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March 11

Convert an entry

I created the entry on Thomas Adam Regelski and was not familiar with the biography layout. I now realize the biography layout would be the better choice but have not been able to figure out how to convert the entry I created into a biography page. Can you help me figure this out?

--Kruguitarz (talk) 01:31, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kruguitarz: As far as I know, we to not have any explicit sample layouts for a "biography". Take a look at several articles on similar subjects and find one whose layout you think is appropriate (Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_academic is a list of possible pages). Next, make a note of what you are about to do at Talk:Thomas Adam Regelski and add the {{under construction}} template at the top of Thomas Adam Regelski. itself. Make incremental changes to the article to bring it gradually closer to the layout you picked as an example. You will probably start by adding an "infobox", possibly {{Infobox academic}}, Then add section headings to form the articles outline, and finally move the current material into your new sections. As soon as the massive rearrangement is complete, remove the {{under construction}} from the article and note this milestone on the talk page. Remaining work can then proceed as normal editing. -Arch dude (talk) 03:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kruguitarz: You might be interested in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography, specifically the "Lead section" and "Order of events" sections.

In the Regelski article, the whole "Music as Social Praxis" seems inappropriate. The article should be about Regelski, not multiple paragraphs about social praxis. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

The long section Thomas_Adam_Regelski#Music_as_Social_Praxis appears to be an essay, with little relevance to the subject of the article. It only mentions Regelski once, in an unreferenced paragraph. Maproom (talk) 08:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Sample: A praxical mindfulness of music instead recognizes the ongoing value of musics as serving the sociality that is a central trait of humans Being human through their sociability, their social interactions with each other. I can't actually parse this sentence as a whole, yet it seems to distil Exceedingly Deep Thought. -- Hoary (talk) 13:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Publishing a profile

I want to publish on Wikipedia, the profile of a well-known educator from Pakistan. 

No profile of her exists on Wikipedia presently. I am writing one with pictures and references from published material in local (Pakistan's)newspapers and magazines and previous published and unpublished pictures on her personal achievements, awards, and citations.

What are the basic requisites for publishing on Wikipedia? To whom I should send the article (or writeup)?

Please respond back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdulazizansari (talk • contribs) 02:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Abdulazizansari Wikipedia does not have "profiles", not a single one. Wikipedia has articles. You are welcome to submit a draft article at Articles for creation, if this person meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. 331dot (talk) 02:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Abdulazizansari: please start by convincing yourself that the subject meets Wikipedia's notability requirements (WP:N). Do this before putting any effort into writing the article. If your subject is not notable we will delete your article and your efforts will be wasted. Once you are sure, take a look at several Wikipedia articles on similar educators to see what an article should look line. Then, go to WP:YFA to begin writing your article. -Arch dude (talk) 02:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

May you please inform me of any issues on the article for North Toronto Christian School?

Few other editors have edited the article for my school. I would like to make sure the article is in good shape. In the past, I removed large amounts of promotional content from the article, and took and added a photo. Can someone please help me look it over and tag any issues that are on the page, please? Thanks! Félix An (talk) 02:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Félix An: My biggest concern is that I do not see enough references of the correct sort to establish notability. Please try to find such references, or someone may come along and nominate the article for deletion. See WP:NCORP and WP:CSMN. Otherwise, it looks pretty good. However even an otherwise perfect article on a non-notable subject will eventually be deleted. -Arch dude (talk) 03:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Félix An: I've cleaned up the references a bit. Reference #4 is a dead link. Is NTCS still a member of ACSI? I don't see the school listed on https://acsiec.org/member-schools GoingBatty (talk) 04:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Redirect weirdness

I clicked on a wikilink to neotropical birds (at Towerkill) and ended up at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. That doesn't seem right at all, but I'm mostly clueless about redirects so I'm not sure how to fix it. I did adjust the link in the article to (I hope) point somewhere more logical. Can a more experienced Wikipedian fill me in on what to do about the strange redirect? If anything? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 03:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Wikignome Wintergreen: Looks like neotropical birds originally redirected to Neotropical Birds Online, an online encyclopedia project sponsored by the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. When the Neotropical Birds Online article was redirected to Cornell Lab of Ornithology in this edit, that meant that neotropical birds now leads you to Cornell Lab of Ornithology. Your edit to Towerkill looks good to me, so I've changed neotropical birds to also redirect to Neotropical realm#Endemic animals and plants, and confirmed that there are no articles that link to neotropical birds. Thanks for the report! GoingBatty (talk) 04:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! What an odd sequence of events. I'll file away how you did the redirect-switch-thing for future reference. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:56, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Wikignome Wintergreen: Neotropical birds was the original title of the former article Neotropical Birds Online. It was moved in 2009 and redirected to Cornell Lab of Ornithology in 2020. See WP:EDRED if you don't know how to edit redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you too. I mostly stick to basic copyediting, but I'm trying to slowly expand my knowledge into other, scarier areas of the Wikipedia jungle. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 13:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Undoing undiscussed move AGAIN

A user changed draft name from Super straight (sexual orientation) to Super straight without any discussion for the second time.

These changes were reverted by more experienced user yesterday and now it happened again.

Please undo this change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Super_straight

Also, another reason is that article with such a name already exists - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Straight — Preceding unsigned comment added by UkraineQueer (talk • contribs) 07:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done as requested. (The pre-existing article name differs only in capitalisation.) Maproom (talk) 11:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

hi

hello, if my edit is reverted and I think that's a mistake, how should I proceed?

For eg- the article says "However, Sides Three and Four sort of grab you by the throat." This is wrong english it should be "However, Sides Three and Four sorts of grab you by the throat." OR However, Sides Three and Four sort of grabs you by the throat.

I made changes , but it was reverted back. Also In most cases they're 10 times better." I changed it to In most cases, they're 10 times better." was reverted back.

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratss31 (talk • contribs) 14:42, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Please sign all your talk page messages with four tildes (~~~~) — See Help:Using talk pages. Thanks.

@Pratss31: immediately after you were warned on your user talk page about 4 bad edits, you made another one: [1]. Explanations on your talk page.

"Sort of grab" was 100% grammatically correct. Check the expression "sort of" in a dictionary. And it was said in a quoted sentence. If/when you think your edits were ok, the way to proceed is on your user talk page where you received the messages.

Furthermore, the top of this page says; "IMPORTANT NOTE: DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS HERE, unless they are about the help desk itself. - DVdm (talk) 15:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

DVdm you probably owe this user an apology. This is the correct place to ask questions. I found most of the "bad edits" to be at least in good faith, and a few to be suitable. However, Pratss31, if we are citing a quote, we write down (misspellings and all) for these works. I'll expand a little on your talk in a bit Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: The question was about how to proceed when one thinks someone made a mistake. It was clearly not about the help desk itself. - DVdm (talk) 15:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@Pratss31 and Lee Vilenski: Ouch! Big apologies. I thought we were on the talk page. Facepalm. - DVdm (talk) 15:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Request from Burma

         Hello from Myanmar. I am an ordinary student from Burma. The military terrorists are blocking access to Wikipedia.

