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May 26

Pirate costume

Does the stereotypical pirate costume have any historical basis? Not so much the eye patch and peg leg (because I'm sure lots of real pirates lost eyes and feet in skirmishes, etc.), but I'm more talking about the pirate hat and pirate costume and all the ruffly shirts. Did pirates really dress like that? If not, where does that style of clothing come from?--Jerk of Thrones (talk) 10:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Blackbeard#Blackbeard has a description of Edward Teach (Blackbeard) given by various figures who encountered or reported on him, describing

...a "tall spare man with a very black beard which he wore very long". It is the first recorded account of Teach's appearance and is the source of his cognomen, Blackbeard. Later descriptions mention that his thick black beard was braided into pigtails, sometimes tied in with small coloured ribbons....Teach was tall, with broad shoulders. He wore knee-length boots and dark clothing, topped with a wide hat and sometimes a long coat of brightly coloured silk or velvet. Johnson also described Teach in times of battle as wearing "a sling over his shoulders, with three brace of pistols, hanging in holsters like bandoliers; and stuck lighted matches under his hat", the latter apparently to emphasise the fearsome appearance he wished to present to his enemies.

Thanks! those are some amusing illustrations, and they do look very much like the pirate Halloween costumes of today.--Jerk of Thrones (talk) 22:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

There are some engravings in the article as well, though all seem to date to a period at least a few years after his death. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:37, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Note that the tricorn hat, knee-length coat and breeches, as shown in the engravings, were almost universal wear for males in the early 18th century. See 1700–50 in Western fashion#Men's fashion Alansplodge (talk) 16:27, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

See also Pirates in popular culture.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:30, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd imagine you couldn't get a real picture of general pirate wear from reading what the most famous pirate wore, anymore than you can with famous landlubbers. Just a guess, but I'd imagine the 99% of pirates wore whatever was cheap and sufficient. Probably more than a few looked utterly repugnant. Google gave me this, if you'd like. Apparently I'm wrong about the cheap bit, which makes sense, now that I think about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:22, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Of course, there's the story of the lone child who, dressed as a pirate, went trick-or-treating one Halloween. "Oh, what a wonderful costume!" said his elderly neighbour. "But where are your buccaneers?" she asked. "Under my buckin' hat!" he replied. μηδείς (talk) 01:23, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

There are several web images available for Pittsburgh Pirates and the markedly less popular East Carolina Pirates ;-). ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 00:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Spaceport America

I was just wondering: why doesn't Spaceport America have an IATA or ICAO code? I'm aware that it will primarily be used for space flights, but the Shuttle Landing Facility, while it does not have an IATA code, it does have an ICAO code. Edwards Air Force Base has an IATA and an ICAO code despite being an airbase, while many airfields and airbases I've seen that don't have an IATA code have an ICAO code. I'm aware that the IATA code is mainly used for passenger-related stuff while the ICAO code is mainly used for airport operations, and that Spaceport America is still new and hasn't really started operations yet, but why doesn't it have at least an ICAO code? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Suppose the simple answer is that as yet no 'international' flights are planed so the spaceport needs neither. If it goes on to support sub-orbital passenger flights to say Spain – then it will probably need to come within the ICAO. --Aspro (talk) 17:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

But the Shuttle Landing Facility is not an international airport (airport of entry or AOE) and there are multiple airports around the world that are not AOE but have ICAO codes. Also there are AOE's that don't have ICAO codes. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 00:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I did say 'simple.' The SLF however, has an infrastructure (i.e., air traffic control for international scheduled passenger flights etc.,) that permits it to have an ICAO code which SPA does not. The SPA is solely for internal flights and things that go up.... and then come back down to the same place – hopefully in just one or two pieces.Aspro (talk) 13:52, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Notice too, it also has a weather station [1] which is another reason it can have an ICAO code. [2] shows that it has NOTAM – D services as well etc. Again more reasons. So it looks like that it is not the airstrip per se but the supporting infrastructure that has the code. The OP was just asking about SPA which has non of these things. It is does not have any contribution to international flight. Aspro (talk) 14:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Duplicate Bridge bidding question

What are the likely "correct bids" in the following situation using "standard American" systems? (I think there may be more than one "right" answer based on the Wikipedia convention articles)

You are south - west opens 1c, north passes, east bids 1d You hold: S AK 10 9, H AQ 10 8 2, D 10 2, C 10 2 I trust this is a sufficiently miscellaneous question. Thanks. Collect (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything wrong with your question, but wouldn't comments on a specific hand be better addressed to a Bridge forum? (That is, it's doubtful we have a reference that will answer such a question.) Perhaps bridge players here can recommend such a forum? I myself am a pinochlist. μηδείς (talk) 21:11, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I frequent this saloon. Cheers. Collect (talk) 23:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

That seems like an obvious "one heart" bid. I believe there is a convention in which a one heart opening has a special meaning, but I haven't encountered it. There may also be some convention or other where a 1NT bid could be used to indicate balance in both suits that have not been bid. But I think the great majority of American players would respond with 1H here. Looie496 (talk) 22:43, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Michaels is now "yellow card" ... but would it be applicable here, and then in diamonds or in clubs? Long shot is unusual notrump - for the unbid suits. Collect (talk) 23:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Double. You have the equivalent of an opening bid (which is too many points for an overcall), and would like your partner to mention a major. --DaHorsesMouth (talk) 17:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I come from an Auction Bridge tradition, but I concur that a 1H bid seems reasonable here. Your two opponents have each bid a weak open in your two weakest suits, and your partner passed. 1H gives your partner lots of opportunities to communicate with you, because you've still got 1S and 1NT left, and depending on what the others bid, will tell you a lot, and you can win a 1H bid outright quite easily. 1S is tempting, but a) if your partner is stronger in hearts, you force him up to 2H, and b) I only count 5 sure tricks in spades (AK Spades, A Hearts, two cuts, that queen of hearts is sketchy and possibly cut by someone else) while you've got at least 6 sure tricks on a heart bid (AQ hearts, 2 cuts, AK Spades). However, the scoring and thus bidding is a bit different in Auction Bridge, so YMMV. --Jayron32 18:40, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

