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    December 22

    Submitting my article

    Hello,

    How do I publish my article on Wikipedia? This is the link to it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrustedCompany

    Best, Muzna

    MuznaKhan (talk) 06:28, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    MuznaKhan: TrustedCompany is already an article on Wikipedia. However, it is in danger of being deleted, as the references it cites are to directory entries and to material created by people connected with the subject, and may be judged insufficient to establish its notability. Maproom (talk) 08:09, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Maproom: I have included notable articles from the web. What else can I include to keep it from being deleted?
    MuznaKhan: what you need to do is to establish that the subject (not the articles, the subject) is notable. You can do this by citing reliable independent published sources, with significant discussion of the subject. You have cited directory listings which do not discuss the subject at all, and articles based on press releases which are not independent. For such a small company, based on $1,250,000 of seed capital, it is unlikely that satisfactory sources exist. Maproom (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    About a username

    Is an email address an acceptable username? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:44, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    There is (at least) one longstanding and regular editor who has an eMail as his username and has been allowed to keep it as the account was established long before the rules were changed. See WP:U, eMails are considered under promotional. Eagleash (talk) 10:41, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Twinkle

    I have got a new gadget WP:Twinkle. I´m rollbacker on cs and sk wiki, but - Twinkle is a hundred times harder :). What are the options, outside reverting and welcoming? --OJJ (talk) 07:32, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    The options are explained on the documentation page: WP:Twinkle/doc. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Creating New Company Page

    I am creating company page but it's making some difficulties for me, that how to upload any article , how to add contents. I Need full guidelines for creating a company page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajith028 (talk • contribs) 13:06, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    There are many useful links on your user talk page. Start with WP:Your first article, which in turn has many more useful links. Try reading WP:Notability and WP:NCORP to decide whether the company is notable in Wikipedia's terms. You also need to read WP:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:23, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Oops!

    I made this by accident. Can you help me quick delete it? Thanks, Leschnei (talk) 13:31, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hey Leschnei. I tagged the page for deletion and an admin will come along and mop it up in short order. There's actually very little that can be done on Wikipedia that can't be fairly easily fixed. So no worries. TimothyJosephWood 13:42, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks User:Timothyjosephwood. And now I know exactly what to put on the page, so I can take care of it myself next time - thanks for that too! Leschnei (talk) 13:44, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Leschnei: No problemo. If it makes you feel better, an admin once accidentally deleted the main page, and even that was fixable. TimothyJosephWood 13:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    new IP address

    I'd been 208.95.51.72 for months, but yesterday our wireless network went down and I've had to start using an Ethernet cable. Is that why I'm now on a different IP address? 208.95.49.163 (talk) 14:50, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Probably. IP addresses are rarely permanent, and switch around frequently. That's one of the reasons it's a good idea to register for an account. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:59, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Google directions as references

    I'm working on improving Fulham Palace and the section on transport connections has multiple references to Google maps for walking directions. Not surprisingly, these links no longer work. My question is what to do with these sources and/or this section. My personal preference is to get rid of sections like this because it seems more appropriate to a museum website than an encyclopedia, but many (many, many) of our museum articles have them. Alternatively, I could remove the references, mark them as dead, or replace them (with what?). Any advice/opinions would be appreciated. Leschnei (talk) 14:59, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    I'd say remove the section altogether. We're not a travel guide; the coordinates at the top, or at most "Fulham Palace is next to Putney Bridge" is all any reader needs in order to find out how to get there, quite aside from the fact that we shouldn't be giving preferential treatment to the (commercial) Google Maps. ‑ Iridescent 15:02, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Works for me, thanks. Leschnei (talk) 15:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Editing 'Manifesto'

    Hi, my Wiki friends,

    I got a 'Manifesto' on Lyrical Expressionism, an expressionist trend "that shares with the "Expressionism" its personal and intuitive vision that gives priority to the expression of feelings in front of objective descriptions of reality..." (taken from the Manifesto itself) and I would like to publish it with the following licence: Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International (CC BY-NC-ND 4.0)

    Since it is not an article, but a 'Manifesto', Is it really necessary to chance this type of licence? In my opinion that I advance, no, because a 'Manifesto' is, as you know very well, a declaration, so nobody can change or modify it, but only the author.

