User talk:Yunshui

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I appreciate you offering to help me. I have alot of questions. The article I created was done with alot of help. I wouldn't know how to get it to that standard again by myself thats for sure. With regards to that article, it says its an orphan so I'd like to fix that to start. I added a link where the man's name appeared on a related article but the message still is displayed. I suppose I would have to remove it if what I did fixes that issue, but need to know for sure. What do you recommend I do to fix this? Are more links required? In order for his name to appear in more articles, I would have to add the content to them. Tx, CCcard12 (talk) 13:00, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Craig. You are allowed to remove the {{orphan}} tag if you feel the issue has been suitable dealt with - I'd say, though, that one incoming link was still insufficient - about 3-5 is usually enough. Apart from adding information to other golf-course articles, a simple way to find linkable pages is to do a text search within Wikipedia - type "~Mike Strantz" into the search bar and the extra tilde will cause the software to find all instances of the text string "Mike Strantz". (Actually, don't bother - I'll leave that sentence in as a useful tip for the future, but having just run that search myself, there's only the Mike Strantz page and the wikilink that you added to Forrest Fezler). That said, adding content is nothing to veer away from - there are a number of sources in the Mike Strantz article which could lead you to add text about him to other articles. I'll take a look myself and see if I can do anything to help. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:07, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, I've stuck a link in from Monterey Peninsula Country Club, which is the only one of his courses to currently have an article - a good next step would be to see if any of the other courses listed merit articles of their own. You could well have hit a nice vein of article subjects to mine! Have a quick read of this essay (my distallation of the basics of a first article), and then consider whether you can find sources to support an article on, say, The Caledonia Golf and Fish Club. Let me know if you need a hand. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:22, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

(You could start with [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] and so on...) Yunshui 雲‍水 13:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I would need a hand if I were to attempt to create those articles. I saw that you created that link to Monterey CC, thats great. I deleted Forrest however as Mike was the actual designer. Shall I assume that Mike's page is finished or is there any sense in adding an image to the info box. I've seen this on other pages and wondered if it is something to consider? Ccard12 (talk) 13:36, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

No page is ever "finished" here... there's always some way to improve even a Featured article. Images are always a good thing to have in an article, but you'd need to locate one that was suitable under Wikipedia's copyright licence - see the image use policy for the gory details. Basically, any image would have to be available either under a free licence like CC-BY-SA or under fair use (since Mr Strantz is dead, it wouldn't be possible to create a free image if none already exists). If you have something in mind, let me know the details (where you got it or where it's located on the web) and I'll check it for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking of contacting the operator of one of his courses (who I met in the past) and inquiring if they would allow us to use one. I have an image in mind but they are likely the only ones who have the file. I doubt they would have any problem allowing us to use it. Is this something that you recommend I do?Ccard12 (talk) 13:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Definitely. This page has some useful examples to show you how to word such a request; just copy and paste the most appropriate one and change the relevent details. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, I'll do that, thanks alot. After looking over the Monterey page you linked Mike to I noticed a bunch of errors (all kinds) that I'm about to fix. A website advertising Monterey Peninsula golf actually copy and pasted the incorrect information from the Wikipedia article and use it as a feature for the course on their site! Incredible.Ccard12 (talk) 14:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I have secured an image to post on the page and the person who donated it is ok with the CCA Sharealike 3.0 license. Can you tell me what other info I may need from them so I can thank them and sign off. Thanks Ccard12 (talk) 13:38, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Two options - if the image is already available online somewhere, all they need to do is make a statement somewhere at that location to the effect that the image is released under CC-BY-SA. If it's not online, technically they should contact permissions@en-wikipedia.org to confirm that they own the rights to the image and release it under CC-BY-SA terms. However, from a purely practical standpoint, that's not wholly necessary - as long as they're willing to do this if asked, you can go ahead and upload the image. The best place to do so is Wikimedia Commons, the global image repository used by all Wikipedia projects - the upload wizard for Commons is here], although you'll need to create an account there first in order to use it. Let me know how you get on, and then I'll talk you through putting it into the article. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:44, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I have uploaded the image to Wikipedia Commons and am now at the point where I believe we can upload it. Can you kindly let me know how to proceed. Thanks. Ccard12 (talk) 15:31, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ccard12 - apologies for the tardiness of this reply. If the image has been uploaded to Commons then it's ready to use (what did you call the file? I can't find anything searching for "Mike Strantz" at Commons). Since there's already an infobox template in the article, we can use that to display the image. All you need to do is this:

1. Go to the Mike Strantz article and open the "Edit" tab.
2. At the start of the article, you'll see the infobox template; it's the list of parameters under the text {{Infobox architect.
3. Fill a couple of the empty fields as follows:

   |image = Name of your file.file extension

   |caption = suitable caption, e.g. "Mike Strantz at Monterey Peninsula in 1992".

4. Save the page.

It's important that you put the file name in correctly - don't put File: or Image: in front of it, and make sure you put the correct extension (.jpg, .png etc.) after it. If you have any trouble, let me know the name of the file and I'll do it for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:37, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Yunshui.... Many thanks for your help - appreciated. I'll write the request up in the right place next time! David T Tokyo (talk) 07:52, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for flagging it up. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:53, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Ānanda_(Hindu_philosophy)

Hello Mr Yunshui, Here is article i am interested in , Currently i just edited the intro part ,but the whole article is written very subjectively . do not want it to rejected how can i get some more time to edit and review the article ? Shrikanthv (talk) 08:50, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow, jumping in at the deep end, I see... that's a page that will need a lot of work. Still, it's not unsalvagable; you should have a go at improving it. Firstly, since it's at AFC there's no real time limit - it can be submitted and rejected as many times as is necessary before being turned into an article, so you're not under any deadline to get it up to scratch. Take your time; if another rejection notice appears just carry on and resubmit when you think it's ready.

The two main issues you'll need to address are as follows:

• Tone/language. Since English isn't your first language you may find this the most difficult aspect to deal with, but don't worry - do what you can and then I or another editor can always clean up the minor details. The most important thing is to try and make it understandable to readers who don't know much about Hinduism; simplify the language, explain some of the terms used or rephrase them into English equivalents, make the language objective, and try to create a structured route through the article.
• Sort out some better references - a few links to bits of the Bhagavad Gita are fine, but you need to find scholarly works which discuss the concept of Ananda in Hinduism - non-Hindu sources would be preferable. Try looking at Google Books and Google Scholar for starters, and see how you go. Avoid sources that seem to be subjective or are published by small or specialist publishing houses.

Best of luck! Yunshui 雲‍水 09:13, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Yunshui, I have gone through this topic in the past and also may be allways going through this topic once in a while. there seems to be a problem and help me out 1) There are 4 books written in (old sanskrit)(vedas). and out of which the short summaries are again written on, of about more than 100 + (upanishads). Again written in old sanskrit, out of which only 10-11 are known and famous. 2) There are countless authors who have tried to translate the topics and try to bring about the meaning or true essence of it. (very subjective) 3) there cannot be a summary or generalising of topic meanings over here. as the interpreters have intepreted the subject in a vastly different manners.

so how to go about writting this highly philosophical and subjective topic ?. Is it fine if i try to qoute different takes from different authors ? Shrikanthv (talk) 12:08, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Quotes from multiple authors are fine, although a better approach would be to summarise their positions in your own words and cite them as a source. If possible, be selective: choose scholarly authors who are known for their contributions to religious studies or Hindu history, and who have been published by well-known and respected publishing houses or journals. You don't have to report the opinion of every hippy yogi wannabe who has put out a book through CreateSpace... Try to avoid using the original Sanskrit sources as much as possible; they are primary sources and subject to multiple interpretations (as you're already aware!). Needless to say, avoid at all costs trying to give your own idea of what Ananda is (WP:NOR) - just convey, as best you can, the most prevelant modern view of the topic, and any divergent view that is sufficiently well-represented. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Mr Yunshui, I have created the article Ānanda_(Hindu_philosophy), please have a look and recommend improvements. Shrikanthv (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Shrikanthv. I have done some copyediting to the first half of the article; the second half, is, frankly beyond me, and might be worth ditching altogether (it's highly POV and thus inappropriate under the neutral tone policy, giving far to much weigh to the Advaita Vedanta school of thought). More concerning, though, is that fact that you apparently copied-and-pasted some of the text from Soni Ruchi's AFC - I have placed a {{copied}} template on the talkpage to allow for this, but copying text without attribution is a violation of copyright: please don't do it again. In addition, it was somewhat inappropriate to create an article yourself based on work that another user was already putting together at AFC. Content forking like this to resolve an editing dispute is very much frowned upon. Now that the article is "live", it would be a good idea to include Soni Ruchi in its continued evolution; I notice that you've already placed a link on his talkpage, which is commendable.

