User talk:Mvjs

Thanks

Thanks for the celestial broom. I hope this article passes. You put in a lot of work. Oh, and for a bit of fun, I've got a silly survey to fill out. You might be a fan of the people pictured in the link in my sig ... YellowMonkey (choose Australia's next top model) 08:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem mate. Thanks for the survey! Mvjs (talk) 08:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

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Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		Regardless of the result, you deserve acknowledgement for the effort you have pumped into the Melbourne Airport page. Let's keep it going! \ / (talk) 02:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Yet Another Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I am not very happy with the result but in the end you put alot of work into this, that should have and will result in a passed FAC. Marcusmax (talk) 03:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Re : 1a FACs

You might not heard from me before personally, but I would say that we are pretty much in the same boat after looking at your FAC. I also have one article that has failed in a spectacularly similar manner (twice!) due to 1(a) problems.

I can tell you that the path to meeting 1(a) is a very steep one. The common advice to seek Peer Review, GoCE, etc. is easier said than done, having exhausted every other option myself without much success, getting more a handful of copy editors and still not passing the criteria. I'm thinking of setting up some kind of task-force with editors facing the same problem so that we can pool together whatever resources we have and work something out for everyone. Perhaps like "1A Rescue". What do you think? - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 10:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note! 1A Rescue certainly sounds like an intriguing idea. It's certainly very frustrating with the article being perfect in every way except one particular editor (I think you could guess who!) insists that the prose is not up to scratch. Let me know if there's any further developments on this. Mvjs (talk) 10:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's the de-facto standard of 1(a); You can't argue through. And a few editors who tried pushing their luck with their FACs found themselves facing "court martial" when they ran for RfA. We'll have to find another way through. - Mailer Diablo 10:45, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, certainly. I guess in a way it's good - this will force our article's prose to get better and in the end that is good for everyone. Mvjs (talk) 07:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the next step of action for now is to prepare the article for a second peer review. I don't really like the 14-day debarment, but there's not much we can do. It would need a lot more feedback for the first one. Be sure to drop by your Wikiproject to see if you can muster more help. I'll be going through something similar, hopefully some kind of breakthrough would at least be in sight (as in having a method that works). - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 21:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll certainly look into doing a second peer review. Again, thanks for your help and for your interest. Mvjs (talk) 07:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Message reply

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Qantas

I've requested a page protection so it can be discussed on the talk page rather having an edit war. Bidgee (talk) 10:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Bidgee. There's an AfD discussion going on at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Qantas_Flight_87 too. Mvjs (talk) 10:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Bruce Kingsbury

Hello! I've just completed an upgrade to the Bruce Kingsbury article. I know it isn't really your field but I was hoping you'd be able to do a quick run through to check for typos etc. \ / (⁂) 06:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I've given the article a MoS audit but otherwise it looks like a pretty solid article. Couldn't find any noticeable typos but I'll give it a more thorough look through a bit later if I get a chance. Well done! Mvjs (talk) 07:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I have added inline citations now - but I don't know how to add two citations to one source. Is that possible? Or do I have to have duplicates in the reference section? \ / (⁂) 12:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I seemed to overlook this. You simply have to name the reference. e.g. instead of <ref>http://www.essendonairport.com.au/</ref> it would be <ref name=essendonairport>http://www.essendonairport.com.au/</ref>. Then, you can simply use <ref name=essendonairport/>. Hope that's helpful. MvjsTalking 10:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

EIther find a better image or no image

The image on the page is out and out ugly and creates bias.01001 (talk) 16:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Melbourne Airport Copyedit

Found this list of copyeditors, maybe it will help you with melborne airport. -Marcusmax (talk) 20:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Prior to the FAC, I asked probably half a dozen of these people and two have done somewhat of a copyedit. They don't seem particularly enthusiastic to copyedit Melbourne Airport (or copyedit in general?). Thanks for the suggestion though. Mvjs (talk) 20:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe they should update that list with people who care. Anyways on a unrelated note keep your eye on that A-class review at WP:AVIATION, I am still waiting for an article to be passed or failed that I put up a year ago. -Marcusmax (talk) 22:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

V Australia changes

I'm a direct employee of V Australia and changes made in accordance with direct knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canaussie (talk • contribs) 10:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

That would constitute original research and editing the article could breach Wikipedia's conflict of interest policies. Mvjs (talk) 10:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Well that sucks....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zuluman29 (talk • contribs) 10:34, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Melbourne GAN

Hi. I have submitted a GAN review for Melbourne at Talk:Melbourne/GA2. Best, epicAdam^(talk) 15:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your review. I'll get onto those soon. Mvjs (talk) 08:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!!

