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May 2

Withdrawing DYK nomination.

Hi, I nominated Zamia pygmaea for DYK only to realise that it's too early to do that. Is there any way I can withdraw the nomination and delete the template, because I will be re-nominating it later.Ankit (Talk with me) 00:35, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ankit2299, I'd caution you that you only have a week to claim a DYK after it gets expanded, so if you withdrew it, you'd need to renominate within like 6 days or miss out on the DYK. Why do you need to withdraw it? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 00:51, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, Thanks for your concern, I am aware of that. But I need to withdraw it because the article needs more expansion and a restructuring. Moreover the template Template:Did you know nominations/Zamia pygmaea needs an image, I did add one but something's not right with that one.Ankit (Talk with me) 01:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ankit2299, If you really wish to delete it, you could put it up for WP:G7 speedy deletion I believe, though I don't quite see the point if you're just gonna renominate it soon. It usually takes a bit for a nom to get reviewed anyway, and even if its not perfect, reviewers will work with you. For guidance on your restructuring, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants/Template. Also make sure that everything is cited to a reliable source. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 01:52, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, In hindsight I think that you are right, I should just let it be once its reviewing starts it will get along.

Thank you--Ankit (Talk with me) 12:13, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Cheyenne Mcnutt Marion Indiana

Something is put about me and it isn’t true. Maybe the famed cyclist part, but not the rest. Please delete if possible, I own multiple businesses here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:B064:FAC7:BCC3:320B:A0B9:1114 (talk) 02:40, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done! GoingBatty (talk) 02:43, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

My Article Is Marked As "Draft"

Today I have created an article for my music, but I can't change it from a "draft" to an official Wikipedia article. I need this for my Spotify page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jason_David) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriskitten61 (talk • contribs) 04:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chriskitten61: I suggest you place {{subst:submit}} at the top of your talk page draft, and declare your conflict of interest on your talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chriskitten61: I think GB meant to say place the 'submit' code at the top of your draft. This will submit it for review. However, before doing so please review the musical notability guidelines at WP:NMUSIC. (PLease also see WP:GNG). If the criteria are not met it will not be worth your while to submit the article as it will very likely be declined at review. I have cleaned up the draft some and also moved it to Draft: Jason David (musician) as Wikipedia already has an article about another person of the same name. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 11:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash and Chriskitten61: Oops! Corrected my recommendation. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Chiskitten61. I fear from your mention of your Spotify page that you are under a (very common) misapprehension about Wikipedia: that it has anything whatever to do with promotion. It does not. It contains neutrally written articles about notable subjects, based almost entirely on reliably published independent sources.

If you do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - like most artists - then no article about you will be accepted. If your are notable, and an article is accepted, it will not be your article, it will be based not on what you say but on what people who have no connection with you have published about you, and it will not necessarily say what you want it to say. Your involvement in the article will be limited to making requests for changes to the content.

Like anybody else in the world, you will be welcome to make use of the material in Wikipedia's article about you, but it is unlikely that a Wikipedia volunteer editor will be willing to go to any trouble to help you promote yourself on Spotify or anywhere else. --ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hasty actions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:UFC_249_(May_9,_2020_event) Hello can i get some helpers to assist on this issue. There are a lot of attempt for hasty decisions on this page (the move request came first now someone wants do this and that and this and that.....)...its causing a mess. COVID-19 also caused low participation on the consensus. I want it be left open for a longer time at least May 6. Once its done then we can review the next steps. Regice2020 (talk) 05:38, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

It's normal that once a suggestion is made, others will make counter-suggestions. As I glance at the talk page, I get the impression that the discussion is vigorous (in a good way). If you want more participation, you might ask for it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts. -- Hoary (talk) 09:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Fake website list

How do i add a few more websites to your Fake News List. I do not wish to edit any previous entries.