I have also added the page to WikiProject Hinduism, which will hopefully help draw some more experienced editors who are knowledgable about Hinduism-related topics. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:44, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Mr Yunshui. Was unaware of content forking, Thanks for helping, currently i have moved the contraversial content to talk page asking for acertaining and structuring (which i find is a authors POV ) and does not belong to any one of well known authors or contents available. will see what others think Shrikanthv (talk) 12:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Lutalo Muhammad VANDALISED ENTRIES

Dear Yunshui,

There is a user by name of egghead06 and by the name of David Biddulph who keeps vandalising the site of Lutalo Muhammad, the Olympic Taekwondo athlete.

He is a menace who undermines and deletes Lutalo's achievements continuously.

I want to know if there is a way he can be blocked.

Kind regards,

legalactionjackson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legalactionjackson (talk • contribs) 11:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Actually, Legalactionjackson, their edits are correct, and yours are at fault. You are removing sourced information from the page, and adding unsourced information. That's never good on Wikipedia. Furthermore, at this point, edit warring, which you have been advised is inappropriate on your talk page. Please self-revert your own edit, and then go to Talk:Lutalo Muhammad and discuss your concerns. If you don't, you're going to be the one who is blocked. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:56, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Agree with Qwyrxian; more on your talkpage. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

In connection to this, see this Help desk posting. I am not sure whether they are threatening legal action or not. SassyLilNugget (talk) 12:25, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I've made an attempt to try and make the user understand what's going on. No idea if it will help. CaptRik (talk) 12:39, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. I've rather regretfully filed a report at the edit warring noticeboard, both to get more eyes on this issue and to allow a neutral admin to stabilise the article (I don't feel I can block or protect in this instance, since I've made a revert to the page myself). I still fail to see this supposed defamation/denigration; the Muhammad/Cook controversy was heavily covered at the time (I followed it closely myself) and I can't see how it detracts from Muhammad's Olympic achievments in the slightest. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind...

...that I did a non-admin closure for the AN thread related to the above since it was obvious that you wanted it closed. Cheers, SassyLilNugget (talk) 14:02, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Cheers for that. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:02, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Yunshui. You have new messages at Titodutta's talk page.
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Award for being great!

		The Special Barnstar
		There's no way to describe why I'm offering you this Barnstar. You really are a tireless contributor and I feel this Barnstar would show some of my appreciation for you. Thank you, Yunshui! KazLabz (talk) Respond on my talkpage! I'm not an administrator! 22:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ranunculoid

I don't see why VMware is exempt from "wikipedia style" but NVIDIA isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranunculoid (talk • contribs) 11:28, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

MOS:TM states "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official"" and "Using all caps is preferred if the letters are pronounced individually, even if they don't stand for anything." Nvidia is pronounced "en-vidia", and thus requires only a single initial capital. VMware is pronounced "vee-em-ware", and thus requires that both the V and the M be capitalised. NVIDIA would be used if the company's name were pronounced "en-vee-eye-dee-eye-ay" - I don't believe this to be the case, but if you can provide a source showing that it is, please feel free to request a change on the article's talkpage. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:37, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Lickheart

Just FYI - sock of User:Sonphan1 -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Sometimes I wonder if there are more than ten actual vandals on Wikipedia; every second one I block (or - embarassingly - unblock) seems to be a sock of someone else... Yunshui 雲‍水 15:06, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

At least you won't be needing to unblock this one ;-) It's some kid in Vietnam, by the looks of things. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Industrious little fella, isn't he? Yunshui 雲‍水 15:11, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

There are more untagged or incorrectly tagged ones too - look for users starting User:Sonphan...

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/ Ānanda (Hindu philosophy)

A very good morning to you. I have been directed to you by Tito Dutta to seek a way to salvage my captioned article. I do not agree with the changes made because no subsequent opinion expressed by any later thinker can supercede what has been stated by the Vedas, the Upanishadas and the Gita. Is it possible to save my version? If so, kindly save it.Soni Ruchi (talk) 04:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Soni. One of Wikipedia's main pillars is that we take a neutral point of view on the topics written about - we report what has been said in the available sources, no more. Whilst I appreciate that you may believe the Vedas, Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita to be the last word on the subject of ananda, there are many subsequent sources that also discuss it and interpret it, and these also need to be included. Your version of the article essentially appears to be your personal interpretation of the Vedas, etc. - unless you're a notable Hindu theologian who has had your opinions published elsewhere, I'm afraid that your own readings of the primary sources do not constitute encyclopedic coverage of the topic (basically, you're producing original research, which doesn't get included in Wikipedia). In the same way that we can't include a zealous Christian editor's eschatology based on their interpretation of Revelation, we can't accept your reading of the Bhagavad Gita as an explanation of ananda.

On the positive side, when Shrikanthv copied a large portion of your text over to the mainspace Ānanda (Hindu philosophy) article, he made your version at Articles for creation a permanent page - since it provides attribution for part of the history of the mainspace article, it can't be deleted as long as the mainspace article exists. My suggestion would be for you to leave the AfC page alone now, and concentrate on improving the live page at Ānanda (Hindu philosophy) - take care, though, to abide by Wikipedia's policy on verifiability; anything you add to the article should be available in a published secondary or tertiary source. Don't add your own interpretations of the Vedas. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Yunshui,

Hope you are having a good time! When you told me to contribute in that article, I thought Soni Ruchi's article has been accepted. I am not very much happy here.. or I am puzzled. Shrikanthv offered help to Soni Ruchi here User_talk:Soni_Ruchi#help. Soni Ruchi denied. The thing which I have been trying not to say for last few days, this is a topic hijacking. Soni Ruchi has worked in that article and should get the attribution. If they have copied portion from AFC without attribution then that is copyright violation. Please share your opinion! --Tito Dutta (talk) 07:54, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Tito. As understand the situation, the sequence of events went something like this:

• [7] Shrikanthv encounters the AfC, recognises that there are problems with it, and attempts to resolve them with a series of edits [8].
• [9] Soni Ruchi reverts these edits to the earlier version of the page.
• [10] Shrikanthv asks for an explanation of the reverting. When no response is forthcoming after a few hours, he forks and creates the article in mainspace, copying some text from the AfC and adding some new material [11].
• [12] I make a few copy edits to the page and add a {{copied}} template to resolve the copyright issue (copying text within Wikipedia is permissible under the licensing terms, but attribution is required - the template provides this).
• [13] Soni Ruchi incorporates the text of the AfC into the mainspace article, effectively resolving the copyright issue (since his text is now in the mainspace article's history).

In my opinion, both editors have made mistakes here. Shrikanthv's creation of the article in mainspace was inappropriate and he would have done better to discuss the issues with Soni Ruchi and fix the article whilst still at AfC. Soni Ruchi should have been more communicative, and also needs to understand that he does not own the article, in either location. However, since the article is now "live", and since both editors are contributing to it, the best way forward is to forget the AfC and try to address the (many!) current issues with the mainspace page. Primarily, it needs reworking in a neutral tone, and also requires more secondary and tertiary sources. Most of Soni Ruchi's additions constitute unsourced interpretation of the primary sources (see my reply to him above) and need to be sourced to notable commentators, rephrased, or discarded. No-one's coming out of this smelling of roses, but the primary goal now is to turn the page into a decent article. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:20, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for detailed reply. Just a similar event- few weeks ago I created an article Josephine MacLeod, just today I saw someone went to AFC to create the same article. Naturally it got denies as article already existed (note, I created the article much before his AFC). He then copied all portion from AFC and pasted in the mainspace article (just like what has happened here). The article is in much better condition now! Today after knowing these incidents I have given him a barnstar and offered help for his future articles. Some polite words or a smile can make many things easier.