That's why we can't access directly Wikipedia from Myanmar. When we access through VPN and proxy, we can't edit because of Wikipedia's policy. Please, can someone help to fix this situation?

Thanks and regards, Thura Linn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kodualzaw (talk • contribs) 14:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Kodualzaw, I'm sorry to hear that this is happening, but I'm not sure that we are capable of doing anything to address this situation. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 15:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kodualzaw. I'm not sure if we can do anything about this, but the problem is mentioned at WP:Open proxies#Rationale, and there are links in that section to a couple of pages which might help you. --ColinFine (talk) 15:21, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Kodualzaw It's not much, but perhaps Block_of_Wikipedia_in_Turkey#Circumvention can give you some inspiration. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

While I'm not sure what the exact granting practices in such cases are, users who need to use proxies to circumvent government censorship may request IP block exemption by emailing checkuser-en-wpwikipedia.org – the details are at WP:IPECPROXY. Depending on how the blocks are implemented, changing your DNS server may also work – consider using DNS over HTTPS as well. I hope this helps. --Blablubbs|talk 22:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Alan Hevesi Photograph

Good morning. The first picture that pops up in Wikipedia when you search Alan Hevesi is not Alan Hevesi it's former Eastchester Town Supervisor Jim Cavanaugh. Mr. Cavanaugh is wearing a blue coat with a brown leather lapel blue shirt with rust colored collar dark blue tie with oval designs and eyeglasses. Please remove this picture. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61unclestan (talk • contribs) 16:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

61unclestan the image was removed at 15.34, but is still showing on a Google search, which will presumably get updated at some point. TSventon (talk) 17:01, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Queen Elizabeth of Great Britain

Please note:

Queen Elizabeth is the I (first) of Great Britain and she is Queen Elizabeth ii of England ONLY. The SCOTTISH King James VI JOINED the crowns of: Scotland, Northern Ireland, England and Wales. He became JAMES the first (I). This infuriates most Scots. Scots are a Nation in their own right NOT a part or region, of England!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.188.24 (talk) 17:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Please raise this issue on the talk pages of the appropriate articles. Make specific suggestions for changes to the articles, and provide references. -Arch dude (talk) 17:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Her WP:COMMONNAME is Elizabeth II- no sources used Elizabeth I to refer to the current monarch. So that should be the article title. And nowhere in the article does it refer to her as the second Queen Elizabeth of Scotland. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Issues related to Scottish nationalism and their relationship with the UK or England will not be solved here; this is why we focus on what independent reliable sources state. If you have such sources, please do as asked above. 331dot (talk) 18:47, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

For the interest (curiosity) of any disinterested (uninvolved) bystanders, the following is extracted from our article Regnal name:

"Upon the accession, in 1952, of Elizabeth II the title Elizabeth II caused controversy in Scotland as there had never been a Scottish Elizabeth I. The Prime Minister Winston Churchill informed the British House of Commons that the practice since the Union was to use the higher numeral . . . . A legal case, MacCormick v. Lord Advocate (1953 SC 396), contested the right of the Queen to title herself Elizabeth II in Scotland, arguing that to do so would be a breach of the Act of Union. The case, however, was lost on the grounds that the pursuers had no title to sue the Crown, and also that the numbering of monarchs was part of the royal prerogative, and thus not governed by the Act of Union.

Winston Churchill suggested that British sovereigns would use either the English or the Scottish number, whichever was higher. For example, as there has been a James VII of Scotland but only a James II of England, a future King James of the United Kingdom would be James VIII."

{The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.75.168 (talk)

Hester Diamond photo gallery

Hi. I can't figure out how to arrange the photos vertically on the left side of the Hester Diamond article; I've been trying for at least an hour and my dyslexia has kicked in. Maybe you can just do it for me! Smiley face. Thank you. JSFarman (talk) 19:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

JSFarman Is this what you were going for? Frankly, I think it looked better the way you had it before. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 23:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

ONUnicorn, you were right. I enlarged them a bit and put them back at the bottom of the page. AND! Memorized your code. Thank you thank you thank you! JSFarman (talk) 02:22, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

"Criticism" paragraph

I use Wikipedia constantly and have also donated to the service frequently. Recently I have noticed a disturbing heading that seems to accompany otherwise excellent entries: the "Criticism" paragraph.

These only seem to appear when a) an individual or organization takes centrist or center-right views; or b) an individual or organization supports Biblical Christianity.

This is neither a scholarly nor an impartial approach to the sharing of knowledge. If it is necessary to have such a paragraph - and incidentally, the 'criticism' is always negative - the 'critic' should state his or her name. Also, and this should be obvious, ALL entries that deal with important individuals or organizations need a "criticism" paragraph, regardless of their position on the political or religious spectrum.

Otherwise, Wikipedia is in danger of shrinking into another leftist mouthpiece masquerading as a legitimate knowledge service.

Thank you for considering these ideas. LM, California

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.68.113 (talk) 20:00, 11 March 2021 (UTC) 

Criticism or controversy sections have long been a controversial part of some Wikipedia articles. See this page about the practice. In general, it's better to integrate negative and positive information in the article, but sometimes a dedicated section is warranted, and at any rate, the practice isn't going away soon. It also isn't limited to individuals or organizations with center right views or Christian views (I'm not sure what you mean by "Biblical Christianity"). It could be that you notice it more in those articles because you read more of those articles and are primed to notice it by the culture of persecution that has been intentionally fostered by the American right in recent years. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

There are plenty of articles with a Criticism section that are not political or religious: a quick search found Actor–network theory, Outline of Google, Environment Agency, Top Gear (series 17), Elections in Russia, Jay Leno and more. I agree that any items in the Criticism section should be accompanied by a reference that states the critic's name (or reliable source of the criticism). GoingBatty (talk) 01:55, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Is worldfootball.com reliable?

Is it reliable? Dr Salvus (talk) 20:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus, worldfootball.com do not exist or at least it redirects to a personal blog. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

worldfootball.com redirects to https://www.football-data.org/. If you mean worldfootball.net, then I believe that is reliable, and we have a template for citing from it: Template:WorldFootball.net. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Unable to remove page from draft status

Hi,

I am attempting to update a page that is in Draft Status due to paid content. Previous contributors on this page have been banned for not disclosing payments. I, however, am not being paid, have no conflict of interest with the subject at hand and am compiling the page to Wikipedia standards. Why am I still being threatened with bans and not given the opportunity to update the page? Although I am not being paid, I am willing to submit any necessary disclosures.

I understand the need to remove paid contributors in order to maintain the objectivity standards of wikipedia. What I have seen in recent days goes beyond maintaining the standards of wikipedia. Is there anything I can do to publish a page that I believe deserves to be shared with the world? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmartinkov (talk • contribs) 22:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

(Courtesy link: Draft:Spencer Moeller)

You were told when you came into IRC the other day that even if the page hadn't been edited solely by paid editors that the sourcing just plain doesn't exist. Did you not pay any sort of attention? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 22:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Mmartinkov I'm curious as to how you found the draft and/or were aware of its existence; drafts are not easy to find unless you know about them. 331dot (talk) 22:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind response. I pay attention to all individuals who respond to my inquiries.

