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Adoption

Hey Nick! Thanks for reaching out on my talk page. Just the push I needed to get back into this. I really appreciate your commitment to women on Wikipedia; the Art + Feminism events are really what got me started editing. I did start with a bang last year while at an Artist Residency where I hosted an edit-a-thon at the Art Center and taught a dozen people how Wikipedia works. Together we edited 20 articles on women artists of color and I wrote and published a new article (that never got flagged for deletion!). Although I fell off the editing wagon, Iam back and have found new motivation for editing this year. I have set fairly reasonable goals but I am trying to self-motivate to edit every week. I plan to write a few articles this year about women and gender-non-binary artists and would love some help editing those when the time comes. I am starting from my own bookshelf and seeing what I can contribute to, as well as looking at the Women in Red project. Lastly, I am dreaming of hosting local micro-events at specialized libraries like the Craft Council Library or the History Museum archives. Let me know if you would be interested in adopting me and helping me accomplish these goals this year! Thanks, Terasaface (talk) 17:37, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for answering my question, Nick Moyes, but to answer your question, I would like scientists in astronomy, like Tycho Brahe or Nicolaus Copernicus.so I hope that helps narrow it down THEGREECEPEACE 23:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Greecemaniac2005. You get points deducted for not explaining yourself better when you posted at the Teahouse!!! But seriously, like I said in my original reply, this encyclopaedia is never going to create its own list of best scientists, but I now think I have an answer to help you find all the articles about a related topic, like 'astronomers'. You simply need to look at the 'Categories' shown at the bottom of every page. Tycho Brahe has nearly 30 categories, and click one that interests you. That will display a list of all the articles currently tagged with that Category name, and at the bottom of the page you'll see the parent category that that child category falls in to. If you visit Special:CategoryTree you are able to select simple category titles and see the sub-categories and pages within them (like this). Does this make sense and give you what you want?

By the way, what have you done to your signature? I think you have you changed it at Special:Preferences, and have given yourself a name that's not the same as your username. If you would uncheck the box labelled Treat the above as wiki markup. Keeping it as it is gives no link back to your talk page and so I had no idea who really had left a talk page message, and this goes against our guidelines that require a hyperlink back to you. (See WP:SIGLINK for details). Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

British Isles Mountains

Hi Nick,

Coming back to you as have done my overhaul of the British Isles mountains lists. Found a lot of old unloved articles (not touched for over 10 years) where the data was out of date, unsourced (e.g. not really usable), in a customised format (e.g. can't be re-downloaded), and/or wrong ranking. I downloaded tables from the two highest quality sources, the Database of British and Irish Hills and MountainViews Online Database (for Ireland). They are now a single primary source, referenceable as correct as at October 2018, and the small specific areas that they do not agree are marked (the databased themselves also mark their differences). The tables are all linked (using the [[ ]] in excel), and are in m and ft, and I have created a lot of REDIRECT pages so that future downloads of these databases (which should be done every year or so) require minimal manual intervention to ensure they automatically link when imported. I have ranked the big tables by height and by the prominence. In summary, I have:

1. Rewritten two main "root" articles (which all tables, lists, definitions link back to):

1. Lists of mountains and hills in the British Isles
2. Lists of mountains in Ireland

2. Created new articles that are tables for:

1. List of Donald mountains in Scotland
2. List of Graham mountains in Scotland
3. List of Corbett mountains in Scotland
4. List of Munro mountains in Scotland, there was never a single Munro, or Munro Top, table.
5. List of Murdo mountains in Scotland
6. List of Birketts
7. List of Nuttall mountains in England and Wales
8. List of Hewitt mountains in England, Wales and Ireland

3. Restructured old articles with new tables:

1. List of Marilyns in the British Isles, this is the proper "root" table for Marilyns
2. List of P600 mountains in the British Isles, was article had forgotten that it was about P600s
3. List of Wainwrights, updated the tables in a format that can be re-downloaded easily

4. Redirected old unfixable articles (e.g. bad data but in a format that can't be re-downloaded) to new articles:

1. All the Nuttalls articles redirect to List of Nuttall mountains in England and Wales
2. All the Hewitts articles redirect to List of Hewitt mountains in England, Wales and Ireland
3. All the Marilyn articles - except for Scotland - redirect to List of Marilyns in the British Isles
4. Various top-10 and top-100 lists of UK mountains that were all out of date, and in an unfixable format

5. Created two "mega" lists of highest and most prominent mountains for the classic wiki-search:

1. List of mountains of the British Isles by height, 2,754 Simms peaks searchable peaks by height and by prominence
2. List of Marilyns in the British Isles, 2011 Marilyns peaks searchable peaks by height and by prominence

6. I kept the following articles:

1. List of Munros in Scotland by Section, a good article that is of historical value even though its measurements are old
2. List of Marilyns in Scotland, a whole series that are out-of-date but am waiting for a response on Talk Page to re-direct to the above Marilyn article

For some reason, there was (is?) an infatuation in old articles about listing the "parent peaks" of major mountains. The Database of British and Irish Hills ("DoBIH") will tell anybody that this is not meaningful (e.g. parents should not have parents). In all the above tables, I have given the DoBIH parents, which are supplied when relevant (e.g. Munro Tops, Nuttall, and Donald Tops), however we need to stop people making tables with non-DoBIH parent data, as they are confusing and not updateable (e.g. the DoBIH does not list them).

Hope this makes sense. I had a thought that we should create a new template banner for the Talk Pages of British Isles mountains tables which tells people (1) not to change individual metrics (otherwise they lose the integrity of a single primary source at a given date), (2) not to create new non-DoBIH tables (as they ultimately become orphans and out of date - it is amazing how much prominence data has changed in the last 10 years), and how to re-download the data themselves to update ? Hope it helps! Britishfinance (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2018 (UTC) @Britishfinance: Sorry for not replying sooner. I've been rather busy in the "real world" and am now off walking in Yorkshire for a week. I'll look at it in detail asap and reply again in due course if that's okay? Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 10:55, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

No problem Nick, it is a lot to look at, but I think it would be good to get your input. The good thing about having these tables is that they should hopefully serve as a focal point for referencing data (some of the individual peak pages have out-of-date height or prominence), and for showing editors how many "redlinks" are yet to be done (still plenty of Munros that need articles!). thanks again for your interest. Britishfinance (talk) 11:03, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Britishfinance: Just to let you know I've not forgotten your hard work. I saw my mate last week at my climbing club - he's up for having a look through (though is naturally suspicious about all things Wikipedia, as regards accuracy). Having explained that most non-experts are likely to go here rather than the definitive lists, he could see the value. When I get a moment I will drop him an email with the links in, though I would like to go through all your pages myself first. But am still every busy with builders in and so forth, so it'll be a little while yet. Hope that's OK, and just wanted to reassure you I'd not overlooked you. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:22, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Nick. Ultimately, this is all directly sourced fro the DoBIH (the definitive source on British Isles mountains), but I think the interface of the DoBIH (HillBagging UK) would be less familiar to the public and also does not present full lists or tables. What is even more important is that as the public hit these various Wikipedia sites on mountains, if they have any concerns regarding accuracy, they can check for themselves quite easily (which I think is an important aspect of the articles - they come from a single high quality checkable source). thanks again. Britishfinance (talk) 08:27, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Yep, Britishfinance, I do get that, and I think he does too, now. Should you not hear from me - do chase me up! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:33, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Nick Moyes, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Backlog

As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

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Adoption

Hello,

I am a relatively new user that is looking to be adopted as part of the adopt a user program. My interests include Judaism, Computer Science, and history (particularly American and Jewish).

Thank you for taking the time to consider this. Alternate Side Parking (talk) 00:16, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Alternate Side Parking and thanks very much for taking the initiative of contacting me, and well done for getting all 15 of your The Wikipedia Adventure badges. I'm not confident that your interests and mine tally up sufficiently closely for me to be able to help and guide you in a formal adoption process. In particular, I know nothing of religion, about which you seem to edit a lot. I would also have preferred that you had 'come clean' right from the start and explained your previous J.A.R.N.Y. account and 6-month block (and subsequent unblock) and what appears now to be a genuine attempt to make up for past poor behaviour. So well done for the latter. If you are going for a WP:CLEANSTART, you might like me to add {{retired}} to it on your behalf. If, rather than just a clean start, you've simply just lost the password, as you've stated elsewhere, using your A.S.P. account you ought to edit the old J.A.R.N.Y. and clearly declare the linkage between accounts, and why you've retired it. Obviously, you must never use multiple accounts, so that one must not be used again. Ever. (I think I'm giving you the right advice here, but I am going to ping @Vsmith: who unblocked you in April so as to be certain.)

That all said, and despite thinking formal adoption isn't quite right between us, I'd still be happy to offer any help and guidance you need - either here, on your talk page, or over at the Teahouse where I tend to lurk quite a bit. My approach to adoption (and I'm new to this myself) is to support a new(ish) editor in an ad hoc way, rather than in a structured step-by-step manner as some adopters have done in the past. So even if we don't go down that route, perhaps I could invite you to list a few of the areas you have been struggling with and would like assistance over, and at the very least I'll try and help and perhaps get a sense of what support you need. Looking at your contributions since you began editing under this new account name last month, I could make the following suggestions for you:

• You could lose a few of your userboxes to help other editors get a better sense of you, as a few do seem rather irrelevant - but fun though!! (I am guessing that one of them is actually revealing your true age - if so, you might wish not to reveal your birth date in such a sobering way.)
• With this edit you seem to have copy/pasted an entire paragraph as a 'quote' within the reference. This isn't necessary. Indeed, it's a breach of copyright so do please remove that. The citation and link lead users to the article where they can check the source for themselves. I know absolutely nothing about religious topics, nor have little interest in them, but the source seemed adequate to support the statement (even if I didn't understand many of the terms used within it). I see you've also done it here too] which, again, is unnecessary if it's to an online article. I would like you to understand that using quotes in this way is not only unnecessary, but also against our policy explained at WP:COPYVIO.
• Whilst it's great to send welcome messages to other new users, there's no need to send them to editors who, thus far, have never edited. You seem to have done that a quite few times, and as so many accounts get created that never ever edit, this is a waste of your efforts.