    Please, tell me, how to do.

    Maybe I will need some help for editing.

    Thank you very much.José Freijanez (talk) 15:19, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi José Freijanez I think you may have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for posting manifestos, instead it is for people to write neutral tone articles about notable things on the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. In answer to your copyright question, that copyright licence is incompatible with Wikipedia, as all Wikipedia content needs to be licence using a licence which permits commercial and non-commercial uses. See here for compatible licences. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:32, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you very much, Joseph2302 , for your immediate response. I was confused by the fact that I read here a lot ON Manifesto, but now I realize that they were not direct publications of the Manifesto, but articles about Manifesto, and links to the Manifiesto itself. I am sorry. I beg your pardon.

    I take note of the link to compatible licences. Thank you very much.

    My questions now are: Can I edit an article on Lyrical expressionism? And can I receive some help?

    Best José Freijanez (talk) 16:44, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Can I edit an article on Lyrical expressionism that is an expressionist trend which has its own Manifesto? And can I receive some help for editing if necessary?

    Thank you very much in advance.José Freijanez (talk) 17:19, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    José Freijanez Please do not add new sections for each of your responses, merely edit this one by clicking on the editing link next to the heading. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 18:49, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Big misconception about yoga-meditation

    Sat Guru Gorakh !

    Greetings from the land of Mt. Everest & Buddha...

    To the editor, Wikipedia

    We appreciate your utmost perseverance for providing authentic information all the time. However, there has a lot of misconception in your site. It would be great if you amend the below texts (or publish the attached file) for the good reason. - Yogi Panchavedi !

    BIG MISCONCEPTION ABOUT YOGA....

    It is pity that people do not know- Nepal is the origin place of yoga- meditation. I will provide plenty of evidence. Please !

    Watch Himalaya View from Tushita- Nepal

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLXLa-nna4k 

    (a)   It is a big misconception among yoga practitioners that they say Guru or Baba to any humans with long beard and ashes in forehead. He can be your spiritual guide, master, teacher only. Guru is the Sanskrit word meaning ‘The Divine Light’ that erases darkness/ignorance. Guru and Baba are the holy word to be uttered while expressing love to Almighty Guru Gorakshanath, (Go=Universe and Rakh= care taker) the creator of the universe and nature.

    (b) Do you say doctorni to female doctor or engineerni to female engineer? No - ! So, why to say Yogini to female yogi. It is a human post / status received automatically when someone is well-cultured, disciplined, connected with the divine source and who lives in now and for others happiness.

    (c) People have wrong concept as if stretching body is yoga. Moreover, using mats do not let us to recharge our body energy with the mother earth. Scientists have discovered' the energy called Ions" that we can enhance health condition if we walk barefoot daily. This knowledge was already described in Vedas Verses as our body is full of electromagnetic currents and walking barefoot helps us in discharging and recharging earth' geo-magnetic currents in our body.

    (d) A yogi must follow the 5 code of moral ethics. No cheating, no telling lie, no gambling, no killings, no illicit love/sex, no wine-alcohol, tobacco, meat products are allowed for yogis who really wish to move in the peace path. 

                                                              TUSHITA-NEPAL YOGA RETREATS

                                                                          www.nepalyogaretreats.co  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nepalyogaretreats (talk • contribs) 15:34, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello Nepalyogaretreats (talk · contribs) and welcome to Wikipedia. If you think there is something inaccurate about one of our articles (you don't say which), then the best place to discuss changes is on the talk page of the article. Your username appears to be registered for a company rather than for an individual. This is against Wikipedia policy, so it has been blocked. If you intend to contribute constructively to Wikipedia then it would be wise to register an individual account, but please note that Wikipedia may not be used to advertise your company. Dbfirs 22:12, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Made Extensive Edits, but then they disappeared

    Hello,

    I had a question about editing a wiki article. I had just watched Season 5 of the sopranos and on the show's main page, I made extensive edits to the season 5 summary section. I added more detail and information. The edits were on the page for a few days, and then suddenly, the old summary appeared again.

