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WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter - February 2013

The WikiProject Good articles Newsletter
Volume IV, No. 2 – February 2013

For past newsletters click here

In This Issue


Good Article Nominations Request For Comment

A 'Request For Comment' for Good Article Nominations is currently being held. We are asking that you please take five to ten minutes to review all seven proposals that will affect Good Article Nominations if approved. Full details of each proposal can be found here. Please comment on each proposal (or as many as you can) here.

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Polonium GAN

Could you give me another week? I will not have much time to edit in the next few dayds. Double sharp (talk) 11:43, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course. Thanks for letting me know.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 17:56, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I posted on the GAN page. Double sharp (talk) 14:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 22 April 2013

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)


ICHTHUS

May 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 363 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Pleonic, MJWilliams1998, Iloilo Wanderer, Jkadavoor, Sir Ian and McBenjamin. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor

This month we hear the news that the Bible is to be made into a film after outstanding success of a biblical miniseries on the History Channel, and we have seen the release of Iraqi Pastor Ali Hamzah from his confinement in Iraq.

After last month's spotlight on the Jesus work group, the flagship article, Jesus, was nominated for Good Article status after much work from FutureTrillionaire and History2007, and provisionally passed by the reviewer, although they have requested a second opinion. Our many thanks for the hard work that has gone into restoring this article to a quality piece of work.

This month the second largest denomination of Christianity, the Eastern Orthodox Church, celebrates Easter and the death and resurrection of the Son of God Jesus Christ.

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By Gilderien


Church of the month

Wells Cathedral was this month promoted to GA status. Rodw has appealed for any help project members can give to improve this article for a FA nomination.


Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. By John Carter


Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Featured report; Madonna in the Church, by Ceoil, Truthkeeper88, and Johnbod was promoted to Featured Article status. Crucifixion and Last Judgement was promoted to featured picture status, after nomination by Crisco 1492.

Wells Cathedral, by Rodw, Robert of Ghent, by User:Ealdgyth, Christianity in Medieval Scotland, by Sabrebd, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also by Sabrebd were promoted to GA status.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included Lectionary 311, by Leszek Jańczuk; Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn, by Gerda Arendt; Whalsay Parish Church, by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Dr. Blofeld; Interpretatio Christiana, by Altenmann; First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City, by Orlady; Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells, by The C of E; First Church in Albany (Reformed), by Daniel Case; Pope Anastasius II, by AbstractIllusions; Iglesia de Nuestra Señora de la Palma, by Dr. Blofeld, Ipigott, Rosiestep; Colan Church, by Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Ipigott; Notre Dame Cathedral, Papeete, Bloom6132, Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota), by Elkman; St. Joseph Catholic Church (San Antonio, Texas), by Gilliam; Doubting Thomas, by Johnbod; Robert of Ghent, by Ealdgyth; and Holy Trinity Church, Holdgate, by Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

This depiction of the Crucifixion and Last Judgement was painted by Dutch artist Jan van Eyck and promoted to Featured Picture this month.

Spotlight

SPOTLIGHT

This month, we turn our attention to the Encyclopedic articles sub-group, which aims to provide "a collection point for lists of articles contained in other reference sources relating to Christianity, which could serve as a basis for developing our own content". Created by John Carter, it is primarily a list of links, red or otherwise, for subjects which have an article in the reference works listed therein. This serves as a very useful list if any project members are "stuck for what to do" and there remains lots of potential for articles developed from this list.