You do seem to have done a lot of things right since editing under this new account name, so keep it up. Like I said, give me a shout on my talk page, or wherever, if you need any input or guidance, and I'll support you as best as I'm able. But bear in mind this. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Need assistance

• Hi Nick, Thanks for your help on Tea House. I thought you would help me more to teach to counter vandalism. So, could you please teach me well about Rollback, Patrolling New Pages and Pending changes reviewing. I checked in Counter Vandalism Unit and didn't find anyone who can teach there. TheRedBox (talk) 06:54, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@TheRedBox:. Once again, "goodness", you are enthusiastic to learn - and that's no bad thing. But there's no shortcut to learning what to do, or reading through all the guidance and help pages yourself, watching and learning as you go along. You are still a very new user, so dont try and learn or do everything in one go. New Page Patrolling needs a lot of experience across all our general policies - and its only something I got involved with some years after starting here. Similarly Rollback and Pending Changes are also for the more experienced users. In the case of rollback, you simply have the ability to revert more than one edit at a time in a series of edits that the user has made. I honestly don't think I can single-handedly teach you what all our guidance and Project pages ought to be teaching you if you were only to sit down and work slowly through our documentation one step at a time. So pick just one topic, work through the guidance and come back with specific questions if you're confused. (You might find that I am, too!). Something you couid consider doing is creating a new user sub-page which you might, for example, call "Learning". Or you could use this on your main user page subdividing it rather as I've done on mine. Divide it up into different sections on different areas of Wikipedia that you are unclear on, and compile a list of links to key help pages, a list of questions for things you don't understand, and so on. By collating that you'll be building up a picture of the things you do and you don't understand, and making your own personal help page. By the way: I presume you're okay on actually searching for Wikipedia help pages using their shortcuts? If not, let me know and I'll talk you through that. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I want to thankyou heartly Cause of your help, i think i am going good while countering vandalism.  TheRedBox (Talk) 09:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@TheRedBox: Thanks. That's really great to hear, so thanks for your efforts here. I'm a bit busy in 'real life' right now, but I'll pop by and check out your contributions in the next few weeks and let you know if I see any any problems in the way you're working that you might need to address. All the very best, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the warning

Hello Nick, I am really sorry for the warning actually I was very angry at that moment and I thought that the editor was not assuming good faith. I also apologised in his talk page. It would not happen again.Denim11 (talk) 12:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out, Denim11. Don't worry - we all make mistakes (and I've also had to apologise for drawing the wrong conclusions before now). Key thing is learn from those errors, and you're clearly doing that. That shows you have makings of a really valuable Wikipedian. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:45, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Nick.Denim11 (talk) 15:56, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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		Nick, many thanks for pointing my mistake and helping me out.

Denim11 (talk) 16:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

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WikiProject assessment table update

Hi Nick, I had a question about our WikiProject L&O assessment table. We have been tagging more articles with our WikiProject banner but the assessment table doesn't seem to be updating with the additional articles (at least for about the last 2 weeks). Do you know how we can get this updated? Thanks Jayzlimno (talk) 19:17, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry

Hi there I am sorry for what i have wrote, it was misunderstanding. I am so ashamed that i wrote bad things about wikipedia but i say sorry for all wikipedian community and thanks for what you wrote 😭😩 --MeKLT (talk) 11:21, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey, MeKLT, you've no need to apologise - we all make mistakes when we start out. Just start making edits to articles that you believe you can improve (minor edits like spelling/grammmar corrections are a great way to gain confidence). Have you tried The Wikipedia Adventure? There are 15 badges to collect as you learn the basics of editing. If you would like me to, I could check your contributions from time to time and make any suggestions that might help - but I wouldn't want you to feel I would be watching you if you'd like that support. Just let me know. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

List of moths

You've left a sentence fragment hanging in your comment on the AfD page. SpinningSpark 12:04, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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New adoptee

Hi, Nick, I'm aurornisxui. I have only been here about a week, but I am here to stay. I'm a retired reference librarian, so I'm very familiar with reserach, copyright, verifiable sources, etc. I have done The Wikipedia Adventure and am working my way through the mounds of information. I started spell checking as a way to do a little bit and learn more and found that I like it. Of the dozen or so articles I've checked, one was a simple correction. Others include the primary reference disappearing from the English internet entirely (including the Wayback Machine), finding a foreign term I can verify but not translate, a stub on a butterfly that I want to expand, several more. When I correct an error, I leave a summary that may include weblinks to back up my choice.

I have already used The Teahouse and asked for help on my user page several times and have even managed to learn the hard way by not entering the correct information on a WikiProject list and creating an article about myself (and had very nice people explain what I'd done wrong and correct it).

I am passionate about science. I have studied particle physics and anthropology on my own. I am currently in love with paleontology and am reading Donald Prothero's Bringing Fossils to Life.

I am also interested in Women in Red. I have information on a German/French kinesiologist naned Lily Ehrenfried.

I know the basics of markup.

I hope you'll consider me. Thanks Aurornisxui (talk) 01:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

@Aurornisxui: Thanks for your post and request about adoption. Normally, I wouldn't consider taking on a completely new editor such as yourself because I think they can be better helped - and in much faster time - by posting requests for help at the Teahouse. And, of course, we've already briefly bumped into one another (though I've only just spotted that I failed to save my bathtime edit to your user page, so have just repeated it for you. I hope it was what you wanted.)

Having said that, because of your background as a now-retired reference librarian, I am keen to encourage you to stay and to contribute effectively. I would observe that of your 202 edits here so far, the majority have been to your user page or other talk pages, with only 18 actual edits to the encyclopaedia. So I would like to see more evidence of a real commitment to encyclopaedia editing across a range of topics - but am expectant that will come. My approach to adoption (and I'm fairly new to it myself) is an informal, rather than a structured one. I currently support another academic editor in that way, though he also uses the Teahouse for quicker replies, and sometimes I've replied to him there, rather than on one of our own user talk pages. (I am fairly busy right now ITRW, so I can't always reply immediately).

Regarding spell-checking: I also found this an interesting and rewarding way in to improving articles and learning how things are done, as well as spotting troublesome edits and editors. In fact, using this tool set me off with an interest in supporting some of the more administrative tasks here. Whilst I have used a tool for making mass edits and corrections called AWB, I wouldn't recommend this for a newcomer, as it's extremely powerful and I think much more direct editing experience should be gained first. So have you heard of 'Lupin's spell-checker' - a great way to monitor a live feed of spelling errors as they happen? If not, I'd later on be happy to explain how you load it up and use it. Meanwhile, if you encounter one word that is often mis-spelled, e.g. accomodate, you can enter it in the search box and work through all the returned results. But do avoid changing things like colour to color, where both spellings are equally valid.

Meanwhile I'd perhaps suggest you compile a list of the kinds of things you'd like support or help in. Obviously, I could look at any draft articles you work on, though it sounds like you're taking the sensible, longer-term approach of starting slowly to pick up experience, rather than diving in at the deep end. It looks like you are very sensibly using your userpage to collate links to useful pages and help. I've done a similar thing myself on mine. You might also consider making a bulleted list of things you want to find out about. You know, the kind of things that aren't so urgent you need to ask at the Teahouse, but which summarise the things you don't yet know, or want to understand better. I could use that to help me help you!

A couple of things I'd suggest might interest an information scientist like you: The Facebook group for Wikipedians and Librarians and WikiProject GLAM - standing for Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums, and the potential for collaboration between them and Wikipedia. Hence GLAM-Wiki.

It's great to see you're interested in Women in Red - we certainly need more female editors here, and many more articles are needed about notable women. So I presume you've seen their list of potential articles? See WP:WIRINDEX for a subject-based list of ideas to work on.

Anyway, enough from me for now. Just give me an idea of the kinds of things you think you might need support with to begin with and we can take it from there. I'm happy to look over edits you've made and are unsure about, or to talk you though citing references, which is an essential but quite a complex part of editing. Regards for now, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:04, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Hi, Nick, Thank you very much for accepting me. What you wrote on the Adopters page really stood out from the rest, so I wanted to at least write to you and see if you were interested.

The high number of edits to my user page are because I was trying to learn about the ins and outs of how Wikipedia works, figuring out what I wanted my User Page to be, and learning that trying to edit on my kindle does not work. There are quite a few multiple edits because something wasn’t working.

The edits on the talk page were editing related. Most are because I was asking questions at The Teahouse, on my User Page, from a couple of members of the Women in Red Project or they are notes that I left on pages edited when I needed to add more information about what I had done than could be said in an edit summary. See Brava Island Cup as an example.

I also have ½ dozen or so projects that I’m working on that started (usually) as pages with spelling errors and turned into something that needs research when I actually looked at the page.

I haven’t heard of the spell checker you mentioned, but I would like to. So far, I have been using the Typo Team’s list of misspellings to find something to work on.

I am going to work on a list of what I’d like to learn today and post it on my User Page. Basically, everything, but especially all the maintenance tasks. I also want to let you know that I am slow, partially because of health concerns, partically because I can't just correct a spelling error on an article. If there is more that is wrong, I can't ignore it and move on. And often, the more requires research.