That's the problem here. They were not very much communicative or friendly. And I feel Soni Ruchi should get the article creator's attribution here! --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:06, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

He technically does, via the {{copied}} template, but it won't show up in the Toolserver list of his created articles. No easy fix for that, unfortunately. Hopefully you and I can encourage them to move forwards collaboratively; both editors seem willing to converse and compromise to some extent, so we can hopefully help them develop a decent article out of this mess. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Most probably Soni is "she". I have seen few editors offering help to Soni Ruchi including Shrikanthv. I was trying to avoid this discussion for some reasons (hope you can understand) and I asked her to post in your talk page for better suggestions and since you are trainer of Shrikanthv. We can inform Shrikanthv about current circumstances! He can do a brilliant act here by asking to delete the article (article creator's request to delete) and allow Soni Ruchi to re-create it. Not sure if it is possible or if he will do so! --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately the edits to the article by myself, Soni and other users mean that deletion under G7 would not be permitted - it only applies when the page creator requests deletion and no other significant edits have been made. My apologies to Soni if I got her gender wrong - always an easy mistake to make on Wikipedia! Yunshui 雲‍水 09:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I am also not sure. Actually the (Indian) name indicates so. My suggestion to Soni Ruchi will be– forget this article, there are thousands of more topics to work. Yunshui, you can adopt Soni Ruchi too if you have any empty slot! Soni Ruchi is facing trouble to add citations. --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:52, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I strictly do not want to take authorship or plagarise someothers content, when i found copy pasting was fork i immediatley removed the previous content and moved it to talk page for discussion , Please have a look here , i do understand i should have discussed this in AFC before. Regarding the topic in itself, here comes the new article (resembling the same), I am trying to communicate and trying to let Ms soni ruchi know that the idea of talk page and discussion , which has not been fruit full till now. however i still believe the Ms soni ruchi is a honest contributor. but may have to undergo wkification little bit. (danger of POV eludes ) Shrikanthv (talk) 07:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Facepalm Oh boy. This is not going at all well.

I'm going to delete the Ananda (Vedanta) page as a clear violation of WP:POVFORK. I have no prejudice against including some of the information here in the Ānanda (Hindu philosophy) page (and it's all replicated on the talkpage there, and in the page history, so it's easily accessible for editing and reuse), but we cannot have a separate article on the same subject that clearly exists to push a non-neutral POV. Soni, I'm sorry, but Wikipedia cannot present an article that only discusses the concept from a (your) Vedic perspective - we need one article that discusses all aspects and interpretations (or at least, all aspects and interpretations that have been covered in reliable secondary and tertiary sources).

Shrikanthv, I sincerely hope you can see why creating articles based on other people's AfCs is a bad idea now... Yunshui 雲‍水 08:37, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Things are getting more and more complicated! I can not understand what is going wrong here! REALLY, if you put Yunshui and me in such situation most probably we'll settle everything in just 1 or 2 talk(s) like "Oh, you have created this article, actually I thought to create this one, anyway, I have some content in my sandbox, please see if you can incorporate something there. Ad in my next article you have to definitely help me! "

Do not take it very seriously. Before you say you are feeling disappointed because your article has been deleted (I think you may feel so), let me tell you, few months ago I created an article "Bhooter Bhobishyat", later someone found someone else has created the same article with alternative spelling few days ago and he redirected my article (deleting everything) to that article. I have some 270 articles, but my 3 or 4 articles have been deleted or merged. --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:21, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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Adding a tattoo artist to the list

Hi, I would like to add to the table List of tattoo artist an Italian tattoo artist Tom|Tattoo, real name Tommaso Buglioni, one of "the fathers" of modern tattoo art in Italy, working since 1982. He has long worked in the USA, partecipating to several conventions in the States, as, for instance, The NYC Tattoo Convention since his first edition in late '90s. He has a page in the Italian Wikipedia: can I add him to the list even if he has not an English page? I guess I'd mention some reliable sources, how about if I add a list of English language pubblication mentioning Tom Tattoo? Where should I do it? How can I add his name to the list and make it appear in the table? Thanks for your help--Giulia Visci (talk) 10:47, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Generally, it's preferable to write the article first. However, if you can provide sources which demonstrate he meets the notability guidelines (having a page on another wiki isn't sufficient on its own, though the Italian Wikipedia page may list some sources you could use) then you could probably add him. To do so, add the text:

|-


| {{Sortname|Tommaos|Buglioni}}
| (years active)
| Italian

| aka "Tom Tattoo" (additional notes) <ref>(reference)</ref>

to the bottom of the table at the page List of tattoo artists, making sure that you place it between the last entry and the |} device (which marks the end of the table). Yunshui 雲‍水 10:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Smithsonian Gardens

Dear Yunshui: I am recreating a page, with new content, that you previously deleted. I had assistance. I read your other page that you requested users to read first. Please see user sandbox and comment. Thank you. Geraldshields11 (talk) 14:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Section from another user's talkpage

Cut from talk page Since the article is now gone (and the talk page with it!) I just wanted to chime in here with a couple of points. First, the alleged copyright infringement of content from gardens.si.edu is not really valid since the Smithsonian Gardens web page was created and maintained by a quasi-Federal government institution--it seems to me that this content should be in U.S. public domain. However, I do understand the need for a greater variety of sources. Second, Geraldshields11, if you do want to keep working on this article in some sandbox space until it is ready for primetime, I am glad to help out with that effort in any way I can. I do have access to the two published print books (Otteson and Park) cited in the article Enid A. Haupt Garden, and can help adding those citations if needed. Thanks for your hard work in sharing knowledge about these important landmark gardens on our National Mall.--Sarasays (talk) 14:00, 18 October 2012 (UTC) Hi, please take a look at my expansion of your work on Smithsonian Gardens. It is currently in my user sandbox, because I didn't want to gunk up your talk page any more. I think it is ready for you to to try publishing it again, if you agree. Keep me posted!--Sarasays (talk) 17:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC) Dear Fellow Wikipedia Editors: Please do the edit at Sarasays' user sandbox. It is a better place and I have already edited and provided discussion at the sandbox talk page. I really appreciated the efforts in making Smithsonian Gardens a better article than the pickachu articles. Geraldshields11 (talk) 01:22, 23 October 2012 (UTC) 01:16, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Gerald. Looks good to me (looks excellent, in fact; well-sourced, nicely written, good structure and coverage), feel free to whack it into mainspace whenever you like. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:26, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Dear Yunshi, Thank you for the compliment. Geraldshields11 (talk) 15:21, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Smithsonian Gardens

Allen3 nominated Smithsonian Gardens for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. Geraldshields11 (talk) 15:20, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

You're Wrong

Wikipedia's current "definition" of "notability" is WRONG, and it's going to CHANGE. Fansites ARE acceptable as sources, and to say otherwise is to say that they don't matter, which is not true. ResonX (talk) 14:35, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Good luck with that. However, as you say, we are operating under Wikipedia's current definition of notability, which excludes such sites as reliable sources. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

As I just told you, that doesn't matter. What matters is what's RIGHT, and your definition is WRONG. ResonX (talk) 14:38, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, reliable sources are not the only sources. "Non–reliable" sources are lesser than reliable ones, but still count for something. ResonX (talk) 14:40, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

With an attitude like that which expressly dismisses Wikipedia policies is likely to end with you having a short, but unhappy time here. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

It's not my definition. It's Wikipedia's definition, arrived at by community consensus, which is the principal determiner of policy on this site. May other wikis allow fansites as sources, possibly even some of the other language Wikipedias. On the English version of Wikipedia, though, fansites, blogs and forums are not considered viable sources. If you want to change that, I'd suggest you start by proposing your changes at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability, and go from there. If you want to use sources which are currently regarded as unreliable for the purposes of establishing notability, you should try discusssing it at Wikipedia talk:Notability. Personally, I don't think you'll get anywhere - I mean that as a friendly suggestion that you avoid wasting your time and effort, not as a discouragement - but you're welcome to try. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:46, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

OKPay

I think you have erred in your deletion of this article. It made a worthy claim of notability and I'm not sure what exactly you saw that made it "unambiguous advertising", but FYI, listing the features of a service is not. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 14:43, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Marcus. You're right - I deleted it becuase it failed A7, but because User:Panyd had included G11 when they tagged it with {{db-multiple}}, both reasons showed up in the deletion log. Normally I remove the ones I disagree with, but I obviously forgot this time. I'm not going to restore it and redelete it merely to remove the extraneous deletion tag (don't want to clog the log up) but thanks for pointing it out. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't read your question fully - you also claimed it made a claim to notability. That I can't see - the text doesn't distinguish it from any other online payment system, of which there are hundreds (mostly non-notable), and there are no third-party sources to suggest it passes GNG. If you want to recreate the page with some appropriate sources (you know the drill), be my guest. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:55, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

300,000 active users, if true (and Alexa appears to validate this), is the same size community as LevelUp. 300,000 is a notable assertion so I would say AfD would be a better venue if it comes to that. There are plenty of sources, albeit some in Russian and of undetermined reliability, [14] [15] [16] [17] and someone thought it was notable enough to write about it on the Russian Wikipedia. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 16:48, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I personally disagree (well, obviously I do, otherwise I wouldn't have deleted it!), but my opinion's beside the point. I'd be more than happy to resurrect the article to your userspace if you want to work on it; let me know if you'd like me to do that. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes please. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 14:00, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Done; it's now here for you to play with. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:04, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Sreelakshmi Suresh - Again!

