Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Iran

A big discussion on the talk:Turkic peoples

Greetings. I'd like all interested parties to participate in the discussion "The Turkic ethnicities, Turkic languages and the population data in the article" on the talk page above. I am trying to include as many participants as possible from different projects. Please be active Aregakn (talk) 01:55, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

FAR

I have nominated Iranian peoples for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer (talk) 01:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Golha (radio programmes)

I removed WP Afghanistan from Golha (radio programmes), obvously It's related to Iran, Exprienced editors plz check Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 15:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Conversion to {{Infobox road}}

Are there any objections to converting the infoboxes that are currently used on Iran highway articles to {{Infobox road}}, which is fully compliant with the accessibility and WP:MOSFLAG guidelines, and which is used in several other countries? --Rschen7754 21:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Behistun Palace

Please help clean this up. I am not an expert on the subject, found it because I have an interest. Hope you do as well.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 18:05, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Emergency: Can a user delete Iran's history of classical music and art from WP?

Hi,

The same user who was highly involved in an Iranian musician, Kourosh Zolani’s AfD discussion and deleted a huge part of the comments from the opponent side on August 15 and Agust16, has nominated almost every Iranian musicians articles for deletion or speedy deletion today. Here are the links to two pages of names: (page 1) and (page 2). The user is proposing to delete almost all the history of Iranian classical music from WP. This act sounds totally racial and discrimination to me. Is there any policy in Wikipedia to stop this user’s suspicious act? Thank you, Thomasshane (talk) 20:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Iran Portal

I have raised an issue on Portal talk:Iran but I thought it might be useful to provide notice here as well: a new user seems to have taken upon themself the role of sole arbiter on Portal:Iran, updating the Selected biography, Featured picture and Selected article with no discussion among the other maintainers of the portal or this WikiProject. Would any of the more experienced members of this WikiProject care to address this? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

List of hospitals in Iran

FYI, List of hospitals in Iran has been prodded for deletion. 76.66.197.151 (talk) 06:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You saw it, I advise you to see the end —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.76.66.69 (talk) 16:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Transport in Iran - Category currently uses US variant

Maybe you like to vote on Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_September_9#Category:Transportation_in_Iran TruckCard (talk) 01:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Iran articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.

We would like to ask you to review the Iran articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as One Laptop per Child and Wikipedia for Schools to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide. Please help us, with your WikiProject's feedback!

For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 23:11, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Women's rights in Iran

More Wiki editors should take a look at this page. A couple of users are adding a sub-section on, and advocating that stoning, which is a Human rights' violation, is actually a Women's rights in Iran, and done to women, for being women, when most victims of stoning have been men, and the law applies to both genders. AlexanderPar (talk) 23:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Rename Evin Prison to "Evin House of Detention"?

As seen in File:EvinHouseofDetention.jpg, the Iranian government's official English name seems to be "Evin House of Detention." Should we use that name instead of "Evin Prison"? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:37, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Ambigious template

Can project members give their opinion on this [1]. I am inclining that it should be deleted. It seems users think that by deleting any mention of Iran and Persian culture, they can carve out a separate history for a historical Persian speaking region. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 04:15, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Iranshenasi

I would appreciate if some editors familiar with Iran and its culture could have a look at the article on Iranshenasi. Is it really "one of the most authoritative journals" in this area. Please also see this discussion about the reliability of Encyclopaedia Iranica as a source in this case. Thanks. --Crusio (talk) 08:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Iranshenasi again

Dear Friends, A certain user who does not understand Persian nor is aware of the academic reliability of Iranica has put Iranshenasi article for deletion [2]. I urge everyone to read the arguments (specially the number of citations by scholars in google books/scholars) and vote in the debate. Thanks --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 16:55, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Possible duplicate article