By "auction" bridge, you mean rubber bridge, or maybe Chicago? Duplicate has an auction too.... The downside of 1H at rubber bridge or Chicago is that your hearts suit is kinda weak to play 1Hx. I only count four sure-ish tricks (two spades, the trump ace, and one long trump, because if an opponent had five hearts he'd likely have bid them). So you could be off 800 points with bad but not freakishly bad luck, and you could probably have beat a slam going the other way. In duplicate, especially matchpoints, that's not much of a consideration. --Trovatore (talk) 23:27, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

True, but if my partner has either the King or Jack of Hearts, we'd be fine. If I win the bid, he's laying out as the dummy, which gives me all the information I need: if he has neither I'm not in terrible shape because my opponents can't force me off all of my hearts. I'm only losing the King, and I'll probably be able to ditch the 2 on it; worst case I'll lose the ten to it; unless it goes J-Q-K, and then ten is boss. That still leaves the queen and/or ten as a winner and two other hearts as cutters. My only risk is losing on over cuts, which is a distinct possibility. I'm still winning AK of spades and counting on the partner for one trick. If he's got nothing, we're probably not stopping anything anyways, and I'd rather go down shooting... --Jayron32 06:13, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

"Over cuts" equals finesses? I wouldn't count on two spades as one might get ruffed in the short opponent's hand. Anyway I agree it's not really a huge risk — in contemporary bidding systems it's hard to double a one-bid for penalties, and if it does happen, at matchpoints it's just one bottom, so so what? But I'm not sure what the upside is. A 1H bid or a double has almost no obstructive value, and unless you find partner with a freakish fit you're never going to make game. You might as well try to set the opponents. Defense is more fun anyway. --Trovatore (talk) 08:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Oops — I see we have an article on auction bridge. It does also occur to me that a double has a similar problem. You might not want to defend 1D redoubled (not an easy contract for the opponents to reach, but the time you count on that, they probably will :-) ). It's not game, but redoubled vulnerable overtricks are 400 apiece. Honestly, if I'm red-on-white, I think I just shut up, whether at rubber bridge or at duplicate. No plausible bid has any significant nuisance value to the opponents; it'll probably just help them play the hand. --Trovatore (talk) 01:37, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd also go with Double. But I've never played Bridge with an American and have no idea what would be standard there. If your partner has little to offer, which is quite likely, and your opponents win the auction, which is even more likely, you've given little information to declarer as to where the missing points are. While they can, of course, guess, using the same information, a 1H bid from you strongly tips them the wink about the length and strength of your suit, while Double could mean you have the points, but perhaps as a [tactically weak] doubleton. --Dweller (talk) 21:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

May 27

Leadership

What's the best way to get leadership experience if your previous leadership experience is limited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clover345 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

That is a hopelessly vague question, incapable of being responded to in any useful way. Please confine any future questions to matters where a sensible response can be expected. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:02, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, very vague. But somewhat answerable. The OP needs to seek out leadership situations, at any type of level. The more experience he gets, the better he'll get at it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:29, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

In which sort of area of human endeavor is the capacity for leadership sought? Bus stop (talk) 01:39, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

A lot of civic clubs provide these sorts of opportunities and look good on a resume. Such organizations as the Jaycees, Rotary, Habitat for Humanity etc. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 10:02, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

And in the same vein, voluntary youth leadership. Many organizations will give formal leadership training too. Leading adults can be different to leading children or teenagers, but there are many transferable skills. Alansplodge (talk) 11:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

The United States Marine Corps trains its members in leadership as do many other military organizations. Edison (talk) 18:15, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

There's an article on Leadership and there's various other various other related articles. Once you realize people generally want to be given things to do it isn't too hard. The main difficulty a person who has any social sense has is that sometimes you have to do things you'd prefer somebody else had to do instead. Dmcq (talk) 10:22, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The charity and voluntary sector is an excellent place to develop these skills. Approach some local not-for-profit organisations in your [nearest] town or city and offer your time and effort, explaining that you're looking for opportunities to gain experience of leadership in return. --Dweller (talk) 20:56, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Cutting out images of ex-husband from photos post-divorce

Many divorcées have the habit of cutting out images of the ex-husband from photos. I think that this is a prevalent enough phenomenon that there would be some psychological or sociological research done in this area, I'm wondering if there's a technical term for this that'll help me find more info on this topic? I suppose it is somewhat similar to Damnatio memoriae. Thank you in advance! --108.48.23.190 (talk) 02:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Could be a sign of Misandry, but I'm uncertain that is a listed disorder. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 10:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Denial? I'm not sure it's really that prevalent, though Photoshop makes it easier.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I think you're begging the question, really—is there evidence that "many divorcées" have this habit? Or is this just one of those Hollywood tropes that gets overused by lazy scriptwriters seeking a convenient visual metaphor? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Those "beautiful people" having scripted contrived clashes over mindless material non-issues with lighting and CGI trickery meant to induce a pseudo trance in its audience are fake? ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 19:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

It is just a practical solution to a photograph suggesting a relationship that is no longer applicable. I don't think the practice of cutting photographs lends itself to studies. I don't think there is complicated psychology involved. Bus stop (talk) 16:08, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

There could be a degree of passive-aggressive behavior, as it makes the trimmer feel better while falling well short of murder, for example. It's nothing new. I know of pictures a century old where a spouse is cut out of a picture (and not always the husband, either). ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