For example, I wish to add andromedacouncil.com to the Fake Website list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:301B:F105:1:3:882E:5996 (talk) 08:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

If you hope that something will be added to the article Fake news website, then you can make the suggestion at Talk:Fake news website. -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

question about a tv series plot

Movie plots per WP:PLOTBLOAT are supposed to be between 400-700 words. The MOS:TVPLOT gives guidance for plots that are for episodes, seasons, and some variations. Unfortunately there is no guidance that I can find for a plot that is at the series level. So for example, Arrow's plot is 792 words long. Am I missing where the guidance says how long a series level plot should be? thx. ToeFungii (talk) 10:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Given that the series was eight seasons and each is summarized in a single paragraph averaging 100 words, that doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all. Are you asking whether the plot summary for the series is too long or not long enough? —valereee (talk) 13:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Fix ping ToeFungii —valereee (talk) 13:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Valereeei, yes I thing the plot is too long, but I understand the logic that 100 words per season (although season 8 was only 10 episodes I believe). Perhaps this why there is no guidance, ie tv shows could be an unknown #of seasons/episodes, but where there is so much guidance for film plots, tv series season plots, tv series episode plots, I was kinda of hoping that there might be something at the series level possibly even what you say 100 words per season. Otherwise it leaves it potentially open ended for the plot at the series level. ToeFungii (talk) 17:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

ToeFungii, in general we try to avoid hard-and-fast rules where they aren't needed. The right length of plot summary for a tv series is whatever it needs to convey the plot adequately without providing trivial detail. The best way to solve this kind of question would be to make whatever edits you think are necessary and see if anyone objects. If someone reverts your edits, don't re-revert them but instead start a section to discuss it on the article talk page and ping the editor who made the change. More guidance on that process can be found at Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. —valereee (talk) 22:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Content Assessment for articles in a category

Hello! Is it possible to get create a content assessment table (such as this example for categories? As opposed to a table for a WikiProject. I am trying to create a table to see the quality of the articles under the following category Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcia0069 (talk • contribs)

@Xcia0069: This may be what you are looking for. Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Using the bot If not, ask on the talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:13, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

useless ref names in vis ed

Is there any way to keep visual editor from using ref names like ":0"? It's infuriating when I need to switch to source. The only way I've found is to insert the citation, switch to source, and insert a ref name="jonesNYT1may2020" or whatever manually, which besides being tedious of course only fixes it for refs first added by me and leaves everyone else's refs with those stupidly useless names. Thanks for any help! —valereee (talk) 13:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: It's probably the simplest way to automatically generate a name, without the visual editor having to make one up based on the name of the work or web site. BTW - you don't need the quotes anymore as long as the ref name is one word. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:16, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Timtempleton, oh, good to know about not needing quotes any more. Ugh, maybe I should just add new references in source. It might be easier. I can't believe this hasn't been fixed yet. Thanks! —valereee (talk) 22:20, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee and Timtempleton: While you don't need the quotes, I use them anyway for consistency and foolproofing (in case someone decides they want to rename it with a space in it and don't realize it isn't quoted). I also recall some kind of bugginess or controversy over unquoted attributes (sorry the details escape me). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:11, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, AlanM!! —valereee (talk) 12:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Question about infoboxes

I have a question about infoboxes about people. Sometimes, an infobox does not list all of a person's children like, for example, in the Nelson Mandela article, it says 6 (including Makgatho, Makaziwe, Zenani and Zindziswa) and in the Mao Zedong article, it says 10, including: Mao Anying Mao Anqing Mao Anlong Yang Yuehua Li Min Li Na. However, in the Winston Churchill article, it lists all his children. What's going on here? Should I change the infoboxes to list all the children? Interstellarity (talk) 14:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Interstellarity - as stated at Template:Infobox person, the parameter should include:-

"Typically the number of children (e.g., 3); only list names of independently notable or particularly relevant children. Names may be preceded by a number to show total children and avoid implying that named children are the only offspring. For multiple entries, use an inline list. For privacy reasons, consider omitting the names of living children, unless notable."

So no, do not change the infoboxes to list all the children, just the "independently notable or particularly relevant children." - Arjayay (talk) 14:26, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Arjayay. Thanks for getting back to me. I don't quite understand the statement from the documentation. Can you please rephrase it in your own words so I can understand it better? Interstellarity (talk) 14:48, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Interstellarity - This will be just my interpretation:- "independently notable" would almost certainly be someone with their own article, whilst "particularly relevant" would probably be someone who is not just mentioned in passing, but has independent references about them, and text describing what they did, in some detail, in their parent's article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Arjayay: Thank you for your help. I understand. Interstellarity (talk) 15:04, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

My profile

sir, I want you to publish an article on my great grandfather Brahmdev Mishra Pahalvan who defeated Dara Singh in 1950 51.You will get all the proofs regarding this.for more enquiry contact me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malware in use (talk • contribs) 14:36, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Malware in use: If you haven't done so already, please review the recommendations in Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. GoingBatty (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Malware in use. Nobody will contact you or ask you to provide proofs. If you wish to create an article (not a profile, Wikipedia does not contain profiles), then it is up to you to cite the published sources which are required for a Wikipedia article. If the material you wish to base it on has not been published, then I'm afraid that Wikipedia is not the right place for you.

