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June 7

Help delete an image

The person in this image wishes to remove his photo from Wikipedia: File:Leif-Eric_Easley.jpeg Please help me out deleting this image. Thank you! Ewha ohsoo (talk) 01:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

It's done. For future reference, you could have edited the page and added to the top the template {{db-g7}}. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Johnetta Cole article

How do I make a suggestion about a Wiki page that is weak, poorly researched, underwritten?

Dr. Johnetta Cole: Johnnetta B. Cole

Dr. Cole has an extraordinary personal commitment to international work and was part of the VInceremos Brigade I believe, traveling to Cuba several times in order to establish solidarity just after the Cuban Missile Crisis. This is the information I was looking to confirm here in WIKIPEDIA.

Additionally, her teaching style was innovative, profound, challenging and dynamic. For example, often used the term "USA" pronounced "oohsa" to provoke students into recognising that the United States was but one of three nations composing the continent of North America and to underscore the complexity of cultural relativism. Dr. Cole's contributions are many. She is a lifelong activist and social visionary on the order of Cornell West and Maya Angelou. I think this article fails to identify her illustrious conviction, dedication and wisdom as they are not reflected in this article.

TraceElements (talk) 04:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

If you have access to reliable, independent written sources you can fix up the article yourself. --Jayron32 04:55, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Just take care to write in neutral language, hagiography is not acceptable. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:33, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

International Golf Federation

Hello,

I left a message yesterday about the International Golf Federation. The answer that I received is that "People who are very close to a subject often have a distorted view of it, which may cause them to inadvertently edit in ways that make the article either too flattering or too disparaging. People with a close connection to a subject are not absolutely prohibited from editing about that subject, but they need to be especially careful about ensuring their edits are verified by reliable sources and writing with as little bias as possible."

I would like to mention that I was not trying to make the article too flattering or too disparaging. I was only trying to correct wrong facts. For example, the International Golf Federation does not recognize Continental Federations, which is what the article is currently stating. I have verified my sources. This article is providing a bad image of the Federation.

Thanks for your help.

Aurélia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.164.155.52 (talk) 07:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Advice was given to you in response to your question yesterday; see above at #International Golf Federation page. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:39, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Alger Hiss and the Soviet files

I have now tried twice to answer a comment on the above subject, made after I had done no more than state a fact. On both occasions, you have told me that you could not publish this. The text was apparently wiped on both occasions. There was not even a provision for printing out my text. In other words, I will have to do it from scratch again. 1. Are you putting time restrictions on contributors? 2. Is this for your benefit, or for the users? 3. If you are timing people out, what is the point of it? 4. Why do you not allow people to take a copy of their text? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhosfawr (talk • contribs) 12:38, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can see, the only contribution you have made is an edit to the Algar Hiss talk page: [1]. It is still there. If you have made edits under another name, how are we supposed to know where they are? With very few exceptions (e.g. for libellous material, copyright violations etc) material is not deleted from article or talk page histories, so you should still be able to locate it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I have never heard of any time restrictions being applied to editors; indeed there is a saying "Wikipedia has no deadline". And everything you have contributed to Wikipedia is still here, either in the article or in the talk page where you put it, or in the "History" of the page where you put it (click on the History tab near the top right of the page), so there is no need for you to type it in again. The only exception would be if you have libelled a living person, or violated someone's copyright, or broken the law in some other way, as AndyTheGrump said; but I see nothing to suggest that that has happened. Maproom (talk) 13:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I think the problem you are having is edit conflicts, if someone else edits the page and saves it while you are editing it wont save for you. If you edit just the section you want to comment on and not the whole page that may help. Also if you use the preview button before you save then use the back button in your browser your text will be there and you can copy/paste it in again. Sarahj2107 (talk) 14:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Please don't tell people their text will still be there if the back button is used. That is dependent on the browser.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Error when trying to upload a new version of an image.

I am trying to upload a new version of File:Zukkoke Knight - Don De La Mancha.jpg, but I keep getting "Upload warning Could not create directory "mwstore://local-multiwrite/local-public/1/10".". Checking "Ignore any warnings" doesn't help. -- Brainy J (previously Atlantima) ~✿~ (talk) 14:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Hm, well, it's working now.-- Brainy J (previously Atlantima) ~✿~ (talk) 17:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Submission update

I submitted my first submission on April 15 (7 weeks ago). How can I get an update on whether it was accepted or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.84.141 (talk) 14:56, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

There were 188 submissions that day (see Category:AfC submissions by date/15 April 2013), and at certain times, it might have been filed under a different date. None are still pending without response, but without knowing which one you're referring to, your user name, or what other IP address you may have used, it isn't possible to give you a definitive answer, as your post here to the Help desk is the only one from that IP address. Dru of Id (talk) 16:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Rejected talk contribution

I put a short comment on the Alger Hiss talk page. Someone commented on it, and I gave a fairly long reply. This was not posted and I want to know why. It was the second time this has happened. I want to know why this was done, and why, when it happens, you do not offer the user the option of printing out the text. I will now have to write my comment the third time. Please tell me what has gone wrong and how to proceed. RhosfawrRhosfawr (talk) 16:42, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

If you are using a PC, holding down the alt key and pressing the left arrow will take you back to the cached version of what you typed. — The Potato Hose 16:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

You always have the option of penning your response on your PC first, and saving it locally on your hard drive. There's not enough information in your question (for me) to glean exactly how or why this happened. If your content was deleted by another editor, there may have been a specific reason for that. Or maybe you hit Preview instead of Submit? Maybe there was an edit conflict (two editors editing at once), which prevented your edit from being saved? I'm also confused by something. In this edit you wrote "On both occasions, you have told me that you could not publish this." Who told you that your comment could not be published, and how was that notice delivered to you? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

(ec x2)According to your contributions log you made only one post to Talk:Alger Hiss. Are you sure you clicked on the "Save page" button and not one of the others? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:01, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Text from an old encyclopedia

Dear Editors:

