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Other neat portal ideas for longer term

• Longer term ideas to think about from other portals:

1. Events section, like: "On this day" e.g., Biography, Religion, United States; "Selected anniversaries" e.g., War; "Calendar" at Holidays. Interesting idea of "Month selected anniversaries", at Oregon.
2. Model intro with some rotating images, after Portal:Oregon, Portal:Indiana, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro.
3. Revamp DYK sections w/ free-use images, model after Portal:Criminal justice and Portal:Oregon.
4. Portal palettes at User:RichardF/Palettes/Portals. Comparable color schemes can be developed from the various hue lists at User:RichardF/Palettes. Also see Portal:Box-header.
5. If there are a lot of categories, then categories section to 2 columns, like in Portal:Indiana.

   Also take some time to check out style/formatting at Portal:Indiana Cirt (talk)

Note to self

• MakeRef

independent reliable secondary sources

• User:Citation bot/use

• {{findsources}}

Cite templates

{{cite book| last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | title =  | publisher =  | year =  | location =  | page =  | url =  | doi =  | id =    | isbn = }}

{{cite news| last =  | first =  | coauthors =  | title =  | work =  | language =  | publisher =  | page =  | date =  | url =  | accessdate =  }}

{{cite journal|last =| first=| authorlink=| coauthors=|title=|journal=|volume=|issue=|page=|publisher=|location = | date = | url = | doi = | id = | accessdate = }}

{{cite web| last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | title =  | work =  | publisher =  | date =  | url =  | format =  | doi =  | accessdate =  }}

Citation model

The Simpsons (season 3)

Body text in-cite

<ref name="REFNAME">[[#LASTNAME|LASTNAME]], p. PAGENUMBER</ref>

References section

(reference template from WP:CIT)

*<cite id=LASTNAME>REFERENCE</cite>

Different model

• Template:Citation
• Template:Harvnb
• Example: <ref name="REFNAME">{{Harvnb|LAST|YEAR|p=PAGENUMBER}}</ref>

See models at The General in His Labyrinth and Mario Vargas Llosa.

More info. Cirt (talk)

More at Wikipedia:Harvard citation template examples.

And Template talk:Harvard citation no brackets.

Cirt (talk)

Dispatch

Cirt, Awadewit suggested that you might be interested in writing a Signpost Dispatch article on Featured portals (the only area of featured content we haven't covered). Sample previous articles are at {{FCDW}}. We've covered:

• Featured content overview
• Peer review
• Did you know
• Featured lists
• Good articles
• Featured sounds
• Featured topics
• Images
• TFA
• And Featured articles many times: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-07-21/Dispatches, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-10-13/Dispatches

None of them start out looking like that: if an editor initially just chunks in some text, many others chip in to tweak it up to Signpost standards. For example, someone wrote this, which Karanacs, Royalbroil and I turned into this, so if you just chunk in some text as a start, others can help finish it off. Another example, I put in this outline, and Karanacs brought it up to this. Other editors have written almost complete and clean Dispatches without much need for other editing. If you're interested, please weigh in and coordinate at WT:FCDW In case you're interested, you could just begin sandboxing something at WP:FCDW/Portals and pop over to WT:FCDW to leave a note when you're ready for others to help out. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Will mull this over and most likely draft something up. Cirt (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2108 (UTC)

Razzies progress

• 15th Golden Raspberry Awards through 29th Golden Raspberry Awards = reformatting process done.
  • Note: Going to have to go back and model these after the modifications made subsequently to 29th Golden Raspberry Awards.
• 29th Golden Raspberry Awards - so far only one expanded with sourcing research. (WP:FL)
• Razzie Award for Worst New Star = reformatting process done, next to use Talk:Razzie Award for Worst Picture as model to reformat other pages in Category:Golden Raspberry Awards by category (with subsection breaks by decade)

Cirt (talk)