Sorry to bother you, but hope you remember the article, the last AFD discussion etc. The article is - Sreelakshmi Suresh Though I was totally against this article before and started the 4th AFD nomination and discussion, I gave up after you explained the importance of 'Notability' and the Wikipedia basics related to it. I had no complaints on it too. During and after the 4th AFD, the article was pretty much tidy up. I didn't edit it much but I saw other user wikipedia users edited the article as the AFD discussion attracted many. Anyway, I see many small changes recently. Few are somewhat vandalizing and some genuine editing too. anyway, I see few lines are added back in the article by the senior member Mkdw To make it short, here is the discussion we had. I also added a new section in the talk page of the original article - section 8.

Would you please have a look and comment on it? Either here or in the talk page of the article. As you know I am not very familiar with some of the Wkipedia guidlines, so it will be great if you point out whether I am wrong at any point. Thanks in advance. --LVerina (talk) 09:51, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

You aren't planning to let this drop, are you? I've left some comments at the article's talkpage. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

LOL. No, I have no plan for another round of fight on this:) Seriously. As you can see I didn't make any edits after that at all. I see vandalism attempts by few recently and I also see Mkdw adding many lines back. That is when I thought of contacting you again. As I mentioned, the article was pretty neat and tidy up after 4th AFD discussion. It was pretty much on the neutral way. But if we add the lines which were removed before to make the article big, I do not think it will do any good. While I understand the guidelines, rules and notability related parts of Wikipedia, there are a lot of people who rely on Wikipedia thinking its fully (or almost fully) genuine. Yes, it is their fault I know, but the reference to 'AAW' and 'International Awards' will mislead a lot which I am sure. As I see the same thing happened/happening still in India as newspapers and media project the girl as someone with exceptional skills! Thanks again, for checking it and commenting on. --LVerina (talk) 10:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Yunshui. You have new messages at Sriharsh1234's talk page.
Message added 15:16, 1 November 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Sriharsh1234 15:16, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Rollback rights

WAIT! Please read this post ENTIRELY before tossing it in the metaphorical trashbin with disgust. The heading makes it seem I would like rollback rights NOW, but that isn't true. Clearly I'm too inexperienced to recieve rollback rights.

Anyway, I've been doing some vandal-fighting mixed in with some new-user welcoming. For the vandal-fighting part, I have found it pretty inconvenient to have to open the diffs, undo the edit, click the browser's "Back" button, and repeat, even if it has some tags that give away the contents. I would like to recieve rollback rights sometime in the future, preferably in a few months or so, when I have showed you that a considerable degree of experience has been shown. Thanks!

- by Kevin12cd... Tell me how I'm doing on my Talkpage! 00:58, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kevin. Well, you're right - I'm afraid you're nowhere near ready to be given the rollback tool. However, there is an easier alternative you could use in the interim - Twinkle. I hesitate to recommend it, since it's a very powerful tool for a comparatively new editor, but if you're extremely cautious, it could be a good next step in your wiki-career.

I would strongly suggest that you finish (and pass, of course!) the vandal-fighting section of your adoption page before setting off with Twinkle; I've seen a number of users blocked for incorrect or excessive Twinkle use in the past and don't want to see you make their mistakes. If you're interested in learning to use the tool, I will try and put together a Twinkle "how to" guide for you, to help you get to grips with it - there are a lot of additional tools in the Twinkle bundle, and they aren't all entirely intuitive. Let me know if you'd like to give it a go. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:01, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui,

I think Twinkle might be a good start for my vandal-fighting career. I'd like to give it a shot, but not before, as you recommended, completed the Vandalism section of my Adoption page. Thanks for the feedback!

- by Kevin12cd... Tell me how I'm doing on my Talkpage! 23:37, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Here's User:Yunshui/Twinkle for beginners, to give you an idea of what tools are available in Twinkle. I've also marked a few more of your responses at User:Yunshui/Adoption/Kevin12xd/Vandals for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: adoption

Hi! I finally remembered my password - I've been editing surreptitiously as an IP for a few months now :P. I've lurked on Wiki for years now, so I know most of the policies intimately - however, I would like to expand my editing horizons. I've mostly limited myself to cosmetic changes, patent-POV removals, and the occasional sourcing... but I've only made a few tentative steps into the actual writing of articles, sections, sub-sections, etc., and then only on one or two articles that I was extremely familiar with. I'm not particularly self-assured! I guess that's a good place to start. I would also be keen to get more involved in the community, the spirit of things, etc. I guess in terms of specifics I need assistance when it comes to writing in an encyclopaedic style, and a more thorough explanation of sources and how to use them, eg. what you can and cannot use a source to claim, synthesis and all that... I hope you know what I mean!!! Anyway, thank you for the offer and I will gladly take you up on it, if you're still keen. Regards, D. Psychonavigation (talk) 01:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Psychonavigation - consider yourself adopted, then. As I said on your talkpage, it's clear you know what you're doing, so I suspect this will be a fairly hands-off adoption. However, you can regard me as a first port of call with any questions or problems you have, and if you need assistance writing articles, I'd be happy to lend a hand. Given what you've said above, there's one page in my adoption school you might want to have a go at: the quiz on reliable sources. If you'd like to take it, substitute a copy into your own userspace (create a user subpage with the content "{{subst:User:Yunshui/Adoption/Sources}}") and answer the questions there.

I look forward to working with you on the encyclopedia. Welcome aboard, and happy editing! Yunshui 雲‍水 08:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Something else that might be useful is this essay (it's pitched at newbies and so is a bit below your level, but you may find something useful there). I'd strongly recommend you have a go at creating an article in the near future, it's a very rewarding process. If you'd like to start one off in your sandbox, rather than mainspace, then I'd be happy to help you work it up to a suitable standard before releasing it into the wild. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:58, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much :). I'll take a look at those pages. Yeah, don't worry, I shouldn't be bothering you too much :P I tend to be the sort who browses whilst editing, so a lot of my edits are incidental. But I'm finding more and more time to do some more significant edits, so I'll come to you if I have any larger textual additions in mind. As for writing an article, it's kind of like that saying that "everything that's been invented has already *been* invented", but there are a couple of things in my local area that may or may not be notable enough for their own article... I'll give it some thought. Once again, thanks a lot, and I'll be sure to let you know when I need some help. Peace. :) Psychonavigation (talk) 06:10, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Kalyanasundaram

It must be right to delete this page. So you would have done it. But can I get to see the contents of this page so I can try to wikify it? --Abhijeet Safai (talk) 05:25, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Abhijeet. The page was deleted as a copyright violation, so I'm afraid I can't restore it. However, the text was copied from this article in The Hindu, so you see what had been written by looking there. The subject appears to be notable; I wish you luck in developing the article. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:09, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow! What a great feeling it is to see such a nice message. It gives me immence pleasure to see your response that the person seems notable. Thanks a lot. I have created a page with the name. I was not able to work on it due to lack of time now. I will work on it in a couple of days. Thanks. --Abhijeet Safai (talk) 08:50, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

No rush - there's no deadlines here. I look forward to seeing what you come up with. Let me know if you need a hand with anything. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Re:Barnstar awarded by you

Thanks. But, I am not in this family to earn a name or fame for myself. I am here to learn, and whenever and where ever possible to share the results of my learning with others regardless of caste, kind or creed as they say in India. Please do not award or appreciate me. Instead, be harsh, scold me as a teacher would. Keep on guiding me, your continued interest in my progress is the greatest and most truthful reward that I humbly seek. Respectful regards.Soni Ruchi (talk) 14:10, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