What is Wikipedia's policy about copying whole articles from a source whose copyright has expired? I realize that it is legal, but is it acceptable? I mention this because it seems that there are many web sites whose whole content is just copied from other web sites, and it seems pointless and annoying when one is searching and has to wade through these duplicates. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

If one does it, one is expected to say so clearly in the edit summary and in the references. However: any source old enough to have an expired copyright should also be examined for possibly outdated assertions, as well as for a lack of the now-requisite neutral point-of-view, (possibly) for prejudices and antipathies once tolerated but now offensive, and/or for archaic or obsolete terminology and wording. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica for a well-known example. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:14, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

You almost certainly would want to do some copy-editing/revisions; almost certainly only small parts of the article should be left intact. And almost certainly, if the article is at all lengthy, it's not going to be the normal format for Wikipedia articles. In short, if you do the normal editing that is expected (tone, use of last name only when referring to a person, after the first time, etc.), the problem of identical text should go away. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Reference

How to give references? I cant do it properly, please be simple. I want to write a new article, but cant give reference properly. The link is- Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/India_in_World_War_I

Can any one write this on behalf of me? I dont have enough time.

I have written the introduction a bit, I guess it needs expansion. There will be 4 total main sections(with exception of introduction): 1) Indian Position: Explaining stances of various Indian political parties, including Congress, their conditions. 2) Indian contribution- this will have 3 sub sections- British Indian army involvement, Economic help from India(describing how many food was sent to troops as ration etc) 3) Impact of war: Describing War impact on Indian civil life, food shortage and 1918 Epidemic, price rise. 4) Revolutionary activities mentioning Gadar Conspiracy and Hindu-German Conspiracy with mentioning of Komagata Maru incident, Rash Bihari Bose, Bagha Jatin and 1915 Singapore Indian mutiny. These are only my suggestions. Thank you.Ovsek (talk) 17:02, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

See WP:Referencing for beginners.--ukexpat (talk) 17:03, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you, is siting another Wikipedia article as reference ok?Ovsek (talk) 17:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

No, it is not. Wikipedia articles need to be based on reliable, outside sources. If you can obtain the sources the other article uses itself, AND read them yourself, you can use those sources to write material for the new article, however. --Jayron32 17:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

There seems to be considerable material in British Raj#First World War, Lucknow Pact: 1914–1918 that overlaps with what you want to cover in your article. You might consider improving that section of the existing article. Or you could tie the two together using the WP:SS approach. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:16, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Company name needs changed for legal reasons (John Crane Inc. should be John Crane Group)

Hello,

I'm the director of global corporate communications for John Crane Group, based out of Chicago Il. Our company is listed on wikipedia as John Crane Inc. This needs to be changed to "John Crane Group" due to legal implications. The John Crane Inc. name is a legal entity that does not represent our company and for legal reasons, needs to be changed. We're listed here:

John Crane Inc.

I have updated other corporate content for our company's wikipedia page, but I'm unable to change the main listing called John Crane Inc.

Please change our company listing to John Crane Group. I appreciate your assistance in this matter.

Feel free to contact me to verify the need for the correction, or I can have my general counsel speak with you too and explain.

Regards and thank you,

Alicia Antrim-Highlander Director, Corporate Communications John Crane Group — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliciasunday (talk • contribs) 17:19, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

 Not doneAccording to the company's own website, "John Crane Inc. is a part of Smiths Group plc.". --Orange Mike | Talk 17:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

R.T.COLE HIGH SCHOOL

I want to Know where the R.T.COLE HIGH SCHOOL WAS LOCATED AT. IN KANSASCITY MO.18:30, 7 June 2013 (UTC)65.28.109.41 (talk)

If you use the zoom on this map, it is the complex of buildings bottom left, on the corner of Tracy Avenue and East 19th Street. Please don't SHOUT. - Karenjc 19:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Blocked by Editor

I have had my posts deleted and the administrator did not seem to care. However, me account was blocked when I tried to re-post. This is I feel a double standard. I have relied to the editor, but being the coward he is has chosen not to respond to my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.37.100 (talk) 18:58, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Appealing a block. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:00, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Text too small

I called up something on wiki and the print of the text is too small. I looked at other stuff on my computer and none of it is small. As I use your stuff all the time this is a problem for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.219.160.188 (talk) 20:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

You may have accidentally changed zoom in your browser. In most browsers you can reset the zoom to 100% with Ctrl+0 or adjust it with Ctrl++ and Ctrl+-. Did that help? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Edits?

How can I tell who made an edit, what the edit was, and when the edit was made? I see that there is a "view history" page but I cannot tell who made what edit to the page. is that possible? thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.116.247.134 (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

See Help:Page history. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) Please take a look at Help:Page history, which answers each of your questions. Note also the tool WikiBlame which allows you to search for a snippet of text in a long page history to see which revision added it. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Federal voting rights in Puerto Rico

there is an error code on the page I edited, tried to remove the address of web sit, I tried to reference.... cant remove the error code text is correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardforbes2013 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I have reverted your edit. As to the content, the public domain material you copied and pasted from the government website was unsuitable in the form you added it and it should not have been placed at the top of the page, above the lead section. The error you saw was because you added a set of citation tags (<ref></ref>) without any content between them.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

wrong article name

change article name from Lana Nordin to Lana Nodin, sometime even the malaysian media cant put her right name on the newspaper K9x (talk) 22:33, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Put:

{{subst:RMassist|<!--old page name, without brackets-->|<!--requested name, without brackets-->|<!--reason for move-->}}

at the top of the page. CTF83! 23:27, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Or, Be Bold and move it yourself. You should be autoconfirmed by now. See WP:MOVE for instructions. RudolfRed (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Lana Nordin appears to be far more common in English. See WP:UE. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:16, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Best way to save barnstars?

Is there a way to save the make your own wikibarnstars?

I have made barnstars with Moissan's image as well as a handshake image. And they're slightly iconic.