Thanks for the smile I needed it. I am contemplating leaving wikipedia, especially now after a Editor Review calling me a WP:NOOB. As of right now i'm staying so when your ready to work on Melbourne Airport again then I should be here. -Marcusmax (talk) 23:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution to my RfA, by the way, it means a lot to me. It's very sad to hear you contemplating leaving Wikipedia. You're a fantastic editor who has a great understanding of Wikipedia's policies and you'd be a terrible asset to loose. I am ready to work on Melbourne Airport when ever you are. It's just I'm not certain what there is to do. I can't see how I can copyedit it anymore and I'm not sure if there are too many copyeditors left on Wikipedia who'd be willing to copyedit it, to be honest. If you've got anything in mind, my ears are open. MvjsTalking 05:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I know all this copyediting is becoming extreme, the A-class review is taking to long and there are still some users who think of this article as to boring to work on. I will get some friends from the project to complete the A-class review, and we will go from there. Oh and as of right now i'm not leaving, I just need to get a higher edit summary, and who knows maybe I can try to get some Rollback rights.-Marcusmax(speak) 19:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. It'll be good to get the A-class review done and dusted. Good luck on getting your rollback rights. MvjsTalking 20:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Pls don't simple del the Future destinations For AAX ok damn it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.50.184.188 (talk) 11:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Please see Talk:AirAsia_X#Future_Destinations_section MvjsTalking 20:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Your RFA

Best wishes for your RFA -- Tinu Cherian - 13:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. MvjsTalking 20:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Deleted my addition on 'baldness' article

That is a research article you just deleted my friend. Are you going to delete the other links too then.....tsk tsk.--Ericg33 (talk) 01:10, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Didn't actually notice them. Deleted. MvjsTalking 05:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

RFA

Hi - it is unlikely that your RFA will result in a consensus to promote, but there is always of course next time. Perhaps you would like me to be your admin mentor? WilliamH (talk) 09:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I would be utterly honoured for you to be my admin mentor. I'm certainly committed to running for adminship again. How does this process operate? MvjsTalking 09:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

It's not really a formal process - more like I'd be your informal guide. Get back to me when your RFA is closed and we'll go from there. WilliamH (talk) 10:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. MvjsTalking 11:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Your RFA has been closed as unsuccessful. I encourage you to work on areas of concern and try again. Admin coaching can be very helpful. Thank you for your interest. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with WilliamH and Rlevse. I am convinced that you can become a good admin someday (and that day will be soon), just work on the points pointed out in the RfA and with some help and coaching, you will surely manage your next one. Feel free to contact me anytime if you need help. Regards SoWhy 14:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer SoWhy. WilliamH has offered some admin coaching and hopefully that'll be beneficial. But it seems he has seemingly taken a Wikibreak until sometime in November, so I am wondering if you could provide me some direction in the interim. I've been attempting to work in admin-related areas more and have now accrued just shy of 200 edits in the Wikipedia space, mainly in AfD. I've got my edit summary usage up to 97% and will hopefully be at 100% soon. My ultimate aim would be to run for RfA some time in December, probably mid to late, as I will have some time on my hands. What would your thoughts on that be? Also, do you think I would be an appropriate candidate for Rollbacker rights, as it will help me combat vandalism between now and hopeful adminship. Thanks again. MvjsTalking 23:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I am an admin newbie myself, I passed my RfA (with some opposition and a considerable amount of drama I'm afraid) just 18 days ago, so I doubt I should go around mentoring people. I never took any mentoring myself for that though. But I am glad to help with any questions.

I would just suggest you dive more into the project side, participate in AfDs (but not just with "per above"-!votes), take part in discussions at places like WT:RFA, help people at WP:ANI or WP:AN as best as you can and so on. The point is, if you behave like an admin already, people will be much more eager to make you one when they realize you aren't one yet. But keep in mind that adminship is no big deal, it's just some extra buttons to push, not a big goal to reach. As for your next RfA, I'd suggest you rather allow someone else to nominate you, because that tells you that you are not the only person to think you are ready. Preferable by your coach after aforementioned admin coaching. Waiting for William's wiki-break to end is not that bad, it's just 2-3 weeks, you can do much good as a user in that time.