You want scolding? Okay - stop being so damn humble! You're doing a good job getting to grips with Wikipedia, and you're adding some useful content; yes, there are issues you need to overcome, but you've shown an understanding of wikimarkup, some grasp of policy, and most of all, a willingness to work communally, which is the most important asset anyone can have here. Consider yourself told off for demeaning your good work to date! Yunshui 雲‍水 14:20, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

MY article :P

Ok, so, after a brief skimming of the "requested articles" list, I've already found something I'm rather familiar with. My specialty (if I have one) is underground music, and I've chosen Pascal F.E.O.S. as my candidate, as I am a fan of his music. I am in the process of laying out a draft on my sandbox page, but there are a few things I need (I think?). I'd request an IPA rendition of the name "Pascal Dardoufas" (which, based on interviews I've heard, is pronounced "dahr-dooo-fass"), since I cannot - for the life of me - decipher the phonetic alphabet and its myriad new characters. There's also that problem that's kind of inherent to musicians/bands/artists - particularly those of the underground persuasion... notability. I seriously doubt that Pascal F.E.O.S. has been mentioned in any mainstream news publications, because he's not exactly controversial or anything - he's just a DJ, really :P. His official site (http://www.pascalfeos.com/eng/index.php) is a primary source I assume, and can only be used for uncontentious biographical minutiae... the only other English source that offers anything extended is http://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/pascalfeos - do you feel that this qualifies as a reliable source? From a cursory examination it appears to be some kind of electronica producer/DJ directory... but I can't tell. There's also a page on Pascal at the German Wikipedia (he's German himself) - so I'd be keen to get some translations of the sources they're using, purely with regards to what I can and cannot claim using a particular source - if any (from what I've heard they're rather lax with the sources over in Deutschland... but that's just what I've *heard*, haha). I hope this isn't too tall an order, but I am a fan of the man's music, and whilst he's not especially well-known in English-speaking countries, he has recorded for several "cult" labels that have garnered quite a reputation over the years, and many of his collaborators have articles too. Let me know what you think. I'll show you the draft when I'm done with it... might work on it overnight. Peace :). Psychonavigation (talk) 06:40, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Psychonavigation. I'd be happy to look over your article before it goes live; let me know when it's ready for review. Based on your note above I think the IPA pronouciation would be dɑːɹ'dœːfas, but since I've never heard the name spoken I'm guessing a bit. If you stick it into the article and someone disagrees, they can always change it.

Source-wise, you're correct regarding the official site - uncontentious biographical details only. Resident Advisor is a reliable source in my book, although ideally an article would be preferred, rather than just a profile listing. Your best bet, by the looks of things, would be foreign language sources - there are plenty of articles listed in the Google News Archive, but the majority seem to be in other languages - I count Romanian, Turkish, Spanish, German and a few others (Polish, possibly?). These are perfectly acceptable as sources, although English sources are preferred (WP:NOENG). In the past, when I've used foreign language articles as sources, I've done so by punching the text into Google translate and extracting whatever information I can be relatively certain of from the resulting machine translation; it's a rather tedious process but it's possible to build most of an article in this way. There also looks to be some usable stuff in Google Books, check out the entries in the All Music Guide to Electronica and Techno: The Rough Guide especially.

You can also take (sourced) information from the German Wikipedia, but if you use a translation of their text be sure to include a {{Translated page}} template on the article's talkpage (otherwise you're violating their copyright). That said, I personally always prefer to create my own article from scratch, even if another Wiki (usually the Japanese one, in my case) has got there first.

Best of luck, and as I said above, feel free to ping me for a review when you're ready, or ask for any specific help that you need during the creation process. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Cheers :). I'll get started today and hopefully have something knocked up by the end of the week (I'm rather busy at the moment). By the way, on a nongermane note, what does the kanji in your user name mean? Thanks again. Peace :) Psychonavigation (talk) 01:54, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

No rush; as ever, let me know if I can help. In Mandarin, 雲=yun (cloud) 水=shui (water) - taken together, the term is a poetic reference to a wandering Taoist hermit. In Japanese, 雲=un (cloud) 水=sui (water), and "unsui" is usually used to describe a student of Zen or martial arts. So I'm either a Taoist hermit or a Zen student, depending on which language you read. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Awesome! I'm fascinated by Buddhism and Zen in general - are you informed in this area at all? If so, could you recommend any place to kinda, "start", with regards to learning about it and all that (even on Wikipedia, but preferably/maybe elsewhere too?). Now, to cut to the chase: with a view to completing my draft of Pascal F.E.O.S., I have made some extensive edits to the article FAX +49-69/450464, a German ambient/electronic/[insert-meaningless-genre-descriptor]] (and will soon do likewise to the page of its founder, Pete Namlook - the correlation with monsieur Pascal is his numerous releases on the label). Could you take a look? [18] is the pertinent diff prior to my overhaul. I'm not sure there's enough variety of sources (I removed a "citations needed" tag that was dated to 2010, IIRC), but it is a rather brief article and it is a niche topic. I doubt there will ever really be enough information out there to manufacture a full-length article from, contents and all, but is this now more than a stub? Or would that require sections? I *could* do that but each would be no more than four lines or so, which kind of defeats the purpose ... while the label's discography is far too vast to include, and a "selected discography" would be inherently POV, would it not? Anyway, I'd appreciate your feedback on this. Peace :D Psychonavigation (talk) 02:30, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

First off, heartfelt apologies for the delayed reply; it's been a long week...

Nice work expanding FAX +49-69/450464. If I have one criticism, it's the heavy use of Discogs as a reference - Discogs is largely user-generated, and therefore isn't a very good source (although I know it's used a lot). I've reformatted the references to make them a bit more accessible. I'd say it's definitely Start-class now, rather than stub, but that decision is really down to the members of the relevant WikiProjects - you can request a reassessment here. As for discographies, you could create one that listed only their notable releases, i.e. those that have their own Wikipedia articles already - that would comply with WP:Source list.

And if you want to bone up on Zen... well, D. T. Suzuki is quite a good place to start, and Thomas Cleary's translations are worth a read, especially his five-volume Classics of Buddhism and Zen. Frankly, there's tons of information out there, some of it worthwhile, some of it bobbins. Discerning between the two is an exercise in Zen in itself... Yunshui 雲‍水 10:54, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I've just discovered that we actually even have a specific template set, {{discogs}}, for citing Discogs - so its use is pretty common. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:31, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Another new user making bad edits.

Hi there,

Since I'm not sure where to report these things, here is a link to another user that I found committing minor vandalism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jamesboxton

Here is a link to the edits:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jamesboxton

Have a good one : )

InternetMeme (talk) 11:12, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

He seems to have given up and gone away now, which is good. For future reference, the best course of action when you find something like this is to revert and then either warn the user (depending on the severity of the vandalism and how frequent it's been) or report them to Administrators' intervention against vandalism (shortcut WP:AIV). If you're using Twinkle, you can report them with the AVR function. Cheers for letting me know. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:23, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Page deletion

why did you deleted my page? since its not violating anyone and it the information i wrote was trustworthy. do u know anything about the other nations history? for u to judge so fast? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.55.0.153 (talk) 14:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid that, since you're logged out, I don't know who you are or which article you're referring to. If you'd like to provide some more information, I'll endeavour to give you an answer. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:01, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I need to put more information as you were asking. Sorry for my bashful comment, thanks for the advise. I will revise my page and will put lots of informations regarding the topic. Actually my page was still under editing and proofreading. I hope Wikipedia will have a feature where you can save your page first without publishing it so soon. Time to rewrite it again. :/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kasmotdmime (talk • contribs) 15:12, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia does have such a feature; it's called a sandbox. Yours is at User:Kasmotdmime/sandbox. You can create your article there unmolested, and bring it up to standard before moving it into mainspace. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:21, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui. You recently deleted a page called Fasta Pasta about a restaurant chain in Australia. This restaurant is similar size to other restaurant chains, which are featured on Wikipedia, such as Hogsbreath Cafe Australia and Wendys Supa Sundaes, and so is of similar significance to these companies featured. I am hoping you can please reinstate the page. I had added a few changes to the web page last week, as I was hoping to be able to change their logo, as I saw that the logo on there was an old one. Would this please be possible, rather than recreating the page? I have posted below the information you put with the deletion for your reference. Look forward to hearing from you.