TCO (talk) 23:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:BARN#Adding_a_barnstar CTF83! 23:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

June 8

Anthony DePalma

My name is Anthony DePalma, which is the byline I've used at The New York Times since 1978. There currently exists a Wikipage for Anthony DePalma which is causing a great deal of confusion. That page more legitimately should be labelled Dr. Anthony F. DePalma, a famous orthopedic surgeon and father of director Brian DePalma. I've considered using my middle initial , R., to differentiate my page from his (now deceased, but that would likely create more confusion in that I have never used my middle initial in my byline or on my books. In the body of the existing article, Dr. DePalma is always referred to as Anthony F. DePalma. It is only in the title that his name appears without the M.I. When I tried to set up a page for Anthony DePalma, I was rejected, and could only reach in with Anthony R. DePalma. I've now had a page prepared, and I am almost ready to submit it, but I would like to see if it is possible to clear this up first. My preference would be for Dr. DePalma's page to be labelled Dr. Anthony F. DePalma, which would release Anthony DePalma so that I could use it myself.

Thanks, ADP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Depalman (talk • contribs) 00:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

If an article is added for you, then whatever name it is under there can be a note added to the existing page that can point to yours. Before you submit your article for review, please read the guidance at WP:AUTO, creating a page for yourself is strongly discouraged. RudolfRed (talk) 00:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I second what RudolfRed was saying about not writing an autobiographical article. See also Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. I have, though, moved the page to Anthony F. DePalma (without the "Dr.") because that appears to be his common name, per reliable sources. We do not add credentials, honorifics or other embellishments to proper names in page title.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Since you've spent some time writing User:Depalman/Anthony R. DePalma, we're probably not going to dissuade you from continuing to work on it. So, some suggestions. First, improve the format of the footnotes (see WP:FOOT and WP:CITE, and/or go into edit mode at an article that has good footnotes, to see how those footnotes are formatted). Second, take out most, or - ideally - all of the detail that's unsupported by the sources you cite. For example, unless a news article has covered information about your children and grandchild, you certainly should omit their names. (If you keep all the detail, it looks like a vanity profile, something anyone could write for themselves: "In his senior year in high school grade, X's English teacher told him ... ") Third, keep in mind that ideally every sentence (or, at worst, every paragraph) would be supported by a footnote (source), and the majority of the sources are not things like your biography or profile at places where you provided information and the organization posted it. (Such profiles are often considered self-published information - not what Wikipedia calls a reliable source.) And fourth, it really would be good to ask another (much more experienced editor) to review the article and move it from your userspace to where regular articles are, rather than your doing it yourself. Otherwise, you may be surprised at how negative a reaction the article may get. (Wikipedia administrators delete about a thousand articles each day.)

As for naming, Wikipedia's practice is to add a descriptor to a subject name when there is possible confusion, such as "(film)" when a book and a film have the same title. For articles about people, we don't expect readers to know middle initials (and we don't use "Dr." in the names of biographical articles). In this case, I'd guess that the best thing would be to title your autobiographical article to Anthony DePalma (writer). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:17, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Text size messed up; not a zooming issue

Due to IE browser issues, I'm using Firefox temporarily. In Monobook, the links on the left side (Toolbox and up) and the text at the top of the page ("project page", "talk", "edit this page", etc., as far as "log out") are all smaller than normal, but I know that it's not a simple case of zooming out by accident: the text everywhere else on the page is the same size as I'm used to seeing. Is there something I can do, e.g. changing preferences, that will make the text all the same size as normal? Nyttend (talk) 01:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Doesn't sound like what I'm personally seeing (in Firefox), but we might have different OSes or Firefox versions, or add-ins, or there might be something that is interacting with your browser. Have you considered changing to the (newer) Vector skin? If that's not an option, I suggest reposting at WP:VPT, which tends to get more technical editors who might provide a good answer. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Firefox is version 19.0 on my computer. Got the browser issues fixed, so I'm back to IE and had forgotten about this entirely. I greatly prefer Monobook, and the size thing was quite trivial — I asked because it seemed to be something that needed to be fixed, but not because it was bothering me — so the lack of an obvious solution isn't really a problem for me. Nyttend (talk) 19:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Help

What should I do if I have seen someone that has made dozens of malicious edits? On random pages of Hungarian villages he puts nude pictures and saying they where taken in that village. I have deleted some but don't know how to report him or whatever. Charlie the Pig (talk) 03:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Report the user at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism, if he/she doesn't stop after being given a warning on their talk page.-- Brainy J (previously Atlantima) ~✿~ (talk) 04:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Infobox help

I recently added an infobox to Braulio Rodríguez Plaza using a infobox template that has worked for me in the past but for some reason the infobox does not work on this bishop. Can anyone help me fix this infobox for me? I do not know if I put it in wrong. Spongie555 (talk) 05:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Fixed - it's a pity that getting a bracket wrong can have such big effect. -- John of Reading (talk) 05:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I knew it had to be something minor. Spongie555 (talk) 05:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

URL anchor

Is there an URL anchor or hook available that one can use to jump to Wiki in the midst of a text file? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.72.81.196 (talk) 06:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Please clarify what you mean. A wiki is a type of website. A text file is a type of file. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Some word processing systems will recognise a URL in text, and display them as a clickable link when you read a document on a computer. If that is what you mean, you simply need the URL for a Wikipedia article: you can copy this from the browser bar when you are viewing a page. It will be of the form http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Selfe (for today's featured article, for example). --ColinFine (talk) 21:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Help with Accessibility / no skin / no CSS wanted

Occasionally I need to really enlarge the text to see it better, like 400%. Both left and right margins enlarge uncontrollably, leaving very narrow vertical strip for the text itself.

I used to be able to set no skin in my preferences IIRC (or was there some skin without the side navigation bar perhaps?). On occasion due to some error pages do load without any css/skin; then such pages look best - all the navigation foliage is moved to the page's bottom, and the text takes the whole of the page's width. This is what I need / want.

With the new four skins I don't know how to get rid of the side menu (move it to the bottom).

Choosing "mobile" view doesn't help because it uses its own sans-serif font. I need serif to be able to read better. I've replaced the definition of sans-serif font in my browser (Chrome) with a serif one (Times Roman) but mobile view still shows in sans-serif, and I can't read that (believe it or not).

