like Titanoboa. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ya i was skeptical too about this. since we just had the salamander. well maybe we dont need to go to Titanoba all the way. thats like waiting for dinos to come back lol. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Report of successful breakthrough in stem cell research, without the need for embryonic stem cells

Chinese researchers from the Shanghai Stem Cell Institute, led by Professor Fanyi Zeng, sucessfully reprogrammed adult stem cells taken from skin tissue to be able to differentiate into any body cell, the reprogrammed cells known as "induced pluripotent stem cells" (IPS cells). The researchers have managed to use the IPS cells to create every type of cell in a mouse, creating entire mouse pups using the technique. This is the first time the technique has been used to make an entire mouse. The oldest living mice created by the technique are nine months old and are reproducing, albeit showing signs of abnormalities. A total of 27 mice were successfully born from the first generation of mice created from the IPS cells which were able to reproduce without any issues. This breakthrough, published in the journals Nature and Cell Stem Cell and developed independently by two teams in China, may possibly depreciate the usage of stem cells obtained from human embryos. (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 12:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well we have to look at it.yousaf465'
That's big news. When the articles are updated, I support. --Tone 13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, this is huge. --GPPande 17:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I will be unable to edit in the next few days up to Wednesday, due to examinations, and so probably will not be able to expand the article further. Just a quick note at that. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 23:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The iPS cells were generated from embryonic fibroblasts, not adult stem cells (says both the Nature and Cell Stem Cell paper). Both adult stem cells and fibroblasts have been made iPS cells before, the news is that they got whole mice (non-chimeric even) out of the cells. Narayanese (talk) 16:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Norwich North by-election

Chloe Smith wins the Norwich North by-election, the first British constituency by-election since the United Kingdom Parliamentary expenses scandal, and gains the Conservative Party a seat held by Labour for the past 12 years. Otumba (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know the result hasn't been announced yet, but because of the certainty amongst the press and analysts that the Conservatives will win, I thought to pre-empt the announcement with this suggestion. Of course, it will need to be confirmed that Smith has won before it goes up, if it goes up. I know this is just a by-election, but I think it is deserving of a place in ITN, because it is the first of the type since the expenses scandal, and because this was a safe Labour seat. Having said this, I understand if the nomination is opposed; I just thought what's the harm in trying. Otumba (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I have to oppose, we really feature just top-level elections, such as parliamentary and presidential. --Tone 11:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unless it leads to a snap election, the PM's resignation or some other significant political action it not going to be big enough for ITN. --Daviessimo (talk) 16:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bus crash
Can anyone help with an article?  Cargoking  talk  11:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes - 2009 Rostov bus crash - can you add some info? TouLouse (talk) 12:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now updated.
The article is still too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Really? What parts can be improved?  Cargoking  talk  13:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the article will be on ITN could be surely improved by many users. TouLouse (talk) 08:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, the article has to be expanded before it gets featured on MP, not the other way around. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


2009 Croatia train crash
Two traffic accidents in one day, if the articles are updated enough, I would support having them in one blurb together. --Tone 13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 23

July 23, 2009 (2009-07-23) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for July 23