By Gilderien


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Newsletter

Thanks, but I do not read newsletters. I have actually completed much of my content work on various topics (as on my user page) and now just watch pages most of the time. But there are still some new items, e.g. as of the past few days... Thanks. History2007 (talk) 18:06, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Newsletter (Number 2)

Hey, Thanks for the invite! I would love to receive the full newsletter in the future! I'm a relatively new Wikipedian, and I'd love to see what's going on in the Christianity project! Sir Ian (talk) 18:41, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I added you to the subscription list, and you have received this month's on your talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. It is OK to add it to my talk page.--Nvvchar. 08:34, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA-DYKRFC

Thanks for the invite to have a look at this, but the most pressing unanswered question is still not addressed: why DYK? There are five content areas on the Main Page (six if you include the newly-added Today's Article For Improvement). So why DYK? Prioryman (talk) 21:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if GAs are to be allowed into any section, it makes the most sense to allow it into DYK - the "hook" format would allow an easy and painless way of getting Good Articles onto the main page, and our review process allows additional oversight onto what goes on to the main page. I cannot see a feasible way of adding GAs to any other section currently on the main page, and adding another section would firstly unbalance the page and secondly also be out of sight of the typical monitor screen, as well as probably not being sustainable without having only a small section and repeating items that had already been a DYK or ITN. Furthermore, whilst there have been calls for a section to be replaced to allow a GA section, I cannot really see any section being removed (the inertia with editors involved being the main stumbling block) except for possibly DYK, which obviously neither of us want. The idea that sections could be alternated is an intriging one, although with the FA promotion rate ticking along at more than one a day I cannot imagine the TFA section would agree to it. Likewise, OTD and ITN are topical and so having an alternating section with them would probably prove incredibly unpopular. Furthermore, although this was not the original intention of my proposal, this would probably allay the concerns of the group which seems to want to do away with DYK altogether, as there seems to be general consensus that the "quality" of the average GA, however one might define it, is greater than the quality of the average DYK. Even if this proposal did not convince them of the value of the DYK project having the valuable real-estate, it would, through the involvement of two projects, however tangentially, in the creation of the articles in DYK hooks, make it a lot harder to get rid of DYK as it would also mean that GA writers would be giving up their chance to showcase their work on the main page. I hope this answers your questions.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 22:09, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Focus on...

I had not paid much attention to Newsletters, but after your message I thought it may be a good idea to use it to inform the people in the project about articles and topics that have reached reasonable quality standards and they may not be aware of it. I will prepare a set of "Focus on..." items that can run in the next 12 months.

Given that you referred to the Jesus page, if you take a look at the talk page (and archives) there, the issue of the historicity of Jesus has been of interest and after a long year of work I have recently finished the clean up of all of them. So the 4 of them can run as "Focus on: The Historical Jesus". Then there are a set of articles on Christ. These are in pretty good shape, but as they say many people who walk into Churches, are so busy with things that they forget Christ. So that would be a good topic. There are also a set of nice articles on The life of Jesus and Jesus in Art. So the way the "Focus on section can look is: "