Thanks again very much Aurornisxui (talk) 17:02, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I left the list on my user page, apparently I also need to learn how to tag you, although I may have used ref rather than re. Aurornisxui (talk) 18:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: when you have time, would you please check if I did the lang tag correctly? Carlo Vittadini. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurornisxui (talk • contribs)

Hi again, Aurornisxui. (I have a half-drafted reply to your earlier post on my desktop at home, so haven't overlooked that.) Re the lang tag, no, I that's not quite right. The purpose of the template is to italicise the foreign language text, doing away with the need for the pair of double apostrophes which normally create the italic font. So delete the apostrophes and put all the Latin text inside the template. Take a look at the source code for the text below: ::::::He became a doctor ... with a thesis entitled Tentamen mycologicum seu Amanitarum illustratio where he described...

If all you actually wanted to do was to flag up one word which others might think was a mis-spelling, your best bet is to use the {{notatypo}} template. Click that link to read its documentation. Will be in touch again soon. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Nick, I am going to have to leave Wikipedia, perhaps permanently. I am having some health problems and need to focus on them. I apologize profusely, I did not know when I asked you to be my adopter that this would happen. Thank you very much for accepting me. Best wishes to you. Aurornisxui (talk) 23:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

@Aurornisxui: Oh dear, I am genuinely sorry to hear this news. I'm afraid our posts just crossed. Obviously you need to focus on your health, but I hope you will keep a note of your account password and aim to return again when your health improves sufficiently. Having a long-term goal can have a very positive outcome on one's health, and I am confident you have the capability of being a valuable contributor. Keep that in mind as you face your immediate challenges. I will be here for you when you feel able to return. With my very best wishes. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:33, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thank you very much. I am going to try doing some spell checking, something small I think I can do. I'll get back to that article and change it, thanks for looking at it. Thanks again for you help. Aurornisxui (talk) 18:53, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks about stack

I just saw your message about the stack template (took me a bit to figure out where it was) - thanks. I was perplexed when I looked at the markup, but I thought it was just me/my tablet! Aurornisxui (talk) 01:34, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

@Aurornisxui: Nope - just me being careless on my tiny iPhone! Am currently drafting you a reply to your previous post. But it's late here in the UK (we're in UTC time), so will probably post it tomorrow. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:38, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm not ever in a rush. Aurornisxui (talk) 01:42, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Annoyed

I have had 2 Nazi-like (persons) totally delete my questions (about the article). Do you agree with what they’ve done? What do you recommend? [1] [2]

MBG02 (talk) 17:41, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, MBG02. Thanks for your post. I really appreciate you asking my opinion. Thank you. Firstly, please don't get annoyed - there's really no need - but in future you really must avoid labelling individual editors in a way which could be interpreted as a personal attack. That not OK at all - I hope you see that? I do know how frustrating it is to have any edit reverted, and especially to receive a templated message. But it's important never to let that get to you - usually there's a very good reason behind it; it's just a case of looking obectively at what happened and consider it from the viewpoint of the other editor. (Not that one edit summary clearly said they were concluding your edit was made in good faith.)

Anyway, earlier this evening a did take a look at those edits, and a few others of yours. I think I can see where the confusion occurred, and why those two edits were reverted. Truth to tell, I think you needed to have been a lot clearer in what you were trying to say. Had you said, "I notice this article doesn't contain mention of X, which I find surprising. I've found no/one/two/three (delete as appropriate) references to support it. What do other editors think? Can anyone add reliable references to fill any perceived gap?", then I don't think there's any problem. But on this occasion your approach and content did look much more like a load of vague thoughts and theories. So, I think I might also have removed them, had I seen them. They were, I'm afraid, just too woolly to be understandable as a constructive talk page contribution. Now, I'm sure you meant well - but I just fear they didn't come over as such, hence the WP:NOTFORUM message. I recognise these do tend to sound rather terse, especially when one believes one's done nothing inappropriate. But you mustn't let it rile you. So I think you have various options. I've put my favourites towards the top:

• Don't worry about it. Do nothing more, but simply learn a helpful lesson; i.e. try to be concise in future, and only make specific points/ask questions (with references if possible) that are clearly relevant to improving the article. Avoid random, waffly thoughts on talk pages (if that's the right spelling!) And never add anything to an article that's based on your opinion, or not supported with references.
• Drop the editors a note saying that that wasn't your intention and thanking them for reverting what was not meant to be a general forum-like edit (probably not really necessary unless you really want to - but it's surprising how good it makes one feel to engage with a reverting editor. They usually respond in a nice way back!)
• Carry on regardless - don't even bother to stand back and look at how you wrote what you wrote; change nothing in your approach; just assume you've been slighted. (I don't see this as a sensible way to move forward, and just leads to non-constructive editing)
• Carry a grudge and call everyone who ever reverts one of your edits a Na*i. I'm sure neither you nor I would really feel that is sensible, and that it's a really bad, confrontational/accusative constructive road to go down. (Eventually leading to a charge of WP:NOTHERE, and eventually even a block.

Look, I'll end by saying it's clear you came here because you care. And that's great. You wouldn't have done so had you just popped up on a talk page with a few random thoughts and not cared if they got removed. So, as in life, there's a useful lesson to be gained for better future editing (I've cocked up a few times, too, and become a better editor by considering how others have perceived what I wrote. We all do) You decide what's the best way forward - I'm sure you'll make absolutely the right choice. Might I also suggest you create a userpage - just a few lines about yourself, your Wiki-editing interests and so forth? You don't have to state whether you're a young school boy, an elderly retired lady, or some point mid-way between, but I always tend to view editors slightly more positively when I see they've gone to the trouble of making that userpage. You've been here over four months, so you might like to think about it as sensible good move. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:19, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Still pondering (...just as annoyed). But gosh you’re a good bloke. MBG02 (talk) 03:37, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Lupin's Anti-Vandal tool

Hey Nick, can you tell me how to use Lupin's Anti-Vandal tool? I revert vandalism by Twinkle but I saw in your userboxes that you use Lupin's tool so I too like to use the tool. Thanks.Denim11 (talk) 13:14, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

@Denim11: Yes, when I get near a proper keyboard, I'll put some notes together and follow up your request for help. It runs for a set period of time before needing to be manually resumed. Meanwhile, you might like to read WP:LUPIN, noting that you might wish to load in my modified version of the original script, as this runs five times longer (1000 returns, not 200) and also leaves a better edit summary. You can find my tweaked version at User:Nick Moyes/recent2test.js.

Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:45, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Gold Collar

I can’t figure this out! Disambiguation page Gold collar has a crap definition; put there by User:Johnbod in 2007.

This guy also won’t allow (in 2018) “The Allegory of Spring” to be added to Primavera (painting) despite it previously being in the article (for c10 years) and in EBritannica (+).

Interested?

MBG02 (talk) 03:47, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Help

Hi Nick,

Can you view this article and see if it sits into mainspace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jwslubbock/Joseph_Kalimbwe and move it should you see if it now fits. Also can you kindly see Hendric Witboii — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.182.25.94 (talk) 08:40, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy new year

	Happy New Year
	Hi Nick Moyes, Sending you a warm greetings for New Year 2019 and may this new year bring you joy and laughter. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 15:49, 13 December 2018 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018

Hello Nick Moyes,

Reviewer of the Year

This year's award for the Reviewer of the Year goes to Onel5969. Around on Wikipedia since 2011, their staggering number of 26,554 reviews over the past twelve months makes them, together with an additional total of 275,285 edits, one of Wikipedia's most prolific users.

Thanks are also extended for their work to JTtheOG (15,059 reviews), Boleyn (12,760 reviews), Cwmhiraeth (9,001 reviews), Semmendinger (8,440 reviews), PRehse (8,092 reviews), Arthistorian1977 (5,306 reviews), Abishe (4,153 reviews), Barkeep49 (4,016 reviews), and Elmidae (3,615 reviews).
Cwmhiraeth, Semmendinger, Barkeep49, and Elmidae have been New Page Reviewers for less than a year — Barkeep49 for only seven months, while Boleyn, with an edit count of 250,000 since she joined Wikipedia in 2008, has been a bastion of New Page Patrol for many years.

See also the list of top 100 reviewers.

Less good news, and an appeal for some help

The backlog is now approaching 5,000, and still rising. There are around 640 holders of the NPR flag, most of whom appear to be inactive. The 10% of the reviewers who do 90% of the work could do with some support especially as some of them are now taking a well deserved break.

Really good news - NPR wins the Community Wishlist Survey 2019

At #1 position, the Community Wishlist poll closed on 3 December with a resounding success for NPP, reminding the WMF and the volunteer communities just how critical NPP is to maintaining a clean encyclopedia and the need for improved tools to do it. A big 'thank you' to everyone who supported the NPP proposals. See the results.

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Adoption

Can you please adopt me and help me around Wikipedia so one day I can be like you :), Also I'm British too Breakroute (talk) 21:23, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@Breakroute: Thanks very much for posting your request for adoption. I would prefer to see a longer commitment from editors to contributing across Wikipedia before considering adoption. I feel the Teahouse is the best way for experienced editors to help you on specific issues you come across. My approach is outlined here at Adopt a User. That said, if you need input on a matter relevant to my declared experiences, I'll do my best to help you. Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year, and good luck at the star of your Wikipedia journey. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

A little advice on BRD

Hi Nick Moyes. You gave me some feedback a short time ago at the TH about citation improvement.

I haven't had to use WP:BRD before. But after putting a couple of hours work into an article, I found my edit reverted at Pat McCrory. I'm not seeking intervention, just a little feedback on whether I am approaching it the right way: see Talk:Pat McCrory#NC State Board of Elections Report and, for another editor objecting to the same kind of thing: see Talk:Pat McCrory#False voter fraud claims.

PS: is there an easy way to reference a particular revision in talk pages?