Please help. Firefox has "no css" option, but Chrome does not. Can a fifth skin option - no skin - be added? How can I move the side boxes to the page's bottom? How can I load a page in Chrome with no CSS? Getting an answer to one of these three questions might help. -- Adcipps (talk) 07:03, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Go to http://www.e how.com/how_10001369_disable-css-chrome.html (remove the space for it to work; site is on Wikipedia's blacklist). (Found via Google search for "how to disable css in chrome?". — The Potato Hose 07:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

thanks for your feedback, but I don't really want to install third-party extensions for that (I've seen that site before). Is there anything I can put into my custom CSS / JS on WP to move the boxes to the bottom of page? Where do I make a request for the fifth, "no skin", option in the Preferences//Appearance//Skins ? Please help. -- Adcipps (talk) 07:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

The boxes on the left are referred to as the sidebar; discussion is here: MediaWiki talk:Sidebar. As for a "no CSS" option for a user skin, I'd say that the likelihood of that being implemented is roughly between zero and nil. You best bet, I'd think, would be to disable it using your custom CSS on WP; perhaps talking to an editor who has posted at the talk page of, or editing Help:Cascading Style Sheets, would tell you if that's possible, of whether you could override the default font via custom CSS. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:27, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Also, if none of that helps, I'll note that WP:VPT is where the really technical editors hang out. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this. Will try. -- Adcipps (talk) 13:53, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Bold watchlist

How do I prevent my watchlist indicating pages I haven't yet visited in bold? I appreciate there is an option in preferences/gadgets/watchlist but checking/unchecking this box makes no difference. I have also read but completely failed to understand 'Customising watchlists' so if there is an answer there, I need some additional explanation (in plain English). Failing all that, is there a quick way to mark all pages as visited, because I find all this bold text extremely difficult to read (ironically!)--Ykraps (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Pretty sure that the gadget is the only way. You may get more help by reporting the issue at WP:VPT, since this sounds like a technical issue; be sure to specify what version of what browser you're using, and if you're not using the default Vector skin, you'll need to say what skin you're using. Nyttend (talk) 12:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Images in Wheelchair causing a layout problem

Please take a look at the layout of the page. The images in the "Mobility and access" section are "indented" towards the left instead of running down the right margin and are thus squeezing the text into a narrower space than the rest of the page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:36, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any such layout issues. Any chance of a screendump?--Launchballer 10:35, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

See http://s14.postimg.org/hvrbendnl/Wheelchair.png Rojomoke (talk) 11:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I was seeing the same thing. I have added {{clear}} at the top of the section where the overlap begins.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:57, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

That's fixed it, thanks! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:04, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Google Chrome has difficulty with copying coordinates (latitude/longitude).

Most geographic articles in Wikipedia these days have, near the top right hand corner of the article, the coordinates of the location in question as a hyperlink to GeoHack. In Internet Explorer or in Apple Safari, it is possible to very easily copy those coordinates to the clipboard in the usual way. It is possible, and in fact very easy, to copy the coordinates with both right-to-left and left-to-right mouse motions.

However, in Google Chrome, this is very difficult to do. It is possible to copy the coordinates left-to-right, but it requires very precise mouse motion - by very carefully starting on the single and not very obvious white space immediately after the "Coordinates:" link. However, it is not possible to copy the coordinates right-to-left. Any attempt to do so will copy the coordinates and vast amounts of surrounding text and pictures.

This problem appears to be generic within Google Chrome, in that it occurs on both the Windows and the Apple versions of the product. Old_Wombat (talk) 11:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

It takes an extra mouse click, but I find it better to go to the GeoHack page and copy the coordinates from the top of that page. I use IE and can copy degrees-minutes-seconds title coordinates with a very careful right-to-left mouse drag; but if the coordinates are in decimal form, I can't manage to copy them at all without the problem you describe. Deor (talk) 12:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

So ... You do agree that there is a problem? Question is ... Is this a problem within Chrome, or is this a problem with Wikipedia HTML code? If the latter, do you think that "something" should be done about it? 58.166.81.234 (talk) 12:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Browsers usually mark a paragraph with a triple click. On the space after "Coordinates:" you can try to triple click to mark both "Coordinates:″ and the coordinates. You can then remove "Coordinates:" after pasting. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

There's a Wiki Mini Atlas icon/link between "Coordinates:" and the actual coordinates that probably has something to do with the difficulty. I just attribute it to the inexplicable behavior of computers. Deor (talk) 13:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Joseph Isabelle

This article should be moved to Gaston Isabelle (currently a redirect), which is the name by which he was always known. The obituary in the links confirms this. Joseph was the first name of every other French Canadian boy born in the first 60 years on the 20th century (as the name Marie was given to almost all girls), but in practice it was not used. A few other other sources: [2]; [3] [4]. The article af fr:wp is also under Gaston. --Xuxl (talk) 13:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. Reliable source overwhelmingly confirm your contention of his common name. For future reference, a direct way to make such a request is at the technical section of requested moves. Moreover, in this case, there did not appear to be any technical impediment, and you could have simply been bold and moved the page yourself.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

In Deutschland Erwache (ISBN 0-912138-69-6), Ulric of England (sic) says:

Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

.... In Deutschland Erwache (ISBN 0-912138-69-6), Ulric of England (sic) says:

Dear Sir

Ulric of England is a company name. The company name is sometimes used by company proprietor and author Ulric Woodhams.