That makes 24 items that can run from May 2013 to May 2015 and will give the project members an overview of "Jesus related" issues, and reminds them of the center of Christianity. I say that because I see so much discussion on obscure issues about peripheral items, so I think "bringing Jesus back" to the center of the newsletter would be a good idea. I will make a sub-directory in my user space and get these together if you want to use them in the next 24 months. It will take me a week or so to finish them all. History2007 (talk) 13:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • This sounds like an excellent idea - if you could do this I would be delighted to add a section, perhaps in the place of the Spotlight, which seems to fulfil part of the same function, and seems to be just the thing that Ichthus should focus on ... Many thanks, I look forward to this with some anticipation.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 17:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I will get it together, and we can start from the June 2013 issue, because I just noticed the one above is for May. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 18:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am close to finishing it, and ended up with 15 months worth of Focus items in 3 groups, and a book review to go with it. Should be done in less than a day. Now, where is the Ichthys/Ichthus homepage? Are the old copies kept somewhere? Seems strange not to have a page for it and nowhere to keep the old copies. There is so much old talk in Wikipedia getting archived, might as well have a sub-page for it in the Christianity project with the old issues archived. And why did they call it Ichthus rather than Ichthys I wonder... History2007 (talk) 19:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
About the name, you'lld have to ask John Carter about that. The Ichthus is composed issue-by-issue in subpages of Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach, if you wish to put the focus somewhere it might be convenient to continue that convention. The newsletter does not have a homepage per se, but submissions are handled through the talk page of the page I linked.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No worries about the name, it is there now. I guess John just selected that. And I did find the home page, but the whole thing seems less than organized. I think it should take all of 10 minutes to make its own home page, with a clear set of links to the archives, and a nice little logo on the main Christianity page. That way people will pay attention. And it seems that many project members are not subscribing. I did a spot check and many subscribers are either like some Chicago registered voters or like this. Anyway, I have the material here, and I wrote your intro for it if you feel like using it. The sections with "... Month" are complete. I would like to just hand the page to you if you make a sub-directory for it somewhere in your user space and then you can use it in the next 15 months. It will have to be done that way because this was a one time effort after I saw how upbeat Sir Ian was about getting it. But I will not be that active on Wikipedia after a month or two so I will have to leave it in the hands of you guys who may not remember, and certainly have never used one of these. Anyway, I will finish it soon. In the meantime perhaps you can talk to John and get it an icon on the project page, a nice homepage and archives and then do what John 10:14 suggests and get to know the project members who do not receive it (perhaps because they think it is boring) and clean up the dead people on the mailing list - I can help you with that. Then when the new format comes out in June (and a new name may be a reason to tell people about it) can try to talk the project members to getting a free trial subscription at no charge... I will try to think of some promo method and we will see what happens. History2007 (talk) 19:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, given that the focus on and Jesus' picture is used, let us put him on the top right, in the first class compartment, not towards the end. That is the least we can do. Anyway, I found the June 2013 subpage and added there. I will also touch up the others, as you suggested now that I know where they are. It is easier that way. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 20:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I moved the page to a sub-page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach. You have done a lot of work on this, and I will not forget. If you like I will substitute the letter from the editor this month for your piece, it looks very good and I'm sure your series will push the newsletter onwards and upwards. My priority this month for Ichthus will be the re-vamp of the page and cleaning up the subscription list.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so take a look at the June issue now. I added a quill to the editor item to give it life, and a bookshelf to keep it alive. I will also look through the subscription list and remove the dead people, etc.
I made a small Icthus icon just by capturing the newsletter header as a JPG and that can fit on the project page, or whenever you leave people messages. In marketing logos go a long way in establishing a brand; and this was a nice logo from the start.
I will also give you a few promo ideas before I stop. E.g. there is no restriction on putting an announcement at the beginning of each month on the noticeboard with a link to the current issue. The key is to make the newsletter less boring and you can probably talk a few users to do an Op-ed piece every 6 months, say Mike Sorensen who has been around for long and is very knowledgeable in general, etc. That will generate some interest. I have not seen anyone take part in these contests really, so that may go on the back burner and the six users who write every six months may fill that gap, etc. And there can be a "meet and greet" section every month after a few months, where a project member/editor just introduces themselves, say what they hope to do in the next 6 months, and what they would like to see happen in the project, and Wikipedia, etc. That will add a human element to it, instead of list of GA articles last month.
To get new members, it will be easy to use a little bit of humor and offer them a 3 month "money back guarantee" if they don't like it, or something funny like that... It usually works. History2007 (talk) 00:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, I have now moved out the completed sections from the Outreach/i24 page to the relevant sub-directories. But I have to stop for a few days because if you look on the Historicity of Jesus talk page I had promised to build a FAQ page for that. So I will do a couple of FAQ pages that really need to be built before I go away, then come back and touch up the rest of these. Should not take long and certainly by May 15 they will all be cleaned up. I think we should perhaps ask Sir Ian if he wants to be the first "meet and greet" person. I think the "membership statistics" section every month is the most boring thing ever, so adding a personal element to the newsletter instead of a NIST-type report that will make things more interesting. Also to make things interesting, and as filler when there is less content in a month, you can have your own "Ichthus-DYK". So at the end of Outreach/i24 page I added a few DYK items. Pretty easy to find them in fact and many people may not know about them. But it does not need to be a contest, and you can come up with more, of course, and just use them as appropriate whenever you are running short on content. History2007 (talk) 02:47, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok that seems a good idea just to remind me which month they are for and order, etc. I really appreciate the help you have being giving me with the Ichthus.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 17:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. And no worries at all, I enjoyed doing it once it started and I think it is really important for the newsletter (any newsletter in fact) to be interesting to keep the project members engaged. Anyway, as it happens, there are 15 of these "did you know" items now and I had not even thought of where to place them yet. Now that you think it is a good idea, I will think of that and move them out to the 15 months as appropriate. Eventually that "i24 page" will be empty, and signals the completion of the activity. History2007 (talk) 18:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 29 April 2013

