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June 25

Wikipedia "puzzle ball" ?

Hi there. Part of your logo consists of a partially assembled "puzzle ball". Do they really exist and if so, how may I obtain one? thank you very much, Dave in California — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.66.193.74 (talk) 01:58, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

While the help desk is supposed to be specifically for problems related to Wikipedia, I did find an answer to your question. I did a google shopping search for Jigsaw puzzle balls. Hopefully you find this useful. Ryan Vesey (talk) 02:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

If you are asking specifically about the Wikipedia logo, then some were made in 2007, but I have no idea how you could get hold of one. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

While Wikipedia is an encyclopedia based on helping its fellow users and Wikipedians, this is not the right place to ask that. I believe the correct place is the village pump. This is not a warning for blocking, this is just a reminder to not only you, but all people to find the right source of help the next time around. Also remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). Thanks! Sent from a laptop. A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 04:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Guidelines re verifiability of the content of quotations?

Are there guidelines (either for articles in general or for information about living persons) that address the situation:

1. It is verifiably true that So-and-so said "Such-and-such".
2. Such-and-such itself is not verifiably true, or may even be false.

Or in other words, while the verifiability policy clearly applies to quotations, to what extent does it or other guidelines address the content of quotations? I have had a look around but haven't found anything. Thanks. Nurg (talk) 02:07, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

This one is a puzzler. One thing that I can think of is that something must be verified by a reliable third party source. Assuming that "such-and-such" is false, it would be probable that the source is not reliable. It also seems like WP:FRINGE may apply. Still, be careful that you are maintaining a neutral point of view and are not deciding whether a source is reliable enough on your own. Ryan Vesey (talk) 02:14, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

You must be able to verify the first part. The next step is to establish why the fact that So-and-so said "Such-and-such" is genuinely encyclopedic content, especially under the higher standards which apply to biographies of living people. If Jane Scriptgirl blogged that reactionary talk show host Benn Gleck is actually a homosexual communist double agent, that's merely libel and has no place in the article about Benn Gleck, no matter how titillating the tabloids may find it. If Joan Trophywife, the former Mrs. Benn Gleck, made the same accusation in testimony before Congress, that might be notable (if only because such testimony is under oath). We leave the readers to decide for themselves as to the reliability of Joan's testimony and Benn's denials. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:21, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I'm not concerned about the issue of reliability of sources. Here's a made-up scenario. A notable riot occurred and a reliable source quotes Paul Prominent as saying "Colin Controversial incited the riot". There is no doubt that Paul made the statement about Colin. However no reliable source says that Colin actually incited the riot - and he may or may not have done so. If Colin did, no real harm is done by Wikipedia reporting that Paul said what he said. If Colin did not incite the riot (which we are not sure about), it may be considered a slur, no matter that Paul genuinely said it. I thought there might be guidelines about this, because it is easy to use a genuine quotation to slip in statements that would not stand if made outside a quotation. Nurg (talk) 03:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow, your question is difficult. This seems like a talk page discussion that would last for a long time. My personal opinion, and I hope it reflects wikipedia policy, would be to include the information in a way that did not make it appear to be a fact. I.e. "One possible explanation for the riot was offered by Paul Prominent who stated that 'Colin Controversial threw a rock through the window of a police car'" Ryan Vesey (talk) 03:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Ryan. I have refined the wording of my query and asked it at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Guidelines re verifiability of the content of reported statements? Nurg (talk) 06:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Table sorting by surname

I'm trying to make the table on List of winners of the Mathcounts competition sortable by individual winner surname; it currently sorts by given name. The contents of that column of the table should remain the same, but the order in which the table sorts should be different. I have reviewed Help:Sorting, but have been unable to figure out how to make the appropriate alterations. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Neelix (talk) 03:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I can't find any options that would allow the table to remain the way it is. I think you could either list the winners with a Last Name, First Name format, or use the separate tables for surname and given name format. What does WP:MOS say about sorting by Last Name, First Name? Ryan Vesey (talk) 04:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I think you could do this with the {{sort}} template. For example, if the first name becomes {{sort|Edwards M|Michael Edwards, [[Texas]]}} then it will sort as "Edwards". It does mean duplicating all the names, though, which might make it harder to maintain.

An alternative would be to move the state name, Texas in this case, to a new column, leaving only the person's first and last names in the "Individual winner" column, and then use the {{sortname}} template to get the names to sort by surname. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions! The {{sort}} template works great; the benefit of being able to sort by surname outweighs the complication in maintenance. Now on to fix the link rot! Neelix (talk) 14:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

When creating sortable tables, there can be issues with how a column sorts. See Help:Sorting for a complete overview.

• Columns that mix alpha and numerical data will sort alphabetically— this can be resolved by using {{nts}}.
• When using general text with and without wikilinks, use {{sort}}.
• To sort dates, use {{dts}}.
• For sorting names in the format last, first use {{sortname}}. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Uploading an image under Creative Commons non-commercial license

I want to upload an image from a source that has given permission, but under the Creative Commons non-commercial license terms. That is not one of the choices under the upload page.

Is it not allowed?

Thanks, Ellis408 (talk) 04:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Are you trying to upload on Wikimedia Commons? Only free-use images can be uploaded on Wikimedia Commons. If it is a non-free/fair use image, you must upload on Wikipedia. Ryan Vesey (talk) 04:03, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

That helps - thanks Ellis408 (talk) 04:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Even on Wikipedia a Creative Commons non-commercial license is not one of the choices on the upload page. Wikipedia does not accept any non-free license. When you upload a non-free file, you select a non-free category rather than a license. And non-free files can be uploaded and used only under the highly restrictive non-free content policy. —teb728 t c 04:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikilinks to disambiguation pages

I have noticed some inappropriate links to disambiguation pages in place of a specific article. I.e. Clerk of the House links to a disambiguation page but in an article it should usually be more specific and link to a specific house. Is there a way for me to use a bot, or do a search to find Wikilinks that link to disambiguation pages so I can correct them? Ryan Vesey (talk) 04:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I know that there is a tool you can use, although I'm not quite sure where it is or what it's called. Sumsum2010·T·C 04:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Found it! It's called Dab solver and is located here:http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Dab_solver Sumsum2010·T·C 04:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks! Ryan Vesey (talk) 19:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Anonymus IP constantly undoing my edits

User 85.27.35.54 is constantly reverting my edits on article about Gregorij Rožman and he doesn't offer any explanation. Can someone block him? Tadej5553 (talk) 09:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you should be deleting an established fact like with this edit. So anon appears to be correct in reverting although should have given reasons. Nasnema  Chat  10:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

It's a bit more complicated here then it seem at firs sight... During the war in Yugolsavia (1941-1945) there were occupation authorities (first Italians, then Germans) in province of Ljubljana and they were censoring and even heavily modifying every letter, speech, announcement etc. intended for public release. And that pastoral letter counts as one of them. Tamara Griesse Pečar, who has done the most detailed study to date about mid-war activities of Gregorij Rožman, explains and confirms this with many examples (one of them is the his greeting to Grazzioli, which was, as she says, altered by the Italians so much that it wans't recognizable anymore). And this pattern appeared in all the newspapers, radio broadcasts etc.: they were all writing pro-nazi propaganda, and that was in sharp contrast to their beliefs and their pre-war writings. This is why you can't use Rožman's mid-war letters intended for public release for judging his beliefs (anon could use his private letters, but he doesn't ;) ). And this is why IP won't debate. He knows that he is merely repeating the smear campaign and propaganda used by the communist... Tadej5553 (talk) 10:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Just wondering, how do you know why IP won't debate? Have they told you why? Or is it your opinion that is why they won't debate? Same question as far as the IP knows he is merely repeating the smear campaign, how do you know they know this? GB fan (talk) 10:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

It takes two for a debate. Neither of you has touched Talk:Gregorij Rožman. Neither of you has touched the other's user talk page. You're both just edit warring on the article. —teb728 t c 10:58, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I left WP:3RR warnings on both your talk pages. —teb728 t c 11:07, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Fine, I'll start a debate, no need for the warning BTW... Oh, and for the communist smear camping: I live in Slovenia, i know what it's like. It's pretty much like this articel: they say he held masses for Italians (no explanation why), met with occupation authorities (agani, no explanation), they quote altered version of his letters to authorities and accuse him of beliefs that he never had (like anti-semitism, for example...) Tadej5553 (talk) 11:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Tadej5553, please do not start an edit war. Those are feared by Wikipedians more than other users think they are. I totally understand the situation, however, starting an edit war with the IP address will get you blocked. Just keep your cool with the person, and calmly explain to him/her to stop reverting your edits. If you find there is no possible way to do so, you are always free and invited to take a Wikibreak. Anyway, one of the worst things to do is to start an edit war. It is unconstructive and potentially destructive to Wikipedia and is equivalent to public disturbance or nuisance to fellow Wikipedians. Also, I will give the IP address a warning. Thank you very much for reporting this situation to us. A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 04:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, i'm not going to start an edit war, I see no sense in it. The situation was resolved rather quickly: the anonymus bias-troll gave up, he (in my opinion) showed no knowledge on the subject and constantly relied on a book he hasn't seen in his life. Thanks for your support anyway Tadej5553 (talk) 15:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

You're absolutely welcome. In any case, my above comment is also a reminder to other users that they must not start edit wars, or they will consequently get blocked or banned. Thank you for reporting this. A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 21:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

 Also: I have read the articles on your “anonymus bias-troll” link, and I will request a block the page from editing. Thanks! A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 22:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Back in Black's cover

Could you transfer File:BackinBlackSingle.jpg on Commons? It should be in the public domain.--80.183.66.87 (talk) 13:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The file cannot be uploaded to Commons because it is currently used here under a claim of fair use. I don't see how it can be public domain, but you could perhaps ask the experts at Media copyright questions. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I think the argument would be that it is too simple a design to qualify for copyright protection and that it should be {{PD-text}}. – ukexpat (talk) 12:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Request

Resolved

User: Foodie 377 has been doing irrational editing/reverting in Template:Caste Groups of India (Kamma). Even after providing citations that were required, the revert game is going on. I tried to convince the person on talk page but in vain. He was warned and blocked for 24 hours. He is now back to his game. Please block the person indefinitely.Kumarrao (talk) 14:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Please take this to WP:ANI. Dismas|^(talk) 14:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

This appears to have been resolved on Toddst1's talk page, where you posted this request previously. —Tommyjb (talk) 15:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

8 resources not enough to save Pete Davis from Deletion?

I have done everything I can and am starting to feel like someone is messing with me. I have resourced and re-resourced my article and someone keeps coming by (this time after weeks of inactivity) to say that my post on the man I work for, and have been charged with creating, is invalid in some way. I just need to know what EXACTLY I need to do to make [Pete Davis]'s page safe from deletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by DustyDionne (talk • contribs)

Is this the article that you are referring to: Peter Davis (theater historian)? - If not, please include a link to the article that you are talking about. Thanks, Darigan (talk) 15:21, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

My bad on above comment, it seems that the article Pete Davis has already been deleted. Wikipedians have placed some useful advice on your talk page. I would suggest reading some of the linked information in the top-most post on your talk page, and, if you believe that Pete Davis meets notability guidelines etc., then try creating an article as a userspace draft and request feedback on the draft version.

