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Creating a discography from artist's page

Hello, Would you please provide some guidance on how to set up a link to a new discography page from an existing artist's page? I sought permission to do this on 6 August in the Talk:Roger Woodward page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Roger_Woodward - in response to issues raised by editors regarding the long lists in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Woodward article. Thank you. I appreciate your advice. SueMmc (talk) 08:21, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

@SueMmc: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could create Draft:Roger Woodward discography per Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style, and then submit it for review per Help:Your first article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:33, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much GoingBatty. We really appreciate your help. SueMmc (talk) 07:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Checking Previous Deletions

Hi, I'm looking to nominate an article for deletion that I believe would be uncontroversial, seeing the lack of sources and notability. However, WP:PROD specifies that I should only nominate an article for PROD if the article has never been nominated for AfD or PROD before. Is there any way I can check if this is the case? I checked the View History and Talk Page of the article, and couldn't find much. I use Twinkle, if that helps. Courtesy Link: Doom Shall Rise

Thanks, Gageills (talk) 01:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Gageills: Generally an AFD discussion will be listed on the article's talk page, at the top. Or better, you can go to the WP:AFD page, scroll down a bit, and type the article name in the search box (it's case-sensitive).

In this case it qualified for speedy deletion per WP:A7, so I have deleted it. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Great! Thanks for the help :-) Gageills (talk) 03:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Gageills hi there, and welcome to the Teahouse! To check for previous AfD discussions, you can use a search query. I made a little page at User:EpicPupper/AfD Search. For example, if you want to search the page you linked, you can put in "intitle:Doom Shall Rise". Do note the "intitle:", this is very important. You can see there on that search that there were no AfDs. In terms of previous PRODs, Twinkle will automatically check for AfD and PROD tags on the talk page (although this is not 100 percent accurate), so you can usually just check the AfDs. Hope this helped! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk, FAQ, contribs)} 03:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance! I'll keep that in mind. :-) Gageills (talk) 00:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

New to Wiki, publishing a page, help!

 Courtesy link: Draft:Ganignunt Aiemsakul

My friend is disappeared in 2002, the case is now open. I'm working on spreading awareness, linking data, and sharing information. I've created a draft in wiki, and would like to publish it or submit it for the approval process. I can't figure out how to do this. Findganignunt (talk) 01:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I have gone ahead, submitted and rejected the draft as it is counterintuitive to the purpose of Wikipedia WP:NOTADVOCACY. I appreciate your situation however this is not the place for this kind of activity. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 02:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Except that wiki is full of information related information like the page created, how exactly does this information get published? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Jennifer_Dulos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Hae_Min_Lee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_Levy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Steward_Davis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Findganignunt (talk • contribs) 02:38, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Findganignunt: One difference is the tone of the writing. It's important to write Wikipedia articles in the style of an encyclopedia article instead of as a request for help. GoingBatty (talk) 03:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

And please read WP:RS. You cannot use user-generated sites as reliable sources. The Charley Project fund raising page (used three times) is not a reliable source. A reddit page is not a reliable source. The fan page for America's Most Wanted is not a reliable source. The MoCo show (used three times) appears to be personal blog and is not a reliable source. Meters (talk) 03:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Since you are the person's friend you should also read WP:COI. Meters (talk) 03:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

We have articles for cases such as this where there are sufficient independent reliable sources to show that the particular case is notable. I am not seeing that here. We have an almost 20-year old disappearance case. It's tragic, and unsolved, but there is little independent coverage. Meters (talk) 03:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

It has been cleaned up now and the sourcing and tone are much better. The fact the police have recently reported a new tip and now believe her to be dead helps somewhat with notability. Meters (talk) 03:51, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Let me see what I can do. I hope a wiki will be created in the near future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Findganignunt (talk • contribs) 14:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

My post was removed and someone said I was trying to promote

I didn't want to promote but I was kinda explaining the account and I really only need my wiki thing up for at least 10 hours so I can get what I need to happen which is trying to get my Twitter verified somehow. I'm just 13 so you also can't expect a wiki paragraph that I write to look good OverLord Official (talk) 05:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

OverLord Official, we hope that paragraphs look good, but we don't demand it. After all, we can make them look good, if they say something worth saying. What you wrote in your sandbox read in part If anyone knows me and sees this then add anything that is NOT info at all. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not some kind of "social media" proving ground or playground; any sensible 13- or 83-year-old knows the difference. -- Hoary (talk) 05:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

And don't ask the same question here and at Help. Duplication wastes volunteers' time. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

General comment for anyone skimming the Teahouse. I'm not into Twitter, but I believe they suspended account verification for quite a while and are now re-introducing it. https://help.twitter.com/en/managing-your-account/about-twitter-verified-accounts says To receive the blue badge, your account must be authentic, notable, and active. ... Notable ... Companies, brands, and organizations: ... must meet 2 of the following [three] requirements: presence in public indices, including but not limited to ... stable Wikipedia articles that meet the encyclopedia’s notability standards, ... On one hand, it's nice that Twitter has some faith in us; on the other hand the extra criteria are non-trivial: significant recent mentions in Verified news sources or top .05% (!) ranking in followers. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 17:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How to change page name and the associated redirect page

Trevor Kirczenow MacDonald (health researcher) redirects to Trevor MacDonald (health researcher) but really the title of the main article should change. Trevor Kirczenow wrote a book with his married name, MacDonald, but since then has gone by his legal name Kirczenow. I was going to update the page with information about the upcoming Canadian general election in which Trevor is a candidate under his legal name Trevor Kirczenow and don't know how to properly update the article title. Thanks! Dharmabum (talk) 05:46, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Dharmabum Hello! However, there is one other thing to consider: WP:COMMONNAME. If you think that supports a change of article title, you should probably use Wikipedia:Requested moves because of the existing redirects. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Repeating a previous question about hôtels

Sometime in the past I had asked this question in the Teahouse: What will be the heading for the translation of Liste des hôtels de région de France (list of regional 'hôtels' in France)? When I had previously asked, I was asked by an user what were the names of the individual buildings (regional parliaments) in enwiki on their articles, to which I replied that only one article on these regional 'hôtels' are made (Hôtel de Courcy) which leads to no conclusion. I don't remember if someone had given an answer to that query, not sure, but can I get an answer now (becuase I don't think regional hôtels is an apt title)? Excellenc1📞 07:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Based on the French article, I would suggest "List of regional-council headquarters in France". Avoid "hotel", which is misleading. 71.175.88.163 (talk) 07:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, you asked at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1120#Confusion_on_title. (This was easy to find via the search box above.) Liste des hôtels de région de France has minimal text, which is easy to understand for those whose French is at lower-intermediate level. I have trouble believing that anyone would (A) want to see such a list, but nevertheless (B) be unable to handle that amount of French. Also, the blue links for the actual hôtels in an English version would be even fewer than they are in that French-language list. So englishing the article seems a pretty pointless exercise to me. Now, if you want to get stuck in to hôtels (of a different kind), then may I recommend improving Hôtels particuliers of Montpellier, which currently tells us for example "Hôtel de Solas Early 17th century, with a noteworthy porch ceiling"; which to me raises questions: (i) Is nothing about it of note other than its age and "porch ceiling"? (ii) Where is it? (iii) What's it used for? (iv) Can the interested connoisseur of architecture enter it, or at least examine its "porch ceiling"? (v) How is this "porch ceiling" noteworthy? Somewhat surprisingly, there's no corresponding article in fr:WP; however, Hôtel particulier does provide a little list of articles there of city-specific hôtels particuliers (not Montpellier, but Nancy, Caen, etc); you might try englishing and improving one of those articles. -- Hoary (talk) 08:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: This list will be similar to List of state and territorial capitols in the United States, with a difference that the French article will have more red links. (I don't think this will explain the notability of my topic, but just to say that this topic isn't 'useless' (I feel I shouldn't use this word)). And I am not making those regional hôtels with red links, I'll keep them black (just text)> Excellenc1📞 11:38, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, the US list is indeed of some interest: it has years of construction, historical notes, etc. If you can find such information, or comparable bonuses, for your French list, then yes, go for it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I make someone else's draft?

Can I extend this draft and publish it? Excellenc1📞 07:09, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, there's no rule against your extending it. Its creator (who does not "own" it) hasn't edited it for two months, and may have lost interest in it. However. I'm not confident it can ever qualify as a published list. Maybe another Teahouse host can advise? Maproom (talk) 07:28, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand what encyclopedic value an expanded version would have. -- Hoary (talk) 07:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 The United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names publishes a list of Country's formal and informal names in various languages including French, which you can find here. I am unsure if this would comply with Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists or not though. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1I also found this existing list List of country names in various languages, which I found by searching Category:Lists of country names in various languages ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1, @Maproom, @Hoary, @Shushugah: As French is an official language of the Olympic Games, the list may have value if it was linked to that aspect. You could include the Olympic country code in an extra column, and maybe the ISO code for comparison. List of participating nations at the Summer Olympic Games#Alphabetical list has English but not French names, and I'd be reluctant to add another column to that massive table to hold the French name. I don't really want to see 3000 "List of country names in XX language", but could French be a special case? Should such a list include the full official name, e.g. Commonwealth of Australia, Australia, Australie? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 18:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Want to know about semi protected articles

 Ziraar Ali (talk) 07:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Have you read WP:SEMI? --David Biddulph (talk) 07:28, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you mate@David Biddulph Ziraar Ali (talk) 07:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Sat Shri Akal

to authority Wiki Myself Js bhathuan.M very disappoint to know that my very important new article for wiki has been declined.My article was related great Punjabi scholar Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha (1861-1938 )’s new publish book “Gitanjali Harivrijrsh” ; . 'Gitanjali Harivrijesh' is an invaluable collection of Kahan Singh Nabha's ancient Punjabi poems. What is wrong in it. M sending a link English Tribune about “Gitanjali Harivrijaesh” https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/patiala/punjabi-  Js bhathuan (talk) 12:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Did you read the messages on your talk page? Your draft was rejected for failing to cite sources, and subsequently removed for apparent copyright violations. You need to read and ensure you understand the information linked there before attempting to create an article (which, by the way, is a notoriously difficult process) Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Discord

Hello does english wikipedia has its own Discord server? if so how can i join?

thanks —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 12:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, take a look at WP:DISCORD. Zudo ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

thank you dear. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 12:51, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Replying changed?

