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Be bold!

Don't be afraid to edit, the worst that can happen is someone disagrees with you and undoes it. Hopefully they will tell you why, if they don't, you can ask. Perhaps the two of you will then be able to work out an edit which is suitable to you both, and perhaps then superior to either. Do let me know if you need help with anything. Prodego ^talk 21:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all of your help and advice. Joefromrandb (talk) 05:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Another question

In connection with your kind offer to help me if I needed advice, I'd like to ask you a question. I noticed numerous discrepancies in the opening paragraphs of articles about countries. I perused WP:MOS, and several other pages I figured may be revelant. Unable to find a definative answer, I posted a question at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. After I did this, it occured to me that as it is a talk page, it may be inappropriate to have asked there question there (i.e. the talk page should be used to discuss the policy, rather than ask questions about it). Should I instead ask at the help desk, and if so, should I remove my question from the talk page? Thank you in advance, and I apologize if I am being a nuisance. Joefromrandb (talk) 05:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

There is no wrong place to ask a question (well expect perhaps inside an article!), worst case someone will direct you somewhere else to ask. The talk page of the MOS is fine, I think the ideal place would have been Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions. And I believe WP:PLACE is the page you are looking for. Prodego ^talk 05:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow! What a quick response. Thank you very much. Joefromrandb (talk) 13:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree redlinks should not be in lead, forgot the wikicode

As you can see I was trying to redirect and got distracted. Thanks for the assist! Brothercanyouspareadime (talk) 23:09, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure! Thanks for the note! Joefromrandb (talk) 23:19, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting the Project! Tentatively entitled Homelessness because that's what most people think of when concerned with Unhoused, Unshelter Persons and (human) Habitat issues. But is that title POV? Brothercanyouspareadime (talk) 23:01, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Are you saying that entire phrase is the title? Joefromrandb (talk) 23:31, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

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Saudi

I posted a reply at WP:RDL. --Soman (talk) 15:51, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I'm a little busy at the moment, and may not get to look into that thoroughly for a day or two, but I wanted to express right away my gratitude for your help. This is truly an amazing place here. In the past few months that I've been editing I have learned more than I could have imagined. Joefromrandb (talk) 21:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

re User:Herostratus /Wikipedia:Profiles of operating corporations

Yes edits to material in someone's userspace are not usually done. It depends, and in this case it's perfectly OK with me, and in fact I don't want the page - I asked to have it userfied to my userspace just to save it (it had had to be deleted, not because there was necessarily anything wrong with it, but because it had been created by a banned user, and such material must be deleted).

By all means if you are interested in the material you may move it to your userspace. I haven't had time to really cogitate on the material, but on first blush I am probably not in favor of what the writer is saying. I only wanted to save the material because I think it's a valid and interesting point.

If you want to work on it or whatever by all means move it to your userspace or whatever (if you don't know to do this, ask me). It is probably eligible to be moved back to main space as an essay if anyone wants to do this. Herostratus (talk) 02:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

It seems that the page has again been deleted. That's fine with me; actually preferable. I was not in favor of it either. Sorry for the belated response. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:07, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't think there is a set protocol about where to respond. Some users put a notice at the top of their talk page - many say "I will respond to you here", a few (like me) say "I will respond to you back on your talk page", many don't say. When I leave a message I don't like to have to watch and check back on that persons talk page for a response, but many users evidently don't mind this. There is also a template = Template:talkback - that says "Hey I have a message for you on my talk page". It's kind anarchic. I guess you can say "please respond here" (if you don't mind having to watch that person's talk page) or "please respond back on my talk page" (if you don't mind the disjointed conversation that results). To top it off, there are users who won't respond back on your talk page even if you want them to, and users who will be annoyed if you respond to their on your talk page back on their talk page. =/

Yes the page is gone, I deleted it following advice to do so from a couple of users, since I didn't really want it an no one else seemed to either. An interesting idea, but as for me I'm inclined to let it lie for now. Herostratus (talk) 04:33, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Joefromrandb (talk) 04:40, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

As far as the talk page issue, the last scenario you mentioned is the one I was trying to avoid. It makes no difference to me where a conversation takes place, but I'm aware that certain users wish for a precise sequence to be followed. Joefromrandb (talk) 05:13, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