This sort of activity is an attempt to rewrite reality, like voluntarily becoming Winston Smith (who worked doing this in the 'Ministry of Truth') in Nineteen Eighty-Four or hiring the KGB to airbrush people out of your past. The hole in the picture itself is an even greater reminder of the unwelcome truth than would be leaving the photo untouched. μηδείς (talk) 20:49, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the great answers guys! I guess it may not be as common as I had thought. I suppose it could just be considered a form of denial or self-deception. --108.48.23.190 (talk) 23:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Glad to assist, but don't discount my blurb above, its more institutionally common then one might suspect. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 00:13, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

It's too bad that no one was able to actually provide you with an actual answer to your question—there's not a single reference to a published study in the entire lot. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd be surprised if any exist. I've had a good hunt around google, to no avail. Maybe we can assume good faith by assuming the earlier respondents also searched fruitlessly. It is a bit suss that nobody mentioned searching, but AGF is for situations where there is a lack of full knowledge. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 03:09, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I didn't assume bad faith; I only pointed out that there wasn't a proper reference provided anywhere. It would be a disservice to the OP to let him walk away with the impression that his question had actually received good answers. The problem is that lots of people gave responses based on guesses, mistaken understanding, or personal anecdotes, but nobody even mentioned research. It isn't a question of good or bad faith, but of WP:COMPETENCE—the responses above seem to have largely missed the point of a Reference Desk. If I wanted to be a little more pointed, I would note that, for example, Marketdiamond's mention (and link to) misandry is a howler; he wonders whether or not divorced women have some sort of pathological dislike of all men, and ponders whether or not it qualifies as a psychological disorder. Bus stop, meanwhile, gives up without searching, offering his guess while declaring that the question is too difficult for systematic study. Baseball Bugs comes up with some pop-psychology nonsense about passive-aggressive behavior. It's an embarrassing but typical result from today's Reference Desk; and every post from an editor with years of experience and who ought to know better. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:29, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The OP himself gave the technical term in his question, damnatio memorae. He didn't indicate that he knew there was a specific actual study and wanted only help finding that. Answers that point toward things like Censorship of images in the Soviet Union are quite relevant, and if the OP wants something else he can say so. But in this case his response was "Thanks for the great answers". That seems good all around as far as I can see. μηδείς (talk) 03:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure it was helpful and constructive for the OP to be able to draw a link between divorced women and Stalin. Well done, Ref Desk. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:30, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, to give a possible boost to your speculation disguised as a rhetorical question about it being "just one of those Hollywood tropes that gets overused by lazy scriptwriters seeking a convenient visual metaphor" see "Removed From the Picture". ---Sluzzelin talk 03:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The question wasn't rhetorical—I actually don't know whether the phenomenon in question is particularly prevalent in real life. (If we're going spelunking in TV Tropes, it could well be an instance of "Truth in Television".) My purely anecdotal experience is that the practice is vanishingly rare in real life, but I don't trust small values of n, and I was hoping that someone could actually locate suitable, relevant research to answer the question either way. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 12:41, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, Ten. I did try, but my google-fu failed me. More commonly mentioned than cutting out seem to be examples of scratching out faces on photographs, such as in the anthropologist Richard Chalfen's Snapshot Versions of Life (Wisconsin University Press, 1987). I'm not able to access the study, however, and all I got from the summary is "and even, in their darker moments, scratch out the faces of disliked relatives in group photographs". I have no idea how far Chalfen goes in his analysis, but it might be a start. ---Sluzzelin talk 14:09, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I can't imagine who in their right mind would fund a study focusing on such a trivial and obvious matter. The closest anyone might come would be a study of the kinds of things people do in connection with getting divorced. That would be a pretty long list, which could include defacing photos of their former loved ones. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:51, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

"Psychological or sociological research" is in my opinion is a fairly broad area. Might not this phenomenon fall under some other heading? How would we find information on this subject if it existed under some different heading unless we clarified the nature of this question? I think that dialogue with the person investigating an area of interest can bring related areas for investigation into focus. I liked the post that started this thread. I just wanted to clarify what questions we were working on. Bus stop (talk) 19:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes. A good term for that activity might be "passive revenge". Like unfriending someone on Facebook. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:56, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

US National Register of Historic Places

I've been poking about in the National Register of Historic Places. The entries have a "published" date but I've been unable to find an FAQ or anything that tells me what this is. Is it the date that the site was registered as historic? See here for the entry on the Golden Gate Bridge, or as they officially call it the San Francisco--Oakland Bay Bridge. I'm a bit surprised that it was only registered in 2001 and not much earlier than that. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 04:46, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

First that isn't the same bridge, the Golden Gate Bridge is very different from the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge, for one thing the Golden Gate takes you to Sausalito not Oakland. To answer the question however it is not unusual at all to have a structure that is only 70 years old finally be designated a national landmark, some very substantial items wait even longer. The Golden Gate Bridge appears not to be a "national" landmark but it is a city and state landmark. There are legal implications that go along with "landmark" status it is simply not just a label. There are some very deserving landmarks that choose not to be named on a national list because of restrictions and requirements on any kind of rehabilitation or reconstruction. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 10:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

The NRHP works with a "fifty-year rule," meaning that in most circumstances a place or structure has to be at least fifty years old (or associated with an event that happened more than fifty years ago). Exceptions happen - the Marin Civic Center was listed before fifty years had elapsed, but by the calendar the Bay Bridge didn't become eligible until 1986. I suspect Caltrans, which as owner, needed to give consent for listing, had some reservations about listing. The eventual listing was probably tied into the reconstruction of the east span and a requirement that the demolished portions be documented. Acroterion (talk) 15:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

It's a bit bizarre to designate the bridge as a "historic place", since they're currently midway through a project to rebuild virtually the entire thing. (The replacement for the east span is due to open in September.) Looie496 (talk) 01:56, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The west span is largely being left as-is, with the addition of retrofits. Visually, it's going to be pretty much unchanged. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:54, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OP, here's the FAQ you might have missed: http://www.nps.gov/nr/faq.htm --Lockley (talk) 08:23, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Idea for a New Service for Investors in the Stock Market

Note: I have removed this as it is incredibly long and essentially spam. Looie496 (talk) 06:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

What are some common jobs in Uruguay?