Hello! So I was about to reply to a comment when I noticed that the replying thing I'm using changed a little and looks a bit different. Is this a new thing or have I just been oblivious to it this entire time? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 12:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, just so everyone knows what I mean, I'm talking about the button that say reply on it. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Actually, now that I'm looking at it, some other things on Wikipedia have been restyled. Was there a restyling of Wikipedia I didn't know about? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: No idea which button you mean because there are so many different skins and customisations, and some people use the Visual Editor and others don't, and some people use editing apps on a mobile device and others use a browser, and so on... in any case, the Wikimedia people do tweak and change things around from time to time. For instance, there was some kind of update last week that suddenly caused a "responsive mode" to be the default for browsers on a mobile phone across all Wikimedia projects, which was an awful and tedious experience, until I managed to find a way to turn it off for myself as a global preference. The technical Village Pump board is a good place to ask about sudden and unexpected changes in the editing interface, especially if the changes make it harder to edit! --bonadea contributions talk 15:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok! And I'm fairly sure the reply button is just something you opt in to under preferences or something. But thank you for pointing me in the right direction! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I presume you mean the Beta tool. ― Qwerfjkltalk 16:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes I do. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Blaze! Could it be that you switched between the Source and Visual modes of the Reply Tool? Also, they added the toolbar to the source mode a little while ago. I haven't noticed other restyling, but I mostly use Timeless skin. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 18:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

No, I remain in source mode when using the reply tool. I think the toolbar is what I'm seeing that's new. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Newton le Willows and other towns

There has been an anon constantly changing and changing for months now the lead of Newton le Willows from "Newton le Willows is a market town in the metropolitan borough of St Helens" to "a market town in North West England".

Me Koncorde and others have reverted these so many times the anon keeps redoing the same old edits.

So my question is simple. Is it important to note the borough and county a town or village comes under? If i said "Huddersfield is a large market town in West Yorkshire." Without a mention of Kirklees or "Nelson is a town in Lancashire" without mentioning Pendle. Then it wouldn't work as Huddersfield is Kirklees administrative centre and Nelson is Pendles administrative centre. DragonofBatley (talk) 13:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Newton-le-Willows TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@DragonofBatley: I'm looking at the page and it currently looks like what you said it is. Also, it doesn't appear to be the same person changing the page, rather multiple different IPs. However, if it continues you happen, I would suggest starting a discussion on the talk page of the article so you can discuss it with other editors, instead of just having an edit war (which can and probably will get you blocked). Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and to be honest while i agree its not only me who reverts the edits made other admin do so if they continued it they'd be at risk of a block to and not just me. And there was a brief discussion on it but the false editor who made the discussion never replied to it and anons have kept doing it non stop so with all due respect me and @Koncorde: have had to keep reverting the edits. So would we both be at risk of a block for stopping an unhelpful anon?

@DragonofBatley: Not really. If they continue something you can do to stop them is request page protection. What it does is require them to register an account to be able to edit the page. There's an easy way to do it, however I'm not familiar with it as I just use Twinkle. Also, please remember to sign your replies with ~~~~ Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@DragonofBatley: Here's the link to request semi-protection: [1]. Instructions are on the page, it's quite simple. This will prevent IP editors from making changes, and even if the handling admin only semi-protects for a short time, that may be enough to discourage a casual but problematic anonymous editor. Elemimele (talk) 14:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the link! As I said, I use Twinkle which does it automatically when I click the button to request page protection. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 14:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@DragonofBatley: If I saw a protection request for that article, I would decline it. There is not enough recent disruptive activity (it's only just today), there is only one IP address you are contending with, and that IP address seems to be making good-faith additions and citing sources. You need to resolve your dispute some other way. Engage on the talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Anachronist:, may i suggest you look back at the past few months on the intro and the anon ip addresses. User, @Koncorde: will vouch for me that these ips have constantly kept changing the lead and that is an ongoing issue maybe minor but still ongoing. It needs to stop, the ip is wrong to remove the important content of Borough of St Helens to North East England which is not a county or district. It is a region of England and could be anywhere. It needs to be narrowed down to the borough/district/unitary authority and the county. The anon your looking at must pass different ip addresses as the last one today did the exact same thing as the ones in June, July and August have done. It is always ongoing. Needs to be resolved and me making the case on discussion pages does not mean the anons will comment. Just saying DragonofBatley (talk) 16:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The page has now been protected. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Tom_Stourton

I am Tom Stourton, but I am not allowed to provide my correct date/place of birth (28th September 1987, Washington DC USA) for some reason Tom Stourton (talk) 14:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• First things first, Tom Stourton: your username. Please see WP:REALNAME. The next thing is WP:COIDECLARE. Both your name and your conflict of interest need addressing. As for "not allowed"--we're an encyclopedia, and we work by way of reliable sources--you didn't provide any. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Tom Stourton: Hello! Something you should probably take a look at is WP:COI and probably a few other guidelines I'm forgetting. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 14:46, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Tom Stourton: Your best approach to changing the article would be to propose any changes on the talk page, citing reliable and verifiable published sources that support your proposed changes. If you try to make substantive changes to the article yourself, it will get tagged as having been edited by someone with a conflict of interest. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Shree Janata Secondary school Betaha Bhawanipur,sirah

 Ram Bilas Yadav (talk) 14:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Did you intend to ask a question about editing Wikipedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 14:51, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit Request on BBC Natural History Unit

Hello, on the 6th of August we asked for a number of changes to be made on Talk:BBC Natural History Unit, we've not yet had any responses to our requests. What is the timeframe in which we should expect to receive some feedback? At present the page is factually incorrect and we would like to collaborate with the Wikipedia community to get it updated.

Thank you for your help. BBC Studios Comms (talk) 14:59, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@BBC Studios Comms: There seem to be a stack of requests pending, which may be putting off the volunteer editors who might want to follow up your requests. You could make their task much easier if you converted the references you provided (currently bare URLs) into proper citations as per Template:cite web. We like, for example, to give credit to the authors of the articles cited, as you will appreciate. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I note that an experienced editor has now declined to make some of the changes, which were clear breaches of Wikipedia's policy about promotion (see WP:promotion). Other requests may be OK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Talk:BBC Studios Natural History Unit ― Qwerfjkltalk 15:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The "stack of requests" was never tagged properly with {{request edit}} so the requests never appeared on the category page. I have tagged the remaining open request. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

• The original poster has now been blocked as a clear-cut violation of the username policy (no accounts for organizations). They may or may not come back under a different username. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Priest Infobox

I am translating a polish article about Frank Bayard into English, but it has the Priest Infobox thing at the top. Is it an API thing or something? Can I just translate it by hand and it will work? Osarjusz (talk) 16:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Osarjusz: Hello! I have separated your question to make it easier to answer. As far as I know there is no API that will allow you to translate articles. You can translate it by hand, however you cannot use a machine translation as they tend to be inaccurate. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Dzjien Dobry, Osarjusz, and welcome to the Teahouse. Blaze The Wolf didn 't address the specific question in your post: Infoboxes are local to each edition of Wikipedia. There is no guarantee that a particular infobox in an article will even exist in another edition, or that it will have the same parameters if it does exist (and obviously, the parameter names are likely to be changed). So I don't think there is any alternative to looking for a suitable infobox and at its documentation, and translating/converting manually. --ColinFine (talk) 16:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, ColinFineOsarjusz (talk) 17:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Should this be renamed?

Should Draft:List of capitals in France be renamed to Draft:List of regional prefectures in France or Draft:List of chef-lieux du région in France (because that's what they are called in France)? [PS: The draft is not yet ready, please do not comment on lack of citations or important information.] Excellenc1📞 16:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello? Excellenc1📞

@Excellenc1: I would suggest "List of regional prefectures in France" as the draft title, and "List of chef-lieux du région in France" as a redirect once the article is live. It looks like this is the WP:COMMONNAME, and it conforms to existing article titles. It's not necessary to move a draft to another draft title before it is accepted, but there is no reason not to do so, and I think it could be helpful for the AfC reviewer in case they are not familiar with the administrative structure of France. --bonadea contributions talk 08:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• Done (Draft:List of regional prefectures in France) Thank you. Excellenc1📞 10:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

A question and a comment - there is no legal situation - do not be alarmed

A question and a comment - there is no legal situation - do not be alarmed. One mod seems to be either used to a different legal system or is simply mistaken in his understanding of the law. He thinks that we have escalated a certain situation to be a legal one AND that we are making legal threats. All I was saying there was that there is a way something would be viewed in the Indian Legal System.

This is in reference to edits made to the following page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#:~:text=The%20Fermi%20paradox%2C%20named%20after,estimates%20for%20the%20Drake%20equation).