Prime Lemur (talk) 02:39, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

@Prime Lemur: I will take a look, but may not be able to reply for a day or two. For revisions, see WP:DIFF for guidance. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:51, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi again Nick. I ended up re-adding my edit without disturbing the other editor's edit. At this time, its still there. I'd still be grateful if you could take a peek at my msg on the Pat McCrory talk page (linked above). I haven't seen any examples of a WP:BRD discussion before, so have nothing to go on. Sooner or later, it'll happen to me, so I want to be able to approach it courteously and professionally ... and your feedback would help. Thanks, Prime Lemur (talk) 07:58, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, Prime Lemur. I'm sorry to have taken so long to reply to you. (I've been deeply wrapped up in major house renovation work, and answering complex questions late at night on a small smartphone is not really feasible.) Nor was the topic one that deeply fascinated me (sorry). Anyway, I think you went about it reasonably well. I did find that your numerous edits made it hard to work out exactly what was being said, and where the key elements were, but you used helpful edit summaries throughout. In future, if you want to raise concerns about an edit reversion, do remember to include a WP:DIFF to the exact one. That helps everyone see precisely what you're worried about. You could say "Hey, in my recent edit I added this cited content (diff link) but you then removed most of it with this edit (diff link), and I don't understand why. Could you explain your reasoning a little more, please?"

I should add that, on the talk page, I did find it hard to work out which content you had added, or whether some had been added by another editor without signing them. In fact I think they were all yours, rather spaced out on the page. (don't add blank lines as well as colons to indent - just the colons will do to create a new paragraph) If no-one responds after a few days of attempting to discuss disagreements, then you've done all you can, and can continue to edit boldly, albeit bearing in mind previously expressed reversions or comments made in edit summaries, and adjusting your edits accordingly.

Of course, the real worry is not whether you're doing WP:BRD OK, but it's when you find another editor is continually reverting you own changes, and you start straying into WP:EDITWAR territory. That's well-worth reading, especially the section on the three-revert rule. I hope this has been of some assistance. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:03, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Nick Moyes that's of great assistance. I didn't come to WP to bump heads, just to add to the topics I know something about. I'll keep building what I know about policies & guidelines here: thanks for linking those ones. I appreciate your help! And ... Merry Christmas. Prime Lemur (talk) 05:11, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Merry

		Happy Christmas!
		Hello NM, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?" My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 19:19, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

January 2019 at Women in Red

January 2019, Volume 5, Issue 1, Numbers 104-108 Happy New Year from Women in Red! Please join us for these virtual editathons. January events: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/104|Women of War and Peace]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/105|Play!]] January geofocus: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/106|Caucasus]] New, year-long initiative: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/107|Suffrage]] Continuing global initiative: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/108|#1day1woman2019]] Help us plan our future events: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Ideas|Ideas Cafe]] To subscribe: Women in Red/English language mailing list and Women in Red/international list Unsubscribe: Women in Red/Opt-out list Image attribution: Nevit Dilmen (CC BY-SA 3.0) --Rosiestep (talk) 17:40, 21 December 2018 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Conflict of interest

Nick Moyes removed a link to a patent application because of 'conflcit of interest.' Who's conflict of interest when the theoretical model is valid and an accepted piece of conceptual art as a theoretical model accepted by the art world???????????????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan Van Carloads (talk • contribs) 10:30, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@Dan Van Carloads: I have effectively replied to this question in a post on your own talk page. As I see it, you have an undeclared conflict of interest in this topic, and you also would need to demonstrate that your personally published conceptual theory is, indeed, "... a theoretical model accepted by the art world" Do that, and many of your current problems will undoubtedly go away. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:45, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019

Whispyhistory (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas6}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Happy Holidays!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Nick Moyes, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019. Happy editing, I love rpgs [please ping me! ] 15:38, 25 December 2018 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #024, 26 Dec 2018

Last issue, I mentioned there would be a flood, and so, here it is...

Portals status

We now have 4,620 portals.

And the race to pass 5,000 by year's end is on...

Can we make it?

The New Year, and the 5,001st portal, await.

( New portals are created with {{subst:Basic portal start page}} or {{subst:bpsp}} )

Evad is back!

After disappearing in mid-thread, Evad37 has returned from a longer than expected wikibreak.

Be sure to welcome him back.

Improved cropping is coming to Portal image banner

User:FR30799386 is working on making {{Portal image banner}} even better by enabling it to chop the top off an image as well as the bottom.

Many pictures aren't suitable for banners because they are too tall. Therefor, User:FR30799386 added cropping to this template, so that an editor could specify part of a picture to be used rather than the whole thing.

Upgrade of flagship portals is underway

Work has begun on upgrading Wikipedia's flagship portals (those listed at the top of the Main page).

So far, Portal:Geography, Portal:History, and Portal:Technology have been revamped. Of course, you are welcome to improve them further.

Work continues on the other five. Feel free to join in on the fun.

Spotting missing portals that are redirects

In place of many missing portals, there is a redirect that leads to "the next best topic", such as a parent topic.

Most of these were created before we had the tools to easily create portals (they used to take 6 hours or more to create, because it was all done manually). Rather than leave a portal link red, some editors thought it was best that those titles led somewhere.

The subjects that have sufficient coverage should have their own portals rather than a redirect to some other subject.

Unfortunately, being blue like all other live links, redirects are harder to spot than redlinks.

To spot redirects easily, you can make them all appear green.

Keep 'em coming!

And I'll see you next issue.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   08:10, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Can you help?

Hi Nick Moyes, I have seen that you accept adoptees and maybe you can help. I am looking on how to reuse a citation and I until now do not find a solution. I also do not see how to sign. So I copied it from an other talk where I signed... (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:54, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Lean Anael. Of course I can help you. To sign any talkpage post, simply type four keyboard tilde characters at the end of your post (like this: ~~~~) and hit the blue Publish Changes button. This adds your username and a timestamp to every post you add.

To reuse a reference you will need to allocate it a shortcut name which you subsequently 'call' when you want to use it a second, third or fourth time etc. I find it best to avoid using Visual Editor for this bit as (annoyingly) there isn't yet a field to simply add a refname in the cite window, as there is in source editor. Take a look at the instructions at WP:REFNAME for precisely how to do this, and let me know how you get on. Once you master it, it saves so much effort. There is also a way to reuse, say, a book reference, but to add dufferent page numbers to each reused reference. Let me know if this might be handy, too. I'm not near a PC for most of today, so if you're still stuck, and in a hurry, you might get a quicker reply by asking at the Teahouse. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:18, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! For your fast and useful answer. The signing I master since yesterday. The re-use of the citations I master now, too. Have a nice day. Lean Anael (talk) 07:44, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	For your diplomatic, helpful, and understanding posts on Teahouse - especially tonight's! Schazjmd (talk) 03:42, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #025, 30 Dec 2018

We can now crop the tops of pics to make banners

Before, we could only cut off the bottom of pics.

User:FR30799386 has pulled it off, and made the upgrade to {{Portal image banner}}...

So, this:

Niagara falls, from the Canadian side

Becomes this:

Niagara falls, from the Canadian side

Here's the code for the above banner:

{{Portal image banner|File:American Falls from Canadian side in winter.jpg | [[Niagara falls]], from the Canadian side |maxheight=175px |overflow=Hidden|croptop=10}}

To see it employed in a portal, check out Portal:Niagara Falls.

About that end of the year goal...

We were racing against time to create 5,000 portals by the end of the year (just for the heck of it).

We made it. We've passed the 5,000 portals mark, with time to spare!

And the 5,000th portal is Portal:Major League Baseball, by Happypillsjr.

Congratulations!

What's next?

The 10,000th portal mark. But...

...there is plenty else to do in addition to building new portals:

1. The new portals need to be linked to from the encyclopedia.
2. On those portals about subjects that are not typically capitalized, the search parameters need to be refined/expanded, to maximize the chances of Did you know and In the news items being found and displayed.
3. A Recognized content section needs to be added to each portal that has a corresponding WikiProject.
4. Addition of a category on those portals that lack a subject category.
5. Implement the portal category system, adding the appropriate categories to each portal.
6. Upgrade, and complete (as per the tasks enumerated above), the old-style portals that are not regularly maintained, which have not been converted yet (about 1,100 of them).
7. Find and fix the remaining bugs in the underlying lua modules.
8. Build portal tools (scripts) to assist in the creation, development, and maintenance of portals.
9. Build a script to help build navbox footer templates, via the harvesting of categories, amongst other methods.
10. Update the portal building instructions.
11. Update the portal guideline.
12. Refine the programming of the portals to reduce their load time.
13. Design and develop the next generation of portals and portal components.

And whatever else you can dream up.

But most of all, have a...

Happy New Year!