I am trying to find the jobs that the most PEOPLE do, not the largest INDUSTRIES. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwoodward48wiki (talk • contribs) 19:49, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

If your looking at a list of largest industries based on employment then you have your answer. Even if it is industry based on revenue or profit, those are roughly equivalent to employment as well, both direct and indirect, funny things happens when a company facility with a large payroll but even low employment locates to a place, all of a sudden dozens or hundreds of support industries pop right up. But yes the barber or waitress may not work as a computer programmer (i.e. silicon valley), but in large part their jobs depend on that industry. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 20:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Not unlike the United States, Uruguay's economy is dominated by the service sector. Here is a list of the most common jobs in the US, all of them in the service sector. Uruguay is likely to different in some ways partly because it is not as consumer driven an economy as the US, but retail employees, office workers and janitors/maids are still likely to be high on the list of most common jobs in there. --Daniel(talk) 21:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

If you have Flash in your browser and can read Spanish (neither of which applies to me) you can probably find some information at the 2011 Census page here: http://www.ine.gub.uy/censos2011/index.html . Jørgen (talk) 07:36, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The CIA says 13% agriculture, 14% industry and 73% services (2010). The World Bank says 68.1% services (2011). DOR (HK) (talk) 05:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

However, a breakdown of occupations is not the same thing as a breakdown of employment in industrial sectors. SOCs rather than SICs in UK/US parlance. The Uruguay national statistical service is at http://www.ine.gub.uy/ but I can't find either occupations or sectors at the moment, despite an adequate knowledge of Spanish. Uruguay has no equivalent of NOMIS unfortunately. Itsmejudith (talk) 08:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

The United States Car Company,1894

Need info on The United States Car Company,1894. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kusellim (talk • contribs) 22:51, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I titled this post for you, please remember to add == to the beginning and end of any query. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 23:14, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Googling the subject, I found a few scanty references, such as:[3] It seems that it was a company that built railroad cars. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Manufacturer of railroad cars, formed in 1892 (apparently) out of the remains of a company called the United States Rolling Stock Company, with the large industrial plant in Anniston, Alabama, including the largest rolling mill in the south; headquarters in Chicago and New York, works in Illinois, Alabama, and Ohio; went bankrupt in 1897 as a consequence of the great Panic of 1893, with assets acquired by a new entity called the Illinois Car and Equipment Company. Looie496 (talk) 01:46, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Just as context, OP, the U.S. railroad business in that period was rife with a lot of tricky corporate shell games: holding companies, mergers, consolidations, stock watering, like that. Whatever information you may find on this company name, take it with a grain of salt. --Lockley (talk) 08:33, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

May 28

Why is Memorial Day in the US on a different day from the rest of the English speaking world?

Almost every English speaking country has Rememberance Day on or near the 11th of November (the date WW1 ended), why is the US Memorial Day in May? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:33, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Don't confuse Memorial Day with Veterans Day. It's all explained in the first link. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:37, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The armistice in Europe was signed in November, the American Civil War ended in May.--Aspro (talk) 20:41, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

And the Decoration Day tradition (which was how Memorial Day originated) began around the first anniversary of the end of the Civil War. Obviously, long-predating WWI's Armistice Day. I would say that there's a distinction to be made: Decoration / Memorial Day is more about those who have died (in combat or otherwise), while Armistice / Veterans Day is more about the living. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:51, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I would disagree with you there. In Europe the focus of Armistice Day is to those that made the ultimate sacrifice. Here, Veterans day is every Friday night down the pub or local Royal British Legion.--Aspro (talk) 21:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm talking US. Sorry about the ambiguity. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Note also that the US had relatively little participation in WW1: 0.13% of population as deaths, contrasted with the UK (2%), France (4%), or Germany (4%). On the other hand, the US Civil War resulted in the deaths of about 2% of the population, so that's a good comparison for the scope of observation. Throw in that the US Civil War (and, by extension, US observance of Memorial Day) predates WW1 by 50 years, and it's not surprising that US custom differs from European (and here I commit the gross sin of equating "Commonwealth" with "European" -- but in this context, it works fairly well). — Lomn 20:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The poppies are still huge in Canada, too. Soccer and wine, not so much. Not sure of percentages, but 65,000 went "row on row". Not offended by your "gross sin", just saying. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:40, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

116,000 US dead in one year is not little relative to anything. μηδείς (talk) 21:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

• It's also worth noting that Memorial Day in the U.S. has become a big holiday largely because it marks the unofficial start of summer, just as Labor Day in the U.S. (ALSO celebrated on a different day than many other parts of the world, FWIW) marks the unofficial end of summer. But the historical reason for the name is noted above. The observance dates to a time in the U.S. earlier than other countries celebrated the November holiday, and while the November holiday is also celebrated in the U.S., it is known by a different name because Memorial Day was already associated with the end of May; our article notes the first use of the term to 1882, well before the end of WWI. --Jayron32 21:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Did the US and the various Euro countries not have an annual day of commemoration for those who fought or died in their wars prior to 1865 for the US and the end of WW2 for those across the pond? I know that in New York they celebrated the end of the American Revolution on the anniversary of day the British forces left New York City (Evacuation Day), a ceremony which has largely faded out. Edison (talk) 22:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