This could easily to be handled with a great deal of civility and without undue worry for your side in terms of legal action. I ask that your mod stop offering conclusions and opinions as though they were facts. If you are open to discussion, we can chat. But we don't like to be told that we are spamming any one or any forum. If that is your position, then let it be known that we have our position on this matter also, and this is our legal position on this matter also.

Please feel free to send us email. You will find us quite reasonable.

 Qwykrtechsupport (talk) 16:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

This is now at ANI, and that was a legal threat. See WP:NLT -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

We are not "unduly worried" about legal action; indeed I doubt anyone here is worried at all. But your claim "we are quite confident that we would win in an Indian court" was a legal threat, and has been treated accordingly. Maproom (talk) 18:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: Indef blocked. Watch for IP:122.172.54.6 as Q posted at least once not signed in. David notMD (talk) 22:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, that was one of the more bizarre incidents I've seen on w:en. Maybe I need to get around more (or not). ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 19:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Moving Articles from Sandbox

How do I move an article from sandbox to wikipedia? Do i just copy and paste it's contents? Osarjusz (talk) 18:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC) Osarjusz (talk) 18:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Osarjusz: Actually, there should be a little button at the top of your sandbox that will allow you to send your article to the draftspace for review. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:13, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I can't find it, may you tell me more exactly where it is? Osarjusz (talk) 18:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Blaze assumed that you would have included the {{user sandbox}} template in your draft. You hadn't, but I've added it for you. In doing so, I noticed that in the infobox you have tried to use a number of parameters which don't exist for that infobox. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I didn't actually know that was something that wasn't on the page by default. My bad! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

BRUH it appeared out of nowhere after i reloaded the page XD

Well I'm glad you found it! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Change page title

My page is in draft status ... I think? I would like to change the title to the person's full name. Do I need to start over with the draft?

What is the difference between wikitia & wikipedia? My draft is on wikitia ... Thunderwunder (talk) 18:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thunderwunder Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would suggest that you leave a note for the reviewer on the article talk page regarding the title; if the draft is accepted, they will move it to the proper title. Please note that the full name should only be used if that's what most independent reliable sources refer to this person as. See WP:COMMONNAME.

Wikitia is a website that is not a part of Wikipedia, which is similar to Wikipedia but it can only be edited by editors who are vetted and approved as editors(in other words, not everyone can edit it). It is not uncommon for those editors to use Wikipedia drafts as a basis to write articles there. This is permitted as long as they give attribution. 331dot (talk) 18:13, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

References

Hi, I attempted to submit a page that was declined on July 28th for the sunglasses company Ombraz. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ombraz) I would love for someone to glance at the new references and let me know their thoughts, as well as show me how to upload photos without then being taken down. Thanks, Kaspervdk25 (talk) 19:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Kaspervdk25: The article is too much like an advertisement, and the sources don't demonstrate notability. Please see WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE and WP:COI. And WP:RS for more info specifically about sourcing. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for helping contribute to Wikipedia! One thing I can see is that many of the sources are press releases, reviews, and product pages, which may not meet the requirements for "significant coverage" . You might try adding this and this to your sources, where applicable. Try to look through the article and rewrite anything that looks to an outsider like promotional copy. Complete neutrality of the subject is the goal. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with Draft:Proctorio

I am here to get some suggestions as to how I can improve my draft article. This is my second draft ever, and it is linked here: Draft:Proctorio. I started this article in June 2021. I wanted to get it done in 2020, but I decided that it was WP:TOOSOON at that point and waited for a year. After that, I found plenty of articles published by reliable sources that talk about the subject. Unfortunately, my article was declined. Initially, I was a bit surprised upon looking at the reviewer’s comments because I never intended to make an WP:ATTACK page. I thought that by having enough reliable sources, as I will prove below, I would be able to prove the subject’s notability and have my article accepted. I was looking through WP: NCORP again and I felt that I met the requirements:

• All the references are to secondary sources, as they are all news articles.
• Even before my first submission, I had several WP:RS: The New Yorker (x1), The Guardian (x1), The Verge (x3), and the Washington Post (x1). The article also contains campus newspapers and several borderline sources such as Business Insider and Vice. Since the first submission, I have removed a particularly unreliable source (TechCrunch) and added an article by one that is reliable (Times Higher Education).
• Most of the articles have clear information about Proctorio, and it plays a key role in the articles' subject.
• There are virtually no press releases or potentially promotional material cited in the article. When doing research, I encountered lots of press releases and the like but made sure not to cite them. Unfortunately, because I did not use press releases, there is very little information that shows the subject in a positive light.
• In short, every statement has a source, there is no uncited material, and I am not trying to promote the subject.

Since my submission attempt, I have made improvements to the draft, and I am wondering whether these improvements are good enough for me to try again with the submission process. I believe this because if I try again, I might get a different reviewer and they might have different opinions on the article. If not, I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to improve the draft.N0nuun (talk) 19:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC) N0nuun (talk) 19:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@N0nuun: at AFC we have huge backlogs and very few volunteers, so reviewers can't investigate topics in as much detail as they would like. Here, I think the reviewer is expecting that, like with 9 out of 10 drafts that look like this, the article is being created in revenge by an angry student or maliciously by a rival company. Here at the Teahouse, I'm interested in seeing whether it's the 1 in 10. I do see neutrality issues in statements like "Students have expressed high levels of stress due to the abundance of false positives associated with Proctorio" and "Proctorio has falsely placed the logos of Amazon, Duke University, and Louisiana State University on its website". These statements need attribution. Which students expressed stress, according to what newspaper? And the logos are only "falsely placed" according to some critic (would Proctorio describe itself as "falsely placing" the logos?). I see the sources, but you need to give answers in the prose.

I take a slightly more radical position on "Controversy" sections than other editors, but I think most would agree with me that negative content shouldn't be segregated. It cuts both ways—for someone like me who would criticize Proctorio for its racial bias, it's not an ephemeral "controversy" separate from the history of the company or design of the product, but part of that history and design.

I would recommend rewriting to subsume all of the content into "History", "Design" and "Overview" sections (or similar) that are not organized by positive/negative tone but by topic. For instance, the "Response" part of the "Controversies" should be presented in the same paragraph as what the company are responding to.

Feel free to ping me when you've made improvements because I'm an AFC reviewer and I do think this draft is promising. If sources that give positive coverage of Proctorio are being omitted then they'll also need inclusion, because I'll search for them and won't approve a draft that isn't representative of reliable sources. — Bilorv (talk) 20:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Difference between start and stub class

Hello! So, I've been browsing random articles and I've always been confused about the difference between a stub class article and a start class article. Now, I know that every Wikiproject has different specifications for start and stub class articles, but I just want to know what the general difference is as with the naming, it makes me think that any stub class article can be start class and any start class article can be stub class. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Like most things, it's more of a judgement call - see WP:STUBDEF and WP:ASSESS. GoingBatty (talk) 19:46, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

THank you! WP:ASSESS was very helpful in allowing me to see the difference between them. Honestly it seems like stub and start are very similar with very small differences between them. In fact, start could probably just be skipped in most cases. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the answer is "it depends." For an important article -- say the United States an article of 1,000 words might be considered a "stub." But a 300 word article about some small village or river might be given a higher rating.

Your question gives me the opportunity to express a minor irritation. I've written a few short, i.e. 300 words or so, articles. I believe that a 300 word article can be complete with all relevant encyclopedic material included in that length. Thus, it is irritating when a rater automatically (and superficially in my opinion) calls a 300 word article a "stub" or a "start." To my mind, a 300 word article can be a C, B, Good, or even Fine article -- depending of course on the importance of the subject matter. Length does not necessarily equal quality.Smallchief (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor oftentimes a new article of just a few sentences gets expanded to a much longer article, but no one changes the size category, and it remains listed as a stub, even though many people would now consider it a start or a C article. That may confuse readers trying to figure out the difference between a stub or start. When I expand an article I check to see if it would be wise to change the size category. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

To me there's a big difference, Blaze The Wolf. A long article has to be exceptionally bad to be a stub, whereas only the strongest short articles are "start" or higher. 1,500 characters is the "long"/"short" cutoff between stub and start used by many. To advance past the "stub" descriptor, an article can feature several different things: placeholder sections with a sentence of content; reliable sources that aren't yet fully used; a large amount of low-quality (but not irrelevant) content. If an article doesn't do all of these things, then it's not ready for C-class, so that's what Start-class is needed for. (In particular, you need "more than one reliable source" for C-class.)

