Talk:Hyderabad

Region in info-box: Deccan vs Telangana or Both?

We have very heated discussion about this issue. See here. If we include column about region, Telangana is more appropriate than Deccan. Nowadays nobody uses Deccan. Deccan means south. During Mughal times they referred this region as Deccan to refer it as Southern province etc. But Telangana is still heavily used the word to describe the region. You hear that word every day in news. Still why you want to remove the word Telangana? See here. Can unbiased Wiki editor answer me this? I am ok with inlcuding both Deccan and Telangana as regions. I dont think its right to remove Telangana from region column of info box.Ramcrk (talk) 18:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree that both Deccan and Telengana region should be in the infobox. --Dwaipayan (talk) 18:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Agree with both or with Deccan, but not only Telengana —as we see some editors now and then are insisting for only Telengana to be included. Deccan refers to the Deccan Plateau region — a geographical region of India, as the article is about a city of geographical place, and infobox contains mostly geo-info, it is necessary to include Deccan. If you are insisting to include names based on there meanings and when Deccan means South, So what does Telengana means for? literally it does not mean any thing except 10 districts of AP etc, then why should we include it? And a subject being in news does not mean that it should be included in the article. We are doing our best to maintain neutrality of the article and with all respect I have no problem including Telengana in infobox along with Deccan, but only Telengana is in appropriate and will start a new wave of edit warring. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:00, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm with Omer123hussain on this. Putting Telangana as region is not relevant since Deccan gives a more historic significane and more appropriate. As you pointed out, it narrows down what Hyderabad represents and is part of. Besides as I have pointed earlier in the previous discussion, Telangana isn't a recognized admin division of the state. it has come into people's mindshare only now due to the T movement. I've discussed this at lengths, and the motive for some parties arguing seems to be only the sentiment of trying to "prove" Hyderabad as part of Telangana in the context of deciding the fate of the city if the state were to be divided. Vamsisv (talk) 18:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I see the point that some people may be trying to push a PoV here by insisting on Telengana. However, though Telengana is not an administrative entity, it is a region of geo-political importance for many many years (a comparable entity can be Vidarbha). So, both Deccan (another geo-political entity, but more geographical than polotical) and Telengana should be there. Indeed, not mentioning Telengana would also be a POV-pushing and non-comprehensive. Hyderabad is within Telengana and Deccan, and both are notable entities.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:11, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Since we have consensus for including the both regions in the infobox, I made the change in article to include both. Ramcrk (talk) 04:47, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Culture section

Do we really need to name Taramati and Maha Laqa Bai? We can reduce one sentence if we delete them.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Removed , Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Sub section names

I feel the article contains plenty of sub-section list, which shall have to be reduced. Please advice. Regards :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 23:28, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

you are correct that the article has many subsections. However each subsection apparently has substantial amount of text. Coalescing several substantial subsections might result in a very big section, which is also bad. The level of details each section has necessitates the use of subsections under sections. This is not unprecedented, some other city articles do use such subsections. On the other hand, there are examples in which not so many subsections are used (such as, Kolkata). I have a feeling forcefully trying to coalesce subsections (unless a subsection has less or insubstantial text) would be difficult at this stage.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, you are right I also found many FA's which contain good amount of sub sections. So we will move with the current list. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Question for Stfg or other copyeditors, and to Omer

• "This lasted until 1321 when the Kakatiya dynasty was annexed by Allaudin Khilji general Malik Kafur." Does this sentence sound good? My question is specifically on the "Allaudin Khilji general" part.
  • No, I don't think you can put a general in apposition to his sovereign. "Queen Victoria general Colley" would make no sense, for example. I've suggested: "This lasted until 1321, when the Kakatiya dynasty was annexed by Malik Kafur, Allaudin Khilji's general." --Stfg (talk) 08:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
• In 1712, Farrukhsiyar, the sixth of Aurangzeb's successors" Sure Farrukhsiyar was sixth successor in just about 25 years?--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

"In 1712, Farrukhsiyar the later Mughal emperor, appointed Asif Jah I to be Viceroy of the Deccan" is this okay :)regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 20:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Request

Can someone repair the template "{{|Hyderabad, India weatherbox}}" the source [44] attached with this template is dropping out of "weather box". Regards:)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Fixed the template. The curly brackets closing out the table were put in the wrong place and the source hadn't been given a name. There was also a minor formatting error. If it doesn't show, just purge the cache and it will show up. (Oops realised I forgot to sign this...12 hours ago Blackmane (talk) 10:49, 31 May 2013 (UTC))

