User talk:Dream out loud/Archive 10

Deletion candidate image: Occupy Wall Street

This image I uploaded is indeed the original poster for the Occupy Wall Street event. I was first created and published by Adbusters magazine, and has been widely distributed ever since. It is not an image of my creation. —Scoutstr295 14:49, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I never said it was your creation, but it looks like an image created by some user and uploaded to the internet. If it was published by Adbusters, then that needs to be cited somehow, but I couldn't find that image anywhere on the internet or otherwise. –Dream out loud (talk) 21:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Case seal.png

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Discussion pointer

Hello! Please see Talk:Main Page#Did you know ... that the f-word did not begin as an acronym. Thanks! —David Levy 14:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Re:SEPTA and substandard articles

Laid out, SEPTA, like the company we're writing about, has the worst articles I've seen of any public transportation system on Wikipedia. I've been working to turn NJ Transit (and to some degree) Metro-North and doing the research. Under my Erie Railroad research, which is more than just Wikipedia research, I've designated stations as "Case studies" on several criteria: History, Design, Years Existing, Community Changes, etc. Those are stations I work on cause I do the research. The sources are out there for most stations, you have just got to find them. :)

Now towards the station choices at hand. One thing to consider is that SEPTA doesn't exactly produce the best stations. I chose Cheltenham and West Trenton because they may not be major stations, but the history is long enough for both that they can sustain good articles. Marcus Hook I suggested because it is a major station on the R2 Newark. Cheltenham is personally my favorite of my choices because I did start working in the research department. Personally as an editor, I don't like the status quo stations like 30th Street or Market East. I like the suburban communities and their workings. As for the decommissioned stations, Nicetown and Shawmont are the top on my list.

In honesty, if we want any progress, I would seriously consider a WP:TRAIN/Philadelphia Public Transportation task force like we have up in New York. This needs to cover PATCO, SEPTA, NJ Transit's RIVER Line and the A.C. Line along with the Seashore Line. We should consider it. My thoughts.Mitch32^{(Can someone turn on the damn air conditioning?)} 00:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Please join the task force!

I saw that you made some recent edits related to avante-garde and experimental films. You are more than welcome to join the avante-garde and experimental films task force. Here's the link in case you're interested: WikiProject Film/Avant-garde and experimental films task force Thanks; and we'd be more than happy to see you over there! Have a good one. Bravo! Alfa! Papa! 20:16, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

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A cheeseburger for you!

Thanks for the pointer to Three Wolf Moon: an unusual and quite entertaining article. Stepheng3 (talk) 17:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Atlantic City Hilton vs ACH

What are you doing? It DOES NOT say Atlantic City Hilton on the website anymore, if you look everything says ACH. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 04:25, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

You clearly did not look at the entire page. The copyright at the bottom says "© 2011 Atlantic City Hilton", under social networking it says "The Atlantic City Hilton Casino Resort on Facebook", and the page title in the browser reads "Atlantic City Hilton". You need to be civil and stop trying to make a point. I am going to revert the move and start a discussion so we can form a consensus on this just as any editors would do in this situation. Forcibly arguing your point and reverting does not help. –Dream out loud (talk) 06:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:Weasel words

Hello, Dream out loud. Regarding this edit by you, some of these words are not weasel words...and the others are clearly attributed. The comparison to the O. J. Simpson murder trial, for example? This is backed up by several reliable sources. I shouldn't have to name each and every one of the individuals who have compared this trial to the O. J. Simpson case, especially since it's too many to name (including the general public). The references do the talking for us; I certainly didn't add all of them for fun. And as for using the words "some," "most" and "others," it's the same thing. We cannot name every person. This is why Wikipedia does not say that the words "some" or "most" should never be used. Per WP:Weasel words, it says when they are used, "Claims about what people say, think, feel, or believe, and what has been shown, demonstrated, or proven should be clearly attributed." All of these things are clearly attributed. They are in the references, for anyone to check.

Strange thing is...I recently had a discussion on my talk page where myself and another editor are explaining weasel words and editorializing to someone else. Flyer22 (talk) 12:11, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I did tweak two things that needed better attribution[1], and restored one comment that better backs up "Others" in one paragraph...but had been removed by an IP.[2] Flyer22 (talk) 12:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page, and will continue to reply there if you any more comments about the matter. Flyer22 (talk) 19:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Death of Caylee Anthony -- thank you for the image

Also, I wanted to say thank you for the image. It was very much needed. See this deletion discussion: Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2011 July 8#File:Caylee anthony.jpg. And the brief aftermath discussion: Talk:Death of Caylee Anthony#Images. Flyer22 (talk) 13:06, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Concur - great image for the lede. Dream out loud, are you aware of any photos of Casey Anthony sitting in court during the trial that are in the public domain? I am wondering if that might make a better image for the lede of the timeline daughter article rather than the October 2008 mug shot. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 01:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Well there are tons of images of Casey and Caylee that are in the public domain. Unfortunately, the image I uploaded has been nominated for deletion because it was released in the public domain by the Florida State's Attorney Office and some users at Commons say that that office "has no right" to put those photos in public domain. –Dream out loud (talk) 04:50, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Major bummer. Another user already removed your photo from the lede on that rationale, so I've put in a placeholder photo for now until folks can figure out what's best. Regardless, thanks for your efforts.AzureCitizen (talk) 23:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Caylee article "enhancements"

You tried to discuss this on a Project page and apparently our discussion was forked elsewhere? It may not be important.