Also, given that you have said that the article subject is your boss, you may want to read up on Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Darigan (talk) 15:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for reporting this to us. We will investigate on this situation. Also, remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) Thanks! A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 05:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Byron White

Byron White (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

User:MrBudDude (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I don't know how to fix this. The user effectively renamed the Byron White article to Whizzer White (Whizzer was a nickname). It should be put back the way it was. I assume the redirect has to be deleted (speedy delete?). Not sure.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I have moved it back per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). Moving over redirects with only one line in its history doesn't require deletion of previous pages. See WP:MOR.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 16:57, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I read the policy, but it's not clear to me what the procedure is for doing it.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Fuji Bank old account enquiry

Dear How can I get my money from Fuji bank kokura kita-kushu-shi, Japan where I last diposited some money when I was working in Kokura in 1994 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.245.39.238 (talk) 17:32, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 3.6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. doomgaze (talk) 18:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Poorly referenced section of article - what is the correct template

Resolved

 – Template identified. Darigan (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi, in this particular case, I'm looking at West_Ham_United_F.C.#Rivalries, which has some references, but by no means enough references to support all of the assertions made. I am confident that most of the assertions are accurate (to a greater or lesser extent) and as such do not want to delete swathes of the section due to lack of references, but I would like to place a notice saying that the particular section is poorly referenced, and needs more sources - Does anybody know what template I can put at the top of that section? Any help on this issue will add to my repertoire of templates which I can re-use elsewhere when appropriate. Cheers, Darigan (talk) 18:14, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

/edit/ I am aware of the citation needed template for individual assertions, for clarity, my query is about requesting extra references for an entire section rather than an individual assertion. All responses appreciated. Darigan (talk) 18:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Is this good? {{Refimprove}} - frankie (talk) 18:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Refimprove works but is specific to an entire article. To target just a section there's {{Unreferenced section}} and {{Refimprove section}}. See also Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Frankie & Fuhghettaboutit - I think in this instance, the advice offered by Fuhghettaboutit about the {{Refimprove section}} was the most suitable - I have applied it to the section of the article that I mentioned. Cheers, Darigan (talk) 18:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia hangs with my Chrome

When I surf through articles, at one point of time, it loads a page seemingly endless, and the browser doesn't respond anymore. This happens very often, but only with Chrome? Is this a known issue? --Malaikaran (talk) 18:32, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I haven't heard about it. I occasionally use Chrome and have no problems. Try to clear the entire cache in Chrome. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

As expected below, it did't solve the problem.--Malaikaran (talk) 18:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give it a try.--Malaikaran (talk) 18:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: I'm using Chrome as I type, and am not experiencing the issue you describe. Please let me/us know if clearing your cache solves the problem or not. Cheers, Darigan (talk) 18:58, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Not sure how well that will do. Usually when it happens with mine, I can't do anything until google chrome offers to kill the pages, or I restart. I hate this, because Chrome is the only web browser I like. Ryan Vesey (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I also experience the same issue with chrome & Wikipedia, it tends to be when I have a largish number of Wikipedia tabs open. Quasihuman | Talk 19:03, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Then I'm not the only one. I expect, that clearing the cache won't solve the problem. Could someone meanwhile forward the issue to a technician?--Malaikaran (talk) 19:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The worst is when I am in the middle of a long edit. I lose it some of the time, but occasionally if I open up my recent tabs it will still be there with all of the content of my edit. Ryan Vesey (talk) 20:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

This issue happens for me on a semi-regular basis for me as well, in Chrome. It makes it impossible to navigate on any Wikipedia tabs, even after the never-loading tab is shut. However, if I close all of my Wikipedia tabs, any other tabs that I may have open work just fine. Buddy432 (talk) 04:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Another issue involving Chrome seems to be the neverending scrollbar. It lets me scroll down to infinity with zero content. This depends on the scrollbar's "mood".--Malaikaran (talk) 19:19, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I thought at one point it may be related to the custom javascript I have attached to my Wikipedia Skin, so I changed my skin to one without any custom javascripts and it still occurs. Bizzare. I am back to using firefox when using wiki. Tiggerjay (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I noticed the scrollbar issue is a general chrome problem. Had it at google.com again.--Malaikaran (talk) 21:53, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

changing username

I wish to change my username. I am only editing a pre-existing page, not adding new ones.

How do I go about changing the username of my account?

Edit 21:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RachelPaine (talk • contribs)

It isn't usual to bother when you have less than a 100 edits or so. With only six, it would be easier to simply abandon this account and create a new one.--SPhilbrickT 21:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello. Please see Wikipedia:Username policy#Changing your username. —Tommyjb (talk) 21:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Toggling images

I'm attempting to toggle an image through various states using buttons on the side? Is there any way to do this?

For example: Lv1 Lv2 Lv3 Lv4 I want one image to show at first (Lv1), and then when I click the button for Lv2, it overlays over Lv1 (Hide Lv1, show Lv2), and etc for each button, hiding the others, showing itself. Pyrofyr (talk) 21:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not clear as to what you're referring to. Are you looking for this within a Wikipedia article, or website design in general? Thanks Tiggerjay (talk) 02:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Within a wikipedia article 99.120.19.221 (talk) 02:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't recall seeing an effect like that in a Wikipedia article, but there is a small chance I may have seen something like that and forgotten about it. What article do you have in mind, and what are the images you want to display? Another option is to animate an image in Wikipedia so it scrolls automatically through a series of separate images. See Commons:Category:Animations. Also note that you apparently tried to display a stack of text like this:

Lv1
Lv2
Lv3
Lv4

but your attempt did not work because you did not use one of the formatting methods in Help:Wiki markup#Limiting formatting/escaping wiki markup, or a table. You can also make fancy button-like things with the {{Key press}} template:

Lv1
Lv2
Lv3
Lv4

but clicking them does not do anything. Doing that would be harder. Finally, note that the Wikipedia:Manual of Style kind of throws a wet blanket on our flights of page design fancy, at least when we edit articles. Most of the crazy design examples are in user pages. See Wikipedia:User page design center. --Teratornis (talk) 07:20, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

{{Scroll gallery}} does not work at the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

June 26

Original Wikipedia

What happened to the original articles that were in existence before November 29, 2001? I was talking with some Wikipedians today at the NYC Wiknic about the old days, and I realized I couldn't remember my first contributions. I couldn't even say whether Wikipedia was online before the 9/11 incident.

Is there an Original Wikipedia somewhere, and is there a way to look at old contribs? --Uncle Ed (talk) 04:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

There is no way of having an "Original Wikipedia" because it is impossible to decide what "original" is. It could technically be the first version of every new article. It is possible to look at old versions of a page by pressing the view history button next to the edit tab. Here is a link to the first valid New York City page. Ryan Vesey (talk) 04:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

In addition, here is a link to your very first edit ever. Ryan Vesey (talk) 04:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Ed. Do you mean the late 2000 Nupedia archives when the site was in its uber stages? Calmer Waters 04:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

No, I'm referring to a dim memory of the changeover from the original Wikipedia software to a "new database schema" with the prospect that the edit history of some articles would be lost after the changeover. I'm getting old, so I wonder if I remember this right. --Uncle Ed (talk) 04:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Found this [1] :) Not pre-November 2001, but pretty close. How that for a flashback? Calmer Waters 05:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

THANKS! And I found my first edit (I knew it wasn't to Creationism).

• I like the motto, "Be in charge and be humble." It reminds me of the Unification Thought ideal of leadership: love your partner, care for your partner, wield authority. The trick is to be sure that the authority one wield's is actually for the benefit of one's partner. It's so easy to fool (a) oneself, (b) one's partner, or (c) onlookers by falsely claiming that one governs for the sake of the governed.

• Perhaps if all are equally powerful, false leaders (i.e., dictators) won't be tolerated. This would be a Good Thing.

Sigh, I forgot the "be humble" part, but I'm on the comeback trail now, boys and girls! --Uncle Ed (talk) 05:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Check out this one from July 2001 [2]. Only 7,000 articles and that weird banner at the top. Calmer Waters 05:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

You probably already know about the History of Wikipedia article. If not, then maybe the article or its talk page could provide something useful. --Teratornis (talk) 05:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

History of Wikipedia#Hardware and software mentions the various database rewrites. The MediaWiki software that runs Wikipedia now is not as old as Wikipedia itself, so things could have gotten lost in the early database migrations. --Teratornis (talk) 05:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Help with new Performing arts of Goa navbox

I tried to create a new navbox Template:Performing_arts_of_Goa, but it isn'e working. Please can someone correct the problem and tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks The Discoverer (talk) 05:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay.. I fixed it.. stupid square bracket mistake in wikilinks The Discoverer (talk) 05:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Guess you don't need my help. Thanks anyway, A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 04:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Watchlist security flaw?

If one IP address makes two or more edits to the same article over a short time, then my watchlist shows only the last of these edits, and the "diff" link also shows only the last edit. Thus a vandal or otherwise malicious user could potentially "cover up" their "bad" edits by immediately adding a separate "good" edit to the same article (for example correcting punctuation), and people with that article on their watchlist will see only the "good" edit. They will of course see the "bad" edit(s) as well if they also check the article's history, but how many people check history if they think the watchlist has told them everything? Silas S. Brown (talk) 08:50, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I see your point, but checking the diff also shows the userid/IP of the previous editor as well, so when you check the diff you can see that (in your example) the same IP address would have also made a previous edit. Personally speaking, under such circumstances (which can happen with registered users as well as IP addresses) I always check history, wp:agf notwithstanding. a_man_alone (talk) 08:58, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

You can go into your preferences --> watchlist --> advanced options and enable Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent. This will show all edits made to a watched page regardless of the period of time between edits or whether they were made consecutively by one user. Calmer Waters 09:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Alternatively, you could enable something like popups. Hover over the 'hist' link in your watchlist and you can see if there are other edits (whether by IP or registered editor) since the last 'good' version. Astronaut (talk) 11:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. The preference works great. I hope more people are aware of this. Silas S. Brown (talk) 17:01, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

My P.hd reserch about donagracia mendes

Hello! I alredy published my P.hd reserch about donagracia mendes- nassi in Bar-Illan university Israel! Please help me to let readers to know about that fact of information!

