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Statement on NBA.com

Just wondering, but I went to Michael Jordan's biography on NBA.com, and no-where there does it say "By acclamation, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time."
(Sorry if I got the quote wrong, but hopefully you guys got the idea). Should this statement be removed?
-Izo, 02/03/2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.36.42 (talk)

Did you check the right link? It's the first sentence here, in bold. Zagalejo^^^ 03:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh I see. Here's another bio of MJ on nba.com: here. My bad. -Izo, 02/05/2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.36.42 (talk)

Jordan's weight

Trivial, but Jordan's official NBA.com page lists him at 216 lbs:

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=michael_jordan

8/23/11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hubertdavisfor3 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

We probably should go with that. I don't know where 215 comes from. Zagalejo^^^ 23:41, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Include mention MJ as nickname/moniker

 Done

Due to a dispute about a literal-minded interpretation of the guideline for disambiguation pages, can this page include an explicit mention of the initials "MJ" as a commonly used shorthand for refering to Jordan? I'm not sure about where to place this information in such a high-profile article like this. While I argue this is simple common sense and that WP:IAR should apply on the dab page, another editor disagrees and insists that there needs to be an explicit reference on this page in order to include Jordan on the MJ dab page. There are many references to "MJ" in the headline of blogs associated with quality news organizations, and also likely many to be found in actual news articles, though those need more careful parsing as "MJ" is less likely to appear in the headline. A few possible sources: "MJ scores with new steakhouse", Chicago Tribune; "Maya Moore talks WNBA playoffs", Toronto Sun Quote: the best basketball player in the world -- MJ himself. Yes, Michael Jordan; [http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Bobcats-owner-Jordan-still-cashing-in-130568103.html "Michael Jordan makes $60 million in endorsements", WCNC.com., Quote: MJ is still one of the most well-liked athletes in the world. older ≠ wiser 13:47, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Sure. Add to the lead perhaps?—Chris!_c/t 17:20, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

That's typically where such things go, though it just seems a little stupid to me to have to state something that's so obvious. Another possibility might be to introduce it at a later point, something like Jordan (known as "MJ" to fans and sports headline writers), etc.. older ≠ wiser 17:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I think this source is most explicit about MJ being a nickname. But I agree that it'll be awkward to add it here.. "Air Jordan" is at least discussed in context. Zagalejo^^^ 18:00, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I propose resolving this issue by adding the following sentence to the end of the lead section:

Jordan is sometimes referred to simply by his initials MJ.

Does anyone have any objections? (Disclosure: I am "other editor" mentioned in the original post, who asserts that "MJ" should be mentioned explicitly on this page if Jordan is to be included on the MJ DAB page.) Mitch Ames (talk) 13:14, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I won't fight it. It does seem like a weird thing to end the lead with. We'd probably need to restructure parts of the lead to make a better fit. But I guess it's good enough for right now. Zagalejo^^^ 22:17, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I did consider adding appending it to the sentence that mentions his nicknames "Air Jordan" and "His Airness", but that sentence is about his "leaping ability", not his nickname(s), so adding MJ there would look even sillier than adding a sentence to the end of the lead. Mitch Ames (talk) 23:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree that it wouldn't make sense there. Zagalejo^^^ 05:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Done. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

98-99 season

Why doesn't the article say anything about his 98-99 season? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.82.187.246 (talk) 22:27, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

He had retired before the season began. Zagalejo^^^ 01:04, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Peacocks

Re: statement "[Michael Jordan] was instrumental in popularizing the NBA around the world in the 1980s and 1990s". Please review Wiki policy and just state the facts. There also seem to be many other instances in this article. --Coolbb (talk) 19:39, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

That specific example is not puffery. There are plenty of sources that discuss his role in popularizing the NBA (see this and this, for a couple of examples.) Zagalejo^^^ 21:59, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

If you want to reword things, feel free, but I don't think that specific statement is egregiously bad. Zagalejo^^^ 23:23, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