Work in progress - Van Morrison

• Van Morrison (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Much of the music Morrison released throughout the 1980s continued to focus on the themes of spirituality and faith. His 1983 album, Inarticulate Speech of the Heart was "a move towards creating music for meditation" with synthesisers, uilleann pipes and flute sounds and four of the tracks were instrumentals. Van Morrison is a former Scientologist; during the 1980s he dedicated an album to the organization's founder L. Ron Hubbard. Van Morrison was recruited into Scientology by Scientologist and musician Nicky Hopkins. Friends of Van Morrison's within his musical circle that were also into Scientology included Mark Isham and Robin Williamson. Van Morrison's album Beautiful Vision was influenced by Scientology, and his next album Inarticulate Speech of the Heart (1983) included a "special thanks" credit given to L. Ron Hubbard. After Scientology, Van Morrison moved on to "a broadly Christian faith". He titled his 1986 album No Guru No Method as an attempt to distance himself from Scientology. In a review of Van Morrison's musical work in The Times, journalist Pete Paphides described his album No Guru, No Method, No Teacher as "the 1986 album that found Morrison adrift from God, wounded by his dalliance with Scientology, wrestling the mother of spiritual hangovers and deciding that only the compass of memory could help a lost soul to redemption". Van Morrison's exploration of spirituality, including Jehovah's Witness, Christianity, mysticism, and Scientology, served as an influence for his works including Astral Weeks, "Kingdom Hall", Enlightenment and "Whenever God Shines His Light". In 1991, Van Morrison explained his period of spirituality and self-reflection, commenting: "I'm into all of it, orthodox or otherwise. I don't accept or reject any of it. I'm not searching for anything in particular, I'm just groping in the dark for a bit more light." In 1995, when asked by the University of Ulster to list his favorite philosophers, Van Morrison included Aristotle, Socrates, Sartre, Steiner – as well as L. Ron Hubbard. In 2009, the Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper St. Petersburg Times listed Van Morrison among "Former Scientologists".

Cirt (talk)

HIP AfD close

Can you explain this? https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Human+Instrumentality+Project --Gwern (contribs) 23:02 5 January 2010 (GMT)

What about it? Cirt (talk) 03:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Why did you delete it? --Gwern (contribs) 13:32 6 January 2010 (GMT)

Class assessment

No worries, it deserves it. Good job on improving the article, it would be great to see it a GA at some point. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I haven't seen the film yet so I don't think I'd be that much help, and I'm a little bit busy with the T&A drive (only about 40,000+ articles to go!). If you need help finding sources through a university database, let me know and I'll pull up some articles for you if possible --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I guess I probably should stop using that abbreviation. Although maybe it might get some more people to participate if I trick them into visiting the page... --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Cirt. You have new messages at Talk:Eleventh Doctor.
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Antarctic Krill Uwe Kils

Hallo Cirt! Happy New Year. I added a gfdl self tag to my high resolution Antarctic Krill Microscope Photography. I hope I did it right. If not let me know, best by sending an email to uhseeliteuniversity at gmail.com . I want all to use it free of royalties. You can add the right template if you want, then I will sign it. Have a nice day Uwe Kils 13:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Cirt. You have new messages at Talk:Eleventh Doctor.
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And again. ╟─TreasuryTag►most serene─╢ 19:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

List of NRMs

Thank you, I did look, and I noticed that my reference is noted elsewhere on the article on Discordianism. Why is it allowed as a verifiable source there, and not here?

Makbawehuh (talk) 19:07, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Probably not, considering the fact that Discordianism tends to stay under the radar. I mean, I could in theory send out a few hundred thousand envelopes with pony stickers in them to try and generate a news article for you if you *really wanted me to*. "No original work" prohibits using the Principia Discordia itself. Makbawehuh (talk) 19:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Geeze-o-petes, this is convoluted. o.0

Probably not, considering the fact that Discordianism tends to stay under the radar. I mean, I could in theory send out a few hundred thousand envelopes with pony stickers in them to try and generate a news article for you if you *really wanted me to*. "No original work" prohibits using the Principia Discordia itself. Makbawehuh (talk) 19:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

And the fact remains that the source I listed is listed elsewhere as a source, and has not been removed. So....