Hi there Wikiproject Iran. I'm a new page patroller and just came across the new article New Bonab. Can any of you confirm whether this is really a separate town from Benab? The two descriptions sound very similar; if they're the same page then the two should be merged. Perhaps someone here knows which is the better title as well. Gonzonoir (talk) 08:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, that city exists.--Aliwiki (talk) 10:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Isargaran article title

Outside opinions are invited as to how to title the article Isargaran of Islamic Revolution Population. Please contribue at the discussion on the article's talk page.--Kotniski (talk) 07:54, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing

I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 20:01, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Ahesta Boro

Hello, my friends: A group of us are working on clearing the backlog at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_October_2006. The article in the above header has been without sources for the past four years and may be removed if none are added. I wonder if you can help do so. Sincerely, and all the best to you, GeorgeLouis (talk) 07:09, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I added 2 source, however they are weak. Finding reference for such these matters are very difficult.--Aliwiki (talk) 14:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

World Heritage Site Bam

Hi! I am working on improving the List of World Heritage Sites in Danger and stumbled upon the following: Bam and its Cultural Landscape (official name of the WH site) redirects to Arg-é Bam which technically is just part of the WH site. On the other hand, there is also the Bam, Iran article which contains the WH site template, but possibly (?) covers a larger area (old and new city?) than the world heritage site. Maybe somebody who knows the locality could fix this problem. bamse (talk) 18:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi and thanks. You mentioned a good point. Bam,Iran is the current city which the old citadel is part of it. Comparison the article with other examples like Samarqand shows same structure. Do you think we must remove the WH from the city article?--Aliwiki (talk) 13:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I just wonder, how big the following three entities are relative to each other: (i) (modern) Bam city, (ii) WH site, (iii) Arg-é Bam. Possibly the redirect Bam and its Cultural Landscape should point to Bam, Iran (or a subsection of that article) with Arg-é Bam linked to in the Bam, Iran article. bamse (talk) 18:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. In my opinion, there must be just 2 entities. (i) Bam city (ii) Bam Citadel (in Laztinized Persian: Arg-e Bam) which is a WH site. I believe Bam and its Cultural Landscape is ambiguous and it would be better to be deleted.--Aliwiki (talk) 19:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

According to UNESCO, the WH site is bigger than the citadel. Quote: "The principal core zone consists of the Citadel (Arg-e Bam) with its surroundings. Outside this area, the specified remains of protected historic structures include: Qal'eh Dokhtar (Maiden's Fortress, c. 7th century), Emamzadeh Zeyd Mausoleum,..." That's why I think that the WH site should be either covered in the Bam, Iran article or in a to-be-written Bam and its Cultural Landscape article. "Bam and its Cultural Landscape" is the official UNESCO name of the WH site and should not be deleted in my opinion (even if it is just a redirect). bamse (talk) 21:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

You're right. Know much more better than me about Iran! So, as a coclucion, we must have two entities, (i)Bam city, (ii) WH sites of Bam which can be articled under the name Bam and its Cultural Landscape, but the latter name is ambiguous and in my opinion it would be better to rename it to Cultural Landscape of Bam or something similar.--Aliwiki (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Spelling: Shia vs. Shi'a vs. Shiite -- Discussion at WP:ISLAM

For anyone with input regarding possible WP standardisation of the word Shia, Shiite, Shi'a, please provide input at the following page: Shia/Shiite/Shi'a at WP:ISLAM. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:08, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

The term Shia is the preferred over the others. I explained in more detail in Islam Wikiproject page.--Aliwiki (talk) 11:44, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Assassins

The usage of assassins is up for discussion, see Talk:Hashshashin . 184.144.167.193 (talk) 05:12, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Iranian versus Persian

Hello all, I was wondering if I could get some feedback from this Wikiproject regarding calling people from Iran as Iranians or Persians. My thoughts is that currently the country is known as Iran and all major international organizations call it Iran, and thus it's citizens are Iranians, and that Persians can either refer to the the historical territory and/or Persian-speaking people in Iran, and as well as a synonym for Iranians, but that the most common name is Iranians and thus Wikipedia should use Iranian. There is a back-and-forth between me an an editor on a number of pages including Fariborz Sahba which seems to me to be politically motivated to separate it from the current Iranian government. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 19:29, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Alexander the Great/GA1