So what popularised the nba, if not players? Chensiyuan (talk) 04:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Is it clearly a fact that Michael Jordan was instrumental in popularizing the NBA? Is it an opinion, but not clearly a fact? If the latter is the case, then shouldn't it be made clear that the sources consider such to be the case, rather than such necessarily actually being the case? Or is it sufficient to phrase opinions in a factual manner on Wikipedia as long as the opinions are sourced? --Coolbb (talk) 14:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I think its a fact but it needs backed up by sources. I know it was a fact that Michael Jordan was instrumental in popularizing the NBA, for me. I watched the NBA because of Jordan. It is also a fact that WGN-TV and WGN America which brought almost all Chicago Bulls and Michael Jordan's games to many homes via cable tv it also was instrumental in popularizing the NBA. This meant that almost every one in the USA could watch every game from like 1989 to 1993 Jordan and the Bulls played at or near their home. 1989 and 1990 they reached the Eastern Conf. Finals losing to Detroit then 1991-1993 was the Bulls 1st 3peat. Theworm777 (talk) 00:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

There's no doubt Jordan helped to inspire and popularize the NBA I think, but he didn't save the NBA. That was Magic and Bird. I think maybe changing it to say he was instrumental in inspiring fans- but he might not have gotten ratings higher. Any sources for NBA TV ratings from the mid-late eighties to the nineties? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.175.36 (talk) 21:35, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 January 2012

 (Update Info below)

He is a member of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity.

75.246.94.104 (talk) 06:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 22:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request

in the media sub category can you please mention that michael jordan starred in the michael jackson music video 'Jam' in 1991, and that they were good friends during this time.

Edit request on 7 February 2012

He is a member of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity.

75.216.248.107 (talk) 02:06, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

 Not done, source?--Jac16888 ^Talk 11:11, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 February 2012

I would like to change a few facts on the micheal jordan page

Howardboy1 (talk) 17:29, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.—Bagumba (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 May 2012

LeBron James just wont the Defensive Play of the Year award, as well as the MVP award. The article mentions that Jordan won both awards, and lists the players having accomplished the same feat, yet fails to include James. The article further notes that Jordan received both awards in the same year, again without mentioning that James equaled him in this regard.

Hubbah (talk) 15:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

James did not win the defensive player of the year award. Tyson Chandler did. Zagalejo^^^ 23:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 September 2012

No. 23, 45, 12, 9 65.95.218.187 (talk) 18:38, 29 September 2012 (UTC) No. 23, 45, 12, 9

Partly done:Added #12 since he wore that with the Bulls, did not add #9 as that was his Olympic number, which are not added to infoboxes Rikster2 (talk) 19:33, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 September 2012

Numbers : 23, 45 65.95.218.187 (talk) 18:39, 29 September 2012 (UTC) Number: 23, 45, 12, 9

Not done: Duplicate of previous request.—Bagumba (talk) 05:46, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Popularizing basketball?

Michael Jordan didnt popularize or save basketball, as this one sided article suggests. 72.74.175.36 (talk) 20:29, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

It's seems reasonably supported by the source. If you have reliable counterpoints, they can be added for neutrality.—Bagumba (talk) 20:46, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Jordan was a great player, but he didnt save the sport. Basketball's popularity was down in the 80's, Bird and Magic saved it, and Jordan maintained that popularity. I am not saying Jordan didnt help make basketball like it is today, i am just saying that he didnt save the sport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.175.36 (talk) 00:17, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Does the article say he "saved" basketball? Zagalejo^^^ 01:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Checking...checking...oops. No. Sorry, I was thinking of a recent book I read. Forgive me. 72.74.175.36 (talk) 21:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Bobcats?