Nick Moyes, thank you for your contributions to the Portals Project, and have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   12:05, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Thanks for all you do here in Wikipedia! (Especially giving me guidance when I am (and still am) a Wikipediholic! Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 22:08, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the burger, Thegooduser. You have the makings of a really great, committed editor, though I still remain concerned lest your amazing interest here Wikipediholism here ends up impacting on your real-world school work. How is school going, may I ask? Do you (including your family) think you have got the balance right, or have teachers expressed any concern over how well you study and work in class? If you show the initiative and commitment at school/college that you do here, you'll be doing fine. No need to answer if I'm asking personal questions. But I just want to know I/we care, though none of us here are as important as real world friends and family. Do have a really great New Year. I've got my daughter home from her first year at University right now (and she seems to have managed a sensible balance between studies and a good social life with like-minded friends there); whilst the one a couple of years younger is now seriously revising for mock-exams starting at the beginning of January. I'm not sure whereabouts you are in your college life, but I really wish you well. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:36, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I have now sort of found a way to balance my schoolwork with Wikipedia, Yet I can never get off Wikipedia of my mind though. [ I am in Grade 10 by the way :) ] It's so hard to not be a Wikipediholic once you become one. I find my self to be a level 1-2 (Mostly level 2 Wikipediholic). I really should be doing my schoolwork instead of spending it here on Wikipedia, but ever since I started editing Wikipedia, it's been really hard to stop. --Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 22:41, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I am at 6,011 edits or something the last time I checked my edit count. I am trying to clock at or past 10,000 edits by the end of my Winter Break for some reason. Do I have Edit contitius? --Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 22:43, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: Yes it does! (At least by 'Edit contitius' I presume you mean 'Edit countitus' - or perhaps you're employing a soldier from the Roman legions to assist you, LOL. I think your Grade 10 is our 'Year 11' here, so you and my youngest are at roughly the same stage. She spends here online time listen to YouTube music videos - so, if - and only if - you do get the balance right, I think you're using your online time far more usefully! But don't tell her that. However, it will all be for nothing if you flunk your studies because you've been overly-distracted by Wikipedia editing. I'm rather the same as you (albeit retired now, so I have far more right than you to waste all my time here!), but I love the elegance of how this site works and have often wondered if anyone has written a script which assesses and reports back on how much time an editor spends on Wikipedia. It would need to look at time between consecutive edits and make assumptions on how small a gap between them constitutes one period of 'continuous editing' and then add them together and report back on how much time we spend. I suspect in your and my case that that figure could be quite alarmingly high. In the case of my own Wikipediaholism I sometimes wake in the middle of the night with a thought, grab the phone and my glasses under the bedsheets, wait for the ensuing condensation to clear as my glasses warm up and, ensuring my wife doesn't get woken by the dim glow of the phone on its lowest brightness setting, make the odd edit or check the Teahouse messages. How worryingly sad is that? I do hope you don't do that too! (When I was your age it was a Crystal radio that I had wired with an earpiece under my pillow) BTW: Did you ever work out the answer to your Huggle question? My one foray into Huggle left me feeling I'd leave it for another day to get to grips with, but it was a very good point ]] that I had wired with an earpiece under my pillow) you asked. I didn't see you asking ti at Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback, so maybe you found the answer? If so, what was it? Maybe rather than aim at edit counts you might like to think about focussing on some of the Wikipedia things that might give you useful life experiences - possibly even in the eyes of a future employer. When I was your age I became the secretary of my local ham radio society; so I wonder what potential there is there for you in your own local community to work with others to, say, run a local WP:EDITATHON or get work experience at local museum, library or local archives office? Approaching any one of these, whilst scary for a youngster, could all lead to content being added to Wikipedia, providing you happen to encounter a receptive person there. This might sound frightening to a youngster like you, but I suspect you could find that encouraging real-world Wikipedia events to be run by one of them - or even simply being the catalyst to bring other like-minded people together in a local social situation could be great CV material that has career benefits for you. Certainly far more useful than meeting random edit count targets! I do think you have the potential to become an admin here (and even that probably has real-world CV-type benefits for a young person). So have you worked through the many essays around the topic at WP:RFA and assessed yourself against them? I am absolutely not suggesting you should put yourself forward at this stage in your life, but identifying your strengths and weaknesses against what is required for adminship could be quite a useful exercise in its own right that could help you grow and evolve as an editor and as a person. It's something I've been mulling over for a while now, yet still feel I've a lot more to learn first. So I'm not for one moment suggesting you rush to an WP:ORFA, but the act of self-assessment might help you identify strengths and weaknesses that need addressing. But above all, do stay grounded in the real world! You are welcome to email me if you ever get to the point of Wikipedia overtaking you. I will happily give you a really very stern, but private, talking to, and tell you, once again, that it is the real world and your own real life and future career that matters the most. Cheers, my friend. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:39, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I have decided to not use HG to do CSD, instead I will now use TW. (It's easier and much faster :) ) Somedays, I'll think of nothing but Wikipedia. ALL DAY. I am an extreme wikipediholic, When I meet someone new the first thing I ask them is, "Do you edit Wikipedia?" and the answer was always "No, I don't". --Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 23:45, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

That's way too nerdy for most people. Why not just drop it in later, and very gently, and then learn to drop it if there's no response. There are other more important things in life! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:53, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

All I ever talk to people usually at school is Transit or Wikipedia.--Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 22:13, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

LOL. Happy New Year! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Rocher de la Tournette

Best wishes to you for 2019, Nick and a long life to all who care! Now please have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GentleDjinn#Rocher_de_la_Tournette_moved_to_draftspace GentleDjinn (talk) 09:20, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

@GentleDjinn: Happy New Year to you too. I'm pleased you made the article, though I think the other editor was fair in draftifying it through lack of any sources to verify it to their satisfaction at this point in time. This isnt a rejection of the topic per se - just a reasonable action for an unreferenced page by an editor with no knowledge of the subect. I might have done the same myself and - if I'm frank - I don't think you needed to have responded quite as sharply as you did. It was no attack on you or your knowledge. I did a quick check thismorning, both online and in my 1990s Alpine Club Mont Blanc guidebook, and can easily provide sources to make it ok to move back. You can leave that with me to do, if you wish, though I don't work quite as quickly as you do! I'll also check my French maps as I suspect the article ought to have the main title of Tournette or La Tournette, and a redirect from Rochers de la Tournette. I'm with the family at the moment, and editing on a tiny mobile, so checking stuff isn't easy right now. I don't want to patronise you by suggesting you work in your sandbox first, but do feel free to send me any links you'd like input on. I do do New Page Reviewing anyway, so am happy to offer any observations. You might have spotted that I rushed to post my unfinished draft on the Géant Glacier. It still needs an infobox and a few bits adding, but I'm still cross with myself that all my work on my Gouter Hut draft was for nothing bcause you took the welcome inititative to actually post something yourself. Couldnt have that happen a second time in as many days! Very best wishes for the New Year, and I'm excited to see what other articles you're going to produce. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:15, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

PS I've also long thought the 'top of MB' page was rather pointless under that name. Maybe in due course a merge might be justified. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reaction and reencouragement. First, I was annoyed because it was not unreferenced (if two planes have hit the rock, and there are books and movies mentioned about those crash disasters and even reports about dead bodies of the victims now emerging from the ice, I would not call that unreferenced). Second, sources are certainly needed when the existence of something is doubted or disputed, but demanding them when that is not the case seems rather senseless pedantry to me, with destructive consequences: that leads to a rather absurd abyss, finally ending with questioning the reality of existence itself, and the use and validity and legitimation of rules... (probably good for a theoretical philosophical lemma in Wikipedia but not for the whole). But you suggest a merge of Top of the Mont Blanc with Rocher de la Tournette? GentleDjinn (talk) 08:48, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@GentleDjinn: You're very welcome, though I cannot agree with what you've just said. This version was the one before it was draftified for not being verifiable. In my view that's unreferenced. I'm sure you realise that wikilinks to other articles don't suffice for verifiability (except in Lists), nor would it be fair on users to expect them to have to wade through from one Wikipedia article to another in order to eventually find a WP:RS which proves something actually exists. That absolutely must be visible on the page itself, so I am a little surprised to hear you say that. It's a simple task to copy a reference from one article to another, or to link to an online map to show that a feature exists. Anyway, that said, regarding merging the Top of the Mont Blanc page with Rocher de la Tournette article, yes, I would consider it at some point in the future, but it would also need definite independent references to show that that rock is assumed/alleged/proven/stated to have come from there before it would be acceptable. It certainly wouldn't be OK to merge it based on one's personal guess (or WP:OR) that that was where the rock sample came from (even though I cannot imagine it coming from anywhere else. As there has never been any rocks accessible on the summit of MB in a historical timescale, it's really not 'the top', is it? As far as I can remember, the page just seemed to be a literal translation of a museum or exhibit label. Anyway, let's leave discussion on that that for another time shall we? BTW do you have a source that states what you added here? I don't disagree with your conclusion, but it is stated rather too strongly in my opinion (maybe the word 'likely to have been collected from' would have been more appropriate?) but even the archived refs to the Teyler Museum don't seem to function any more, so it's hard to check back. Best wishes. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

So, what is the source for the Teyler(s) Museum being a museum in Haarlem, and for Haarlem being the capital of North Holland? Or to restart in alphabetical order: what is the source then for Abu Dhabi being the capital of the United Arab Emirates? (and so on with all capital cities of the world form A to Z mentioned in the Wikipedia...) 14:00, 6 January 2019 (UTC)~

@GentleDjinn: I'm not sure why that reply comes across as a bit belligerent towards me, but I'm surprised you're challenging my simple observation that you did need to have cited statements on unusual topics like the plane crashes in an otherwise unreferenced new article. I thought we were on the same page, as it were, regarding Alps articles. You might like to read: Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue. Anyway, I did add the required references for you, so that's sorted, isn't it? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:32, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Yes, thanks indeed for the references! The pages on the crashes of the Air India Flight 101 and Air India Flight 245 exist since 2007 and 2009. It was sufficient to include links to those pages, imho. Both Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue and Wikipedia:You do need to cite that the sky is blue offer food for thought as well. But thanks again. By the way, I see in many sources the plural Rochers de la Tournette, e.d. [3]GentleDjinn (talk) 07:46, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

ok, thanks. Which references use the plural? Ignore non-mountain or geographically local literature and I rarely see the plural form; the remainder seem likely to be akin to an unfamiliar source wrongly referring to the 'Rocks' of Gibraltar. I would not wish to see it/they used throughout as that would only serve to confuse the reader. I would like to see fuller references, though, rather than bare urls. I think quality content deserves quality-formatted references, don't you? Cheers,Nick Moyes (talk) 10:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

• https://www.vienormali.it/montagna/cima_scheda.asp?cod=1323
• https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/rochers-de-la-tournette/

GentleDjinn (talk) 12:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2018).