To answer your questions:

• I came across Spencer Moeller through his youtube page. I found his journey to be inspirational and believe he is a notable figure in professional soccer.
• I would like to add new sources but was told not to make any more edits by mods. According to the chat you referenced, a newspaper article should suffice as a source. I have multiple that I would like to use as sources.

Mmartinkov (talk) 22:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mmartinkov. I'm not sure who told you not to make any more edits. Certainly you can add sources, but bear in mind that to establish notability they need to be not just reliable, but also independent, and contain significant coverage of the subject. An article in a major newspaper is usually reliable (though not necessarily a local paper), but if it is evidently based on an interview or press release, then it is not independent. I notice you have explained why you are interested in Moeller, but you haven't answered the question of how you came to find the draft. Drafts are not indexed by search engines, and within Wikipedia you won't find them unless you specifically say to search in draft space. --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

It wasn't me, though I can guess as to why he would think I said so. As I said above, this user was in wikipedia-en-help a couple days ago, wanting to get the UPE tag removed from it, so I also assessed the sources available on the draft and did a quick WP:BEFORE search. None of the sources on the draft help for notability (whether WP:N or WP:NFOOTY) and I found nothing in a Google search that would help for notability either. I advised them that even if the draft's history weren't essentially populated by paid editors that there weren't any sources, whether on the draft or elsewhere, to work with at this time. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 23:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello all. Just a note: While Mmartinkov's situation may seem a bit fishy, I encountered them earlier today at the Teahouse, where they were kindly asking for areas of Wikipedia were in need of assistance. This is the link. I believe that their intentions are true. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 23:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate the feedback and the discussion that has arisen from my case. It is one that I believe the community should be having as it refines its governance policies. As someone who has donated to Wikipedia in the past and understands the importance of keeping our platform bias free, I do not believe (legitimate) articles should permanently banned with no appeals process for a harmless transgression. Moeller's story is one that deserves to be shared - there should be a remediation process for cases like this.

To answer your questions:

• I found the page after Moeller mentioned in one of his instagram reels that his Wikipedia page had been taken down. Based on my prior experience with wikipedia, I knew it was likely placed in draft status.
• Here is a link to to a moderator threatening to ban me if I edit the page before responding to his message: User talk:Mmartinkov#March 2021
• I will update the page now - the updates will include the addition of newspaper articles on Moeller which should be deemed as reliable.

Mmartinkov (talk) 23:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

"Moeller's story is one that deserves to be shared" is rather telling of your objectives here. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 23:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

FYI, you refer to Praxidicae as a moderator. Wikipedia doesn't have formal moderators, and Praxidicae is not an administrator. Anyone on Wikipedia is free to warn anyone else about behavior they feel is inappropriate. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 23:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I have submitted evidence to arbcom based on off wiki evidence of this users paid edition status. CUPIDICAE💕 23:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Given @Praxidicae tone when posting on my user page, I assumed he was the Wikipedia Sheriff. The article we are discussing contains no opinions and I am a third party contributor. Could someone please advise me on how to contact administration or the arbcom? Mmartinkov (talk) 00:40, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

I am not a he. But no need to contact Arbcom, I’ve already done so for you. :) CUPIDICAE💕 00:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Could someone point me in the right direction? Many thanks! Mmartinkov (talk) 04:49, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mmartinkov: Having seen the off-wiki evidence, the right direction would be foundation:Terms of Use/en#4. Refraining from Certain Activities no. 7, as well as WP:PAID and WP:COVERT. That doesn't seem to be what you're looking for however – to answer your question directly: Means to contact arbcom can be found at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee#Contacting the Committee. Blablubbs|talk 14:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Update: In an unsurprising and well-timed turn of events, OP has now been blocked for UPE. Blablubbs|talk 14:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

With that addressed and given the only non-UPE edits are by MER-C (and they're moving the article to draft and tagging it), could we get some eyes on the draft and its articlespace counterpart (Spencer Moeller)? This is no less than the fourth/fifth UPE to edit that page, and given the subject seems hellbent on having a Wikipedia article on his terms we need to be a bit more aggressive with this. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 20:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Is WP:BEFORE a guideline that applies to non-article deletions?

I.e. Categories, files, miscellany etc.--Prisencolin (talk) 22:47, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

No - the fact WP:BEFORE is a shortcut to a section on WP:Articles for deletion makes this clear. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 23:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Other processes have their own guidance, e.g. WP:FfD has a section on "What not to list here".

In AfD discussions, a WP:BEFORE check generally means doing a "Search for additional sources, if the main concern is notability". This is only relevant to AfD as notability is not a criterion for other XfD deletions. TSventon (talk) 23:23, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Why are articles about Japanese entertainment media lumped into one big article but other countries' articles are split up per entry?

As an example, look up any anime on Wikipedia (Beastars, for example): It will most certainly direct you to the manga page with tiny sub-sections about any adaptations into other media like OVAs, Anime TV series', Video Games, etc and if there is a separate page, it's usually only a list of episodes and only because the episode list is "long".

Now do the same with any other media made anywhere else, I'll use Mortal Kombat as it's relevant right now with the 2021 movie coming out. Searching "Mortal Kombat" brings you to the franchise page but each and every type of derived media: every video game, movie, TV series, Music Album, and Comic book series has its own page.

Why isn't Japanese media treated the same? When searching, I want to get a high-level overview about the TV show: how it was produced, the history, etc; but when the article is structured so it's 99% about the manga with "here's an episode list of the Anime that was produced years later" that isn't helpful at all and very frustrating/infuriating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8081:1610:E059:B1D7:26E6:4100:B8F9 (talk) 04:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

You might find your answer on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Anime and manga, or by posting on the related talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:21, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia often has more coverage of English-language franchises than of other languages but here are some TV series articles based on manga: Bleach (TV series), Dragon Ball (TV series), JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (TV series), One Piece (TV series), Fullmetal Alchemist (TV series), Attack on Titan (TV series), Sailor Moon (TV series), Berserk (1997 TV series), Berserk (2016 TV series). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

March 12

Delete account and editing

I'd like to delete my account Ozzykozzy2 and any associated data. I thought things would be further kept under controls by eager to please users and knee jerk users and we wouldn't blow ourselves up but I realized that it would likely get worse until more responsible parties arrive to guide and maintain the system we've had going for decades. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ozzykozzy2 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Ozzykozzy2, Wikipedia can't delete accounts because edits like this one have to be attributed to something. As far as I can tell, this is the only edit you've ever made on this account, so the easiest thing to do would be to just abandon the account. That said, you could ask for a courtesy vanishing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:57, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Fake news

Hello sir i am shah fahad from Pakistan and i belong to Muslim family i saw content on Wikipedia that a man. Was claiming 5th caliph but in Islam there is only 4 caliph so please remove that content

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.43.127.70 (talk) 08:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