    Did I do something wrong? Did I upset the original author of the summary?

    I honestly have forgotten what I wrote as the details are no longer fresh in my head, was just curious why someone would delete my more accurate and detailed edit.

    Thanks, Z — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzy3113 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, your edit was removed with this change. Obviously it was felt that the expansion was too detailed. If you disagree please discuss it on the article talk-page or that of the other editor. thank you. `Eagleash (talk) 15:43, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Jazzy3113, I agree that if you'd like to discuss the issue with the user who reverted your changes that it should be done on the article's talk page, which can be found at Talk:The Sopranos. That said, articles for the series itself normally don't have too much detail for specific seasons. Just think about what would happen to the size of the article on The Simpsons if we gave a detailed explanation of what happened in each season on the main article. That show has been going on for 20+ years! The main series article is normally kept to the larger plot points. If warranted, there are articles for individual seasons. That is the case here with The Sopranos (season 5). Though even there I don't see a recap of the season. Just episodes. And finally, in the end, you have to remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a fan site. So we may not list every detail of what happened. Instead we'll give the reader a general idea of what went on. †dismas†|(talk) 20:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    2017 NCAA Division I FBS Template

    I Made a template in the talk category but can you move it to the draft article. 2600:8803:7A00:19:88:C3DD:EC9:CFB7 (talk) 19:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Guidelines for posting photos in BLP

    Are there specific guidelines (apart from copyright and general use of image) when putting images in to a WP:BLP? Jacquelyntwiki (talk) 20:54, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes. See WP:MUG for the guidelines. RudolfRed (talk) 21:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    New feature

    Can I opt out of that new feature in the search box? (the pink stuff). It affects the Shift key on my keyboard when I'm using a computer with Explorer. WQUlrich (talk) 23:14, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    To be specific, when I hit Shift, it sends the cursor to the bottom of the page...and I can't access the special characters on the top row at all. That doesn't happen with Firefox or Google Chrome, but I don't always have a computer available with those browsers. WQUlrich (talk) 00:10, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure what new feature you're talking about? Is this specific to Wikipedia or just Internet Explorer more generally? I'm not aware of any 'pink stuff' when searching on Wikipedia from Internet Explorer. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:42, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    When you do a search in the box at the top of the page, on Wikipedia, the words you type in are highlighted in pink boxes! This only happens after I log in. I know it's not my computer, as I use several different ones. It just started doing that two days ago. WQUlrich (talk) 01:02, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    It's caused by a change [1] to GoogleTrans at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. You can disable it or see User:Endo999/GoogleTrans#New Version of GoogleTrans Now In Production: 22/12/2016. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Sherman Oaks Galleria

    Sherman Oaks Galleria (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

    Hello,

    I was reading your article regarding the Sherman oaks galleria, and there is a glaring error in it.

    It states that the sole remaining area of the old Galleria is the arclight/pacific theater. That is incorrect. There are several areas of the old galleria that still remain, however, the entire building that the theater resides in was demolished during re-development in 1999-2002 and constructed a new. I know this because I was one of the engineers on site from 1997 to the present and was intimately involved in the demolition/construction project that your article refers to.

    thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.183.66.90 (talk) 23:50, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for this userful information. Would you happen to have a link to a website or page with additional information regarding this. Thanks! Tiggerjay (talk) 00:43, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    December 23

    Inclusion in subcategory negating inclusion in parent category?

    Hi. I admit that after more than 11 years here categories still confound me. My excuse is that I typically avoid them like the plague, since a lot of the time they are unsourced (inline citations are not strictly speaking possible, right?) and as a result I am not experienced. What I do know is that someone off-wiki complained about how "American women writers" were not being included in "American writers" because inclusion in the former implied inclusion in the latter.