09:54, 31 October 2012 Yunshui (talk | contribs) deleted page Fasta Pasta (A7: Article about a company, corporation, organization, or group, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)

Thanks Bec BecWaters (talk) 01:01, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) From what I can tell, Yunshui deleted your page because you didn't make enough of a claim to notability that was supported by sources. If he wishes to, Yunshui can userfy the page into your userspace, the most likely location would be for him to move it to User:BecWaters/sandbox or another subpage. If you can find more sources and make a larger claim to notability, then you can ask other editors to take another look at it. gwickwire | Leave a message 01:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Gwickwire's correct; I deleted the page under the speedy deletion policy because it made no claim of notability and provided no independent sources. His suggestion of userfication is sensible, and so I have duly recreated the page in your sandbox. You will need to provide multiple, independent, reliable sources containing significant coverage of the chain in order to restore it to mainspace. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:03, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Userfication of Orly Ben-Garti

Recreating deleted copyright infringing material is at best very dubious, for two reasons. Firstly, quite simply, you are knowingly publishing copyright-infringing material. It would not be any defence against a charge of copyright infringement to say "aah, but, your honour, members of the public had to click a link labelled 'history' in order to see the content that I illegally published". What is more, you clearly indicated that you were aware that the content you were making publicly available infringed copyright. Secondly, it is difficult to see a legitimate future use for any content there that does not infringe copyright. If the page is moved back to mainspace then the bad goes there along with any good, so you have contributed to undeleting a deleted copyright article. If, on the other hand, the user page stays where it is, but the user copy-pastes it to mainspace then there are attribution issues. Normal practice is to delete any page which violates copyright all the way from its first version, whether in userspace, mainspace, or any other name space, and then to decline any request for the content to be restored. I really can't see any good reason for making an exception in this case. Furthermore, when you had removed the copyright infringing content, there was nothing of the article left except a list of links to IMDb, Myspace, etc, so it did not rescue any significant non-copyright-infringing content. That makes me wonder what the purpose of undeleting was. The only purpose I can see is to make available the history content, which you knew full well infringed copyright. I have thought very carefully about this, and have decided it goes beyond "hmm, I wouldn't have done it that way, but I see you have decided to", and falls rather in the sphere of "I'm afraid I really think you were wrong, and I feel I have to reverse your action". JamesBWatson (talk) 08:34, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Looking back at the incident - yes, you're right, and I was very definitely wrong. No excuses, it was a stupid thing to do. If it's any consolation, when I checked the message I'd left at User talk:Princessbg I almost slapped myself - I certainly know better than that (see a couple of the talkpage threads above, where I've emphatically refused to restore copyright violations) and I've no idea what I was thinking at the time. Thank you for sorting out my mess, and for letting me know. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Deleted page

12:33, 5 November 2012 Yunshui (talk | contribs) deleted page Logaholic (A7: Article about an eligible subject, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)

Hello Yunshui,

Yesterday you deleted my contribution to the Logaholic page, but there is certainly significance for the subject. Logaholic, as included in cPanel, has millions of users worldwide. Besides, it's one of the few web analytics software programs that use Log files for data collection. I would very much appreciate if you could undo your deletion, so I can add Logaholic to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_analytics_software.

Regards, Cvdvelde — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cvdvelde (talk • contribs) 09:35, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I have restored the page to your userspace at User:Cvdvelde/Logaholic; you can work on it there. I'd suggest removing the list of products, pricing and commercial links, and instead locating reliable, independent sources to give evidence of notability - whilst it may have millions of users and be a near-unique web analysis tool, if nobody who is unconnected with Logaholic has published statements to that effect, we can't have an article on it. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:46, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation...

...and the consequent validation! (And now I go back to my vandal-busting. ;) ) — further, Francophonie&Androphilie sayeth naught (Je vous invite à me parler) 11:38, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

No problem, it's nice to be able to accept a request for confirmation for a change... Yunshui 雲‍水 11:40, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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		Yunshui, I'm awarding you this barnstar as you gave me help and encouragement when I needed it! It seems to be the best way of showing my appreciation to someone who works tirelessly to help and advise others! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:39, 7 November 2012 (UTC) PS: I think I'm even starting to get the hang of editing Wiki stuff now - have a peak at Irish Red and White Setter if you get the chance! PPS: .....but I expect I've put this in the wrong place!

Thank you Phil, that's very kind. I'm impressed by your expansion of the article - so much so that I've filed a DYK nomination for it on your behalf. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

RfA vote

Thanks for pointing out my mistake, I somehow confused the names when writing my vote, but meant obviously Northamerica1000. The link is about his contributions too. I corrected it, and since it is not a part of the discussion, I took the liberty to delete it. Kraxler (talk) 14:49, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

That's fine; I'd have redacted the comments myself if you hadn't gotten there first. I was just concerned that you were implying Road Wizard was a sock, given the concerns already raised. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:50, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

The point with the "Preview button" is well taken. We all make mistakes sometimes, and the "Preview button" helps a lot to avoid them, but sometimes they slip through, nebertheless. On the other side, I've been editing Wikipedia since 2006, and never asked to be an admin. Nobody nominated me without my knowledge, either... :D

I actually didn't notice anything about socks, but now I get it what the question about "other accounts" was referring to. Hmmm... Kraxler (talk) 14:57, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Your message on my TP

Hi Yunshui,

Thanks for letting me know about my incorrect CSD tagging. After some consideration, I have decided that I will disable Twinkle for now since it is very tempting to "Random Page" around looking to speedy delete things. On a related note, I will spend some time adding citations to General Walker Hotel. Thank you for your time. Have a great day!

by Kevin12cd Talk to me This was posted at 00:32, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

That's a very sensible and level-headed decision, for which I commend you. It's easy enough to turn back on if you want to use it in the future. I look forward to seeing what you can do with the hotel - don't forget to look for sources under "Hotel Platterhof" as well.

On another note (and I'm truly sorry to have to keep throwing wiki-rules at you), please could you remove the File:Wiki.png from your signature - the guidelines specifically prohibit using images in signatures. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:26, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Voltage_controller

Hi Mr Yunshui, I have created this page Voltage_controller please have a look and give me a review on things to improve or being corrected and how to make it a GA if possible. I take your suggestion never going to see things in AFC was really bad idea, and beleive science is less complicated than philosophy to right article!! Shrikanthv (talk) 09:36, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

That's fabulous! I've very impressed at first glance; the subject is clearly notable, there's a nice range of references to good sources, the text is coherent (if a little over my head, electronics is not a field I know much about) and it looks nice, expecially since you've included some images. My immediate ideas for expansion would be: more information regarding practical applications (as a lay reader, I want to know why converting a fixed AC supply to a variable voltage is useful); something of the device's history (who invented it, how was it developed?); change the format of the Applications section from a headed list to a bulleted list; add some categories; and stick a {{WikiProject Electronics}} template on the talkpage, to attract that project's attention and get some more editors involved. I wouldn't head for a GA just yet - the article needs quite a bit of work to get to that stage - but it's not an inconceivable goal. In the interim, see if you can work the article up sufficiently for a Did you know? hook. You've done a really great job with this, well done. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:53, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK ? can you guide me through this ? Mr Yunshui ? Shrikanthv (talk) 15:07, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

It's fairly complex, I'm afraid, and I'm going offline in a few moments - start by having a read of the eligibility criteria, and work on the article so that it meets them. I'll take a look tomorrow and put together a nomination if it's appropriate. Once more, very good work! Yunshui 雲‍水 15:13, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Mr Yushui, Have made last minute revision and checks please have a look at it know, I thank you for all the support and guidance and i see that i am fine at creating article than destroying them Shrikanthv (talk) 07:38, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I've done a bit of copyediting on the article, and put a nomination forth at Template:Did you know nominations/Voltage controller. The hook isn't ideal - if you can think of a more catchy fact then please feel free to suggest an alternative. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

A quick question about afd

Hi! I was wondering say if there was an afd like this one[19] which met the criteria for a speedy delete, is it appropriate to nominate it through speedy delete rather than let the afd sit there for days until someone closes it? Or just leave it there and wait for general consensus? Thank you! Dengero (talk) 14:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