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Responded there. Thank you! Joefromrandb (talk) 08:17, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Move Request

I've started a Move Request as per your comment at Talk:Anal–oral sex - You are invited to add your vote and comments  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:29, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I have done so. Thank you. Joefromrandb (talk) 16:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Measurements

Regarding your edit here, yes, the measurements are included in the Playmate infobox template and are therefore on every Playmate's article. This has been discussed before, though I have to admit that I can't track down the discussion right now... At least three studies have been written using the data provided by Playboy in the Playmate Data Sheets: [1], [2], [3]

Just thought I'd throw that out there... Dismas|^(talk) 04:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

If you noticed, I put it back myself once I realized that, though I still think it's unencyclopedic. Joefromrandb (talk) 13:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

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Responded there. Thank you. Joefromrandb (talk) 20:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

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Responded there. Thank you. Joefromrandb (talk) 02:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Frank Buckles idea

I was thinking about putting the quote box across the article section of the last section, as kind of the "last word" on the subject and then moving the image from the talk page into the place the quote currently takes up. What do you think? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Assuming that it's a public domain image, which it appears to be, I think that's an excellent idea. Joefromrandb (talk) 05:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Guess I am the tie-breaker on this one. AYW didn't like the idea, you do....so, time for me to think. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I decided to go with it, give here a look-see and tell me if you like it. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I think it looks great. (I will however admit that AYW's opinion should perhaps be given more weight than mine, as they have certainly contributed much more to that article than I.) But for what it's worth, I'm all for it. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I talked with User:The ed17‎ and a person for whose opinion I trust and we decided (against what you and I thought was neat) that the quote had to go back to where it was (on the side) and the third picture had to go (too many pictures). So, if we get some more information, perhaps we can add the picture back. Either way, it is still in Commons, so it can be accessed by users. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:36, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Not sure I follow the reasoning, but OK with me. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:41, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

The reason is more liked it the other way (with 2 pictures and quote on the side) than 3 pictures and quote at the bottom. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:50, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem, NH. Thanks! Joefromrandb (talk) 05:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

NPOV

Hi, I think you probably want to move your post from WP:NPOV to WP:NPOVN which is the noticeboard page for NPOV issues. The policy page is usually just for discussion of the policy itself, not its application to individual articles. Cheers, Ocaasi ^c 16:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Joefromrandb (talk) 16:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Good news, everyone!

The A-Class Review for the Frank Buckles article was closed and promoted just moments ago. I want personally thank you for your help on the article and hope to work again with you on the FAC in the near future. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 10:24, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

That's great!! My contributions were minimal, but I was happy to do what I could. You should be very proud of yourself, as you were one of those who did the heavy lifting. I too, look forward to seeing it reach FA. Joefromrandb (talk) 14:09, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

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It's nice what you are doing with the articles, but keep in mind that the majority of them are either unsourced or not sourced well, and that is the bigger issue than this. Please focus on this issue first. Thank you. I Help, When I Can. ^[12] 20:14, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

What? If that's a concern of yours, why aren't you focusing on it, rather than asking me to do so? I'm not supposed to make a minor edit to tidy up the article unless I make major improvements first? Are you for real? Truly the strangest message I've ever seen. Joefromrandb (talk) 05:54, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Gary McKinnon

Hi Joe, I added an important new section "new evidence" to Gary McKinnon which you removed 29 april 2011 can you tell me why? Nosli (talk) 09:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The section was tagged as original research. Everything in our articles needs to be able to be verified by reliable sources. This is particularly true in Mr. McKinnon's case, as he is a living person. Following the links I've provided here should be able to give you more details. Best. Joefromrandb (talk) 14:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