    Our Bai Juyi article is currently included in Category:Three Hundred Tang Poems poets and also in Category:Tang dynasty poets. Is this an error that I should correct?

    Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:48, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:DUPCAT has exceptions and it often seems like a judgment call. incategory:"Three Hundred Tang Poems poets" incategory:"Tang dynasty poets" shows seven articles in both categories. I don't know whether this is random or based on some evaluation. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:28, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, the former is a closed list that was defined by inclusion in a specific 18th-century collection, while the latter is poets who were active and/or lived during a particular dynastic period. I'm an inclusionist when it comes to categorizing poets who wrote almost all their notable work in the Five Dynasties period after the fall of the Tang, but who were technically alive during the Tang Dynasty, but I guess in theory if the compiler of the Three Hundred Tang Poems held a similar view to me (I don't know) then we would have articles in the "Three Hundred" category that in some Wikipedians' view would not belong in the "Tang poets" category, but for all intents and purposes the one is entirely a subcategory of the other. But actually, of the seven article you mention, four of them are my fault, because I copied the Bai Juyi categories into several other articles I wrote before realizing that there was some unnecessary overlap between them. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:04, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    The basic principle is that you shouldn't put an article in a parent and a child category (or a child and a farther-back ancestor), as illustrated in the image I've just placed in this section; otherwise you could put massive amounts of content into basic categories (imagine how full Category:Earth would be, for example!), which defeats the whole purpose of having subcategories. If you want additional information, go to Commons and read Commons:COM:OCAT for a much better explanation of the same principle — I've never seen a writeup here of similar quality. Nyttend (talk) 13:48, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe the whole "American women writers" vs "American writers" debacle occurred because someone came along in the middle of "American writers" being split into separate categories for women and men, such that "American writers" temporarily contained only men. We now have Category:American women writers and Category:American male writers, both subcats of Category:American writers. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 11:13, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Secret's talk page

    What happened to the user talk page for the account formerly known as "Secret (renamed)" or "Jaranda"? User talk:RenamedUser jaskldjslak901 properly has the history of its former name, User talk:Secret, Jaranda redirects to User talk:RenamedUser jaskldjslak904 (where the earlier history of Jaranda is), and Secret (renamed) redirects to User talk:RenamedUser jaskldjslak903 (where almost no history is). I checked User talk:RenamedUser jaskldjslak902 (non-extant) and User talk:RenamedUser jaskldjslak905 (unrelated editor), as well as checking the deleted edits in the histories of all pages concerned, but if Secret (renamed)'s talk page ever had more than nine edits, I can't find them. Nyttend (talk) 14:07, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    page for Christine Chubbuck

    Hi - I have been trying to include the following line in the 'Popular Culture' section: In 2014, a song was written to honor the life of Chubbuck, titled "Christine (I Wish I Could Have)" with a reference to its YouTube page, however another editor keeps removing this line and has told me that I can't include it - is there any reason why it can't be included? Thanks 1.129.97.1 (talk) 14:15, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Like most "in popular culture" content, it's not integrally related to the subject of the article: you need to have solid sourcing (not YouTube) mentioning it and tying it to the subject of the article. We can produce lots of miscellaneous facts about lots of people, but without a secondary source specifically addressing the fact as a significant part of the person's legacy, it's basically not appropriate to decide for ourselves that the fact is a significant part of the person's legacy. Nyttend (talk) 14:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes. YouTube videos WP:YOUTUBE in general are not considered "reliable sources" WP:RS for WP. You would need to find a notable source stating and supporting the claim you're inserting within the article: " ... a song was written to honor the life of Chubbuck, titled "Christine (I Wish I Could Have)". You may link the YouTube in the External links if you choose; but definitive statements of fact need more substantial citations to be included within an article body. FYI aside from the inclusion on WP, I am not finding this claim anywhere except those that revert back to this WP article. Could you please provide an original source? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 14:36, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    How to get I my personal profile on Wikepedia? Thanks.