I think experienced editors rarely write Start-class articles because they have either read just a few sources and written a Stub, or they've read a good deal and written a C-class or higher article. In neither case are they going to write irrelevant content or extremely badly-structured information. — Bilorv (talk) 20:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Bilingual profile description

Is it possible to make 2 separate descriptions for 2 versions of wikipedia, for example the polish one and the english one? Osarjusz (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Osarjusz: Welcome to Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia is a seperate project. If you want to create an article in English, you would add that here. If you want to create an article in Polish, you would go to the Polish Wikipedia, the help desk for that is at pl:Pomoc:Pytania nowicjuszy RudolfRed (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Ah, I forgot about that XD Thanks a lot! Osarjusz (talk) 20:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Osarjusz, also please take note of WP:Translation and WP:Translate us. And RudolfRed, I have replaced your obfuscated (and black-listed) URL with an interwikilink: [[:pl:Pomoc:Pytania nowicjuszy]].--ColinFine (talk) 21:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Google Street View Links

It is ok to put Google Street View links in the articles, unfortunately many of the museum articles I have written do not have images, but I can put in the "External Links" section, a link to Google Street View, Google for years has partnered with multiple museums around the world, it may help readers.-Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 20:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jseb05, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't find anything that discusses this possibility. If you are satisfied that it meets WP:ELMAYBE, then I'd say, go ahead. The worst that can happen is that somebody disagrees and removes it, and then you can have a discussion. --ColinFine (talk) 21:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Help getting a page approved

Our submission for this Wikipedia page keeps being denied for "lack of significant coverage" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Private_Academic_Library_Network_of_Indiana

Would love some advice on how to add that. We are very similar to, for example, this group, whose page appears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbis_Cascade_Alliance or the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_consortium 2603:7080:E506:3AC8:E003:2B88:6E32:60EC (talk) 20:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Before comparing your draft to short Wikipedia articles, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. GoingBatty (talk) 21:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@2603:7080:E506:3AC8:E003:2B88:6E32:60EC, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, coupled with what GoingBatty correctly said above, i note you use the plural “our”?as opposed to the singular “I” in this collaborative project multiple users optimizing one account or an editor using more than one account is prohibited except for reasons covered under WP:LEGITSOCK. Celestina007 (talk) 21:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Building on that, if "Our" and "We" indicate that you have some connection to the Private Academic Library Network of Indiana, then each editor needs to disclose their conflict of interest on their userpage, and understand that they will not be allowed to edit the page if accepted as an article. GoingBatty (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Also please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. Apart from uncontroversial factual information like places and dates, nothing belongs in the article unless a source wholly unconnected with the network has talked about it. Given that your "we" indicates that you are associated with the organisation, your task is even more difficult than it would be for a random editor, because you need to forget every single thing you know about the organisation and write based only on what these independent sources say. I assume you are Meganmckwest? If so, thank you for attempting to declare your COI, but you made two mistakes. The minor one was that you copied the template with <nowiki> and </nowiki> round it, which prevent it from actually being interpreted as a template. The more serious one is that if you are Communications Director at PALNI, then you are not just editing with a COI, but are a paid editor, and you must make a formal declaration of this fact. --ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks all. This is super helpful. This was Megan's project but she is leaving her job and asked me as another employee to look at this.2603:7080:E506:3AC8:3C8D:86CB:6AEF:A62B (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I recommend you create an account and then on the User page, declare your paid connection, as Megan had done. Only then, strive to improve Draft:Private Academic Library Network of Indiana David notMD (talk) 02:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Protecting the Dark Souls 2 article

People keep editing the Dark Souls 2 only to make it look like a bad game, which it really isn't. The page also needs images such as gameplay screenshots. Please lock the page to prevent vandalism. Michael Santana9 (talk) 21:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Michael Santana9, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, without much investigating into the context what you are looking for can be found here see WP:RFPP and you can ask (with cogent reason) that the article be protected. Celestina007 (talk) 21:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@Michael Santana9: Welcome to the Teahouse! To request screenshots, you can go to add Talk:Dark Souls 2 to add |screenshot=yes to {{WikiProject Video games}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Syntax Error

 WinnipegMA (talk) 21:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC) When I put this syntax

Venus Temperature
Type	Temperature
High surface temperature	900°F (482°C)
Normal surface temperature	847°F (453°C)
low surface temperature	820°F (438°C)

The box goes on the bottom of the page even if I put this syntax on the top of the page. I tested it on my sandbox and it did not go on the bottom of the page but if I put it on an actual Wikipedia article it goes on the bottom of the page. I have seen this, the same syntax on other articles and it worked fine.

EEng, Buidhe which of you technical computer brains wants to handle this? Celestina007 (talk) 21:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@WinnipegMA: Welcome to the Teahouse! When you start a table with {|, you need to end it with |}. I added it to the table you posted here. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

@WinnipegMA:, I'm not an expert however when I removed the float:left style it seems to have fixed the issue. I made the change in this edit to demonstrate the difference McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 22:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Translation credits

I have found that when I translate an article I should leave a message like this:

'Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at fr:Exact name of French article; see its history for attribution'

But where should it be? I can't see anything I post into my draft's submissions history. Osarjusz (talk) 22:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I believe you are supposed to place that in the edit summary when you make your edit. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

For help about translation, please read Help:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Or, briefly: Yes, you must provide a summary like that for the first of your edits; additionally, you should provide more specific information on the talk page of the article that you've created/edited. Yes, this is all explained in Help:Translation (which would be more accurately titled "Both help and requirements for translation"). -- Hoary (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

To add to what Hoary said, use Template:Translated page (ex. {{translated|fr|exact name of French article}} on the talk page and you should be good. Bkissin (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Population of Afghanistan

I see the following in the article about Afghanistan's population: "Afghanistan's population is roughly 34 million.[16] Of these, 15 million are male and 14.2 million are female.[17]"

Something's wrong with the math here. 2600:1702:4760:12E0:59FB:12D1:FC0F:91E2 (talk) 22:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the great question and for being a part of Wikipedia. It looks like it says this: "the total number of Afghans living inside Afghanistan was about 26 million[7] and by 2017 it reached 29.2 million. Of this, 15 million are males and 14.2 million are females." This figure appears to exclude Afghan nationals, which are included in the total population count, but not for the population within the border, as is stated. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

John Mitchum -Actor

I was just watching "Tales of Wells Fargo" (S5:E23 A Show from Silver Lode) and thought I knew the actor playing Charlie the Wells Fargo Agent. The actor is John Mitchum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mitchum). There is no credit for him on his wikipedia page or on the wikipedia page for "Tales of wells Fargo". If I was more PC savvy, I would help with editing. 135.129.115.7 (talk) 22:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

If the role was minor there'd be little point to adding it. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 23:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! If you like, you can post to Talk:John Mitchum and ask then what criteria is being used for the "Select filmography" in the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Finding someone to help me build a Wikipedia page we will provide all research and write the articles for a Doctor Who is deceased.

 Dr. George M. Austin (talk) 01:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

First, see WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Wikipedia is not a memorial site.

Second, do it yourself. Go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation and follow the instructions about how to create a draft article and submit it for review and approval.

Third (and this is important) if you are being compensated in any way, or if you have any conflict of interest with the topic you want to write about, you must disclose this, as you entered into a legally-binding agreement to such disclosure when you created an account here. See WP:PAID. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

"We" suggests a group effort. Accounts are to individuals. Not to say people cannot work with you, but only one person makes actual entry to the draft. David notMD (talk) 02:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Separately, if you mean an actor who was in the role as the Doctor on the TV show, then The Doctor (Doctor Who) shows that articles exist for all of the actors who have held this role. David notMD (talk) 02:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Dr. George M. Austin. I'm guessing that the Dr Austin is the doctor you wish to write about: if that is so, you must not use the name of a real person for your account unless you are that person. You should stop using that account immediately, and create a new one which is personal to you (you do not have to use your real name for it: I do, but many editors use pseudonyms; but it must not be somebody else's name. You could change the name on that account, but since you have made no other edits, it's easier just to abandon it). Note that Wikipedia will accept an article only if the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that enough has been published about him by people unconnected with him to form the basis of an article. --ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Bemused apologies, the errant capitalization of "Who" led me in a very wrong direction. I am now guessing you mean George M. Austin (1916-2002). If true, as advised above, abandon the account you are using. I did find https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1179/016164103101201517 which may prove useful as a reference. David notMD (talk) 12:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Odd citation

Hello Teahouse hosts. I've come across two citations I merged from one article to another. They are odd, not well done, and I do not know how to mark them. There is a citation to a reliable source, but the citation takes one to the Amazon buy-this-reliable-source page and the other to a publisher. You may view them HERE, numbers 35 and 36.

So, what are your ideas of how I should note these? Most kind regards, Hu Nhu (talk) 03:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 03:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

What now cites reference 35 is "The latitude of the landing was indicated at 38° North in the official State-sanctioned account published as a chapter in Richard Hakluyt’s Principal Navigations in 1589." The reference is to a page on Cambridge UP's website advertising a recent reprint of something that I'd guess (but don't know) would be "the official State-sanctioned account". Unsurprisingly, the web page doesn't say that the latitude of the landing was indicated at 38° North. Therefore this "reference" is near-useless. What now cites reference 36 is "The manuscript draft of this chapter recently identified in the British Library as an abstract from the chaplain’s journal indicated the landing at 44° North." Reference 36 is to a retailer. I confess that I haven't read the entire page, but neither of the strings "British Library" or "44" appears anywhere in it. Therefore this "reference" is a fraud. (And even if it did back it up, Wikipedia shouldn't depend on a retailer's say-so.) I'd comment on the talk page, wait a couple of weeks, and then, if there's no reasoned, persuasive disagreement, remove these and any other worthless or fraudulent references. That's because worthless "references" are worse than no references: the former lull the moderately attentive reader into assuming that all of this is backed up somewhere; the latter warn the reader who's at least moderately attentive not to be credulous. -- Hoary (talk) 04:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks Hoary. You well articulate my concerns. I've linked this conversation to Talk:Fringe theories on the location of New Albion and alerted the original editor. I do believe the editor can correct them if the editor actually locates the particular books. Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Association Football National Team's Results section

I wanted to know what is the standard template used for a national football team page's results section? The template on Indian national football team has been edited saying that it's the new template, but according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams it's still the old one. Footy2000 (talk) 04:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Footy2000: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you don't receive an answer here, you might want to ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:15, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