Mark Buehrle's perfect game
As far as i can tell this is considered hard to do. but this isnt a record... Martin Brodeur's all time record wasnt added since it was considered too "domestic" in nature. This is a perfect game in MLB which is also "domestic". So i do not know... i will give it a weak support since there is no guarantee he will not do it again tomorrow. statistically it shouldnt happen but that is what we said for Kaká trade which got beat like the next week. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To test the notability of this event i would like to compare it to this List of goaltenders who have scored a goal in an NHL game. If we can agree that everytime goalie scoring a goal in NHL will make it to ITN then i will fully support a perfect game for MLB. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support A perfect game has happened only 18 times in well over 100 years. No pitcher has ever done it more than once. This is by far the most notable option. Alexfusco5 01:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose We didn't put Brodeur's all-time record up, and last time I checked that only happened once. Keep non-championship games out of ITN, please. --PlasmaTwa2 03:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Also, let's keep non-British sports out. Less baseball, more test cricket. Let's keep Wikipedia British-centric. Nutmegger (talk) 04:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose this one as well. This goes into the category of sport statistics and I am against those in most cases. Since there is a clear opposition to this entry above, I have replaced it with one of the previous entries. --Tone 07:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is only one serious oppose here. –Howard the Duck 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For me the only sporting stats worthy of going up are very top level world records and firsts. However, even then I'm leaning towards opposing those because with modern athletes and technology they are being broken and beaten ever more often. --Daviessimo (talk) 08:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm betting even the Japanese would concede that MLB is the "top-level" of baseball. –Howard the Duck 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but it is not a world record or world first is it? Even if it were, I still feel that sporting records are broken so often that it kind of makes them redundant. I mean where do you draw the line at notability? Is Jaime Alguersuari becoming the youngest ever F1 driver on Sunday notable? The previous record has stood since 1980, which is much longer ago than the last 'perfect game' in MLB --Daviessimo (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you think about it, you can't "break a record" for a perfect game, unless of course you do it twice in a career, or if the game extends into a gazillion innings.
And I dunno about Alguersuari, but a perfect game requires that the pitcher's team win the game. We did this for Vettel when he became the youngest driver ever to win, so that make sense. –Howard the Duck 09:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but Vettel was a world record, in arguably the most international sporting championship on the planet. I'm no expert on baseball (in fact I know hardly anything) but surely this fella will start the next game still 'unbeaten' as it were. He has in one game got out 27 batters for nothing. In the next game if he gets out the first batter for nothing surely he moves onto 28 unbeaten and it will continue like this. If that is the case the equivilant world record would be when he reaches and exceeds the highest number of batters out, without any of them reaching first base. --Daviessimo (talk) 09:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think Buehrle will play at least after 4 games, and I dunno if they kept records the way you are saying. No one has had a perfect game twice in his career, and I think the "perfect game" doesn't carry over the way you said it, unless he pitches perfectly the next game, which has never happened. –Howard the Duck 10:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hence i suggested using NHL's goalie scoring goal as a measurement tool. That has only happened 11 times too so if u can agree on posting it everytime it happens then i guess perfect game can go up too. i gave a weak support earlier because of rarity factor but if something rare in one sport gets posted then it should be posted in others too. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I dunno if we compare this with NHL goalies though. The perfect game is a test on how good a pitcher is. A goalie scoring a goal is more of a feel-good story. I'd like it if a goalie breaks the record for most consecutive shutouts or something like that. –Howard the Duck 13:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But do we really wanna put ITN item when someone does good at a game that they play professionally? Im sure every game has certain way of displaying how great a player is. Thats why we usually stick to records since they need to be broken. A perfect game is just display of how good u r at a certain game that is mainly only played in one country. now if he goes on a perfect game streak somehow then that becomes a record and we can put something like that for sure. So i am going to take my weak support back and put an oppose for this reason. Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Its interesting to see non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page. A perfect game is a big deal. The object of the game defensively is to get batters out and a perfect game is 27 of them in a row. I suppose retiring the entire team without any runs in cricket would be the equivalent but that would be much less common because scores are much higher in cricket than in baseball. These rarity discussions are absurd non sequiturs. A goalie scoring a goal is a fluke thing. Its like striking out four batters in an inning or something. I'm OK with the perfect game being taken off the ITN, but using rare flukes to demonstrate that great feats are not notable is bizarre logic.DavidRF (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A goalie scoring a goal is not a fluke... everything can be considered fluke by ur logic. Goalies intentionally try to score goals many times and it pretty much never happens as it is not easy. So calling their feat a fluke is also very absurd. No matter what this feat falls under a rare event in a game category. This is not a record in any way. For ex. if a country were to just invent a game tomorrow and call this one aspect of game very hard to accomplish then would we post it everytime it happens? A major record in a game i can understand atleast it needs to be broken. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And also the entire conversation above has nothing to do with being a fan or not... we are constructively trying to discuss notability and calling the discussion an attempt for "non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page" is almost offensive. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Goalies scoring goals in hockey most certainly is a fluke thing. It pretty much never happens because teams almost never try! You'd be hard-pressed to find any real hockey fans who associate this feat with greatness. If it was such a big deal, goalies would spend less time guarding their own net. Perhaps "fluke" is too disrespectful, but its a very odd feat. A pitcher actually wants to retire every batter he faces. And baseball wasn't just invented. Its been around a while.  :-) I'm OK with the perfect game not making ITN because its going to happen about every five years or so and every-five-year feats would clog up ITN if they were included for all sports, but please don't use your goalie-goal example in the future, its completely ridiculous and in my opinion unconstructive. I apologize for the "keeping baseball news" off the page remark. Especially since I concur with the conclusion here. Cheers.DavidRF (talk) 15:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
i wouldnt really include either events. goalie goal is just example of a rare event for a sport. and my point is adding all the rare events no matter how great the feat is probably not a good idea. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
One more reply. "Rare" and "great" are different things. Please keep that in mind in the future.DavidRF (talk) 16:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
New works of Mozart