"Mirza Masroor Ahmad (Urdu: مرزا مسرور احمد‎; born 15 September 1950) is the current and fifth leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. His official title within the movement is Fifth Caliph of the Messiah (Arabic: خليفة المسيح الخامس‎, khalīfatul masīh al-khāmis)." That info is correct, isn't it? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

If there is an actual documented contraversy about this that has been published in reliable sources (WP:RS), then you are free to add a referenced discussion of it into the article. -Arch dude (talk) 20:47, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

This is probably more knock-on from Google's idiocy in re its search results that blew up in December. IIRC Google still returns that article for the search term "current caliph of islam". —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 20:58, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

The first result on the Google search current caliph of islam is Mirza Masroor Ahmad and displays: "Mirza Masroor Ahmad (Urdu: مرزا مسرور احمد‎; born 15 September 1950) is the current and fifth leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. His official title within ...". That's a completely acceptable search result when the sentence also contains "Caliph" a few words later. The problem is not with Google or Wikipedia but the people who get upset over this because they are clueless about how search engines work, or want censorship of anything that disagrees with their religious beliefs. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

User: Rabin Baldewsingh

I have created a Wikipedia page for Rabin Baldewsingh. I have published it, but it does not show on google. It seems that this is not active yet. The page is called User:Rabin Baldewsingh. It should be: Rabin Baldewsingh

How can this be changed and published so that everybody can see it in google.

Please help me to correct this.

Thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabin Baldewsingh (talk • contribs) 10:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Rabin Baldewsingh Writing an acceptable WP article is hard, especially if you are unfamiliar with WP:s policies and guidelines, and you have made several common "newbie" mistakes:

• User:Rabin Baldewsingh is only meant for saying a little, if you want, about who you are, and what you do/like to do on WP. If you want to keep working on this, copypaste your text to a WP:DRAFTS (see that link) and work on it there.
• If you are not Rabin Baldewsingh, you are not allowed to have that username, see WP:CHU.
• See WP:BASIC. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem", then read WP:YFA, WP:BLP and WP:TUTORIAL carefully, also WP:COI if it applies. If not, give up on writing an article on this particular topic. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:07, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
  • There is an essentially identical article on Dutch Wikipedia but it has no references. Be aware, Rabin Baldewsingh that you won't get away with that here on English Wikipedia. We only accept articles which meet our WP:NOTABILITY guidelines and are backed up with reliable sources that are independent of the person being discussed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Signature

Hi. Why my signature is not correct? [[User:Dr Salvus|<b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Dr</b>_{<small><b style="font-family:Verdana;color:#27B382">Salvus</b></small>}]] ([[User talk:Dr Salvus|<b style="font-size:80%;color:#a9a9a9">talk</b>]]) (talk) 13:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: You should check the "Treat the above as wiki markup" option. enjoyer|talk 13:49, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Enjoyer of World: Thank you. Dr_Salvus (talk) (talk) 13:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Glad I could help. enjoyer|talk 14:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Mathematics

Solve for X — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.115.13.60 (talk) 14:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

In order to solve for x, you would need to provide the full equation for context. However, this is the Help Desk, where you can ask questions about how to edit Wikipedia. Do you have any such questions? Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 14:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

X = 42. If you want tips on solving a more specific mathematics problem then you can post to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics, but they don't do your homework for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:03, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Streets map

How do I drop a marker on the map?Mwinog2777 (talk) 16:07, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mwinog2777: This may help Template:Location map TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:58, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

How can I ask the Wikipedia community for an opinion on the publication of an encyclopedic entry?

Hi, I have inserted the encyclopedic entry "Gianfranco Continenza" in my Sandbox (here). He is a jazz-fusion author and composer. How can I ask the community for an opinion (and even a contribution) before publishing it? Thanks in advance to anyone who wants to help me.--Max Peltuinum (talk) 17:24, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Max Peltuinum: - lots of short paragraphs, need to be consolidated. Fair amount of material is apparently unreferenced. This is not good in a BLP. Mjroots (talk) 17:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: - Thanks for your very welcome reply. I will try to rework the text in a more articulated form. Can you tell me which parts of the text (even just some) are not sufficiently referenced, in order to guide me?--Max Peltuinum (talk) 17:41, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Max Peltuinum: - I'll mark them for you. It may be that the next reference after what I peceive is unreferenced covers the statement, but only you'll know that. Mjroots (talk) 17:44, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: - In any case, your help will be invaluable. Thank you!--Max Peltuinum (talk) 17:49, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Max Peltuinum: I've marked them all with {{cn}}, which displays as [citation needed]. BTW, references go after punctuation. See HELP:REFBEGIN for more info about referencing. Mjroots (talk) 17:50, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Max Peltuinum: When you're addressed the issues above and ready for more feedback, you can move the page to Draft:Gianfranco Continenza and add {{subst:submit}} to submit to through the Articles for creation process. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I thank you infinitely. I hope I have fixed the issues that have been reported to me (or at least most of them). Before I move the entry to "draft", could you take a look? I also ping @Mjroots: who welcomed me.--Max Peltuinum (talk) 15:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I think the article may well be accepted after you submit it Max Peltuinum. However, I found some of it a bit irrelevant. Do we really need to know (first line of biography), that he listened to a long list of well-known musicians. Didn't we all do that in our youth? And did he really have so many teachers and influencers? Notability (in a Wikipedia sense) is not inherited from these people so perhaps the focus should be only on the most significant one(s) mentioned in the sources. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Hi. Thanks for your help. I think you are right about the musicians he listened to when he was young. I included them because I think they could help better describe the multifaceted style of this musician: he is a predominantly jazz-fusion guitarist (he learned jazz from his father and then studied at the Musicians Institute), but he also recorded on funk, rock and heavy metal music records (genres he has loved since he was a kid). In any case, if this information appears redundant, I agree with you that it is best avoided. As for his teachers, however, they were actually those listed (all musicians from the Musicians Institute). He has maintained constant relationships with most of them throughout his musical career, both professionally and personally. Many of them have collaborated on his solo albums, and with many others he has recorded compilations. This is also reflected in the references. Obviously, even in this case, if the information appears redundant it is definitely necessary to avoid it. Before I delete the two paragraphs indicated, do you think I should wait for another opinion?--Max Peltuinum (talk) 16:39, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Max Peltuinum:. I don't think there is any need to worry about this while your draft is not accepted. I'd advise submitting it for review, which should trigger more experienced editors to take a look. You can still work on it while it is waiting (it can take a while). Wikipedia articles are always "works in progress", never complete. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:24, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Just moved to Draft ([[2]]). Thanks for your invaluable help!--Max Peltuinum (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

RfA Request

My Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/J.Turner99 is not showing up in the current requests on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. I think this is because I removed some important syntax. Please assist/advice. Thank you J.Turner99 (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

J.Turner99, please don't waste the community's time by trying to get that RfA to show up at WP:RfA. With <1,000 edits, you would have no chance of being accepted, even if it were a serious request. It looks more like a piece of polemic, and its successful transclusion is unlikely to go well for you. GirthSummit _(blether) 19:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Girth Summit I appreciate your concern. However, I do meet the requirements to make a request, so as a requester, I would apprciate your help on this greatly J.Turner99 (talk) 19:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hopefully someone will delete it before you get blocked. What with this and your post at WP:BN you are just being disruptive now.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