AUDT Coin in Australian ERC-20 History Fund

Hello, Wiki people. I need some help with my coin page. Found a email day before about approving my page, and now it's sppedy deleted. Also I found the same pages with not so cool sources like [[::Category:Ethereum_tokens]] Aventus Protocol Basic Attention Token Kik Messenger Kodak Coin. Am I right that there is a mistke or I made smth wrong, sir? Vsehmogushiy2 (talk) 10:03, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy-deletes are difficult. The two reasons given are (1) advertising, and (2) not notable. Forget the animal/person bit, the notability criteria apply to everything, including organisations and digital coins. I think you should click the 'contest' button, and also discuss this with David Gerard, who applied the speedy-delete tag. You will need good references indicating that the AUDT coin is notable, which ideally means mainstream news sources discussing it in some depth. Press releases from the company itself won't do. This means also that the sorts of news sources that merely regurgitate press-releases won't prove notability either, and nor will business-lists that merely report turnover or who the latest CEO is. Interviews and YouTube clips are usually unhelpful, unless they are from a reputable, independent news channel, and/or involve acknowledged independent professionals. The perfect source would be an Australian national newspaper, or similar. You must then discuss what aspect of the wording made David Gerard feel that it was promotional. To some extent, if you solve the references problem, the promotion problem will solve itself. If you stick to saying what you can reference with genuinely independent sources, it probably won't sound promotional. Don't be discouraged if the decision remains to delete. This is not a reflection on you, nor is it an eternal decision. This is a fairly new currency, and it may be too soon (i.e. it may be that not enough independent sources have written about it yet, but they will do, over the next few years).
A final explanation: the fact that the article was accepted into main-space doesn't unfortunately defend it from being deleted straight away! The acceptance into main-space is a rough screen to remove articles that will definitely get deleted. You wrote the article well enough that it passed the screen. Elemimele (talk) 11:11, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Vsehmogushiy2: The article Aventus Protocol has far better sourcing than the one you are referring to, and Kik Messenger so much better as to put it in a different world. There is really no comparison with the article you have asked about. Basic Attention Token is not an article, but just a redirect link to another article on a different topic, and there is not, and never has been, an article Kodak Coin. Did you make some kind of mistake when you mentioned those? JBW (talk) 12:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

• • Nope KodakCoin. If I undestand trully all other work for Wikipedia Australia or other coins or working in draft page doesn't matter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vsehmogushiy2 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I use this signature?

 Excellenc1 (talk) 11:50, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Fine for me. It corresponds with your textual Username and is accessible to Screen readers. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Shushugah, is it so that only experienced editors/teahouse hosts are supposed to have fancy signatures (ones with background colour, font colour and/or emojis)? Excellenc1 (talk) 15:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 There are no rules about that whatsoever! Do as you please! Ultimately collectively our goal here is to Wikipedia:Build an encyclopedia, but if people have some fun/self expression along the way, that cannot hurt :) Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: While anyone may choose to create a custom signature, make sure that it abides by custom signature guidelines and policies. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Cars 3 (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)

I would like to edit Cars 3 (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) information on wikipedia, I can add the writers information and producer information to the tracklist, thank you  HimuEdits (talk) 12:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@HimuEdits: Hello Himu! You can request an edit to the page at the talk page of the page you are wanting to edit! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I've added all the writers information of cars 3 soundtrack page correctly. :) HimuEdits (talk) 13:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

No problem! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@HimuEdits I have merged your reply onto the actual discussion itself. In the future, when you want to reply to an discussion instead of creating/adding a new one, simply click the [Edit] or [Edit source] beside the discussion heading. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll Okay thank you, i don't know much as I'm new here but I'm learning now and I have edited a lot of stuff here like music albums details and animated movies details and it makes me feel so good:))

How to write a proper Biography article of an Author?

How to write a proper Biography article of an Author? Techprecious (talk) 12:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Techprecious:

1. Find acceptable sources. These are going to be sources that (1) have professional editorial oversight that fact-checks, retracts, and discloses, (2) discuss the subject at length, and (3) haven't been directly influenced by the subject, their goons, or their money.
2. Tell anyone screaming from on high to shut up and stay out of the way, and make sure to publicly disclose any such employee/client or contractor/client relationships publicly on your userpage.
3. Forget everything you know about the subject and write the article using only information the sources explicitly provide. Do not promote, editorialise, or include random details about whether they prefer football or cricket. Make sure to source everything that could potentially be challenged for any reason. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 13:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
4. And don't WP:COPYPASTE from sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Tarun Bhatnagar. In the future, do not ask here and at Help, as that wastes volunteers' time. David notMD (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Stopping archival

Hello! So I've tried stopping my talk page archival, however despite adding the part to the code that tells it to stop, the archival bot that's running on my talk page still archived my talk page. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf You need to add {{subst:DNAU}} onto the discussion thread itself as suppose to outside of the discussion thread. Currently, your talk page have 4 discussion thread, if you want to delay all of them then add it to each discussion. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh ok. THank you! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf No problem. Happy editing! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Is this okay to delete something that you know is not true even if you don't have proof?

Over a year ago I saw a sentence in the "Staniszów" article: "After World War II the region was placed under Polish administration and ethnically cleansed according to the post-war Potsdam Agreement." My understanding is that "ethnic cleansing" means something entirely different, and there is no evidence that there was "ethnic cleansing" in Staniszów in 1945, so I removed it. I just saw that the same phrase was re-added to the article. Should I remove it again? I do not have a source that says "there was no ethnic cleansing in Staniszów" but it's very difficult to disprove a negative. What should I do here? Hattie Cape (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

In such a context, I would post on the article's talk page to discuss this with the editor with whom you're having a disagreement. Concepts like "ethnic cleansing" are very, very bitterly disputed. Also, remember: nomenclature is arbitrary. Something happened in Staniszów. DS (talk) 14:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I looked at the History of the article. The editor who re-added the "ethnic cleansing" sentence is 87.189.199.156. I will post on the article talk page but I will also remove the sentence again, because just because "something" happened, doesn't mean it was "ethnic cleansing". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hattie Cape (talk • contribs)

Just don't keep changing it back and forth. That will be seen as edit-warring and won't look good. You may struggle to get any communication with an editor who's working from an IP address, but you have to try. If they are putting the statement in with no reference to back it up, you can always insert {{cn}} to point out that this is a statement that requires a citation ("citation needed"). If the tag remains there for a significant length of time without anyone inserting the citation, it strengthens your case for removing the statement! If you can't get any agreement with the IP editor and an edit-war is looking inevitable, you can make a request for comment [2], to try to involve more editors; hopefully they will bring alternative viewpoints, and some consensus will emerge. Elemimele (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Elemimele. I understand this. I read the Request for Comments page and also a lot of other pages with guidelines. While I was reading the page titled "Wikipedia:Content removal" I saw this paragraph: "Wikipedia's verifiability guidelines require all information to be citable to sources. When information is unsourced, and it is doubtful any sources are available for the information, it can be boldly removed." So I think this phrase about "ethnically cleansed" qualifies as one of those statements? After all, many of those small villages near the borders did have a mix of German-speaking and Polish-speaking residents before 1945, so it seems that using highly-charged language like "ethnically cleansed" should have a source if it is to remain. Hattie Cape (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

This has become quite a reasonable content-discussion, so I've replied at Talk:Staniszów. But German/Polish relationships following WWII are not my area of knowledge, so take everything I write with a hefty pinch of salt. Elemimele (talk) 19:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the article or the talk page and I don't have expertise on the specific topic, Hattie Cape, but if something is being described as ethnic cleansing without a source that supports that interpretation, the burden is on the editor who added that description to provide a source - and it should be removed if one can't be found. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Cordless Larry. I felt the same way. I removed the same phrase from other articles that had that same exact stuff (I guess it was copy-pasted) without any source. Hattie Cape (talk) 13:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

{{use dmy dates}} and {{use british english}}by default update for all articles to uk

we can update {{use dmy dates}} on articles (persons living of dead) related to uk. is my assumption correct? {{use british english}} can be only updated articles to uk or have predominantly british english. or can it be updated for all articles (persons living of dead) related to uk? 28july21 (talk) 13:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@28july21: Welcome to the Teahouse! Those templates are OK for articles related to the UK, unless the established consensus for the article is to use a different date format (see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Formats "Strong national ties to a topic" vs "Retaining existing format") or different style of English (see {{Use Oxford spelling}}). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I now publish this template?

Not so long ago, I had asked if I should publish a navbox template I made in my sandbox which had, back then, a lot of red links (Original question here). Later I worked on it, it is still very red, but better (when I had orignally asked, there were 7 or 8 blue links, now 30 (but out of 101 total links)). Can I now publish the template because after the creation of all 101 articles, I cannot individually add this template to each one of them, and if I start from now, I can add at least to the 30 articles + the rest of them I will eventually be making? And reading the original question's answers, you may still doubt their (the article links') notability as they are all stubs, made in the same layout/format. Excellenc1 (talk) 14:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Excellenc1. It looks OK to me. I suggest adding | below = [[List of presidents of departmental councils (France)|List of presidents]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:

1. I don't know where and how to add the presidents section.
2. Most departmental council presidents' articles are red links, like the council itself. And I assume notability is not hereditary, so the presidents may not be notable like the council itself. Excellenc1 (talk) 06:35, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Named parameters can be added in any order. below is displayed at the end so it's usually added at the end. I have added it [3] but you are free to remove it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:28, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: How do I then add the list of presidents (the content) to the template? Excellenc1 (talk) 13:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: I only suggested to add a link to the list and have already done it. There is nothing more to do. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Need help, new to wikipedia

Hey! I hope you read my previous answer on Cars 3 (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) So I'm here creating pages, correcting soundtrack details etc and so i noticed an EP was missing here so i created a page for it (work in progress) I wanted to ask for some help but before that i just went there to fix it myself but what do i see it just redirected me and what do i see

somebody vandalized it, although i undo the changes he made but can you help me like protect the page or something like only authenticated users can edit it! The page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_My_Messy_Mind Please see history as when i created it and just a few hours ago somebody came and vandalized it, do help! Thank you! HimuEdits (talk) 14:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I just checked history and it looks like that user had done rediricitng again with my article which i fixed later without noticing the change. and this time he just erased my article although i undo it, Could you please tell me how to protect it?