If you haven't had one, I suggest you request an editor review which should, in addition to those things at RfA, tell you, what is to correct.

As for rollback, I have looked through your contributions and decided to enable it for your account. I attached the usual message with helpful instructions below. Regards SoWhy 10:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD/Last Alliance (single)

Thanks for your quick fix to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Last Alliance (single)‎! It's my first AfD, so was basically copypasting from the guide... DARTH PANDA^talk 01:26, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem mate! Thanks for your contributions. MvjsTalking 01:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Smile!

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Advice

Hey, I just noticed User:Smiv, and something doesn't seem right. What should be done? \ / (⁂) 01:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. The best solution to this would be bringing the concern up at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. I'm not certain of Wikipedia's official stance of this, so I don't want to lead you off on any wrong paths. It does seem to be his only contribution. Cheers. MvjsTalking 01:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Not to pop in on MVJS's talk page, but you might want to list it as a WP:MFD. -Marcusmax(speak) 02:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Put it on WP:AN \ / (⁂) 07:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that. It was the response I was expecting since there isn't anything essentially wrong with his userpage. He isn't attacking anyone and it may just be a factual comment. As was said by the admin, Wikipedia is usually pretty lenient on talk page content. MvjsTalking 07:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Hey, I was surprised to notice you aren't a rollbacker! I would've thought you'd have it considering your recent work. \ / (⁂) 07:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I've really never gone about to get the tool. As above, I'm discussing it with my mentor. Hopefully they feel the tool is appropriate for me. MvjsTalking 07:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I got it, and I have less experience than you. \ / (⁂) 08:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Your request for rollback

After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
• Rollback can be used to revert vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback may be removed at any time.

If you no longer want rollback, then contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some information on how to use rollback, you can view this page. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, just leave me a message if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Happy editing! SoWhy 10:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Mentoring

Hi, please see here and add it to your watchlist. Cheers. WilliamH (talk) 09:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Award

		CVU Anti-Vandalism Award
		Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user-talk page [1] --Aaroncrick(talk) 10:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Account Creation Request

Confirming account creation request. MvjsTalking 07:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your application, which has been approved. See WP:ACC/G for instructions on how to use the system. For now, you will be able to create up to six accounts per day and you won't be able to create accounts with similar names to existing accounts. If you find yourself running into those limits, feel free to request the accountcreator permission at WP:RPE.

Thanks for helping out! Stifle (talk) 09:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Melbourne Airport

Hey! What's the status on the Melbourne Airport page? Has the A-Class review been completed? \ / (⁂) 05:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

The A-class review is still going here but there still needs to be some more supports - this A-class review system doesn't seem to be very effective. I'm just not sure what we can do with the page. I'm actually lost for what to do with the page. I guess it's just a question of copyediting, copyediting and copyediting. If you can find any more people to copyedit, that'd be fantastic. The more fresh eyes that can copyedit the page, the better. Then I guess we'll bring it back to FAC and see how we go. MvjsTalking 05:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way i'm impressed by the efforts you have put in to the Melbourne Airport Page. Aaroncrick (talk) 09:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. It's been a collaborative effort for a while by a few of us. I certainly couldn't take all the credit! It's a shame we missed out on featured article status. MvjsTalking 09:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

This is ridiculous - maybe you should withdraw and aim for FA again? \ / (⁂) 11:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd honest to god love to see Melbourne Airport one day feature on the front page. I'm just really lost on what we can do more to the page. If you've got any ideas for improving the page, shoot them my way. I'm going to be a bit busy over the next three or so weeks but after that I'd love to get down and dirty getting this page up to FA! By the way, good luck on your good article review! MvjsTalking 11:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

User talk:122.108.211.141

He gets blocked as a clear attempt to get around the editing rules (per WP:DUCK). It's only for a short while until I can figure out if he's got a rotating IP address or a fixed one. If it's rotating, that's almost impossible to really stop. If it's fixed, he's got problems. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

He's now back as Taz300zx (talk · contribs) and his since reverted back to his preferred version (and attempted to use outdated references). I have reverted his edits, from what I understand banned users aren't meant to edit under another account whilst banned. --[[::User:Arnzy|Arnzy]] ([[::User talk:Arnzy|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Arnzy|contribs]]) 03:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