Given the above, please kindly remove '(sic)' from the above reference

Thank you

Ulric Woodhams Ulric of England — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.156.86 (talk) 14:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Confused. Are you asking Wikipedia's volunteer Help Desk to remove "(sic)" from a published source? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

No, he's quoting the text he is objecting to from our article swastika. It introduces a quotation from the book (which ought to be formatted as a proper citation - but it appears to be self-published, so I'm not certain it counts as a reliable source). Ulric, I understand why you are unhappy with the '(sic)', but I also see why somebody put it in, since a name of that form sounds unusual for a modern source. In any case, the place for further discussion on this is Talk:swastika. --ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

On the one hand, I was totally confused, so thanks for the explanation. On the other hand, questions as strange as that come through here constantly, no? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of history of my user page

For privacy protection (i.e. sensitive personal information matters), I would like to ask you to delete all previous records and versions of my user page (User:Finefir2001) other than the current version. or... Is there any method to do it by myself? Finefir2001 (talk) 16:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

 Done by User:TParis. In the future, you can use {{db-g7}} with the instructions and an admin will pop by and delete it for you :) Charmlet (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Many Thanks. Finefir2001 (talk) 16:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Page full of lies

Michal Belej article full of lies. He born in 1984 not 1982. Not futsul player for team Tango Brno. Playing position not winger. Change these lies. Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia = sky full of liars. Beware of destructionists Wikipedia. --Czech Czecg (talk) 18:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

You can change it yourself, if you find and cite reliable sources to support your edits.-- Brainy J (previously Atlantima) ~✿~ (talk) 18:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, if the Wikipedia article is full of lies, they are lies that were first told by UEFA: [5] has all of the same information as Wikipedia does. --Jayron32 18:24, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

UEFA = sky full of liars, beware of destructionists UEFA --Czech Czecg (talk) 18:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Malware warning on a source

So this source on the Chow Chow page gives me a malware warning when I tried to check it (the url threw up a reliable source red flag for me). Is there a way I can safely see the contents of the page? --TKK ^{bark !} 19:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Proceeding at my own risk, as it were, chucks up a "This page cannot be displayed" error. Tag it as a dead link or erase it.--Launchballer 20:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

That's not a reliable source, so I've removed the sentence and its footnote. More generally, you can safely look at old versions of many web pages via the Internet Archive - in this case , see here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Copyright

Hello,

You have said that you haven't added the Hunter G. Williams page because of copyright infringement. I assure you that's not possible as I wrote the info myself for this site as well as Imdb. Please untag the page and make it live.

Justin Chien — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.210.29.142 (talk) 19:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey Justin; please see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Cheers, Theopolisme (talk) 20:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Michel Bernholc

I'm working on a version of it in userspace. There is an article at de:Michel Bernholc, but it contains no references whatsoever AND the google translate version of it makes it illegible. Anyone who speaks decent German willing to help?--Launchballer 20:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Try WP:TRANSLATE, and a list of translators is available here. Hope that helps, jcc (tea and biscuits) 20:41, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Article on our radio station at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WQJJ-LP

I apologize for asking in this manner but, can someone please teach me to update the logo of our radio station (which is no longer on 97.7-FM and has moved to 100.1-FM) in the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WQJJ-LP so that it no longer sends people to the wrong location on the radio dial?

The station's website is at http://www.worldwidefm.com and anyone who can help with this is welcome to download the new logo and correct this but, I would really like to be able to know how to correct matters such as this without disturbing anyone in the future.

Thanks in advance, Keith Hammond General Manager - 100.1 Fox-FM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.143.121.192 (talk) 21:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

That's done. I downloaded the new logo from your site, then clicked on the old logo on the article. That took me to the image page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WQQQ-LP_radio_logo.png (or just File:WQQQ-LP_radio_logo.png). There I clicked on the "Upload a new version of this file", entered the filename on my machine, and voila! Rojomoke (talk) 22:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Mr Hammond, nobody can upload new images without first registering a user account. This is basically to prevent people from playing with our images and changing them inappropriately, since it's easier to stop people doing this when they're using a registered account. Since you don't appear to have an account, your decision to come here was basically the best thing you could have done. Thank you! Nyttend (talk) 23:09, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, folks! I'll set up an account and "play" a bit (without making any changes) to see what I can and cannot do. I do appreciate this. Thanks very much! 75.143.121.192 (talk) 01:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I do see where the changes were made and I do even see the correct thumbnail for new logo on the actual image page but, the old logo is still showing on the main page (article). Is this something that will correct when links update over time or, is this something that actually has not yet happened? Monsterfm (talk) 02:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm seeing the new purple logo in the article, but your browser may not have realised that the image has changed. If you go to the page and then bypass your browser cache (Ctrl-F5 in many browsers) you should see the new logo. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:22, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Keith, and welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you do create an account, and become a contributor; but in case you should feel inclined to edit WQJJ-LP, please read WP:COI before you do. Apologies if I am telling you something you already know. --ColinFine (talk) 10:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The content re Pero Anes do Canto is wrong

John of Kent did not accompany Edward, the Black Prince, to Castile. It was John Gaunt and he was not an ancestor of Pero Anes do Canto. The correct info can be found in Four Gothic Kings, edited by Elizabeth Hallam, published by Weidenfeld & Nicolson, NY, pp. 286-301 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.40.107.32 (talk) 22:49, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source stating that the information is wrong, please either edit the article, citing the reliable source, or discuss on the article's talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for the correction. Robert has replied with some standard information, but from what you have said, you have a reliable reference. Since the article Pero Anes do Canto is unreferenced, anybody may remove information that they think is wrong, especially if they have a reference. I would encourage you to edit the article to correct it, preferably citing the book you have (see WP:Referencing for beginners for how to do this). Don't worry if you make a mistake: see WP:BOLD. (I could do the edit, but I should not really put in that citation, since I have not seen the book). --ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Where do I find council meeting minutes?