2 new works of mozart have been found. Not too many details yet. they are to be released Aug 2. i think this is definitely noteworthy but maybe wait till more details arrive? Ashish-g55 (talk) 22:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until details arrive. MacMedtalkstalk 02:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I was looking at this one of the BBC website and thinking it looks like a good item. However, I think we need to wait for official confirmation, which will be given next week --Daviessimo (talk) 08:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
i will put the nom in future events for Aug 2. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit skeptical. Discoveries like these are not uncommon. They tease the press with a news release and then very little ever comes of it. I guess we'll see on Aug 2. Hope I'm wrong.DavidRF (talk) 14:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
DavidRF please drop in once on Aug 2 to give ur comment on the new finds. will help in making decision. thanks Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


SEACOM (cable system)

High speed internet release in East-Africa TouLouse (talk) 15:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but the article needs to be updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it seems like a pretty large scale system. Does it still need an update? --Daviessimo (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've made an update to the article so it should be ready to post now --Daviessimo (talk) 21:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Kim Dae-jung

Former President of South Korea and a Nobel prize winner Kim Dae-jung is in critical condition. [6] Let's keep an eye. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support and we must wait his death then will be put on ITN - TouLouse (talk) 09:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Pervez Musharraf

He has been called in to defend himself in case aganist November 3 emergency.yousaf465'


Ferry collision

One ferry with 1,500 passengers rammed a smaller ferry in Nynäshamn, Sweden. Many people inured but no reported deaths yet. [7][8][9][10][11][12][13] —Krm500 (Communicate!) 10:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Without any deaths I'm going to have to oppose. Its not uncommon for ships to hit one another in bad weather --Daviessimo (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously (and luckily), but when I posted it there were no reports on how big damage had been made. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 21:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 22

July 22, 2009 (2009-07-22) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for July 22

Earthquake - Again
Is this significant?  Cargoking  talk  17:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
300mm lol. well i guess it could save gas somehow. help reduce global warming... but seriously speaking if it somehow moved 3km then it would be a little more significant Ashish-g55 (talk) 17:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Abyei

The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague issues a decision on the borders of Abyei, a region subject to violent contention in Sudan. (BBC)

The decision appears to be significant, but the article Abyei has a POV tag. I would appreciate if anyone could resolve the issue so we could have the item on ITN. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the hard work. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Jupiter impact
The article is too short at the moment. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is it okay now? -SusanLesch (talk) 04:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 21

July 21, 2009 (2009-07-21) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for July 21

Support. Can you please update Jupiter#Ground-based telescope research? The section mentions Shoemaker-Levy's impact, you could add the latest impact there. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Rudimentarily, at least. --bender235 (talk) 13:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just one sentence? Please, it has to be at least a paragraph. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not exactly an expert on this topic, so I'm kinda hesitating to add more information. BTW: The Shoemaker-Levy 9 impact has only two sentences as well. --bender235 (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's irrelevant since the Shoemaker-Levy 9 impact is not an ITN candidate. The latest impact is. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I added further information plus a picture. That should do it, right? --bender235 (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Solar eclipse of July 22, 2009

I know this is up for July 22. but since the eclipse is going to start a little before 22nd with totality being 2 hours in according to UTC, i suggest putting this up earlier so ppl know about it. It is not really Crystal balling since it is an eclipse and it will happen lol. plus 22nd will start earlier in nations that will actually see the eclipse. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just to elaborate. the reason why i want this to go up early is because the noteworthy part is the fact that its the longest eclipse for the century. and putting this item after it has happened is fairly useless since then its just an eclipse that took place... its mainly noteworthy before it takes place so people know about it and can go watch it. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest a well-worded blurb please. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How about adding asia. since its over many countries too. so something like... The longest total solar eclipse of the 21st century, takes place over parts of Asia and the Pacific Ocean. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But it is only visible in some parts of Asia. Can you refine your wording a bit? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Who? Me or Ashishg55?  Cargoking  talk  16:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, my mistake. Ashishg55's suggestion is fine. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ya i added "parts of" to the original post (too lazy to retype it). rest the image can clarify. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So it wasn't my mistake. I recant my sorry. :-D Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Japan

Don't we usually feature such news on ITN? --Tone 12:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 20

July 20, 2009 (2009-07-20) (Monday)

ITN candidates for July 20

Worst car accident in Germany's history
Yes 10 deaths, I want to support, but must be create an article. TouLouse (talk) 16:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


2009 India floods

-- Tinu Cherian - 09:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can i suggest that we start a 2009 Monsoon article and merge the 2009 India floods and the 2009 Karachi floods into it since theirs going to be a lot more deaths to come from the monsoon. Jason Rees (talk) 09:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest keeping it seperate for geographical reasons. -- Tinu Cherian - 10:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, no need to merge.yousaf465'


Australian cricket team in England in 2009


  • England Wins an Ashes Test at Lord's since 1934.