My Cousin Vinny

Joe, before you change the two male character names again, either in the Macchio article or the movie article, please talk about it, either here, or on one of the article's Talk pages (the Vinny article probably makes more sense). My memory of the movie is that Vinny always called his cousin Billy. However, all of the cast lists outside of Wikipedia, plus some review articles I've read, show his name as Bill and his friend's name as Stan - not William or Stanley. What's your reason for changing them to the more "proper" names? It doesn't matter whether Bill is a nickname of William or Stan is a nickname of Stanley; what matters is how they are credited in the movie.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:56, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Some things aren't worth arguing. If you'd like them to be called "Stan" and "Billy", go right ahead and indulge yourself. Joefromrandb (talk) 13:06, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I'm using Stan and Bill, not Billy - as I already said. Hopefully, your use of the phrase "indulge yourself" was careless as opposed to condescending.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:16, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Stan and Bill then. Have at it! Joefromrandb (talk) 13:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Apologized on user's talk page for inappropriate response on my behalf. Joefromrandb (talk) 03:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you. I probably didn't clarify my concern very well, but I'll return to it when I have a bit more time. Joefromrandb (talk) 02:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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Red-linking -- your deletion of brackets

Hi ... can you explain what you mean by your edit summary here, which presumably is meant to explain why you deleted the related brackets? Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:21, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I felt it was a topic with little chance of becoming an article, and therefore the red link was simply an eyesore that detracted from the Gilad Shalit article. If you disagree please feel free to revert. Joefromrandb (talk) 12:15, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I would be happy to self-revert upon request if you're concerned about a 1RR violation. Just let me know. Joefromrandb (talk) 12:18, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha ... now, why would you think I would have a concern as to 1RR?  ;) I will have to look into it a bit further. I share with you a lack of interest in redlinks with little chance of becoming an article. I just thought this one might have legs. I had, btw, created an article from the Red Cross fellow mentioned in the article, prompted by the redlink. It has dozens of news hits and thousands of ghits, and goes back a few years. My only hesitation, upon looking further, is not knowing whether I can find its website and whether I can find enough meat about it. I'll come back if I have a chance to turn that up. Tx. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 12:29, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Use of "Fleeing" vs "Leaving" in the Charles Lindbergh article

Charles Lindbergh ("CAL") and his family fled the United States for Europe in the early morning hours December 22, 1935, to escape from and thus protect themselves from continuous hounding by the news media and other threats to their safety after the kidnapping and murder of the infant Charles A. Lindbergh, Jr., the Hauptman trial, and other overt invasions of CAL's and his family's privacy. "Fleeing" the country is exactly how CAL later described this event in his writings as well as how it was referred to in news accounts at the time. For instance the January 6, 1936, TIME Magazine story "The Press: Hero & Herod" said "News of the Lindbergh flight broke in the final Monday edition of the New York Times, on the streets at 4 a.m. ...", "The Lindberghs had secretly obtained passports in Washington a week in advance, slipped away from the Morrow home in Englewood, N. J. with farewells only to the immediate family.", and "Editorial sentiment was overwhelmingly but not unanimously with the fleeing Lindberghs."

The Lindberghs were not just "leaving" the United States, they were literally "fleeing" (i.e. "escaping" from) the country as well because CAL felt that continuing to reside in the US had become untenable. Thus using the word "fleeing" in the introduction to the Charles Lindbergh article was neither "a poor choice of words" nor was it "foolishness", but is instead an accurate description of exactly what happened "At 2:53 a. m. on Sunday, Dec. 22, [when] Charles Augustus Lindbergh, with his wife Anne Morrow Lindbergh and their 3-year-old son Jon, sailed furtively out of New York Harbor toward Europe aboard the S.S. American Importer" as the family fled the United States to live in Europe for the next six years. That is how ultimate primary source -- CAL himself -- saw what he was doing so it would be "utter nonsense" (as well as patently misleading and unsourced editorializing) to describe in his WP article what he and his family did using any word other than "fleeing". Centpacrr (talk) 05:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I've responded at the article's talk page, which is where this conversation belongs. Joefromrandb (talk) 06:11, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I posted the above comment here before I saw that you had added a section on this in the Talk:Charles Lindbergh page where I have posted my responses. Centpacrr (talk) 06:58, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

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The notice was indeed placed here in error; not because I wish to contest the deletion, but because I didn't create that article, never edited that article, and know absolutely nothing about that article. Joefromrandb (talk) 11:38, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

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Please see this

Hi Joefromrandb,The user who created this was Corgan123,which had a link to your talk page.I thought that it was a misleading username.Anyway,I'm sorry,but I'll have to look upon this. Dipankan001 (talk) 11:33, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for the note. Joefromrandb (talk) 17:51, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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I'm not sure how much help I can be, but I'll do what I can. Thanks for the invite! Joefromrandb (talk) 22:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