Urdu people

The article says Referred to as "Hyderabadi", residents of Hyderabad are predominantly Telugu and Urdu people .... Are we sure about this and the other groups named in the paragraph? For example, although we do have a (redirected) Urdu people article that relates to what seems to be predominantly a Pakistani community and Urdu is really a language, not a community or ethnicity as such. Some similar confusion may arise with other groups that are named, so perhaps we need to clarify in some way? - Sitush (talk) 16:54, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Linked Telugu people and Urdu people-(it gives details about urdu speaking community of hyderabad. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 17:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

To me, it makes no sense to speak of "X people" when X is a language rather than something like a clan, nationality, ethnicity or the like. When we speak of "Welsh people", we mean people whose nationality is Welsh, regardless of whether they speak the language. Those who speak the language would be Welsh-speaking people. So, better would be "Telugu- and Urdu-speaking people". --Stfg (talk) 18:14, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Stfg, if that is what the sources mean. I find it difficult to believe that they mean Urdu people unless our article on that subject is way off-course. The list given - including Malayali etc- does seem to be a linguistic list at first glance. Of course, India has increasingly been moving towards a linguistic division of states and the extent to which ethnicity and language combine is moot in the modern world. - Sitush (talk) 08:52, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. The phrase "Urdu people" is weird, but the page Urdu people is just a redirect, and it's a plausible search term, I suppose. "Telugu people" is a strange term too, and that page is not a redirect. Its opening sentence is "The Telugu people or Telugu Prajalu means people who speak Telugu language." If that's all it means, I'm wondering whether to move it to "Telugu-speaking people", leaving the current title as a similarly plausible redirect. What do you think? --Stfg (talk) 09:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 23:34, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

• Hyderabad, India → Hyderabad
• Hyderabad → Hyderabad (disambiguation)

– This city of Hyderabad in India clearly satisfies WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Now, before I go demonstrating that, let me also point out another problem: the current title, Hyderabad, India, doesn't actually disambiguate. As noted on the disambiguation page, there are four other places entitled "Hyderabad" that are or were in India (Hyderabad district, India, Hyderabad State, Hyderabad State (1948–56), and Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh), so if disambiguation is truly needed here, a different disambiguator is needed.

Thankfully, I don't believe one is needed, as today, in the 21st century, most people when they think of Hyderabad, they think of the contemporary city of 7.8 million, the fourth-largest city in India. They do not think of the Pakistani city that isn't even the largest city in its province: Andhra Pradesh's Hyderabad is a global city, while the Hyderabad in Pakistan is not. This Hyderabad has non-stop flights to as far away as London, Hong Kong, and Singapore from its airport; the Hyderabad in Pakistan does not even have a functioning airport. Speaking to long-term significance, this Hyderabad was founded in 1591; the Hyderabad in Pakistan was founded in 1768.

They do not, it seems, think of the historic Hyderabad State. Perusing through Google Books results for Hyderabad -wikipedia from the past half-century, it seems the majority of sources referring to anything other than the city explicitly append another word to the name (e.g. "Hyderabad State" or "Hyderabad District"), while those referring to the city tend not to. And it bears noting that the Hyderabad State, which didn't even come into existence for 130 years, was named after the city, not the other way around; therefore, the city of Hyderabad, predating and outlasting the historic state, certainly satisfies the long-term significance criterion of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.

What really drives the primacy argument home (or insert cricket-related idiom here) are the Google web search results for Hyderabad -wikipedia. Every single result on the first ten pages is in reference to this city. (After that, I just stopped.) And so, with that, it appears this city in Andhra Pradesh satisfies WP:PRIMARYTOPIC both in usage and long-term significance. Therefore, the article about this city should occupy the Hyderabad title. -- tariqabjotu 03:35, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• Support, per nom. Well stated. bd2412 T 14:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
• Support – This is the rare primary topic claim that I'd call a good one. A well-made case, for one of the world's most prominent and well-known cities, where no other topic comes close. Dicklyon (talk) 20:33, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• Comment the hatnote has been deleted, so this is now even more poor navigation. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:11, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nom. And Tariq, I had a good laugh reading your comment within parenthesis (or insert cricket-related idiom here). It's ok, will take drive home for now.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nom (also, as nom notes, dab is poor, since "Hyderabad, India" doesn't really disambiguate anything). Canuck^{89 (talk to me)} 08:44, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
• Support; the earlier state is definitely a prominent topic (and is linked from the lead), but this article as primary topic makes the most sense. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:08, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
• I'm stunned; never would I have guessed that the city would not have had primary topic here. Support, of course. Clearly the primary topic. Red Slash 16:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

• Support; Its like wish come true, in eralier move request for this article nobody had convinced the issue, as you did above. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:31, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