Could someone put in a sentence about Jordan being in charge of basketball operations for the Bobcats when they had their record losing season? Honestly, this article is biased 72.74.175.36 (talk) 00:29, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

That seems fair to mention. I've added a bit. Zagalejo^^^ 01:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Coincidentally, Jordan was a part of the team with the highest and lowest winning percentages in NBA history, during the year of their record-setting percentage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.175.36 (talk) 15:50, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request

Article has him as second in all time steals behind John Stockton. Jason Kidd passed him last year — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.49.104.44 (talk) 02:52, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks! Zagalejo^^^ 04:21, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Article says that he is the 2nd best NBA player of all-time after Jarvis Varnado???? It looks like a fan is promoting Mr. Varnado. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penthrift (talk • contribs) 08:56, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

That bit of vandalism was removed. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:02, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Template spam

I have removed the huge amount of template spam that we see here - we have limits Wikipedia:Template limits - pls think of our readers before adding 44 templates to a page. Just crazy. Perhaps split them up - add awards to the actual awards pages etc.... Plus we need Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball to get there act together and fix there templates to follow our basic policies on accessibilityMoxy (talk) 19:08, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

You don't seem to understand what spam means in Wikipedia, please see WP:SPAM. WP:Navigation templates allow readers to navigate between articles. I am aware of Wikipedia:Template limits, but this article hasn't reach the limit yet, so why should we worry about that. Just because you dislike them, doesn't mean you could remove without discussion.—Chris!_c/t 20:54, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

44 templates is spam in the literal meaning without dough (commons sense). Would be best to have things like award templates in the article that is actually about awards and achievements - this would be logical. But if this is the norm in these type of article - as with the templates that need to be fixed for accessibility - not much I can say I guess to change things - back to history and genetics for me. I have reverted the removal of the mass of templates. Moxy (talk) 21:23, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

How can readers navigate from this page to other articles if these navigation templates are placed in the awards and achievements article? That is the problem of your suggestion.—Chris!_c/t 21:29, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

There is an article about "awards and achievements" that is linked along with all the main awards from this page already. Secondly the templates are about his awards and achievements thus should be in the related article. I have looked at other articles and see this is a problem all over Bball articles (dont normally edit sports articles). Lets look at another pop culture type article that is FA level that had this problem a few years ago like The Beatles - note how the templates are directly related to the subject. I simply dont see how templates linking hundreds and hundreds of name including ones like Tom Seaver - Wayne Gretzky - Lance Armstrong are helpful. But like I said if its the norm here O well.Moxy (talk) 21:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC) Moxy (talk) 21:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

We could probably do with a little bit of navbox housekeeping. The Miami Heat navbox is a bit of a stretch; I think the only reason that one is included is because the Heat retired (or honored) Jordan's jersey number. The magazine awards are often redundant to the NBA's own awards, so the navboxes don't really add much. Zagalejo^^^ 21:54, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

That "Template Limits" article should be re-written in English since this is English Wikipedia. I can't tell that it says much of anything. Templates aren't spam, but I agree with Zagalejo that templates like the Miami Heat shouldn't include MJ anyway. Rikster2 (talk) 22:11, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I am open to some housekeeping to remove unnecessary navboxes.—Chris!_c/t 22:14, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I've seen ad hoc nomaination deletions at WP:TFD, but it would help if we had general understanding within WP:NBA of what we are trying to achieve with nav templates, and when they should be used be used and when a wikilink to the top level article is sufficient. WP:NAVBOX says, "The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent." For this reason, NBA championship rosters are OK, and definitely a high and rare achievement. I always wondered about {{1984 NBA Draft}} and the like. Do we really need to navigate through the whole draft? {{NBA minutes leaders}} seems downright trivial. I can see how a navbox of related topics is helpful like {{NBA Awards}}. I'm beginning to wonder about navboxes that merely enumerate lists of winners of award or honors, when the award/honor is already linked in the prose.—Bagumba (talk) 22:29, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

What do you think the odds are WP:Bball would fix there templates to comply with our basic accessibility policies like WP:NAVBOXCOLOUR = navboxes whose colors conflict with each other, background colors should contrast the text color enough to make the template easily readable.....and WP:COLOR = Links should clearly be identifiable as a link to our readers? Moxy (talk) 00:08, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I would support it, though it's not my area of expertise/interest to work on coloring. There was a discussion a week ago for colors used for one team—an unreadable red text on black background; it was changed to white text. The current color scheme reuses colors used by the respective teams in real life; not sure if accessibility was taken into consideration.—Bagumba (talk) 06:38, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I see by that talk the project is not aware of our basic policies on the matter. Never hide links just to have nice colors(Help:link color) - will write a small proposal that explains our accessibility polices - and then see what happens.Moxy (talk) 20:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good. Might be best if you place your proposal at WT:NBA.—Bagumba (talk) 21:16, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

