Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts

Guidelines for the amateur wrestlers at WP:ATH

The Wikipedia:Notability (sports) doesn't have guidelines regarding the amateur wrestlers. So, if guidelines regarding an amateur wrestler's notability for a Wikipedia article exist then they should be mentioned there. And if there hasn't been any consensus regarding such guidelines then it should be developed. I also posted a request regarding the same at the talk page of amateur wrestling but didn't get any response yet. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Need to be linked together

Category:Finnish karateka need to linked with its Finnish counterpart Luokka:Suomalaiset karatekat I tried doing it myself and failed it makes no sense the french version is linked but not the Finnish version. Dwanyewest (talk) 21:28, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Notification of RFC for Korean MOS in regard to romanization

Should we use McCune-Reischauer or Revised for topics relating to pre-1945 Korea? Those inclined, please contribute here. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Moving a stub article forward - Patrick Burris

What is the protocol for moving an article beyond stub status? I've spent a few hours cleaning up the article on Patrick Burris and humbly submit its beyond stub. Can it be classified as a new article and submitted for DYK? Thoughts? Dnforney (talk) 23:04, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Florendo Visitacion

Is he notable? His article was deleted twice and created three times, but his obituary was in the NY Times. That seems like proof of notability.Jakejr (talk) 01:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Article about the state of martial arts in Hong Kong

Hi guys!

Here is an article about the state of martial arts in Hong Kong:

• Yang, Charlotte. "Exit the Dragon? Kung Fu, Once Central to Hong Kong Life, Is Waning." The New York Times. August 23, 2016. Page A4.

If anybody wants to use it, feel free!

WhisperToMe (talk) 17:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

how to find all the deleted aricles?

A bunch of famous martial art teacher articles have been deleted.

Where can I find them? Seikichi Iha Also the main practioners of Systema had articles.

The article on Iha was very good. What a waste! There must be an archive somewhere, right?

24.254.15.93 (talk) 22:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Kūdō

I just started the article Kūdō as a friend is a competitor. I myself know very little about martial arts, but it turns out the article exists in 15 languages, so... can someone help clean up the terms and spruce it up a bit? Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Teahouse question

Would someone from WPMA mind taking a look at WP:THQ#I create the page. But how I make it live? Help me please and see if this particular martial artist might be notable enough for a stand-alone article. The draft was mistakenly moved into the "Wikipedia" namespace and there also are quite a number of formatting errors, etc., all of which are fairly easily to fix if there are no notability issues. The article appears to be primarily created by two SPAs and there may be a bit of COI involved, but once again all of that can be fixed if there's sufficient significant coverage for a stand-alone article. FWIW, the subject of the article seems to have won lots of medals at international competition, but I don't know much about MMA and do not know whether this indicates Wikipedia notability. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:06, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

That article is truly a mess. It should be moved back to the proper Draft space and cleaned up a lot. No the subject did not win lots of medals - they are apparently won by people he has trained and frankly those connections aren't supported by references. It really is hard to commit to notability.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:14, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you PRehse for taking a look and posting something similar at the Teahouse. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:22, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Surely Larry Tatum is notbale?

Before I proceed I wish to know with the sources availabe is Larry Tatum notbale? [2] Dwanyewest (talk) 08:47, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

He was a fairly well known student of Ed Parker. I'm not aware of him meeting any of the criteria at WP:MANOTE, though that doesn't mean he didn't. That means it boils down to him meeting WP:GNG. It seems to me he demonstrated Kenpo techniques in a number of martial arts magazines, but I don't know if that's enough to meet GNG. Papaursa (talk) 18:45, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

New page for Martial artist

I have written this draft for a martial artist and fight choreographer for recent hollywood movies, I need some feedback on what can be improved if anything https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Australianblackbelt/sandbox (Australianblackbelt (talk) 11:04, 13 January 2017 (UTC))

Is he notable for anything besides his relationship with Downey? Papaursa (talk) 18:53, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

K.R.Ali Taekwondo Academy notability question

Would someone from WP:MARTIAL mind taking a look at this Teahouse question? Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:36, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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RFC on sports notability

An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Marcio Stambowsky up for deletion

Main page: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcio Stambowsky (2nd nomination)

Comment if you wish.★Trekker (talk) 16:47, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Recognized reliable sources

Does this project have a list of sources which are considered reliable? The pro wrestling project has one which I think is very helpful.★Trekker (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Wrestling at the 2016 Olympics

Hi, I was wondering what the F meant in the first repechage match in the Wrestling at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's Greco-Roman 59 kg article. I presume it's some sort of warning or something but it isn't explained anywhere. Red Fiona (talk) 17:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Karate Proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Wikipedia:WikiProject Karate