You're correct. He has been indefinitely banned. Some how I suspect we'll see him again. MvjsTalking 05:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Tasos90 for confirmation. It's a dynamic range so he may keep coming back as different IPs. Ping me if he does though. I'll just do a short protection until he realizes what he needs to do. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

He's actually just asked for unblocking at User talk:122.108.211.141. I'm not going to comment on what I feel about his reasoning but I'll leave it up to you (or whoever manages the requests for unblocking in this case). Thanks for all your help on this matter, by the way. MvjsTalking 05:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For your work keeping an eye on the Xavier College article. Reverting schoolboy/girl vandalism is a thankless task and those who undertake it deserve to be thanked. Well done! Mattinbgn\talk 08:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Image

I got it off commons and just deleted the side of a building. Whats wrong with that? I thought you were aloud to if it was uploaded to commons..? Aaroncrick (talk) 09:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, this image was derived from a Commons image? I was unaware. Your source information on Image:Launceston Seaport.jpg implies that you created this work entirely by yourself. You should definitely be more careful with how you state the the image licensing - you should have indicated that it was derived from this Commons image. I'll remove the copyvio tag for you. MvjsTalking 09:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Jetstar Airways Perth-Jarkarta flights

Hey Mvjs! Did the flight commenced today or do flights begin on October 30th like it was stated in the article? One IP keeps implying that the flights commenced on the 28th. I went to their website and did not even find flights for October 29th. Thanks! Cashier freak (talk) 02:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

It actually sounds like they may have commenced on the 28th. [2] MvjsTalking 03:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

AirAsia X

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on AirAsia X. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. To avoid any blocks, I've opted for a page protection in this case. It may be the wrong version, though.--Tikiwont (talk) 10:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Thx for Launceston Climate

I worked it out in the end but you being reliable had already done it. Thankyou. Aaroncrick (talk) 22:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

No problems mate. MvjsTalking 22:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

AirAsia

John Doe seems to be very active in AirAsia after the AirAsia X episode. Would you mind helping out over there? Thanks. Planenut(Talk) 01:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I've added the page to my watchlist. We may need to take it to WP:RPP. MvjsTalking 03:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

May need to revert his edits, he's broken 3RR and consequently blocked, and again evaded block by a rotating IP. I will take the page to WP:RPP now. --[[::User:Arnzy|Arnzy]] ([[::User talk:Arnzy|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Arnzy|contribs]]) 03:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Terminated destinations and references

Okay, it may help to find references for terminated destinations. That way people know that AC and other airlines served them at one point. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Come Back soon

Have a good break and make sure your back better than ever. :) Aaroncrick (talk) 10:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Aaron. MvjsTalking 10:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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Launceston

Ummm.. What do you mean by the Lime Green Tables?Aaroncrick (talk) 05:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The suburb population table and the LGA population table. There is no need for them to be lime green, infact there's no need for them to be any colour. Just a plan grey table will suffice. MvjsTalking 07:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep ok i'll change that. On my computer it's showing it's red, although it doesn't really matter, it's a Bit strange. :S. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaroncrick (talk • contribs)

That's ever so peculiar. Yeah, unless the colours serve a specific purpose (e.g. the climate table's colouring), it's best not to use colour in a table. MvjsTalking 11:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure is. I'll get there this afternoon probably after cricket. Aaroncrick (talk) 20:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Is the suburb population table better? How do you fix up the reference for it though? As it's in the box of the last suburb. Aaroncrick (talk) 10:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

That table is much better! I've moved the citation for you. Now for the population table… MvjsTalking 19:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much, get there soon. Aaroncrick (talk) 04:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for keeping on bugging you but, I've nearly fixed the population table but need a bit of help finishing it and your one of the only people that i know will help. By the way i viewed the page on a different computer and yes the table is lime green, unlike the white and grey on mine. How strange! Aaroncrick (talk) 08:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem mate. I've fixed the colouring in the table and the citation inside it. This article is certainly getting close and closer to B class. Cheers. MvjsTalking 08:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd be happy to give this article a solid copyedit and going over when I have the time. If I don't remember, remind me in two weeks and I'll take a look. I'm just a little busy at the moment unfortunately. MvjsTalking 10:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the table fix. That's terrific! There's not many wiki editors from Tassie :(, so any outside contributions would be terrific. I don't think there's anyone other than me working on the Launceston page. On another note do you think the Inveresk and York Park Precinct page should be kept? As i've done a fair bit of work to it. Aaroncrick (talk) 10:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Without looking into it too much, it looks notable enough to me. MvjsTalking 20:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I was just wondering if you were still planning to give Launceston a copyedit and going over. Cheers Aaroncrick (talk) 04:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Clare94