He played over 3000 games in his live/career — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.224.59 (talk) 22:01, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't see where the 3,000 figure comes from. Even if you combine his pro and college careers, and include playoff and NCAA Tournament games, he doesn't come close to 3,000 games played, and I don't think the most experienced veteran would either. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:08, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

It would take a average of 100 games a year for 30 years to play 3000 games. He would still be playing this season to play 30 years in the NBA. Jordan has played 15 years and 1231 games (with play-offs) in the NBA. In his 3 years of college he played 101 games and in high school he was JV his sophomore year so at max he played 160 games in high school if he even played on a freshman team. If he played in youth leauges, counted pre-season, national team (Olympics) and exhibition games he would still be under 2000 games. Theworm777 (talk) 07:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Correction: 1993 Super Bowl Ad

Page currently reads: "A Nike commercial shown during the 1993 Super Bowl XXVII featured Jordan and Bugs Bunny playing basketball against a group of Martian characters." This is incorrect; the ad features Bugs and Michael playing against four humans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.34.245.155 (talk) 00:15, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

The reference didn't give that level of detail about the commercial, so that probably shouldn't have been included to begin with. That wasn't even the worst issue: the ad aired before the 1992 Super Bowl, not in 1993 (the Jordan–Larry Bird HORSE commerical aired then). Thanks for bringing this up; I've made corrections accordingly, although the sources I've found don't go into detail about who Jordan and Bugs were playing against. That can be added if a good source is found. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:15, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request - Pro Playing Career

This is a small detail, but currently, in the infobox at the top of the page, it lists Jordan's "Pro playing career" as 1984-2003. Shouldn't it really read "1984-1993, 1995-1998, 2001-2003." I know it makes the listing longer, but it really is more accurate: Jordan was not a pro in 1994, 1999, or 2000. I guess another way to do it would be "Pro playing career: 1984-2003 (inactive 1994, 1999-2000)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.169.21.1 (talk) 19:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you that it would be more accurate, but the infobox parameters make it hard to list the years in that way. The parameters are "career start" and "career end", which doesn't take into account the possibility of players like Jordan who retire and then return after a period away from basketball. The current listing appears to be the best that is possible under the circumstances. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

"...even under adverse circumstances"

"Jordan was known throughout his career for being a strong clutch performer. He decided numerous games with last-second plays (e.g., The Shot) and performed at a high level even under adverse circumstances (e.g., Flu Game)"

This is one unsourced statement that always made me scratch my head. Call me crazy, but I can't think of any other game in Jordan's career where he faced "adverse conditions" like in the Flu Game. Not that that's a bad thing - one of the truly extraordinary aspects of Jordan's career was his durability. Aside from his second season in the league, Jordan never missed more than 4 games in a season with the Bulls. He never had to play through ankle sprains, pulled groins, achy knees, bone spurs in his shooting elbow, etc. The one season where he did get hurt, he did exactly what you would expect from a player going through an injury: relatively poor performance when playing hurt, mediocre performance upon his return, and then steady improvement over the following month until he was back at full strength.

I can't find a reliable source that discusses Jordan's durability. If someone else can, I would suggest adding a sentence about that. But the "adverse circumstances" line should be removed unless it can be sourced--and, preferably, supported by a couple more examples and/or a clarification of what "adverse circumstances" means. Niremetal (talk) 02:29, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Those are both valid points. I removed the adverse circumstances bit and added a stat on his game-winning shots with the Bulls. There was at least one he had with the Wizards, but I can't find a source that ties it to the Bulls game-winners, so I left it out for now. Also, I found a New York Times article that cited the stat you mentioned, so I added a sentence on his durability as you suggested. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Certainly adverse circumstances would imply sickness or injury. I suppose you think he played 82 games on nine different occasions without any injury or illness? There are known instances when he played through both though documentation would probably prove much more difficult to compile.Hoops gza (talk) 20:14, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Template error