As long as you leave the AFD template in place (so that the deleting admin can easily see that there's an AFD to close as well) there's no reason not to add a CSD tag to such an article; I've done it many a time. If it's a genuine candidate under the (fairly restrictive) criteria for speedy deletion, it should be tagged as such, regardless of any PROD or AFD templates in place at the time. It's also a good idea to suggest speedy deletion at the AFD discussion as well (as you did). Yunshui 雲‍水 14:32, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Login problem

Hi Yun. A friend of mine (User:CHCS06) has been trying to login but has forgotten his password and when he tries 'forgotten login details' he gets the message that he can't do that because the IP is blocked ("to prevent abuse" the page says). Any suggestions? Your friendly Wikipedia prefect :) - (I can haz Cheezburger?) 14:37, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

The easiest (if not the quickest) solution is for him to try logging on from his home computer this evening, and retrieve his password then. Because the school's IPs (most of them, at any rate) are blocked, he'll have trouble trying to get his password back from school (although if he remembers/retrieves it, he should have no problem logging on as a registered user). I'll have a poke about and see if I can find a good alternative, but I don't currently know of one, short of unblocking all the school IPs temporarily (which wouldn't go down at all well...). Yunshui 雲‍水 14:43, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Francophonie&Androphilie (talk · contribs · logs)

You have granted Francophonie&Androphilie (talk · contribs · logs) confirmed right on 6 November 2012. Now that he became autoconfirmed, this right is redundant. Could you remove it? Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homonculus} 17:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Armbrust. I've had a good look through the relevent policies, but I can't see anything to suggest that we habitually revoke the Confirmed right after a user reaches autoconfirmed status (although as you point out, it's effectively redundant). F&A seems quite proud of being confirmed, and since I'm not aware (at present) of any policy to the contrary, I'm inclined to leave it in place just to keep him happy. However, if you know of a policy, guideline or consensus that suggests confirmed rights should be removed after autoconfirmation, please point me at it and I'll happily oblige. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 09:05, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind, already done by Gfoley4 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Armbrust ^{The Homonculus} 13:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

In My City

Thanks for the full-protection Yunshui. I was just in the process of raising an ANI myself, glad I checked my watchlist before pressing save. :) Yes I do agree things were not going as expected, but I did not realize that 3RR had been crossed so I apologize for that. I thought that better explaining it on the user's talk page would see the desired effect but I guess it did not. Oh well, part of life. Thanks again. :) —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 12:21, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Page deletion by you.

A page added about Accord Institute for Education by another employee seems like deleted by you. Not knowing how to restore it, as the IT coordinator of the company, I attempt to recreate a new one. Now, I got this message saying that I need to contact you. I would like to follow right steps in doing this. We are no longer interested in the content of the previous submission. Please disregard it and review my current content if it violates anything or need revisions. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akif5353 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Since the previous submission was a copyright violation, it's nice to hear that you're planning on redoing the text. However, please note that you are editing under a conflict of interest, which is strongly discouraged, and you should read both the conflict of interest guidelines and the FAQ for companies and organisations very closely before proceeding. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:36, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your timely response. I'm aware of my conflict of interest. Please note that I'm disclosing it clearly. I will do minimum posting with materials that are not questionable, not biased and factful with references.Please let me know how to recover my recent posting and proceed. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akif5353 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

A question

Regarding the IP I reported at ANI for harassing/threatening Mr.choppers, how do I go about creating an SPI when I don't know who any of the other socks might be? AutomaticStrikeout 22:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

With difficulty... I'm not sure it's even possible. I'd suggest asking a seasoned SPI admin like Dennis Brown (he's my usual go-to guru for SPI and checkuser issues) or Elen of the Roads. You could also ask Mr.choppers himself if he has any ideas, and, more importantly, diffs. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I have taken it to Dennis. Thanks for your input. AutomaticStrikeout 22:55, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry not to have been more help. Yunshui 雲‍水 23:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

That's ok. You did take care of the IP. AutomaticStrikeout 23:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

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hi brother, ant task for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassam-ud-din (talk • contribs) 20:06, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Resubmitting an article you deleted because of G12

Hello Yunshui,

I would like to resubmit a page that you deleted on 11/1/12 because of G12 copyright infringment. The page is Articles for creation/Gary McSpadden. I placed a CC-BY-SA license underneath the article about Gary McSpadden on his website at http://www.faithworksnow.com/about.html. I'm hopeful this is all I need to resubmit the article.

Do I just create a new article or do you undelete it somehow?

Thanks!

Ccvid (talk) 18:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

The CC-BY-SA licence does allow Wikipedia (and annyone else) to reuse the text, so thank you for that. However, the licencing is only part of the problem - the text on Mr McSpadden's web bio is non-neutral, promotional soapboxing, and as such is inappropriate for inclusion here. Whilst Mr McSpadden may have received sufficient independent coverage to meet the inclusion criteria, any article written about him would need to be written from scratch in a neutral and encyclopedic voice. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I recreated it with more barebone facts. I can pull more information, but this is a start. Can you see what you think? It's in my sandbox at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ccvid/sandbox Ccvid (talk) 22:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) at first glance, it still appears pretty obviously that you have not met WP:N as explained by WP:42. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Pretty close, though. The Texas Gospel Music Hall of Fame entry looks, at a cursory glance, to meet the sourcing requirements; I'm less sure about the Southern Gospel History site (it looks as though they solicit information from users, which would cause it to fall foul of the reliable sources guideline). A hunt through Google Books gave me this and this, and it looks as though he gets a mention in the Encyclopedia of American Gospel Music (although page 201, which appears to be his entry, is unavailable in Google Preview). Plus there are chunks of usable biography here and here (first person, so don't count towards notability). Google News search results has mostly concert listings, but there are a couple of usable sources there (the Lakeland Ledger one is worth including). There's definitely enough out there to put together a well-sourced, neutral article that meets the notability requirements. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of Kewal Dheer page, an eminent Indian author

Hi Yunshui

I added a page of Indian Literary personality Mr. Kewal Dheer, the material was provided by him self. That was also added on his website too. but after my addition on wikipedia it was deleted by referencing the same website of his own. kindly allow it, as it was not a case of copy of material.

Best regards

Fahad Hameed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masriffa (talk • contribs) 06:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

If the material was copied from Mr Dheer's website, you will need to ask him to follow the instructions at this page in order to donate it. However, the text as it stand is unsuitable anyway - a huge list of publications with a short and unverified biography is not an appropriate Wikipedia article, and if you recreated it in the same form it would likely be deleted as unsourced and excessively promotional. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Yunshui. 120% is causing some weird spacing between your last line perhaps, can you reduce it if possible? Cheers. TheSpecialUser ^TSU 13:50, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Random text to fill space on previous line.

How's this? Yunshui 雲‍水 13:53, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Perfect! TheSpecialUser ^TSU 13:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Another question

Hi again! Another question about speedies. When tagging pages like Six String Crossing, - or here just in case the former has been deleted already when you read this- how do I give it a multiple db notice? (G12, with webpage link in this case) I've been using twinkle all these years, which only allows 1 tag, and the manual on multiple speedy tags[20] wasn't very useful. Thank you again! (feel free to edit my sandbox to demonstrate practically if you like). Dengero (talk) 14:10, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

When you select CSD from Twinkle, the pop-up window with the various deletion criteria has a tick box at the top - "Tag with multiple criteria". Tick that, and then select however many tags apply. If you choose G12, then you'll be prompted for a URL after you finish tagging. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

(Needless to say, I also deleted the page...) Yunshui 雲‍水 14:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

And your sandbox - still a copyvio, even if it's not in article space. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh wow. The unlimited amount of awkwardness here. Thank you so much! *trys to avert judging eyes*. And yeah tyty, it was the sandbox anyway. Dengero (talk) 14:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

No judgemental eyes here; it took me a while to figure out when I first started using Twinkle. Useful to have it flagged up; I'll add a note about multiples to my Twinkle cheatsheet. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Please understand me sir

Hello sir, I'm not against IndianBio but I'm against that phrase which says that "seeing other artists her team decided to plan emotional campaigns." it doesn't make sense that why a label will see other artists as they had always promote with same strategy.Also, if you see other song article which directly say that .The particular artist performed at particular venue.They don't say that their team decided to organize a performance after seeing other artist.This is quite wrong.Also,video count is not commerce,he added views count in commercial performance.I gave explanations with every edit.Aldo,his promotion section says that Mr. Someone feels that her label team wants the artist to make her songwriter.???? Does this is called promotion.History of teams thought,that he thought this,he planned this is not promotion.you should look at this and decide what's wrong and right.(Pks1142 (talk) 12:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)) Respect

Pks1142, I apologise, but I've read and re-read your comment above and I really have no idea what you are trying to say. I don't personally have much interest in popular music, and I have no stake in what text is or is not included in the In My City article; what I do care about is that fact that you are removing sourced text without a coherent explanation, and have repeatedly filed inappropriate reports and incorrect vandalism warnings regarding another user. Your behaviour, not the content of the article, is becoming the problem here.

