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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ciesse Piumini (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Promotion. Fails WP:NCORP. CresiaBilli (talk) 12:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. There are at least two reliable, independent sources showing significant coverage of the subject in the article: [1][2]. This is enough to satisfy WP:NCORP without even needing an additional WP:BEFORE search. CresiaBilli can you maybe better motivate your nomination? Broc (talk) 12:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Broc. The references are present to establish passage of NCORP and any concerns regarding promotional content can be addressed via editing. Frank Anchor 15:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Issues in the article doesn't make AFD a suitable venue. Geschichte (talk) 16:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep however lead should be expanded. Other than that they have given plenty to establish notability in my view.
Joecompan (talk) 21:53, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 10:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Shooting ranges in Norway (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This list article comprehensively fails WP:LISTCRITERIA on the basis the article is a list of inter-wiki links to Norwegian Wikipedia.
Looking at the linked articles on NO:WP, they seem to just consist of a table of shooting ranges with name, municipality and the lat/long (which links to GeoHack).
So what we have is a list of links to pages on another wiki, which would themselves fail WP:NOTDIRECTORY here.
This is fine on no.wp if it meets their GNG. On en.wp it does not.
There's no encyclopaedic content there worth importing to en.wp which would help this page meet WP:GNG. I don't see how this page meets (or could ever meet) notability unless it could be rewritten to cover some unique or special feature of Norwegian shooting ranges that marks them out from ranges anywhere else in the world (if such a feature exists, which it probably doesn't).
I don't think any argument can be made that the no.wp links are just placeholding until equivalent articles can be created on en.wp because I can't see how a page like this would past LISTCRITERIA on en.wp. It's interesting and useful information... but for some sort of geo project. It's not encyclopaedic content. Hemmers (talk) 08:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete We don't have articles that do nothing but link to articles on other language wikis that would not be approved as an article here. Reywas92Talk 13:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Suggest that List of shooting ranges in Akershus is nominated as well. Ajf773 (talk) 10:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Ajf773 Agree. I have done so Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of shooting ranges in Akershus Hemmers (talk) 16:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Reywas92. Orientls (talk) 17:58, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. I see a consensus here to Keep this article and no support for Deletion other than the nominator. The article needs work but that can be addressed through editing.
There is also a strong disagreement from participants here that WP:NEWSORGINDIA applies to countries other than India. Please do not use it as a justification for deletion in future nominations. Liz Read! Talk! 01:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- PTV Sports (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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References do not show how this is notable. Plenty of unreliable sources and NEWSORGINDIA but nothing in-depth. Recommend a redirect to parent Pakistan Television Corporation. While I did not do so prior to the AfD, programming also needs to be removed per WP:NOTTVGUIDE. It appears that the notability of the page is attempted to be heightened by the mentions of the programs it shows. CNMall41 (talk) 23:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: I will reserve a !vote for now but for those who may not be aware, PTV Sports is country's state-owned channel dedicated to sports, much like DD Sports in India. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- When searching for references, make sure to weed out those that apply to PTV Sports (TV program) as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- PTV Sports (TV program) is a Filipino TV program, so obviously editors searching in Pakistani sources won't encounter such references. 2A00:F29:248:C1E5:69B9:937C:A897:D420 (talk) 16:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- When searching for references, make sure to weed out those that apply to PTV Sports (TV program) as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep I have added more RS.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 21:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- These "reliable sources" seem to fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Can you point out the specific ones that show notability?--CNMall41 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are many news articles show controversy or negitivity about channel. So, WP:NEWSORGINDIA may not apply here. This may apply when all are praising. Ameen Akbar (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- That is not how that works. NEWSORGINDIA has to do with the context of the article (who wrote it, is it churnalism, etc.), not whether it is positive or negative. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are many news articles show controversy or negitivity about channel. So, WP:NEWSORGINDIA may not apply here. This may apply when all are praising. Ameen Akbar (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- These "reliable sources" seem to fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Can you point out the specific ones that show notability?--CNMall41 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep NEWSORGINDIA cannot possibly apply to this article (and I'm surprised the nom hasn't received blowback for even mentioning that country's name in this nom for a Pakistani subject and network); it has enough sources within to easily pass WP:N and is by default Pakistan's main sports channel. Cull back the programming list to only cricket and soccer as a simple list and source it; that's the only true issue with this article. Nate • (chatter) 00:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment is a little uncivil but I understand your concern as it has been raised several times in the past. NEWSORGINDIA has been applied to the entire subcontinent in both articles and AfD discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Nate. The RfC consensus ([3]) was just about Indian mainstream media, and there was no discussion that we can apply this to whole Indian subcontinent countries (i.e., Bangladesh, Bhutan, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka). As far as I can see, only CNMall41 is trying to extend that consensus to whole South Asia as if they are part of India or these countries are in some sort of union like EU, which is not the case. I'd recommend seeking a similar consensus about Pakistani sources with evidence on WP:RSN first and then adding similar wording as a note for our reference. This is how this should work. 94.201.21.216 (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, you seem not to be familiar with the discussions. In fact, it was suggested to change the name as having "India" in the NEWSORGINDIA heading makes it seem like it is singling out a specific country and/or nationality which I don't think is proper. You are more than welcome to start a discussion but as stated, this has been applied in many AfD discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- This should be done if only to resolve the dispute. I read the sections in question and found no mention of countries other than India. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, you seem not to be familiar with the discussions. In fact, it was suggested to change the name as having "India" in the NEWSORGINDIA heading makes it seem like it is singling out a specific country and/or nationality which I don't think is proper. You are more than welcome to start a discussion but as stated, this has been applied in many AfD discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Nate. The RfC consensus ([3]) was just about Indian mainstream media, and there was no discussion that we can apply this to whole Indian subcontinent countries (i.e., Bangladesh, Bhutan, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka). As far as I can see, only CNMall41 is trying to extend that consensus to whole South Asia as if they are part of India or these countries are in some sort of union like EU, which is not the case. I'd recommend seeking a similar consensus about Pakistani sources with evidence on WP:RSN first and then adding similar wording as a note for our reference. This is how this should work. 94.201.21.216 (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your comment is a little uncivil but I understand your concern as it has been raised several times in the past. NEWSORGINDIA has been applied to the entire subcontinent in both articles and AfD discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Nate and WP:HEY. It is literally a state-owned monopoly and the only broadcaster of international events in Pakistan (Dawn covered it in detail). It has been operational since the 1970s as a sports division of PTV, similar to BBC Sports, which is a division of BBC. There is a large amount of offline and online coverage about the topic and some of them have been added already to the article. Meets WP:GNG. 2A00:F29:249:8243:E4E0:CA6C:D0E7:378B (talk) 16:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Amazing coincidence. Back to back IP addresses commenting. But, here we are. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Other than Dawn, can you link to more in-depth coverage?--CNMall41 (talk) 16:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It's an important sports channel in Pakistan that many people rely on for sports coverage. The channel is well-known and meets WP:GNG. Yakov-kobi (talk) 00:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your effort. What are the references that support notability? --CNMall41 (talk) 05:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Star Mississippi 13:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Fails GNG. The few sources which mention the subject do not constitute significant coverage of it. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. Per WP:AVOIDCOI, making mention that I created the article. Additional information and sources added. Meets GNG's description of significant coverage, "... addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Even when the article had one source, it sufficiently addressed the topic directly and in detail. Regardless, I have added more information to the article, as well as additional citations from additional secondary sources - all of which meet GNG's definition of significant coverage. I have also added an external link, on the article, to the press release report released by the founding schools when it was established - one of the cited sources also links to it. GuyBanks (talk) 03:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unless the decision is made to delete all the other articles on individual Missouri high school conferences:
- Big 8 Conference (Missouri)
- Big Springs Conference
- Carroll-Livingston Activities Association
- Central Missouri Activities Conference
- Eastern Missouri Conference
- Frisco League
- Gateway Athletic Conference
- Greater Kansas City Suburban Conference
- Kansas City Interscholastic Conference
- Metro Women's Athletics Association
- Ozark Conference
- Suburban Conference (St. Louis)
- Summit Conference (conference)
- Western Missouri Conference
- In addition to all the other states high school conferences: Category:United States high school athletic conference navigational boxes
- GuyBanks (talk) 04:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unless the decision is made to delete all the other articles on individual Missouri high school conferences:
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- Comment: Local coverage, such as what has been added here thus far, is usually not permitted for organizations per WP:AUD. Let'srun (talk) 18:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep there is enough coverage in the page for a pass of GNG. Frank Anchor 19:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Per WP:AUD local coverage such as the Ozarks First, Ozarks Sports Zone, and a local radio station (the three sources in the article currently) does not establish notability under WP:NORG for any of these sports leagues. Let'srun (talk) 21:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: WP:AUD says news coverage must be regional - which is what the "Ozarks" news sources are. GuyBanks (talk) 21:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players with no prejudice to recreation as an article if further sources develop in the future. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Joe Phillips (English cricketer, born 2003) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject person played only 1 List-A and 2 First class match. Does WP:GNG surpasses WP:NCRICK? Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Twinkle1990: - can I just point out NSPORT states that "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (for example, the general notability guideline...) - so all NSPORT is saying that people who meet those criteria are considered notable, but not meeting those criteria doesn't automatically make them non-notable. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - meets GNG. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't appear on the cricket delsort - tryingto add that again first Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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- At worst this is an obvious redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players where his name needs to be added. A note should also be added, as has been done for others. Beyond that I have no particular view here - there are some sources, but not so many. I suspect he is likely to be covered in others as well fwiw Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. He does not meet GNG - this is the one qualifying source. Gloscricket is obviously not independent coverage. -- asilvering (talk) 18:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, but he may be notable in the future, i.e. WP:NOTNOW. SWinxy (talk) 01:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SWinxy, in this case, wouldn't a redirect be more appropriate? That way, if he becomes notable in the future, someone won't have to start the article from scratch. -- asilvering (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, borderline decision but given the rhythms and vagaries of the English county cricket season we are approaching the part where younger players are used to a greater extent, precisely the time this page will be useful to people who follow the game to refer to. Hildreth Gazzard (talk) 06:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. References are currently insufficient for GNG. Frank Anchor 18:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Passes WP:NCRIC as a cricketer who has played at the highest domestic level. I would add [4] and maybe [5] to the references. Tau Corvi (talk) 14:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - This AfD was initiated after an AFC discussion. I don't see any rationale AfD discussion here. Twinkle1990 (talk) 16:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- can you please clarify what you mean here, or adjust the link to point to a discussion? Star Mississippi 16:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Link corrected now. Sorry for the confusing link. Twinkle1990 (talk) 01:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- can you please clarify what you mean here, or adjust the link to point to a discussion? Star Mississippi 16:23, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Sulaiman Ismail (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No notable career achievements that can be verified. News coverage is nonexistent. He is the brother of Rocket Ismail, however per WP:BLPRELATED, that is irrelevant. 162 etc. (talk) 22:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Brooklyn Kabongolo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. Sources are primary sources that do not show notability. Only has 9 appearances at 5th tier of English soccer. Demt1298 (talk) 18:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sam Sather (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of this low-level college football player (NAIA) to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 19:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Tyler Kjetland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Low-level college football player (NAIA) with no indication of notability. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 20:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. The cited refs aren't SIGCOV in reliable, independent sources. Cbl62 (talk) 01:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:GNG. A similar article on one of Kjetland's teammates, Sam Sather, should likely also be deleted. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Texas challenge flag (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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It would appear to me this is a neologism. The article lacks references, and with the required WP:BEFORE done, that would seem to be because it is a new term that is without attestation in reliable sources. A move to a notional Draft:Texas challenge flag considered, but I doubt in would, at least in the near future - let's say by 2025 - be accepted. As always, please do prove me wrong. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 08:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe the title is bad but the incidents are verifiable and the reliable sources are connecting those incidents as being related (to the idea that since the game has to stop if objects are thrown on the field, fans are doing such throwing because they disagree with officials/referees' calls). [I am the article creator] (u t c m l ) 🔒 ALL IN 🧿 10:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. There are no reliable sources provided that refer to this topic. The only sources I find that refer to this are eith not reliable or not independent. E.g. this. Delete per WP:NOTNEO, WP:GNG, and bordering on WP:HOAX. Cbl62 (talk) 15:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The fan/flag situation at the game was somewhat notable, but no cited sources use this WP:NEO article title. Could add mentions to 2024 NCAA Division I FBS football season instead... or try to establish notability of the Texas vs. Georgia game itself for its own article. I would support creation of an article like Interference (baseball) for gridiron football where notable instances like this can be listed. Perhaps should list it at List of violent spectator incidents in sports...
"Incidents of object or snow throwing are included when it ... causes significant delays or cancellation of the event."
PK-WIKI (talk) 17:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC) - Definitely delete under that title, as there are no reliable sources using the phrase "Texas challenge flag". Also, that title assumes that these incidents acted as a challenge flag, despite the evidence that it had no effect on officiating. I very much doubt that this content is salvageable under any title because it's not clear that the three incidents are more than superficially related, and it's even less clear that the throwing of debris had any effect beyond a fine for the home team (in at least one case). Pichpich (talk) 20:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Because there is a disconnect between fans' understanding of the rules, and the actual rules. That's the whole reason there was no actual effect. But what the cited articles are referring to is the fact that some fans think that they can achieve a reversed call this way, which is why they have tried to do it. (u t c m l ) 🔒 ALL IN 🧿 00:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Throwing debris on the field/pitch/ice/court when the crowd doesn't like a call is a time-honored tradition and existed way before video review. It's a dumb way to express one's frustration but I'm sure the vast majority of those throwing debris are not dumb enough to think it will influence the refs and help their team. Pichpich (talk) 17:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Because there is a disconnect between fans' understanding of the rules, and the actual rules. That's the whole reason there was no actual effect. But what the cited articles are referring to is the fact that some fans think that they can achieve a reversed call this way, which is why they have tried to do it. (u t c m l ) 🔒 ALL IN 🧿 00:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete; I don't even know where to start with this: WP:NOTNEWS, WP:RECENTISM, and moreso WP:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Probably some WP:OR mixed in also, but it's not worth spending more time than necessary examining that. There's only two sources that have a chance of counting towards WP:GNG, but they don't mention this term let alone directly discuss the topic with in-depth secondary coverage. The conference website is not an independent reference for those incidents, and their official statements are primary sources. Left guide (talk) 05:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a pitcher leaders (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Similar situation to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a right fielder leaders, which resulted in the lists by position being trimmed and merged to List of Major League Baseball career double plays leaders. The top 100 players at each position, split into their own articles, and then a list of other hall of famers at their positions and relevant stats, is more narrow a scope than is appropriate. All of these are basically copies of leader tables (link) from Baseball Reference. The top 100 players at each position, in their own lists, is excessive, and Wikipedia is not a database. Proposing that the relevant lists be trimmed and merged to their own sections at List of Major League Baseball career putouts leaders. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a catcher leaders (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a first baseman leaders (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Support Merge of all, per nom and for the same reasons as in the double play merger. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 23:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- So, is List of Major League Baseball career putouts leaders the Merge target article that is being proposed here? Liz Read! Talk! 03:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Based on them saying per nom and that being the target I mentioned, I do believe so @Liz. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I just wanted to confirm this. Liz Read! Talk! 09:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough :) Hey man im josh (talk) 11:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I just wanted to confirm this. Liz Read! Talk! 09:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- So, is List of Major League Baseball career putouts leaders the Merge target article that is being proposed here? Liz Read! Talk! 03:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge all to List of Major League Baseball career putouts leaders as proposed. For future reference, WP:PM might be the way to go for similar merge proposals. I was under the impression that AfD is for attempting to delete an article or for redirect attempts that have been reverted. Left guide (talk) 03:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Kirby Puckett's 1991 World Series home run (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is a WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Nothing contained here can't also be contained at 1991 World Series, Kirby Puckett, and other relevant pages, or cut as cruft, like the announcer calls. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to 1991 World Series#Game 6 per nom. This home run can be summarized within the game summary. Frank Anchor 18:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect per Frank Anchor, seems like a fine target. Conyo14 (talk) 06:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just for the record, this article was already nominated for deletion once, and the consensus was to keep it. And that was well over two years ago (back in June 2022 to be precise). BornonJune8 (talk) 6:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- That keep was on procedural grounds due to it being nominated as part of a group (noting that I was involved in that discussion). There was never a consensus to keep this particular article. Frank Anchor 21:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Correct. As the original nominator, I just failed to follow up on it with individual noms, until now. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- That keep was on procedural grounds due to it being nominated as part of a group (noting that I was involved in that discussion). There was never a consensus to keep this particular article. Frank Anchor 21:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect as suggested above. Kablammo (talk) 12:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rdr per Frank Achchor. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 00:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- David Freese's 2011 World Series home run (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is a WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Nothing contained here can't also be contained at 2011 World Series, David Freese, 2011 St. Louis Cardinals season, 2011 Texas Rangers season, and 2011 Major League Baseball postseason. Some items, like about Albert Pujols, have no relevance to the subject of this article. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Just for the record, this article was already nominated for deletion once, and the consensus was to keep it. And that was well over two years ago (back in June 2022 to be precise). BornonJune8 (talk) 6:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- That keep was on procedural grounds due to it being nominated as part of a group (noting that I was involved in that discussion). There was never a consensus to keep this particular article. Frank Anchor 18:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2011 World Series#Game 6. Anything extra can be covered there. Conyo14 (talk) 06:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rdr per Conyo14. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 00:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per Conyo. Anything can be covered in the proposed target, and a lot of this article already is covered there. Frank Anchor 18:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable, WP:NOTDICTIONARY violation. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Yet another non notable NPL team. As per the other NPL teams, does not meet WP:GNG and should never have been created in the first place. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Yet another article created for a Nepal Premier League team by editors ignoring the fact that these teams aren't notable enough for separate articles (there have been multiple AFDs for other NPL teams). No evidence this team is anywhere near passing WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Kennett Bros (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No SIGCOV. Does not appear to be a noteworthy bussiness on WP. Alexeyevitch(talk) 11:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep I accept that sourcing in the article is deficient. It’s not something that I can do much about as I know Simon and Jonathan well. There would not be a serious mountain biker in New Zealand who would not know of them as they are legends. As such, this article isn’t just about the company, but the three brothers themselves. Given that they have been inducted into the MTB Hall of Fame, that in itself is a strong indicator of notability.Simon would probably meet GNG due to his international racing career, but that was prior to the internet age. As a company, they manage to reprint their MTB guide once every three years and I have read an article that no other NZ publisher apart from Edmonds manages to keep a book in circulation over many years. I’d be happy to go hunting for sources if someone else is prepared to put that into the article. Schwede66 18:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see there's nothing on the Tour Aotearoa Brevet, Kopiko Brevet or Sounds to Sounds Brevet - our more recent focus. I'm happy to help but can't really get hands on! Paul Kennett (talk) 23:22, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Paul, please post on the article's talk page with your suggestions and references. Schwede66 00:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- I see there's nothing on the Tour Aotearoa Brevet, Kopiko Brevet or Sounds to Sounds Brevet - our more recent focus. I'm happy to help but can't really get hands on! Paul Kennett (talk) 23:22, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - This does not necessarily need to meet WP:NCORP if it can be shown to meet notability guidelines for biographies (see Wright brothers). I am having issues finding references that talk about them as a group (reliable, secondary, and in detail). Paul, you have already gotten your "hands on" based on the edit history (lol). That aside, you would obviously know more about the available reliable sources than editors here so if you can post them on the talk page or here on the discussion page I would be happy to have a look. If there are sources that show notability as a group (or a page for you or another as a standalone) I would be happy to do the cleanup on the page per WP:HEY. Again, it does not need to meet NCORP standards but the sources would need to be in-depth about you and the others as a group. Cheers! --CNMall41 (talk) 20:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep these three appear to easily pass notability just on the sources I have found with some quick searching. They seem to be particualrly notable in the world of competitive and recreational cycling in NZ. I've added a pile of references talking about them and their publications. I think each of them is possibly not notable enough for an article individually, but when combining their accomplishments and coverage they reach notability. I would recommend renaming the article to Kennett brothers as they are frequently referred to as such in media coverage, and we should then lean into this becoming more of a biographical article than a business article. The article definitely needs work but they are certainly notable enough to have one and it should not be deleted. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 00:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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No sources to meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT and not remotely close to a claim to notability, having played 2 cup games for J League teams. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 20:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Doesn't meet WP:SPORTSBIO / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 20:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Rightfully prodded by User:Piotrus in 2023. Played very briefly in Japan’s second league, India’s second league and in Singapore. Nothing usable in ja:wiki, no sources to meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Creator is indefinitely blocked. Geschichte (talk) 07:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: One or two goals isn't the stuff of notability, playing in the third league is very likely non-notable. The lack of sourcing in both the Ja and En wiki articles are also indicative of non-notability. I can't find any sourcing about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 14:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Played briefly in Japan’s third league. Nothing usable in ja:wiki, the longest source mentions Arai in half a sentence. Therefore no sources to meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Creator (Simione) is active in AFD, what do you think? Geschichte (talk) 07:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Deleted before. Very weak claim to notability with 5 games/169 minutes in Japan's third league, no significant and independent sources (including ja:wiki), fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 20:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I don't know this user, but the deletion notices on their page suggest they had a habit of creating pages as soon as a player crossed the white line into Japanese third division football, even if that turned out to be the only time in their career. Some users were prolific under the old WP:NFOOTY guideline in creating perma-stubs like this with just a link to a database, as if notability were to be WP:INHERITED from a (still minor) league or club. Simply put, right now, any page on Wikipedia should WP:GNG or just GO. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Danil Novikov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG (WP:NBASIC).--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 17:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I don't know the local media profile of Yenisey or the Russian second tier, but presumably it's focused around players whose input was more than four minutes [6] at that level. No argument has been made for WP:GNG notability as an individual. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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This is one of many articles created by Zombie433, who has since been banned due to adding dubious stories. I cannot find any significant coverage for this men's footballer, who has never played at professional level, to meet WP:GNG. The sources provided are either match reports and routine transfer announcements. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 14:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Pages should be judged on the subject and not the creator, but I concur that this is embellished. I removed remarks that he opted to play internationally for Mali, because the source didn't say that. I don't think this man got anywhere near international football. The infobox says three games for Southend United, which could have tipped the balance to keep, but the text only mentions a trial. I would usually use Soccerbase for English professional clubs in the 2000s, and it has no record of a Manuel Kanté playing. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Records are also non-existent for his 2004-05 season with Falkirk - in which they won promotion to the Scottish Premier League. Finding one of three games from 45 that season in which he appeared would be a thankless task [7] Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Most of his career was spent with lower level teams with no evidence of winning any major trophies. Current resources link to mostly non-existent articles currently and only one is focused on subject of article. Does not have secondary sources to prove WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 14:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC) Demt1298 (talk) 14:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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The claim to notability, playing 15 games in Japan's second league 10 years ago, is weak. The sources (including in the ja:wiki) are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. The creator of the article is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 08:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 23:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 19:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG and not updated since 2017. Simione001 (talk) 22:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to 2015 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea. -- Lâm (talk) 03:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 19:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 21:03, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 21:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to 1992 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea. -- Lâm (talk) 03:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 19:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Kumpei Kakuta (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unfortunately, I don't see this player meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, spending one season in Singapore and then moving on to the fifth tier of Japanese football. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: fails GNG, I'm finding only passing mentions in much larger articles (and not many of them, either). AntiDionysius (talk) 20:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Iikka Miettinen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not a notable football manager, WP:TOOSOON at best. Held positions such as analyst, U19 assistant, assistant and U19 coach. The sources are not independent or significant; the YLE piece is not about Miettinen, but about Roberto Mancini with Miettinen's reports about the manager. The Aamulehti piece is about an U17 club tournament, there's nothing notable about that. Geschichte (talk) 20:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG. Sources are primary sources that do not show notability. Only has 9 appearances at 5th tier of English soccer. Demt1298 (talk) 18:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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This claim to notability, playing a total of 620 minutes in Argentina's league, is weak. The only possible WP:SIRS material I found is ESPN Argentina which tells that he debuted for Arsenal de Sarandí in 2015. Corresponding article on Spanish Wikipedia is an unsourced dumping ground. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 13:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, too little to ascertain notability. Geschichte (talk) 17:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thailand–Vietnam football rivalry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unanimously deleted in the first AFD. Therefore echoing User:Spiderone's words from then; "I can't find much to support the existence of this rivalry, let alone its notability. See WP:NRIVALRY; rivalries are not inherently notable and GNG needs to be met. In this case, it doesn't appear to be met." Geschichte (talk) 10:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment – I know the rivalry exists to some degree since they are both members of the EAFF, even if it's not Thailand's main rivalry (it seems to be against Indonesia). Svartner (talk) 14:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There are at least two references in the current version that directly discuss the rivalry: The New Mandala article (which is actually more about the nationalist background to the conflict) and the Fox Sports Asia article reproduced by Seasia. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep – Both teams are members of the ASEAN Football Federation and had officially faced each other 55 times since 1956. Both teams had established a long rivalry due to them being close to each other geographically, and since they frequently face each other in the important games of regional tournaments such as SEA Games or the AFF Championship. The match between both teams is considered as the "El Classico of ASEAN". References about this rivalry in English may be limited, but in Thai or Vietnamese, the number of references covering this subject is immense. For example, in Vietnamese : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 . During the press conference for friendly game between Vietnam and Thailand in September, Vietnam national team coach Kim Sang-sik also said "The relationship between Vietnam and Thailand is a rivalry like the one between South Korea and Japan, it's a regional rivalry." 7. - Lâm (talk) 17:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - still no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- GiantSnowman, I pointed out two sources in the article and Lâm mentioned several Vietnamese sources above. It would be nice if you explained why you think they contribute no evidence of notability. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Paul 012 could you help find references for this subject in Thai as well? It would be a great addition to the article alongside the sources in Vietnamese. Lâm (talk) 15:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please justify the sources you say are GNG. GiantSnowman 18:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Paul 012 could you help find references for this subject in Thai as well? It would be a great addition to the article alongside the sources in Vietnamese. Lâm (talk) 15:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- GiantSnowman, I pointed out two sources in the article and Lâm mentioned several Vietnamese sources above. It would be nice if you explained why you think they contribute no evidence of notability. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Vakha Keligov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG (WP:NBASIC). Closest I could get to finding sources that establish notability for this football player are databases and statistics, which do not constitute in-depth, significant coverage of the subject. Nothing much outside of that in Russian either. ~ Tails Wx 03:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Modest career with 8 games in Albania's highest league and several seasons in the semi-pro second tier. Some unsubstantiated reports about big-club scouting; I could not find a single piece of evidence for that. What I found during a WP:BEFORE was duplications of a transfer announcement [8] [9], a short and insignificant piece [10] and a piece about Erzeni's squad where Teqja is mentioned in passing [11]. Geschichte (talk) 22:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per lack of sufficient notability. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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No refs on the page for a long time. It's tough to read sources from Iran but this one is quite spicy - it is about an official complaint that the stadium has never been finished. I can't tell if it has ever actually been used for sport, however the news clips as far as I can tell looking at translated pages appear to be regurgitated from official sources (announcing the opening and this one about complaints). I don't think it is notable because it's an unfinished building project. JMWt (talk) 08:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Ardabil – Non notable stadium. Svartner (talk) 07:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 19:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 20:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to 2019 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea. - Lâm (talk) 05:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect According to User:Lâm TNM101 (chat) 12:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 20:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 23:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to 2019 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea (I originally voted delete but support the redirect proposed by other users) as the only "references" in the articles are passing mentions in a squad list "X, Y, Z ... and him were selected for the team" - not meeting the WP:SIGCOV requirement of WP:BIO, and inclusion in automated soccer player databases with limited biographical information (name, age, matches played). Couldn't find much more than this with searches both in English and Korean. MolecularPilot 00:20, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2019 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea. - Lâm (talk) 05:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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I just don't see any trace of notability for this Bulgarian second-tier footballer. Not now and not in the short term, making draftification undesirable in my opinion. Geschichte (talk) 21:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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Stats stub on a footballer that only ever played 101 minutes of professional football. No evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC, even when searching in Tamil (உமா சங்கர்). Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 07:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Stats stub about a footballer that doesn't seem to pass WP:SPORTBASIC. My searches yielded E-pao and Sportskeeda but these are both trivial mentions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 07:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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My own searches did not yield any significant coverage in the Russian language media. No evidence of a WP:SPORTBASIC pass. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Has some coverage but not enough for WP:SPORTBASIC, in my view. FCPSR and Student Sport both mention him but it's really just trivial match report coverage rather than anything substantial. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 07:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Had a brief career in Serbia and then Montenegro. My searches did not yield any significant coverage so there is no evidence of meeting WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 07:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Played only 26 mins in the top tier of Serbia before disappearing into the lower, local tiers. My Serbian searches did not yield anything that would count towards WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 07:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Despite his 2 games in the top league in Belarus, I can find no significant coverage that would count towards a passing of WP:SPORTBASIC. My searches in Belarusian and Russian yielded nothing better than the database sources much like the ones already present. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. By the way, I was wondering... Is there any article of Belarusian sportsperson (especially footballer) that pass WP:GNG? I do not think the country has trusted news media unlike neighbors Russia and Ukraine. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 15:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine ones like Aliaksandr Hleb would pass. He has, however, played abroad. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Which sources show significant coverage? All I saw are match reports and press releases. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 13:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hleb isn't up for deletion so I don't want to go on too much of a tangent as we should be discussing Kazakow only. If we have any notability concerns about him, though, feel free to send Alexander Hleb to AfD. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Which sources show significant coverage? All I saw are match reports and press releases. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 13:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I imagine ones like Aliaksandr Hleb would pass. He has, however, played abroad. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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Deleted before. No indication of meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Created by notorious sockpuppet user and block evader. Geschichte (talk) 12:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT with only 2-3 minutes played in Singapore and no independent and significant sources. Geschichte (talk) 12:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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I've been trying to draftify these articles, but they keep getting moved back by the creator. The two AfDs that have run for a week and weren't relisted were redirected. My understanding is that there was a consensus at one point to have these sorts of articles, but consensus might be changing. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 11:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Maltese FA Trophy, doesn't need a separate article. Wikishovel (talk) 23:30, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Maltese FA Trophy - unless someone finds sources showing notability (or WP:V as a bare minimum), we shouldn't be having these. Also consider monitoring the redirect as the creator has been reverting the recent AfD closures. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 14:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Balko played a total of 205 minutes at professional level before transferring to MFK Zvolen in 2015 and disappeared. The only secondary source I found is SITA, a transfer rumor to Chelsea in 2015. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 11:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, too short career and comes up too short on sources. Geschichte (talk) 20:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Michal Áč (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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My research indicates that he only played 36 matches for FC Nitra and has disappeared for over ten years since. The only secondary source I found is a passing mention on Nitraden, but I'm not sure how reliable it is. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 13:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:55, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ri Yong-chol (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 22:37, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination. Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is a brief dumping ground. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 13:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Can't find this Ri Yong-chol significantly covered in reliable sources. Fails WP:NSPORT. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. asilvering (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Pyotr Berezin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fail WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, WP:NSPORT. As far as I have looked, the only sources that reference him are football databases. No secondary sources. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 15:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:NSPORT or WP:ANYBIO. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. asilvering (talk) 17:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Naoya Seita (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This looks like a WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT failure. In the Japanese Wikipedia, all sources are non-independent (published by the subject's employers) except for two dead at-s.com links. The claim to notability, playing 60 minutes in Japan's second league and 201 minutes in the third league, is extremely weak. Geschichte (talk) 15:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:ANYBIO. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. asilvering (talk) 17:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Junya Higashi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This looks like a WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT failure. In the Japanese Wikipedia, all sources are non-independent (published by the subject's employers). The claim to notability, playing 113 minutes in Japan's first league and 18 matches in the third league, is weak. Geschichte (talk) 15:37, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:ANYBIO. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Rightfully prodded by User:Spiderone back in 2009. The claim to notability, playing 6 games in Japan's second league and 1 cup game, is very weak. The sources (including those found in ja:wiki) are not enough to rectify that and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 07:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Alexeyevitch(talk) 07:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's significant coverage here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - @Alexeyevitch:, @GiantSnowman:, @BeanieFan11:, I found [12], [13], and [14] among more sources. Clearly signficant player in NZ local football who won OFC Champions League, five league titles and played for the NZ national and olympic team. Article needs improvement not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- First source is decent, second one too broad, third one inaccessible. GiantSnowman 21:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. I can't read Das osmnezz's ProQuest link, but the first one is sigcov (as pointed out above), and, by looking through ProQuest myself, I located this which is arguably sigcov as well. For a New Zealand international and Olympian, this should probably be sufficient. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- That source is also inaccessible. GiantSnowman 21:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Copied from the source:
ANY PLANS Tim Myers and his soccer-mad mates might have had for these school holidays went on hold early last month. Against the odds, the Myers-led Soccer 2 team beat Australian champions FC Melbourne 2-1 on an outer field at North Harbour Stadium, and with it won the chance to lace their boots at the Manchester United Premier Cup tournament in Hong Kong. The under-15 team ... leaves tomorrow on the trip of their lives. As captain, Myers has the honour of leading the team, who include two of his Auckland Grammar schoolmates, into the unknown ... Since being selected for Soccer 2 this year when he was juggling cricket and soccer, Myers has been aware of the big prize, but admits he and his team-mates did not carry any great expectations into the game against Melbourne. When Soccer 2 fell a goal behind after 20 minutes to an Australian team so confident of success that they did not turn up until the day before the game, he was not too surprised, but said he and the rest did not give up ... Myers, a defender who first kicked a ball as a five-year-old at the Eastern Suburbs club where he continues to play, is under no illusions as he prepares for the 10-day trip, which will include, realistically, four pool games, but not much else...