My point was that if comparison with OJ was allowable, it would be because someone scholarly had "done a study" and people were asked to rank OJ vs Caylee, (or whatever passes the researchers criteria in college/think tank), then and only then, can that be "compared." Lesser criteria might be allowable in other cases. Asia does appear larger than North America!  :)

Anyway, thanks for raising this issue and tagging it. Hope you were able to make your point, which was important! Student7 (talk) 18:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Your OPPORTUNITY to either oppose or support Qwyrxian in his bid to become an administrator...

Hi, I understand you recently had some dealings with Qwyrxian, and I think, in doing so, you have the unique vantage point of telling us about whether you think he is qualified to become an administrator. So, I would like to hear what you have to say about Qwyrxian, and here's your chance to do that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Qwyrxian. CHEERS! Diligent007 (talk) 17:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I've never heard of this editor and I've looked through his/her edit history and I don't believe I have ever dealt with him/her. I did see that we both commented at Talk:Death of Caylee Anthony (but in different sections), and I don't believe I have dealt with the editor personally. –Dream out loud (talk) 22:58, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Being part of U2 Wiki project

i really like to be a part of this project and help you all to make their pages up to date. but i wanted to add my name there but it gave me a warning that i can't do that. can you help me what to do fro being a part of this project?
thank you Reza.J ^(Talk2Me) 09:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say there's a warning preventing you from that. If you got to WP:WPU2 and click on the edit link at top, scroll down in the edit box to the section that says <!-- MEMBERS PANEL --> and add your name there. We can talk about how you can contribute to the project from there. –Dream out loud (talk) 17:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

• • OK, I'm in... ready for expanding anything about U2. Reza ^(Talk2Me) 21:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Point Park Civic Center

Don't know if you saw my edits on the talk page. I think the article is far from current FA standards and needs fixing. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 01:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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• Specifically, if you could point out in the FAR what you think needs citation. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 16:56, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Hot Press review for Achtung Baby

I see your point about the review score not showing up on the archived copy of the article at Hot Press' website. However, I provided the link to the archived copy really only as a convenience link so the reader may consult the text of the article. I still believe a score was included as part of the original published review (see the atU2 archived copy of the article here). And I agree the x/12 review scale is kind of odd, but it's apparently been in use for a while (see Boy, The Unforgettable Fire, Passengers, The Best of 80-90, and Million Dollar Hotel soundtrack). I doubt these scores would have been fabricated and added to all these atU2-archived review articles, too, so I would tend to believe the Achtung Baby score just isn't included in the Hot Press article archives. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 13:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

SEPTA images

I am not a train guy whatsoever, but I can pretty much help when it comes to image policies. http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=SEPTA&l=commderiv&ct=0&mt=all&adv=1 could be images that are useful to you and others on the SEPTA articles (and are perfectly licensed for the Commons). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 18:53, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of File:Media Penn Central March 75.jpg

Hi Dream out loud. A user has contested the deletion of File:Media Penn Central March 75.jpg on my talk page at User_talk:Fastily#Deletion_of_File:Media_Penn_Central_March_75.jpg. As a user who participated in this debate, your input would be appreciated. Regards, FASTILY ^(TALK) 01:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for From the Sky Down

Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I Love New York

Dear Dol! Would you tell me the exact font you used for creating the I Love New York logo? I tried it with American Typewriter Medium and Bold, but it doesn't look exactly like yours. Kind regards, Adam. --Adam Brody (talk) 21:06, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I actually just extracted the logo from the PDF listed on the page. But I know for a fact that American Typewriter is the correct font for that logo. Not sure which American Typerwriter typeface is used though. –Dream out loud (talk) 03:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your fast answer. Well, the typeface is exactly, what I am looking for. :-/ --Adam Brody (talk) 15:12, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

File:New York City Ground Zero map of damage.jpg - deletion

08:23, 28. Sep. 2011 Túrelio deleted „File:New York City Ground Zero map of damage.jpg“ ‎ (Copyright violation: Photograph entirely of a copyrighted map)

I do not understand, why this photo was immediately deleted without any prior discussion. It was a photo of a huge poster, which in the year 2006 was positioned on public ground in New York city in front of the ground zero site. It was most likely produced by or at least on behalf of the government and its public exhibition was apparently authorized by the goverment. No source and copyright information were found on or near the poster. How do you know that this map is copyrighted? By whom? --NorbertNagel (talk) 19:47, 28 September 2011 (UTC)--Norbert Nagel 19:35, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