Alexander the Great is being reviewed for Good Article listing. It has been put on hold for an initial 14 days to allow for minor issues related to coverage and authorial tone to be addressed. Any assistance would be welcomed. If your project has been tagged as connected to this topic by mistake, the tag will be removed in 14 days time. SilkTork *^YES! 23:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Mota

Experts can comment here. Thanks.--Aliwiki (talk) 05:49, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

"Iranian Revolution" or "Islamic Revolution"?

Should the name of the Iranian Revolution article be changed to "Islamic Revolution"?

argue here. --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:30, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

New articles on post-79 Monarchist movement

Greetings, not advocating either side of the argument, but out of historic interest I updated one article (incl. Fair Use photo), and created two others:

• General Bahram Aryana (sourced, added pic): pro-Shah general
• General Gholam Ali Oveisi (new): "
• Iran Liberation Army (new), monarchist group, also known as "Azadegan"

Thanks for any help adding references (particularly if there are RSs available in Persian, as I don't read it well), and any help getting in proper spellings of names in Persian, etc. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

POV/synth issues at Corruption of Science and Education in Iran

Article seems to have some major failings; input? MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mehrnoush Najafi Ragheb

The article Mehrnoush Najafi Ragheb has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:GNG. Lacks substantial coverage in independent sources.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Pburka (talk) 04:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Ganja

Dear Sirs and Madams, I will be thanlful, if you check and enter corrections relating to the place name Ganja because of the similar names I found at maps: Ganjabad-E Sofla, Azarbayjan-e Sharqi, Iran; Ganjabad, Kapaz, Zanjan, Iran; Ganjabad, Esfahan, Iran, etc. Thank you in advance, -- Zara-arush (talk) 11:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:Conservatism in Iran

[[Category:Conservatism in Iran]] was just created and has one entry. Some questions: Is that the best name for ... these people? Too broad? Would "principalists" be better? Or added as another category? It seems like this category should have dozens, if not hundreds, of entries. --BoogaLouie (talk) 15:45, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Quick help with a sourcing problem at Dabir Azam Hosna

I don't speak Persian, and the article doesn't provide a translation, I would *expect* that the list of mayors at this site would include the mayor in question, but I simply can't tell. Can someone connect the dots sufficiently that I could add this list as a reference to the article on the former mayor? Thanks in advance, --joe decker^{talk to me} 02:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

2009 Iranian Air Force mid-air collision

Further information: WP:ANI § Civility: Threatened by Admin mjroots over edit to Wikipedia article which contained false uncited information introduced by admin

Can we please have some eyes on the 2009 Iranian Air Force mid-air collision (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article. A content dispute has broken out. Per WP:EW, I'm not going to make any more reverts, but I have asked for a course of action on the talk page, which another editor has backed, but he also cannot do for the same reason. Mjroots (talk) 22:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Hossein Seifzadeh

There appears to have been quite a bit added in the last few months regarding his arrest, but most of it is in Persian and since google translate seems to indicate that it is relevant, I thought I'd comment here.Naraht (talk) 17:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of the localities around Tehran

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of the localities around Tehran - page exists since 2005, on the talk page Talk:List of the localities around Tehran 3 editors voted for keep in 2006, no opposition. Now suddenly a user from the US jumps in and wants it to be deleted. He gets help from a user from the UK. No one did inform the WikiProject Iran. Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 01:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Prime Minister or Premier?

Should the term Prime Minister or Premier be used to refer to the Prime Ministers/ Premiers which came before the constitutional revolution? Both terms are often used in the same article e.g. Amir Kabir. Can the two terms be used interchangeably. On a related note is the term President of the Senate or Speaker of the Senate the correct one? The articles for the Senate of Iran and Jafar Sharif-Emami use both. Bosstopher (talk) 07:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Iranian photographer with cover/front page on Time magazine and Sharq

Is Javad Parsa notable?