HimuEdits Not vandalism. The editor in question disagreed with a need for a separate article Oh My Messy Mind, so changed it to a redirect to James Bay discography. You changed it back. Proper next step is to reach out to the editor on that person's Talk page and ask why. Be aware that Onel5969 has been editing since 2013, and has created scores of articles. David notMD (talk) 18:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay first so you don't get confused it's me I got my username got changed, Now listen, I get it he edits or does whatever but wait, Every EP and studio album has their own page see for exmaple James Bay Chaos and the Calm, Ed Sheeran album Divide or Ed Sheeran's EP Songs I wrote with Amy.

Now please be with me, There was no page regarding the EP Oh My Messy Mind, So I created one and added a link everywhere like on peer pressure song like it's from EP oh my messy mind so i just added link. I don't understand if we think like that, Then ed sheeran divide album and all other albums too be removed and instead be redirected to their discorography, fair point? Just checked and yes the page it redirects to is okay but wait that page itself has links to Chaos and the Calm, Electric Light, so why can't it be for the page I created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HimuTheEditor (talk • contribs) 08:28, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Do templates count?

In the list of Wikipedians by article count, do templates and stubs created count? Excellenc1 (talk) 15:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: I'm not certain, but the specification of "article creations" (my emphasis) in the first sentence of that page presumably means that creations in the Template namespace are not counted. Stub articles in mainspace, on the other hand, are presumably counted. Deor (talk) 16:03, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by article count#FAQ #5 confirms that it uses the list of articles, which would include article stubs but not templates. GoingBatty (talk) 00:31, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki-Rickroll?

What are the possible consequences of rickrolling someone on Teahouse? (Note: I haven't done so; just out of curiosity. I acknowledge that Teahouse is a forum of serious discussions and queries.) Excellenc1 (talk) 15:05, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

One consequence is that people will think you're a pillock. And as you've chosen a particularly conspicuous signature, they'll remember it was you. Maproom (talk) 15:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Just don't do it. It's against WP:RICKROLL. Consequences could for example be a warning for disruptive editing, and lowering the threshold for future blocks. On the milder end, some users could ignore future posts from you instead of helping. Even if it's a reply to a specific user, we have many helpers and readers, and you wouldn't just be rickrolling "someone". PrimeHunter (talk) 15:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't really see what I'm supposed to look at at WP:RICKROLL Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:54, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Do you know Rickrolling? It's about unexpected links to a certain YouTube video. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Whatever the other consequences, we're never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you Chuntuk (talk) 22:19, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Request another editor to look at an article

Hello! So I'm wanting to know where I would go to request another editor to take a look at a specific article. I'm having some issues with an article currently with some IPs adding information that I have no clue whether or not it's true or constructive due to my lack of knowledge on the subject of the article. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf WP:PEERREVIEW. ― Qwerfjkltalk 17:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How to contact another contributor?

I found some reliably-sourced information to enhance a person's page, which has been heavily updated by another contributor. I would like to discuss this with them out of courtesy for the work they've been doing. What is the proper way to contact them? Post on their talk page? Thanks.

<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Maddalena"</a>

--Joeythegimp (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC) Joeythegimp (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

You are correct. Leave a message on their talk page. Happy editing! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Pyrrho! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeythegimp (talk • contribs) 18:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Want Guides on How to Publish a Post on Wikipedia

Hello..I'm new to this Site. I am a good article writer, and I need Help on how to publish a post on Wikipedia. I wrote a post and published it earlier but it seemed as if it was not Published by Wiki. I need help on the right ways to publish an acceptable post. Emmy Rey (talk) 18:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Emmy Rey, hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I assume you mean what we call a Wikipedia article. This is difficult for a beginner but here is some guidance: Pick a topic that meets the demands at WP:GNG. If you don't have the sources demanded there, what you write will be removed. Next, learns how to add inline citations correctly, this is essential. WP:TUTORIAL and WP:REFBEGIN can help with that. Guidance on how to start an article is at WP:YFA, and if you intend to wrtite about a living person, read WP:BLP as well. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

To be specific, it appears that you want to create an article about either William Kumuyi or Deeper Christian Life Ministry. Both of these already exist. You have done some editing on the latter. David notMD (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How to contribute to Disney article

 Kayle123 (talk) 20:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kayle123, and welcome to Wikipedia!

To get started on Wikipedia in general, click on the green welcome.

After familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia and how to contribute, you're welcome to begin making or suggesting edits to most articles, including Disney articles. Feel free to return to here if you have more specific questions along your journey. See you around! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

New-York Central College article

For some reason there is a hyphen between New and York in the title and other places in this article- I removed the hyphens where I could but can not get the hyphen out of the title

How is this done? Is an account required?

The incorrect hyphen is also on the following pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New-York_Central_College

New-York Central College alumni‎ (8 P) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New-York_Central_College_alumni

New-York Central College faculty‎ (5 P) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New-York_Central_College_faculty

Thank you for your help 67.249.88.229 (talk) 20:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@67.249.88.229: The hyphen appears to be correct in the name of the short-lived college. See [[4]]. You're better off discussing on the college's talk page. Perhaps add a hidden note to future editors who want to remove the hyphens, as you did. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Contributions

 WinnipegMA (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I see my user contributions without clicking the Contributions button on the top right corner?

You can use this URL, with your username at the end, like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/WinnipegMA Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi WinnipegMA. See Wikipedia:Keyboard shortcuts for a way to use the keyboard for this and other things. The access key for your contributions is y. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Glitches

How do I report glitches on Wikipedia?  WinnipegMA (talk) 21:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@WinnipegMA: It depends, because it may not be a glitch, but if it is, WP:TVP works. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

It would also be helpful to know a little bit more about the glitch, because village pump technical is the ideal place for certain types of glitches, but other things which might be described as glitches would be better reported elsewhere. For example, someone might see some vandalism and think of it as a glitch but that should not be reported to village pump technical.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick someone might see some vandalism and think of it as a glitch but that should be reported to village pump technical I presume you meant "but that should not be reported to village pump technical"? ― Qwerfjkltalk 08:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl, Oops yes, thanks S Philbrick(Talk) 13:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Syntax

Is there any way I can see all syntaxes usable in Wikipedia?  WinnipegMA (talk) 21:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

WinnipegMA, we have a convention whereby we sign at the end of a comment (and optionally put the name of the addressee at the start. As an editor of Wikipedia, you use Mediawiki markdown syntax, and a limited range of HTML and CSS. Please see Help:Cheatsheet. -- Hoary (talk) 21:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi WinnipegMA. You can try looking at Help:Wikitext. It may not cover everything, but it seems to cover quite a lot of what's commonly used. Finally, I've re-organized your question a bit. For future references, it's better to add your signature to the end of your posts and not the beginning like you did when you posted the above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I add my signature below?— Preceding unsigned comment added by WinnipegMA (talk • contribs) 21:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

You write your comment or question or whatever. Then you hit the spacebar once, and then you hit "~" four times in a row. -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Dayton, Texas needs more help than I know how to give

Hello Again. I am starting to feel like an old timer who still hasn't learned enough to advance passed beginner. I did look through a lot of help articles before I ended up back here, because they made me more confused than when I started. Here's the situation:

One of my friends sent me a link to Dayton, Texas with the message, "Help! Can you fix this?" I went and checked it out, and someone had completely broken the code tags such that the "info box" was just a bunch of code at the top of the page. I hunted through and cleaned up the code so it would show up right, and sent my friend an "All done" message. They fired back 5 minutes later with, "Did you notice that the "History" section is a direct cut-and-paste from "Handbook of Texas"? I sighed, and went to check. Sure enough, word for word, but the edit that did it was from 12 Oct 2006. A handful of edits since have slightly altered the wording but it is essentially a direct quote from a copyrighted website. Short of rewriting the article myself (which if I carve out enough time I might do), how does this get handled/fixed? And before you ask, the talk page (I think) does not contain any human (not bot/admin) contributions so clearly no humans are looking at the talk page. (PS They did not even cite the copied source Dayton, TX on Texas State Historical Association "Handbook of Texas") Katrazyna (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

C4, TNT, gunpowder.... copyright infringement is copyright infringement. Sometimes content is in Wikipedia first, copied elsewhere without attribution, but the source you identified predates Wikipedia. Interestingly, a copyright check turned up a website with a lot of duplicate content, but that one is likely a copy of Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 22:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD Ok... I think I have the idea. I deleted the direct quote, and replaced it with an extremely brief summary with citation. It probably needs a lot more help that I don't currently have time for but the copyrighted material is gone... I think. Is that more or less what should have happened? Katrazyna (talk) 23:25, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

You cut the content and ref'd the Handbook. Excellent. David notMD (talk) 23:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox

Is there a limit in how much you can edit your sandbox. If there is what is the number and can you get blocked from editing too much in your sandbox?  WinnipegMA (talk) 21:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi WinnipegMA. There's no firm limit on "how much" you can edit your sandbox, but your sandbox will need to comply with Wikipedia:User pages like any other page in your username space. For the most part, editors are given a bit of leeway when it comes to their sandboxes, but anything clearly inappropriate can be removed per Wikipedia:User pages#Ownership and editing of user pages. Moreover, if you spend too much time in your sandbox in what appears to be unrelated to helping improve Wikipedia, then other editors might begin to think you're editing for the wrong reasons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

900 centigrade is definitely not 482 Fahrenheit. But if you want to say it is in your sandbox, there's no rule against it. Maproom (talk) 23:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Submission in review limbo

Hi guys and girls, my submission has been pending review for about 24 hrs now, and I see no option to resubmit. How can I get it done? Fogetu2 (talk) 22:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Please employ patience. -- Hoary (talk) 22:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Fogetu2, I assume this is about Draft:Kirk Lee. When a reviewer considers it, their main concern will be "does this article establish that its subject is notable, by citing several reliable independent published sources with significant discussion of the subject?". Your draft cites 75 sources, almost all of them (I haven't checked them all) failing on at least of those criteria. So a reviewer is likely to give up in despair and move on to a more productive use of their time. If you want a speedy review, I recommend deleting almost all of those references (and almost all of the videography section), while retaining the good references, assuming there are any in there. If your draft gets accepted, you can then add all that stuff back in. Maproom (talk) 23:14, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

A lot of those references are for Lee's contributions to this or that, and are Youtube videos. If it isn't absolutely clear that the video was uploaded to Youtube by the copyright holder, delete the reference. If it isn't absolutely clear from the video, or from the text accompanying the video, that Lee's contribution was as your draft claims, delete the reference. (Many new editors add "references" that don't back up what has just been said but instead are appendages, as if saying "Look, this is what I'm talking about." These aren't genuine references and mustn't be presented as if they were.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

HoaryThanks, So your basically saying leave the ones where I put my name on it when I was making the video? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fogetu2 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Fogetu2: Thank you for declaring your conflict of interest with this draft. Your goal should be putting aside everything you know about Lee, finding independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of Lee, and summarizing what they say. If the YouTube links don't make Lee's involvement clear, they should not be included. I added more comments on the draft. Happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 01:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

World's Largest Fire Hydrant

Okey dokey fellow Wikipedians, I have an article idea. What if I wrote an article about the world's largest fire hydrant? Or made a list of the, say, top 10? Or wrote an article about the world's largest working fire hydrant? Are any of these already a thing?

I'd like to know what a couple other editors think and what some suggested news sources would be (e.g. Just NYT style or local CBS or ABC affiliate channels too? Could I use something like this?).

I look forward to the responses! WikiIsKnowledge (talk) 23:46, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiIsKnowledge, first, you can look for existing articles related to fire hydrants as easily as I can. (Tip: via categories.) And secondly, if you're saying "I have an amusing idea; I don't know anything about it and I don't know how I'd find out anything about it", you're barking up the wrong tree. -- Hoary (talk) 23:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, it's not an "amusing" idea. I used to live near the world's largest working hydrant and I've been researching others. I wanted to see if it was an acceptable article topic and which sources were acceptable for Wikipedia. I already looked it up, but I'll try using categories. Thanks, WikiIsKnowledge (talk) 00:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@WikiIsKnowledge: this is more suited with a brief mention in the fire hydrant article, but not as its own article - IMHO. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:13, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Timtempleton Good idea. I'll do that. Thanks. WikiIsKnowledge (talk) 00:16, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I can hardly imagine either that reliable sources are available for constructing a list of the ten largest fire hydrands or that people would be interested in such a list if constructed. OTOH many people's tastes are utter mysteries to me: I could be wrong; you could be right. Are there articles that list "Largest...."? Yes there are: see Special:PrefixIndex for "Largest" (though note that the huge majority are shown in italics and are therefore mere redirects). Ditto for "Tallest" and so forth. -- Hoary (talk) 00:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@WikiIsKnowledge: You would have to find reliable sources that demonstrate notability per WP:GNG or WP:NLIST. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there an automatic translator and can it be turned off?

On the Talk page for William Weaver, I posted, "In the list of translations, each book has the title in English and then, if you look at "Edit source," the title in Italian. In the article, however, the title in Italian is automatically translated to English, sometimes differently from the first title in English, and sometimes without proper spacing. I don't know how to turn off the automatic translator.Maurice Magnus (talk) 18:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC) The same problem occurs after The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana in Biography.Maurice Magnus (talk) 19:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there in fact an automatic translator? If not, what is creating the problem I identified? Maurice Magnus (talk) 23:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus: Replied at Talk:William Weaver#List of translations. GoingBatty (talk) 01:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:William Weaver#List of translationsMaurice Magnus (talk) 01:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

help in saving account from deletion

can someone please help in improving the article Juliana000 (talk) 00:02, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

This is most likely about Anjali Phougat. @Juliana000: - let the deletion discussion run its course. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

can you please guide how to improve the article? really appreciate your help and quick reply @Timtempleton: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliana000 (talk • contribs)

Juliana000, large quantities of this are completely unreferenced. Add reliable references. Remove anything that can't be reliably referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 00:38, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Juliana000: I suggest you remove the "Articles" section, and use some of those links as references for the other sections. GoingBatty (talk) 01:13, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

thank you Hoary User:GoingBatty how many days we have to get these issues fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliana000 (talk • contribs)

Normally the "AfD" process lasts seven days, but in order to make much of an influence on it you'd better take drastic action much more quickly than that. Incidentally, please sign any comment by hitting "~" four times in a row. -- Hoary (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hoary thanks you can you or someone please help to fix the issue — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliana000 (talk • contribs) 12:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Juliana000 I'm wondering if you have a particular interest in this article or its subject? 331dot (talk) 14:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Juliana000: I tweaked the existing references and deleted lots of unreferenced information. However, it's up to you to find additional reliable sources to prevent the article from being deleted. If you have any conflict of interest, please declare it on your user page before proceeding. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Mission Statements

Hello Wikipedia!

I'm a new editor and had a general question about mission statements WP:MISSION. I've come across some articles that quote their companies' mission statements. In general, should these be deleted? Or are small blurbs ok? Just curious before I edit. Apologies if this is a dumb question...again, I am learning :) Spacebarz (talk) 00:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Spacebarz: Unless the mission statement gets a lot of press, like Google's "Do no evil", it's best to skip. Otherwise you'll get an article flagged for being too promotional. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Spacebarz, please point to a problematic example. -- Hoary (talk) 00:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick responses!@Timtempleton @Hoary
This is what sparked my curiosity: Netherlands Economic Medal CabinetSpacebarz (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Spacebarz, the "mission statement" is summarized; it's short, non-promotional, and actually informative. It's fine. (This is not a defence of the article, which has serious problems. But the mission statement isn't one of them.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hoary Great explanation. Many thanks!
Spacebarz (talk) 00:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Unintelligible content

I'm a newly enrolled Wikipedia editor, although I've been a professional editor in 'realspace' for many years. Over time, I've picked up the skill of figuring out what people are trying to get at, even when their text is so riddled with errors that the average person would not be able to make sense of it. However, I recently read a section in one of the published articles that defeated me. The grammar and syntax in the whole section was so dislocated that it left no workable clue to the author's intended meaning. Any attempt at deduction would have been sheer guesswork! What does one do in a case like that? Editingfrank (talk) 00:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Editingfrank: Thanks for trying to help. You can fix it (best solution), or flag (template) it for needing copy editing. See Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup#Copy editing for templates. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

WP:TNT, perhaps. Please specify the article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Why am not an autoconfirmed user?

 Hanny M (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

According to Special:UserRights/Hanny M you are. What's the problem? Meters (talk) 00:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Is the problem perhaps in some tentacle of Wikimedia other than English-language Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 00:35, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Editors creating paintings for articles

This is an odd one so I thought I would ask here, where odd questions are welcomed. Over at this version of Barbara Teller Ornelas, the infobox image is a watercolour painting of the subject, done by the editor who created the page. I'm sure we would be OK with an editor having taken a photograph and added it to an article they created, since photographs are relatively 'objective', but I am wondering what others think about the portrait being an artistic interpretation? I've asked the editor about possible COI, but that's a separate issue. Thanks. --- Possibly ☎ 00:44, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Possibly, for letting me know via my talk page that you were starting a discussion at the Teahouse. I would also like to add my input to the discussion here, as I have done on my talk page and on the Barbara Teller Ornelas talk page. I am a professional artist. Some of my paintings are in museums. I made a quick painting, I believe a good one, for the article because there was no photo. Please feel free to add a photo to the article if you find one. Maybe Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia should establish some criteria for paintings used as portraits. Second, I have not met Barbara Teller Ornelas. There is no COI. I created the article for the WikiProject: Indigenous women. Shari Garland (talk) 04:39, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

It seems like the discussion has taken root on the article talk page, which might be the best place to respond if anyone is interested. --- Possibly ☎ 04:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Collapsible tables