Hi

Thanks for the help. I will be glad to receive it. I am in a low computer with low conection, so I will talk to you tomorrow. Best wishes and thank you-- Miss Bono (zootalk) 22:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain what you offered me the other day?? I am studying for college exams and that's the reason I didin't reply earlier. Please, rely at my talk page. What's what you need to deliver the Newsletter?;) Thanks!  Miss Bono (zootalk) 12:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I will work on it Miss Bono (zootalk) 13:06, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and have some pierogi!

Pierogi Award
Thanks for your support of my RfA. It didn't succeed this time, but that's no reason not to have some nice pierogi. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:24, 3 May 2013 (UTC)|}[reply]

Ichthus

Hi, I have now finished everything. I moved the i24 page here so you can use it as a temp area later.

There are 15 newsletter issue directries now, June 2013 - August 2014 and they each have a "Focus on..." section, a book review and a DYK section. I have checked these, and used the Template:clear instead of the blank spaces used before to make sure they will fit right.

In the June issue the Ichthus at the end of the page links here which is now just an empty page and you can just build it with content. If you don't get to do the page, you just need to disable that link.

By May 15-18 or so we should talk about some promo message somewhere to get attention from project members etc. The only time to do it is when the new format is announced, else there is no reason for the promo message. So let us talk about that in the next 10 days. I think you could just bot-leave a message for all project members who do not get it to tell them of the new format and suggest that they read it.

I will still be around part of June, but not after that. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 16:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thank you very much. I shall have a think about possible promo ideas.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 16:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, fine. The promo needs to be straightforward, but should also promote the striking black and gold logo. That color combination was a good decision, whoever made it - may be John or Lionel... There is a lot to be gained by promoting logos in general, and in this case the logo has a great symbol on it. And by the way, the Jesus page just passed the GA. I will ask someone to see if they can help me with a GA on the Christ page too. Then both pages will be ok. History2007 (talk) 16:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Articles Elizabeth Stratford

Regarding the article Elizabeth Stratford she is referenced in Nicholas M Plumley's book The Organ of Arundel Cathedral and has been written about in the West Sussex Gazette, Littlehampton Gazette, Church Times (national press) and Telegraph and Argus. These may not be able to be found online. The BBC Songs of Praise programme focusing on the town of Arundel featured her (following research) and her appointment at Arundel and she is clearly documentable since she was the first woman to hold the senior music post in an English Cathedral, preceding Katherine Dienes and Sarah Baldock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cliel7 (talk • contribs) 14:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You appear to be using multiple accounts. Please stick to one. If you are not, ignore this notice. The telegraph is online, and I have had a look, and cannot find any sources, as I mentioned in the AfD. If you can find such sources, please add them to the article. In addition, I had a browse through the Church Times archive, and cannot find any mention of her, this was also the case for the West Sussex Gazette. I also couldn't find any mention in Highbeam Research apart from in a list as a post-graduate student.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 15:02, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re article for deletion Elizabeth Stratford there are references from bbc1, discography etc and she was first woman in senior music post in UK-see Choir and Organ magazine, church times, numerous newspaper articles. Why the delete? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cliel7 (talk •contribs) 23:45, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have had a look for those sources and cannot find them. On Wikipedia, we have a series of standards (WP:N, WP:GNG etc.) to determine whether we should have an article, and although I have tried, I cannot find evidence that the subject of the article meet s those standards.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 23:51, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can scan them!!!! I'm telling you she has been written about in the press. Not the telegraph-Telegraph and Argus I.e. local Bradford newspaper. Also Sussex Life magazine. It's hardly her fault if they aren't kept digitally is it?the BBC researched and interviewed her in a Songs of Praise programme which I believed aired in January 2011. The clip of her directing the Cathedral choir is on YouTube. Search drop drop slow tears Arundel Cathedral Choir. How can I scan the articles and get them online? She was the first to gain a senior music role just think she should have the credit for it that's all. Katherine Dienes and Sarah Baldock both have Wiki entries. Stratford did the groundwork! She came first. Cliel7 (talk) 01:15, 8 May 2013 (UTC) http://www.wdao.hampshire.org.uk/West_Sussex_Trip is another Cliel7 (talk) 01:18, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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WikiCup 2013 April newsletter