Administrator changes

Galobtter

Orangemike

BorgQueen • Davidruben • Ocee • Revolving Bugbear • Theda • There'sNoTime • Timc • Tijuana Brass • Tristessa de St Ange

Bureaucrat changes

Addshore

CheckUser changes

Joe Roe • SilkTork

Euryalus • Newyorkbrad • There'sNoTime

Oversight changes

AGK • Joe Roe • SilkTork

Euryalus • Newyorkbrad • There'sNoTime

Guideline and policy news

• There are a number of new or changed speedy deletion criteria, each previously part of WP:CSD#G6:

1. G14 (new): Disambiguation pages that disambiguate only zero or one existing pages are now covered under the new G14 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-disambig}}; the text is unchanged and candidates may be found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unnecessary disambiguation pages.
2. R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-redircom}}; the text is unchanged.
3. G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts (discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use {{db-blankdraft}}.

• The Wikimedia Foundation now requires all interface administrators to enable two-factor authentication.
• Members of the Bot Approvals Group (BAG) are now subject to an activity requirement. After two years without any bot-related activity (e.g. operating a bot, posting on a bot-related talk page), BAG members will be retired from BAG following a one-week notice.

Technical news

• Starting on December 13, the Wikimedia Foundation security team implemented new password policy and requirements. Privileged accounts (administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, interface administrators, bots, edit filter managers/helpers, template editors, et al.) must have a password at least 10 characters in length. All accounts must have a password:

1. At least 8 characters in length
2. Not in the 100,000 most popular passwords (defined by the Password Blacklist library)
3. Different from their username

User accounts not meeting these requirements will be prompted to update their password accordingly. More information is available on MediaWiki.org.

• Blocked administrators may now block the administrator that blocked them. This was done to mitigate the possibility that a compromised administrator account would block all other active administrators, complementing the removal of the ability to unblock oneself outside of self-imposed blocks. A request for comment is currently in progress to determine whether the blocking policy should be updated regarding this change.
• {{Copyvio-revdel}} now has a link to open the history with the RevDel checkboxes already filled in.

Arbitration

• Following the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: AGK, Courcelles, GorillaWarfare, Joe Roe, Mkdw, SilkTork.

Miscellaneous

• Accounts continue to be compromised on a regular basis. Evidence shows this is entirely due to the accounts having the same password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately.
• Around 22% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 20% in June 2018. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless of whether you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

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Fulfilled request concerning Rocher de la Tournette

@Nick Moyes: I am notifying you that I have completed your move request concerning Rocher de la Tournette. MarkZusab (talk) 01:55, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Teahouse

Sorry for deleting your change at Teahouse, I think I've restored everything. RhinosF1 (talk) 09:45, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

No worries. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:49, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Recently created accounts

Hi Nick, is there any page on Wikipedia which shows the list of recently created accounts?Betour13 (talk) 13:46, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Betour13 Sorry for the delay in replying to you. Yes, you can see a list of all new user accounts at Special:Log/newusers. You can use this to both check for inappropriate account names, and to identify new editors and send them a welcoming message. This can really help make new editors feel welcome here (I shall be sending you one in a few minutes, myself!). Just bear in mind that most accounts are never actually used, so only welcome active editors whose 'contribs' link is blue, not red. Likewise, no need to report to accounts to WP:UAA unless they, too, have actually edited. There are some guidance links there on username policy and how UAA works. (I'm guessing this is why you asked your question). You seem to have dived into a lot of helpful administrative work since you joined us in late December. How are you finding it? And have you tried The Wikipedia Adventure yet? There are 15 badges to be gained as you tour the universe and gain useful Wikipedia skills. Feel free to ask any further questions you may have, though you will, of course, get a faster response by posting at the Teahouse where lots of volunteers are on standby to answer calls for assistance. Best wishes from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:04, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

You are right Nick, I wanted the list of newcomers to check whether there username is with policy or not. I will only report them to WP:UAA if they have edited and if there username is against policy. I am finding it very nice on Wikipedia but haven't tried The Wikipedia Adventure yet. I mainly improve sports related articles and do Anti-Vandalism works here.Betour13 (talk) 10:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-03

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now use Google Translate in the content translation tool. [4][5]
• You can now add captions to files on Commons. Captions are short descriptions of the file. They can be translated to all languages we use. They can't use wikitext markup.
• Earlier a quoted HTML attribute had to be followed by a space. Now it doesn't. This means that some pages could look different when you save them even if you didn't edit that part of the text. [6][7]
• Templates with could not show the difference between the live template and the sandbox version when they were tested. This has now been fixed. has a new wrapper parameter now. You can use it for selectors like .mw-parser-output <wrapper parameter value> <selector from CSS page>. [8]

Problems

• When you see an edit in the recent changes feed or in the history of a page some of them have tags. Some tags are added automatically. You can also add tags manually. Tags for edits that have been added manually can be edited. This didn't work for a little while. This has now been fixed. [9]

Changes later this week

• You can move files from your wiki to Wikimedia Commons and keep the file history with the new FileExporter. It will be a beta feature on all wikis from 16 January. If you want to test it you activate it and check your wiki's configuration file.
• Users who could cause more damage to the wikis if someone took over their account have to have more secure passwords. This includes administrators and other user groups. They can't use passwords that are in a list of common passwords. Accounts with common passwords are easy to take over. The list of common passwords was made longer a few weeks ago and has a different error message. Some user groups have been added to those who can't use common passwords. This is to protect all accounts with user rights that could cause damage. [10]
• The AbuseFilter variable minor_edit has been removed. It was deprecated in 2016. Now you can't use it. You can fix the filters using it. You can find them if you use the search bar on Special:AbuseFilter.
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from January 15 17:54, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #026, 20 Jan 2019

Well, here's the first issue of the new year. Enjoy...

New participants

A hearty welcome to new arrivals to the portals department:

• Emoteplump
• Pakieditor
• CASSIOPEIA
• Venomous Sniper
• DannyS712

Harvesting categories tool prototype

DannyS712 has created a user script prototype, User:DannyS712/Cat links, that can pull members from a category, a functionality we've been after since the project's revamp last Spring. Now, it's a matter of applying this technique to scripts that will place the items where needed, such as with a section starter script and/or portal builder script.

New portals since last issue

1. Academic publishing
2. Accounting
3. Adam and Eve
4. African Great Lakes
5. Al Green
6. Alternative views
7. America's Next Top Model
8. Andaman and Nicobar Islands
9. Angles
10. Applied mathematics
11. Arabic
12. Areas of mathematics
13. Atlanta metropolitan area
14. Atlantic Ocean
15. Big Bash League
16. Bijelo Dugme
17. Bill Cosby
18. Boats
19. Bombardier Aerospace
20. Bruce Willis
21. Canadian law
22. Cannons
23. Caribbean American
24. Chinese American
25. Chinese Canadians
26. Chinese gardens
27. Chris Brown
28. City
29. Common law
30. Criminal law
31. Czechoslovakia
32. Data
33. Data warehouses
34. DC Comics
35. Deities
36. DeKalb County
37. Destiny's Child
38. Differential equations
39. Discrete geometry
40. East Asia
41. Economy of China
42. Economy of India
43. Economy of Malaysia
44. Economy of the United Kingdom
45. Ellen DeGeneres
46. Email clients
47. E
48. Equations
49. European Americans
50. Filipino Americans
51. Football in Algeria
52. Fox Corporation
53. Fractions and ratios
54. Functional analysis
55. Game theory
56. Girlguiding
57. Gloucestershire
58. Grazhdanskaya Oborona
59. Greek diaspora
60. Habsburg Monarchy
61. Hilbert's problems
62. Hoodoo Gurus
63. Hyundai Motor Company
64. Iggy Azalea
65. Indian Ocean
66. Infinity
67. Information theory
68. Integrals
69. Irish diaspora
70. Irrational numbers
71. Italian diaspora
72. Japanese diaspora
73. J. Cole
74. Jennifer Lopez
75. Jessica Lange
76. John Fogerty
77. Kehlani
78. Kiev
79. K. Michelle
80. Knot theory
81. Kool & the Gang
82. Lakes in China
83. Lake Van
84. Leonardo DiCaprio
85. Limerick
86. Literary composition
87. Long Island Rail Road
88. Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority
89. Lukas Graham
90. Mathematical optimization
91. Matt Damon
92. Merchant ships
93. Metallic means
94. Metro-North Railroad
95. Microsoft Windows
96. Military of India
97. Miss America
98. Modulation
99. Moon landing
100. Mozilla
101. Music of Ireland
102. Narratives
103. Nashville
104. Nassau County
105. Norfolk
106. Nottinghamshire
107. One Life to Live
108. Overseas Chinese
109. Percentages
110. Probability distributions
111. Public Broadcasting Service
112. Quezon City
113. Raven-Symoné
114. R. Kelly
115. Rodeo
116. RuneScape
117. Sarah Silverman
118. Saturn rockets
119. Science and technology
120. Sesame Street
121. Seth MacFarlane
122. Ships
123. Shipwrecks
124. Shropshire
125. Spaceports
126. Space suits
127. Spanish diaspora
128. Steam locomotives
129. Suffolk
130. Suzuki
131. Tanks
132. Tensors
133. The CW
134. Thomas Aquinas
135. T.I.
136. TISM
137. Tom Cruise
138. Toni Braxton
139. Toyota
140. Transportation in the Philippines
141. True Blood
142. Violin
143. Virgin Group
144. Vladimir Putin
145. Volkswagen
146. Volume
147. Warner Bros.
148. Warships
149. Warwickshire
150. Washington D.C.
151. [[Portal:Watercraft|
152. Web syndication
153. Wikis
154. Witchcraft
155. Women's sports
156. World of Warcraft

What else is going on

There have been some discussions at Wikipedia talk:Portal guidelines.