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- Copied from the source:
- That source is also inaccessible. GiantSnowman 21:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I think the two NZ Herald articles clearly exceeds the notability requirements for WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG.
- FYI anyone can access Proquest content via the Wikipedia Library if you have enough edits to your name. An inaccessible source is still a source. However the proquest links above appear to just be the NZ Herald sources already in the article.
- He is also mentioned here[1][2] as replacing another injured player in a world cup qualifying game, with the coach saying, "Tim is another promising young player from the ASB Premiership. He's part of the Olympic team and he'll do the shirt proud if called upon during this tournament." David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 02:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Reid out, Smith retains captaincy", RNZ, 2012-05-30, retrieved 2024-11-01
- ^ Woodcock, Fred (31 May 2012), "Myers in for injured Reid in cup qualifier", The Marlborough Express
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- Weak Delete: The new sources do not provide WP:SIGCOV, just a couple of sentences about the subject. The only source I see that passes WP:GNG is the New Zealand Herald, and although he is featured in more than one article there, it will count as only one source unfortunately. DesiMoore (talk) 15:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – I would like to know why the user @Canary757 reverted the edit with my vote. Svartner (talk) 14:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- total accident, no idea it had happened, not sure how, please accept my apologiesCanary757 (talk) 14:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- No problem. Svartner (talk) 15:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- total accident, no idea it had happened, not sure how, please accept my apologiesCanary757 (talk) 14:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – The NZ Herald's sources look good enough for WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- My understanding is that one source is inadequate. Simione001 (talk) 20:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I've made some additions, agree with Das osmnezz that the article needs improvement not deletion. Kiwichris (talk) 07:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ri Myong-jun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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Delete or Redirect to 2007 FIFA U-17 World Cup squads#North Korea as WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 02:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)- Weak keep Bits around and more on the web to digest, I found little bits with [15], [16], youtube, [17]. There appears to be more sources around on the internet about him which I can't be bothered to go through. The nature of his career shows there was interest in him and some reporters have picked up on that and reported it. You just need to go looking, an extensive WP:BEFORE hasn't been done here in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 09:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Considering that information about these North Korean players is almost impossible, here at least we have something. I'm going to withdraw my vote, I don't know if it's enough for WP:SIGCOV, but let's expand the discussion. Svartner (talk) 00:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Of the four sources, only the first seems to be decent. Source #2 is primary, Source #3 is against WP:LINKSTOAVOID, while Source #4 is a brief mention in match report. None of them pass WP:GNG in my opinion. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 16:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Considering that information about these North Korean players is almost impossible, here at least we have something. I'm going to withdraw my vote, I don't know if it's enough for WP:SIGCOV, but let's expand the discussion. Svartner (talk) 00:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my reply to Govvy and Svartner. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 16:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - @GiantSnowman:, @Svartner:, I found [18], [19], and [20] among other sources which is decent for a North Korena player. Definitelyy has offline North Korean sources too. One of few North Korean players to have played professionally for a few European clubsm and has 5 goals in 9 games for the national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 08:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Why do people often say good sources for a North Korean footballer like the bar is lower for some reason? The nationality of the player isn't relevant and then also speculating about the apparent existence of offline sources. Simione001 (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Why do people often say good sources for a North Korean footballer like the bar is lower for some reason?
– do you understand the situation of media in North Korea? Do you realize that they don't have real media? Why should they be treated with the same strictness as those from countries with extensive media? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Why do people often say good sources for a North Korean footballer like the bar is lower for some reason? The nationality of the player isn't relevant and then also speculating about the apparent existence of offline sources. Simione001 (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- 1939–40 Maltese FA Trophy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is another article I moved into draftspace; it was then moved into mainspace back without any changes. A WP:BEFORE search would be difficult for something that happened in the 1930s. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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Delete or re-draftify.There's definitely something out there - see [21], which has a different date and scoreline for the final. This also contains similar but different information. If we could simply independently verify the information and fix what's wrong, I'd switch to keep in an instant. SportingFlyer T·C 23:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 14:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Maltese FA Trophy, doesn't need a separate article. GiantSnowman 14:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Maltese FA Trophy – Impossible to WP:V. Svartner (talk) 15:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Can User:I dream of horses stop creating these. At least one of the two original nominations is trending to keep. The normal method with these kinds of things is just to nominate a single article, and see how that goes. Nfitz (talk) 19:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Maltese FA Trophy per WP:V failure Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Further to the above, see here where the creator says that they have contacted the Maltese FA directly for the information but won't be able to provide a source, so basically original research. This article fails V and NOR, 2 of the 3 main policies of Wikipedia. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Changing to keep. It's not original research, it's not unverifiable, and it's part of an article structure which should be able to have an article on it if it passes GNG. There are definitely articles on the tournament, including this modern one. Unfortunately some of the information in the newspaper article doesn't match what is in our article, and I trust the newspaper more. I'm sure there would be additional sources if we were able to do a newspaper search of Malta for 1940 papers. SportingFlyer T·C 03:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've also fixed the scoreline in the final, added scorers, and added two sources to the article. It could use further improvement, but I don't know how to look at Maltese papers. It's almost certainly notable if that 2007 article can get into that level of detail, though. SportingFlyer T·C 03:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- @SportingFlyer If an article can be sourced, it should be kept. However, all because the 2007 article is sourceable doesn't mean this one is; if this one is sourceable, though, that's a good thing! I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 03:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've also fixed the scoreline in the final, added scorers, and added two sources to the article. It could use further improvement, but I don't know how to look at Maltese papers. It's almost certainly notable if that 2007 article can get into that level of detail, though. SportingFlyer T·C 03:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Osvaldinho (footballer, born 1945) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No sign of notability. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep – There are some online sources [22], [23], and considering the period and number of matches, there must be more offline. Svartner (talk) 15:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't really enough to meet WP:GNG and arguing WP:TMBS here feels pretty weak, especially since one of the sources is somebody's substack. Allan Nonymous (talk) 18:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- For players from the 60s-80s in major European leagues, it is inevitable that there is nothing in local newspapers and compendiums. Svartner (talk) 18:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Inevitable that there is something, probably? Geschichte (talk) 21:19, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- For players from the 60s-80s in major European leagues, it is inevitable that there is nothing in local newspapers and compendiums. Svartner (talk) 18:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't really enough to meet WP:GNG and arguing WP:TMBS here feels pretty weak, especially since one of the sources is somebody's substack. Allan Nonymous (talk) 18:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep per sources/arguments above which show notability. Show some WP:COMMONSENSE. 200+ apps for Vitoria, a major club. GiantSnowman 14:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep I believe this is a valid WP:STUB article, for some reason, some editors don't believe in stub articles anymore. Govvy (talk) 09:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Per above. Portugal national team player with 200+ top flight pro appearances in pre internet era so defintly has offline sources. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 12:16, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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I moved this to draftspace, but it was moved back unsourced. Of course, a WP:BEFORE search would prove difficult, at best, for events that happened in the 1930s. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Maltese FA Trophy – Impossible to WP:V. Svartner (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 08:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This 2016 article proves this can be verified, and that the competition was "worthy of note" by 1936 standards.