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How does Article Elizabeth Stratford fail on notability and bio? She has been discussed in articles by local and national press, on bbc1 television programmes and in a book published by Positif Press. All of these have been written independently. She is the first woman to hold the senior cathedral music post in this country yet Katherine Dienes and Sarah Baldock who have similar careers have not had their pages deleted or failed criteria under notability or biography yet Stratford came first. Cliel7 (talk) 01:03, 8 May 2013 (UTC)Salicus[reply]

DYK for Mahee Castle

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Wildlife of Mongolia

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Caracas Cathedral

Please see the text I have added on the Bulls of the Holy Crusade. I am not very conversant with the this festival. You may change it as necessary. The article still needs another 3000 ch to make it 5x. You may also like to check the present size of the article. Please see if you can add. Cheers--Nvvchar. 13:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have concert now but I'll see what I can do when I get back.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 14:52, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please see the DYK review. You probably can add some more text from the vast literature on churches.--Nvvchar. 13:55, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I added some on the bulls which seems (?) specific to this cathedral.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 14:06, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

May 2013

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Thanks man

Thank you for the personal comment. The article is a spin-out from a section in a larger article, which is being trimmed (and then this one can be expanded). Not really crazy about spin outs, but had to do it because of length and then some decent content. I will make the attribution clear with a comment in child article (is clear on the parent article). Thanks again, for the personal engagement.TCO (talk) 12:40, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Monkeys on the Roof

why you trying to hide? too scared to admit you were wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mon6891 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I replied on your talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 00:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PSR J0348+0432

Done. I've added more references.Earthandmoon (talk) 06:47, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your star. :) Earthandmoon (talk) 02:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ichthus June 2013

Hi, the June 2013 issue is ready to go now. I checked the DYKs and there were a few, so I added them. There were no new project members, so no point in telling people about that. I looked up the calendar from last year and so it is all done.

It would be great of we could put it out at the end of the week, because I may not be here next week, in case there are questions on the articles liked to there, etc.

I have started a simple and straightforward promo for it that could go to the Wikiproject Christianity list, so they are aware of the fact that you are editing it now, there is a new format, etc.

Hello, I am Gilderien the current editor of Ichthus, the Christianity project newsletter. From June 2013 we are starting a new "in focus" section that tells our readers about an interesting and important groups of articles. The first set is about Jesus, of course. We have also started a new book review section and our own "did you know" section. In the near future I hope to start a section where a user briefly discusses their interests. Please take a look at the June 2013 issue. If you are not a current subscriber, please just add your name to the list here to receive it. Subscription is free, and the content can be interesting. Gilderien

Let us talk about in the net few days and if you think there are no issues, you can just use the bot to tell the Wikiproject crowd about it, and at the same time separaely deliver it to the current subscribers. Then my involvement will be over after that. Cheers History2007 (talk) 12:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thank you very much. I cannot see any issues with the issue, but I'll update it before it is published. Normally the June issue would be published some time around the end of May, as the previous issue covers up until May 31, but would you rather it was brought forward 2 weeks?--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 13:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Christianity newsletter: New format, new focus