I would strongly recommend that you do one or more of the following:

• Avoid editing the article In My City any further. Instead, confine yourself to discussing and suggesting content on the talkpage there. Read some of the policies that are being linked to - you clearly don't have a good understanding yet of how Wikipedia works.
• Look at the list of adopters/mentors available and consider asking one of them to help you with your editing. This has been suggested at ANI, and is probably a very sensible idea. For the record, although I'm on that list, I'm pretty much up to my limit with adoptees - if you were thinking of asking me, probably don't.
• Edit something else. The world isn't going to end because some information that you disagree with has remained in the article.
• Engage in dispute resolution. Since it's primarily just the two of you involved in this edit war, you could probably use some help from a neutral party.

Yunshui 雲‍水 13:16, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

My request for rollback

I just want to point out that in all those edits you linked to, I was reverting an IP-hopping edit warrior. See this ANI thread and this one too. Hot Stop (Edits) 13:42, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Point taken. Using the Twinkle rollback feature with an edit summary might have been more appropriate, but still. I'll re-review and get back to you shortly. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:44, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. (and I forgot the original thread on ANI) Hot Stop (Edits) 13:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

My apologies, you do clearly know your stuff. Rollback duly granted. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:49, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you. Hot Stop (Edits) 22:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Dr. Huesan Tran

FYI: I edit-conflicted with your block this morning, feeling slightly sympathetic with an obviously confused newbie, and writing an explanation of copyright and why WP was not for that sort of stuff anyway. However my sympathy wanes when up pops Arjay superman (talk · contribs) and posts that promotional fluff again. (I like the sound of the New Financial Paradise™, though!) This account is actually two days old, not created in response to your block, but I have blocked it anyway - clearly a meatpuppet if not actually the same person. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:10, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I was most impressed with the time you took explaining the issues - it was very thoughtful of you. Hopefully the message has gotten through. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:23, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello

I really don't wanna disturb you but if this is not personal attack i don't know what is. And what do I do in cases like these? What do you suggest? —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 17:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You did one of the two right things, either bringing it to an administrator's attention, or taking it to the Administrator's Noticeboard/Incidents with diffs. If Yunshui cannot take care of it (which I am sure he can), then that would be the next logical place to go. (Non-administrator comment), this looks pretty much like a blatant personal attack to me.. "mental" etc. gwickwire | Leave a message 22:56, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Yunshui I would really like to have your input on the still ongoing removals by User:Pks1142 from the article "In My City", without discussions even when asked to do so many times. This seriously looks like a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT pushing agenda in an article, where in any negative content pertaining to Chopra is being removed. Or any scope of expansion. This is seriously getting WP:OWN like. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 08:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you know, I left some suggestions at Pks1142's talk page explaining why the RFC is in place, why such deleting without consensus is inappropriate and in order to help him/her better himself, I adviced to get enrolled in WP:ADOPT. Hope I did fine. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 10:08, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Apologies for the delayed response, I've been ill for the last week or so. Dennis Brown's protection of the article should hopefully allow some scope for discussion by other editors, as will the RfC. The failure to assume good faith - on both Pks1142's part and your own - has led to a point where I can't see either of you interacting well with the other; I would suggest you both leave the article as is for now and let other editors who haven't been involved with this conflict sort it out. It's not the end of the world if you have to leave In My City and edit something else for a bit. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

By the way, you keep referring to WP:IDONTLIKEIT, which is actually an argument to be avoided in AFD discussions, not content disputes - I think you mean WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT, a slightly different essay. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Yunshi. I see you declined my CSD G4. However, this article has a history. It was already deleted per a AfD. None of the many refs at that time added up to notability, and the new refs are like the others: scraping the barrel for every web site that simply mentions her name, and then some that are fake links. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll take another look at it. I hadn't noticed that it was you who placed the tag - out of pure personal curiousity, what prevented you from just going straight ahead and deleting it yourself? Yunshui 雲‍水 07:48, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you're right; the sources have been rejigged and renamed, but there's nothing new here; certainly nothing that negates the arguments put forward at AFD. I have deleted it accordingly. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:03, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I know it's CSD but I can't figure which criteria

Hi Yun.

I picked up an article recently Sonic X Universe ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sonic_X_Universe ) that is hitting several CSD qualifying rules, however when I checked Twinkle it seemed to be missing the deletion for 'TV Series' on A7 (unless i've missed something), I know it's CSD because it's got no sources. Can you please shed some light on which CSD Criteria it hits? Thank you. MIVP - (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) Allow us to be of assistance to you 01:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

That's not quite how CSD works - absence of sources isn't a CSD issue. In order to be eligible for speedy deletion (as opposed to just being elegible for deletion generally), an article has to meet the very specific requirements at Criteria for speedy deletion. Criterion A7, for example, doesn't apply to TV series, which is why Twinkle doesn't have that option.

As it stands, the article has now been converted to a redirect to List of Sonic the Hedgehog video game characters, which is pretty appropriate. In its previous incarnation, though, it would not have met any of the CSD requiremnts; even A10 (duplication of another article) wouldn't have been correct, since it only applies to recently created articles. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:46, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Yunshui, how are you doing? Could you please provide me access to AutoWikiBrowser. I want to check some grammatical errors on India related articles. I have also requested for AWB on the permission page but the permission page has backlogs and I also waited for the reply there since 2 November. Torreslfchero (talk) 12:16, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

It does seem a bit backlogged; I'll take a look at some of the other requests there too. You, however, are now AWP authorised. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Torreslfchero (talk) 12:52, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Enjoy! Yunshui 雲‍水 12:53, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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Joanna Clapps Herman

I added many more sources, I was wondering why you deleted it? Srdemuro (talk) 20:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

See the thread higher on this page. There are no sources in the version I deleted that do not appear in the version deleted at AFD. You have moved them around and renamed them somewhat, which fooled me at first glance into removing the G4, but on closer investigation it seems there are no new sources there at all. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:15, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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Thine Antique Pen (talk) 15:32, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

AWB Approval

Hey Yunshui, it looks like you granted me permission to use AWB on the access request page, but it doesn't look like my name ended up on the approved username list. Regards, --Slazenger (Contact Me) 16:01, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

That  Done was actually for AussieLegend's alternate account - but I see no reason not to grant you the permission as well, so I have. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

hi

hi my page has been deleted. please help me with it. i m really confused.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nilesh sahay (talk • contribs) 09:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

The page was deleted because you do not appear to meet basic inclusion requirements for a Wikipedia article. In addition, you have a severe conflict of interest in creating this page, and should not recreate it - we strongly discourage the writing of autobiographies. If you would like to make edits in other areas of Wikipedia you are most welcome, but if your only purpose here is to create an article about yourself, you should consider an alternative outlet instead. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:35, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of Article

Respected Sir i wanted to know why was the page deleted and also what do i need to add in order to keep the same page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.125.13.47 (talk) 10:17, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Is this Nilesh Sahay again? If so, then the short answer is - please don't create an autobiography. If you meet Wikipedia's notability requirements, then someone will write an article about you sooner or later. You should not be the person to do so, since you have an insurmountable conflict of interest regarding the article. Consider making a request at WP:Requested articles instead. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) See: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nilesh sahay.--Shirt58 (talk) 10:36, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

For the sake of a quiet life (ha!) I've created a sourced and unbiased stub article at Nilesh Sahay - after doing some digging, I've concluded that there's enough out there to meet the basic notability requirement. I'll leave the SPI for another admin to resolve, but thanks for bringing it to my attention. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

And I'm working on the article, even as we speak.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:11, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Good stuff. Also, kudos for managing to work a Jacobean play into an edit summary... Yunshui 雲‍水 11:15, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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Dear Yunshui, Thanks for justice you have made. Please take care of pages including the page of Mukhlesur Rahman Chowdhury as some enemies do vandalism there. Best, ₧ The Prekshit