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Cathlic and Conlin edits

You're making edits to controversial articles, and I just had to say that your edits are uncontroversial and helpful. Would that more editors could improve articles without stirring things up. Happy holidays.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:35, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Well thank you very much!! I hadn't even thought of that, but it's quite a compliment. Very happy holidays to you as well!! Joefromrandb (talk) 22:07, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Disamb

Your self revert was wise; imagine if we got hauled up for edit warring on that page. We'd never live it down, the mortifying shame. Go in peace ;) Ceoil (talk) 19:26, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. However, my self-revert was short-lived, as I was just erring on the side of caution while I double-checked that it was correct. Fear not, as I don't edit war. If you re-revert me, I will follow the proper dispute resolution channels, rather than continuing to revert. Regards. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Arbcom it is so, you blinkered rule driven whatever. "I will follow the proper dispute resolution channels". After a friendly word. Get real, prefect. Ceoil (talk) 19:45, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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I was surprised to learn that the MOS does discourage linking within quotes. I'm not objecting at all to your removal of the links, but I've asked at WT:MOS for clarification of the reasoning for that rule; just wanted to let you know in case you wished to participate. Theoldsparkle (talk) 17:32, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I have responded there. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:58, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Talk:List of General Hospital characters#Maxie Jones

I noticed that you think there is no discussion: there is discussion, but there is only one reply, and I need your opinions on merger proposal. There is no need to remove it, unless three months passed. --George Ho (talk) 07:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Already discussed it in Talk:Maxie Jones. --George Ho (talk) 07:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Please see my comments at the respective talk pages, as well as your mentorship discussions page. Joefromrandb (talk) 04:20, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hello, Joefromrandb. You have a reply to your comment at User talk:George Ho/Mentorship discussions's talk page. Thanks. Begoon ^talk 06:26, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Things seem to have improved; it seems best to just drop it. Joefromrandb (talk) 14:33, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Which is better: Sam and Diane or Maxie Jones?

I have created "Sam and Diane" with Reception, Storyline, and Casting. "Maxie Jones" has no Reception yet, especially from critics. Let's leave tagging and other discussions out of this. What do you say? --George Ho (talk) 07:44, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the question. I know very little about General Hospital, and had never even heard of Maxie Jones before stumbling across the article. I'm very happy to see the work you're doing at Sam and Diane. If you're simply asking which article I think is better, "Sam and Diane" for sure. Joefromrandb (talk) 08:08, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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I have commented there, George. I sincerely hope that it is kept, as I would love to see you focus your good-faith efforts on improving that article rather than more taggings and proposed deletions. Joefromrandb (talk) 05:20, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Nice work with the article, it's nice to have some help. — GabeMc (talk) 03:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!! Joefromrandb (talk) 03:55, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

rmv

I suggest that you use "rm" or "remove" in edit summaries instead of "rmv". I read "rmv" as "remove vandalism", which I think was not at all what you intended with your recent edit to Little Black Sambo, and I think other people are likely to misread it similarly. You might want to browse through WP:ESL to see what other people are doing. —Mark Dominus (talk) 15:21, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow you. I wrote, "rmv; needs a source if it's returned". Obviously I wouldn't suggest vandalism be returned with a source. It was not my position that the material I removed was "vandalism". It was contentious material about a corporation, which while not a serious as WP:BLP, is still unacceptable. It was tagged for 11 months before I removed it. As you have provided multiple references for the story, it's obviously fine now. I have used "rmv" for "remove" in hundreds of edit summaries without incident. In any case, sorry if you were mislead by what I wrote, and thanks for fixing up the article. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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Article restructuring at the Beatles

There is a discussion taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 02:19, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

To be honest with you, I'm not very familiar with that article. I'll try to have a look at it and weigh in, but I hope you'll forgive me if I don't feel qualified enough to opine. Regards. Joefromrandb (talk) 13:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

?

would you mind explaining what you meant by "and on it goes" in your edit summary of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandra Fluke. i don't understand what you ment. LateNiteFluker (talk) 04:01, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

also what does "such foolishness" mean from Talk:World War I? LateNiteFluker (talk) 04:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