Hello,

I notice that you aren't currently subscribed to Ichthus, the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. With a new format, we would be delighted to offer you a trial three-month, money-back guarantee, subscription to our newsletter. If you are interested then please add your name to this list, and you will receive your first issue shortly. From June 2013 we are starting a new "in focus" section that tells our readers about an interesting and important groups of articles. The first set is about Jesus, of course. We have also started a new book review section and our own "did you know" section. In the near future I hope to start a section where a user briefly discusses their interests.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds

Your promo looks much better. I would suggest sending out he invitations on May 17, then the actual item on May 30 or so, and they get it on their talk page that way. And the old issue can be linked in the archives anyway. I would really appreciate that, because I will not be here after next week. Which means that it needs to be no one's brainchild. I can not take credit for it, I hope you understand. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 13:07, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'll edit it before I send it out, I appreciate your modesty, but are you sure you don't want me to mention you? You have done a lot of work for the newsletter, much more than I or the previous editors have done.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 13:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am sure, and given that I will be going away soon, it will not be encouraging to people. But if you can send it out on Friday as a favor to me, will be appreciated, so I can look at it and respond to things on article talk pages if needed. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 14:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm ok that shouldn't be a problem.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 14:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. If you want more responses, leave a little more in the promo, e.g. "take a look at our new format", etc. and that will generate some curiosity, so they will click on it. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 16:08, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I just noticed there was no link in the promo, so they will not know what it looks like. I added the link to June, without having to change the May, so May will be up, and June can be previewed. How is that? History2007 (talk) 18:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, by the end of the week the June issue will essentially be finished with only promoted content left to add.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great. I really appreciate your help and flexibility in this. And I do wish you the best with the newsletter. My time is up here after 75k edits over 6 years, so I really wanted to do something nice for the project before I left for good next week. Thanks again. History2007 (talk) 19:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. May I ask why you are leaving?--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have finished most of my content work. As you saw the Jesus article got the GA mark now, and is a long way from the disaster that it was back in Feb 2011 when I started the clean it up. Now there are a few energetic bright eyed editors who are looking after it. Look at Josephus on Jesus and Tacitus on Christ etc. and the talk pages, you will see the battles that took place, the editors that were indeffed, then came back as puppets, etc. but those articles are in good shape now. All I will be doing now will be arguing as I did on ANI last week. Just look at my edit history in the past 4 days and you will see the ANI games. So it will be more of that and no major new content anyway. And there is a minor inconvenience called "life". So a year ago in June I gave myself a year to finish, said good bye to a number of people, and now time is up. But as I said, unlike myself I am sure you have never used one of these, so it is people like you who need to keep going now. And I do wish you the best. History2007 (talk) 19:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And by the way, I am glad you left me the message about the newsletter, for I had never paid it any attention. But I hope in the next year it will remind people of the "central figure of Christianity" for I have for long been bothered that the entire project had ignored him and was focusing on denominational differences, among other trivia. So a message left here or there can hopefully get results. And if you manage to keep an eye on the pages Jesus, Christ, etc. that will be great for an occasional opinion here and there will also go a very long way, now that so few people watch pages. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 20:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Caracas Cathedral

Check the char again. I removed some excessive text on the bull custom, but might have to restore a bit if it's too short now.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld

Emailed.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:36, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Replied.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 17:18, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Selworthy Beacon

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:35, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Ear Mountain

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Fishing in Vanuatu

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:40, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 13 May 2013