Dude im not an evading user, ive done nothing wrong to that page, all i'm doing is giving a more appealing look. Please stop giving me that name, i create pages not evade on them, i dont have a clue where you guys get that from. And stop undoing my work, its my time, and you keep wasting it. Thanks Alot, Clare94

Hmmm, sounds exactly like Lav90 to me...  SEO⁷⁵ 06:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

There's no need to play fun and games. We're not dumb. You've admitted yourself that you're Lav90. Even so, the editing behaviours and re-adding content that was added by your other sock puppets really made it stand out. Let's end this nonsense and ask for unblocking at your original user account, Tasos90, specifically addressing all the concerns and reasons for your blocking. You're currently knowingly and deliberately going against Wikipedia's polices by creating sock puppet accounts to attempt to evade your block. I hope you can come back and contribute constructively to this encyclopaedia. MvjsTalking 06:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I know i'm all those that you say, but you guys have not given me a chance, I'm just going to stop contributing and you cane lead on with a shit wikipedia page. It does look really bad, and need cleaning up, especially the picture. I don't understand why Brisbane can't have a similar structure to Melbourne, Sydney and Perth. You prevent Brisbane from becoming a good page. Why do you think it hasn't bumped up to an A Grade or Better. Thats all I can say. It is like you are leaving Brisbane behind with alot of potential. Perth has a better page and it isn't even as big as Brisbane. This is my sisters page by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clare94 (talk • contribs)

A cities population does not determine how good a page is or should be. You've been given so many warnings and chances and were ultimately blocked for it. I can't unblock you, so there's no real point appealing to me. The best way to for you to seek an unblocking is to do it through the appropriate unblock template of your original account's talk page. Brisbane hasn't been assessed as an A-class article because it does not meet those standards. There's no conspiracy here against Brisbane. You should be assuming good faith towards all editors. If you have an opinion about pictures in the article, I suggest you bring it up on the talk page (after you've been unblocked, of course) and seek a consensus amongst editors and not participate in edit warring. In my opinion, the best thing you can do now is to request an unblocking as I have suggested. Be sure to address all the reasons and concerns for your blocking. MvjsTalking 07:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Imitation is the best form of flattery

You might like to take a look at this initial version of a recently-created user page, most notably the style of their signature and the use of the hex colour #082567 in the Wikibreak template, then the Rollback and User unified login templates. Has our serial Brisbane-focused offender moved overseas, or just trying to recreate themselves as someone they're not so to keep offending afresh?  SEO⁷⁵ 05:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Haha! That userpage did look a bit familar. I've gotta say, my userpage isn't the best page to copy - I've really gotta do some work on it sometime. This user did raise a few eyebrows when I first saw some of the edits he's been making. I was a bit weary of accusing him to sock puppetry until I was sure. It seems as if this user is indeed our Brisbane-friend. Per the history of this article, this user seems to have used this IP before creating this new account (as he was adding that 'youth gangs' paragraph). That IP also was adding Tasos/Lav90's favourite flags to the demographics table on Brisbane. I really thought this user would have learnt by now. I guess it's time for another {{sockpuppet}} template? Cheers. MvjsTalking 06:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd say so. Oh, and the lack of an edit summary (except when trying to slam-through edits that have been reverted) is one further tell-tale sign. Can administrators look-up the IP addresses of registered users? The 'youth gangs' editor 211.31.15.214 is an Optusnet customer in Rochedale, Queensland.  SEO⁷⁵ 08:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

This is done at WP:CHECKUSER. He's already had it done here, I think it's best probably to just put the sock puppet template on his page. MvjsTalking 08:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I've indef blocked the account as yet another incarnation. I saw this one earlier today but lunch ended and work intervened. He's not only created a few accounts here (along with a lot of IP editing while blocked), but I've caught at least two sock accounts uploading copyvio images on commons. If he's true to form he won't place an unblock template but'll wait a short while before creating another account and obsessing about Brisbane again...such is life. - Peripitus (Talk) 11:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Briz18 ? Thanks....blocked again....I'd request a checkuser but he's so obvious. Happy editing Peripitus (Talk) 07:21, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Just Wondering