Different photographs of his has been on the covers/front page of Time magazine and newspaper Sharq. After his picture of Irans president figured on the front page of Sharq, he was banned for 3 months from entering regjeringskvartalet (free translation: Government headquarter) in Iran.

References:

Dagens Næringsliv, "De utstøtte" by Cecilie Enger, 2011-05-07 pages 60-66

http://www.lisadaftari.com/articles/item/29-the-crime-of-a-photo

Does anyone have any additional references?

(Other names: Javad Moghimi and Javad M. Parsa) --62.92.144.15 (talk) 12:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Category discussion

Additional input would be appreciated here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:16, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Ismail I

When you have time, could you see Talk:Ismail I#POV pushing edits ? Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 10:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

RFC at Ruhollah Khomeini

Hi there. There's currently an RFC underway at Talk:Ruhollah Khomeini#The lead of the article, which is marked as high importance to WikiProject:Iran. Interested editors are invited to visit the talk page and take part in the discussion. TechnoSymbiosis (talk) 21:52, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

"Iran lobby"

I've just come across The Iran lobby in the United States, an orphaned article which looks potentially quite problematic - I don't know much about the topic, but it reads fairly one-sided, and may not be appropriate for a Wikipedia article. (Apart from anything else, a contribution by a user called "Minitrue Propdep" is faintly alarming). Could someone with expertise take a look? If need be, it may need deleting, or partially merging into Iran – United States relations.

Thanks, Shimgray | talk | 10:28, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Cinema Rex fire

From Talk:Cinema_Rex_fire#I_have_put_FIVE_independant_trustworthy_sources_that_proves_that_the_Islamists_were_behind_it It looks like there are groups of people who are trying to say that Islamists are certainly behind the Cinema Rex fire. Is this really true? In Satrapi's book she says that "everyone knew" the Shah did it, and it was a book published in the 2000s. I am skepticalo of the claims of the editors on the talk page WhisperToMe (talk) 06:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

TV show

Does anyone know about the TV show fa:مسابقه تلاش? Would anyone mind writing an article in English about it? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The producer of the TV show is an established user of Persian Wikipedia. You can find him here. Furthermore, the Persian article does not have any important information or content, but just the credits. AMERICOPHILE 08:03, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Mostafa Kavakebian

The English is kind of off in Mostafa Kavakebian. Would anyone mind helping out with it? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 06:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

New source

• Vakili-Zad, Cyrus. "Conflict among the Ruling Revolutionary Elite in Iran." Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 30, No. 3 (Jul., 1994), pp. 618-631.

This talks about how pre-Revolution and post-Revolution governments had different makeups, prior occupations, and points of view WhisperToMe (talk) 08:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Persian fonts

I started an article on the Sardasht Dam and this PDF appears to have some valuable information but I cannot use Google Translate because my computer doesn't have the embedded fonts. Does anyone have fonts or the ability to translate the document? I don't pull all the information from a Google Translation but easy to decipher specifications and dates that are useful to readers. Thanks.--NortyNort (Holla) 23:10, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Help at WP:DRV

Hi all. It would be helpful to get an evaluation of the Farsi sources and idea of the general importance of topic at [3]. Thanks! Hobit (talk) 15:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Azerbaijani people

I have nominated Azerbaijani people for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. DrKiernan (talk) 17:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

majleses articles

There are articles for the majles elections (e.g. Iranian legislative election, 2000) but not for the majleses that those elections elected (for the 2000 election for example that would have been the "Sixth Majles of Iran". Why nothing about what happened, what bills were passed during the four years that followed?). --204.169.161.1 (talk) 21:59, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Tower Tomb Sayyed Se Ton