I'm unsure whether it's appropriate to use WP:COLLAPSE tables for long podcast episode lists because MOS:COLLAPSE appears to have deprecated collapsible tables. Would extremely long episode tables be a possible exception? Input would be appreciated at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Podcasting#Lists_of_Episodes (These might also provide more context: Talk:The_Adam_Buxton_Podcast and Talk:Up_and_Vanished) TipsyElephant (talk) 02:08, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

who d dumfuk is ZimZalaBim

 2601:140:8500:870:DCB1:DDFA:8FAF:3AE5 (talk) 02:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, IP editor. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia than anyone can edit at least once. Avoid using the term "virtuistic" and please read WP:How to edit a page.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:19, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

ZimZalaBim is the experienced editor who reverted your edit because you deleted content that was supported by a reference. David notMD (talk) 02:25, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Messages to other editors

How do I send a message to another editor? The person's user name appears in the history of an article. I have received messages from other people. Roryjohnston (talk) 03:31, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Roryjohnston: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can go to a user's talk page (their signatures have a link to it, or you can click on the talk link next to their name in the history page) and edit it to leave them a message. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Roryjohnston: Welcome to the Teahouse! The preferred way to send a message is by posting on the user's talk page. You can also go to the user's page (or talk page) and click the "Email this user" link of the left toolbar - see Wikipedia:Emailing users. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

correction in Date Of Birth

There are actors and other personalities whose date of birth mentioned on their Wikipedia article is incorrect. I am saying it on the basis of their interviews, youtube videos and social media, where they have mentioned their correct DOB or age. I had tried changing a few DOB earlier but wasn't able to due to lack of reliable sources. Now, even after trying and researching, I can't find a reliable source to support the fact; and to make the respective correction I'll indeed need a source or something. Are there any suggestions regarding it on how to correct date of birth regardless of having an accurate or reliable source. ManaliJain (talk) 05:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Plenty of actors and other "personalities" like to impress their audiences with their relative youth. (It's unusual for a "personality" to object to being described as younger than [they claim] they really are.) Well, find a source that's more authoritative than the source that the article currently cites, and bring this matter up on the article's talk page. If you can't do that, there's not much that you can do. -- Hoary (talk) 06:19, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@ManaliJain Per WP:DOB, when in doubt, exclude. If a WP-bio lacks a DOB, that's perfectly fine. You may find Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons/Archive_48 helpful. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@ManaliJain: If no sources explicitly mention the date of birth, or the year of birth; the best is to remove such dates from Wikipedia articles. If a reliable source says "someone was x-years in the year "x", we may use that to count the possible year of birth. This too is okay. If they've stated their date of birth on their "verified personal sources" as so and so, it is okay to use such sources and add the correct DOB accordingly. Best ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Stanford Prison Experiment - revisions need checking (urgently?)

I've been working with a small team of editors, most of us novices still, to improve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment before it is listed this Friday in the "On This Day" section of the en.wikipedia front page.

We are certain it is in much better shape than it was last week, but would be very grateful to have anyone here look at how it could be better. Thank you very much for all the work you do here. Grateful to be able to help too. DrZasm (talk) 07:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi DrZasm. Unfortunately there's a big problem with the copyright licenses of pretty much all of the images that are being used in the article. Whomever uploaded them to Commons probably didn't realize that Commons doesn't accept any kind of content that is not 100% free or 100% in the public domain. I'm not sure why the uploader of the files chose to license them under a {{Cc-by-sa-4.0}} license because not the case according to the source provided for the image. The source website states that "This page contains a gallery of images that can be viewed and downloaded without charge by journalists, educators, and others who wish to use the images for non-commercial purposes." and it's that last "for non-commercial purposes" which is the problem. Neither Wikipedia nor Commons accepts any kind of files which are licensed as "non-commercial use only", "educational use only", "Wikipedia use only", etc. as explained in c:Commons:Licensing and Wikipedia:Copyright#Guidelines for images and other media files, which means the licensing of these files is going to need verification to avoid them being deleted per c:Commons:Deletion requests/Stanford prison experiment images. Moreover, there's no way any article with images of questionable copyright status is going to appear on the main Wikipedia page. So, unless you can resolve the copyright licensing issue by Friday, my suggestion to you is to remove the files from the article (even for only the time being) until you're able to do so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Text gets removed

I've submitted a piece a text as an addition to the outsourcing page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourcing). From the permissions email address I received permission for the text and the volunteer has made the necessary modifications to the talk page of the article. However, up to date my original text hasn't appeared on the outsourcing page again. And when I submit it once again, it gets removed again. What should I do to get this text published and not removed?

BTW: I'm a first time Wikipedia contributor, so am still learning. Ebroersma1984 (talk) 08:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Ebroersma1984, that article has had problems with editors trying to put in links to commercial companies. The wording is fine, the problem is the reference. Since outstaffing is a recognized process find a source for this information in an article about the topic rather than a particular company website. StarryGrandma (talk) 08:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Ebroersma1984, the content you added was partly written in the second person, as if addressed to a customer; and contained a spammy link. Neither is acceptable in a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 08:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

It also was a direct copy-paste from the website. Ebroersma, are you employed by the company? —valereee (talk) 10:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a "please don't bite the newbies" policy, but if a new editor appears who is editing only one article (or trying to create an article about a person or business), it is standard practice to ask if the editor has a personal (see WP:COI) or employed (see WP:PAID) connection to the topic in question. Doubly true if there has been a copyright problem. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I found nany website articles that compared outsourcing to outstaffing (the latter appears to be your interest here), but like the ref you provided that led to your content being reverted, most of those are from companies offering both services. Try to find an outstaffing reference that is not a company promotion/link. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Activities in Wikipedia

how can I edit story books for kids in Wikipedia Amossimphiwe1 (talk) 10:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

You can't. This website is an encyclopedia; its purpose is completely different. -- Hoary (talk) 12:00, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Adding a sentence to edit protected article

2021 Taliban offensive I made a request [5] to an edit protected article but how can I get someone to add it to the article. Nobody has bothered to respond even after 10hours 2405:204:5025:8F13:E1E5:5C7E:3E37:2E9C (talk) 12:02, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

You just have to wait; there is a no obligation for anyone to respond to your edit request. ― Qwerfjkltalk 12:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Is there a new policy - revert IP users with impunity?

This is happening increasingly: I make a reasonable - but, I accept, as always, debatable - edit, which is reverted so fast, that I can only think that it was done without any kind of checking. (I mean, the edit of mine above, as with similar recent incidents, does not scream "disruptive edit" on the face of it, I believe - So should deserve at least a cursory look to check.)

As in this case, when I check the reverter's history, there are masses of reversions, often solely, or nearly so, of IP editors. There is generally a mix of good and bad reversions, as in this case. It is also quite commonly an editor who does not use edit summaries.

I accept that if I choose not to register, I have to take the rough with the smooth, and I see lots of implicit and explicit suspicion of IP editors. I know there are reasons, too. That has never worried me (too much!), but there seems to be a noticeable upsurge in this kind of thing. And it's getting disheartening. Could there be any special reason for this taking off in the last few months? For example, are there special anti-vandalism projects that newly registered users are encouraged to undertake? Or something like that? Any ideas? I'd like to know how long to lay low for, giving WP a bit of rest, if I have to ride-out an anti-IP reversion campaign. But editing has been a real life-saver for me throughout the pandemic, restrictions, etc.

Also, can anything more be done to try to encourage habitual non-users of edit-summaries to a more collegial approach? I find the discourtesy of being reverted with no edit summary whatsoever, quite in-your-face hostile. I would never behave that way to others on WP, so find it really objectionable in registered users - some of whom seem to think they're superior creatures to troublesome varmint IPs.

Rant ended. Thanks for listening. 49.177.69.7 (talk) 12:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I opened a report on ANI about this particular editor about an hour ago here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Safari web - mass reverting IP edits without explanation because they seem to be making a significant number of problematic reverts. New editors jumping into anti-vandalism work with little idea of what they're doing is a common problem, you really need a decent grasp of Wikipedia policies before doing it but for some reason it's advertised as being a beginner friendly activity. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 12:11, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: User:Safari web indef blocked as a sockpuppet. David notMD (talk) 13:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

The reported case is an outlier, but the underlying problem is real. It is certainly the case that

1. some users are a bit too quick to hit the revert button (especially with automated tools)
2. some users take less precautions when interacting with IP editors

I have no idea if those problems are on the rise, and I do not think anybody has a solution. It occurs from time to time that someone comes to complain about being reverted without an edit summary, we ping the reverter, and they come here to apologize. In the defense of those people, when you have spent the last 99 clicks reverting promotional material, you are not in a mood to carefully analyze the 100th edit that comes through the list, even if you ought to be as cautious as when you started out. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_World_of_the_Orient_(journal)

Dear colleagues, Could you help me to improve my draft to publish it. Scientific articles about history of our academic journal (The World of the Orient) was published in Ukrainian language, so I can not give: "...the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Please help me in this problem. Spectatorius (talk) 12:07, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Spectatorius: Hello, welcome to the teahouse! There is no requirement that sources should be in English, if this journal has received coverage in Ukrainian language sources then it is completely fine to use those sources as the basis for the article. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 12:22, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Liakat Ali

You may create the page "Liakat Ali (Artist)", You may create the page "Liakat Ali (Artist)", Dear, When I creat my page in this subject- Liakat Ali (Artist), it show the page but after some hour it does not show, and the guide you do as like the subject I am Asking you , What is the wrong? You do guide some time , but difficult to understand what you want? would you say shor and any guide that can help.

Music in color for Liakat Ali (Artist)

Music in color (talk) 12:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

 Music in color (talk) 12:10, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Presumably you haven't read your user talk page? --David Biddulph (talk) 13:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Help

How Can I add References on my posts Emmy Rey (talk) 14:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)