Hey Mvjs, I was wondering if you could prove me somewhat sane. Has the tab at the top of the page changed from 'discussion' to 'talk'? \ / (⁂) 00:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

The page seems to be called "Discussion" for me. Hmm, wonder why it's talk for you? MvjsTalking 03:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Worked it out - a new 'feature' was introduced in WP:FRIENDLY. Must have taken effect when the cache cleared. Thanks for the help. :) \ / (⁂) 04:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem! Congratulations on all your work on Wikipedia lately! Hopefully we can bring Melbourne Airport back to FAC in December. MvjsTalking 04:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm currently working on a new intro for the page, I'll let you know when I've finished it. \ / (⁂) 05:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Finished. I have only got to add the wikimarkup and add it to the page, which may take some time. \ / (⁂) 06:25, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. I may have missed a few links when copying them across, so could you please look through it just in case? \ / (⁂) 06:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

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References say that new retail facilities won't be opened till next year, but it appears that they are already open. see here; http://www.launcestonairport.com.au/asp/content.asp?articleID=551&originalCat=0. What should i write in the article because i can't find any information suggesting that the Hudson's, Delaware North and Newsagency are open.

What in that link indicates that they are already open - am I missing something? MvjsTalking 12:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

A bit left field but from recent personal experience they're not - bit of a building site for a while yet - Peripitus (Talk) 11:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll just leave it how it is. Aaroncrick (talk) 09:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Jetcraft Aviation

G'day Mvjs. I was looking at the Jetcraft Aviation article with a view to turning it into a defunct airline, but delving into the matter a little it appears that it is soldiering on more-or-less intact as Toll Aviation (different address etc. but same ABN). Given that you have been working on the Toll Priority article, and that Toll Aviation flies for TP, I want your opinion on how to treat the Jetcraft article. I was thinking about renaming the Jetcraft article as Toll Aviation and amending the content as required. What do you think? YSSYguy (talk) 01:00, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi YSSYguy. I'm really not too informed about the status of Jetcraft Aviation. If I am reading right, they are currently flying for Toll Aviation? Or are they Toll Aviation? If they are simply flying for Toll Aviation, I would be in favour of leaving the article as Jetcraft Aviation but making a point that the sole purpose of the company at the moment is flying for Toll Aviation. But if they are Toll Aviation, then it seems reasonable to rename the article and adjust the content accordingly. By the way, thanks for fixing the typo on my user page - I guess I never bothered to proof read it! Cheers. MvjsTalking 01:10, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Jetcraft, as far as I can tell, no longer exists as a legal entity. Jetcraft went into Administration following the grounding of its two Conquests last year, and it looks like the company was restructured and renamed. Most of the former Jetcraft fleet are now registered to Toll Aviation (no aircraft are registered to Jetcraft); the Jetcraft website is dead; the ASIC page for Jetcraft used as a reference in the article brings up Toll Aviation; and it appears that Toll Aviation is now the holder of the AOC formerly issued to Jetcraft. To confuse the issue, the Toll Aviation website says "Welcome to Jetcraft Air Cargo". Anyway, I will go ahead and make the changes as discussed; BTW I have yet to find any link between Toll and Toll Aviation, other than the fact that Toll Aviation fly for Toll Priority. No doubt you are aware that Airwork in NZ operate some Boeing 737s out of BNE for Toll Priority; I have some pics of them that I will get around to uploading one day. YSSYguy (talk) 01:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Em dashes

Hi. At the end of this edit you replaced hyphens with spaced em dashes. According to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dashes)#Dashes, shouldn't they be unspaced en dashes. cheers. Nurg (talk) 06:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Which specific part of the edit are you referring too? If you are referring to the Polynesian Blue routes at the bottom, yes, they shouldn't be spaced - I'll remedy that now. MvjsTalking 06:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's right, but should be en dashes rather than em dashes. It's ok, I've fixed them now. Nurg (talk) 07:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Brisbane Postcode

I didn't think about that, but I couldn't find an article on the locality called Brisbane, Queensland. Perhaps some mention should be made of the postcode somewhere, it's only a little thing, but we still need consistency. --smadge1 (talk) 05:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, I understand now! --smadge1 (talk) 05:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Welcome Back! Melbourne Airport has been copyedited quite nicely, but there are still 'passive-voice' issues. \ / (⁂) 06:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Yep, I saw that. I'm not certain on what exactly passive voice or how it can be fixed - my English prowess doesn't quite extend that far! Do you have any idea how this passive voice can be remedied? MvjsTalking 06:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I think we just need to begin rewording sentences to make Melbourne Airport the subject of the sentence. I can't find an example, but look at the first one given in the passive voice article. \ / (⁂) 08:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