— Preceding unsigned comment added by SportingFlyer (talk • contribs) 00:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per SportingFlyer. Malta was a crown colony in the 1930s and had a few newspapers then, Gazzetta Maltese (Italian) covered sports, Times of Malta founded in the 1930s covered sports, I don't know how complete this List of newspapers in Malta is, however, there are still ways to search the old newspapers then. So a true WP:BEFORE can never be done until someone has actually reviewed these old publications. Is wikipedia going to very strict and delete what is in essence would be classic archival of historical season results for this tournament? I ponder that as, this kind of article is what I believe the WP:Football project should be creating. Govvy (talk) 09:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Govvy I tried the alternative of draftication due to similar concerns of my own (but with a more deletionistic bias), but the article sat in draftpace for a few days and then was moved back unchanged. The creator had "articlecountitis," attemping to make similar unsourced articles rapidly, but has since stopped. Of all those articles, I think this one is the only one which has any hope to be kept; hopefully, if that happens, either you or SportingFlyer adds the proper sourcing and summarizes it. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 10:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- There are several of these at AfD at the same time, all created by one user. The main problem with them is the complete lack of sourcing, and we're not in a position to find one. They also contain some errors. If an original source had been provided, none of these would be at AfD! These are difficult sources to track down, they shouldn't be on us to find, so I don't really care if some are kept and some are redirected, but I do want to make the point that these should be eligible for articles. SportingFlyer T·C 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @SportingFlyer I'm of the view that redirects are cheap, in part they are a good deal easier to revert than an outright deletion (basically, I'm a deletionist, but at my core, I'm a redirectionist/mergist). I'm okay with redirection or being kept but with sourcing as well. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- There are several of these at AfD at the same time, all created by one user. The main problem with them is the complete lack of sourcing, and we're not in a position to find one. They also contain some errors. If an original source had been provided, none of these would be at AfD! These are difficult sources to track down, they shouldn't be on us to find, so I don't really care if some are kept and some are redirected, but I do want to make the point that these should be eligible for articles. SportingFlyer T·C 17:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Govvy I tried the alternative of draftication due to similar concerns of my own (but with a more deletionistic bias), but the article sat in draftpace for a few days and then was moved back unchanged. The creator had "articlecountitis," attemping to make similar unsourced articles rapidly, but has since stopped. Of all those articles, I think this one is the only one which has any hope to be kept; hopefully, if that happens, either you or SportingFlyer adds the proper sourcing and summarizes it. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 10:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - contemporary coverage of this historical event. Nfitz (talk) 19:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting. I closed the discussion on 1936–37 Maltese FA Trophy as a Redirect outcome but this AFD shows more support for Keeping these year's trophy article. Can someone do a source assessment (if there are reliable sources)?
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- @Liz: There's one main source, which is a modern article on the trophy. I can't do any more research on this, but the fact the article is that detailed and written years later, along with the knowledge this is a major trophy (for Malta) shows that a historical source search should bring up more information. SportingFlyer T·C 03:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- 1899–1900 Staffordshire Senior Cup (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Individual season for local league, fails WP:GNG, WP:N, and WP:FOOTBALL, no significant coverage and nothing remarkable that merits inclusion of this particular season in comparison with other seasons which don't have articles Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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Redirectto Staffordshire Senior Cup, not sure why you call Staffordshire local, it's a big area!! This occurred a long time ago so I don't know the coverage, there maybe some there in county and local newspaper searches. However I suggest redirect for now as alternative to deletion. Govvy (talk) 09:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 18:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 18:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't really serve as a useful redirect though, firstly because none of the other seasons of this cup standalone exist as articles or redirects, and secondly, it's useful to no one as people aren't really going to search that season specifically just to redirect to the overall article. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm seeing a lot of coverage in the BNA for this season. Obviously in the Staffordshire Sentinel, but also in national papers like the Sporting Life, Morning Leader, and papers from other counties. I currently don't have BNA access, User:Pkbwcgs can you precis your BNA search results? Nfitz (talk) 20:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting this AFD discussion. I originally closed this discussion as "Redirect" but was asked by an editor whether or not there was a strong consensus for this outcome and after reviewing, I decided to revert myself and relist this discussion. Pinging participants User:Pkbwcgs, User:Govvy, User:GiantSnowman and User:Nfitz
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- I remain of the view that a redirect is the most suitable outcome. GiantSnowman 08:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - I'm finding a lot of references to that season's competition, particularly in the BNA archive, which I don't have access to. There's less in Newspapers.com because of it's limited UK collection - but I've added 8 references to the article and expanded, from 8 different publications. Can User:GiantSnowman review these? There seems to be plenty of further references available to fully document the season, some surprisingly detailed! Nfitz (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- None of them look like anything other than results or routine news. GiantSnowman 09:41, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't link any results. These were all text - admittedly one was very brief. Routine refers to sports scores. And this is more than that. Also, someone needs to look at the BNA search results. Most importantly - from your edit history, you spent no more than 30 seconds reviewing 8 references. Your original vote was equally as fast. I really think that not much weight should be given to this redirect opinion. Nfitz (talk) 19:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I got temporary BNA access, so in recognition that many of the references are local, I added 5 more references from other parts of England. Also, I added a second reference from the The Staffordshire Sentinel that is surprisingly detailed, giving a background of the competition before the final match was to be played. So that should sort any remaining GNG concerns. Nfitz (talk) 00:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- None of them look like anything other than results or routine news. GiantSnowman 09:41, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep per improvements to the article, I'd probably like to see a little more depth, but it's much better, thank you Nfitz. Govvy (talk) 09:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete yes there have been improvements to the sourcing, but I do not see evidence of WP:SUSTAINED coverage. All of the BNA articles listed are from the time of the matches, when of course there will be some coverage. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Joseph2302: Is a topic talked about overtime? Well, the clubs that played in this have the ability to mention it in their match day programmes when they play each other again. That does constitute what you call primary sourcing. However, this in essence is really a historical record on the competition. Having on wikipedia can also give the ability for people to find it and out source it. However, What do you want wikipedia to do? There are policies upon policies on wikipedia, but if you don't want to keep a historic record on wikipedia, then whats wikipedia for? An encyclopaedic archive of historical events and information? This is one of those things, sigcov, sustained are policies, guidelines to adhere, sometimes we do need to look beyond that. But hey, that's my ... two cents. Regards. Govvy (talk) 11:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep this is a fantastically easy keep on GNG grounds just by looking at the sources cited by the article. It's also been significantly WP:HEYed by Nfitz since it was first nominated. I've never seen SUSTAINED invoked for individual seasons before, otherwise we'd lose a lot of the encyclopaedia. SportingFlyer T·C 03:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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- HK Alfa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG, cannot find any significant coverage anywhere with the exception of database websites. Also, the club existed only for 4 years. Snowflake91 (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, not enough coverage and GNG is not met in any case. --Tone 22:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Team played in the top-level Slovenian league, which receives significant coverage in the national media. --Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 00:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- And? Provide that "significant coverage" that covers HK Alfa then, and as you have been told at some other AfDs, playing in a league does NOT guarantee notability anymore since the notability system was overhauled in 2022, they simply need to pass WP:GNG regardless of which league they play in. If the league receives "significant coverage", it would only make the league notable, and not all of its clubs, especially not some random amateur clubs that only existed for 4 seasons. And there is no second division anyway, so "top-level" doesn't mean much, they didn't need to climb to this division, Slovenian ice hockey only has like 6 teams, of which only 2-3 are professional while other are "hobby clubs", including Alfa. Snowflake91 (talk) 10:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Wits of the Brats (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not independently sourced. A WP:BEFORE search failed. I unilaterally moved this to draftspace once already. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep As someone already mentioned, it meet the WP:NFILM since it was the first and the only Fu Sheng's directorial roles on films and among the last films he acted on before his death and I made this article initially as a tribute to him. If there's a problem with the plot then you can watch it by yourself on Dailymotion https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ibl4f if you can understand mandarin. There are other older hong kong films article with some dated as early as 2007 that were outrageously less sourced and arguably less notable than this article, and I don't see editor having problem with those article and I think now this article have enough proper source in the latest edit at the time of this reply.