J.Turner99, I'm not going to help you disrupt the project by transcluding that - it's not a request for adminship, it's a rant. You have been topic banned; your requested a review of the ban, it was reviewed and upheld. You haven't been 'arrested', you haven't been 'denied any freedom'; all that's happened is that the people who administer an online encyclopaedia-writing project have told you not to edit in a particular topic area. There is no need for you to put on a Spiderman outfit and climb any public buildings. Drop it, go for a walk, listen to some music, whatever - this is just wasting your time, and everyone else's. GirthSummit _(blether) 19:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

J.Turner99 I too strongly suggest that you abandon this effort. Wikipedia is not a government with laws and due process- though we try to be fair. Free speech only means that the government cannot jail you for your speech- not that you can force Wikipedia to allow you to say what you wish. Do you provide for due process and fair trials and free speech with setting policies and guidelines in your residence? As a private entity, Wikipedia can determine what content is on its computers and how it gets there using any means it sees fit. If you don't like the rules, you are free to go somewhere else with rules that you like, or start your own website with your own rules. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

J.Turner99, if you would like me to delete that, I will. It has no chance of success, and if I delete it now, some point several years in the future when you may be more prepared to run for admin you'll have a clean slate. However, I will not delete it unless you ask me to. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:55, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Eh. Never mind. 331dot already did it. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

331dot has said I can't even put the request on an archived sub page or my own user page. Why is this? J.Turner99 (talk) 21:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@J.Turner99: might be because it was complete horseshit. That's just a guess, mind you. Nick (talk) 21:14, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

J.Turner99, I cannot answer this question but let me - after reading half an hour stuff on your talk page - tell you honestly: It is for your own interest if you really in the far future want to run for RfA again. Girth Summit left you a very good advice on your talk page and I highly suggest following it before you get blocked (which sometimes also have good effects, it gives you the peace and the time to reflect yourself - I know exactly of what I am talking about). CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Too late. He has been blocked. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

TOC format

What's the template(?) that displays/links the sections by letter horizontally and compactly? I'd like to make List of American advertising characters look a little nicer. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:41, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: Template:Compact ToC. I have experience with it and will do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:22, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Editing dates on references

Hello, I am getting errors on my access dates and page ranges on my references. I have access the help page but it is very confusing to me. Can you please help me?

The Social Experimenter The Social Experimenter (talk) 22:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:The Social Experimenter/sandbox 2 @The Social Experimenter: You need to include a url field (ex: url=http://xyz.com) in order for the date errors to disappear. I'm not sure why - probably a glitch. Also, the page numbers need a field name (ex: pages= 1-2). TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Not a glitch. |access-date= is the date that |url= was observed to support the content of the en.wiki article. |access-date= applies only to the value in |url=. When there is no url, |access-date= is meaningless.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:53, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@The Social Experimenter: Please make sure that you use the right citation template. For example, the first refereence seems to be a sientific journal, so you should use {{cite journal}} for that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed. See what I changed. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:16, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Ispiration for edits

Many times I don't "find inspiration" to do edits on Wikipedia. By inspiration, I mean the fact that I never know which page to edit. How can I solve this problem? Dr_Salvus (talk) 22:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus, consider joining a WikiProject, where you can collaborate with other editors on a certain topic that interests you. There's really one for everyone, here's a directory for you. Hope that helps you a bit. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 22:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: You could also be sent a list of articles (at intervals you decide upon) tailored to your recent edits, by subscribing at User:SuggestBot. Eagleash (talk) 23:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

You could look at a series of articles about things that interest you,such as places you have lived in or books you have read. Somewhere there will be spelling mistakes or mistakes in grammar.There could be important facts missed out that you have the sources to add. I found that the article on a town I knew had nothing about an important industry which had existed there and which had left its mark on the town. I had a book on the subject and was able to add a paragraph about it.This all leads on to more things that you find you could improve or correct. Spinney Hill (talk) 00:14, 13 March 2021 (UTC) .

You can check "Help out" at Wikipedia:Community portal. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Trial of the Chicago 7 Missing Awards

Who ever is in charge of editing the Trial of the Chicago 7 movie page is missing a bunch of the guild awards in the awards section. Trial got top ten films at the PGA, top ten films at the AFI, Director Guild, and an ASC nomination for cinematography. Please fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:9303:67AE:5454:74F1:B919:F818 (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: The Trial of the Chicago 7 You're welcome to edit yourself, if you can find sources for the info. This is a help desk for asking general editing questions. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

There is no specific editor "in charge" of any article. You have the same rights and responsibilities for correcting that article as any other editor. If you are not comfortable editing the article yourself, please make an {{edit request}} on the article's talk page. Be sure to add your reliable sources WP:RS. -Arch dude (talk) 01:59, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

...but only use the {{edit request}} template if you have a conflict of interest. Otherwise, you can add your suggestion on the article's talk page without the template. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:38, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Translator

I'm planning to translate some Argentine film reviews into English. I realized there might be someone on Wikipedia who might help with translations. Is there a directory or a place to ask? Thanks. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 23:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@DiamondRemley39: Do you want to publish the translations in the English Wikipedia? That would be unsuitable unless you mean short extracts from the reviews. If you want to recruit free translators for work unrelated to Wikipedia then it doesn't sound suitable either. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:25, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:, I mean excerpts of the reviews to the Wikipedia articles as is customary in our film articles. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 00:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@DiamondRemley39: See Wikipedia:Translators available#Spanish-to-English and Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@DiamondRemley39: Eyo. I might help you translate some stuff. Leave a message on my talk page pls. --ProWarCrime (talk) 13:06, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

March 13

Imelda Marcos

I was browsing about when the year Imelda Marcos was born, it caught to my attention your stating that they( Ferdinand Marcos and Imelda) stole a huge amount of money in the Phils. As a Filipino who grew up in that country I have the right to say that you should research Philipine status under his regime. Not even a single case proved that they stole money. Check the real history like a deeper meaning of Philippine history. The Aristocracy in the country change the Philippine History, that makes my country sick for the last 30years after Marcos administration have fallen. You need to do more research.