York Park Peer Review

Great to see your back mate. Do you know how long on average it takes an article to be peer reviewed? Because I requested one for York Park on Monday last week so (only 6 days ago). But there doesn't really seem to be much action and there's no one else contributing to the article to add ideas for improving the article and i've fixed up all the GA nomination issues from earlier this year. Maybe i'm just being too impatient. Aaroncrick (talk) 09:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome back. Well, there's no real rule for peer reviews. It's probably just a matter of Wikipedian interest in the particular article. From a quick look at the article, it looks pretty solid, I'd probably say definitely B-class. The diagrams, images and table arrangement is great. The prose is neat and well organised. The references for the most part are formatted correctly, using the correct templates. Good luck on your peer review and hopefully on your next GAN. MvjsTalking 10:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I'd like to try and get the article to GA standard but being a fairly minor AFL venue and being in Tasmania, there's nothing like the info on the ground that you can get for other Australia Venues. Aaroncrick (talk) 10:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Could you change to York Park article rating to B-class because Bidgee obviously has a problem with me and keeps reverting my B-class rating and i don't want to change it for a third time! Ruhrfisch who did the peer review, said "B class seems fine to me, though I do not usually assess sport articles". So it's not just you and I that believe it deserves that rating. Cheers :) Aaroncrick (talk) 04:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Aaron. I really don't want to get involved in an edit war with Bidgee over the article's class. I think the best way to resolve this would be to start a new section on the talk page regarding the article's class. It seems you've already started a discussion with Bidgee on your talk page. It seems like it was some simple confusion over where the reviewer's comments were made. MvjsTalking 05:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

That seems very sensible. Aaroncrick (talk) 05:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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Launceston Copyedit

You have done a fantastic job on the copyedit! Thanks for all your continued hard work. Also thanks for adding that photo :). Aaroncrick (talk) 06:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem mate. This has been my first solid copyedit of an entire article that I haven't been involved with too much. It took some time but I'm happy with the result I think. Thanks for the barnstar, it's things like this that keep me going on this project. Good luck on your future contributions. Cheers. MvjsTalking 08:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar; After seeing the massive amount of work you put into the Melbourne Airport Article, for your fantastic copy-edit of the Launceston article and also for your willingness to help editors and improve various articles. I hereby award you this barnstar. You've more than earned it!! Congrats :) - Aaroncrick (talk) 07:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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Melbourne Airport

Looks like the article has made a lot of progress. :) I'm trying to push mine harder as well. Plan to put it through a second Peer Review (and eventually, FAC) anytime soon? - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 07:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll probably get around to putting it through a second peer review eventually but not really at the moment, I just can't see what can be done. I've copyedited and sought every possible volunteer to copyedit it and can't see what more can be done. Maybe one day I'll find some more will to push it forward. Good luck with your FAC pursuits! MvjsTalking 09:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Google Earth

Do you know if Google Earth images are alright to be used on wikipedia?? Aaroncrick (talk) 08:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The latest on Melbourne Airport

Well I have asked about every active WP:AVIATION user not involved with the article to help on the A-class review. Nobody has responded, or even submitted a comment or a review. i really can't think of anything else to do right now, but if WP:AUSTRALIA has an A-class review system then they could probably get the review done quicker and their comments could be used to make WP:AV support it as an A-class. -Marcusmax(speak) 15:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I haven't been able to find a WP:AUSTRALIA A-class review process unfortunately. As you've said, it's really hard to know where to go to from here. Fingers crossed for some forward motion! Cheers. MvjsTalking 00:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Toll Priority/Australian Air Express

Toll flights do not appear on the Brisbane Airport arrivals/departure website. Converesely, Australian Air Express flights do - I can clearly see 733F flights today at BNE.com.au:

Departures: QF 7312 TSV CNS 23DEC 03:05 23DEC 05:19 Completed QF 7341 SYD 23DEC 03:35 23DEC 03:35 Completed QF 7311 MEL 23DEC 21:30 23DEC 21:30 ---- QF 7332 MEL 23DEC 23:45 23DEC 23:45 ----