    How to get my personal profile on Wikipedia?

    thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.22.55.70 (talk) 15:04, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Practice. Herostratus (talk) 15:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    That typically doesn't help. Instead my advice would be, become famous. -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:15, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    ... and, of course, you need to know that Wikipedia doesn't allow "personal profiles" in article space, as implied above. Dbfirs 16:41, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tigraan: Herostratus was referring to the old joke about the musician hurrying along the street on their way to [Carnegie Hall]] but having never been there before, and not quite knowing the way. They stopped a local and asked, "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" And the answer was "practice" --S Philbrick(Talk) 18:51, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Carnegie_Hall#Carnegie_Hall_joke (looks like I butchered it a bit, but I got the essence.)--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:54, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Rules regarding other editor's contribs?

    Is there a rule about checking other editor's contributions and perhaps going in after them and editing other things? Not touching their edits but using their contrib as a means to getting more exposure to pages you otherwise might not find? Even if I'm doing constructive edits? --Jennica✿ / talk 15:33, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:HOUND is probably as close as you'll get. -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:40, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    The one time in days I look at your edits, and you're asking for official word if you can still follow me around. Jennica, I have told you I don't like you following my edits. I didn't say you were attacking me, but I've made it clear I don't like it and that you should find other topics to edit yourself. You don't have free reign to make people feel uncomfortable on a "public domain", even if that isn't your intention, and I've said it makes me uncomfortable because you persistently do it for no real reason other than you want to make more edits. Say I'm overreacting all you like; I don't think I'm being unreasonable. Ss112 15:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ss112: I just don't feel like I'm doing anything wrong. I am not reverting you edits. Like someone else said, he thought we were working in tandem. You yourself said my edits were "pretty helpful". And I'm pretty sure the other day, you went behind my edits and actually changed them [Chart positions -> Charts], even though I got word from the person who wrote the MOSALBUM that it should be "Charts". I do gnome-ish fixes. You do primarily charts stuff. If I go to a page you went on and the reflist is 50 long, in one single line, why does it bother you that I change it? Like, have you even looked at what kind of edits I'm doing? Next time I edit a page, should I make sure SS112 hasn't touched it because he will get offended if I do? It's not harassment. Wikipedia is a public domain. I'm doing nothing to "harm" you. --Jennica✿ / talk 15:51, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't say you were reverting my edits. I know what you're doing on the pages I've edited. I didn't say you couldn't edit pages I've ever edited, jeez. That would be unreasonable. I asked you to stop looking at my contributions for ideas on what to edit. Someone's edits aren't a catalogue for you to look at and go, "what's that? That's interesting. I need to broaden my palate." Yes, I know what this site is. I didn't say nobody could ever look at my edits. I know it's publicly available to look at. But Wikipedia is a public domain that is privately owned, and there are rules, and I feel you're hounding me (which is quite in line with what that page says), which is against the rules, so please stop. If someone asks you to stop following them, isn't the decent thing to respect that request? Ss112 15:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Offer

    Jennica, you may want to change around who you follow on a weekly(?) basis. If you'd like to follow my edits for a week or so (till the end of the year), I'm good with that. Anyone else want to volunteer for the week after that?Naraht (talk) 16:04, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Heh. Naraht I never thought of what I was doing was "harassment" in anyway. Other people who's contribs I check have thanked me. I'll look at yours lol --Jennica✿ / talk 16:08, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with Naraht. Jennica, if you choose to follow me around, improving artilces that I have been editing, I certainly shan't complain. Maproom (talk) 09:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. Take it to your talk pages, and failing a peaceful resolution, to WP:ANI or whatever place that will entertain such disputes. TigraanClick here to contact me 16:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    I asked a question about a policy. --Jennica✿ / talk 16:08, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    You failed to answer on your talk page. I didn't want to even post here, because I don't see why you did. It is a silly dispute because as Timothyjosephwood said above, the sensible thing is to respect reasonable requests to stop following someone when you have no need to. Ss112 16:10, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Tigraan: Now that's a bit harsh don't you think? Just because were forbidden from biting the new comers, doesn't mean we're given free reign to bite the old timers when they ask a question.
    Jennica, if you're ever really in need of something to do, you can always check out one of our several dozen backlogs at Wikipedia:Backlog. TimothyJosephWood 16:14, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Resubmitting - starting over or recovering from years ago