• Support: per Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC. Elockid ^(Talk) 19:34, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Hyderabad, Sindh, a city of over 3 millions and the seventh largest in Pakistan, and Hyderabad State, an important country for over two centuries, alone disqualify the Indian city as the primary topic. If someone prefers a different disambiguator, please propose it. —  AjaxSmack  00:49, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Rome constituted one of the most significant civilizations in history, and yet we understand that today, the modern city, not Ancient Rome or any of its constituent empires, is the primary topic of the term. Those two meanings can be linked from a hatnote, if necessary. -- tariqabjotu 02:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

You shouldn't rely on the population data that's listed in South Asian cities. They are often vandalized to booster the rankings of the city. This is very apparent here with this edit and this edit. Secondly, the page large difference in page views between Hyderabad, Sindh and Hyderabad, India clearly shows that the city India is the primary topic. Elockid ^(Talk) 02:59, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad State also has significantly less views. Elockid ^(Talk) 03:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

WOW. Absolutely wow. I reverted the vandalism, but wow. I was wondering how I had never known that Pakistan's Hyderabad was so important--turns out it's not quite THAT important. Red Slash 02:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. I'm going to repeat my statement of the last RM as nothing has changed: "Oppose. At least two major cities with same name (one of 6.8m people, one of 1.5m) mean it is not clear that one is "much more likely than any other topic," per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I note as well that there has been no notification of this WP:RM on pages that would expect have input in this discussion (e.g. Hyderabad State, Hyderabad, Sindh)." Tassedethe (talk) 15:25, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Well, neither of them are affected by this move proposal. In both cases, that article will remain a single click away from the article located at Hyderabad (they'll put a WP:HATNOTE up). The articles affected will include only far less significant ones, like Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh, which now will regrettably be two clicks away. (Still worth it for this article, about the major Indian city, to be located at the base name to make things easier for the majority of our readers.) Red Slash 14:48, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
    • The proposal explicitly makes claim that those two articles are not as important. Without notification how are people with knowledge on those topics expected to find out and perhaps respond. Tassedethe (talk) 15:33, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
      • Not even remotely, and I have no idea where you're getting this idea--the nominator never used the word "important" and neither did any supporter (I've used the word twice now responding to oppose !voters). We name articles based on what we think users will be best served by. For instance, there's a mythological creature--completely meaningless and worthless, just an idea, and not important at all--called a phoenix, and a big important city, where a lot of people live, which is also called Phoenix. Nevertheless, there's a disambiguation page there because even though the city is far more important, lots of people are still looking for the mythological creature. Please, no one here is suggesting that the state or the Pakistani city are unimportant, or even that this Indian city is more important; just that it's more likely to help our readers if we have the city article at the base name, Hyderabad. Red Slash 21:12, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
• Support - primary topic. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:51, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Extension of GHMC area.

Recently it was published in newspapers that Government orders were issued to and it had been implemented to extend the GHMC boundaries by merging some 36 rural grams/panchayts area, need experts advise if we shall wait untill official announcements.

• My worry is if we update newly included area, we need to upgrade almost all the sections, and it is not possible to obtain the latest statistics so early, So better shall we move with old boundries untill an official announcement is made. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 17:54, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

New lead

@Omer123hussain and Dwaipayanc: As a follow-up to my remarks at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests, I'd like to suggest an overhaul to the lead. As I indicated there, I sought to eliminate the lists toward the end of the current lead, and, while keeping the history, say a bit more about the city's culture. I also tried to improve the prose a bit. The result is as follows:

Hyderabad /ˈhaɪdərəbæd/ is the capital and largest city of the southern Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. Occupying 922 square kilometres (356 sq mi) along the banks of the Musi River, as of 2011, it had a population of 6.8 million and a metropolitan population of 7.75 million, making it is the fourth most populous city and sixth most populous urban agglomeration in India. At an average altitude of 542 metres (1,778 ft), much of Hyderabad is situated on hilly terrain around artificial lakes, including Hussain Sagar—predating the city’s founding—north of the city centre.

Established in 1591 by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, Hyderabad remained under the rule of the Qutb Shahi dynasty for nearly a century before the Mughals captured the region. In 1724, Mughal viceroy Asif Jah I declared his sovereignty and created his own dynasty, also known as the Nizams of Hyderabad. The Hyderabad State ultimately became a princely state duringBritish rule, and remained so for 150 years, with the city serving as its capital. The city continued as capital of a newHyderabad State after joining the Indian Union in 1948 and before attaining its current status as the focal point of Andhra Pradesh in 1956.