Arrivals: QF 7339 MEL 23DEC 01:25 23DEC 02:28 Completed QF 7312 MEL 23DEC 02:35 23DEC 04:34 Completed QF 7331 MEL 23DEC 23:15 23DEC 23:15 ----

VHOEJ (talk) 02:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

KE Cargo is not a valid listing. Ops 747F flights from SYD MON/THU in SYD at 11:40 out at 13:00 - Check KE Cargo skeds - if they operated services, why was it not listed earlier - article is incorrect I ask the same question of you? These articles, press releases from other companies or more than year old company newsletters are by no means the most reliable source for cargo operations. They could be out of date or just frankly, incorrect. They don't specify the nature of the services - if they hub out of a particular city, or it's a round-the-network service. I attempt to assume good faith in all my edits, after you reverted my addition, I did not come back with a heated, bad faith attack at your reversion. I would expect the same kind of faith in return. MvjsTalking 05:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Merimbula and Moruya Airports

For your information, these airports do handle international flights. Next time you should check sources (such as Wikipedia) before you start vandalising these articles.

Consider yourself warned.

--211.30.129.123 (talk) 10:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

These two regional New South Wales aerodromes do not handle international flights. I'm not sure where this idea is eventuating in your mind. MvjsTalking 11:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Qantas Freight

The destinations you have added are not listed in QF freight schedules at the website.116.71.46.234 (talk) 18:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Where are the Qantas Freight schedules located on the Qantas website? MvjsTalking 12:33, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Have a happy and safe holiday

I hope you enjoy yourself and relax after all the work you've done on Wikipedia! I'm not to far for my holiday (Mostly for photos) but still trying to pick a location (I've got a tight budget :S). Bidgee (talk) 13:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Bidgee. I hope you have a fantastic holiday yourself! MvjsTalking 13:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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All the best with Melbourne Airport. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Cheers! MvjsTalking 11:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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Hey. I'm going to have to keep this reply short as I'm at a hotel. The two articles certainly seem very similar and I don't see a place for both of them. I'd be in favour of removing one of them and merging and content as necessary. MvjsTalking 02:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks Aaron :) It was a fantastic holiday. Hope you had a great festive season. MvjsTalking 05:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

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Tell me about it! I'm bloody melting here in Melbourne. MvjsTalking 07:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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How peculiar

fyi - Something strange happened with the edit summary on this edit. The edit you reverted was done by 152.91.9.124, not by Nick-D. (However, the previous edit, which you did not touch - that one was done by Nick-D. I'm not familiar with Twinkle, but I'm guessing Twinkle constructs the edit summary automatically? If so, then somehow it has managed to confuse itself. (And me too!)) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi pdfpdf. I actually used the "revert to revision" as opposed to the rollback command. For some reason the rollback in my Twinkle hasn't been working. Anyway, the edit summery that Twinkle constructed seems to be correct as it reverted to Nick-D's revision - and by reverting to that revision, removed the anon's edits. Hope that clears it up! MvjsTalking 09:23, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear me! Guess how stupid I feel!! My eyes saw "Reverted to revision 279771390 by Nick-D", and my brain said "Reverted revision 279771390 by Nick-D". Thank you for such a polite answer to such an incomprehensible question. Sorry to bother you. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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List of tallest buildings in Australia

Hi, I totally agree with you that sources need to be placed in List of tallest buildings in Australia to the under-construction section. However, skyscraperpage is considered very reliable and is constantly updated. Do you think that the individual skyscraperpage entry for each of the buildings I added to the section (by the way I didn't just re-add the ones Rehumanist added, I did look through and update each building, removing cancelled and adding new ones) could be linked to them? --timsdad ^(talk) 01:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I might add, List of tallest buildings in the United States simply has the Emporis.com and SkyscraperPage.com entry for each under construction building linked to it in the under-construction section. I'd be more than happy to add these individually, rather than the list I put together in the 'Source' section. --timsdad ^(talk) 01:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

yeah, the united states page is the best available model on these tallest buildings pages, imo. to delete everything without giving others a chance to find other or better sources is rather anal. no offence. --Rehumanist (talk) 01:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm gonna go and add individual SkyscraperPage and Emporis sources to each of the buildings, but I'll leave the main refs there as well for now until we've sorted this out. --timsdad ^(talk) 01:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

in the meantime i added a disclaimer in the under construction section :) --Rehumanist (talk) 01:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)