How do I log in to get council agenda meeting minutes I can't seem to find the info on main page? Thank you.~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.94.46 (talk) 23:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. RudolfRed (talk) 00:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

June 9

Commons Link

My userpage gallery is become harder and harder to maintain. I've been trying (without luck) to replace the userpage gallery with my commons "Category:Photographs by Wiki ian" which will involve some interwiki typing but trial and error gets me no-where and I have no idea where to find the answer. Your help would be much appreciated, Wiki ian 00:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The link [[:commons:Category:Photographs by Wiki ian]] produces commons:Category:Photographs by Wiki ian. Is that what you want? If you want to display the contens of the category on a page here then it's not possible. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Please note WP:NOTWEBHOST. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 17:57, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Notability Question About Store

I would like to write an article about a local store that is considered a "community institution". My question has to do with the business notability guidelines. According to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), "On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, national, or international source is necessary." Is the Washington Post considered a regional source as one of the two secondary sources that I have found? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Possibly. With a borderline notability call like this, the depth of coverage in your various sources will probably be the clincher, though. WP:RSN is probably the best place to ask. - Karenjc 08:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect photo

When I googled Alfred Masters a picture of Jimmy Stewart is seen instead of his. How do I remove that one and upload a correct photo of Alfred Masters for both the Wikipedia article about him and a picture for the internet search? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertdragon11111 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

From previous questions here, this is a Google problem. It is displaying content from Wikipedia and other sites. We have no control over Google and what it displays. RudolfRed (talk) 04:23, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

(ec) Do you mean the picture that appears on the Google search results page? That has nothing to do with Wikipedia, and we have no control over it. The wikipedia page Alfred Masters doesn't contain an image. If you know of one that's in the public domain, you could upload it to Wikimedia Commons. Rojomoke (talk) 04:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Regarding uploading an image of Masters, see Wikipedia:Uploading images. Note that there are strict conditions regarding copyright etc. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Need help sorting a page move

Hi, I'm trying to move Coronavirinae back to Coronavirus where it belongs but the move won't go through. It says that the article "coronavirus" already exists. I need help sorting this. Someone moved Coronavirus to Coronavirinae back in May and his edit summary says they are the same thing. But they're not. The current article is about Coronavirus which is the species and that's the name the article should rightly have. Coronavirinae is the subfamily. There is an important distinction. The page move is too old to simply 'undo' what with all the edits that came after. Can someone help? Also, I'm writing the article "coronavirinae' so I need that to go back to being a red link. I'd appreciate help tonight, as this is the time I have to write the article. Thanks. Malke 2010 (talk) 06:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you sorted it out. Rojomoke (talk) 07:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

So sorry I didn't get back here so you wouldn't go to any trouble. I was able to ask Malik Shabazz for help as he was still online. My apologies. And thank you for your efforts.Malke 2010 (talk) 07:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Need help with referencing a Wikipedia web page from another Wikipedia web page

Can someone please help me with the editing of the page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_stock so that my clarifying statement correctly references the Wikipedia web page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_unit. My clarifying statements says ""The US Card Stock Thickness Point size is 0.001". It must not be confused with the US Typographical Point Size of 1 point = 1/ 12 traditional pica = exactly 0.013 83 inch = 0.351 36 mm. "" I want to add a reference in my clarifying statement that refers to the web page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_unit How do I add a reference into my clarifying statement ? Thanks ! DanMcGarigle — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanMcGarigle (talk • contribs) 06:25, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia can't use itself as a reference. If you have a reliable source in the typographic unit article, just refer to the same source in the card stock article. JIP | Talk 07:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

You could simply add a wikilink to the sentence at an apropriate place, such as: ""The US Card Stock Thickness Point size is 0.001". It must not be confused with the US Typographical Point Size of 1 point = 1/ 12 traditional pica = exactly 0.013 83 inch = 0.351 36 mm. "" I think that would be sufficient, the curious reader can then simply follow the link to the other article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Creating a new Commons category

Is this the correct place to ask about WikiMedia Commons? I feel the need to create a new category in Commons. Do I just create it or do I need to discuss it somewhere first? I have found that there are quite many images of nude or partially nude women in bondage in the category commons:Category:Bondage, but there is no category commons:Category:Nude or partially nude women in bondage. There is only the rather specific category commons:Category:Women wearing high-heeled shoes in bondage but no category commons:Category:Women in bondage by clothing or anything. JIP | Talk 06:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

There's a Commons:Help_desk. Rojomoke (talk) 07:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Roberto Chabet Biography

Dear Wikipedia,

I am Ringo Bunoan, the archivist for the artist Roberto Chabet, who recently passed away. I do not know who created his profile on Wikipedia, but I know that the information has been vandalized several times by some users. What has been written is false, malicious and damaging to his reputation. I just edited the page a while ago to remove the offensive revisions and I will be closely monitoring the page.

I am appealing to Wikipedia to address this serious matter. I understand your position in enabling the public to create information but when the information is incorrect and hurtful, I believe you should do something to stop it.

Ringo Bunoan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.144.70.44 (talk) 08:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting the vandalism introduced into the article by an unregistered IP address just over a month ago, in this edit. Wikipedia takes vandalism seriously and.encourages users to revert edits such as this on sight. Users patrol constantly for vandalism and much of it is indeed caught within a very short time. You are most welcome to watch this article closely, and revert any further unequivocal vandalism of this type. However, please bear in mind that you have a conflict of interest due to your relationship to the subject of the article, and you are discouraged from editing the article in other ways. If you want to make any changes to it other than the reversion of unequivocal vandalism, the way forward is to start a discussion on the article's talk page. -Karenjc 10:06, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Ringo. It is possible to ask for a page to be semiprotected, so that unregistered users cannot edit it; but requests will normally only be granted if a page has been subject to frequent vandalism. As far as I can see, Roberto Chabet has only been vandalised once recently, and while this must be distressing to somebody who knew a recently deceased person, it is probably not serious enough for Wikipedia to justify protection. --ColinFine (talk) 10:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Alex4128

The user page for Alex4128 steals my biographical content right off my own user page and is used to promote a sex site. Probably a fake, please help me in getting this page deleted, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slugguitar (talk • contribs) 09:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I have created a separate header for this request. Thanks for noticing it, I have found that User:Alex4128's only contribution ever was to copy your user page and add a link to a sex site to it. This was five and a half years ago. I have deleted the user page and blocked User:Alex4128 indefinitely as it's unlikely the user account will ever be used for anything other than vandalism. JIP | Talk 09:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

bhagat singh is a song with singers honey sing and Nishawn Bhullar there is mistake about it in honey singh's data page

bhagat singh is a song with singers honey sing and Nishawn Bhullar there is mistake about it in honey singh's data page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.205.79.234 (talk) 13:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source for your information, then you are welcome to edit the article Honey Singh to correct it. (Actually, the current information is not sourced, so you could change it anyway. But it would be better if you could cite a published source). --ColinFine (talk) 19:03, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Anthony NOGHES