Thanks Dr. Tzvi Schaick tiberias, Israel [email redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.80.86 (talk) 10:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the place to publicise your PhD research, nor is Wikipedia the place to host your original research, so we cannot "let readers to know about that fact of information" (sic). However, you should probably tell your supervisors at the university that you have published. That said, I think some websites could benefit from your expertise in the subject. This includes Wikipedia's Gracia Mendes Nasi article, if you can supply references that meet our requirements for reliable sources and no original research (ie. rather than referencing your own paper, use the original sources). Astronaut (talk) 11:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Undo page move

Signalling (telecommunications) was recently moved to Signaling_(telecommunications) by User:Johnuniq. This page move had previously been suggested on the talk page and I opposed per WP:ENGVAR. The actual move was performed without any discussion. How should I undo the move? Thanks! GyroMagician (talk) 12:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The page was originally at the single el spelling and was at that spelling for about four years until first moved on January 21, 2006 to the double el, here so the ENGVAR issue is not clear. You can make a formal request for a community discussion of a move by following the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves (which is always better than getting into a move war).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The article started off in 2002 as Signaling (telecommunication) (one l). Then 4 years later in 2006 it was moved to Signalling (telecommunication) (2 lls) with an edit summary of "more neutral title; signalling is an acceptable spelling in both BrE and AmE." It then sat at that name for 4 years when it was moved back to the 1 l version to make the name consistent with the spelling in the article. Then it sat that way until yesterday when it was moved to 2 lls again with an edit summary of "over redirect: Total spelling check (cluster 3). Please look into double redirects. ~~~~" Today User:Johnuniq moved it back to the spelling that it has had most of the time it has been an article since 2002. So per WP:ENGVAR it should be at the name that the first major editor used. I think having it at the name with 1 l for the first 4 years qualifies as that being the name it should stay at. GB fan (talk) 12:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks both for clarifying. I must admit I hadn't looked back that far into the history - turns out it is...complicated. The issue came to my attention at the beginning of this year, and I hoped at least for a discussion before a move. I won't get into an edit war, and while I could go through the formal RfC, life's too short, I (and everyone else) could spend the time more productively. GyroMagician (talk) 23:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Looking for tool to fill out citation templates

In order to avoid having to manually fill out citation templates completely by hand, I've been using a tool at diberri.dyndns.org for the past year or two. Unfortunately, the web server appears to be down.[3] It was down the last time I tried using it (a couple weeks ago) so it might be gone permenently. Although it was far from perfect, it would attempt to extract information from a URL and attempt to auto-fill the citation for me. Can anyone recommend another tool for me to use? I am aware of http://toolserver.org/~magnus/makeref.php but this one doesn't seem too try to auto-fill in any of the fields other than access date. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Does this do what you want? TNXMan 15:19, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

No, unfortunately not. I just ran it against the article I'm working on and it didn't really do much.[4] I'm looking for a tool where I can give it a URL and it can create a citation template filling in as many fields (title, publisher, access date, etc.) as possible. For example, something like this. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 16:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

For google books you can use just the url with this tool. Not sure about others but check out Wikipedia:Citation tools.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The Departed 2006 film

The Departed (2006 film)I didn't understand some of the incidents in The Departed Film, so can someone please answer my Questions about The Departed Film?

1. When Sullivan told Costello that Queenan & the Undercover Cop are inside a building, Costello sent his henchmen to the same building.

2. When Costello sent his henchmen to the same building, did Costello tell his henchmen to kill Queenan?

3. When Costello sent his henchmen to the same building, did Costello tell his henchmen to kill the Undercover Cop?

4. When Sullivan told Costello that Queenan & the Undercover Cop are inside a building, was Sullivan hoping for Queenan to get killed?

5. When Sullivan told Costello that Queenan & the Undercover Cop are inside a building, was Sullivan hoping for the Undercover Cop to get killed?

6. When Sullivan killed Costello, did Sullivan decide to be a Good Cop? (76.195.163.217 (talk) 16:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)).

Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.Template:Z38--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

As I have told many other people on Wikipedia today, this is definitely not the place to ask such questions. You must search them yourself or, better yet, watch the movie in its entirety to answer your questions. As this may seem as absolutely no help to you, as said above by Fuhghettaboutit/ForgetAboutIt, you may want to try the Humanites desk, or maybe the village pump, or even better, Yahoo! Answers, where this discussion can be off of Wikipedia, because such questions clog the help desks for other Wikipedian users. Please do not take this as an insult, or be discouraged to come back to Wikipedia. Virtually everyone who owns or is in possession of a computer, laptop, or other electronic item that has access to internet (except vandals and those banned from Wikipedia) are free to research, edit, and share Wikipedia among other fellow Wikipedian users, administrators, and bureaucrats. And if you decide to come back, you can create an account, which conceals your IP address, all edits go under your contributions, invitations to Wikievents and Wiknics, and more benefits, etc. Thank you for being part of the Wikipedia community and participating in a help desk discussion. Again, you are free to come back at any time, or better yet, create an account. Thanks again, sorry for any typos! A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 05:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Question about toolserver.org's webchecklinks

I ran toolserver.org's webchecklinks against September 11 attacks and it found several URLs that are now dead links.[5] For some of them, it says that "WebCite archive avalible". Does anyone know what "WebCite archive avalible" means? Where can I find this archive? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 16:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, it's http://webcitation.org/ In the article look in the references for "Archived from the original on..." (probably easiest to just use ctrl+f and search for "archive") and that will be a link to the WebCite archive.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The dead links I'm looking for don't have "Archived from the original on...". See [this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#cite_note-11]. References 12-15 are cites to reports issued by the National Transportation Safety Board which apparently are no longer available on their web site. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, when you paste the urls (I checked 12 & 13) into WebCite's search it says that it was never archived. So I'm not sure what's going on. It may be that the webchecklinks is wrong. Knowing what queries it makes to determine its positive result for archiving would help.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

:I've found alternative links. 12 is here ... I see you've already found alternate links.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Case Sensitive search on Wikipedia?

Resolved

I'm working to make sure that mentions of fraternities and sororites fulfill WP:NCCORP by deleting the use of INC and incorporated from the mention in other articles. I'm also running into a lot of situations where MOS:CAPS applies because the word fraternity or sorority is capitalized after the name of the fraternity or sorority. I'd like to also look for those separately. Is there any way that I can look for capitalized instances of Fraternity on Wikipedia or "Alpha Phi Omega Fraternity" without "Alpha Phi Omega fraternity"?Naraht (talk) 16:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think this is possible with the MediaWiki software. However, although Google searches are also case insensitive, there is apparently a tool to take Google results and filter it for case (which I've never used). See here. So if this filter works, you can then restrict the results to Wikipedia using a limiter like site:en.wikipedia.org--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I figured out how to use it. This search appears to provide exactly what you're after. Give it some time as it is much slower than Google itself. Also, it appears that it will only provide the results in snippets of the first forty-nine Google hits it checks, i.e., it filters the first 49 results, gives you an output which may be just a few hits, and then you have to hit "next" to have it filter the next 49 Google hits.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

It looks like the number of entries output on the page is fixed rather than working from a fixed number of entries in Google. It feels a little kludgy to use, but certainly does what I want. Thank you very much!!Naraht (talk) 16:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Glad it's working!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Orphan status

Can an editor please review and remove the tags to "CSPWC's Royal Collection Project"? There are three articles that link back to this page: 1) The Arts and Letters Club 2) Canadian Society of Painters in Water Colour 3) Royal Librarian. Help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Artisforme (talk) 17:51, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

not really much, he? on the other hand: focussing on other probelms the articles as. mabdul 17:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

eggplants

Can you safely freeze an eggolant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.248.34.45 (talk) 18:52, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried the Miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.Template:Z38 TNXMan 18:54, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

First off, this question doesn't belong here. Secondly, its completely random. But you can go here for answers. Third, you can attempt the experiment yourself, as a science project or other experiment. Fourth, such questions do not belong here. They belong in the reference or humanitarian desk. Thanks A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 23:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

June 27

Getting new unreviewed articles reviewed

My first new article, Isaac Wunder order, was put up in mainspace in 17 June. This being my first, I don't know how long it normally takes for a new article to get the eye of a reviewer who can remove the {{Userspace draft}} template, presuming the article is OK. I put a request for feedback. I know it can take a while, but I'm not sure how long such a while should be before I ask again, or if there are other steps I should take. Rhsimard (talk) 00:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

My usual advice is to be patient, there is quite a backlog of new articles for review. – ukexpat (talk) 13:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I just took a quick look at it and made a few minor changes. The list of "See also" links should probably also be pruned to remove links that already appear in the text of the article. It is not clear to me how the external link is relevant. – ukexpat (talk) 13:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Sucrose and Diabetes

I have had Diabetes for many years. I have been using Glyburide l.5mg tab. A fewmonths ago my sugar count began to rise. My doctor changed my Glyburide to 2.5 in early May. Since then my sugar counts has risen on most days to 160 or higher. I also take other prescriptions such as simvitation Lisinpurinal Allopurinal and als Tums.When I checked the Tums for ingredients it had sugar2g. It also had sucrose but did not list it's dosage.I take 2 Tums each morning. Could my taking Tums everyday cause my sugar count to rise. Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.174.91.203 (talk) 01:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not give medical advice. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

New Page Deletion - But Information Correct!

I am not 100% sure why I have received an automated e - mail (RE: Wikipedia page User talk:Whitbycolin has been changed by SunCreator). I have created a page with information about Mary K Roberts, a survivor of the Titanic and also the SS Rohilla. The information is truthful as I have family descendants of Mrs. Roberts who gratefully supplied me with the information.

I am clearly new to editing documents in a great form and admit that the help pages do not often help. I would like to add a reference link to my Rohilla website but am lost as to how best to do this. Not to be outdone I do hope to learn how best to work within the guidlines.

Regards

Colin Brittain

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Dear Whitbycolin,

The Wikipedia page "User talk:Whitbycolin" has been changed on 24 June 2011 by SunCreator, with the edit summary: Notification: proposed deletion of Mary K. Roberts. (TW)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Whitbycolin&diff=0&oldid=406534316 for all changes since your last visit. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Whitbycolin for the current revision.

To contact the editor, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SunCreator

Note that additional changes to the page "User talk:Whitbycolin" will not result in any further notifications, until you have logged in and visited the page.

            Your friendly Wikipedia notification system

-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitbycolin (talk • contribs) 01:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

One of the big issues is that the page is completely unsourced. Remember, wikipedia is based on verifiability, not truth. Add references to the article, then you should be able to remove the PROD tag as it is no longer completely valid. The editor who tagged it also mentioned some notability questions. I do think that the notability issue is controversial enough that it should be addressed at WP:AFD, not as a PROD. For now, your biggest thing to worry about is adding references. Ryan Vesey (talk) 01:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Problems with two links posted on the net by hackers using wikipedia to install spyware and viruses

Over the last 2 weeks I clicked on two links I thought were directing me to Wikipedia, instead they destroyed 2 of my laptops. I hope there is something you can do about it to block them. Here they are. Thanks in advance for looking into it. AAC.

List of cities in Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Kuala Lumpur is by far the largest city as well as the largest metropolitan area in Malaysia. Other major cities with a population of more than 500,000 include Ipoh ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_MalaysiaList of cities and towns in Malaysia by population - Wikipedia ...

The following is a list of urban areas in Malaysia by population. Only the fifty ... "Malaysia: largest cities and towns and statistics of their population". World Gazetteer. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_in_Malaysia_by_population — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.191.85 (talk) 01:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with either of those links. Most likely there's some other software on your computers that has redirected you to sites unaffiliated with Wikipedia. You could try checking out Malware or ask for help at the Computing reference desk. Remember to give them plenty of detail. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 04:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

On linking to those emails?