Can someone fix the amount of templates at the bottom of the page? I am getting an error that leaves them all expanded making the page HUGE. Is it normal to have so many repeating the same info? -- 67.193.80.240 (talk) 22:02, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2014

please change Regular Season stats from:

1985–86 Chicago 18 7 25.1 .457 .351 .167 3.6 2.9 2.1 1.2 22.7

to

1985–86 Chicago 18 7 25.1 .457 .167 .840 3.6 2.9 2.1 1.2 22.7

Source is http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_stats.html Mikkoathome (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2014 (UTC) Mikkoathome

 Done The existing Basketball-Reference citation confirmed that there had been errors in those two categories for 1985–86, so I made the change. Thanks for bringing that up! Giants2008 (Talk) 02:16, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Statistics not given as percentages.

Under section 8, NBA career statistics, three columns in both tables - FG%, 3P%, FT% - need to have their values multiplied by 100 to give the percentage (%) as listed by the column header. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgos62703 (talk • contribs) 10:03, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I checked several other articles on prominent current and former NBA players, and in each of them the values are given as decimals for those columns. That leads me to believe that this is a style choice made by the NBA WikiProject, and I don't like interfering with WikiProject preferences unless there is a really good reason for doing so. They probably have a good rationale for the formatting, which doesn't bother me enough to want to change it myself. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:06, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I think it's mostly consistent with sources covering the NBA (probably college basketball too). Might not make mathematical sense, but it is following convention.—Bagumba (talk) 23:18, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Mike Jordan?

I recall seeing footage from his college years going by the name Mike Jordan. Could anyone confirm this? - Bossanoven (talk) 00:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Real trademark Jordan

U.S. basketball legend Michael Jordan, whose name in Chinese is transliterated as Qiaodan, is suing Qiaodan Sports Co. for misleading consumers by using his name and his jersey number, 23, as a Chicago Bulls player. http://www.ibtimes.com/michael-jordan-sues-qiaodan-sports-company-chinese-company-bearing-his-chinese-name-1226149 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjfan3 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Be Like Mike

Article watchers may be interested and are welcome to assist with the expansion of Be Like Mike. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:01, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2015

pleas change the age to 52

wrong age

182.69.133.195 (talk) 07:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Already done You mean in the infobox? It says 52 right now, and it uses a template to update the age based on the current date, so it would always be correct. Cannolis (talk) 07:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2015

He was known for being in Gatorade commercials. 208.108.197.160 (talk) 14:06, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 14:52, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Playing Number March 23, 2015

The page includes 23, 45, and 12. He also played with 9 and 5. 23 being obvious, 45 being the return, and 12 being the game where his jersey was stolen before a game in 1991.

9 in the Olympics and 5 in the 1983 pan-American games.

Here's a photo of #5 http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/stripes_before_stars_1983_panam_2011_10_25.html Dannyexpo (talk) 02:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2015

The opening section about Michael Jordan spells his name "Jordyn", that is incorrect and offensive. 2601:D:CA80:7100:D8C9:9322:CBD3:C573 (talk) 15:50, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

 Done Vandalism, now corrected - Arjayay (talk) 16:49, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Billionaire

Shall we mention that he's now a billionaire ? --88.104.133.87 (talk) 22:36, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I think we should.--88.104.138.119 (talk) 19:18, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

We'll need references then.--88.104.138.119 (talk) 13:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

This fact is already included in the lead and body, with references in each place. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:02, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

The article currently states that "In 2015, Jordan became the first athlete in history to become a billionaire, according to Forbes." listing yahoo as a source, however Forbes mentioned that Tiger Woods was either already a billionaire or only months away from becoming one back in 2009 before his divorce proceedings http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/29/tiger-woods-billion-business-sports-tiger.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.135.114 (talk) 08:25, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

The source for the sentence in the lead said Jordan was "indisputably the best-paid athlete of all-time", which sounds like the kind of vague declaration of fact that could easily be wrong. It also doesn't say that he was the first billionaire athlete; Tiger could have easily beaten him to the mark and then fallen behind Jordan because of his divorce settlement. I changed the sentence to say that he was the first billionaire NBA player, which is adequately supported in the article. Thanks for bringing this issue up. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:13, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Lead