    A few years ago I submitted a topic that was rejected because of the lack of external documentation. I would like to resubmit, but thinking it would be easier just to start over. Suggerstions? Tmk45112 (talk) 15:41, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hey Tmk45112. I assume you are referring to KEEL Technology, which looks like it was deleted as an abandoned draft after six months of inactivity. It seems like the first thing you should figure out, is whether there are enough sources now in order to demonstrate that the subject meets Wikipedia's notability standards.
    If you think there is, and you think it would be helpful to start with your old draft instead of starting again, you can request that the deleted draft be restored by an administrator. However, it may take some time for an administrator to answer your request, so if the draft was quite short, it may be quicker just to start from scratch. TimothyJosephWood 15:58, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Timothyjosephwood: The request for undeletion was made nearly 3 days ago, but that is one of the pages where there is a backlog waiting for admin attention. There is no hurry, of course. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:26, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah. No hurry in anything other than the fact that somebody needs to recruit about 50 more people who can pass an RfA. TimothyJosephWood 16:29, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
     Done For what it's worth, I used to spend some time at WP:REFUND. I stopped, largely because it seemed mostly cut up and occasionally I ran into crosspost when trying to restore so I moved to other areas with more significant backlogs. I notice that the page is not listed in {{Admin dashboard}} nor even in Template:Admin_dashboard#Administrative_backlog. Any good reason for the omission?--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:30, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    After looking closer, just about everything has a timely response and it was only Keel that seem to slip through the cracks.--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:33, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Template for references suspect of WP:citogenesis?

    Is there a template to tag a reference to mean it could have been copied from the Wikipedia article from before it was added?

    I am having a bit of fun with the Citation Hunt tool and it happens a lot to come across instances where a WP:RS uses language suspiciously close to WP's. Sometimes, the reference popped up before the exact wording was introduced, so one can assume it was a case of editing without adding sources, but when the WP wording predate the source's you are supposed to assume the source double-checked. The more bizarre the WP language at the time and the more closely copied it was, the more likely a citogenesis seems. Is there a way to tag this? TigraanClick here to contact me 17:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Tigraan. It looks like the closest thing currently available is {{Verify credibility}}, and then insert an explanation for your citogenesis concern in the reason= parameter. TimothyJosephWood 17:43, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Second opinion

    Could someone take a look at the talk page section Claim of "This article has multiple issues" for Tallahassee bus boycott article. I am not understanding the page curator. Not sure if I'm overlooking something or the curator is having a bad day. Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 19:37, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    I think this may just be a bit of confusion. Robert McClenon mentions using Wikipedia as a link, but it doesn't look like the article does, or ever did. Maybe there were some crossed wires on which article was being discussed? TimothyJosephWood 19:54, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    My mistake. Result of a complicated but acceptable form of reference. Please ignore. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:58, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Robert McClenon: Could you please remove the tag at the top of the article then? Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 20:16, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
     Done No special requirements for removing cleanup tags, other than a good faith effort to see that the issues were resolved. TimothyJosephWood 20:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. Mitchumch (talk) 20:26, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]


    December 24

    Talk page archive help?