Be warned that creating a new article is a very difficult task - made more difficult if you have a conflict of interest, as GoingBatty suggested. Please look at your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Beth Hirsch from Tampa Florida does not exist

I'm not sure what action to take as Beth Hirsch has major incorrect details, sourced form a website created by an individual whom I won't name right now due to ongoing court issues with the Hirsch family. However, I can certainly say that there is no such person as a Beth Hirsch born on October 18, 1967 in Tampa, nor is there anybody born on that date or even that year anywhere in the United States, Canada or the United Kingdom. I don't know what action to take her forward, I'm tempted to delete all references to her birth place and nationality and even her birth date as Beth Hirsch born on October 18 1967 in the United States does not exist anywhere in any birth records in the state of Florida. thanks. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 16:17, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

The Allmusic biography only gives the year of birth and that she grew up in Tampa, so I updated the article. It would be appropriate to discuss this further at the article talk page: Talk:Beth Hirsch, with reliable sources. GoingBatty (talk) 16:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok I'll do that tomorrow when I have a stable connection, as the service guys are coming today. thanks. I don't know if my IP will change as a result of the repairs but I'll get to tha tomorrow. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Ax09tongo78

Why does Wikipedia belongs to all of us? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ax09tongo78 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ax09tongo78: You might be interested in reading Wikipedia:About. GoingBatty (talk) 16:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding content

I want to ad a blog to a Wikipedia page. The blog is an art gallery only, and contains no comment, opinions or any other kind of dialogue. It is purely a gallery of paintings. How can I add this to the page, as I keep getting it removed due to it being thought of as a soapbox (which it isn’t). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cazzocondente (talk • contribs) 16:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cazzocondente: Part of editing Wikipedia can follow the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You boldly added some content to the Ted McKeever article, and another editor reverted the content. Now the proper place for discussion is the article talk page, Talk:Ted McKeever. Note that the one discussion topic at Talk:Ted McKeever was from the year 2007, and has nothing to do with your edits. If you have any conflict of interest, be sure to disclose that as well. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cazzocondente: Maybe you could help improve the article by providing additional reliable sources? GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Article titles

When deciding on an article title, such as Great Pyramid of Giza, how do we decide between WP:PRECISE and WP:CONCISE? Interstellarity (talk) 17:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Those two goals are usually not at odds. Can you clarify what the issue is? I'm not following. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: In the RM discussion at Talk:Great_Pyramid_of_Giza#Requested_move_29_April_2020 which I nominated, I nominated it because it would be a more concise title. However, the oppose votes are arguing that it fails WP:PRECISE. I hope this clarifies the question. Interstellarity (talk) 22:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Interstellarity, hm. Great Pyramid of Giza is precise because it differentiates from other Great Pyramids, and it doesn't fail concise because it's the most common way that structure is referred to in reliable sources. But Great Pyramid could be argued to be more concise and not fail precise because it's so much more notable than the Great Pyramid of Cholula that nearly all readers would understand Great Pyramid to mean the one at Giza. I don't think there's one clear right outcome here. —valereee (talk) 12:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valereee: Thanks for the reply. I understand now. Interstellarity (talk) 15:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Karen Harper (author) Born April 6, 1945

Karen also taught English at Whetstone High School. I had her as my English teacher in 1969-1970 school year. She met Don Harper at Whetstone where he was the principal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.98.76.74 (talk) 17:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Please post your suggestions for the Karen Harper article on the corresponding talk page: Talk:Karen Harper, along with any reliable sources which can corroborate your request. GoingBatty (talk) 17:37, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Depiction of God

This is regarding the following page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

I am reaching out for the immediate removal of the stone carving "depicting" the Creator, referred to as Yahweh in Judaism.

God has no known depictions, and is beyond the scope of visual, physical perception to humans inhabiting this world.

To even attempt to depict him, and trying to recreate his likeness is beyond a grave sin.