In Massachusetts, making her own Evacuation Day (when the British forces left Boston) into a holiday was an extremely handy way of getting Yankee Republicans and Irish Democrats to agree on a politically-popular move for both of them, since the date was March 17th, 1776! (Saint Patrick's Day). [However Evacuation Day (New York) was on November 25th, close to Thanksgiving.]. Years of moaning, complaint and budget shortages have finally, however, taken this so-called "hack holiday" away from most public workers (few private employers observing it), together with Patriots' Day (commemorating not 9/11/2001 but the Battles of Lexington and Concord on April 19th, 1775; the first verse of Paul Revere's Ride (1860) by Longfellow says " 'Twas the eighteenth of April of '75; Hardly a man is now alive, can remember that fateful day and year."). However the Monday celebrating the latter is still (if no longer a day off work for most) the date of the annual Boston Marathon; this year it was on Monday, April 15th. —— Shakescene (talk) 23:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

YouTube "professor" John Green makes the point (at 10:20) that World War I and the art of the Lost Generation changed war from glorious to something we should prevent. Before then, it seemed more common to celebrate victories than to mourn loss. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The British later adopted the curious practice of celebrating the aftermath of major defeats. Earlier, celebrating military foolhardiness was also popular. Neither of these produced a public holiday, though. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Australia genetically inherited a similar practice from the British. A failed action in a foreign land was the basis of a major annual national commemoration that rivals our official national day in status. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 03:12, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

One was the most successful retreat in history, the other a show of bravery and submission to duty worth commemoration for those who think bravery and duty (rather than, what? cowardice and dereliction?) are virtues. (BTW, I am not a fan of duty for duty sake, but I am a fan of virtuosity.) μηδείς (talk) 03:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Dunkirk is a heroic event, and certainly deserves celebration. The Charge of the Light Brigade was tragically heroic ("do and die"), as with Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:59, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

If riding into near-certain death is heroic and/or stupid, running into it while carrying a man is on another level. It's a shame most horses don't have names and generally can't communicate, but I hope there's a proper song, statue or minor holiday memorializing their determination and spirit, individually or at least collectively. Anybody know? InedibleHulk (talk) 01:13, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Somewhat answered my own question with the Recognition section of Horses in warfare. Go Drummer Boy! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:26, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify, there are no public holidays to remember the war dead in the UK; Remembrance Sunday was moved to a Sunday to avoid disruption to industry in 1945. Armistice Day was observed before WWII on 11 November, but there was no day off, everybody stopped at 11 am for two minutes and then continued with their jobs. Before that, the only major war commemorations were that the Army observed Waterloo Day, and the Navy Trafalgar Day, although these are celebrations of victory rather than remembrance of sacrifice. They didn't get the day off. Having purely professional armed forces before WWI, the view seems to be that it they knew what they were letting themselves in for. However, public sympathy for the common soldiery increased through the 19th century, and memorials to the war dead became more common after the Crimean War. Alansplodge (talk) 12:55, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

May 29

Are the Hindu goddesses Tataka and Kali one and the same?

Are the Hindu goddesses Tataka and Kali one in the same? Venustar84 (talk) 02:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

FYI, the phrase is "one and the same". You have apparently read the relevant articles, given you have (with all credit due you) linked them in your section header. The first is described as a princess turned demoness, the second only as divine. So, given there is almost no overlap between the two, and no mention of either in the other, is there some reason you believe they might be identical? (We should know if there is some external source you are aware of that implies this.) μηδείς (talk) 02:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Hindu mythology has a concept that a god or person can be an avatar of a god with different characteristics, as for example Rama and Krishna are avatars of Vishnu. So I think we can't rule out that some people consider Tataka an avatar of Kali -- but I can't spot any evidence for that. Looie496 (talk) 14:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't Kali repent being a destroyer goddess and Tataka does represent destruction as well? Venustar84 (talk) 21:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps, but drawing conclusions is not what we do here professionally. Perhaps someone can name a Hindu or Comparative Religion forum? μηδείς (talk) 00:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not asking for a professional answer. I'm asking the question for my personal interest and I'm not looking to add religious info in the Hindu article.

I couldn't find Tataka mentioned on Beliefnet, but I could find Kali. --TammyMoet (talk) 09:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC) Found her on Godchecker spelt differently. --TammyMoet (talk) 09:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Extending my question: Is there any where online I could buy a statue of Tataka? Venustar84 (talk) 05:14, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Airliner (not aircraft) identification

Saw a massive commercial airliner fly overhead a few days ago, four-engine, and I think it was a 747. But what I'm curious about is the paint job. The front half of the plane was all white, the rear fuselage and tail were all red. The red did not fill up the entirety of the bottom of the fuselage. Any ideas what airliner or cargo company this could be? – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 06:14, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Airline liveries and logos change all the time, but if you can tell us which airport you were near, it would help us to narrow it down.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

There are also a LOT of one-off paint jobs, either single planes under private ownership or special paint jobs from commercial carriers. Consider, if you will, the plane Bruce Dickinson flew for Iron Maiden on their Somewhere Back in Time World Tour. That's not the plane you're looking for, but it does show one example of a plane with a unique paint job. --Jayron32 12:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Was it anything like Shenzhen Airlines? Or was it really dead plain, with no lettering or other markings at all? - Karenjc 17:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC) As this demonstrates, the ratio of red to white can vary considerably between individual aircraft. - Karenjc 18:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Value of petroleum distillates produced globally

I'm after a breakdown of the total value of different petroleum distillates produced globally. By this I mean, say, what proportion by value produced is gasoline, what proportion kerosine and others.--Leon (talk) 07:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Here: [4] is a per-unit retail price of various petroleum distillates. If you can also find data for the total production of such products, you could fairly easy calculate this. --Jayron32 12:02, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

If...Does anyone know where to find total production figures?--Leon (talk) 12:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Here. There's menus where you can select each individual product, and where you can break down the analysis by region, country, or for the whole world. --Jayron32 13:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Two similar Acts

Is the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act the same as the "Patient's Rights Act 1980"?--Auric talk 17:00, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Departure taxes in non-native currency