As I am his son, I believe I am entitled to edit the page dedicated to my father Antony NOGHES. His first name was misspelled Anthony instead of Antony. I have also allowed myself to add some of his significant achievements and to remove a reference that is not relevant. Gilles NOGHES — Preceding unsigned comment added by GIALERNO (talk • contribs) 14:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I see that you have already changed all instances of his name in the article. I searched for information and it all points to his name being Anthony. For this reason I am hesitant to move the page. Could you perhaps give me some more info as to why his name would be misspelt? Falkirks^Talk 14:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

You also removed the Reflist which created an error. I have put it back. Please refrain from adding more unsourced material to replace the sourced material. Falkirks^Talk 14:40, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources using Antony, e.g., [6]. There just appear to be more that use Anthony.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Gilles. As his son, you are positively discouraged from editing that page, for reasons explained at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. You are very welcome to make suggestions for editing the page, on its talk page Talk:Antony Noghès, but you should leave it to uninvolved editors to make the changes. Any suggestions you do make are much more likely to be taken up if you provide citations to reliable published sources for the information.

As for the name, I see that the only discussion so far on the talk page is a question from 2011 (unanswered) asking which spelling to use. That question said that the MCA webpage had both spellings on the same page, but at present it says only 'Anthony'. Given that the references are divided, I have moved the page according to your request. --ColinFine (talk) 19:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Correction

Re Wikpedia article on my father, Rabbi Arthur J. Lelyveld: I am incorrectly identified as follows: "His son David Lelyveld is an authority on the frontier tribes of South Asia and is Professor of History at William Patterson University." I am a historian of Modern India with a special interest in South Asian Muslims [NOT frontier tribes]. I retired a year ago from my position as Professor of History at William Paterson University and am now an independent scholar. David Lelyveld

Corrected text:"His son David Lelyveld is a historian of Modern India with a special interest in South Asian Muslims. He retired in 2012 as Professor of History at William Paterson University and is now an independent scholar." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.107.167 (talk) 15:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I've changed the text, though not to what you requested. Neither the existing nor proposed information has a source (citation); more importantly, even if there was a source, the article is about Arthur Lelyveld, not his children, so it should not go into any detail about them, unless that's relevant to his life as described in an acceptable source. (Doing some quick checking on the web, the proposed text looks correct, but that's not the point, I think.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

should a footnote be concise

Is it preferable to write a footnote without quotation, like:' <rrrref>Morris (2008), p. 81.</rrrref>'

or is it better to include a citation, like: '<rrrref>Morris, 1948, p. 81. "At the start of the civil war, Whitehall believed that the Arabs would prevail. “In the long run the Jews would not be able to cope . . . and would be thrown out of Palestine unless they came to terms with [the Arabs],” was the considered judgment of the Chief of the Imperial General Staff"</rrrref> ' Ykantor (talk) 16:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

So, to continue with your example, the way I would do it depends on the number of references to one specific book in an article. If there's only one or two, I'd use {{cite book}} or the appropriate template each time, and then {{reflist}} under a header at the bottom. If there's more than 2 or so, I'd use a list at the bottom under a Bibliography heading with one instance of the {{cite book}} template, and then for the references use <ref>Morris p17</ref> or something like that, to reference the bibliography entry. Regardless, it's usually not normal to include a quotation in the reference. Hope this helps - Charmlet (talk) 16:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Agree with Charmlet. There are numerous citation styles that we use here (see WP:CITEVAR), and some of them use the shortened citations like you're giving. Regarding the quotation, that's normally not a good idea. Really the only reason to give a quotation is to enable others to see what it says; a quotation like this is only useful under the fair use standards, so if it's not needed, it's inappropriate. Since someone can always click a link for an online source, you shouldn't quote them in citations. Generally, the only time it's done is with an obscure print source ("please provide the text, since I can't get the source to verify it") or with a really contentious topic for which people want to be sure that you're not twisting the meaning of the source. With all that said, I'd advise you never to include a quote unless others ask for it. Nyttend (talk) 01:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Charmlet and Nyttend. I accept your advice of course. However, for my curiosity only, initially I had the opposite view. the reasons:

• It is better to keep the article as concise as possible, it would be better to move the citation to the footnote.
• If the article concise text is not sufficiently detailed, one can read more in the citation (in the footnote).

Again, it is for my curiosity only. Ykantor (talk) 10:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

timer uses

dear sir, i want to know that "how could we use timer with a command button"

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.78.9.218 (talk) 16:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I took the trouble to reformat your question. The Help Desk is a forum for asking about using Wikipedia itself. Based on your question, I think you want to ask at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing, although "how could we use timer with a command button" is very vague. Which operating system? Which development environment? JIP | Talk 17:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Information about the place Flåm

All the photos are from Fretheim. The real Flåm, is were the chuch is. Flåm harbour, and Flåm station is located at Fretheim. The farm Flåm, is 3,5 kilomerter from Fretheim and the sea (fjord). Nice if somebody also could show pictures from the real Flåm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.213.146.180 (talk) 17:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit the article, citing reliable sources, or discuss on the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

A reversion that wasn't

I was notified that my very minor edit was reverted. However, the supposed reversion was not a reversion of my edit at all. Any idea how this happens? Is this a known bug? Thanks, Brycehughes (talk) 18:58, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

From what I understand, the WP:Echo system notifies you of a "reversion" when an edit is made using the WP:UNDO or WP:ROLLBACK features of the MediaWiki software. What this looks like is that someone hit "undo", but then didn't actually undo your edit but made another edit instead. I would say that it's nothing to be worried about :) Happy editing! Charmlet (talk) 19:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The IP has done this many times. I have posted to User talk:190.124.162.159#Use of the Undo link. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:49, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

table formatting de-bug

See the font of the two captions in the figure table here. It looks like the left font is smaller. Please make it bigger so it matches that on the right.TCO (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

It looks the same to me in Firefox. Try to clear your cache. Does it still look different? What is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

OK. I zoomed it and it looks the same. But at scale seemed different. No biggie. We're done.