Relics of Qutb Shahi and Nizam rule remain visible today, with the Charminar—commissioned by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah himself—coming to symbolise Hyderabad. That legacy is also evident in the city's distinctive cuisine, which includes Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem. The Qutb Shahis and Nizams established Hyderabad as a cultural hub, attracting men of letters from different parts of the world. Hyderabad emerged as the foremost centre of culture in India with the decline of the Mughal Empire in the mid-19th century, with artists migrating to the city from the rest of the Indian subcontinent. While Hyderabad has lost its cultural preeminence, today, due to the Telugu film industry, it is the country's second-largest producer city of motion pictures.

Hyderabad was historically known as a pearl and diamond trading centre, and continues to be known as the City of Pearls. However, industrialisation throughout the 20th century has also attracted major Indian manufacturing, research and financial institutions, including the National Geophysical Research Institute and the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology. Special economic zones dedicated to information technology have brought encouraged companies from across India and around the world to set up operations and the emergence of pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries in the 1990s led to the title of "Genome Valley". With an output of US$74 billion, Hyderabad is the fifth-largest contributor city to India's overall gross domestic product.

As I am not an expert on the city, I imagine I may have made a few mistakes, perhaps overemphasizing points that are't particularly important. However, most of the facts in this proposed introduction were in the original one, and others are drawn from elsewhere in the article. I wanted to include examples of "major Indian manufacturing, research and financial institutions", but I didn't want to include all five of the ones currently listed. I just selected the National Geophysical Research Institute and the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology, but I'm not sure if Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, the Defence Research and Development Organisation, or the National Mineral Development Corporation might actually be more significant.

Anyway, some feedback would be welcomed. Note that this is scheduled to appear as TFA on September 19. -- tariqabjotu 03:43, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes its good and we can move with it, I have two concerns and one addition.

My concerns are 1) Geographic area; shall we mention 650Km or 922Km (Its not officially declared on GHMC web site until my last access, and we need to make lot lot of changes in multiple sections).

2) The third paragraph says; While Hyderabad has lost its cultural preeminence, which is not true. Where as today non of the Indian city is considered as cultural prominant, in fact it was Hyderabad that is declared as a first Heritage city of India in 2012, So I think writing this sentence is not true.

Added one more sentence into your version, highlighted it and posted the same here below. Any way we can wait until Dwaip responce his opinion, Or else I will ping him as we have very less time to be live for TFA. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:39, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad /ˈhaɪdərəbæd/ is the capital and largest city of the southern Indian state of Andhra Pradesh. Occupying 650 square kilometres (250 sq mi) along the banks of the Musi River, as of 2011, it had a population of 6.8 million and a metropolitan population of 7.75 million, making it the fourth most populous city and sixth most populous urban agglomeration in India. At an average altitude of 542 metres (1,778 ft), much of Hyderabad is situated on hilly terrain around artificial lakes, including Hussain Sagar—predating the city’s founding—north of the city centre.

Established in 1591 by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah, Hyderabad remained under the rule of the Qutb Shahi dynasty for nearly a century before the Mughals captured the region. In 1724, Mughal viceroy Asif Jah I declared his sovereignty and created his own dynasty, also known as the Nizams of Hyderabad. The Hyderabad State ultimately became a princely state duringBritish rule, and remained so for 150 years, with the city serving as its capital. The city continued as capital of a newHyderabad State after joining the Indian Union in 1948 and before attaining its current status as the focal point of Andhra Pradesh in 1956.

Relics of Qutb Shahi and Nizam rule remain visible today, with the Charminar—commissioned by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah himself—coming to symbolise Hyderabad. That legacy is also evident in the city's distinctive cuisine, which includes Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem. The Qutb Shahis and Nizams established Hyderabad as a cultural hub, attracting men of letters from different parts of the world. Hyderabad emerged as the foremost centre of culture in India with the decline of the Mughal Empire in the mid-19th century, with artists migrating to the city from the rest of the Indian subcontinent. While Hyderabad is loosing its cultural preeminence, the traditional bazaars such as Laad Bazaar, Madina Circle, Begum Bazaar and Sultan Bazaar, dating from the Qutb Shahi and Nizam era remain prominent. Today, due to the Telugu film industry, it is the country's second-largest producer city of motion pictures.

Hyderabad was historically known as a pearl and diamond trading centre, and continues to be known as the City of Pearls. However, industrialisation throughout the 20th century has also attracted major Indian manufacturing, research and financial institutions, including the Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, National Geophysical Research Institute and the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology. Special economic zones dedicated to information technology have brought encouraged companies from across India and around the world to set up operations and the emergence of pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries in the 1990s led to the title of "Genome Valley". With an output of US$74 billion, Hyderabad is the fifth-largest contributor city to India's overall gross domestic product.