I think that winning 2 Olympic Gold Medals, and being only 1/7 in basketball history to win an NCAA title, NBA Title, and Gold Medal is lead worthy...not like these kind of accomplishments happen every day...surely it's as worthy of a mention as "Space Jam". Vjmlhds (talk) 18:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

The 1/7 part might be better in the "Legacy" section. Impressive, but seems somewhat of a trivial cross-section for the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 18:27, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

The rarity of the accomplishment makes it way more than trivial...trivial is including his minor league baseball batting average in the lead, but being one of only a VERY select few to win the 3 biggest championships in basketball...kind of a big deal. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

With this edit, you added extra detail to the lead, breaking the lead into five paragraphs. With this edit, I returned the lead to the standard four paragraphs, per WP:Lead without removing your detail. But with this edit, I made a minor tweak, stating, "In fact., Vjmlhds, I'm likely to cut this content you added to the lead. Unless it is WP:Lead material, it should not be in the lead. If you want to discuss this, use the article's talk page instead of mine."

So now that you have brought this matter to the article talk page, I will point to things that the introduction of the WP:Lead guideline states. The first one is where it states, "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview." By that, it means an overview of the article. It then goes on to state, "It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies. [...] The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources. Apart from trivial basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." Wikipedia articles should usually only put things in the lead that have been given significant attention lower in the article. That's what WP:Lead means by "most important points." Is what you added to the lead given significant attention lower in the article? Flyer22 (talk) 07:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

I also don't think that this is lead-worthy. Maybe it's just me, but I had never heard of the basketball Triple Crown until it was inserted here. Is it really important enough to merit a spot in the lead. I would say no. Also, the addition went against WP:LEAD because it was not put into the body of the article, meaning that the lead wasn't summarizing content from the body. I moved the sentence to the Legacy section, where it seemed to fit best. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:08, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for that, Giants2008. Flyer22 (talk) 00:47, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Being 1/7 to win the Triple Crown > "Space Jam". Really...is "Space Jam" more important to the article's lead than a rare and significant basketball feat (made rarer by the all the one-and-dones that come out of college)? And I did mention the TC in the body of the article. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I have reverted your reinsertion, as I do not see consensus here for it to be in the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 05:51, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

"Mike Jordan"

The usage and primary topic of Mike Jordan is under discussion, see Talk:Mike Jordan (racing driver) -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:24, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Infobox highlights

There has been some recent activity to add highlights to the infobox. For those that were not aware, a style guide exists at Wikipedia:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Style_advice#Infobox_highlights. Feel free to start a discussion at WT:NBA if you are interested in initiating a change in consensus. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 00:31, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Gambling Controversy

I think the section should have a bit more detail and history, including the controversy on his father's death. Also, the section is not noted on the Contents section, which I believe should be moved from professional career to personal life or have its owe section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMona12 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Movie Career

It may have been the one film but just wondering why there's only a small mention of it on the page?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.206.185 (talk) 22:36, 26 July 2015‎ (UTC)

What would you propose be changed?—Bagumba (talk) 22:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Washington Wizards comeback (2001–2003)

Jordan as a member of the Washington Wizards on April 14, 2003

On September 25, 2001, Jordan announced his return to the NBA to play for the Washington Wizards, indicating his intention to donate his salary as a player to a relief effort for the victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks. In an injury-plagued 2001–02 season, he led the team in scoring (22.9 ppg), assists (5.2 apg), and steals (1.42 spg). However, torn cartilage in his right knee ended Jordan's season after only 60 games, the fewest he had played in a regular season since playing 17 games after returning from his first retirement during the 1994–95 season. Jordan started 53 of his 60 games for the season, averaging 24.3 pgg, 5.4 apg, 6 reb, and shooting 41.9% from the field in his 53 starts. After initially sustaining his knee injury, Jordan attempted to come back for 7 more games in a reserve role. He was limited to just 20 minutes per game as a reserve and his knee was nowhere near heatlthy, prompting Jordan to call it a season.JMarsden1923 (talk) 16:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