Dear participants of this WikiProject, I am proposing a new WikiProject Karate to bring together editors with knowledge of this art, especially due to Karate becoming an Olympic sport I think it is time to focus energy on the roughly 3500 main space articles associated with Karate. Full description of the rationale and goals can be found at the link above, please comment, discuss (and join if you support this project!) All the best, Mountain^cirque 15:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Mountain^cirque I have written some suggestions on the talk page if you are interested. Dwanyewest (talk) 16:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Comment: so the consensus at Proposals/Wikipedia:WikiProject Karate seems to be to create it as a task force under WP:WikiProject Martial arts (and listed as a connected task force of WP:WikiProject Japan. We have 8 supporters at this stage which is above the recommended amount to proceed with a project/task force so if editors here are happy we will go ahead and create the task force under this parent WikiProject. Please let us know if you have any comments before we proceed? Mountain^{cirque · Join WikiProject Karate?} 12:41, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Potential Hoax article?

I'm extremely skeptical about the current Zui quan article, alleging that 'Drunken Fist' is a real historical form of martial arts. Sources about the Jackie Chan movie of that name (Drunken Master in English) seem to suggest that this was a comedic style of martial art invented for the movie, not a respected historical tradition. The current state of referencing on the article do little to alay my suspicions, I think it's fair to doubt the reliability of most of the sources used. Would anybody be able to verify the sources, especially those cited in the 'History' section of the article? Landscape repton (talk) 11:11, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for highlighting this, I found this source (page 50/51): https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KdsDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA51&dq=drunken+eight+immortals&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix4IqwkqLVAhUBKsAKHXSsCooQ6AEIKTAB#v=onepage&q=drunken%20eight%20immortals&f=false

Which seems to corroborate your idea that this is a 'form' not a style or art, one used for entertainment purposes (maybe a little like WWE). I am leaning towards a rewrite and full reference check rather than a delete. Mountain^{cirque · Join the Karate Task Force?} 14:40, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

This is a hard one to pick apart, here is another magazine article claiming that it goes back to 1100 CE: [3]. It may take some work to pick this one apart and some Kung Fu experts (I am a Karate person myself mainly)... Mountain^{cirque · Join the Karate Task Force?} 14:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

• I am not a wushu expert, but some I know have taught a drunken form to a few of their top students. I have never heard any of them claim it is what most of us would call a style. Papaursa (talk) 01:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at NSPORTS

Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | ^{talk page} 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

What about Master Sken?

I was thinking surely Master Sken is notable as was in Batman and considered an important figure in bring Muay Thai to the UK. Dwanyewest (talk) 22:36, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Lama (martial art) needs help

Hey folks -- I came across Lama (martial art) today. It is an absolute mess of weird tone, deadlink citations, promotion of the primary author's Angelfire page, and overall bloat. I am tempted to take it to AfD for a WP:TNT but I wanted to consult with the subject matter experts first to see if someone had access to better sources than me. Is this actually a notable subject? Kung-fu strikes me as a topic that is full of minor offshoots of dubious legitimacy/notability.

Any guidance you have for me would be greatly appreciated. A Train^talk 07:44, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Actually, all of martial arts "is full of minor offshoots of dubious legitimacy/notability." An admittedly quick scan of the article's sources leaves me feeling there's a lack of significant independent coverage. Barring any dissenting views, I'd say go ahead and put it up for Afd. That act often leads to clarificantions and/or additional sources being found. I don't see how it could hurt. Papaursa (talk) 20:13, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Martial_arts

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod ^talk 17:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

What about these techniques?

Should the Crane kick and Brazilian kick have their own articles I think the crane kick is worthy of an article. Dwanyewest (talk) 10:31, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

What about Ernest Lieb?

Does Ernest Lieb fit the notability criteria as I found out he was head of the American Karate AAU board surely that would count as making him noteworthy.Dwanyewest (talk) 01:49, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't see that heading the AAU board automatically makes him notable. He was well-known, but that's not sufficient to show notability. It does mean, however, that there may be coverage of him that would meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

template question

At the top of this page is a template for using catscan to search for martial arts articles that were recently created. It doesn't work and I was wondering if anyone knew why or, more importantly, has an easy way to search for those articles. Papaursa (talk) 01:18, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

It has not worked for a long time - I use the New Article option on the Main Project Page (it does the same thing).PRehse (talk) 09:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Which shows how much I've cut back my WP editing. I also used to use that template to search for martial arts articles tagged for notability issues. Anyone have any suggestions for how I can do that now? Papaursa (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Dojo vs. Dōjō

Was wondering in the context of martial arts whether the macronless "dojo" or the macroned "dōjō" is more commonly used. The article Dojo was recently moved to Dōjō (without any discussion that I can find) because the word is of Japanese origin. Similar page moves were made by the same editor for other "words of Japanese origin" like the one being discussed at Talk:Shogi#Shōgi, so perhaps this page move might also need discussion as well. I was going to file a request at WP:RMTR to have the page moved back as an "undiscussed" move, but I figured I'd ask for feedback from this WikiProject first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:50, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

A dōjō (道場) is a place to train, whereas a dojo (泥鰌) is an eel. TheDoctorX (talk) 00:22, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

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Full contact organisations?