• • Reads excellent However, the loss of culture pre-eminence is not probably true, and is not there in the body of the article. That needs to be removed. Also, the mention of bazaars can be included in the legacy sentence: "That legacy is also evident in the city's distinctive cuisine, which includes Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem, and its traditional bazaars such as Laad Bazaar, Madina Circle, Begum Bazaar and Sultan Bazaar." What say?--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Agree with Dwaip's opinion. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:30, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

@Omer123hussain and Dwaipayanc: It seems like you two are confusing preeminence ("the fact of surpassing all others; superiority") with prominence ("the state of being important"). Surely Hyderabad is no longer the foremost center of culture in India today, no? And while I understand the loss of preeminence (or losing of preeminence) is not explicitly in the body, it would be a problem if the lead said that Hyderabad emerged as the foremost city of culture in India without saying that it no longer holds that status today. Obviously, if it does hold that status today, then, yes, by all means, remove that clause.

In any event, I agree with Dwaipayan that the mention of the bazaars should be moved. Where he suggested it (in the sentence starting "That legacy is also evident...") is fine. Alternatively, it could go in the fourth paragraph, where the economy is discussed. Either way, perhaps it might be possible to reduce the list to three examples, instead of four (as everyone loves things in threes)? So, something like:

Relics of Qutb Shahi and Nizam rule remain visible today, with the Charminar—commissioned by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah himself—coming to symbolise Hyderabad. That legacy is also evident in the city's distinctive cuisine, which includes Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem, and its traditional bazaars, such as Laad Bazaar, Begum Bazaar and Sultan Bazaar. The Qutb Shahis and Nizams established Hyderabad as a cultural hub, attracting men of letters from different parts of the world. Hyderabad emerged as the foremost centre of culture in India with the decline of the Mughal Empire in the mid-19th century, with artists migrating to the city from the rest of the Indian subcontinent. While Hyderabad is losing its cultural preeminence, today, due to the Telugu film industry, it is the country's second-largest producer city of motion pictures.

Hyderabad was historically known as a pearl and diamond trading centre, and it continues to be known as the City of Pearls. However, industrialisation throughout the 20th century has also attracted major Indian manufacturing, research and financial institutions, including the Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, National Geophysical Research Institute and the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology. Special economic zones dedicated to information technology have brought encouraged companies from across India and around the world to set up operations and the emergence of pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries in the 1990s led to the title of "Genome Valley". With an output ofUS$74 billion, Hyderabad is the fifth-largest contributor city to India's overall gross domestic product.

Alternatively...

Relics of Qutb Shahi and Nizam rule remain visible today, with the Charminar—commissioned by Muhammad Quli Qutb Shah himself—coming to symbolise Hyderabad. That legacy is also evident in the city's distinctive cuisine, which includes Hyderabadi biriyani and Hyderabadi haleem. The Qutb Shahis and Nizams established Hyderabad as a cultural hub, attracting men of letters from different parts of the world. Hyderabad emerged as the foremost centre of culture in India with the decline of the Mughal Empire in the mid-19th century, with artists migrating to the city from the rest of the Indian subcontinent. While Hyderabad is losing its cultural preeminence, today, due to the Telugu film industry, it is the country's second-largest producer city of motion pictures.

Hyderabad was historically known as a pearl and diamond trading centre, and it continues to be known as the City of Pearls. Many of the city's traditional bazaars, including Laad Bazaar, Begum Bazaar and Sultan Bazaar, have remained open for centuries. However, industrialisation throughout the 20th century has also attracted major Indian manufacturing, research and financial institutions, including the Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited, National Geophysical Research Institute and the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology. Special economic zones dedicated to information technology have brought encouraged companies from across India and around the world to set up operations and the emergence of pharmaceutical and biotechnology industries in the 1990s led to the title of "Genome Valley". With an output of US$74 billion, Hyderabad is the fifth-largest contributor city to India's overall gross domestic product.

I'm indifferent between the two options. And, of course, if you think it's incorrect to say Hyderabad has lost, or is losing, its cultural preeminence, that can be removed too. -- tariqabjotu 21:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

@Tariqabjotu and Dwaipayanc: the latest second alternative by Tariqabjotu looks excellent. So shall we go ahead ASAP ? :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, please go ahead with this second alternative ASAP. Let's get this fixed. Meanwhile, the pre-eminence/prominence issue will remain, but that can get some more thought later. Hyderabad was probably never number 1 in culture in India. For that matter, no one city in India can vie for that. Many cities have their own claim to fame regarding culture, whether in the past or in the present. The epithet "cultural capital of India" is often used for Kolkata, although that does not mean Kolkata is way far ahead culturally than other big cities. Similarly, Hyderabad was at number one, now lost that place (I get that sense reading the sentence, although I may be reading it wrong) -- that's not a perfect statement. What my general sense is that Hyderabad was known for its cukture, is known for its culture, there are many unique things there, but ranking is not possible among the cities.@Tariqabjotu and Omer123hussain:--Dwaipayan (talk) 22:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Ya I agree and as I mention above its not correct to claim Hyderabad "number 1 cultural city of India", it was far ahead to be claimed as cultural capital. Any way this issue can be later resolved. So moving with second alternative option. Thanks a lot to User:Tariqabjotu for helping us to improve the article. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:40, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Congrats: Featured Article