Many countries ask a departure tax (or similar tax) be paid before a visitor is allowed to leave. However, I find it rather odd that many demand this is paid in cash (rather then credit card) and some insist it is paid in another currency - for example, when leaving Suriname one must pay $66 or €52. It cannot be paid in Surinamese dollars. So what happens if you are willing to pay the tax but are unable to do so, either because you have no cash left or you don't have the right currency? Astronaut (talk) 19:06, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

You may miss your flight and have some trouble. Go to an ATM or a currency exchange and get some.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

ATM? How could you get US dollars or Euros from a Surinamese ATM? -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:14, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

You'd be surprised in some countries, but a subsequent trip to a money exchange may be necessary. You would not be the first tourist to be in that situation, to say nothing of the usual trade.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:11, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Is that something that's known ahead of time, or is it a surprise they pull on you as you're waiting for your flight? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I think it's mentioned in the fine print on airline tickets. I guess it comes as a surprise to some. A lot of places collect it as part of your air ticket out.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:11, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The whole point of this sort of tax is to extract some hard currency from travelers (hence the decision to demand payment in something other than the - likely worthless - local currency). Like a casino, local authorities make it easy for you to part with your money, either by positioning hard currency ATM's or currency exchange booths in the vicinity of where the tax is collected (although there are countries that are so incompetent at collecting taxes, or airports that are so disorganized, that you can't withdraw the required sum at the airport). The point is not to make you miss your flight, it's to collect cash from a captive audience. Paying in cash makes it a bit easier to fudge about the actual amount that has been collected. Of course, most regular businesses prefer electronic payments, as the risk of fraud is less, and the cost of handling a lot of cash is higher, but the purpose of such taxes has little to do with running an efficient business. Also, a competent travel agent will clearly warn you about such taxes, as will travel guides and any travel advisory site, but you can get a nasty surprise if you bought your ticket directly on the internet and did not check into this. --Xuxl (talk) 10:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

It's not just departure taxes, stuff like visas too. Recently did some travelling in East Africa, and all the visas are in US dollars, or maybe if they're being nice GBP. There would not be any point for most lesser developed countries to charge these in their currency, as probably one of the main sources of foreign hard currency is tourism, likely after natural resource trade. And yes, it is indeed possible to get foreign currency at ATMs in many countries, I have done so myself. Fgf10 (talk) 11:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I recall in Vancouver not too long ago (2008?) a cash impost as an "airport development fee". You had to put money into a machine or pay at a booth to get a receipt you had to show at departure. These days, I think it's collected by the airline.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:10, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

My experience in Tanzania when I was surprised by (and unprepared for) this tax was that they were willing to take Tanzanian shillings, but at a hugely disadvantageous exchange rate (something like 50% worse than at a bank). The policy will vary by country. The smart thing is to be aware that these taxes exist and to research whether they exist and their terms in a country before traveling there so that you are prepared. Marco polo (talk) 17:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if it would be possible to make a case (before a suitable international tribunal) that these types of "taxes" are nothing more than extortion/ransoms - the authorities in those countries are effectively holding foreign visitors hostage. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:17, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

And what would a suitable international tribunal be ? The World Trade Organization? You'd have to prove this consists an unfair restriction on trade, and you'd have to have to standing to complain (in the WTO, I believe only states can launch complaints); the various international human rights courts have more important matters to deal with, and you'd have to prove this constitutes a violation of international human rights instruments anyway, so that avenue's closed as well. By the way, those types of taxes often also apply to locals (there may be ways around paying them for some privileged ones), so the argument of unfairness does not easily apply. --Xuxl (talk) 12:58, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

linguaphilia

Is it possible to be sexually attracted to languages? --66.190.69.246 (talk) 23:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean like men getting erections at the sound of a certain language? People often fuck up their own language, and have an ever greater propensity to do so with other languages. But I'm sure that's not what you mean. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 00:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

See Rule 34. --Jayron32 00:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

"I love it when you speak French!" Looie496 (talk) 00:18, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Do you speak Italian...It's such an ugly language. How about Russian?. μηδείς (talk) 00:35, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

To the OP: Languages are concepts that are only observable through ink letters on a piece paper or vibrations of the air that is coming our of someone's mouth, so unless you are thinking having sex with a book, or with air vibrations, no. But it is possible to be sexually attracted to someone who speaks one (or more) language(s). --Lgriot (talk) 08:40, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I dunno. A good alveolar trill can really help a hummer enunciate. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:34, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

May 30

Joan of Arc

How many times in all was Joan of Arc wounded in battle, and where exactly/with what weapons? The article mentions three times she was wounded -- an arrow to the neck, a glancing blow with a cannonball to the head, and another arrow to the leg, but I'm sure she must have been wounded more times than that, given her aggressive, lead-from-the-front tactics. (In case you want to know why I ask, it's for a novel -- my heroine Blanche will have a lot in common with Joan of Arc, and I want to further the parallel by having her wounded in the exact same places -- but with bullets rather than arrows, because my story takes place in occupied France during World War 2.) Thanks in advance! 24.23.196.85 (talk) 00:37, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm surprised anyone could survive even a glancing blow to the head from a cannon ball, unless it was at extreme range and had basically bounced until it had little velocity. Edison (talk) 04:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, in 1430 extreme range was pretty much anything beyond the mouth of the cannon. Plus she would probably have been wearing a steel helmet. Looie496 (talk) 05:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I found this, this and this, but no mention of a 4th or 5th wound. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 10:24, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

A translation of the trial records can be found at the Internet Medieval Sourcebook. Everyone seems to mention that she was injured by an arrow or crossbow in the neck (or between the neck and the shoulder, or in the chest), but I haven't found the other injuries yet...apparently she was knocked off a ladder by a stone or a cannonball (or a stone being used as a cannonball), and had a thigh injury, and jumped out of a tower once. I assume all the information about her injuries is in the trial records somewhere. Adam Bishop (talk) 10:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

fanny pack for men

Is it fashionable for men to wear fanny packs? --Yoglti (talk) 06:14, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