Thank you, Arlene Dalisay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.150.28.21 (talk) 00:50, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

If you feel there is incorrect information on an article, you can feel free to make the edit yourself or make an edit request on the corresponding talk page, provided you have reliable sources to back up these changes. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 01:32, 13 March 2021 (U

No. It is proved that the family has stolen millions of dollars from the Philippines. Check these sites

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/65607-greatest-robbery-of-a-government https://www.rappler.com/voices/thought-leaders/analysis-just-how-bad-was-corruption-marcos-years --ProWarCrime (talk) 12:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Christopher Bullock

I have added a commons file inside the info box on the above page. It needs to be centered and enlarged; it is too small. Please help if you can - Thanks 175.32.41.33 (talk) 01:53, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Ah, the spouse of one Barbara May Lupton! Well, IP, you can centre it, by removing "|thumb". But you can't make it any bigger, because the file that Srbernadette (hello!) uploaded is a measly 74×150 pixels. -- Hoary (talk) 01:59, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Editing my entry in Wikipedia

I have just spent 3 hours editing my entry in Wikipedia, to correct factual errors and omissions. I then clicked on 'Publish', as there was no option to 'Save' visible anywhere .... but when I subsequently checked my entry in Wikipedia to see my corrections, none of them had registered. Please help by advising me to make edits effectively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenwich Road (talk • contribs) 06:47, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Which article was this? (There's no sign here that you've edited anywhere other than on this page.) But whichever the article, you shouldn't edit it directly; you should instead edit its talk page, saying there which changes you'd like to have made to the article, and why. Please see Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. -- Hoary (talk) 07:23, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

If you are given the option to "Publish" and click on this, then what you have is normally saved. You will get an error message if you attempt to "Publish" a version that includes links to websites that are blacklisted (because of attempts to spam links to them, because they routinely flout others' copyright, etc); you won't be given the impression that your attempt to "Publish" was successful. -- Hoary (talk) 08:23, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Greenwich Road "Publish Changes" should be interpreted to simply mean "Save Changes". The button used to say save changes, but it was changed to emphasize that all saved edits are visible to the public(such as this page). As Hoary aptly notes, you should avoid directly editing the article about you, but you may make a formal edit request on the talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed, along with any reliable sources to support them. 331dot (talk) 08:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Greenwich Road: Your account has not saved anything outside this help page. If you were not logged in then there is a chance your changes were saved but reverted and can be seen by clicking the "View history" tab, or that the changes actually are in the article but you need to bypass your cache to see them. It's impossible for us to tell without knowing the page. I guess you are not an old road. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:VAND and WP:DE

Which are the differences beetween WP:VAND and WP:DE? Dr_Salvus (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

"Vandalism" is behaviour which is "deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose", while "disruptive editing" is disruptive in effect though not in intention. Maproom (talk) 15:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editing can be intentional but often isn't. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I've been doing some destructive edits lately with no intention of doing damage to Wikipedia. How can I make other users understand that I do not vandalize? Dr_Salvus (talk) 15:28, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus have you read Wikipedia:Competence is required, which advises that editors need "the ability to understand their own abilities and competencies, and avoid editing in areas where their lack of skill and/or knowledge causes them to create significant errors for others to clean up"? TSventon (talk) 16:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus, it's good that you're asking questions—asking for more information (or taking time to learn more by reading policies, guidelines and discussions) rather than jumping right into a new area is often a good way to make others understand that you are acting without intent to damage Wikipedia. Stick to small things that you have done successfully in the past and read lots before taking any new types of actions. By making good contributions to articles, like you have done on football-related topics, you show other people that you are here to help. — Bilorv (talk) 18:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Notability criteria for scientific subjects and experiments?

What is the relevant notability criterion/guideline when it comes to scientific topics, like proteins, chemical reactions, various reagents, etc.? And is there any guidance for evaluating notability of experiments, or are they just considered "events"? JoelleJay (talk) 19:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I assume both are just considered under GNG, but it would be helpful to know of any consensus discussions since these topics are more nuanced than the "RS coverage" anticipated by GNG criteria. We have informal notability guidelines for practically every sport, so I was very surprised to see there was nothing on scientific subjects. JoelleJay (talk) 19:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

There is general advice for chemistry at WP:NCHEM, JoelleJay. Most scientific Projects are pretty active, so for specific cases you could post a suggestion at a Project Talk page before starting to draft a new article. There is WT:WikiProject_Chemistry, for example and others are listed at WP:WikiProject_Council/Directory/Science. We always welcome new editors in science areas provided they are competent in the subject they write about. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:46, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

WP:MENTOR

Hi. I think I should join the WP: MENTOR. Despite having made more than 3000 changes, I think I'm a bit inexperienced. I believe I need to be supported by a more experienced user. How can I ask a user to be my mentor? Dr_Salvus (talk) 19:28, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: See WP:AAU (which was linked in the page you quote). Eagleash (talk) 20:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

extinct mountaines in uk

Snowdon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:3F14:5601:1554:DAE4:9E5B:109B (talk) 20:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

What is your question about editing Wikipedia? There is no article or category called anything like "extinct mountains in the UK". I've never encountered the phrase "extinct mountain": if you mean Extinct volcano, I don't think that Snowdon has ever been classified as a volcano, though it is made of volcanic rock. --ColinFine (talk) 21:22, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Citing source without unique URL

I have a question about citing a particular online webpage. I want to cite an online database of Colorado high-school championships to update an article about a school's athletic records. However, the only way to see the records for a specific school is by doing a search for the school on the webpage itself. This means there isn't a unique URL for the school's record -- only a URL for the database itself. How should I go about citing this? It would help a lot with cleaning up the entry for the school, but I want to make sure users are able to accurately find the exact source of my info.

https://chsaanow.com/history/champions/all/ is the database in question. The search feature is underneath the heading that says "All-time champions"

Rileydblack (talk) 21:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Rileydblack: Go back to basics. A citation is intended to provide a way for an interested reader to find the cited information. If the URL is insufficient, then add the needed "recipe" for finding it. For example your citation could be <ref> search for Longmont HS at {{cite web|url= ...}}<ref>. -Arch dude (talk) 00:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Gotcha. Added a "recipe" - thank you for teaching me a new term :) Rileydblack (talk)

@Rileydblack: See List of American Idol alumni album sales in the United States#References for many examples of references that include navigation. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks for the examples! Rileydblack (talk) 17:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Messages without reply

I have sent two messages to a user and I need a reply. Surely he read it but he didn't answer. What can I do? Dr_Salvus (talk) 22:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

How do you report a bad editor?

There is a lot of back and forth between the editors on the pages for both “counting on” and “19 kids and counting”. People will go in and make updates and add information and then other editors will CONTINUOUSLY remove it because they PERSONALLY feel the information shouldn’t be available. Wikipedia is an information site - having users take information down because they don’t agree with it being on there is INEXCUSABLE. There is no option to report the editors who continue to delete information and previous edits. PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. It has been happening for a very long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DishSoap24 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

DishSoap24 Wikipedia is not a mere "information site", it is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion. If there is information that is in dispute, you need to discuss it on the article talk page. It is difficult to say more unless you provide specific diffs that we can examine. 331dot (talk) 22:14, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DishSoap24. This is your only edit with this account. Do you have another account? I looked at the history of the second article you mentioned, and I see highly experienced editors enforcing policies and guidelines to prevent addition of poorly referenced content that violates WP:BLP policy and creates accessibility. problems. If you have complaints about an editor, discuss your concerns on the editor's talk page. There are various methods of Dispute resolution available as well. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Also, creating a second account to stir up debate is sockpuppetry, which is generally met with an indefinite block of editing privileges. Matt Deres (talk) 13:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