Congratulations to all the active editors, who have managed to improve the quality of this article & ensured that it will appear as Featured Article. Well done everybody. Hope more articles related to Hyderabad will follow this trend.Sarvagyana guru (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Congrats everyone especially those handful number of editors who have strived hard to achieve this. Vamsisv (talk) 01:00, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 October 2013

I want to add the Hindi version of Hyderabad to the top of Infobox of this article, alongside the other languages, as Hindi is the national language of India. saurabh loves wiki (talk) 03:35, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Please also provide a reliable source so that the information may be verified. Rivertorch (talk) 18:59, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Administrative structure?

I have been reading some historical records (birth, death and marriage records, possibly maintained by the British) that refer to Hyderabad being in Madras, at least in a period covered by records that lie in the range from 1889 to 1938. There is no mention of Madras in either this article or History of Hyderabad. Can anyone comment on this? hamiltonstone (talk) 04:40, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, are they referring to Madras Presidency? Technically it should not because Hyderabad state was not directly ruled by the British.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:23, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps User:Fowler&fowler can throw some light?--Dwaipayan (talk) 23:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

F&f would likely have a better answer but I would suggest that this was because the British people posted to the princely states in the south would likely have their records maintained by the Madras Presidency -- in the case of Hyd state they could have actually been recorded either by the Madras or Central Provinces administrations. The reason being that while they had people in their employ posted in the various princely states, the main administrative activity was conducted at the various presidencies and provincial administrations. —SpacemanSpiff 04:33, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Spaceman's suggestion sounds feasible and yes, I now have information indicating the records were maintained by the Madras Presidency.hamiltonstone (talk) 04:46, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd have to know more about the records. Generally speaking, Hyderabad state, Kashmir, Mysore and Baroda were the four large princely states managed directly by the Government of India in Calcutta until 1931, and in New Delhi thereafter. Smaller states, such as those in the Rajputana Agency or Central India Agency etc were managed by the agent (in-chief) of the Governor-General of India in those respective regions, with political agents or residents under him stationed in the individual states. Still smaller states were managed by the provincial governments. In the case of the Madras Presidency, they were Travancore, Cochin, and a couple of minor ones. In other words, even though the Crown was the official suzerain, the Madras Presidency was the de facto suzerain of these states.

The Britons in the princely states consisted mainly of army men and their families, and the much smaller staff of the Resident's office. I don't know this for sure, but I'm guessing that army garrisons in Hyderabad had their headquarters in Madras (the city and capital of Madras Presidency). So it could be that those records were maintained there. Also, the Government of India in Calcutta, Hyderabad's direct suzerain, had bigger things to worry about, so it is possible they might have farmed out the smaller tasks (recording births and deaths) to the nearest province, as Spaceman is suggesting. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

PS If you are talking about the Census of India, however, off the top of my head, I'm not sure where the records for Hyderabad would have been kept. I know that in most cases the princely states themselves bore the costs of the operations within their territories. You could skim through the 1891 census general report, especially pages 283 to 288. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

PPS As you will see here, the Madras command of the British Indian Army comprised the Madras presidency, the British garrisons in Hyderabad, Mysore and Burma. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Protect article from vandal IP editors

May someone lock/protect the article from vandal IP and seasonal Popup ediotrs. It is becoming difficult to check those edits regularly, otherwise the article will lose its comprehensiveness. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 06:10, 9 December 2013 (UTC)}}

I am not an administrator, so I cannot protect the page but requests for page protection should be placed at WP:RFPP. :) Darylgolden^(talk) 08:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Omer, I've filed a report at the WP:RPP for a longer duration protection. I've noticed that, to get an indefinite protection, there needs to be a clear sign of persistent disruptive edits despite multiple previous short duration attempts over an extended period of time...so it's best to wait. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:51, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and prompt action. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:05, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Photo mosaic