Does someone familar with these type of Sufi shrines in Iran be willing to help us out at Tower Tomb Sayyed Se Ton and WP:Articles for deletion/Tower Tomb Sayyed Se Ton. I had to nominate the current version of the article for deletion as the (now blocked) author has a bad history of creating copyvio articles (so policy dictates that the current version is presumed to be a copyright violation due to that author's history), and the current version is virtually unreadable. Although I have nominated the article for deletion, I agree with other editors that this article could be saved it was re-written properly. Are there any volunteers willing to take that on? Thanks. Singularity42 (talk) 01:40, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Subcategories "Type of garden"

I have posted a question on this subject on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horticulture and Gardening. Your opinions are welcome. Wiki-uk (talk) 18:14, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

reliable source/notability help request

There is an article Bahador Kharazmi which uses only persian sources. The sites themselves of many of the sources are reliable (bbc, etc), but since I cant read persian, it is not possible for me to tell if these are just blogs, in passing references, PR announcements, etc. We have had a lot of trouble with the editor's of this page, doing a lot of sockpuppetry, and interfering in maintenance/deletions on other articles, and we are fairly sure the primary editor is the subject himself. Prettymuch I want to delete the page - but if the sources good, then it can probably stick around. especially as the content of the page itself is nothing notable. Subject claims one song charted, which is unreferenced. So in any case, if somone could review the sources and perhaps comment on the article talk page that would be great. (Also if any of the sources back up the song charting, that would be excellent too). Gaijin42 (talk) 22:21, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

New article

Persian onager. Stub with one source. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 18:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Featured picture candidate

The ceiling of the 400 year old Sheikh-Lotf-Allah mosque in Isfahan, Iran

This picture has been nominated as a featured picture, please voice your opinion if this picture meets Featured picture criteria for the category "Featured pictures/Places/Interiors". Discuss on the page at here. All editors are welcome to vote. Penyulap ☏ 04:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Question about Ata Airlines head office

About Ata Airlines, I took a look at the English page at http://www.ataair.ir/english/saleview.aspx - It says that the "Centerl Office", the "Ataairl Line Department," is in Ekpatan, Tehran, while there is the "Tabriz Centeral office" is in Tabriz. Does this means that Ata Airlines has its head office in Tehran? Does the Persian page at http://www.ataair.ir/saleview.aspx also say that the head office is in Tehran, with a secondary office in Tabriz?

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Persian language help

I was wondering if a Farsi speaker had a moment to add the Farsi spelling of Hamid Ghassemi-Shall and Kouhyar Goudarzi to their respective articles, to aid with future interwiki-ing. (Additional input on those articles would be welcome, too, of course.) Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 18:25, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Perth requested-move notification

A requested move survey was started at Talk:Perth_(disambiguation)#Requested_move, which proposes to move:

• Perth → Perth, Western Australia
• Perth, Scotland → Perth, Perthshire
• Perth (disambiguation) → Perth

Background: There was a previous requested-move survey which ran from late May to mid June. There was a great deal of controversy surrounding the closure and subsequent events, which involved a number of reverts and re-reverts which are the subject of an ongoing arbitration case. There was a move review process, which was closed with a finding that the original requested-move closure was endorsed; however, the move review process is relatively new and untried. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 03:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Can sb please fix Wikipedia:Wikipedia in languages of Iran ? --sicaspi (talk) 20:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

A persian communist environment in Oslo

What organization is this about?

"The first environment with ties to the Middle East, that the man has been linked to, was a Persian communist environment in Oslo, that was translating leftist literature from persian to Norwegian"

["Det første miljøet med tilknytning til Midtøsten som mannen blir knyttet til, var et persisk kommunistmiljø i Oslo som oversatte venstreradikale tekster fra persisk til norsk."]

Dagbladet "Converted for reasons of love" [- Konverterte for kjærligheten] 2012-07-06 page 7

It is about the last person named on this [4] list. --Vistamesa (talk) 19:02, 7 July 2012 (UTC)