Karate Combat is a full contact karate organisation by the WKF does it deserve an article? Dwanyewest (talk) 20:25, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

These are good sources [4][5][6][7] [8]Dwanyewest (talk) 09:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Add 'Official' Record link to Martial Artist InfoBox

I would like to suggest that athlete's official records be linked from here. Mixed Martial Arts LLC which owns and operates mixedmartialarts.com is the Official Record Keeper for the Association of Boxing Commissions. It is the only database for which event results are required to be submitted by state, tribal, and provincial commission to be included as official.

For example: https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/fighter/Fabricio-Werdum:584DB7540A5C83D4

It also has an active suspension state for athletes currently under medical or administrative suspensions.

The Association of Boxing Commissions recently released a vow of support on their website for this effort as well:

http://www.abcboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/abc-support-mma-wiki.pdf

Happy to answer any questions.

12:09, 29 October 2018 (UTC)pqMMA

• Oppose There's enough North American bias in how we adjudicate martial arts records without making it worse. Simonm223 (talk) 12:39, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

• Reply I am of course not familiar with the adjudication of MMA records here on Wiki, my point being that MMA athletes already have links to both Sherdog and BoxRec, neither of which are official, therefore are not scrutinized for accuracy by any authority such as the grouping of states, tribal, and athletic commissions in North America but is growing to include international commissions as well.

Additionally neither of these sources include active suspension information of athletes, something of paramount safety to athletes competing.

20:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)pqMMA

Naming conventions for Olympic wrestling articles

Please chip in at the wrestling at the Summer Olympics talk page if you have thoughts on the matter. Schwede66 18:58, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

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Marie-Eve Dicaire

There's something weird going on there, because if she won her first (karate) title at 18, this was in 2004. It's not that long ago, but I can find no record of a win at the 2004 World Karate Championships by her, or indeed at ANY edition of that competition at all. Every single mention is either from the Yvon Michel promotion material or a source that's clearly parroting that.

this article mentions a world championship at DisneyWorld in november 2008, and Dicaire is cited as a former champion. this is clearly not a WKF competition (the World Championship was in Tokyo that year), so what is actually involved is probably some form of Kenpo or full contact karate, possibly even kickboxing.

Clearly Yvon Michel Group is using "Karate" very loosely for promotional purposes, and Dicaire probably does have some titles, just not the ones people would assume from their material. I'm not particularly knowledgeable in martial arts, so I really wouldn't know where to look to figure out what's really being talked about. Circéus (talk) 19:07, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry Circeus for not responding sooner, but I've cut my WP editing way back. She's notable as a boxer, not as any other kind of martial artist. The reference you give doesn't say she was a champion that year, rather it says the new champion is like her. DisneyWorld is home to many martial arts "world championships" from a lot of organizations. Most of them do not carry much, if any, significance and are geared to kids. Note the article you referenced says Canada won something like 136 medals and most of the competitors mentioned are children. In addition, the WP article doesn't really mention her karate except for claiming titles on her own web page. She's not even listed in any karate categories, which I think is indicative of her karate achievements. Of course, there's no question she's WP notable as a boxer. Papaursa (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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requests

• chidaoba (ru:Чидаоба,ka:ქართული ჭიდაობა) important for Sambo
• Parikaoba (ru:Парикаоба) – traditional Caucasian fencing with shashka and buckler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.143.22.74 (talk) 05:44, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship is so big some templates are not showing

I've opened a discussion at Talk:ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship#This article is so big it is causing technical problems. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:47, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Darryn Melerine

I came across this draft via WP:THQ#Help with article, and it doesn’t seem as if the subject meets WP:GNG or WP:BIO. I am, however, wondering if there a WP:SNG specifically for martial artists that he might meet. The editor creating the article has declared a WP:COI and is also likely subject to WP:PAID as well; so, if an article (even a stub) can be created, they are not really the best the person to do so. Perhaps, someone from this WikiProject could at least clarify what kinds of things generally make a martial artist Wikipedia notable. — Marchjuly (talk) 23:08, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Chinese and Vietnamese versions of the gun and the jian