Deletion

This is Robert Swetz and I have login with user name swetz777 I previously submitted some information on my new novel DARK SIDE OF DAVID All of the information that I submitted was my own and it has been deleted twice now! If there is something that I can change in order to keep this information on Wikipedia please help me. If for any reason my subject matter is being deleted because of content and or people do not like my information and or personal opinions, I would suggest Wikipedia be (Very Careful).

A great source of information that Wikipedia creates for readers of the World Wide Web could also be talked about, blogged about, etc in a very (Negative) way.

Robert Swetz - Author of the novel Dark Side of David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swetz777 (talk • contribs) 23:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Robert, no one is trying to bring you down, man. But Wiki just doesn't think it is important enough. You need to wait until it gets significant press coverage (e.g. New York Times). Go ahead and publicize it on youtube and the like...but Wiki only has encyclopedia topics on things that are "notable". There's more stuff than in Britannica, but the philosophy is still the same. Also, probably better not to create articles like that yourself (that tout you or your work). If it really gets notable, than someone will make an article out of it.TCO (talk) 23:19, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

OK...I just read the speedies. It's not a copyright vio if you verify who you are. But it is going to get deleted regardless for the reason above. Nothing harsh meant...it's just not notable.TCO (talk) 23:23, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Veiled threats to say and write disparaging things about Wikipedia if it does not promote your new novel really won't help either. - Karenjc 23:40, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey there Mr. Swetz! I'm sorry to hear that you've had a bad time writing on Wikipedia, we certainly don't try to be unfriendly. From what I understand, your article on your upcoming book has been deleted. To resolve this in the future, make sure it's not promotional in any way. The best way to do this is to have it go through the Articles for Creation process, where an experienced editor will review it before it's moved to articlespace. This way, instead of deletion, it'll stay so you can improve it until it's accepted. Also, you need to make sure the book is notable, for a simpler version see WP:42.

I'd also like to refer you to the live help channel #wikipedia-en-help ^connect where you can come get help in realtime from a variety of editors. Using that is totally up to you, and you're more than welcome to continue here instead, but just be aware there is a live-help as an option.

Hope this helps, Charmlet (talk) 23:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

• I must disagree with Charmlet's suggestion about how to resolve in the future. I will say very firmly: kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your book is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:52, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
  • As RHaworth has access to the deleted articles, I'd strongly take his suggestion over mine. Also, as mentioned before, making veiled threats of "suggest Wikipedia be (Very Careful)" aren't going to get you anywhere, except potentially blocked from editing, if anything. Charmlet (talk) 23:58, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
    • To elaborate on Charmlet's point: do not make legal threats. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 04:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
      • He didn't make a legal threat. He threatened to disparage Wikipedia in a blog unless we tout his book. Maproom (talk) 06:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

June 10

USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69)

I'm a former crewmember of the 'IKE' and noticed several parts of the Deployment History were in need of citations for validation of the affected passages. What type of information is considered a bona fide source of information? I have four cruise books, one for each deployment when I was aboard the carrier, and may be able to access and cite other sources as needed to help out. Thank you for your time and assistance in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don tireman (talk • contribs) 02:37, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Don. What we look for are reliable, published, independent, secondary sources (though published primary sources can be used carefully). Think reputable books, newspaper articles, magazine write ups, television documentaries, etc., reporting on matters with which they are unconnected. I emphasized the word published because I got the impression from what you wrote that the "cruise books" are like logs taken from the ship that may be unpublished (but after looking and finding sites like this one my impression may be unfounded). If they have been published they can be used, though we would certainly prefer a secondary source.

We could always use a helping hand, especially by someone who understands the source material in the way you must, having lived it. That lack of distance can also be a two edged sword because you know things that are not in sources. Please just remember that we don't allow original research; as a tertiary source, Wikipedia articles properly synthesize what published secondary and primary sources have already said about a topic, and we do so using neutral language and content. If you need help with the technical aspects of citing sources, I would start with referencing for beginners, and you could always drop us a note here. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Robert Marien

Bonjour,

Sur la page française de Wikipédia, Robert Marien est né en 1955, sur la page Wikipédia anglaise, il est né en 1956, et sur IMDB il est aussi né en 1956...peut-être la page française est-elle fausse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.30.92.181 (talk) 03:16, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

My French isn't that good, but this indicates 1955, if Mr. Marien is being quoted (I can't tell). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 03:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Arranging userboxes

Hi there, I'm normally good with coding, but I'm having a bad day. Could someone give me some pointers on how to arrange userboxes on my page?

Preferably neatly arranged in a table with borders, but anything works.

Thanks alot,

Dantheman4297 (talk) 08:04, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

On My userpage, I use the following :-

{| name="userboxes" id="userboxes" style="float: right; margin-top: 2em; margin-right: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; width: 242px; border: #99B3FF solid 1px; clear: right" |-
| style="text-align: center"
|-
|}

Just put the userboxes in like this -

|-
| {{USERBOX}}
|-

Hope that's clear :) Mdann52 (talk) 08:34, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Mine are in a table with each row a different type/theme of userboxes - take a look. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, but I still don't get it? Do you have permission to edit my user page and do it for me? If so can you do it please? Thanks,

Dantheman4297 (talk) 08:57, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I've made an edit, padding each user box to the same depth so that they arrange themselves neatly. Any good? Feel free to undo it, of course. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

can an article about the SEF be added please?

http : // www . sef.scot.nhs . uk/ Scottish Enhanced Functionality - health board (SEF) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.254.184.38 (talk) 08:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Here is a correctly formatted version of the URL: http://www.sef.scot.nhs.uk/ . It seems to me unlikely that this organisation is notable enough to justify a Wikipedia article about it. Maproom (talk) 09:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)