- Dauzlee (talk) 12:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think there was any problem with the plot. But thanks. Mushy Yank (talk) 12:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- But in general we don't use non-expert reviews to establish notability. So maybe a good part of the reviews
you'veNicholas0 recently added won't count, I'm afraid. Mushy Yank (talk) 12:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Entirely unsourced, entirely unverifiable. Search just throws up Amazon Prime listings and the like. Draft was the right move, now this is the right move. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: meets WP:NFILM as the only director effort of Alexander Fu Sheng. A redirect (various targets come to mind: lists of films, directors, producers..) should have been considered anyway. So, absolutely opposed to deletion. Pinging @Prince of Erebor: to ask them if they can locate sources to add to the ones I've already added (various SPS expert reviews exist but I did not add them). Mushy Yank (talk) 10:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: I found several reviews and the film is referenced on many websites. It is particularly notable because of the directors involved. Once there is a Wikipedia page for it, even more people will realize that it exists and review it. Then even more reviews can be added. --Nicholas0 (talk) 12:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Sorry but you can only !vote once. Would you please unbold one of your 2 keeps, please? Thanks.Mushy Yank (talk) 12:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)- I only voted once, though. Are you confusing me with someone else? Nicholas0 (talk) 13:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I apologise! Silly me. Mushy Yank (talk) 13:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I only voted once, though. Are you confusing me with someone else? Nicholas0 (talk) 13:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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- [Edit conflict] Strong Keep: This is a 1984 film, and the Chinese titles were all misspelled, which probably explains why an internet search yielded no results. I found two sources from Lianhe Wanbao[24][25], two from Shin Min Daily News[26][27], four from Kung Sheung Daily News[28][29][30][31], and one from Wah Kiu Yat Po[32], and have added all of them to the article (+significantly expanded it). GNG is clearly fulfilled at this point. @I dream of horses and Alexandermcnabb: Please review the newly located sources. —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 14:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Film has coverage here, here and here and this is just from Singapore. There's definitely far more in offline sources from Hong Kong. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 14:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Guys, these are tiny pieces - snippets - of coverage in local foreign language print media. If they're more than listings or passing mentions, it certainly doesn't seem so. I think this is really reaching - is the film truly notable by WP English standards? Internationally notable? From this, I'm still calling it 'no'... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Alexandermcnabb: I beg to differ with your source assessment. 1. Non-English sources are allowed on WP and contribute to notability in the same way as English sources. Please see WP:NONENG. 2. All the sources I added, except for source 14, are full-length articles entirely covering the film. I have actually come across at least 5 other articles with less significant coverage while searching for sources, and I have already screened them out. I am pretty sure that if I were truly adding sources with merely passing mentions, at least double that number could be included. With 8 strong sources that provide SIGCOV, GNG is undoubtedly fulfilled. —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 16:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, absolutely on WP:NONENG - but I can only see very, very short print snippets in Chinese/Mandarin being brought up here. Perhaps someone might like to step up to: "If you quote a non-English reliable source (whether in the main text or in a footnote), a translation into English should accompany the quote."... Because absent that, these sources are a) very short and b) being in print and not English, effectively non-verifiable - WP:PROOF Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Err... Alexandermcnabb, the two reasons you listed are contradictory. As I mentioned, 8 of the 9 sources I cited are full-length articles, averaging hundreds of words each. It is exceedingly demanding for me to translate all of them. If you expect long, detailed articles with SIGCOV on the subject, then anticipating a full-length translation of hundreds or thousands of words in the footnote is unrealistic. Also, I have linked all of the articles, and they are digitally accessible, so being in print is not a concern. —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 16:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, absolutely on WP:NONENG - but I can only see very, very short print snippets in Chinese/Mandarin being brought up here. Perhaps someone might like to step up to: "If you quote a non-English reliable source (whether in the main text or in a footnote), a translation into English should accompany the quote."... Because absent that, these sources are a) very short and b) being in print and not English, effectively non-verifiable - WP:PROOF Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Alexandermcnabb: I beg to differ with your source assessment. 1. Non-English sources are allowed on WP and contribute to notability in the same way as English sources. Please see WP:NONENG. 2. All the sources I added, except for source 14, are full-length articles entirely covering the film. I have actually come across at least 5 other articles with less significant coverage while searching for sources, and I have already screened them out. I am pretty sure that if I were truly adding sources with merely passing mentions, at least double that number could be included. With 8 strong sources that provide SIGCOV, GNG is undoubtedly fulfilled. —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 16:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Guys, these are tiny pieces - snippets - of coverage in local foreign language print media. If they're more than listings or passing mentions, it certainly doesn't seem so. I think this is really reaching - is the film truly notable by WP English standards? Internationally notable? From this, I'm still calling it 'no'... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The sources that have been added have translated titles, and they seem entirely appropriate as references. For example, "After Eleven Years in Film and Twenty-Seven Films, the Early Departed Alexander Fu Sheng’s Directorial Debut Wits of the Brats was also His Unfinished Final Work" is obviously the start of a full article, not a brief mention. Alexandermcnabb's argument that "being in print and not English" means that the sources are "effectively non-verifiable" is a clear violation of WP:NONENG. It may be "effectively non-verifiable" to you at a glance, but there are people in the world who can read Chinese/Mandarin. Toughpigs (talk) 18:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sulaiman Ismail (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No notable career achievements that can be verified. News coverage is nonexistent. He is the brother of Rocket Ismail, however per WP:BLPRELATED, that is irrelevant. 162 etc. (talk) 22:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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- The Cane as a Weapon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Neither the book nor the author appear notable. This is a book summary. ZimZalaBim talk 02:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment I don't see anything immediately referencing this on Scholar or Newspapers, so this appears to be a factually correct nomination... but I wonder if we're missing something. This is clearly a real book, short though it may be, from 112 years ago. It's in the public domain. Why should we delete this solely on notability grounds? Jclemens (talk) 06:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I guess because merely existing, no matter for how long, doesn't satisfy WP:BK. I searched too, and didn't find any coverage of this. --ZimZalaBim talk 13:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Guidelines are there to help us write the best encyclopedia possible. They don't exist in a vacuum, and in large part they are designed to keep people with COI from misusing Wikipedia for (passive or active) self promotion. This is so old that isn't a consideration. Jclemens (talk) 06:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I know. But just being old doesn't make this automatically notable. --ZimZalaBim talk 15:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- And non-notable content may be kept in the encyclopedia on a case-by-case basis when exceptions are compelling. That's why it's a guideline, not a policy. Jclemens (talk) 19:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- The main point of requiring topics to be notable, per WP:WHYN,
is to ensure that editors create articles that comply with major content policies
. More broadly, it's a form of quality control/way of maintaining encyclopedic standards. Can we create quality content that abides by our policies here? TompaDompa (talk) 20:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)- Based on the improvements made to the article since nomination, it appears the answer is clearly yes. Jclemens (talk) 04:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- The main point of requiring topics to be notable, per WP:WHYN,
- And non-notable content may be kept in the encyclopedia on a case-by-case basis when exceptions are compelling. That's why it's a guideline, not a policy. Jclemens (talk) 19:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I know. But just being old doesn't make this automatically notable. --ZimZalaBim talk 15:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Guidelines are there to help us write the best encyclopedia possible. They don't exist in a vacuum, and in large part they are designed to keep people with COI from misusing Wikipedia for (passive or active) self promotion. This is so old that isn't a consideration. Jclemens (talk) 06:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I guess because merely existing, no matter for how long, doesn't satisfy WP:BK. I searched too, and didn't find any coverage of this. --ZimZalaBim talk 13:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I found a source in the NYT - I also found this book that mentions the author. If there are more like this, we could probably make this an article about Cunningham and have a section about the book. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 13:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- This description of the book is kind of hilarious. It's a favorable advert, of course, but kind of tongue in cheek. With the other source I didn't realize that was put out by the American Society of Civil Engineers. Is that a society along the lines of the Royal Societies? Would membership in that count towards notability? ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 13:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- The ASCE website says it has over 150,000 members so it doesn't appear very exclusive. I have no idea how impressive it was to be a member over 100 years ago. Papaursa (talk) 21:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I was afraid that would be the case, but wanted to ask. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 15:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- The ASCE website says it has over 150,000 members so it doesn't appear very exclusive. I have no idea how impressive it was to be a member over 100 years ago. Papaursa (talk) 21:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Huh. There was a very strong, promising start but I can't really find anything else. I get the feeling that there's probably more out there, just tucked away in various archives and not indexed in any substantial way on the internet. At the same time, I don't really have a ton of proof to back that up, other than the NYT source and a handful of other things, much of which are put out by organizations associated with Cunningham.