What is our stance on linking to those recently Leaked Emails? Obviously not for any article but in project talks spaces? The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 02:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Your question is vague. Various emails leak all the time. Which ones do you refer to, and what projects do you have in mind? If something is not suitable as a reliable source for Wikipedia, how does linking to it from a talk page advance the encyclopedia project? Everything we do here must somehow contribute to building the encyclopedia, even if only indirectly. Also check the Wikipedia:Spam blacklist to see if you are able to link to them - links to some sites are forbidden on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 05:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki Watchlist

I primarily edit wikipedia; however, I have made a few contributions to other areas in the Wikimedia project. Is it possible to add my talk page on those projects and other pages I am interested in to my watchlist? Ryan Vesey (talk) 02:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, just redirect the page to wikipedia:User talk:Ryan Vesey or en:User talk:Ryan Vesey as a soft redirect. Not sure if possible to do a hard redirect. Any one else aware of a way? Kindly Calmer Waters 03:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I searched and found the page Wikipedia:Integrated, interwiki, global watchlists. I know nothing about this; maybe the page or its talk page will give you something useful. --Teratornis (talk) 05:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Within that link there was another link to a script which allowed me to import my other watchlists, thank you. Ryan Vesey (talk) 08:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

You could alway add the relenvant interwiki to you talk page, which should produce a similar set of interwikis to those on my user page. So for you Dutch wiki talk page you'd add [[nl:Overleg gebruiker: Ryan Vesey]], for your French Wiki talk page you'd add [[fr:Discussion utilisateur:Ryan Vesey]] etc, etc. Mjroots (talk) 18:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

If its actual articles you want to keep an eye on, the one way is to create a subpage of your user page, link to the articles there and then post the url of the relevant related changes special page on the relevant wiki. Recent changes to articles on my Dutch account article sub-page. Mjroots (talk) 18:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Username

Signature button in edit toolbar

How do I add username after comment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xzuiko (talk • contribs) 04:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Add this after comments: --~~~~ GroovySandwich 04:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Generally you sign posts on talk pages using ~~~~, as described at Wikipedia:Signatures. That produces your signature and a timestamp. If, for some reason, you want to omit the time stamp, you can sign using ~~~. Remember to only sign in talk pages, not articles. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 04:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thankyou :) Xzuiko (talk) 04:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

You can also click the signature button in the edit toolbar. See image to the right. Also see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. --Teratornis (talk) 05:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

This is something every Wikipedian needs to know: to sign all comments with four tildes (~~~~), AND to encourage others to do so. You just type <nowiki>~~~~<nowiki> . Also, remember to include an edit summary, as Ryan Vesey says. Thanks! A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 04:57, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Romagnola

Hello My Name is Mary Flanigan. I am Secretary/Treasurer to the Romagnola & RomAngus Cattle Association. I did not find the breed Romagnola on your list of beef cattle. The Romagnola is probably the oldest beef cattle in the world. Can you please add to your list. Also need to ad RomAngus Cattle. They are a breed of Angus and Romagnola. Been around for the past 15 years. See our webb site at www.romagnola.org and email me at (Redacted) Thank you Mary Flanigan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.221.114.91 (talk) 04:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I've removed your email address: it's not a good idea to post your email address online, as it may be harvested by spambots. We only reply on this page, anyway.

Romagnola is already listed in List of cattle breeds, both under the Used for multiple purposes and the Used for beef sections. Under which section should RomAngus be listed?

Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 04:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see you were most likely referring to the section Beef cattle breeds in the article on Beef cattle. I've added Romagnola per your request. I think RomAngus needs its own article before it is added to Beef cattle breeds. You could list it at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 05:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

estate of george harrison (ex beatle)

A few fays ago I put a question about how to contact the estate of GH and want a reply from someone please. I want to publish a song about him and it includes a quote from one of his songs. Please advise who administers his estate so I may ask them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.136.173 (talk) 04:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. --Teratornis (talk) 05:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

PLease reply to xxxx re any infor re this question (se e above) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.136.173 (talk) 05:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

See the reply to your question at WP:RDE#estate of george harrison. —teb728 t c 05:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

User talk creation

I just posted a PROD message to an editor's talk page. It was the first edit and therefore created the page. Everything with that went fine but I was surprised to see that a welcome message was appended to my PROD. Does this happen every time a user talk page is created with something other than a welcome message? I've created many user talk pages and this is the first time I've seen this. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 05:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• Not every time, as it's happened often automatically to me as well. SwisterTwister talk 05:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle's documentation states, "Twinkle does not give the creator a welcome message, even if their talk page does not exist." I guess it wouldn't say that unless there is some other automated prod notification system that does do so. A bit rough, really, since you've implicitly agreed to respond to any questions the user asks you at your talk page. Maybe just use Twinkle if you don't want this to happen again? Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 05:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The template you used adds a welcome message to blank pages unless "nowelcome=yes" is set. See {{proposed deletion notify#New users}} for more info. —Tommyjb (talk) 05:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Christopher Booker

Ref 28 has something wrong with it. Kittybrewster ☎ 06:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Fixed, what was wrong is that the "cite news" was repeated twice. SwisterTwister talk 06:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Userspace page in Google search

I have recently moved a page into the mainspace after working on it in my userspace. The new page shows up nicely in a google search but so does my original userspace page. Is it possible to stop the userspace page showing up? If so could you advise me how please? Also, the subject of the article (a person) has a relatively common name and is listed in the 'other people' section in wikipedia when I search for him. I think he should be listed in the 'music' section of people with the same name and would like to know how I can make that change please? Thanks.--Maggiemorgan1969 (talk) 11:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I have changed the redirect at User:Maggiemorgan1969/David King to a move message. You can request deletion of the page with {{db-u1}} if you want. In either case it will soon disappear from Google search results when they update their index. If you don't want a userspace page to be indexed by search engines even when it has real content then place {{NOINDEX}} on it. David King is a manually edited page. You can click the "Edit" tab and edit it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

embedding a file in an article

Hello. I'm currently experimenting with the possibility of providing enhanced locational information for readers interested in contemporary naval vessel home port deployments. I've asked in the naval section of the military history wikiproject but seemingly this technical issue is not in their ken. Basically, I'd like to know if it's possible to use the embedded file option in the edit browser bar, or otherwise by some (hopefully user friendly technical means), to 'embed' or otherwise link to a '.kml' (keyhole satellite metadata file) usable in Google Earth to store a list of GE global place-marks related to the vessels being discussed in the article, which might typically be about a class of vessels rather than just a single vessel.

I appreciate it's possible to use the co-ordinates framework protocol code to make a single place-mark link to the 'Geo Hack' page which then has a further link to GEarth in its links-to table . However, that link I've found is subject to some serious failings (a) if you use the 'open' link some species of a 'preferential' software 'glich' takes over, which instead of taking you to the co-ordinates you've been given, goes instead to the location of the nearest 'existing' Google Maps place mark, which is typically miles away, even though you've just opened GEarth instead, but which in GMaps would then ask you 'did you mean this place instead ?' And (b) if instead you select the 'with meta data' option, a host of embedded additional materials (not however including the view date timeline preference and altitude of viewpoint data which the editor would like the reader to appreciate). Accordingly, it seems to me that the only user friendly option would be to allow the reader to download a keyhole metadata file (from within the article) created bespoke by the editor with just the information on it relevant to the vessels and places dealt with in the article.

I can't believe but that this kind of issue of the practical linking of wikipedia article information, which has an especial relevance to a physical place or places location(s) on Earth, to an ability to visualise those locations in Google Earth (or possibly some other equally well used application - is there one?)hasn't arisen in many many guises before. I'm hoping therefore that you have a worked out solution ? I promise that I've look for it for hours in editing guideline materials and elsewhere, without success. sorry for rambling. thank you.

--John Eight Thirty-two (talk) 12:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The editors with the technical ability to respond tend to hang out at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). It sounds intriguing, I hope you will ask the question there.--SPhilbrickT 13:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm dubious that this kind of ephemeral information (the current position of a movable object) is encyclopaedic. But by all means ask at VPT. --ColinFine (talk) 20:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes won't form a new line

Sometimes when editing text, and I start a new line, it doesn't work. Wikipedia does not do the line break, the text is run on into the previous paragraph. My workaround has always been to add an additional blank line. Any guess as to what is going on / what I am doing wrong? Thanks. North8000 (talk) 12:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Your workaround is correct; see Help:Wiki markup#Line breaks. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 13:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Just type two “enters”. A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 04:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Linking Spanish and English versions of Wikipedia pages

Hi there, I am a Spanish and English speaker, and I recently created a Wikipedia Page in Spanish. How do I link it to the English version as well? When I am on the Spanish version, "Other Languages: English", pops up on the left hand tool bar, but when I am on the English version, "Other Languages" (which should now say 'Spanish'), does not come up.

Does anyone know how to update this? Thanks in advance! http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mautner_Project — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrw22 (talk • contribs) 13:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Just as you were posting your question here, a bot came along and made this edit for you. See Help:Interlanguage links. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Feedback needs help

Some of the regulars who help out at Feedback either aren't active or aren't as active as they have been (that includes me). My unscientific review of the backlog suggests that over half haven't received any response. Anyone willing to help?--SPhilbrickT 13:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I've provided some input there of late.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 13:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Syrian desert

Help! There is an error at the bottom of the Syrian desert page! Solarmax19082 (talk) 14:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

 Fixed in this edit. – ukexpat (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Trying to find Tequila Avion

Hi Help Desk,

I had started a page for Tequila Avion but I cannot remember my user name or anything else to do with it. Do you think you could help me in some way. I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks so much

Caroline McCormick Tequila Avion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.39.117.98 (talk) 15:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

User:Caroline mccormick. See also Wikipedia:Your first article. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

If you still have access to the account where you created it, you can ask for a new password to be sent to it at the login screen.Naraht (talk) 15:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I have moved it to a subpage at User:Caroline mccormick/Tequila Avión. – ukexpat (talk) 19:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Adding links to reviews

I was adding links to a podcast that reviews Star Trek episodes. I happen to be on that podcast.

Thus, I added links to the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_Who http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Measure_of_a_Man_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Method_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)

I received the error notice about possibly spamming on TOS Balance of Terror, which ended up not being edited. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balance_of_Terror

I thought it would be appropriate to add reviews to the list of External Links. We had done 9 shows, and I was trying to catch up with that, after which it will be a show a week.

If this is inappropriate, please let me know and I will gladly remove the links. I saw reviews on

Thank you very much, Chris King / Cynical Prophet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cynical Prophet (talk • contribs) 16:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as you have a conflict of interest you should not be adding these links, doing so could be seen as spaming no matter what merit the link may have. You should instead suggest the links to the talk pages and an independent editor may add them to the article for you. But seeing as the website is a fansite/personal blog, I do not see them passing WP:EL. Rehevkor ✉ 16:49, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

How to edit templates?

Resolved

 –  – ukexpat (talk) 20:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

How do I edit the template at the bottom of the page for the NWA Force One Heavyweight Championship that says "Force One Pro Wrestling championships"? Kris (talk) 16:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

You would edit Template:Force One. – ukexpat (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! 76.116.139.12 (talk) 19:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The v · d · e links on the left side of the template titlebar are view, discuss, edit. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 00:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

sort problem (numbers vs charters)

in exploring the article List_of_tallest_buildings_by_U.S._state there are 3 numerical columns (height in feet, height in meters, levels) For the levels column, when sorted ascending it sorts by numbers (i.e. 3 then 11, and at the bottom 76 then 102 then 110, as it should be); but when sorted descending it sorts by characters (i.e. 76 at the top, then in the middle 30 then 3 then 26, and at the bottom 12 then 110 then 11 then 102.) which is obviously incorrect.

