Talk:Muhammad

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 June 2021 (2)

The Line which has misinformation about Muslims having difference of opinion about end of Prophethood if FALSE. Please make an edit ASAP. The reference is clear throughout the Muslims and anybody who denies this isn’t considered a Muslim. Reflexa9 (talk) 20:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: —C.Fred (talk) 20:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

"Those guys aren't Muslims. We are the only true Muslims." No true scotsman etc. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 21:05, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 June 2021

==Family tree==

Kilab ibn Murrah

Fatimah bint Sa'd

Zuhrah ibn Kilab (progenitor of Banu Zuhrah) maternal great-great-grandfather

Qusai ibn Kilab paternal great-great-great-grandfather

Hubba bint Hulail paternal great-great-great-grandmother

`Abd Manaf ibn Zuhrah maternal great-grandfather

`Abd Manaf ibn Qusai paternal great-great-grandfather

Atikah bint Murrah paternal great-great-grandmother

Wahb ibn `Abd Manaf maternal grandfather

Hashim ibn 'Abd Manaf (progenitor of Banu Hashim) paternal great-grandfather

Salma bint `Amr paternal great-grandmother

Fatimah bint `Amr paternal grandmother

`Abdul-Muttalib paternal grandfather

Halah bint Wuhayb paternal step-grandmother

Aminah mother

`Abdullah father

Az-Zubayr paternal uncle

Harith paternal half-uncle

Hamza paternal half-uncle

Thuwaybah first nurse

Halimah second nurse

Abu Talib paternal uncle

`Abbas paternal half-uncle

Abu Lahab paternal half-uncle

6 other sons and 6 daughters

Muhammad

Khadija first wife

`Abd Allah ibn `Abbas paternal cousin

Fatimah daughter

Ali paternal cousin and son-in-law family tree, descendants

Qasim son

`Abd-Allah son

Zainab daughter

Ruqayyah daughter

Uthman second cousin and son-in-law family tree

Umm Kulthum daughter

Zayd adopted son

Ali ibn Zainab grandson

Umamah bint Zainab granddaughter

`Abd-Allah ibn Uthman grandson

Rayhana bint Zayd wife

Usama ibn Zayd adoptive grandson

Muhsin ibn Ali grandson

Hasan ibn Ali grandson

Husayn ibn Ali grandson family tree

Umm Kulthum bint Ali granddaughter

Zaynab bint Ali granddaughter

Safiyya tenth wife

Abu Bakr father-in-law family tree

Sawda third wife

Umar father-in-law family tree

Umm Salama sixth wife

Juwayriya eighth wife

Maymuna eleventh wife

Aisha third wife Family tree

{{{Zaynab bint Khuzaymah}}}

Hafsa fourth wife

Zaynab seventh wife

Umm Habiba ninth wife

Maria al-Qibtiyya twelfth wife

Ibrahim son

• * indicates that the marriage order is disputed
• Note that direct lineage is marked in bold.

What’s the point of this ¿?

 Not done because it is not clear what you want done. Add that monstrosity to this article? This is a biography of Muhammad, not an article about every relative of his. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:44, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2021

Greetings, as per according to a book called: "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History" written by Michael H. Hart, Muhammad is considered to be the most influential person in history. Namely, You can read more about it on the link below this request. As per this request, I would like to ask You to add this piece of information to the section Legacy, specifically its subsection "Modern historians"

Regards,

Adin

https://www.gainpeace.com/about-muhammad/most-influential-person-in-history-by-michael-h-hart Dzida888 (talk) 15:09, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Why do you think the personal opinion of a racist astrophysicist is WP:DUE for this article? And why would a person who isn't a historian be added to historians? Jeppiz (talk) 15:14, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Full stops before or after quotation marks or both

In the 'Islamic tradition' section a quotation has the full stop both before and after the quotation mark. I thought I knew this rule but am beginning to doubt myself can someone fix it if needed. The internet has been a little contradictory hence my ask for help. From text: In Islamic belief, Muhammad is regarded as the last prophet sent by God.[254][255][256][257][258] Quran 10:37 states that "...it (the Quran) is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book—wherein there is no doubt—from The Lord of the Worlds.".