DreamyJazz is working on a bot to place links to portals on root articles, category pages, and navigation footer templates.

Portal bugs are getting dealt with soon after they are reported.

Lots of wikignome activity (using Hotcat, etc.).

Keep up the good work.    — The Transhumanist   08:31, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

• Some people did not get last week's issue of Tech News. This was because of a problem with MassMessage. If you did not get last week's issue, you can read it on Meta. [11]

Recent changes

• The content translation tool can now use version 2 as the default version for users who turned on the beta feature. For example it adds the tracking category Pages with unreviewed translations to translations that might have used machine translations without fixing the problems. This is so others can find them. You can find this category in Special:TrackingCategories on Wikipedias.
• https://mediawiki2latex-large.wmflabs.org can now convert collects of up to 800 pages to PDF, EPUB or ODT. Previously this was 200 pages.

Problems

• When a template was edited with the visual editor, it would sometimes put all information on one line. This makes it difficult to read for editors who use the wikitext editor. It also makes it more difficult to see what happened in a diff. This problem affected edits made between 8 and 17 January and is now fixed. [12]
• MassMessage is used to post a message to many pages. It has not been working reliably. Some messages have not been posted to everyone. [13][14]
• Because of a database problem that had to be fixed immediately you could not edit most wikis for a couple of minutes on 17 January (UTC). This has now been fixed. [15]

Changes later this week

• You will be able to use template styles in the Module namespace. [16]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 January. It will be on all wikis from 24 January (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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20:36, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you for always being so kind to users, both new and experienced. I especially appreciate all the work you do at the Teahouse. You clearly have the project and its contributors' best interests at heart. Thanks again for all you do and keep up the good work. SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 04:09, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia module

Hi Nick! You may or may not remember me from the marvellous help you gave us last year at Derby with our editathon? I've tried emailing you, but I may not have an up to date email address. Basically, we're doing an entire publishing for Publishing students structured around Wikipedia, and I was wondering if you were interested in coming along? There's a course page for it - Outreach_Dashboard/University_of_Derby/5PU506_Content_Development_(January_2019) - and we can pay you this time! CBDerbyLib (talk) 15:36, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi User:Cbderbylib. Yes, I do indeed remember, Caroline, it was a fun day, and great to be involved. I'm sorry I missed your message. I'm afraid I haven't been monitoring my emails very much recently as I have limited computer access whilst involved in a massive house renovation project since the autumn. But the dust has almost settled (literally) on that one, and I hope to return to a more normal life soon.

Ooo - the module sounds very interesting, and I would happily get involved if you'd like me to. When I saw your post late last week I didn't think that you had put any content into the page you had linked to. However, on checking your user contributions this morning, I realised you had given me the wrong link. (Should have been: Wikipedia:Outreach Dashboard/University of Derby/5PU506 Content Development (January 2019)). I see the course is starting on 29th (tomorrow), so let me know what input you might still like from me. I'm guessing general support. I'm best reached urgently either by a post to this page, or to my mobile phone. I won't post the latter here. (I have just dug out your email and see you'd like editing input on 5th February (I think I can do that) so will reply in full there). Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi, Nick. Just came here to say thank you really. I asked a question about the page Long Tall Sally on the Teahouse page last year, and you were really friendly and kind to help me. If it wern't for you, I might have been scared away by the other editors and quitted editing. In the discussion, you mentioned something about my user page, and I've just got the time to create one. Hope you'll like it! (p.s. I am not a native speaker, so maybe this message is a bit weird to read?)James Booker fan (talk) 14:24, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, James Booker fan. Thank you for letting me know how you've got on - I really appreciate your feedback. Unfortunately, other editors can sometimes come across as a bit scary - even if they don't mean it. But everyone at the Teahouse tries to be as welcoming as we can. To be honest, no, I couldn't tell English was not your native language - your post reads just fine to me. Where are you from then, and what is your native tongue? You might like to add an infobox to state which languages you do speak. And maybe you might one day be interested in helping out at WP:Translation. Keep up the good work! Nick Moyes (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Nick. Thank you for saying my post reads fine. I'm from the city of Guangzhou in southern China. My native tongue is Mandarin, but I can speak a little bit of Cantonese and Chaoshan dialect as well. WP:Translation looks really interesting to me, but I'm afraid the Chinese Wikipedia is currently blocked in Mainland China (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Wikipedia#China). You can ask me anything about China if you're interested. James Booker fan (talk) 15:43, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Question

Template:NickMoyes Hello Nick please update me if you could read my message. Thank you in advanceMunichlife (talk) 14:49, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid your the post on your talk page failed to ping me correctly, nor did your post here work either. I will answer you on your own talkpage shortly. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 11:48, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #027, 28 Jan 2019

Portal styles

For a visually intensive portal, see Portal:Hummingbirds.

If you find any other portals that stand out, please send me the links so I can include them in the next issue. Thank you.

Conversion continues

There are about 1100 portals left in the old style, with subpages and static excerpts. As those are very labor intensive to maintain (because their maintenance is manual), all those except the ones with active maintainers (about 100) are slated for upgrade = approximately 1000. We started with 1500, and so over a quarter of them have been processed so far. That's good, but at this rate, conversion will take another 3 years. So, some automation (AWB?) is in order. We just need to keep at it, and push down on the gas pedal a bit harder.

You can find the old-style portals with an insource search of "box portal skeleton".

Flagship portals: the portals on the Main Page

Speaking of upgrades...

The following portals are listed in the header at the top of Wikipedia's Main Page, and get far more traffic than all other portals:

1. Portal:Arts
2. Portal:Biography
3. Portal:Geography
4. Portal:History
5. Portal:Mathematics
6. Portal:Science
7. Portal:Society
8. Portal:Technology

Of those, all but one have been revamped to an automated self-updating single-page design.

The remaining one, Portal:Mathematics has manual maintainers, and has been partially upgraded.

As these are our flagship fleet, they need to be kept in top-notch condition.

Check 'em out, and improve them if you can.

And be sure they are on your watchlist.

New portals since last issue

• Accomack County
• Adair County
• Adair County
• Adams County
• Adidas
• Airbus
• Americas
• Bangladesh Armed Forces
• Bedfordshire
• Bicycles
• Boeing
• Chester County
• Conspiracy theories
• Corals
• County Durham
• Culture of the United States
• DC Universe
• Dragons
• Economy of Pakistan
• Electricity
• Ethnic groups
• European Union law
• Fatimid Caliphate
• Flanders
• Frederick County
• Fujian
• German language
• Global issues
• Greek mathematics
• Grisons
• Guangxi
• Hebei
• Henan
• Herefordshire
• History of North America
• Hollywood
• Hubei
• Hunan
• Hybrid
• Inner Mongolia
• Jet engines
• Jiangsu
• Johor
• Johor Bahru
• Julius Caesar
• Kuala Lumpur
• Lake Constance
• Lee Kuan Yew
• Lufthansa
• Lunar eclipses
• Magnetism
• Menstrual cycle
• Mustelids
• Mutations
• New York University
• Nord-du-Québec
• North Africa
• PepsiCo
• Pitcairn Islands
• Podcasting
• Quantum electrodynamics
• Quantum mechanics
• Rawalpindi
• Réunion
• Roads in Pakistan
• Rockefeller Center
• Sichuan
• St. Gallen
• State University of New York
• Temperature
• Tsunamis
• Veterinary medicine
• Vorarlberg
• Walgreens
• Walmart
• Weasels
• Xinjiang
• Yunnan

Keep 'em coming!

Deorphanizing the new portals

As you know, thousands of the new portals are orphans, that is, having no links to them from article space. For all practical purposes, that means they are not part of the encyclopedia yet, and readers will be unlikely to find them.

What is needed are links to these portals from the See also sections of the corresponding root articles.

Dreamy Jazz to the rescue...

Dreamy Jazz has created a bot to place the corresponding category link to the end of each portal (if it is missing), and place a link to each portal in the See also section of the corresponding root articles.

That bot, named User:Dreamy Jazz Bot, is currently in its trial period performing the above described edits!

To take a look at the edits it has made so far, see Special:Contributions/Dreamy_Jazz_Bot.

It shouldn't be long before the bot is processing the entire set of new portals.

Good news indeed.

Way to go, Dreamy Jazz!

And, that's a wrap

That's all I have to report this time around.

No doubt there will be more to tell soon.

Until then,    — The Transhumanist   13:13, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

A goat for you!

Butt 'em hard. Butt 'em often. But 'em a Large number of your choice.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:37, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Errm, thank you. Now I know how Roger Federer felt after winning Wimbledon for the first time. Guess I'm gonna have to milk this one for all its worth. Say cheese! Nick Moyes (talk) 09:51, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Question from Teahouse

Hi Nick, thanks for the reply. Not sure how to reply comment in the tea room thread? I'm teaching myself how to use this software and trying to get my first post approved. Have been using the script from other pages to teach me how to lay everything out and add citations, etc. It's been a long journey. I'm impressed by how invested the community are in keeping a check on things. Do you have any tips or advice as to how I could perfect the current post for approval? would really appreciate it. thanks, j — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradise lost 90 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Paradise lost 90. To answer any post, just start a new line, adding one more colon than the previous editor used (if any) at the start of their replies. The colon, you see, is a command for indenting text.

Like this

or even this

Anyway, when you refer to "current post", I take it you mean your current draft article at Draft:Fredrikson Stallard? I was confused, because what I'm adding in reply to your post on my talk page, is also termed "a post". For the latter, always please add four keyboard tildes (like this ~~~~) which signs and dates every post. And always click the "add topic" tab to start a new discussion thread as this places talk page posts at the bottom of every page, which is convention. (I have moved yours down, btw).