Does anyone have any idea wat is happening and how it can be fixed? Dakker44 (talk) 17:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Numbers are, I believe, sorted correctly if there are only numbers in the column (the reference on WV may be screwing things up). You xan make certain by putting all numbers into the nts template. For example, change 69 to {{nts|69}}. See Template:Number table sorting for more information.Naraht (talk) 18:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, I went ahead and removed the WV reference and it worked fine, then I placed the reference back and tagged all numbers in the column with {{nts}} and it works fine as well. I've left it that way (since it's working), but feel free to revert - frankie (talk) 19:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

large number of small edits

Is there any guideline on en-wiki that gives preference to avoiding large numbers of small edits on one article by one user? I have always thought that putting a lot of little changes together in one edit is better, for instance for keeping the history synoptic etc. But I can't find a guideline on it. - Dick Bos (talk) 19:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Is there a guideline on it? Probably, it seems there is a guideline on just about everything :) Generally speaking, I think it is good to do small edits, rather than multiple changes in a single edit for the reasons you suggest. However, there can be some exceptions, although they do not conflict with your reasoning. If you decided to reorder an article, it should be done as one edit, otherwise, intermediate versions will look silly. If you were making a series of related edits, for example, a table of items which are capitalized and shouldn't be, then do all the changes in a single edit. The general rule – as much as possible, any intervening version should stand on its own. (I occasionally violate this myself, but if I need to, that's when an under construction tag" makes sense.) Keep in mind that some editors wills ee every edit on their watchlist, so multiple edits when a single combined edit would make sense could be annoying.--SPhilbrickT 21:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

No official guideline status but see Help:Show preview, Wikipedia:Pruning article revisions, {{Uw-preview}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Submission

I am a retired reporter and columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times. Some months ago, I noticed the glaring absence of a noted colleague, Roger Simon, chief political columnist at Politico and a best-selling author. In an attempt to right this, I put together a bio submission, and the rest has been not easy going. I am attempting to help Wikipedia here. My submission is currently at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Roger_Simon

I have been enforced that my submission lacked references (although a quick look at Google would have solved this. In any event, I have now put together a list of references that should do more than buttress the bio. I am having trouble working with Wikipedia formatting and protocols, so I am left with a bio and reference links. Frankly, I would appreciate it if someone from Wikipedia took over now and formatted the entry properly. Following are the bio and the links. Is there any advice as to what I can do next? (I do not have a lot of spare time to help Wikipedia.

The bio:

Collapsing draft article content

Roger Simon, an award-winning journalist and New York Times best-selling author, is the chief political columnist of Politico. Based in Washington, D.C., Simon contributes articles to national magazines ranging from The New Republic to the New York Times Book Review and speaks nationally. His work has also appeared in Slate, The Washington Post and the Washington Monthly. Simon has appeared as a political analyst on numerous television and radio programs including "Meet the Press," "Face the Nation," the "Today" show, "Good Morning America," "Hardball with Chris Matthews," the "Charlie Rose Show," "Reliable Sources," and the "Diane Rehm Show." Simon was also a regular weekly panelist on CNN’s "Lou Dobbs." Simon was a columnist at The Baltimore Sun from 1984 to 1995 and first gained major notice as an investigative reporter and columnist during his 12 years at the Chicago Sun-Times. In 1998, he became the White House correspondent of the Chicago Tribune and covered the Monica Lewinsky scandal. In 1999, he joined U.S. News & World Report as chief political correspondent and then political editor. He joined Bloomberg News in January 2006 as its first chief political correspondent and later joined POLITICO as its first chief political columnist He has won more than three dozen first-place awards and twice won the American Society of Newspaper Editors Distinguished Writing Award for Commentary. Also, he has won the National Headliner Award three times including 2005 for his coverage of the 2004 presidential election. He won a National Headliner Award in 2008 for his coverage of the presidential campaign and in 2009 was a finalist for the National Journalism Award for commentary. His work has been included in the "Best Newspaper Writing in America" in three different years. In reviewing a collection of his work titled "Simon Says: The Best of Roger Simon" (Contemporary Books), Martha Jablow of The New York Times compared him to H.L. Mencken and Russell Baker. The book, published in both hardcover and paperback, has been translated into Japanese. His first book on presidential politics titled "Road Show" was published by Farrar, Straus & Giroux and received praise from the New York Times, the Boston Globe, the Los Angeles Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, Newsweek and Time. His book on the Clinton administration and national politics titled "Show Time" was published by Times Books/Random House and hit the New York Times best-seller list on March 29, 1998. His book on the 2000 presidential race, "Divided We Stand," was published by Crown Publishers/Random House in 2002. The Boston Globe said, "Simon is known for his droll humor and bracingly pithy distillations of complex issues." The Associated Press has called his work "sensitive, relevant and written with understated elegance." Simon's column, syndicated for more than 25 years, is distributed by Creators Syndicate to newspapers throughout the world. Simon is a three-time winner of the American Bar Association's Silver Gavel Award, a three-time winner of the Peter Lisagor Award from the Chicago Headline Club, an eight-time recipient of the Page One Award from the Chicago Newspaper Guild and was the first non-black journalist to win a national writing award from the National Association of Black Journalists. Simon has also won five United Press International Awards and four Associated Press Awards. He has won three Washington-Baltimore Newspaper Guild Awards, a Maryland-Delaware-District of Columbia Press Association Award and is a three-time winner of the Society of Professional Journalists Maryland Professional Chapter Award. He is a two-time winner of the Washington Monthly Journalism Award for political reporting. Judges from the Ernie Pyle Memorial Award competition cited his "extraordinary ability to capture the story in terms of ordinary people." In 1995, Simon won first-place awards from the Society of Professional Journalists and the Chesapeake Associated Press. In 2005 he won the National Headliner Award for magazine writing for his coverage of the 2004 presidential election. In 2004 he won the Washington Headliner Award for magazine writing. Simon was born in Chicago, Ill., and has a B.A. degree in English from the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana. He has also worked for the Waukegan (Ill.) News-Sun and the City News Bureau of Chicago. In April, 1999 Simon was inducted into the Chicago Journalism Hall of Fame, whose members include Carl Sandburg, Ben Hecht, Ring Lardner and Mike Royko. Simon has been a Poynter Media Fellow at Yale University, a Hoover Media Fellow at Stanford University, and a Kennedy School of Government Institute of Politics Fellow at Harvard Un The references: Roger Simon bio at Politico: http://www.politico.com/reporters/RogerSimon.html Roger Simon bio at Creators Syndicate: http://www.creators.com/opinion/roger-simon-about.html "Face the Nation" transcript with Roger Simon appearance: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/FTN_091309.pdf?tag=contentMain%3BcontentBody Roger Simon column as run by CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/24/politics/main2393677.shtml Interview with Roger Simon in Chicago Reader: http://www.facebook.com/l/2782bKMPWOfBjFtda3RiX6HgnXA/www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/roger-simons-new-house-two-thumbs-in-the-eye/Content?oid=895268 Roger Simon appearance on CNN "Reliable Sources" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1104/03/rs.01.html Roger Simon appearance on MSNBC "Hardball": http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24792359/ns/msnbc_tv-hardball_with_chris_matthews/t/hardball-chris-matthews-thursday-may/ Roger Simon appearance on NBC "Meet the Press": http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5086094/ns/meet_the_press/t/transcript-may/ Daily Kos story about Roger Simon: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/06/12/875225/-When-life-brings-lemonsRoger-Simon List of books authored by Roger Simon at amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Roger-Simon/e/B001KHPKFC New York Times review of Roger Simon book "Showtime" https://myaccount.nytimes.com/auth/login?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/03/08/reviews/980308.08shribmt.html&OQ=Q5fQ72Q3dQ31 Photo of Roger Simon in conversation with England's Prince Edward: http://www.flickr.com/photos/haddadmedia/5856868143/ Roger Simon column in U.S. News & World Report from 2005: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/articles/050912/12simon.htm

Zaynsmith (talk) 19:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Please add your references to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Roger Simon. – ukexpat (talk) 20:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I think Ukexpat's reply was a bit unfriendly, since you said that you couldn't work out how to add the references yourself. But they would be better, even in their current form, in the article than here (where there is no reason for anybody to look at them). And if you have a look at WP:REFBEGIN, it's not actually too difficult to add them properly.

But looking at the references you have given, it appears to me that many of them are either primary sources or not independent. The Wikipedia criterion for notability is that the subject have been written about in multiple independent reliable sources. On a quick glance through, it appears to me that only the NYT interview and the Chicago Reader item meet that criterion: it's not that the other references may not be used, but they do not establish notability. Those two probably are enough to do that, however (though the Chicago Reader should not be linked via Facebook!).

Though the referencing is important, there are other issues with the article as well: no wikilinks (links to other articles in Wikipedia), no division into sections.

You ask "someone from Wikipedia" to come on over and work on it: there is no "someone from Wikipedia" - we're all the same as you. I realise it's frustrating when you go through the proper procedure, and get little feedback; but that rather comes with the territory of a collaborative volunteer project.

I'll see if I can do anything with the article: but don't expect quick results! --ColinFine (talk) 20:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and created a Roger Simon (journalist) article, using the contributor's material above but pared way down. I agree that the wiki markup is confusing to deal with for a first-time editor. The problem with Simon's article, based on a quick Google search I did, is that very few people seem to have written about him - and according to Wikipedia: Notability, that's what we need to have a valid article about a noteworthy person, not merely a copy of their resume. But I think the stub article, with references, that I made tonight is good enough to stand on its own, and perhaps other editors who want to take more time will add to it. Textorus (talk) 06:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Today

it shows the wrong date — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.213.216.129 (talk) 19:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I see "Monday, June 27,2011" What do you see?--SPhilbrickT 20:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

You posted that comment at 19:34 UTC on 27 June. If you are somewhere which is more than four and a half hours East of Greenwich, it was already 28 June for you; but Wikipedia uses Coordinated Universal Time, according to which it was (and is now) still the 27th. --ColinFine (talk) 20:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia

This was such a difficult page to find I have a feeling it won't work or you don't want to hear what I have to say anyway, but here goes. When I make references to important and controverial events like Presidential assassinations, the revision of the Jews lives in Nazi Germany,or 911 amongst others, these articles are written by people with obviously uninformed prejdice. Wikipedia seems to be either publicity written by showbiz agents or propaganda of the most outdated and irrelevent nature. If contrary views aren't allowed no mater how overwhelming the evidence, shut Wikipedia down, you're just looking silly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.161.51 (talk) 19:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure you can understand the difficulty of responding specifically. Wikipedia takes seriously the need for evidence when adding or changing information in articles. If you'd be willing to share a specifics example, someone will be happy to discuss it with you, although generally, such discussion s belong on the talk page of the specific article in question. If you feel that your suggestions are not being addressed properly, we can advise you regarding the next steps in dispute resolution. However, there are no edits to Wikipedia by you, other than to this help desk, so I cannot guess the nature of your concern.--SPhilbrickT 20:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Could you please give an example? It's hard to respond without knowing exactly what the problem is. You seem to have wandered off midsentence. What happens when you "make references to important and controverial events"?