"And on it goes" was in reference to your comment merely being the latest of many single purpose accounts that I had to tag. "Such foolishness" was in reference to what I perceived as trolling behavior from another user. Hope this helps! Joefromrandb (talk) 04:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

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Sandboxes of Frasier Crane and Diane Chambers

User:George Ho/Frasier Crane (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User:George Ho/Diane Chambers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I can't figure out which one is too trivial enough to remove, and I don't want to commit editing wars there. Therefore, I created those sandboxes; you can discuss them there. --George Ho (talk) 07:40, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, George. It looks to me like these drafts are potential rewrites of the existing articles, and you'd like me to comment on them on the talk pages. Is that correct? Joefromrandb (talk) 00:53, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

For starters, you can start a new section in either one. --George Ho (talk) 01:02, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how much help I can be in the immediate future (a lot on my plate IRL right now), but I'll see what I can do. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:13, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Just to be sure, you are giving me your permission to edit pages in your userspace, correct? Joefromrandb (talk) 01:44, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

You can edit my userspace articles if you want; not my main user page or main sandbox page, though. However, I would recommend that you go to draft's talk page first to address your concerns. --George Ho (talk) 02:51, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

George, I'm confused. You asked me to begin by adding new sections. Now you're asking me to start at the talk pages. Why don't you contact me when you are finished with the drafts, and we'll take it from there? Joefromrandb (talk) 03:12, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

All right. Deal's a deal. When I said "new section", I meant first section in a talk page. --George Ho (talk) 03:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good! Joefromrandb (talk) 03:48, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Diane Chambers

Now I think I'm done now for the Diane Chambers sandbox article. I wonder if I'm missing anything; if so, maybe talkpage of the sandbox could help. --George Ho (talk) 20:08, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

It's been two weeks, and curiously I wonder if you have enough spare time to review my sandbox. --George Ho (talk) 04:04, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi George. Somehow I seem to have missed your previous message. I hope you didn't think I was ignoring you for two weeks. I'll have some free time after the weekend, so I'll try to look over everything and get back to you next week. Joefromrandb (talk) 04:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

It's over two weeks, and I wonder if you know someone else who can spend time reviewing my sandbox. --George Ho (talk) 23:52, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry George. I give you my word I will look at it either tonight or tomorrow. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:16, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I just started "Frasier Crane". Do you mind if I copy edit as I go, rather than making numerous minor-edit suggestions on the talk page? I do think that would be the easiest way to go. You of course would be free to revert to your preferred version if you disagree with my editing. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:23, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

 Okay. --George Ho (talk) 00:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Frasier Crane

User:George Ho/Frasier Crane (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I need your help on inserting important key points that would serve general readers and fit a general overview of this character. I have already done the Diane Chambers article. The current version of Frasier Crane is overbloated with original thought and too much detail. I wonder if you have enough time on this. Thanks! --George Ho (talk) 21:53, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I thought it was pretty much good to go, needing only a good copy-editing. I have quite a lot on my plate right now, but I'll try to at least give it a once-over for you. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:00, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I have requested a history merge in WP:REPAIR, just in case. --George Ho (talk) 22:54, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

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Nixon

Someone else reverted me before I was about to self-revert. I agree with your removal, there's plenty of information within the article that the link isn't necessary. --WGFinley (talk) 15:00, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note! Joefromrandb (talk) 20:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Current/Past Members of the Beatles

There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 23:50, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

There is a discussion taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 03:46, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

There is a Straw Poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 00:39, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

• I think I found a good solution to the template issue, take a look at the proposal now, it might satisfy everyone's concerns. — GabeMc (talk) 06:03, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Your request for rollback

Hi Joefromrandb. After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
• Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback should never be used to edit war.
• If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
• Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! v/r - TP 15:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Joefromrandb (talk) 02:55, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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Jamie Moyer

What would you accept as a credible source for the "Ernest" nickname? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:32, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Just about any WP:RS, I suppose. Joefromrandb (talk) 09:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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Whip