-- It's after a gap of 75 years at the home of cricket.yousaf465'

July 19

July 19, 2009 (2009-07-19) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for July 19

British Open
It's important to mention Watson, since he's 59 years old and shocked everyone by nearly winning. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This item is on WP:ITNR, as one of the four golf majors, so it needs to be put up ASAP. It has a referenced prose update so there shouldn't be an issue --Daviessimo (talk) 08:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bump? –Howard the Duck 11:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Afganistan helicopter
Nobody knows about that? .. I think it's important. --TouLouse (talk) 17:09, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I know about it, it was just that the words "Afghanistan" and "helicopter" no longer excite me when mixed with a few deaths... is it particularly unusual? --candle•wicke 17:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
16 civilians killed in the latest in a string of deadly aircraft crashes in the country (per cite) Should we create an article ? TouLouse (talk) 17:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


2009 Karachi floods
I have begun an article. --candle•wicke 15:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggested wording: At least 26 people are killed and at least 60 150 people are injured as a result of heavy rains in Karachi, Pakistan. --candle•wicke 15:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can you expand it just a little further? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I will check again. The information is somewhat limited and being repeated by the same sources; even the BBC article is very short. --candle•wicke 16:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Make that 150 injured but I have to add this to the article. --candle•wicke 16:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have added more. --candle•wicke 16:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Is this big? --candle•wicke 23:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I mean what makes it different from all the other boxing weight classes? --candle•wicke 23:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Or the other three world championships for the same weight, for that matter. Algebraist 23:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111MickMacNee (talk) 00:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry? Didn't quite catch that... --candle•wicke 00:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, only #13 in the world. We had a tough time when the #1 made it to ITN so this won't cut it. He should fight at Las Vegas first... –Howard the Duck 07:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OpposeNot significant ITN.yousaf465'


LRO Moon Images

Ok this item is definitely not ur normal ITN but i find it very interesting. First time ever pictures were taken of Lunar landing sites on moon. BBC. This will interest all the people who believe in Apollo Moon landing hoax conspiracy theories and well be of general interest to those who know otherwise. Ashishg55 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cough, cough–funny how it was a US spacecraft which "captured" these images. ;) --candle•wicke 02:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"The release of the images coincides with the 40th anniversary of the first manned mission to land on the Moon." Hmmm... something fishy about all this... it's almost like they got released on purpose... --candle•wicke 02:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
lol i know. the hoax ppl will say they were doctored. but come on its NASA... i dont wanna lose my trust in everything out there. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh you're probably right but if I found it that easy to question their validity I doubt the real hardcore conspiracy theorists will bat an eyelid at them... --candle•wicke 02:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
nonetheless ppl will be interested in looking at these images as a proof that landings did take place. theorists can deny anything... its just called being in denial after these pics Ashishg55 (talk) 04:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
i think its good "encyclopedic" news ;) Ashish-g55 (talk) 04:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Makes a change from all the deaths... --candle•wicke 15:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ok so the lunar landing 40th anniversary is tomorrow. it would make great news item. i am not sure how much is being covered by OTD. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - 40th anniversary of the biggest fake in the world history - moon landing - not for ITN --TouLouse (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See? :D Not everyone is convinced by the new evidence... oh well... back to death and misery... --candle•wicke 16:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
An intention that has been stated publicly several times as a mission of LRO. Still, this does not rise to the level of notability. And some conspiracy theorists will never be convinced no matter how much evidence is laid before them, despite the utter lack of concrete evidence to prove a conspiracy. See Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, episode "Conspiracy Theories". --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 19:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Missing US soldier appears on video

What about this? Do we have an article on him yet? Offliner (talk) 08:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just a video? I don't think so... Isn't he still alive? Last time I nominated a slain captive and oppositions were overwhelming. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This one isn't even dead yet... he might even get out alive... --candle•wicke 15:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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