A discussion was not necessary because the image was a copyright violation. All creative works are copyrighted, regardless of whether or not copyright information is displayed. For example, if you create an original painting, it is copyrighted by you. There's not need to display copyright info. Unless you explicitly state that your painting is in public domain, then it is subject to copyright. I am guessing that the map was created by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which is not a government agency, but government-created works are still subject to copyright, unless it was produced by the federal government (see WP:Copyrights#Governing copyright law). I don't know what you mean by "the government". New York City government? New York state government? U.S. federal government? If it is a federal government-created work, then there needs to be a link or some kind of proof that it was created by the federal government. If it was created by another government, then it is only free if they explicitly stated it somehow. Otherwise, the map was not free. Read WP:FAQ/Copyright for more info. –Dream out loud (talk) 21:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: Occupy Wall Street poster image

No, I couldn't find a better link, the page seems broken to me or already link rotten, I could only access the image through a direct link. It's fair use either way, so I don't see much of a problem or a need to verify how restrictive the copyright is. And sorry, no, I don't feel like being less sarcastic when dealing with copyright paranoia issues. Maybe somebody who understands our byzantine fair use policies can feel the rationale better. If not, tough. The protesters who campaign against big corps should learn to use free licenses. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 09:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok, well in that case, I'm just doing to nominate the image for deletion since no one seems to know exactly where it came from. –Dream out loud (talk) 20:40, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, there IS a link. But yeah, source should be better. Anyway, I wanted to note that the tone of my post above might have been a bit off; I was writing it around 4:30am. Thanks for your efforts, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 23:33, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Honor point count

HI: I had dome my first page here and was willing to rectify the context and add some more text. But the page dissapeared. Is it possible to put it somewhere so I can introduce the corresponding corrections so that you can review it before saving it?

thanks

--John plaut (talk) 00:00, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Musical in NYC Oct 22

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rugrats image

Hey there. I'm not 100% sure if you will be able to get hold of an image, but I managed to get an image released by Six Entertainment for The Human Centipede (First Sequence) by e-mailing the producer of the film and explaining how there was a chance that the article might be on the front page, and how it would be really helpful if they could kindly release an image under a free license. I made sure I mentioned how many page views the main page gets each day and how much exposure the article would get from a main page appearance. I also politely pointed out that releasing a low resolution image (such as in your case File:Rugrats Chanukah.jpg) will not harm their commercial interests, but will massively benefit the article and also make it more likely that the article does make it to the main page.

I had a look online and the best e-mail address I could find was webmaster@klaskycsupo.com, it can't hurt to fire an e-mail off to that address. At the very least they might be able to give you the correct e-mail address. There are some good tips on how to request permission for images to be released at Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. It would be cool if the article could get onto the main page. I think it would get a lot of readers and it would be effective in teaching non-jewish readers a great deal about Chanukah too. Good luck with the nomination! Coolug (talk) 20:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

It looks like this may well end up on the front page! Have you had any progress with regards to an image? Coolug (talk) 23:26, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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Deletion discussion about Live Trax Vol. 1

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Blow Your House Down

Is that a commercial single or a promo? As I understand it, it was only released to radio as a promo single and so probably shouldn't be listed in the singles infobox. Melicans (talk, contributions) 05:21, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Didn't think about that. I guess it should be removed from the infobox then. –Dream out loud (talk) 05:34, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I've removed it from the infobox and added promotional to the prose. =) Melicans (talk, contributions) 05:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

I won't be on much between now and the beginning of the New Year, so I'll wish you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year now (before I forget). Here's to a productive year on Wikipedia, and an even more productive one to come! May you be filled with Achtung spirit, and may the sky not fall down! Happy Holidays! Melicans (talk, contributions) 22:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

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L.A Metro

When the heck did Metro change the names of these stations? Is there a press release or something? Personally, I enjoyed the awkwardness of referring to the station as imperial/Wilmington/Rosa Parks. I hope they didn't remove Julian Dixon from 7th/Metro Center... hbdragon88 (talk) 06:37, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea when the names were changed. But if you look at the Metro map you can see that they're all different. –Dream out loud (talk) 15:13, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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Butt Hole Road

Nice job. I was amazed to see what this article has become, and it seems largely due to you. --C S (talk) 18:20, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

List of SEPTA Regional Rail stations

I see that you're working on a List of SEPTA Regional Rail stations. I just started working on my own this week, and it includes parameters of the List of Metro-North Railroad stations. Perhaps we should combine elements from each others lists. I've also got other lists planned for SEPTA rapid transit and trolley stations. I'll even establish a Category:Lists of Pennsylvania railway stations category once they're all done, or maybe even before then. ----DanTD (talk) 18:47, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:TerminaLink

Template:TerminaLink has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Airport names

More discussion on airport names.

WP:HYPHEN says that proper names get hyphens, like Jones-Smith (or, as the example says "John Lennard-Jones". Are airport names any different? If I take a bicycle trip from Paris to Orly and write an article about it, or someone else does, it would correctly be called Paris–Orly trip with an en dash and trip not capitalized. But if I create a bicycle and call it the Paris-Orly Flyer that becomes a proper name and is capitalized. Is not the same true for airport names? Please see the discussions at WP:MOS, Talk:Seattle–Tacoma International Airport#Requested move and the recently opened RfC at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#New RfC. Apteva (talk) 22:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)