I've just waded quickly through your draft (waded being the operative word!). My advice is strip it right back. It's full of what my art gallery colleagues used to lovingly call "art-bollocks", and is typical writing for someone who is trying to promote a product, or simply copying off the company website. These are usually stuffed full of puffery, peacock and promo terms, and yours is no exception. e.g.: "Their practice operates as an artist’s studio with a linear vocabulary from contextual thought...". My sense is that you might be writing this for profit, or work for the gallery in some way. Are you? If so, you must declare your connection by following both our WP:PAID and our WP:COI policies. Because this is an encyclopaedia, topics have to be notable. You are writing about a company, not two people, so you must re-read WP:NCOMPANY to see what references you need. I'd cut out all the waffle and trivial detail in between, and simply establish notability for the Studio before you go any further. In other words, what have independent sources written in detail about this studio? There are plenty of feedback comments on your draft from Theroadislong, and others.

To learn the basics of editing and references, why not try out The Wikipedia Adventure which offers a tour of the basics of editing. Both of our editing tools (Visual Editor and the source editor) have a "Cite" button. Do ensure you carefully complete all the fields and preview your changes before publishing (saving) them. It helps to ensure good sources. You article simply had too many for me to want to carefully wade through them; I suspect others doing WP:AFC might feel the same. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:01, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Nick Moyes. hopefully thid works? I am not being paid or affiliated with Fredrikson Stallard, I am just trying to get my first post published and introduce myself to the wiki community. It's proving harder than expected but i am learning a lot about tone and citations, etc. I have edited your feedback - what do you think?

@Paradise lost 90: Your post worked, but you forgot to sign it! Had it not been on my own page, I wouldnt have got any notification. We need to include a username and a signature at the same time to trigger an alert. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:19, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Nick Moyes. Thanks for telling me. I’ve done some work on the page - what do you think? I looked at anish Kapoors Wiki and they talk a lot about his work there, so I’m just trying to understand how to find the right balance... I’ve scaled back as suggested and removed elecments Paradise lost 90 (talk) 19:19, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

@Paradise lost 90:I think a lot more scaling down is still needed. By way of demonstration I have trimmed the lead and the first section (which I have also renamed). What do you think? From hereon in I won't 'ping' you if I reply to any further posts from you here. Convention here is that if you post on another person's talk page, you add that page to your own WP:WATCHLIST and monitor for changes that way. Hope this makes sense. Revert my edits to the draft if you don't like them. I'm not sure if I accidentally implied they live together, or whether that's the reality. Please check which is correct! And don't foget to indent each response by one increment.Nick Moyes (talk) 20:59, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Nick Moyes. Thanks for helping but I am trying to figure out how to reverse your changes? I have been following the artist layout for Gilbert and George and most artists seems to use a similar chapter layout. I don’t want to have a founders section. Will see what I can do to cut it down further but I’m just slightly confused since it all seems very subjective based on what each editor thinks - having read the Gilbert and George and anish opportunity goes I don’t see what is different between the text I have written and what theirs say, etc

Paradise lost 90 (talk) 19:19, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

It's you're choice; I must leave it to you now. Just go to the View History tab and find the rows showing the latest edit. Find yours and mine, and select the version you want to revert to. Just remember that you're writing about a studio, not two people. That's how I interpreted your lead paragraph. Oh, and sign right at the end of the last line, not on a new line, as in a letter. I've corrected the indents, too. Don't forget that, either. It makes communicating easier. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:37, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Promotion

Hello. I see that you frequently respond about promotional articles at the Teahouse. I nominated Will Gray for deletion. The author has made some comments about the article on his talk page and then emailed me directly for feedback. Vanishingrabbit is probably Will Gray. Would you mind answering him; I know you have all the right things to say to a novice at your fingertips. Thanks. MB 22:29, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm assuming there was nothing inappropriate in the direct email? You didn't suggest there was. I'll take a look, but would comment that, if proven, possibly Inner Magic Circle membership could possibly go towards notability (never had to consider that before). Also surprised COI or PAID has never been raised with them. A clear SPA, I'd say. Might not be able to reply to them today - but will see what I can do in as diplomatic a way as possible. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:19, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Nothing inappropriate in the email. He left "messages" without pings that did not cause a response, so he tried emails. He has left you "messages" on his talk page now in the same way. He edited the article today and still hasn't declared a COI. This will all be moot if the AFD ends in deletion.MB

MB, Happening to come here, it is much better to make such comments without actually naming the real-life individual directly. DGG ( talk ) 00:10, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

DGG, I don't understand. I mentioned an article (Will Gray), and an editor (Vanishingrabbit) who sent me an email about that article. MB 02:19, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

I would have worded it " Vanishingrabbit is possibly the person who is the subject of the article It attracts less attention DGG ( talk ) 06:24, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

I've fallen foul of nearly/actually WP:OUTING another editor where the connection seemed so obvious it was almost impossible to conclude anything else, but have since learned to be a little more circumspect, despite those suspicions. But @DGG:, on different note, where would be the equivalent of WP:RSN to discuss a notability eligibility, other than just by general consensus at AfD? I was aware that Magic Circle has a very select and somewhat secret 'Inner Magic Circle' where the awarding of that membership honour might potentially be deemed as meeting the first point of WP:ANYBIO. Is there a venue where that could be considered, or is the Talk page of WP:NBIO the best place for it? Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:40, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

ah. my favorite topic! The place for notability to be considered is AfD. AfD can do in individual cases whatever the local immediate consensus wants to. All the guidelines it uses rely upon interpretations, and not the literal use of the stated guidelines; there are some standard ways of interpretations, and they are of different strengths. There is no way in WP of getting people to accept what they do not want to. If you want to argue for a special inner circle, you'll need some evidence. If there's nothing clear that you can point to , you are not likely to succeed on that sort of argument.

The best course of action if something is not accepted there is to wait and try again later, usually about 6 months later. Beyond that, all that can be done is to look for a wider consensus. The next step up from AfD is Deletion Review, which can sometimes get quite a wide audience. If the case is going to be unclear, I advise against it, because a loss there can be harmful to a later decision. I usually recommend working by interpretations and exceptions, rather than changing formal rules. Changing rules is difficult, and deceptive, because even if changed, nobody is obliged to follow them. But if you wanted to change a notability criterion, the usual place is WT:N. But I advise you on the basis of my experience not to do this for what amounts to a special case. Special cases are always best handled by interpretation and exceptions. Rules changes are only worthwhile when it's a general matter , or something which occurs frequently, and it's something where you can expect to get people to care, . and when you are prepared for losing the first few times, and it taking years to accomplish anything substantial. If, as you imply, it's not a formal membership, but something semi-secret, I'd advise against trying.

More specifically, there are many areas where we accept certain organizations or awards or memberships as implying or even proving notability; either they are ones where there is general agreement among everyone interested, as WP:PROF, but in other fields it can take a long while to establish, and a long while to change. DGG ( talk ) 05:27, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for that considered reply, DGG. It was what I thought, but I wanted to ask it on behalf of Vanishingrabbit, who I'm pinging, so that he's aware of how we roll. So, in essence, we leave it up to the individual "Deletion Discussion" to asses notability, except in the case of very special honours such as academic awards, fellowships or prizes. Demonstrating that any award or membership itself is exceptional might help at that discussion, but can't be discussed elsewhere to then be applied globally across Wikipedia. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:23, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Getty royalty free images

Hi Nick, Greetings to you. I tried to find info on free copyright images which I would upload into WikiCommon and wonder if images from Getty royalty free images -see here [17] or [18] are acceptable in Wikipedia/would the images considered CC-BY-SA? Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 11:16, 1 February 2019 (UTC)-

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! No, no, no nooo! Don't even think of it!!!! A quick look at that site indicates that you can buy an image for multiple uses without having to pay royalties each time you use it for a different purpose. (Normally you pay for one specified use, like a calendar or a book or a postcard, but aren't normally licenced to use it in another format without paying another fee.) I think this system makes you pay once, and you're licenced to use that image in different formats. Even assuming you want to pay for the original image, they wouldn't be transferring their copyright over to you, nor are they releasing it to you under a free licence for any other company to use for free. (licence).That would soon destroy their business model. So, steer well clear of that one. But thanks for asking. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Nick for the quick response and that was my thought as well but just to check with you to confirm. Thank you and cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 11:36, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Appreciate inspirational response

Thank you, Nick Moyes, for your most helpful response to my Teahouse question about use of primary sources, and also the welcome that my students would receive if they need assistance. This week they are evaluating an existing article in their sandboxes, and adding a question to the article's talk page. They will start researching and drafting some content next week, and I will suggest they consider the Teahouse at that point. As for the collection in the Fashion Institute of Technology's archives, I will see what I can do about passing on the publication suggestion and perhaps helping to add pictures to Wikimedia Commons. I am an academic librarian, and hope to raise the awareness in my university's library about Wikipedia participation, so local archival collections might be a good place to begin, particularly if the library faculty in special collections are able to assist. I'd also like to explore the idea of a possible Wikipedia Visiting Scholar, if the library administration is amenable. TrudiJ (talk) 18:24, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

@TrudiJ: If you pay my air fare, I'll be over in a flash!!! But seriously, thank you for your feedback. You seem to have it all under control. One very minor suggestion: if you're putting content from a genuine page into users' sandboxes for them to edit, do remember to include an edit summary attributing content to "various editors" , with a link to the page in question. (That just covers the attribution issue). Good luck, and regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Inaccurate

Dear Nick, Sorry for not explaining the changes I have made. The information I edited were incorrect. President Momoh has never been divorced. I only removed the pieces of information on the page that are not the accurate event. I hope my changes will be reinstated.

Thanks for your consideration