Editor Rithwik1997 has just changed the photomosaic. I wanted to say that I really like the new one, but the editor's captions are not OK and have created a bunch of unnecessary redlinks. I'd rather we fixed the captions than reverted the image changes, though. Cheers, hamiltonstone (talk) 11:08, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I like it too, are you listening Rithwik1997? I've fixed most of the redlinks with the exception of "Lanco Hills", there's no mention of it in here let alone it having its own article. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree, it is nice, but not up to FA standards, it could have license issues as it is not verified and not even categorized, and the source of images is not mentioned. Secondly most of the structures he added are half cut which gives no meaning, for instance I-labs, the bottom left corner image etc. It will be very nice of Rithwik1997 if he could add the sources of those images, categorize, and very as required by FA articles. Hope you all may understand the requirement. Apology for reverting your all good work. Better to delay rather than any licensing task. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2014

Update the Hyderabad Location to Telangana from Andhra Pradesh, Its capital of Telangana 29 th state of India K.n.narin (talk) 16:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: Currently, see time stamp, the bill proposing the new state has been sent to the President, but has not yet been approved. As I understand it, even when the Bill is passed, Telangana does not come into existence immediately. We will wait until the state actually exists before "moving" Hyderabad. - Arjayay (talk) 17:52, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Times of India report

"After the President gives his assent, the legislation will be notified in the central gazette. It will come into effect from the date of publication of the gazette or any date set by the central government."

"If all goes well, two states - Telangana and the residuary state of Andhra Pradesh, will come into existence by month-end" - Arjayay (talk) 18:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Montage Update

I've updated the montage with many new images. I feel the new montage is more bright and colourful than the previous one. Suggestions are welcome. Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle ^sorties 16:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

May 2014

Lead section is too long, place some content in their respective sections.Vin09 (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:Leadlength, four paras is enough for such a lengthy article; as such, I don't see any problem with it. Also, this has undergone a thorough review here to reach Featured article status. Sincerely, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:56, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Category

There is no problem in adding the Category:Cities and towns in Telangana to this pages category, as the city is a part of the Telangana region (not a state till june 2). The Telangana page itself says its a region. So, Hyderabad can be categorized in the above category which do not reflect as a separate state and no need to wait till june 2.Vin09 (talk) 12:46, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

We need to wait for the reality! What's the hurry with you for the addition? You don't even seem to provide a substantial explanation as to why it needs to be included now! — Abhishek  ^Talk 13:15, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

i'm not in hurry, i just want to categorize it. Users reverting without any explanation. The city is a part of the region, that is the explanation. You can see Guntur district page is categorised under Coastal Andhra, does it mean coastal andhra is a separate state? it is just a region. There are also pages categorized under Rayalaseema. Rayalaseema is not a separate state. The same way I've categorized it under Telangana which is a region. If i'm wrong. Let's close it here(talk) 13:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Support Vin09 - the region already exists, and AFAIK it has done since 1956. As the opening line states "Telangana is a region in the state of Andhra Pradesh". The region includes several cities, and no-one has suggested the category should be deleted, so:-

1. Hyderabad is a city
2. It is in the region of Telangana
3. The addition of Category:Cities and towns in Telangana is clearly, absolutely correct - Arjayay (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

As per WP policy, an article's section is not a collection of links, please don’t be bias with encyclopedia; if "Guntur district" is categorized under Coastal Andhra it should not bother us and if you feel it is not correct go ahead and remove it rather than adding the regional cat's to all the articles. And for logical instance :- Please see the longstanding Indian FA article such as Kolkatta and Manglore and non-India FA such as Erie, Pennsylvania and Boston which are not categorized under any regional category, whereas if you see recently delisted Indian FA Chennai—(categorized as "Cities and towns in Tamil Nadu") and Bangalore—(categorized as "Cities and towns in Karnataka") they are categorized under regional category leading towards the loss of FA status, probably regional location sort of categorization are not at all required and will lead to spoil the status of article as FA. Hope you all are satisfied with my reply, otherwise let me know so that I can convince you some more. Thus with good faith removing both the regional categories "Telangana" and "Cities and towns in Telangana". Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:41, 26 May 2014 (UTC) --Omer123hussain (talk) 15:42, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

That is a totally erroneous attempt at justification

Whilst an article should not be a collection of links, categories are not links, they are methods of categorizing information, so that it can be found in many different ways. Look at the list at the bottom of this talk page to see how many categories even talk pages can be in. Please also look at the other entries in those categories, which show the diverse nature of categorization. I have reverted and will consider any further removal of blatantly correct categories to be vandalism. Arjayay (talk) 15:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

By studing most of the FA's It is understood that adding regional cat's are out of FA style. Thus re-storing to its orignal form until final concensus is created here. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:58, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

@Omer123hussain, your explanation of Mangalore page i saw, it is categorized under Indian Ocean, Mangalore is at arabian sea and Laccadive sea, and about Kolkata (categorized as "Cities and towns in West Bengal"), also the foreign cities which you stated do have same kind of categories as (cities in their respective states of Massachusetts for Boston and Pennsylvania), you may be right in your opinion but why the categories still exist if they are of no use.Vin09 (talk) 04:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