This dispute resolution is regarding similarities of the Chinese and Vietnamese versions of the gun and the jian. SpinnerLaserz (talk) 03:18, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Notability of national taekwondo federation

Is a national taekwondo sports organization notable, if it a member of the international federation governing the sport which is a member of the Association of Summer Olympic International Federations? See Draft:Israel Taekwondo Federation. Thanks. --2604:2000:E010:1100:3078:18A6:187C:8568 (talk) 04:55, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Jeong Yim

Could someone with some expertise in this area (I know nothing about it) please look at Jeong Yim, which has had a mass of unsourced + PoV edits - thanks - Arjayay (talk) 14:58, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

ARTICLE REQUEST: 6 time BJJ World Champion Paulo Sergio Santos

Hello, I would like to request your help in creating an article on 6-time Brazilian jiu Jitsu world champion Paulo Sergio Santos. I've filed the request for an article under Sports -> martial arts in requests, but I was wondering if you'd have the time to help kick it off and create the initial page? In the request, there are several useful links including: https://www.instagram.com/paulosergiobjj/?hl=en https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/paulo-sergio https://www.bjjee.com/interview/highest-ranked-black-belt-in-france-paulo-sergio-santos-we-must-be-an-example-for-our-students/ http://www.psphoenixbjj.com/?page_id=6 https://www.amazon.com/Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-Alliance-Standing-Techniques/dp/B00EWJ407Y I would write it myself, but I have a conflict of interest since I have trained with him before and therefore I'm not impartial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BasicsOnly (talk • contribs) 23:45, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help with draft article on Pedro Sauer

I am trying to create a new Wikipedia entry for Jiu-Jitsu instructor Pedro Sauer. I believe that given his relationship with the Gracies, his rank and the respect he has within the sport, the success of some of his former students as well as the size of his organization make him notable enough to warrant the creation of a Wikipedia page. That being said, he had an article prior to my attempt which was deleted. I am looking for anybody that would be interested in improving this article to ensure that it has the greatest chance of being approved. Thank you in advance. You can read what I have so far, here. Asm20 (talk) 20:10, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Abandoned user draft with wrestling tables

I came across User:Emilysilver1990. Please assess whether any of it can be used. – Fayenatic London 21:49, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Cheick Sidibé

Should this draft be accepted or rejected and why? Thanks for any input you can provide! Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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Karate Association of Darbhanga

Could some member(s) from this WP:MARTIAL take a look at this and assess it? There is some formatting/MOS cleanup that is needed, but it’s not clear if the organization is notable. At first glance, meeting WP:NORG looks a bit iffy, but perhaps there is some notability criterion for martial arts related organizations which is being met. There might also be some COI editing involved, but that can be sorted out if that’s really the case. For reference, I came across this at WP:THQ#How to index Article page in Google search. In addition, the article didn’t go through WP:AFC. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:23, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding Draft:Aniket Gupta as well since it appears it’s also going to be moved to the mainspace by one of the involved editors without going through AFC. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:42, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

I looked at both of these articles and am inclined to say I don't think either of them look particularly notable. The Karate Association article needs to have sources on articles that are about it, not just showing that the association exists or runs competitions. As for Aniket Gupta, a world ranking of 150th is a long way from showing notability and I found nothing to show he's ever competed at the highest level. An appearance at the 2007 junior and cadet world championships doesn't show notability. His best shot at notability may be to find articles that show he meets WP:GNG. Of course, other editors may have different opinions. Please note that I didn't search for sources, I just looked at what was in the articles and at Gupta's record at the WKF website. Papaursa (talk) 23:32, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a look at these Papaursa. Apparently the creator(s) of both the aforementioned article and draft have been blockd per WP:SOCK. Both the article and draft have been tagged for speedy deletion per WP:G5; so, unless someone feels they're worth keeping and wants to improve them, they are likely to be deleted fairly soon. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:26, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Felix Leong

Can someone experienced check this article out? It's more-or-less ruled by a particular user who's very keen on including poor-quality sources and details of things like non-notable students, and given his username would appear to BE one of the students... claims made about being a successor to Ip Chun aren't sourced by anything whatsoever other than a couple of articles in local news about the burning down of his school and its reconstruction, where his alleged "coming from a martial arts family", position as recognised representative of Ip Chun "in Adelaide, Australia" and so forth are provided, presumably from the article subject's own mouth. No reliable published sources, external sources, or anything I could find, and the user in charge has not responded on several occasions to queries regarding better sources. He also insists on making sure Felix Leong is mentioned at length (where no other representatives are) in- and appears in a photograph on- Ip Chun's own article, which in light of the aforementioned lack of quality sources supporting the whole situation seems rather questionable. Many thanks.