March 14

Question about musical groups

Could anyone please tell me if a group only qualifies for category pages like Category: Musical quintets if the group consistently has only five members, if they started out with that number and changed the amount of members over the years, or if they had five members at one or more points midway through their run?--Thylacine24 (talk) 00:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm going to make it explicit in the category, but The Beach Boys are now only 4/5 what they were, so it looks like five for any significant portion of their existence. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:45, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: Thanks. Could you please tell me how much time it takes to qualify as a "significant portion of their existence"?--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:38, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I also see that they were a septet for a while there. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Processing edits by a new user (with an IP address)

I noticed an edit from an IP address to Second_Bill_of_Rights&oldid=1011770530, which I reverted. Checking out the edit history associated with that account showed a variety of small contributions which are interesting but not supported by discussion or sources. I vaguely recall there being a process for welcoming new users to Wikipedia and I'm not looking to bully anybody here. What should my next step be, if any? --Edwin Herdman (talk) 02:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Using template sort name and ill links

Is it possible to use Template:Sortname with an ill link? I'm trying to sort Jacques De Braekeleer by "De Braekeleer" for List of monuments to Ludwig van Beethoven but not sure how to link in this case... Aza24 (talk) 03:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Aza24: Those templates cannot be combined but you can e.g. use {{sort}}: {{sort|De Braekeleer|{{ill|Jacques De Braekeleer|nl}}}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Request to edit the user source

Hi Wikipedia team,

May I please request to edit the user source? I am still familiarizing myself with Wikipedia and had no idea about the rules. Could you please allow me to edit the username? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajanicharles (talk • contribs) 03:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ajanicharles: This looks like your only edit so far, so just stop using your current username and create a new account with the name you want. There is a process to change the name, but it is only used for accounts that have been editing for awhile. RudolfRed (talk) 04:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

How to edit category?

@Pelagic:,All of the instructions given by the Administrator which is involved in my questions were little bit complex to me because i am new to wikipedia. Among the PrimeHunter and GoingBatty.your instruction has been easy for understanding.

   Thank you (Fade258 (talk) 04:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC))

@Fade258: You refer to Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2021 March 10#How to edit category ? 12 minutes after your original post I asked "Which type of edit are you trying to make to which category?" The problem is that it took you four more posts and two days to answer it and when you finally did, you tried to ping me with [[Ping|PrimeHunter]]. The correct code is {{Ping|PrimeHunter}}. Please be specific when you ask a question. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

“Controversy” sections in articles

I am pretty sure I’ve read somewhere that “Controversy” sections in articles are deprecated. I can’t remember whether it was a policy or guidance. Anyone able to point me to what I think I’ve read? Many thanks in advance. KJP1 (talk) 07:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

KJP1 WP:CSECTION is the guideline that says that you shouldn't have a controversy section. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:38, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Joseph2302 - Exactly so! Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 08:45, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Description

I wanna know how I can write info about me to this.thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anandowrld (talk • contribs) 07:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Anandowrld Wikipedia is not a form of social media where we tell the world about ourselves; please review the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is interested in what others say about you, not what you want to say about yourself. If you want to tell the world about yourself as a Wikipedia editor or user, you may use your user page, User:Anandowrld, to do that, in keeping with user page guidelines. Your user page is not for telling anything and everything about yourself. 331dot (talk) 07:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the copyrights © information

Hello sir, I'm Kiran Sai from Hyderabad, India. I want to use some of your information in my upcoming book for free. For that reason, I want to know that if there is any chance to write. If possible, I'll be sending the details of my book once if I receive any mail from you. Thanking you Kiran Sai Hyderabad — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:4E10:148E:C0D4:4EE8:6855:77D7 (talk) 10:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:22, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Please see Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:52, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Informations from non-reliable sources.

Hi. I have to put some missing information on a page that I would like to promote in FL. The problem is that this information is only found on transfermarkt.com, an untrusted source. Can I enter this information on the page? Dr_Salvus (talk) 14:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

We neither desire nor tolerate promotional efforts in Wikipedia. If your intention is to promote something, then you should not be doing it. (And no, by definition we only want impartial information from reliable sources to be used here.) --Orange Mike | Talk 14:30, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Orange Mike, I think the background is that Dr Salvus wants to successfully nominate a page for promotion to FL status. Dr Salvus, I think the answer is you need a reliable source for all information in a featured list. Wikipedia:Featured list criteria requires that "statements are sourced where they appear", which links to WP:BURDEN. TSventon (talk) 14:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Is tuttocampo.it a reliable source?

Is tuttocampo.it a reliable source? Dr_Salvus (talk) 14:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus, WP:RSN is that right venue to ask questions like that. Note that you should indicate what article you want to use it on, and what assertion you want to use it to support - a source may be reliable for one thing, but unreliable for another. GirthSummit _(blether) 16:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Do wiki instructions apply to all wikis?

Hi. I am not a native speaker of English and I would prefer to read the instructions on Wikipedia in Italian. Do wiki instructions apply to all wikis? Dr_Salvus (talk) 15:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus Each language version of Wikipedia is a separate project, all with their own policies developed by the editors on those versions, so the Italian version policies are likely different than here. They are most likely not exact translations even where similar. 331dot (talk) 15:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Dr Salvus - :331dot is correct with regards to policies. However, if you mean the technical instructions, such as how to create a table or insert a template, I believe all the Wikipedias use the same version of MediaWiki, so the Italian instructions should work just fine. Matt Deres (talk) 15:18, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Matt Deres I meant instructions on topics like vandalism. Dr_Salvus (talk) 16:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: That will be different between languages, e.g. different templates, procedures, thresholds for blocking. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Gtranslate may be of some help. WP:VANDALISM and WP:VANDALISMO have clear differences. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Codes for Up down same

I know that is the green arrow, is the red one going down, but what is the code for the blue line that indicates no change? Thank you --Chutyo (talk) 16:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Update: Nevermind, I figured it out! --Chutyo (talk) 16:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC) The code is

Automatic grammar error corrector

Is there a bot that automatically corrects grammatical errors? Dr_Salvus (talk) 18:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dr Salvus Yes, there are a variety of bots that fix a variety of errors, with a few of them errors that could be characterized as "grammatical" – but not "deeply"; writing is too "bespoke"; too dependent on context for anything but a super-complex AI to make more than superficial fixes of this nature, for clear cut cases. For example, some bots will go around fixing "they was", but you can see by that example how clearly defined and self-contained such an error must be. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

coi

I read the page about COI and wikipedian in residence. I don't find info about paid contributions from destination marketing organizations. Writing about a destination, its history, its sightseeings, its typical food (of a city or of a region etc) is it similar to writing about a GLAM institution? were there case about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.57.253.17 (talk) 18:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Those are marketing organizations. This is not editing for public enlightenment, this is writing to bring in tourist dollars, and is shamelessly promotional. All our strictures about promotional editing, COI editing, undisclosed paid editing, etc. apply in full. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