Dushan Jugum (talk) 11:38, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I think I read somewhere that there was a WP:ENGVAR aspect to this as well. SMcCandlish, any wisdom? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

See MOS:QUOTEMARKS, especially MOS:LQ. There is not an ENGVAR aspect to it, and doing both, e.g. writing "Foo bar baz.". is an error. If the quoted material is a full sentence and ended with the dot, include the terminal punctuation inside the quotation marks ("Foo bar baz."); put it outside otherwise ("Foo bar baz".). As that last sentence shows, however, material inside parentheses that ends with a dot – most often an abbreviation but in this case sample code – does not obviate a sentence-ending dot after the parenthetical if it ends the sentence. Finally, don't trust "the Internet" (i.e. millions of random strangers who have nothing authoritative to say about how to write on Wikipedia) on this or any other style question, or even trust other style guides like The Chicago Manual of Style or New Hart's Rules. You'll get different answers from every style source you consult. We have our own style manual for good reasons, most importantly inter-article consistency and reduction of editorial conflict over style trivia (which is inevitable if one is bible-thumping their copy of CMoS and another quoting NHR, or whatever).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:13, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. The original ends with a period. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 14:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

What does mean "founder" means?

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In what sense is the word "founder" used on this page? J-ğğğ-ğğğ-J (talk) 14:05, 8 August 2021 (UTC) in the sense that there was no organised religion called Islam, with all its rituals and dogma before Mohammed's writings detailed it. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 14:33, 8 August 2021 (UTC) So you say "this word senses that Islam and Quran Karim is fabricated by Muhammad and the thing that other prophets lectured was not the same thing as he lectured"; astaghfurillah. Anyway, did I get your word correct? If that's what the word founder mean, sorry pal, you guys have to revert your claim on being neutral. J-ğğğ-ğğğ-J (talk) 14:48, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Sorry pal, there was no Islam before Mohammed, there was Islam after Mohammed, He founded the religion. IdreamofJeanie (talk) This is your subjective belief, and not mine. You got an unrefutable argument shows us that there was no Islam before him and/or people didn't falsificated the God's word that we can't even know they done that? You say there was no Islam before Muhammed, but no. It can't be said that Muhammad fabricated the Islam just because we couldn't find a physical proof, cuz you also not have one that proves otherwise. Neither you nor I don't know what happened, just have beliefs. What if God revelated the message, why are you not believing this and believe Muhammed is false prophet? Is there a situation between these two subjective beliefs that enables one of them to be stronger in terms of neutrality? J-ğğğ-ğğğ-J (talk) 15:04, 8 August 2021 (UTC) J-ğğğ-ğğğ-J, put simply, if you want to claim something existed, you need to prove it existed, whether it is Islam or Russell's teapot. Yes, non-existance is the accepted, default, common-sense position. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 15:17, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Who said non-existence is the default and common-sense belief? Ignorants, maybe, but I dont think they did. Who could managed to prove this? Nobody. You can prove that there is no elephant in a drawer without opening it, because you have a brain. If the universe had not been created, you could bring proof of it, because you have a brain. For an evidence to be true, it does not need to be objective, reason is sufficient, even if an objective proof of the existence of something has not been discovered, it does not change the fact that the other person does not show an objective proof. Or because you can't see inside the drawer or because the claimant has to prove his claim, can't you prove that there is no elephant in the drawer? You can prove, because elephant doesn't fit to drawer. But you can't prove universe is uncreated, because this logic doesn't fit to human brain. J-ğğğ-ğğğ-J (talk) 15:32, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Science offers a perfectly sound, logical, progressive explanation without recourse to magic. Oh and yes, science works with brains too. IdreamofJeanie (talk) 15:39, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Muhammad founded Islam, simply put he came before Islam and after left Islam in his wake. This in effect causes him to be the founder. 2605:A601:A880:8C00:5577:4E5E:BE79:EF6D (talk) 16:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC) Even if what previous prophets taught was the same as what Muhammad taught, that doesn't mean it was Islam. It means that Islam incorporated those previous teachings into a new whole. What existed before included Christianity, Judaism, and the predecessors, descendants, and variants of those. --Khajidha (talk) 18:39, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 August 2021

Hi! Can you add this description to beginning of the Appearance section?

In one of the earliest sources, Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, there are numerous verbal descriptions of Muhammad. One description sourced to Ali ibn Abi Talib is as follows:

The Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, is neither too short nor too tall. His hair are neither curly nor straight, but a mixture of the two. He is a man of black hair and large skull. His complexion has a tinge of redness. His shoulder bones are broad and his palms and feet are fleshy. He has long al-masrubah which means hair growing from neck to navel. He is of long eye-lashes, close eyebrows, smooth and shining fore-head and long space between two shoulders. When he walks he walks inclining as if coming down from a height. [...] I never saw a man like him before him or after him. Fixer1928 (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

References

While there is merit in the suggestion, the article already contains a similar quotation from Ali ibn Abi Talib, with three citations attached. Can you clarify the differences? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

This quote tells about the color of Muhammad's hair. Fixer1928 (talk) 18:24, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, that's kind of unnecessary to say for that region of the world, where everyone without exception has black hair, unless the hair has turned gray from age. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:46, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Some people try to attribute light hair to him, so this quote may help to stop that. Fixer1928 (talk) 04:56, 15 August 2021 (UTC)