    I have an archive set up on my talk page and in the edit history of it, it does say things are being archived... but my archive page is blank. The setup was a little confusing so maybe someone else has some insight? Thanks --Jennica✿ / talk 03:13, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Quick look, things are a mess in your archives.... Just see Special:PrefixIndex/User_talk:Jennica/. I don't know where anything is supposed to go, but there it is.... Generally.... -- The Voidwalker Whispers 03:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    That being said, if you want things to be listed as "User talk:Jennica/Archive X", change | archive = User talk:Jennica/Archive 1/%(year)d/%(monthname)s to | archive = User talk:Jennica/Archive %(counter)d. Good luck with that though -- The Voidwalker Whispers 03:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks @The Voidwalker: - I changed the coding.. do you know how long it takes for it to become visible on one page? --Jennica✿ / talk 04:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Once the bot starts archiving to the new location. Also, pages here can be merged into User talk:Jennica/Archive 1 for consistency. -- The Voidwalker Whispers 17:09, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Using imdb.com as a Reliable reference for Actor/Actress Birthday/Family Names (Dec 2016)

    Hi HelpDesk, I have recently added children names for Catherine Belkhodja, a notable French film-maker. I took the children names from the French Wikipedia page, which does not have reference. So, I added imdb.com as a reference. Someone deleted the entire paragraph 2x without specifying where it says imdb is unreliable reference. You can view my discussion at Talk:Catherine Belkhodja. IMHO, imdb.com is a very reliable and popular database that contains many entertainer information. If I can't use imdb.com as a reliable reference, what options do I have? I want to find a reliable reference, how can I do that when this user keep deleting what I add into the article. I'm seeking a solution from you to keep the content. Your response is appreciated. SWP13 (talk) 06:33, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    See WP:Citing IMDB for a discussion on what is acceptable. I don't believe biographical details such as you want to add are subject to the editorial control we would need. I agree that IMDB is a popular database, but reliable? Not so much. Rojomoke (talk) 06:42, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    As one of many Wikipedians with an IMDb listing, I can testify that compared to Wikipedia, the content there (outside of some really high-profile performers and execs) does not have the requisite quality control. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:29, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    reference desk

    Does Wikipedia:CENSOR apply to the reference desk? Benjamin (talk) 08:15, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    As much as WP:BANREVERT, WP:RD3, and WP:NOTFORUM do. And especially WP:NPA. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    That IP is not me. Benjamin (talk) 09:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Problem with a template? Or PEBKAC?

    Hello,

    I recently translated a section from w:eo:Fina Venko to our article on the same subject (fina venko §§ Possible ways to achieve)...following the instructions on WP:Translation, I added a template to Talk:Finvenkismo. When I tried to put the section that I edited in the message though, it did not appear so now it seems like I'm claiming I edited the whole article which is not true. The weirdest part is that here on Template:Translated_page#Examples, the example template also is not showing the section being edited...am I doing something wrong, or is there something wrong with the template? I tried to edit the template to see the source code so I could maybe figure it out (i.e. WP:SOFIXIT), but (1) it's protected, and (2) I can't read the computer code in the template (I prefer to edit with VisualEditor. Great feature by the way, I never would have become an editor here without that. Wiki markup is my Achilles heel, but I know some of it now).

    Please help if you can --Psiĥedelisto (talk) 14:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Hey Psiĥedelisto. The section parameter you inserted is working fine for me. My guess is that you are thinking it's supposed to function in some particular manner that displays a section edit link. What it does is make the the word "contains" in the template a piped link to the section of the article you've specified, rather than to the article entire. With that clarification, is that function not working for you? On another, more important issue, that talk page template is just belt and suspenders for the far more critical copyright attribution, explained at WP:Translation, which is that you must provide copyright attribution in the article's edit history when you do a translation, by placing an edit summary explaining that you have translated material from another Wikipedia language article and hyperlink to that article (through an interlanguage link). This is the predominant method for complying with the attribution requirements of the free copyright licenses that Wikipedia's content is licensed under. Using a dummy edit, I have fixed the edit history to provide copyright attribution. Please keep this in mind for future translations, Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi, thank you, you're right, I didn't realize that the "contains" link linked to the section itself because the hover text only had the name of the article, but now I can see that you are correct. Thank you, and also for the dummy edit. I'll be sure to always write the correct edit summary in the future. --Psiĥedelisto (talk) 15:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    [edit conflict with Fuhghettaboutit] What is PEBKAC? To answer your question, the section is included in the first link — "contains" goes to Finvenkismo#Possible_ways_to_achieve in the article and Template:Translated_page#Accidents_and_incidents on the template. Meanwhile, this template's coding is hard compared to "normal" MediaWiki, basically because it depends on thing such as conditional code that will have different results depending on what you put in. Some template coding is easy to figure out; see Commons:Template:USCountyBuildingMat (remember that all WMF wikis use the same coding), which when I created it consisted of