This applies even if the depiction is a "historical" one made by an ignorant human from centuries ago. Please cease propagting this ignorance, and this insult to God and those who follow him. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Propogator.ofTruth (talk • contribs) 18:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Propogator.ofTruth Wikipedia is not censored for any reason. Every subject offends one person or another, as such removing everything offensive would leave nothing behind. If a subject offends you, you should stay away from that subject. Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia edited and read by tens of thousands of people all with their own religious views. 331dot (talk) 18:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

The Jewish people have held different beliefs at different historical periods. The task of Wikipedia is to describe those various beliefs. It is not, fortunately, to rule on which of them are correct. Maproom (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Features in GeoJSON Maps for Highways

I've been jumping around articles on California state highways and I noticed that the map in the infobox on Interstate 5 in California is rather sparse and does not show state borders or any other highways. This is in contrast to the map on Interstate 5 in Oregon which shows Oregon's borders with California and Washington and the outlines of other highways in Oregon.

After some investigating I determined that both of these maps are generated from OpenStreetMap using a data tag linking the feature on OSM to the article here. I looked at the source of the articles to see if the map on the Oregon page is called differently somehow to enable the other features on the map, but the wikitext appears to be virtually identical between the two:

California:

{{maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|type=line|frame-align=center|frame-width=290|frame-height=320|stroke-width=3}}

Oregon:

{{maplink|frame=yes|plain=yes|type=line|frame-align=center|frame-width=290|frame-height=270|stroke-width=3}}

The only difference appears to be in the frame-height parameter, which wouldn't seem to me to affect whether features appear.

Is there some way to invoke the map on the California page such that state borders and other highways appear? I feel that without at least borders, the map looks very sparse and provides insufficient context to a reader as to the location of the freeway. Thank you, TitanAndromeda 18:27, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@TitanAndromeda: When I have a problem with a template, I go to the template's talk page for assistance. When I go to Template:Maplink and click on the "Talk" link, it takes me to Module talk:Mapframe, where there are several similar conversations. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 18:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

D'oh, why didn't I think of that? Thank you, I appreciate the help. TitanAndromeda 19:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikilink question

I recently added Jimmie Patterson's name to "notable persons from Saskatoon" and the edit was easy, however, what wasn't at all clear is how I redirect to his page on Wikipedia. I sure it's a simple procedure, but I'm still scratching my head. Some help would be great. Thanks Kim Whale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.161.172 (talk) 21:41, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. I added a section header for your question. I was going to make the link for you, but I can't tell who you are referring to. We artcicles on these James Pattersons: James_Patterson_(disambiguation), but it is not clear which one you mean. The only Canadian on that list is a politician. RudolfRed (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

You have to spell the name right. Jim Pattison is from Luseland, not Saskatoon, although he was born in Saskatoon. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:58, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Quickly Delete image

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_UFC_249_poster.jpg Can someone quickly delete this image?Regice2020 (talk) 22:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Removal of link of a namesake on my Wikipedia page

My Wikipedia page is Paul Taylor (Saxophonist). Please remove the link to another namesake Paul Taylor (Rock Musician) that is at the TOP of my page..

Doesn't make sense that it's there. I checked that page and mine is not on HIS page. Like someone put it there to divert folks to that page INSTEAD of mine. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.72.254.220 (talk) 22:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

The link is a disambiguation link so that if someone gets the two of you confused, they can find the right article. That makes sense. It's also present on the Paul Taylor (keyboardist) article.

It's our page about you, not your page. Don't be paranoid about a very common feature meant to make it easier to use the site. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:03, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: I just added the link from Paul Taylor (keyboardist) to Paul Taylor (saxophonist) to help readers find the right article. GoingBatty (talk) 23:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Paul - please do not directly edit Wikipedia's article about you - see WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. I have reverted the edit. If you have suggestions or concerns, please post them on the article talk page Talk:Paul Taylor (saxophonist), and disclose who you are. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:11, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

May 3

Draft question for edit?