It would be considered very odd in many parts of the UK, but I assume you are asking about the USA (and the US meaning). Dbfirs 06:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Twenty years ago among yuppies, metrosexuals, and the eurofabulous. Almost all of these people have been killed in muggings or gotten jobs in Bloomberg. The lucky few are still voluntarily committed. Never wear one! Head the warnings! μηδείς (talk) 06:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

For a man in a wheelchair, they are perfect: secure, accessible and the right size for everything important. Just don't call it a "fanny pack" in the U.K. Bielle (talk) 06:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Or Australia. HiLo48 (talk) 07:31, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Or New Zealand, South Africa, India... in fact anywhere outside of North America - "fanny" has an entirely different meaning. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:37, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I think it became fashionable about the time women wearing ties & pants became ok. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 07:06, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

There's nothing in our article on fanny packs to suggest that they even existed at the time of the irrelevant stories you've linked to. AlexTiefling (talk) 07:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

There's nothing in our article on fanny packs to suggest that they were non-existent then, but did enjoy the irrelevant comments you've winked to. If this was a serious concern, I did run a seconds old google search that returns this from April 1980, apparently already a well known phrase that relevantly furthers my notion of year-to-year causality. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 08:55, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

That's quite incoherent. You may want to try re-phrasing it. But then this is a rather silly thread, so you may not want to waste your time on it. AlexTiefling (talk) 09:52, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Re-phrase what you said? It sounds different when you say it? Besides if what you refer to as silly threads were useless I wouldn't have learned Washingtonians used the phrase "fanny pack" in the 1970s. It's cool thou, I always try to re-read posts to avoid labeling them incoherent. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 10:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I think that they are called 'Bum Bags' in the uk85.211.151.84 (talk) 09:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

That's right. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 09:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Because of course, fanny means something completely different to us. Alansplodge (talk) 17:40, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

God, yer pervs. μηδείς (talk) 20:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

• They're very useful for hiking or trail running, or even bicycling, because they let you carry a modest amount of stuff without making your back sweat. (For these purposes, they are always worn on the rear.) Unfortunately they're absurdly expensive. Looie496 (talk) 20:54, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

• They're not really "fashionable" nowadays (and they don't have to be); But they're very practical for men, especially in hot climate when one doesn't wear a jacket. Some (mostly younger people) might see it as funny but who cares? Consider using a male purse in public in a rural area :)
  Anyway, that's my experience as a longtime "Fanny pack" user (for any occasion).TMCk (talk) 21:52, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Fine to wear, but a little awkward if you're going running. You could wear a long shirt if you're embarrassed to be seen wearing it. I always thought they were called "fanny packs" because they were worn 'round the front .--Auric talk 13:14, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Automatic car

For 25 years I have been driving automatic cars using my right foot on the throttle and left foot for braking. My wife says this is wrong and I should not use my left foot at all, but cannot explain why. Is she right, and if so why please?85.211.151.84 (talk) 07:35, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

This "rule" dates from a time when all cars had a clutch, which had to be operated with the left foot. Since the brake and accelerator rarely need to be used together, it makes sense to use the same foot for both those pedals. That way you could also drive automatic cars using the right foot in the same way without having to adapt. But if you have been driving that way for 25 years and don't drive manual cars, there is no reason to change.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Seems like this LA Times reporter called the Feds, the state of California, NASCAR, UM and many other "experts" to find an answer to this, very interesting that he discovered the Porsche Cayenne actually cuts engine power automatically if you use both feet. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 09:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Your wife is right - it is a really bad idea because in a stressfull situation, such as an impending collision, you could easily press both at the same time as you instinctively tense your whole body to brace for the impact. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

And unless he's naturally left-footed, he would have finer-grained control of the brake pedal with his right foot. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:17, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Which would probably be mitigated by 25 years' experience doing it, but it's a good point. I've found a couple of articles on the subject The first two say the left foot should not be used to brake in ordinary driving because the left foot serves as a brace as the car decelerates, and because it contributes to brake wear and flickering brake lights which could be confusing to other drivers. The second two articles advocate left-foot braking in performance driving because it allows slightly faster slowing time and allows faster acceleration out of turns &c. The Car Talk guys were split on the issue in 1993. From my point of view, braking with left foot offers not real advantage, because anytime the brake and accelerator pedals are being depressed simultaneously, one is working against the other, even if only a little (you're either slowing down a car that's still trying to move forward under power or you're accelerating against the drag of the brake) so you're adding brake & engine wear and wasting gas. Probably not hugely, but still. And you're either moving your left foot from the floor to the brake, so not gaining a time-to-stop advantage over moving the right foot from the accelerator to the brake, or you're driving around with your left foot hovering over the brake, which seems tiring.

--some jerk on the Internet (talk) 14:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

When I took a Driver's Education class in 1971, we sometimes observed cars with their brake lights on while driving normally and not actually slowing or stopped. Our instructor called the operators of the these cars "two-footed drivers" and advised us to always use only the right foot to operate either the brake or the accelerator pedal. The reasoning was that if you use your left foot to brake, you may rest it on the brake pedal and flash your brake lights unintentionally when not actually slowing down, confusing those driving behind you. Thomprod (talk) 15:48, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

On the rare occasions when I drive an automatic, I only use one foot to avoid instinctively using the brake like a clutch and plunging it to the floor when I want to stop. Automatic transmission is still in the minority on this side of the Atlantic. Alansplodge (talk) 17:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

(un-indent) There is ONE special situation that calls for the use of both feet: when starting from a dead stop on a steep hill (like in some parts of Frisco), you hold the brake with your left foot while slightly pressing the gas with your right, and then release the brake -- doing this prevents the car from rolling back while the engine accelerates. Other than that, though, you should ONLY use your right foot and press only one pedal at a time, as the others have already pointed out. 24.23.196.85 (talk) 23:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

car dashboard symbols

Hi!