DYK for Dorob National Park

Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA DYKs

When you call it "Did you know?" the basic criteria for inclusion of any hook in it should be that people should really not know about it. Although that's not really possible, but that's how it should be. I see the rule of new/5x as a way to check that this does happen. When the article is new, Wikipedia obviously didn't have that hook anywhere and that's what made it a DYK. For 5x also its quite possible. However one must actually check if the hook statement was already present in the article before expansion or not. Anyways.... moving to your proposal of GAs being featured in DYK, i see that this criteria would be least possible to meet. A GA usually has stayed for long on WP, has gone through various eyes and all info in it is known to many people. Now there is no way one can find if the hook is really DYK or not. But one possible way is to ask for multiple opinions. That way, something thats really interesting will be featured. Of course there are lotsa problems here. If we open up for vote, should we simply count them? Then there will be lobbying. Should we weigh in discussions? Then there will be too much of discussion over a simple issue. Who should vote? Should it be open for all? Or should a committee be formed like directors of other featured projects? Many things... What say you? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:06, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, personally, I think it would be more interesting if people saw a little known fact on a well-known topic than a fact on a topic nobody has ever heard of. The incentive there will thus be that the nominator will get more page views, and thus more of a "reward", if they pick a truly DYK fact. GAs being included would allow more of this, since it is really hard to get a 5xs expansion on a well-known topic as WP already covers them quite well, but getting a GA would certainly be possible, and this would also encourage more work on our core topics, which has to be good for the encyclopaedia and for our readers. I don't think any sort of directors or whatever would be necessary; we seem to get along fine just having nominators and reviewers suggesting hooks as it is on DYK.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 10:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
When a new article is created for DYK's purpose, the article is mostly created just because something very interesting is available. In case of GAs, the articles will have been here after passing general notability for quite long. So in such articles, bland DYKs like "X won 5 Grammies and 2 Oscars" would also come up. Being GA and being a well known subject to many, the award count isn't really an interesting fact. But as everything checks out, the hook would be promoted.
In ideal situation it would not have been a problem if reviewers were rejecting hooks based on it's lack of hookyness. But i hardly see that happening. From past few days i have been strolling at WP:TDYK and rejecting many such mediocre hooks. The chances of getting mediocre hooks would increase when well versed subjects would keep coming through GA criteria. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:07, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't very often seen articles rejected for lack of "hookyness", but when I'm reviewing an article and I see something more interesting, I will propose that it be used as an alternate hook, and I know that other reviewers do the same. Again, a well-written GA will have lots more material to garner an interesting fact, and if a hook is bland then it will get put to the bottom of DYK and no-one will look at it, something no article writer would want. There has been much complaint about the standards of hooks already coming through DYK, and this would have to improve it. Furthermore, the average quality of an article clicked through would be better, and this would surely be more interesting to the reader.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 11:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Of course! I don't object GAs being featured in DYKs. I am just afraid that most readers will have known the fact that we state under "Did you know". §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Thanks for your tireless contributions to Wikipedia. Keep up the great work and I looking forward to awarding you the 50 DYK medal in the near future! -Zanhe (talk) 08:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

June 2013

I took another look and fixed a typo, but it looks ok now. I added a church to the July issue and will look at the next few months for typos etc. within the next 2-3 days. So once you send out the promo/announcement tomorrow, just let me know below here. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 12:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Today, a user who edits articles in the project said never heard of it before. So it has had stealth marketing, I guess. So I updated the Christianity project page and added a sentence about it, the icon, etc. History2007 (talk) 15:39, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that they all went out. Thanks for all your help. And best wishes for your work on the newsletter. I think you will do great. History2007 (talk) 21:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, it's been a pleasure working with you.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:50, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. By the way, before signing off, I wondered if you have the next 14 month pages watch listed in case some IP makes changes that don't get noticed. Anyway, take care. History2007 (talk) 18:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't, but I do now. Thanks for reminding me.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:59, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mining in North Korea

The DYK project (nominate) 15:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

St Kilda field mouse

St Kilda field mouse participation award
Gilderien - I think this was the first mouse article I've edited on wikipedia, and it was a pleasure to work on it with you and Nvvchar. Thanks for suggesting it at RBN. Rosiestep (talk) 17:15, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, it was a pleasure. There's a first time for everything :) --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 17:27, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Technical 13 (talk) 23:07, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mount Elbert