Nonetheless, I recommend you read Wikipedia:Describing points of view and WP:Verifiability. Additions to controversial issues must be referenced to a reliable source, otherwise they can be removed immediately. Note that opinion and original research are actually very much discouraged. WP:Neutral point of view also ensures that there is no bias. Wikipedia operates on consensus not on the opinions of its individual editors.

Wikipedia, however, can not entertain fringe theories. Again refer to the previous requirement of having a reliable source to back a contrary viewpoint. While they can be mentioned, they should not be given undue weight as a "valid" theory if the bulk of scientific consensus or the majority opinion is against it. In other words, dubious information should not be presented as fact.

What you view as 'overwhelming evidence' might not actually be considered as such by the majority or all of the other reliable sources. But by all means, if you have doubts on the truthfulness of the contents of an article, please raise the issues in the talk page of the article and provide your reasons (and sources) on why you think it is wrong or should be changed. See Help:Using talk pages.

You might also be interested in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia Is and WP:What Wikipedia is not.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 21:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Tagged article - can an editor please remove?

The following article is tagged as an orphan and for clean-up: Royal Collection Project. I shortened the headings as requested and there are 3 links back to the article. Can an editor help please? Thank you in advance. Artisforme (talk) 20:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Any editor may remove a tag, including you. If you think that the issue has been resolved, remove the tag. But make sure you explain in your edit summary (or on the talk page, if it needs more length) why you think this is appropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 21:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I have done a little more clean up, fixed some wikilinks, delinked some unnecessary links and further shortened the headings. Tags removed. – ukexpat (talk) 13:30, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you both for the feedback and I appreciate having the tags removed. Artisforme (talk) 15:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

External Link Correction Not Accepted

I am webmaster for Rocky Hill (CT) Historical Society. I wish to correct the external link to our organization which is no longer valid. The wiki page gives this url as the link to our organization: [6] This web site is no longer in use and has been replaced by history.wordpress.com. However your bot does not allow me to make this essential change. The link to the page in question: [7]

Thank you...John Brush — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.129.85 (talk) 21:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying, let me see if I have better luck.--SPhilbrickT 21:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

While I'm waiting to see if the bot is going to pick a fight with me, do you have any info about the John Robbins House. We could use an article about it.--SPhilbrickT 21:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I've got some info. It's for this article, right? Maybe this could fix it. I also put a stub on that article. Thanks! A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 01:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wait, is it Massechusetts or Connecticut? Thanks, A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 01:10, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I was referring to this John Robbins House, which is a redlink at John Robbins House.--SPhilbrickT 11:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

language version

Hi

I have a two language version of my wikipedia subject (MARIAN HESS)- in polish and english. It is not show up on the left. what I have to do? As well what I need to do more to not show up errors in my sections. thanks for answer

Anna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anna Hess (talk • contribs) 21:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

See Help:Interlanguage links. Just add [[en:Marrian Hess]] at the very bottom of the article in the Polish page, and [[pl:Marrian Hess]] on the English page.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 21:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I have also fixed your referencing errors. Please use <ref> and </ref> in conjunction with a {{Reflist}} template instead of <reference> and </reference>. Click here to see my changes. You might also be interested in reading Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners.

I have also done minor fixes to the article itself. One thing I find unclear: what are the awards? It doesn't seem to actually identify the name of the awards, just the date and who presented them. Could you provide these?-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 22:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Phone app?

Is there a Wikipedia Java app for mobile phones? AlexCovarrubias ^{( Talk? )} 21:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Mobile phone, like, a cell phone, iPhone, or what? A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 23:13, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

(In answer to Since 10.28), no just a mobile phone. --ColinFine (talk) 19:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The page Help:Mobile access covers lots of these new-fangled devices. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Map scale in infoboxes

How do you adjust the map scale in the infoboxes that accompany geography articles? I am aware of the scale feature within the simple "Coord" parameter, but that is not what I'm looking for. How does an infobox (with coordinates therein) get its scale? Does it default to a certain scale? When does it display also in the "title" (top of page)? Backspace (talk) 22:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

See the documentation for Template:Location map, and in Category:Geobox. Template:Coord has a display=title parameter. An infobox might use {{Coord}} as a subtemplate. Your question will make more sense if you specify a particular infobox template. Not all of them may follow a common standard, since many different people may edit similar templates on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 22:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

For example, to use a recent article that I edited, and attempted without success to change the map scale, Iztacalco has an infobox with a map that is at a 1:100,000 scale. How did it obtain this scale, since I see no obvious scale factor stated anywhere, and how does one go about changing the scale? Is there somehow a default value? Backspace (talk) 14:17, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for giving a specific example. The Iztacalco article uses the {{Infobox settlement}} template. You can temporarily click the "Edit this page" tab to open the article in an edit window, and scroll down to see list of templates that the article uses, and the templates they use. The {{Infobox settlement}} page documents the template, which seems to answer your questions:

• The template displays coordinates at the top of the page depending on the coordinates_display parameter.
• The coordinates_type argument specifies the map scale among other things. The argument is optional and does not appear in the call to {{Infobox settlement}} in the Iztacalco article, so the infobox template must be supplying a default value, perhaps passing it to the {{Coord}} template that the infobox template uses. You should be able to override the default by editing the template call in the article to add the coordinates_type argument, with the value you need. Note that this is much safer than editing the template itself, since any error you might make could only affect the article, and not all the other articles that use the same template.

Let us know if reading the template documentation and links therefrom does not answer your questions. As you can see, this infobox template is intricate and is built on top of other intricate templates. A person would need some knowledge of templates on Wikipedia to understand how this works. Templates are easier for people with prior knowledge of a programming language to understand. --Teratornis (talk) 18:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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censor?

This is just a quick question, but why is Wikipedia uncensored? Please do not direct me here, as I have already been there and haven't had my question answered. Thanks! Also, | PLS DON'T↑

please respond on my talk page if possible. A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how much you expect from "just a quick question" but neither the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia nor the consensus of the editors want censorship. There are however different opinions of what constitutes censorship and whether Wikipedia has it. If you have something more specific in mind then you can ask a more specific question. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I do not mean to offend anyone, but can you just tell me the answer? Thanks. I also stated WHY is wikipedia uncensored, not on the subject itself. A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 23:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The reason is that editor consensus has decided that it should be uncensored. There is no other reason. Ryan Vesey (talk) 23:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The answer is right there: Wikipedia is not censored (or at least claims not to be censored) because the people who run Wikipedia want to run it that way. If you are asking why they want to run

Wikipedia that way, then we are off to the races in an attempt to unravel the complete evolutionary causal chain going all the way back to the Big Bang which led to their brains being in the particular states that produced their decisions. That's if you accept a deterministic view of the universe, in which the answer to every question about why something is goes back to some previous state of the universe which caused the current state. --Teratornis (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia's five pillars and many other rules became codified early in Wikipedia's history. If you are interested in learning about the original reasoning behind what are now the rules we accept largely without question, you can go back and read early versions of the various policy and guideline pages, as well as their talk pages which often contain discussion justifying the rules when they were still up for debate. --Teratornis (talk) 23:21, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