This is promotional like is promotional writing about a museum. I'm not talking about writing with POV but writing about towns with articles as stub but they must deserve long and detailed articles. For instance, is also the translating from other language to english without further modifies a COI editing?93.57.253.17 (talk) 20:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't really understand what you're getting at. It sounds like you're interpreting COI without really taking in the natural meaning of the words. A conflict of interest essentially means what the words means in English in conjunction and is not some stand in for "bad edits". A person has a conflict of interest in writing a neutral article when their "interest ("An involvement, claim, right, share, stake in or link with a financial, business, or other undertaking or endeavor."}}" "conflicts" ("A clash or disagreement...)" with writing neutrally—just as, for example, a lawyer has a "conflict of interest" in representing a client neutrally if they actually have an interest in not hurting the person on the other side of the legal matter because of a prior relationship with them (or an interest in the subject matter, where their own interests would be affected, that keeps them from truly neutrally representing that client). So, a person writing about a town, who is doing so to sneak in their links to a tourist website, has a COI. A person translating an article into English who does not change the poor output, but has no conflict of interest (COI) in writing about the town, they're just a bad and imprudent editor.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:15, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle options

Hi. I made a number of twinkle personal options but unintentionally took Twinkle options off the screen. So are my options above the screen. What can I do to get Twinkle to reappear in my options? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Salvus (talk • contribs) 19:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I'll try to be clearer: despite having activated Twinkle in the preferences I can't see it on the screen. Dr_Salvus (talk) 20:22, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I replied at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Twinkle options. Please only post a question in one place. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

NCORP related question

Would this book contribute to the notability of the companies listed in it? SK2242 (talk) 19:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

How can I protect a page to interface administrators?

How can I protect a page to interface administrators? Dr_Salvus (talk) 20:24, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Based on the description on that page, the protection may be automatic for JS and CSS pages. What page do you think needs protection? RudolfRed (talk) 20:30, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: The page need protection is User:Dr Salvus/twinkleoptions.js — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Salvus (talk • contribs)

@Dr Salvus: I'm not sure what you mean by "to" interface administrators. The page can only be edited by you and interface administrators. All of them except one are also administrators and can edit fully protected pages. The page cannot be protected from editing by them. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:45, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

PrimeHunter In this page there is this message

Code that you insert on this page could contain malicious content capable of compromising your account. If you import a script from another page with "importScript" or "iusc", take note that this causes you to dynamically load a remote script, which could be changed by others.

If you are unsure whether code you are adding to this page is safe, you can ask at the appropriate village pump. The code will be executed when previewing this page.

I panicked and maybe I asked the wrong question at the wrong time Dr_Salvus (talk) 20:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dr Salvus: It's a standard message displayed on all js pages in your userspace if you edit them. Most users just ignore it and there are around 77,000 js pages in userspace. Interface administrators can also edit sitewide js which is loaded by all users with JavaScript. If you are really paranoid about security then don't create js pages and consider disabling JavaScript in your browser, but the latter would mean you cannot use gadgets and many other Wikipedia features. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

How do I ask for a source?

If i'm reading an article and I see a fact attributed to a historical person without attribution, how can I ask for a source to be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muirbio (talk • contribs) 20:46, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Muirbio! You can easily place {{citation needed|date=March 2021}} directly after said text to produce this. Hope that helps! Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 20:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Please Publish this article

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
For other possible meanings see Subject's last name (disambiguation) Jamal Antar Jamal Antar is a American French actor. AMERICAN FRENCH ACTOR Born December 23, 1976 South France Occupation Actor Spouse Shanila Lawrence Antar Jamal Antar is a American French actor. Jamal has acted in many roles such as Italian mafia (Ncis LA), Armenian Mafia (LA's Finest), Mexican cartel (Seal team), Warlord's man (68 Whisky), ... Also he played others characters like Secret Service Agent ( The Politician), or Prisoner "Star Wars" (The Mandalorian), and is one of the most celebrated up and coming actors. Biography Jamal Antar (born December 23, 1976) is a American French actor. Jamal was born in the South of France, to immigrant parents. His father is a Property Developer in France and Morocco. His mother is a Housewife. He is the eldest of 3 brothers. Jamal grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood called "La Faourette" in Toulouse, so playing a tough Mafioso kind of guy came pretty naturally to him. Marriage and children Married 05/23/17 at Beverly Hills court with Shanila Lawrence Antar Upcoming (1) French Connection Jamal Antar as Mr. Arman (Mafioso Boss) Tv Show on Amazon Prime in September 2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartowlgraphic (talk • contribs)

 Not done. This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 21:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Redirects

Hi, Apologies if this is a stupid question but do we have a tool that can find redirects for an article ?, We used to have one created by Dispenser but it's no longer in the View History area of articles, Many thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 21:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Davey2010! Don't worry, your question isn't in the least bit! I'm not quite sure about a tool to specifically find redirects, but there is a way to see every article that links to whichever article you choose. Go to the article, then on the left, under the "Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia" logo, there is a list of functions, and one of those says "What links here." Click that and you can view every single article that has a link to it. Hope that helps! Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 21:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you for the kind words, There's been the odd occasion I've had a brain fart and the answer's been staring me in the face so glad that's not the case here! :), You are absolutely amazing thank you so much!. Only been editing here for 6 years yet managed to forgot "What links here" even existed!, Anyway thank you for your swift response and help it's greatly appreciated EDG 543, Take care and stay safe mate, Warm Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 21:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Davey2010, no problem, bud. I'm more than happy to help you with any other concerns in the future! Thanks, EDG 543 ^{(message me)} 21:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Additionally, if you click on the page information link in the sidebar, there is a link that shows redirects to that page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks RudolfRed much appreciated. –Davey2010^Talk 21:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Color Box in German

Hi, I'm trying to translate a Wikipedia page for a competition show and I require the use of Color Boxes to do so, however I don't believe that I can just simple copy and paste the English spelling into the source editor, as it says it doesn't exist. Is there a way to get Colour Boxes in German? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taylveon (talk • contribs) 22:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Taylveon: "Color Boxes" could refer to many things. Please be specific in your question as the edit notice asks. Which page are you translating and which boxes are you having problems with? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:25, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Hi, sorry. By "Color Boxes" I mean the boxes on the left hand side of this page, under the "Contestant Progress" chart, where they act as a key for the colours up above. Here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taylveon (talk • contribs) 23:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Citation Bot, error 308

Upon clicking on a link in an article, I received an error msg:

• 308 Permanent Redirect
  • nginx/1.14.2

A section in Meir Kahane contained {{lacking ISBN|date= ..}} and I wanted the citation bot to fill in at least some if not all ISBNs. Does the bot need more than just clicking? Pi314m (talk) 22:25, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Works for me, although the tool didn't actually find anything to change on that page since the books were not in a format it recognized. A HTTP 308 response is a redirect, not an error, in any case. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

proposed deletion template re-added after it was removed -- contrary to template guidance

Hi, I'm watching a page that had a proposed for deletion template added. The template was removed and then re-added by another user. The guidance on the template says that "If this template is removed, do not replace it." If the template is, in fact, replaced, how should one proceed? Thank you. Miaminsurance (talk) 00:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)