Harrias talk 00:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Caracas Cathedral

The DYK project (nominate) 09:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Caldey Abbey

The DYK project (nominate) 09:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Thank you so much for the info! Hulkster1 (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, if you need help just ping me on my talk page.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 20:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Hey me again, thanks for help. But, still having trouble. sorry, i'm new. Search up Christinan Tessier and scroll down and look at the right. What happened? Hulkster1 (talk) 20:03, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're talking about the red link? This has happened because there is no file by that name on Wikipedia. Also, most users will not mind if you just ask them a question, you shouldn't award a barnstar for every answer, it was not quite the original intent of the barnstar system.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Table width

Hello! I noticed you helped shape the Manual of Style/Tables page, so I was wondering if you could perhaps help fix a related formatting issue on the HIV/AIDS in Africa page? There are several tables there on the disease's prevalence rate in various countries that have been needlessly split. This has duplicated the country listings, and more importantly, distracted attention away from the actual occurrence percentages. A user there asserts that this seperation was necessary because one unified table per region would be too wide for smaller screens. That, however, has not been my experience when I tested the framing on other monitors. The style/width wikitable coding option seems to be one solution, but I need more experienced advice on this. If possible, I would like the tables to look like they do here and to be cross-browser and monitor compliant. Kind regards -- Soupforone (talk) 21:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I merged a couple of the tables in a way which doesn't appear to be malformed and conforms to the relevant guidelines. However, I have to go in a few minutes so I'll get on to it tomorrow.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Soupforone (talk) 21:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
YesY Done --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 10:38, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ichthys

From your message on my talkpage, I take it you're attempting to revive the Christianity Project Newsletter. (I thought I was subscribed, by the way, with no new issues coming out.) I was involved in it during its first "run" (if so few issues can be called that) when it was edited and written mainly by by Lionelt (of WikiProject Military History and WP Conservatism) and the now-absent (insofar as I can tell) Anupam. (Edit: involved in the period of intractable wars and much banning and arbitration requests over a vast swath of Christianity-related articles described by History2007 above.) If you need any help in attempting its resurrection, or a staff writer (I am a Catholic/Orthodox [i.e. Eastern Catholic] theologian-monk and Church historian by "trade", and an amateur Biblical scholar), I am willing to lend assistance, although I no longer sustain my 2000-edit-per-month level of contribution. St John Chrysostom Δόξατω Θεώ 23:17, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind offer. Actually, John Carter did run it for about a year, but I took over after his semi-retirement, and it was History2007's idea for the "relaunch". I would be very grateful if you were to write, say, an op-ed piece on a topical item or anything, really; if you wish to do so at any point, drop me a note and I would be happy to put it in the next issue.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 10:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Wiki DYK

Well I brought the the article; Great northern tilefish into DYK in the articles created in May 20th section, I think the reviewers are not noticing it, but when you are free please do check it out, and see it it's good. Thanks! JackFrost2121(Frostbitten?/ My Work) 01:18, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They had probably not reviewed it as there is somewhat of a backlog at DYK at the moment, but I reviewed it anyway. Everything seems fine apart from a 41 word section which is identical to one of the sources.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 10:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Murray Hill, Christmas Island

Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File permission problem with File:Ana's Cross.jpg

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DYK for St Kilda field mouse

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:56, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding The Pandoras page, I am in direct contact with almost every living member of the band and every single one of those changes was made thanks to their collective memories. You are 100% in error.

We are all in the process of perfecting the page and your "contribution" is nothing more than a disruption.

The Pandoras Page

Regarding The Pandoras page, I am in direct contact with almost every living member of the band and every single one of those changes was made thanks to their collective memories. You are 100% in error.

We are all in the process of perfecting the page and your "contribution" is nothing more than a disruption.

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