This appears to have been a request for an addition, since the last part of the above paragraph wasn't in the article. I went ahead and added the statistical parts, which are cited adequately by the given source. Because the website only gives statistics, it doesn't go into the reasons why Jordan became a reserve in the middle of the season or shut himself down. Therefore, I didn't add those parts, although if sources can be found they certainly can be added. Thanks for the suggestion. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:10, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

References

Personal life

in the personal life section there is a small paragraph about parental lawsuits that seem to assume that the reader has previous information about this topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayspeed22 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I remember that paragraph being reduced in size in the past, probably because of the inherent BLP concerns. The paragraph didn't fully make clear that it was about a court case, so I clarified that. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:12, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Current Net Worth and Place in the Article

I wasnt sure were to place the net worth of Michael Jordan so I just put it under the sentence it is mentioned that he is the first NBA player to become a billionare. He is worth (on September 3rd 2015 according to Forbes-see source) US$1.1billion

WikiEditCrunch (talk) 20:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)Kind Regards WEC

Given that the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article, it probably shouldn't be there. I moved it down to the business-related section, where it seems to fit best. I don't recall seeing a person's net worth being included in too many bios, but most athletes don't have Jordan's wealth. Perhaps others will chime in on whether this is an appropriate addition; in any event, it's in a better spot now, as it isn't significant enough to appear in the lead. The intro already says he's a billionaire anyway. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:15, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

References

template spam

No need for all the template spam as seen at Michael Jordan#External links --Moxy (talk) 04:08, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

He's in all of those templates. There's probably a better way to collapse them, like at Derek Jeter#External links. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:18, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Just horrible examples of WP:BIDIRECTIONAL spam....thousands of non-related links.That said you make like to comment at Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#WP:BIDIRECTIONAL navbox requirements.--Moxy (talk) 05:21, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

The links aren't the problem per se. This could all be converted to succession boxes, and we'd still have the same situation with clutter. Not every list or sequence needs a navbox/succession box, but there is a lack of consensus on how to address it.—Bagumba (talk) 06:48, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@Moxy: I doubt much has changed on this at WP:NBA since you last brought this up two years back at #Template_spam (still above).—Bagumba (talk) 06:52, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Just wanted to see if someone would still say its all here because the templates in-question are linked to here over the merits of inclusion. -- Moxy (talk) 07:19, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if exceptions to BIDIRECTIONAL would work, because someone (esp. driveby IPs) will always blindly add it back citing the guideline. It might be more effective to have an understanding on what is considered too many navboxes on a page, and when a list—typically award winners or team rosters in sports—should be made into a navbox.—Bagumba (talk) 07:30, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2016

Micheal Jordan is an african american basketball player.

 Not done Nationality, not ethnicity/race, is what is typically used for the lede. You would never see, "Rick Atkinson, a white author..." GAB^Hello! 22:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 February 2016

58.96.24.86 (talk) 22:32, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 23:39, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2016

i would like to add alot more that i know about him

KorrupTClipz (talk) 18:00, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:22, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2016

Add LeBron James to the list of three time winners of finals MVP.

Jordan's six Finals MVPs is a record; Shaquille O'Neal, Magic Johnson, and Tim Duncan are tied for second place with three apiece. Change to: Jordan's six Finals MVPs is a record; Shaquille O'Neal, Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan, and LeBron James are tied for second place with three apiece.

184.146.151.210 (talk) 02:57, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. —DangerousJXD (talk) 04:34, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-Protected Edit Request on 05 March 2017

Michael Jordan's 30.12 career points per game is an NBA record . His 33.45 playoffs points per game is also an NBA record . There is no indication of these in the "NBA career statistics" section of the article, as is seen in other NBA player articles.

Change the key in "NBA career statistics" to include

NBA record

and highlight and italicize his career 30.1 PPG and 33.4 playoffs PPG with the same background. This will make the statistics consistent with that of other NBA players.

ZincHead (talk) 15:12, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done Put it in myself ZincHead (talk) 16:40, 7 March 2017 (UTC)