For my class I am trying to find out information regarding the symbols used on the car dashboard. I am finding many sites that show all the symbols used on a dashboard but I have not found any information on when we started using these symbols and who came up with these symbols? Was it one car company or multiple at the same time? I have found out that it was around the 1960's that they started to appear but I would like more information if it is out there. Could you help me or direct me in my search? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.117.142.11 (talk) 16:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

My first car, a 1969 Hillman Minx, had only two symbols if I recall correctly, a picture of a little trumpet for the horn and a picture of the arc of a windscreen wiper for the wipers. It's difficult to imagine what other symbols could have been used for these features. Alansplodge (talk) 17:31, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

ISO 2575 would seem to be the relevant standard. It was first published in 1973. and is currently in its 8th edition. Rojomoke (talk) 18:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

... but you'll need $170 to read it. Richard Avery (talk) 18:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

However, you can read the standards set by the Indian Automotive Standards Committee, which claim to comply with ISO 2575 and various EU directives here. Alansplodge (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Video cameras forbidden

Quite many entertainment events allow guests to photograph the event but strictly forbid use of video cameras. Why is this? JIP | Talk 20:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Because they'd like the option to sell you a copy of the performance if they so choose at a later date. This prohibition usually includes audio recording, video recording, and photography. This is known as Bootleg recording, and while some artists (notably Phish and the Grateful Dead) have allowed it, most entertainment venues do not, because they recognize that you will not likely buy a copy of a performance you already own, but would possibly buy one of a performance you do not. --Jayron32 20:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm aware of this protection against bootleg recording. But my question is specifically about events where still photography is allowed but video recording is not. JIP | Talk 20:27, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

For the same reason. The venue and/or artist gets to decide what is and is not allowed, and the artist may wish to reserve the right to publish a video of the event at some point. It doesn't have to be an "all or nothing" proposition, the ticket is a form of "contract" where you, as the purchaser, agree to the terms of the seller, and the seller can set any number of reasonable restrictions on what you can, and cannot do, in their venue. The easiest explanation is that they want to restrict the production of bootleg video recordings. --Jayron32 20:37, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

What exclusives would Joan Rivers have anymore? ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 23:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Cameras are often forbidden also. It just depends on how badly the performer wants to protect his copyright. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:16, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Video is more desirable than still images, for things like concerts and sports. You ever really listen to a picture of a harp? Don't bother. So there's more potential money to lose. They figure the good will of letting you keep a souvenir photo (or hundreds) outweighs the risk of them losing a cash opportunity. On that note, who wants 994 free Smashing Pumpkins albums? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:39, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

I question the premise of the question. Every ticket I've ever seen for a major entertainment event has prohibited all forms of photography, not just video. --Viennese Waltz 04:24, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

May 31

Articles For Creation Heather Boswell and Evelyn Taft

Can these articles be created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tariqmudallal (talk • contribs) 02:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Possibly, but here isn't the place to ask. Go to Wikipedia:Requested articles. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 03:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

(ec) Probably not. Nobody of either name strikes me as satisfying our notability requirements. If you're referring to Evelyn Taft the meteorologist, her article's already been created and deleted. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality

Is it a diploma mill or not? --Yoglti (talk) 03:24, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Did you read the article you just linked. It discusses the issue directly. --Jayron32 03:34, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Extending my question: Is there any where online I could buy a statue of the Hindu demoness Tataka?

Is there any where online I could buy a statue of the Hindu demoness Tataka? Venustar84 (talk) 04:17, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

I fixed your text boxing error, looked on-line, google shopping, ebay even used several of the name derivations and the untranslated term, lots of images but no products. Kudos to any editor that does find this. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 04:51, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

From the picture in our article, she looks like almost any female human in Hindu dress But if you do a google-images search on Tatake, you see pictures of her showing anything from slim, beautiful women to ugly, bloated troll-like females with tusks instead of teeth. Clearly her appearance is not well-described anywhere - so just about any female human in Hindu dress could be said to be representative of her. http://www.exoticindia.com/dolls/barbie_in_india_ca43.jpg maybe? SteveBaker (talk) 14:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Question?

How do I tidy up my references at the end of an article? Is there a 'reference wizard' I could use? --KuchenZimjah (talk) 10:10, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

This is more a helpdesk question but since it's here, this Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Citation_processing_tools may assist. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 11:27, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Treasure hunt clues

I need some help deciphering any possible meanings for any of the following clues for a treasure hunt in Salina, Kansas.

1. Over the hump
2. Bump E to H
3. Saucy, lofty learning
4. Connects Charles and Sherman
5. 1/20# + 2L
6. Be wearing an orange cap
7. Happily abridged border

The only main rules to the location are that it will be located somewhere easily accessible and on public property. Thanks in advance, Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 10:42, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
New clues:

1. Heb's partner state
2. HER TRUER COFFEE TILTS
   

Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 12:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Charles Street and Sherman Street seem to be connected by S Eleventh Street. Does that help?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:00, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Not quite, already thought of that and the other clues don't seem to fit. I can think of the local indicators, I just need any wider meanings I might be missing or wider connections. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 12:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

You have not mentioned anywhere what our share of the booty will be!--Aspro (talk) 13:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Pay to play I say ;-) ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 13:22, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

XD Something tells me you wouldn't be interested in a $2000 Smoky Hill River Festival gift card, which is the main prize. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 13:47, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

matriz predial during the portugese rule in estate india i.e Goa

during the portugese rule in goa prior to 1960 there was system of collecting revenue for goverment, it was called matriz predial,there used to be person who was called as topografer my question is what was the procedure that was followed by him to give number to any property ?