That is the reason I mentioned in my first revert edit, one shall have to wait until 02/06, as of now Hyderabad is part of AP, so if we drag it into TG cat's it will be bias, and if we mention AP and TG cat's it will be a junk. I am not against adding TG cat's as far as it is fair, but one should be fair to understand that as of now we are part of AP. Please understand and wiat for 02/06. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 04:14, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Common capital

As per the reorganization bill Hyderabad is part of Telangana and Telangana govt is responsible for the city of Hyderabad. City's MLAs are members of Telangana assembly. Though its common capital, Andhra Pradesh state have no rights or responsibilities on Hyderabad city. We have special section for common capital but does not clarify what it means. If we dont specify reader can assume that both governments have equal rights and responsibilities to the city.

The state reorganization bill says ..

3. On and from the appointed day, there shall be formed a new State to be known as the State of Telangana comprising the following territories of the existing State of Andhra Pradesh, namely:- Adilabad, Karimnagar, Medak, Nizamabad, Warangal, Rangareddi, Nalgonda, Mahbubnagar, Khammam and Hyderabad districts, and thereupon the said territories shall cease to form part of the existing State of Andhra Pradesh..

We need to include this para to in the common capital section for clarification. Ramcrk (talk) 03:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 8 June 2014

Anu Gold (talk) 14:59, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:07, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Which state Hyderabad in?

I reverted the change because, Hyderabad is in Telangana state and Telangana state makes the budget, Telangana police is responsible for law and order, Hyderabad MLAs are members of Telangana assembly. It may be common capital for both the states and AP get to use facilities in Hyderabad until it build it capital but it does not have any administrative control on the city. If somebody broke into AP secretariate or AP CMs residence in Hyderabad, Telangana police will investigate the crime. All the services in Hyderabad will be provided by Telangana state. The postal address of everybody in Hyderabad say Telangana state. Ramcrk (talk) 05:23, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

@Ramcrk: Agree. Absolutely valid point.

@Dav subrajathan.357: If you think otherwise, make a valid point here instead of revert warring. — LeoFrank  ^Talk 12:46, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

The city is in Telengana, so that's what the box should say. However, a citation on the governance would be a good idea before we definitively decide how it is governed. --regentspark (comment) 13:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Here is the news link where Telangana CM talking to officials regarding development projects in Hyderabad(GHMC, HMDA). Here is another link where Telangana CM is picking his top team of bureaucrats including Hyderabad police commissioner(city's top cop). Here is Telangana govt web site(site is not fully functional. Still in transition phase). Ramcrk (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Update palce to Hyderabad,Telangana State

86.96.226.5 (talk) 08:23, 6 July 2014 (UTC) Dear Sir,

Please edit the Hyderabad,Andrapradesh to Hyderabad,Telangana.Now hyderabad is in the new state of Telangana please update the place as soon as possible.

Thanking you and best regards Karthik

Hi Karthik. Hyderabad, Telangana already redirects to this article. --regentspark (comment) 11:18, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2014

Please change the Hyderabad from Andhra pradesh state to Telangana. Still its showing in Andhra Prdesh only.

Please do the required modification

101.59.17.252 (talk) 17:45, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

 Not done I can't see anywhere that it states Hyderabad is still in Andhra Pradesh. AP is mentioned in the history, because Hyderabad was in AP for so long. It is also mentioned in the section on it being the joint capital. If there is a specific use of AP that worries you, please tell us exactly which section it is in, and what the text around it is. - Arjayay (talk) 17:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2014

HYDERABAD, TELANGANA STATE

124.123.197.230 (talk) 19:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

 Not done - The article clearly states that, several times, and we don't use CAPITALS. Arjayay (talk) 15:15, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2014

Hyderabad is in Telanaga but capital for both states for 10 years 49.207.202.48 (talk) 16:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

 Not done The article clearly states:-

Hyderabad is the largest city in the South Indian state of Telangana. Currently, Hyderabad is the common capital of Telangana and Andhra Pradesh states, an arrangement that is scheduled to last for a maximum of ten years.

What point are you trying to make? - Arjayay (talk) 16:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Update Hyderabad as capital city of Telangana with hyperlink Telangana

Currently in this article, it says Hyderbad is the largest city in the south indian state opf telangana,update this as Hyderabad is the capital city of telangana and one of the largest city in south india, and also it says Hyderabad is a common capital of "Telangana"(hyperlink this)and Andhrapradesh,please hyperklink Telangana here as maps are still picking up hyderabad,andhrapradesh instead of hyderabad,telangana due to unavailability of Hypelink — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiva.santosham (talk • contribs) 07:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)