- So unless someone can provide sourcing, I'm leaning towards a delete. I don't want to make an official judgement call on my end because I'm admittedly hoping someone will find something. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 14:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- I found a review of the book in the Saskatoon Daily Star, Feb 1913. Does that help? Toughpigs (talk) 17:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Every bit helps! I'd like a little more ideally before I'd be super comfortable arguing for a keep, but this is a good step in the right direction! ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 15:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I found a review of the book in the Saskatoon Daily Star, Feb 1913. Does that help? Toughpigs (talk) 17:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Jamie Vance (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No WP:SIGCOV that I could find. Most articles other than this one are just a passing mention. Other results are just tennis databases etc. Barely meets WP:NTENNIS (was an alternate at 2022 Delray Beach Open and 2022 Sofia Open) but fails WP:SIGCOV. RachelTensions (talk) 13:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. As per nom. Shrug02 (talk) 22:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Fails notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 21:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - In tennis, the criterion is that a player must have competed in the main draw of one of the top professional tournaments (WTA Tour tournaments (WTA Finals, WTA 1000, WTA 250 or WTA 250 events)) and have won at least one championship. Winning a WTA Challenger level tournament or any of the ITF W50, W75, or W100 tournaments starting in 2023 ($50,000+ between 2008 and 2022, $25,000+ between 1978 and 2007) or any WTA 125K tournament. This rule applies to both singles and doubles players. Player!!! The player made her WTA Tour main draw debut at the 2022 Morocco Open. and She won Vrnjačka Banja Open ITF W60, Wiphold International ITF W50 and Torneig Internacional Els Gorchs ITFW100 Tournaments. As a result, this player meets the criteria.User:Vecihi91 12:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you know all this then why don't you add the content and citations to prove it? Even if what you say is the case (and I have no reason to say it isn't), then at the moment the article still lacks significant coverage references. Shrug02 (talk) 10:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Meeting WP:NTENNIS is only an indicator that significant coverage is likely to exist. You would still need to prove that WP:SIGCOV exists for the article to meet notability criteria. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NTENNIS only says that significant coverage is likely to exist if they meet the guidelines, it's not a rule that says they are notable if they meet a criteria on WP:NTENNIS. If significant coverage doesn't exist then they don't meet the criteria for an article. RachelTensions (talk) 14:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - meets WP:NTENNIS but no WP:SIGCOV outside of passing mentions or stats databases. RachelTensions (talk) 14:05, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
KeepCan these resources cover WP:SIGCOV it?[1][2][3][4] User:Vecihi91 22:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Only one bolded keep per user Geschichte (talk) 20:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. SIGCOV woefully lacking. Sources above are the barest of passing mentions in routine event result announcements about other tennis players. JoelleJay (talk) 19:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ekaterina Yashina (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails notability and significant coverage criteria. This is a tennis player who has never won a WTA Tour level title or even got close, never reached a Grand Slam tournament main draw and the few citations on the page are merely bog standard stat profiles. There is no significant coverage shown. I did PROD this but apparently that has been done before and challenged hence I'm going this route now. Shrug02 (talk) 21:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - In tennis, the criterion is that a player must have competed in the main draw of one of the top professional tournaments (WTA Tour tournaments (WTA Finals, WTA 1000, WTA 250 or WTA 250 events)) and have won at least one championship. Winning a WTA Challenger level tournament or any of the ITF W50, W75, or W100 tournaments starting in 2023 ($50,000+ between 2008 and 2022, $25,000+ between 1978 and 2007) or any WTA 125K tournament. This rule applies to both singles and doubles players. Player!!! As a result, this player meets the criteria.User:Vecihi91 12:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you know all this then why don't you add the content and citations to prove it? Even if what you say is the case (and I have no reason to say it isn't), then at the moment the article still lacks significant coverage references. Shrug02 (talk) 11:17, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Meeting WP:NTENNIS is only an indicator that significant coverage is likely to exist. You would still need to prove that WP:SIGCOV exists for the article to meet notability criteria. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Fails notability and significant coverage criteria. Tennis player who has never won a main draw title, never played in a Grand Slam tournament main draw, never been ranked in the top 250 in the world and no significant coverage of her is included in the sparse references. Shrug02 (talk) 12:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - In tennis, the criterion is that a player must have competed in the main draw of one of the top professional tournaments (WTA Tour tournaments (WTA Finals, WTA 1000, WTA 250 or WTA 250 events)) and have won at least one championship. Winning a WTA Challenger level tournament or any of the ITF W50, W75, or W100 tournaments starting in 2023 ($50,000+ between 2008 and 2022, $25,000+ between 1978 and 2007) or any WTA 125K tournament. This rule applies to both singles and doubles players. Player!!! The player She won Open Andrézieux-Bouthéon 42 ITF W75 Tournaments. As a result, this player meets the criteria.User:Vecihi91 12:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you know all this then why don't you add the content and citations to prove it? Even if what you say is the case (and I have no reason to say it isn't), then at the moment the article still lacks significant coverage references. Shrug02 (talk) 10:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Radka Zelníčková (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet notability or significant coverage criterias. Shrug02 (talk) 22:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete – I found this article but it doesn't seem to be enough. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 11:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - She won first W40 now W50 title at the doubles tournament in Pazardzhik Cup. meets the criteria.User:Vecihi91 14:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- That is like a club cricket or football team winning a local league. Also there is still the lack of significant coverage issue. Shrug02 (talk) 14:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Keep- In tennis, the criterion is that a player must have competed in the main draw of one of the top professional tournaments (WTA Tour tournaments (WTA Finals, WTA 1000, WTA 250 or WTA 250 events)) and have won at least one championship. Winning a WTA Challenger level tournament or any of the ITF W50, W75, or W100 tournaments starting in 2023 ($50,000+ between 2008 and 2022, $25,000+ between 1978 and 2007) or any WTA 125K tournament. This rule applies to both singles and doubles players. Player!!! As a result, this player meets the criteria.User:Vecihi91 12:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)- If you know all this then why don't you add the content and citations to prove it? Even if what you say is the case (and I have no reason to say it isn't), then at the moment the article still lacks significant coverage references. Shrug02 (talk) 10:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Melanie Klaffner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet notability or significant coverage criterias. Shrug02 (talk) 22:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Subject has SIGCOV in reliable, independent sources. Jevansen (talk) 21:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep In tennis, the criterion is that a player must have competed in the main draw of one of the top professional tournaments (WTA Tour tournaments (WTA Finals, WTA 1000, WTA 250 or WTA 250 events)) and have won at least one championship. Winning a WTA Challenger level tournament or any of the ITF W50, W75, or W100 tournaments starting in 2023 ($50,000+ between 2008 and 2022, $25,000+ between 1978 and 2007) or any WTA 125K tournament. This rule applies to both singles and doubles players. Player!!! As a result, this player meets the criteria.User:Vecihi91 12:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you know all this then why don't you add the content and citations to prove it? Even if what you say is the case (and I have no reason to say it isn't), then at the moment the article still lacks significant coverage references. Shrug02 (talk) 10:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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