Joefromrandb, I have noticed the problems you are having on whip, I have been having basically the same problem with the same editor on several articles and categories, I have told this editor that there appears to be some type of ownership issue on certain articles etc, often edits are made or reverted with no discussion by this editor but when I do the exact same type of editing I am accused of not discussing my edits first, I think you have tried to solve the whip issue in a fair manner.Samuraiantiqueworld (talk) 01:28, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the note. You are correct about the ownership issue with this user. Don't get me wrong; Montanabw is a good editor, and our horse-related articles are better off for her being here. But she also seems to think she has right-of-first-refusal on all horse-related edits. Ending an edit summary with "now leave it be" smacks of WP:OWN issues. Also, the "stewardship doesn't equal ownership" caveat on her user page is a good clue that others have had similar issues with her editing. Regards. Joefromrandb (talk) 03:18, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I love it. I work my butt off to bring THOUSANDS of articles up from stubs and nothing, inserting source material for years and years (some of the articles need newer and better sources, but I first worked on many in 2006 and 2007, when citation standards were different) and all I get is personal attacks from people who lack the common courtesy to take these discussions to the talk pages of the articles involved. A bit of conversation and collaboration can usually resolve such issues, such as Joe's spat over UK versus US spellings of a single word. As for Samurai, I will discuss your behavior elsewhere. Montanabw^(talk) 16:42, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Money (disambiguation)

Both of the entries I restored at this page are valid entries per disambiguation guidelines. One of your revisions actually violates the guidelines.

• Money (Australian magazine) is a valid entry per WP:DABRL: A link to a non-existent article (a "red link") should only be included on a disambiguation page when an article (not just disambiguation pages) also includes that red link. What links here shows many links to the page (though TBH, it is unclear how many are due to the Template:Major English-language business magazines).
• Similarly, also per WP:DABRL, the entry for the townland in County Armagh, Northern Ireland, should contain a blue link to an article that support the asserted usage. You changed the link from List of townlands in County Armagh (which mentions the usage) to link to County Armagh which makes no mention whatsoever of that townland. One of your edit summaries mention NO piped links on disambiguation pages, but that is incorrect. WP:PIPING explains that For description sections, redirects or piped links may be used; follow the normal Wikipedia:Redirect and Wikipedia:Piped link guidelines. In other words, the proscription on piped links applies to links on the ambiguous term, links in the description are explicitly identified as exceptions. older ≠ wiser 15:37, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Responded at WT:WikiProject Disambiguation. Joefromrandb (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Saddle

Joefromrandb, since you are aware of the "problem" with horse related articles can you take a look at the revision history of Saddle? I just has 7 edits reverted as "vandalism" which I do not think even come close to being "vandalism". I have asked the advice of an administrator (User talk:Good Olfactory) ,I am not asking you to weigh in, just to be aware for future reference, thanks.Samuraiantiqueworld (talk) 22:19, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Mass-reverting good-faith edits as "vandalism" is completely unacceptable. I hope you follow through with this. Perhaps an RfC is in order. As I said above, she is a good editor, but her latest actions show her ownership issues are simply out of control. I'm beginning to think that a temporary topic-ban from horse-related articles may be a good idea. In any case, don't be pushed around! She can call it "quality control", "stewardship", "green cheese", "Randy in Boise"-whatever. The bottom line is these articles are as much yours as they are hers, mine, and everyone's. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:54, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, take a look here, this is what has been going on any time I have to edit or revert a perfectly reasonable horse related edit, and this is not the first time this has happened. Check this out.

[User talk:Samuraiantiqueworld], [User talk:Nyttend]

• Joefromrandb, thanks for your input on this whole horse matter. Samuraiantiqueworld (talk) 02:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome!! Joefromrandb (talk) 03:14, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Joe, be aware that you may be an unwitting participant in a forum-shopping situation. Montanabw^(talk) 16:43, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Evidence: this and especially this behavior, which is not helping improve wikipedia, and I am particularly concerned about this attack on an article with which I have minimal involvement. Montanabw^(talk) 16:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad that you've posted here. It's been a hectic day but I'd definitely like to discuss this with you a bit later when I have some time. I hope you're willing to keep an open mind even if you disagree with me, and I promise I'll do the same. Joefromrandb (talk) 19:53, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. AGF. Done deal That said, some good stuff got added to the saddle article as a result of this, the Beatie book was a good find, though I needed to do some copyediting to clean up the material added. Needs more, I hate doing citation template stuff. Later maybe. Montanabw^(talk) 23:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