    [[Category:Buildings in {{{2}}} County, {{{3}}}]] [[Category:{{{1}}} buildings in {{{3}}} by county|{{{2}}}]]

    I learnt that this way I could write {{USCountyBuildingMat|Brick|Vinton|Ohio}} and it would supply "Brick" wherever {{{1}}} appeared, "Vinton" in place of 2, and "Ohio" in place of 3. However, anything beyond that (e.g. type |1=abc and it puts in anything except "abc") and I'm helpless — and I've been here 10+ years and created more than two thousand templates (see [2] and click "older 500"), but I still don't know how to do this, and yet I can still function well, so don't think ill of your own abilities. Nyttend (talk) 15:11, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes thanks I understand now. (BTW: PEBKAC) Thanks for the template instructions also --Psiĥedelisto (talk) 15:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Psiĥedelisto, you're welcome. Also see WP:PF, which I meant to mention before but forgot. Nyttend (talk) 18:28, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

    I have added 2 new links in the Family tree diagram - near the end of this page. But I failed to DIRECTLY connect to the actual sections on the Lupton family page of these two people who have their own little sections on the Lupton family page - Olive Christiana Lupton and Francis Martineau Lupton. Please help. 101.182.188.199 (talk) 22:27, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    See WP:ANCHOR. †dismas†|(talk) 22:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Dismas

    I have tried to do - on only one of the 2 people - Olive Christian Lupton - what WP: ANCHOR has suggested - but it failed. PLEASE help me. 101.182.188.199 (talk) 22:44, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    The links should look something like [[Lupton family#Olive Middleton (née Lupton)|Olive Christian Lupton]] and possibly [[Lupton family#Francis Martineau and descendants|Francis Martineau Lupton]]. Cheers -- The Voidwalker Whispers 23:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Please help 

    I have failed to connect two names directly to a link page. See above entry. My mistake is all in red now 101.182.188.199 (talk) 23:33, 24 December 2016 (UTC)  thanks[reply]

    I have just added a fix per above, there is no need to start multiple threads. Thanks -- The Voidwalker Whispers 23:39, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    aus??

    why is this only about aus content,theres a world out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.123.31.199 (talk) 23:26, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Could you explain what you're talking about? Nyttend (talk) 00:45, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    December 25

    Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

    Box number 9 in the family tree section of this page should be spelt Olive CHRISTIANA Lupton - not "Christian". I am too scared to change. Thanks101.182.188.199 (talk) 08:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

     Done Eagleash (talk) 08:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    For the future, if you have a qwerty keyboard and you are looking for the "a" key, you'll find it at the left hand end of the second row of letters. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:22, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    ... and don't be scared of pressing it — it works just like it did last time, two letters earlier. Joking aside, thank you for adding the links. If you have similar problems in future, try using the "preview" facility and experiment until you get it right, or use your sandbox to experiment. Dbfirs 12:20, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Insignia / flag sizes in templates

    In the article Schutzstaffel, several specific navigation templates are included in the bottom section. Which size would be best to use for the insignia within these?--Hubon (talk) 20:34, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Referencing errors on Grand Pabos River

    Reference help requested.

    How can i fix this error? I dont know how! references are difficult


    Thanks, Simon Mer (talk) 00:51, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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