...Why exactly am I being discriminated against, when it's been used elsewhere as a source and clearly met your guidelines- Since it's still there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makbawehuh (talk • contribs) 19:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article review/Dalek/archive2

Looks like someone is working on the article; you might want to add cleanup tags to the article where necessary. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 23:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Cirt (talk) 06:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Madisen hill

When you deleted Madisen hill, you deleted the redirect. The article is currently at Madisen Hill. Joe Chill (talk) 13:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done Cirt (talk) 21:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Concerns, controversies and opposition at the 2010 Winter Olympics

Similar to above, Concerns, controversies and opposition was deleted but it's merely a redirect. The article was moved to Concerns, controversies and opposition at the 2010 Winter Olympics after the AfD was created. Please update, and thank you! PKT(alk) 13:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done Cirt (talk) 21:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Scientology

Thanks, but I'm busy with cat as my main project at the moment, so I'm afraid not. Please feel free to ask if you need any medical or biology sources though, I have good access to these on-line. Tim Vickers (talk) 22:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Due to incautiously taming and adopting a pregnant stray I now have six cats living in my house, so the subject is much on my mind at the moment. Tim Vickers (talk) 22:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

A minor bit of vandalism

This looks like trivial vandalism by User_talk:80.58.205.34 (the IP has a history of that) who pronounced Ron Newman (computer programmer) dead with no cite. Theoretically, as BLP was more-or-less established as senior to Arbcom RFAs (during that ArbCom RFA), I could fix it, but that's a can of Daleks worms that's much, much bigger on the inside than the outside... AndroidCat (talk) 05:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Beck v. Eiland-Hall/GA1

So...it's been about four weeks since my Beck v. Eiland-Hall GAN review. lol. I know you had other things going on, but might it be better to fail it for now, then you can renominate it after you address the concerns in the archived GAN, rather than leave it on hold for so long? — Hunter Kahn 14:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

No, I am sorry, but I will get to it very soon. Sorry about that, Cirt (talk) 19:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Reviewed

I have reviewed Everything Tastes Better with Bacon (which I can see you already know). Most of the reason I'm telling you this is to thank you for being patient with the review. I was a bit busy(ish). Thanks for being patient with the review. :) --Hadger 00:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

No worries, Cirt (talk) 03:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Pak Ab Sabalan

You deleted this article awhile back due to this AfD, but the article was recreated sometime afterwards. Can you look it over and see if it meets the criteria for a G4 speedy deletion? If not, I'll probably have to put it up for AfD again. ThemFromSpace 02:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, will take a look! Cirt (talk) 03:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Ping

I have sent you an e-mail. --Tenmei (talk) 02:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I read it, sounds like an interesting proposal but I don't have the availability for that sort of thing right now. :( Cirt (talk) 03:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Volcanoes portal

I've done my best, now it's time for some experts to tell me what's wrong with it. I've listed Portal:Volcanoes for portal peer review here. Cheers, ResMar 03:36, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, good luck. Cirt (talk) 03:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

GA BLT

Congratulations on the first Good Article in the history of the Bacon Challenge! Well done. Or over medium, if you prefer. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Cirt (talk) 03:56, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

tags

I just found them from when you added them to Saginaw Trail a few months ago. I added them to U.S. Route 41 in Michigan, and I think that this system is very neat. Is there any documentation or guidelines on them? Any suggestions on what types of sources should be used. The US 41 article has a separate section for books and a magazine article since the same book was cited repeatedly with different page numbers. If I'm going to use it, should I be segregating out all dead-tree sources (even if hosted online)? Imzadi1979 (talk) 06:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Reviewed

I reviewed Bacon: A Love Story. Click here to see the review. --Hadger 22:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Cirt (talk) 00:04, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Excellent job on your second Bacon GA, Cirt =) ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much! ;) Cirt (talk) 00:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Checkmarx deletion

Hi,

I'm posting the following request to all people participating in Checkmarx speedy deletion, hoping for a reconsideration.

A couple of weeks ago, Checkmarx was deleted from Wikipedia. It was a speedy deletion, and I didn't even have an opportunity to be there to defend myself, and this value in Wikipedia. I'm including "myself" here, because there was a personal attack on me as a user, and I don't think it was naive.