It seems the next few days are going to be busy for me. I'm unable to respond with the amount of detail I'd like at the moment. But just one quick thought for now: if nothing else, if you could just avoid calling edits you don't like "vandalism", and stop using rollbacks for non-vandalism edits, I think that would go a long way. A perfect example is the breed registry article. An editor added a perfectly valid and truthful edit about Cigar, Arazi, and Azeri. Rollback leaves no edit summary, as it's for vandalism only. So with your edit, I saw "revert vandalism". With your next revert, you wrote: "appears to be a commercial plug for a specific breeder, we could give thousands of examples". Now that makes perfect sense. And I hope you can see the difference. Your first revert looked like ownership while your second revert looked like stewardship. Joefromrandb (talk) 06:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I can see your point of view on leaving an edit summary and your example is a good one. I appreciate your AGF. I do have 3000 articles on my watchlist and do tend to hit the button on things that resemble advertising or random removal of cited content or citations, each of which happened here. Nonetheless I really don't get the "ownership" accusation thing at all because I got that rant even before I got the rollback button. I really DO believe in "stewardship" - many articles I have created have been dramatically improved by others, and I am glad for it. Most of the people who accuse me of "ownership" are either people like Samurai, who are enraged that I dared to disagree with them, or they are the well-meaning people who get dragged into these spats I have with the same and just apply a broad brush without really looking at the issue. I suppose I irritate them by not suffering fools, but no one wore kid gloves when I started editing WP either. Sigh... Montanabw^(talk) 23:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Joe, I'm sorry I've had to mention your name at WP:ANI#user:samuraiantiqueworld and false claims of outing - nothing derogatory, but you're entitled to know anyway. --RexxS (talk) 01:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Just when I thought everyone was beginning to get along. C'est la vie. Joefromrandb (talk) 02:33, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

GOCE May drive wrap-up

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3RR warning, you're already over the 3 revert limit

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. -- Teapeat (talk) 23:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be any particular reason to have this article in Wikipedia anyway, the entry at wiktionary is for all practical purposes the same, and the rule at Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary actively discourages articles on adjectives.Teapeat (talk) 23:34, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I've already advised you to use the talk page, yet you choose to come here with clownish warnings instead. I have made multiple suggestions on the talk page, yet you refuse to address them. One of my suggestions was more-or-less exactly what you suggested. Instead of edit-warring and threatening me, please respond on the talk page. We're really not that far apart. Joefromrandb (talk) 00:46, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes we are, that was an explanation, not a suggestion, and actually, you should self revert, otherwise I will report you, and you probably will be blocked. The only reason you're not already reported and blocked is because you apparently hadn't been tagged before, (the admins require that you have been tagged) but all bets are now off.Teapeat (talk) 03:53, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I made 3 reverts, not 4, and I have made numerous improvements to the article while you have simply continued to revert while refusing to discuss. Joefromrandb (talk) 04:01, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't agree you've made any improvements at all, you've made it worse by adding a dictionary entry. Dictionary entries work very poorly as encyclopedia articles; they don't mix with encyclopedia articles because they're about very different things. There's no topic there, only three words, and who said them when. But we already have a wiktionary entry anyway, and it's substantially the same.Teapeat (talk) 19:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

And you definitely made 4 reverts within 24 hours, specifically:

fourth

third

second

first

Teapeat (talk) 19:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

The first edit I made was not a revert. It borders on being disruptive to come here and talk about edit-warring when you yourself made 3 reverts to the page as well. You need to drop the stick. Joefromrandb (talk) 20:35, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Please bring any further comments to the article's talk page, which is where this conversation belongs. Joefromrandb (talk) 20:45, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

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Friend....

I get it that you are upset, but you can't do this [4]. It is unnecessary and unproductive. It is one thing to attack another persons ideas, but WP:NPA is pretty specific about not attacking the person. Step back, have a tea. The last thing I want to see is someone come along and block you. If you do stuff like that, you set yourself up for it, and that isn't helping Status or yourself. Honestly, you would be better to just remove it. I'm not saying you have to agree with him, or like him, just that you can't do that to anyone here, even someone who you are mad at. I hope you take this friendly and sincere advice. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 23:56, 2 July 2012 (UTC)