For example, Wikipedia's naming conventions on capitalization of article titles have an interesting history. The current guidelines (WP:LOWERCASE, WP:CAPS, WP:MOSHEAD) merely state the rules, but early versions argue in support of the rules. On Appropedia:User:Teratornis/Tasks#Naming convention I documented my findings of some of this early material about the title lettercase rules. That was interesting to me because on this other wiki (Appropedia), there is no consistent title lettercase convention. So the whole debate that took place on Wikipedia and is now largely forgotten would have to basically replay on potentially thousands of other wikis that do not follow Wikipedia's rules. Anyway, with reference to your question of "why?", probably every rule on Wikipedia has been extensively debated and you can dig up the arguments that won. Some of them are summarized in Wikipedia:Perennial proposals. --Teratornis (talk) 23:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Still doesn't answer my question, but I'm dropping this discussion. I personally thought it is inappropriate to show such uncensored images, in an encyclopedia. Teratornis said, “The answer is right there: Wikipedia is not censored (or at least claims not to be censored) because the people who run Wikipedia want to run it that way. If you are asking why they want to run Wikipedia that way, then we are off to the races in an attempt to unravel the complete evolutionary causal chain going all the way back to the Big Bang which led to their brains being in the particular states that produced their decisions...”. The Big Bang has absolutely nothing to do with this simple question. And why are you guys that rude? Honestly. Is it just my point of view (everyone has different POVs, but there seems to be a preferred point of view here), or what? Again, I do not mean to offend anyone. And what consensus here is there? As far as I'm concerned, there is none. As I said, this still doesn't answer my question here, which I would like to bring up why there is nudity in Wikipedia. It is at least slightly inappropriate to some people, and the discussion on some pages, have people being “appaled” with censoring of images. I feel like a single human among aliens in this discussion. The situation here is exactly opposite of the usually predicted outcome. People are looking for censorship as if it were bad, instead of uncensorship. Again, none of the above comments solves the question. I am trying to solve the question not talk about Big Bang. And PrimeHunter, “I don't know how much you expect from "just a quick question" but neither the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia nor the consensus of the editors want censorship. There are however different opinions of what constitutes censorship and whether Wikipedia has it. If you have something more specific in mind then you can ask a more specific question.” Is that an insult? “You can ask a more specific question”? I am appaled at what such a simple question has come to. Or, rather, am I reading this situation incorrectly? Again, I am not trying to offend ANYONE, I am only trying to get an answer to the question at the top of this section. Rather, should I ask, what do you guys view me as? Is it because I put too many requests (don't direct me here, respond here), because I see that you didn't fulfill my second request. If I seem rude, I deeply apologize, because I haven't eaten in a long time (maybe, eh, eight hours). Anyway, in all terms, I am done with this question, unless someone can provide me with an immediate answer. Anyway, I will be taking a very short WikiBreak. Thanks for any and all help, and I will see you...tomorrow? this afternoon? tonight? later? I don't know what time zone you guys are in. Anyway, I'll take a short WikiBreak, and if possible, please ANSWER the question above. Thanks, A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 00:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The policy was first introduced simply as a statement of one of the limitations of running Wikipedia as an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. The rationale shortly after it was first added to WP:NOT back in December 2004 was simply: "Firstly, anyone can edit an article and the results are displayed instantaneously, so we cannot guarantee that a child will see or read nothing objectionable. Secondly, Wikipedia has no systematic system for the removal of material that might be thought likely to harm minors." The current wording of WP:CENSORED has evolved from there—discussions that affected the policy are spread all over the encyclopedia, for example the archives at Talk:Clitoris contain lengthy discussions about if/what kind of image to include.—Jeremy (talk) 00:37, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Whatever, thanks all for advice. I am dropping this question, okay? Thanks. As I said above, you guys don't have to be so rude. I'm just asking a simple question, and if every single person who visits or is related to Wikipedia has to read the Wikipedai contracts three times over, then I will be leaving. Again, I'm just asking a simple question, so please stop being so...assertive. Thanks. A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 00:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I wrote "If you have something more specific in mind then you can ask a more specific question" because I suspected from your question and my help desk experience that you had a specific kind of censorship in mind. Your later posts indicate I was right: You had images of nudity in mind. Censorship is a broad term covering lots of things. Many editors have other things in mind when they talk about censorship. It was hard to answer your question before we knew what the question was about. The short and already stated answer is that Wikipedia works by consensus (you can follow links in replies to see more), and the editors of the English Wikipedia have rough consensus to allow images of nudity when it's relevant to the article. Individual editors may have different criteria for relevance, and different reasons, concerns and thresholds. This has lead to many discussions on talk pages of individual articles. For example, I opposed addition of the image commons:File:Scrotal epidermoid cysts.jpg (click at own risk) at Talk:Sebaceous cyst#Ballzac and the following section. I haven't been much involved in nudity discussions but in many other cases I would support images. Also note that editors come from different cultures around the world with different views on nudity. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, you mean a worldwide view? Got it. Also, I'll view the images later, on my own computer (I'm on my friend's laptop AND they are watching me). Oh, so specific kind OF CENSORSHIP? Wow, I guess I really can't understand others' comments. You know, last week this other guy tryed to make a joke, and I absolutely did not understand it. I guess I've got a lot of catching up to do. Thanks anyway. To All: I am closing this comment for discussion. Any other comments that need to be made please go to my talk page. Thanks anyway, A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 05:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, look at my second comment, “can you just tell me the answer”? I am still quite shocked as how far this has gotten. From a simple question to... a page-covering epidemic? Is it because I was being rude in my previous comments, because I was just trying to get to the point of the question, but unfortunately, Teratornis slightly elaborated. Now, wait a minute, I am NOT trying to ppoint fingers at ANYONE, I was just trying to get to the bottom of this discussion. Because I am looking at the other comments at the help desk, and they have not elaborated to this point. Or is it because they were extremely recent and have not “evolved” yet? I understand that this may be a slightly controversial subject, knowing the rarity of nude places in not only the U.S. but also in some other countries around the world. It is that you guys have come to a consensus AGAINST me? Or am I just totally thrown off track, totally not on the correct page? Because like I explained in the above comment by me (six indentations), there could be so many possibilities. Am I just not getting anything you guys say, or what? Or am I just treated like an old, pathetic, “noobish” slob that just started editing in Wikipedia? OR, do you guys have a possible secret hatred against me? I have this situation all screwed up, I just can't understand why this discussion evolved quite so much. Did you guys all have an extremely bad day (well, it's always pretty stressful at Wikipedia)? Now PrimeHunter here is stepping forward and telling a vague situation to me. Again, I am not trying to point fingers or shoot anyone (even myself) in the foot, much less directly critisize, insult or threaten anyone in this discussion, as I was saying, I am only trying to grasp the concept of this situation. As stated above, PrimeHunter's “story” is still not enough to see why this has evolved into quite a page-gulping epidemic article/question. Besides guys, this is the Wikipedia Help Desk, and I only want some answer. I deeply, sincerely apologize if I sound like a monotonious, lazy, repeated, droning, storylined, narrated voice/blob inside your head, but I just...hmm...how do I put this, YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT. My question was, “why is Wikipedia uncensored”, and still it is still yet left unanswered after about nine comments. And Teratornis drifted all the way to some baloney on the Big Bang, and even gave me a link for it. It was something on brains evolving during the Big Bang, when, I believe, humans DIDN'T EVEN EXIST, “that's if you accept a deterministic view of the universe,” quoted by Teratornis. Anyway, where he is steering this conversation is absolutely out of place. If you don't believe me, then you can scroll back up to his comment on the Big Bang. Go ahead. Do it, right now. I'll wait. Also, please don't tell me that I'M the guy who turned this into a page-covering epidemic, because I'm just explaining to you my opinion (in the form of long lengthy articles, at least I get some typing skills, that's not to say I'm doing this for the fun of it) and a simple request for the situation. Again, I am NOT trying to point fingers at anyone, except maybe slightly on TeraTornis, for steering the conversation to a whole new subject. I mean, CENSOR to BIG BANG in four comments? You've got to admit, that's at least slightly off-track, if not totally off the track (NOT the beaten track). Anyway, this is still really unbelieveable and incredible. First, CENSOR to BIG BANG in four comments, then five plus more lengthy comments follow. I mean, that's a *little* bit over, if not GROSSLY OVERAGED OVER OVER OVER. Also, this is the HELP DESK page. I want ANSWERS to my QUESTIONS. Not runarounds for hours, days, maybe weeks. After all this, I'm kind of frustrated. I mean, I totaally do not understand the situation here, and there's NO ONE on my side. I'm hopeless. Defenseless. I would hate to say this, however, I am actually extremely angry, and am trying to let my anger out on this here typing. I am extremely tired, it's 11:00 here in GMT -7, going on 12:00 in a couple of minutes, and am exhausted. My neck feels busted from craning over my computer, and my eyes have been transfixed on my computer for hours, and what feels like days. Sorry: I am not trying to make you guys feel sorry for me or give me extra conpensation, I am only de3scribing my side of the scene, so hopefully you guys will show me yours. Anyway, if you would like to tell me, even a sentence would do, what the bleep (I know, after a whole page on censorship) is going on here, you can visit my talk page, which the link is in my signature, a few words down. Sigh. I guess I'll take a short WikiBreak, like I said in previous comments. Again, I am not tryiong to offend, impersonate, or anger anyone here. I am also, trying my best to keep my cool, under extreme circumstances, to keep my cool. I have been typing continuously for hours. I am not trying to make you guys compensate me or feel sorry for me. Anyway, I deeply and sincerely apologize for any and all typos, I hope to all that it is still readable, thank you. God bless all of you, you are “dismissed”. A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 06:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

block

Is there a limit to how many people can block? In other words, who has the right on Wikipedia to block other users? If you have the answer please respond on my talk page if possible. Thanks a million! A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 22:53, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:User access levels and WP:BLOCK. --Teratornis (talk) 22:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

No, this user already gave me the answer, thanks. A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 23:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

username change

What is considered “redundant” username changing? Is it once a month, a year, or what? Thanks, A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 23:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

There is no fixed limit. Only Wikipedia:Bureaucrats can change usernames and I don't know the practice if a user makes several requests in a short time. I think it's rare to make any request after an earlier request was granted, so there may not even be an established practice. Considering [8], I would guess there is risk of rejection if you make a new request now. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

June 28

Color schemes

Someone "colorized" the List of people indicted in the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. Personally I find the color scheme used less than desirable. Do we have a guide to color usage for Wikipedia somewhere? Rmhermen (talk) 01:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:COLOR. Half the list fails color accessibility. I use the ColorChecker add-on for FireFox. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 02:32, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Taking another look, it would be better to have a separate column for status. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Fantasy Suicide Football

Hello, My name is Jim Butz and I am one of the owners of Suicide Fantasy Sports and many other linked domains. My brother and I have a trademark on the name suicide fantasy football, as well as a process patent in place for our game. One of our competitors- fantasy Suicide Football has violated the trademark, used our name and our game, and authored a page on your site. They do mention us, but this is a violation. I would ask that it be rem-oved. I can not contact the site -because the are non-responsive and I am trying to avoid litigation. Please email me at <Email redacted>

Thank you fpr your prompt attention,

Jim Butz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.81.76 (talk) 03:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I deeply regret that I cannot respond through e-mail, but if you could just show me what the article name is, that would be great. Copyright reproduction is, obviously a quite serious violation of not only Wikipedia policy, but also in the actual real world. I will place a deletion notice on the article as soon as possible. Thank you for reporting this to Wikipedia, as this is, as I said above, something that is quite serious. While you're waiting, we hope that you can view and possibly edit perhaps one or two or a few of our 3⅔ million articles wonderful articles in the English Wikipedia! Thanks again, A comment by a person who has been editing Wikipedia since October 28, 2010. (talk) 05:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fantasy suicide football -- John of Reading (talk) 07:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Un-redirect needed for Kit house

Kit house redirects to Sears Catalog Home. However, this is very misleading; Sears was a big seller of kit homes, but was only one of a number of companies who sold such houses. If some fellow editor would please undo this redirect - I'm clueless on how to do that - so I can begin an article on kit houses in general, I'd be most grateful. Textorus (talk) 04:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Please go here and simply replace the text with your new article. Thanks. In the future you can circumvent redirects by clicking on the link at the bottom of the title of the page you were redirected to. The previous example shows as (Redirected from Kit house), just click the link on that message and you will be taken to the redirect page itself which you can then edit like any normal page.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 04:30, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)You can just go to Kit house and hit edit. When a redirect takes you to its target, if you click the name of the redirect at the top of the page where it says (Redirected from Kit house), it will take you back to the redirect page and allow you to edit it. Monty₈₄₅ 04:32, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Duh, I feel so stupid, why didn't I see that myself. On track now, thanks mucho guys. Textorus (talk) 19:35, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Nicholas Cooke

Nicholas Cooke, my ancester was the first elected gov. of Rhode Island. We have letters he wrote to George Washington during the war. Also, letter in the Library of Congress, Washington D.C.Please contact me at . Thank you. Sincerely. Ellen Rodgers Topping — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.238.4.83 (talk) 08:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Nicholas Cooke (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I'm assuming that you are mentioning these here because they could be used to improve your ancestor's article? I think this would be tricky unless the text of the letters has been published outside Wikipedia first; see WP:PRIMARY. The article mentions that some of Cooke's papers have been published by the Rhode Island Historical Society. Perhaps you should contact them? -- John of Reading (talk) 08:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

can someone please make an article on US Marine company echo 2/5

They were my unit and were brave selfless men. Please create a page for them. They have been fighting for this country for a long time hopefully forever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.5.190.58 (talk) 08:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia aims to cover all subjects that have been written about in sources such as books, newspapers, journals and such like. Sadly, this means that very many people, groups and organisations do not appear in Wikipedia despite the worth of the work they do. According to the guidelines at WP:MILUNIT, a military company cannot be the subject of its own Wikipedia article unless it has attracted exceptional media coverage. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

How to add a link to a wiki page which has an apostrophe in the URL?