Just a reminder - a month ago, a user named Xodlop requested a Speedy-Deletion of the article named "Checkmarx". The reasons were, among others: notability, the author works for the company, many references are pointed to the company web site and after all - "it's an advertisement for non notable company".

Yes, I work for Checkmarx, and I think it is only natural that a worker of a company (just like a student of a well-known philosopher for example) would write about his company. I never tried to hide this relation; actually when I tried to put some personal info in my page, so people can contact me, if needed, I was suggested by an administrator not to do so. But I am using my name and affiliation proudly, not hiding.
I did my best to make a non-promotional article. Actually I copied the article of another company (Fortify Software, which is the leading company in the area of source code analysis today), and just "translated" it for Checkmarx. I got many requests for changes, from various administrators (and a lot of help, some of which you might find in my talk page or the Checkmarx talk page), changed according to all requests, and from a certain point I got no more about the article. And it's there for a couple of months already.

Yes, some references are from the company's website (as all articles contain) or companies related to it. Some are not (OWASP, CWE and alike).
Yes, Checkmarx is an average software company, but I completely disagree it is non-notable in the area of Source Code Analysis. The company is certainly a notable company in this field (which might be non-notable as a field, but I don't think it is), and known as one for every person dealing in this area. If Checkmarx is non-notable, I guess all (most?) other companies listed in the list of tools for Source Code Analysis (in Wikipedia) should be non-notable as well.

Still, they are not, for some reason.

I wanted to ask the user Xodlop why he/she asked for deletion of this company of all Source code Analysis companies, but the user does not exist anymore, for some reason (actually there's only a "welcome" message in his/her talk page dating 2 days AFTER the deletion request. Strange. I cannot "fight" ghosts.

So what do we have here?
A non-existent user asks for fast-deletion.
The company's article was no different than others, and (like others) was more than once cleaned from what looked like advertisements.
The article was there for a long time, and approved by more than one administrator. Where were you when I got all the comments on the article, and fixed them one by one? It was a lot of work, and I got good responses.
(correct me if I'm wrong here) All the participants were not experts on the field of Source Code Analysis, so notability in this area couldn't really be decided. It is very easy (and unfair, I think) to convince people about notability in an area they do not master. I'm sure my mother will be convinced that even Oracle (for example) is not-notable if I try to convince her. I can tell her it's a small non-notable competitor of Microsoft's minor product (SQL-Server), and show her there is no coverage of it in any book she reads.
There is coverage of the company - not very large, but it appears in relevant places (Application Security sources).

I'm sorry I wasn't around for a while to "defend myself" and the article. It was very quick, you know. As Xodlop him/herself mentioned - I was easy to access.

Thanks for reading to this point. I appreciate it.

I truly hope you reconsider.

Adarw (talk) 15:35, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Please read WP:BESTCOI. But also before doing anything, I would suggest working on a version in your userspace subpage. Cirt (talk) 20:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Covenant Presbyterian Church of Chicago

Can you revert your deletion of it please? Before the COI user appeared and put up a ton of spam on it, it was a redirect somewhere. Thanks. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 23:14, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

About your comment to me

Thank you for advice. I appologize to you for my mistake. I will watch my edit more carefully from now. have a nice day. -- Kookyunii (talk) 00:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Cirt (talk) 00:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Wild Pockets

Hey, I noticed that the Wild Pockets was flagged for deletion and that it was becoming out of date, so I had begun to update the article. Unfortunately, when I checked today, it had already been deleted. To my understanding, the issue was that there were no references from a reliable 3rd party source. Wild Pockets is still in its beta and is a start up, so I found it very difficult to find sources that would meet your requirement; they're still in the stage where they're building their initial community and are trying to build a name for themselves. And then I realized I don't even know what your requirements are. Where does the standard for notability start/end? Would a site like Gamasutra (which many developers use for information) be enough? And if I wanted to get the page up and running again, what steps would I need to take? Thanks for your time and help.