When I try to add a wiki page URL which has an apostrophe, it says page does not exist. The following doesn't work

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie's_Song http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie%27s_Song — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.31.114.252 (talk) 09:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Where are you trying to add the link? If you are linking one Wikipedia page to another, you should use links such as [[Annie's Song]], which is displayed as a standard blue link - Annie's Song. See Help:Link or the Wikipedia:Cheatsheet. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I wish to be offered a sholarship by the academy

I you real have the heart of helping,i beg for it.Hear my cry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.24.111.251 (talk) 12:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--Orange Mike | Talk 12:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Hillsborough Disaster Inaccurate

Dear Sir/Madam, My attention has been drawn to the "Hillsborough Disaster" section of your web site. Under "Causes" it states that "Overcrowding of confined pens on the terraces caused by a human stampede". This is an untrue and highly inaccurate statement. Even the same page opposite clearly states "The inquiry into the disaster, the Taylor Report, named the cause as failure of police control". I have tried to amend this myself, but it has been changed back. Can you please therefore amend the page to show the Cause as "Overcrowding of confined pens on the terraces caused by failure of police control". I don't need to emphasise that this is a very serious and sensitive subject, which on countless occasions has been "misunderstood", with various inaccurate reasons given for the disaster. I'm sure you take the families and survivors' feelings into consideration when you do amend this. Thank you - Debi McMillan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.199.167 (talk) 13:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I've downloaded a copy of the Taylor Report and used it to add a brief cited quote to the sentence you edited. Just changing "The cause was X" to "The cause was Y" isn't going to stick; readers and editors need to know where the information is coming from. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Problem

I can't edit the page World War II. It says that the page is locked. How do I edit it? Help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurricanefan25 (talk • contribs) 14:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

World War II is semi-protected. You can edit it when your account becomes autoconfirmed (four days old and at least 10 edits). Until then you can post suggestions to Talk:World War II. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I am grateful for your help. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurricanefan25 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

How did you become an administrator PrimeHunter? Hurricanefan25 (talk) 14:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Also I look at the recent change page a lot. I see lot of vandalism in there in the past. How do I get rid of it? Do I have to get permission? Hurricanefan25 (talk) 14:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

You are free to make any article better, including removing vandalism, at any time you want. You don't need any permission to fix or improve anything around here, see WP:BOLD. --Jayron32 14:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Editors can request to become administrators at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship where other editors can support or oppose. Past votes indicate that only editors with months of experience and thousands of edits have a chance to get enough support. My request is at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PrimeHunter. Anybody can revert vandalism but if you want to do it well and efficiently then check out Help:Reverting, Wikipedia:Vandalism, Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol, and the tools mentioned there. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

What is the "adopt user" program?

I was browsing user pages, and I saw a box that said "This user has been user adopted by Worm That Turned". What does that mean? Do I have to get permission to get adopted or meet requirements? I looked at the Wikipedia:Adopt a user pages. It looks good. Am I allowed to be adopted? Hurricanefan25 (talk) 15:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you can, and it is a good idea. See Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. --SPhilbrickT 15:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply! Hurricanefan25 (talk) 15:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Need 2 images cropped

Resolved

 – My pleasure. – ukexpat (talk) 20:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I am terrible at image fixing, but there are two that I need cropped for improving some articles:

• File:Jim Plunkett.gif: Need this to be a tighter crop on Plunkett's face, he's the guy on the telephone. Would make a more appropriate infobox picture if it were just him.
• File:Doug Williams.jpg: Same basic idea. Need a picture of Williams by himself, rather than with the two unnamed gentlemen, which would be more appropriate for the infobox. He's the man in the center. If possible, could we crop this one to have just Williams in it?

Thanks in advance if anyone can handle these. --Jayron32 16:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Jayron, if someone doesn't respond shortly here, I've found the editors hanging out at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Photography workshop to be helpful, competent and timely.--SPhilbrickT 16:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll have a go, give me a few minutes. – ukexpat (talk) 17:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done, see File:Jim Plunkett (cropped).jpg and File:Doug Williams (cropped).jpg. – ukexpat (talk) 18:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC) ------------->

Thank you, ukexpat. You sir are an officer AND a gentleman. --Jayron32 20:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Roger Simon (journalist)

A correction to my entry: It is my right leg that was amputated below the knee and my left foot was also amputated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ralph124c41 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

This request would be better made at Talk:Roger Simon (journalist). It will be easier to have an editor make the correction if you include a source to back up your statement. Ryan Vesey (talk) 17:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The existing inline citation verifies this information—the person who used the source just got mixed up.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Appropriate content for an article about a place.

At Talk:Royal Leamington Spa#Article content, you will see a debate about putting information about a neighboring school that is not strictly located in the city that the article is about, but that seems important to the city. Is there an existing policy on Wikipedia about place articles stating that they either should or should not include information on facilities nearby (but not within the place proper) that may be important to the place? --Arg342 (talk) 17:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

It's rare that I see a dispute and find myself unable to pick a side, but this looks like a toss-up to me, at least on first glance. Wikipedia:Summary style might apply to some extent. When two articles contain overlapping or redundant content, it's better to pick one article to be the primary description, and replace the redundant instance in the secondary article with a summary and link to the primary instance. That doesn't address the question of whether an article about a particular geographic area should say anything, or how much to say, about locations or institutions in adjoining areas. Maybe Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography or one of its subprojects such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities might provide guidance. Look through the style guides under Special:PrefixIndex/Wikipedia:Manual of Style e.g. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (British Isles-related articles) (which does not appear helpful, alas). If you can't find a codified rule, look to the "case law" by reading some featured articles or good articles about cities, to see if they mention things that are just outside their boundaries. Featured articles are supposed to reflect the best practice on Wikipedia, so whatever they do should usually be safe to do in similar articles. Even if studying the featured articles does not answer your specific question, the exercise is useful because you may see other things to aim for in your editing. A possible precedent might be when a city has a strong relationship with another city or institution, you would expect the article to mention that somehow. For example, there are bedroom communities whose main purpose is to house people who work in neighboring areas. To mention a bedroom community with no reference to the neighboring areas on which its economy depends would make no sense. Thus the strength of relationship might be a deciding factor. --Teratornis (talk) 19:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Arcadia Arcadian Order

I was a memmber of a Adcadia Arcadian Order Church in the 1995 approx.year and as i know that all Churches of that Division has to be registered in China and all memmbers to and was wondering were that registration branch is Located. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.27.194.40 (talk) 18:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

This Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. For general knowledge questions, ask on the Reference desk. For questions about religion, ask on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. --Teratornis (talk) 19:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Editor review

I'm trying to post my second editor review but, I can't locate instructions regarding further request, does it automatically template your request "UserExample (2)" or "UserExample (3)" ? also when I enter my username in the input window and click "Request a review" my first review is displayed, do we just delete the old statements and type in the new ? Mlpearc Public (talk) 19:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

my saved edits didn't appear

I just edited an article --- previewed the edits --- saved the edits --- saw the edits on what looked like the original page --- and nothing changed in the original article.

What did I do wrong?

Jkirman (talk) 20:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)XLinkBot reverted your edits to the last edit before those edits.

The url http://howapoemhappens.blogspot.com/2010/04/maggie-anderson.html was the trigger the action. Jarkeld (talk) 20:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

You were apparently reverted by a bot (User:XLinkBot), probably because one of the links you added is in the spam blacklist or because you added an excessive amount of external links. See here. Please only add external links directly related to the subject. See WP:NOTREPOSITORY and WP:EL for relevant guidelines.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 20:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Everything seems OK now. All the content is present. Thanks. Not sure what happened but it worked itself out, I guess. However, the "bad" link is still there. Should I delete it? Jkirman (talk) 20:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

User:Fuhghettaboutit restored your previous revision. As long as your edits are saved, they never really gets lost. You can also actually easily see what happened by checking the history of each page in Wikipedia. See Help:Page history.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 20:33, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, then. I guess all's well that ends well. THANKS again! Jkirman (talk) 20:46, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Finding about about your user stats

Hello, I was trying to find out how many pages I've added, and other statistics like files uploaded etc., but I couldn't find where those statistics are placed. Any help would be deeply appreciate. Side note- I know that the quantity of those things does not make you a better Wikipedian, I was just curious. Magister Scienta (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters probably has what you seek. --Jayron32 20:14, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

You can also click the My Contributions link at the top right, it lists all your recent contributions much in the same way as your watchlist lists recent changes to articles you are following. A more in-depth view is also given by external affiliated sites at the very bottom of that page. Particularly Edit count, Articles created, and Global contributions. -- Obsidi♠n^Soul 20:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Request to include surname belonging to GBS community

Respected Sir, I am a member of Gowd Saraswat Brahmin community. I live in Ponda, Goa. I was very disappointed to learn that our surname hasn't been included in the list of surnames of Gowd Saraswat Brahmins. My surname is Shiravanthe. Shiravanthe is the name of the village where we belong; and they are Konkani speaking GSBs. Most of the Shiravanthe either got converted or changed their surname to Rao or Shanbaug. We are too an important part of this community and therefore request you to add our surname to this mentioned list and oblige me.

I assure you that the information I've provided here is absolutely correct up to my knowledge.

Hoping to hear from you soon.

Thanking you,

Yours Truly Abhay Shiravanthe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.203.78.231 (talk) 20:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Wikipedia needs to be built upon more than "You can trust me". We do understand that some of our existing articles are well below standard, for example, List of Goud Saraswat Brahmin surnames is almost entirely unreferenced, without any indication as to how someone came up with that particular list. Quite simply put, this is unacceptable at Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Citing sources). However, adding your addition of your name to that article, without any verification from a published, reliable source (see Wikipedia:Reliable sources) doesn't improve the article, it compounds the problem of a substandard article by making it have MORE problems rather than less. If you have reliable, published sources which list your surname as belonging to the list, please feel free to add it. Even better, if you have reliable, published sources which list all of the names on the list (or any reliable, published sources which can confirm anything in that article) that would be even better! --Jayron32 22:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Sandbox for User Pages/Problem with signing with 4 tildes

I have had trouble using the Wikipedia Sandbox, so I want to use my user page sandbox so newer editors can learn with the Wikipedia one without being distracted by my test edits. I am an anonymous editor. Do I need an account in order to use my own sandbox page, or is it possible to use an IP Address User Page Sandbox? If it is possible to use my IP Address for a Sandbox Page, could someone instruct me how that is done? If clarification is needed, please request it and I'll try to do so. Thanks. Oh, P.S. I signed four tildes, previewed my post, and the following (paraphrased) message came up: "Please do not provide your e-mail address or any other contact details in your post since the Help desk is a highly visible page." I decided to not sign the 4 tildes in case this information is sensitive; however, I thought anonymous users should sign the 4 tildes, even in pages like these. Much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.237.57 (talk) 23:51, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you need an account to create new pages, which includes a personal sandbox. There are many other advantages to creating an account (and no cost!) so you're welcome to do so. As for the contact detail issue, you may notice that since you didn't sign the post yourself, a bot has done so for you - the signature created by four tildes gives no more information than is available in the History tab of the page - your IP address and the time you edited. While this is enough to provide some corroborating evidence on who you are, it's nowhere near as identifying as an email address. The "do not provide your email address" warning appears to everyone who edits the Help desk, it wasn't specifically linked to your use of the signature. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for answering both questions. I guess I assumed the contact warning was a warning that showed up specifically for me since some of the info was in bold and/or blue. Another couple of questions about user accounts: I created one about 5 years ago, but I haven't reactivated it in a LONG time. I can see my User Name under the history of an article that I created long ago, but I can't find my User Name when I search for it ("Yoshi Kart" or something like that). Does the searching for User Names in Wikipedia only work for active users? As soon as I find the login info for my account (written on a pad of paper in my room somewhere), I wanted to login again, but I don't want to bother searching for that paper unless logging in would work again. Is there some way you could find out if my account (which hasn't been used in about 5 years) would still login OK? If you trying to find out if an account THAT OLD would still work is not productive use of your time, I completely understand. I do acknowledge you are a volunteer, and as such, there are probably more pressing questions you need to help answer. Thanks for reading--sorry about length of my post. 67.182.237.57 (talk) 00:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)