@Koavf: How long does it take for the wikipedia I edit will be active because it's on DraftJohnnysxm (talk) 01:38, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Johnnysxm. I assume that you are referring to Draft:Boni Faas, which you have not submitted for review. Please do not submit it at this time. This is an unreferenced biography of a living person, and it is policy that any such article must be properly referenced. Please read Your first article for information about the improvements that you need to make before submitting the draft for review. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: In particular, please review Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles and provide multiple independent reliable sources to demonstrate that Boni Faas meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty yes Boni Faas meet the criteria for wikipedia as musician — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnysxm (talk • contribs) 03:25, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: You probably right, but the article must cite reliable sources so reviewers, other editors, and readers can see that it is true. Before you submit the article, find and add two or three really good references that show notability. This is easy to mess up, so please take a look at Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability) to avoid getting hassled by reviewers. -Arch dude (talk) 04:56, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Boni Faas meet the criteria for musician and should be submitted for reviewJohnnysxm (talk) 03:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude, but how to do it I'm so new to this, what I exactly information I need to add I haven't add enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnysxm (talk • contribs) 05:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: Glad you have multiple independent reliable sources! I have added a References section to Draft:Boni Faas for you with three asterisks. You can add your sources as URLs there and we can look at them for you. GoingBatty (talk) 05:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty I went to Draft Boni Faas I see the references and I added the sources, can you please check it to see if I did it right. Thank youJohnnysxm (talk) 07:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: Sorry but no, it is not done correctly. GB provided you with a refs section and three asterisks where you should just add the URLs of the sources. I have restored rthe page to the last edit that he made. Please have another go.

Please do not start additional threads here on the same topic and (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 08:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

There are external links, but no references. Here for example is one sentence: "He is signed to Team Billionaire Music and SDYP The Movement." Provide evidence, please, that he is signed to Team Billionaire Music and to SDYP The Movement. -- Hoary (talk) 08:35, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Boni Faas references edit

@Template:GoingBatty please check Draft Boni Faas if I did what you ask me to do, and yes his sign to Team Billionaire Music, but you wont find this label on the web, but you will find his other label he sign to SDYP the MOVEMENT, I added 3 URLs to prove who he is.

You haven't yet done what Eagleash asked you to do: "do not start additional threads here on the same topic" -- I've had to move this -- "and (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.)" If you can't provide a reliable reference for the assertion that he's signed to Team Billionaire Music then the article can't assert that he's signed to Team Billionaire Music. Ditto for anything that the article says. -- Hoary (talk) 13:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: You added three reference to prove who he is. However, your goal should be to prove that he meets Wikipedia's standards of notability for musicians by providing multiple independent reliable sources, such as magazines, newspapers, and critical reviews. Faimhub is a place to upload a press kit, SDYP is his record label, and alhtmizik is his official website, so none of these are independent. Keep working on it! GoingBatty (talk) 14:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Merged thread

@GoingBatty SDYP is not his own label, he just sign to it, and so the others. He just feature on them like a Magazine, what if I send you 1 magazine of him? Will that be enough, cuz I see him on a MagazineJohnnysxm (talk) 14:41, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

If he has been featured in a mainstream magazine then that could help. A link would be best, but sources do not have to be online. Wikipedia requires in-depth coverage in sources independent of him. I.e not by him or persons associated with him. Again, please do not start new threads on the same topic. As previously suggested you should study WP:NOTABILITY, WP:NMUSIC and WP:YFA. If this artist does not meet the criteria you may well be wasting your time trying to create an article about him. Not every musical act qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Eagleash (talk) 15:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Johnnysxm: Additional suggestions:

• Continue this discussion in this section. Do not click the "New section" tab.
• Please read Template:Ping to learn how to use Wikipedia's equivalent of the @mention feature, like {{ping|GoingBatty}}
• Since Faas signed to the SDYP label, the SDYP website is not an independent source. SDYP is in the business of promoting Faas to make money.
• Do not send anything to me - add it to the draft.
• One magazine is a start, but to demonstrate that Faas meets Wikipedia's standards of notability for musicians, your goal should be to provide "multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician". GoingBatty (talk) 15:18, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text

Post Secondary Enrollment Options Please help with footnotes. I thought I understood how to do this but I'm clearly making some mistakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minnesotaed (talk • contribs) 04:21, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Minnesotaed: After reviewing the edits you made to Post Secondary Enrollment Options, here are some suggestions for you:

• Always sign your talk space posts with ~~~~ so your signature automatically is attached.
• An article needs only one {{reflist}} template, in the References section.
• Don't start a new paragraph with a space, or it will look like this:

This has a space in front of it

• If you're going to use {{cite web}} for your references, they have to end with }}</ref>

Your edits were reversed, so you can try again slowly - make an edit, click Show preview, and keep fixing until it looks good, then click Publish changes. Or, you can make suggestions at the article talk page - Talk:Post Secondary Enrollment Options - and another editor can help you. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 06:00, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Minnesotaed:  Fixed The 'reflist' template goes immediately after the 'references' hdg; you do not need to add it within the content as well. If you have not already done so please review the guide to adding references for how to do so correctly as there were also several formatting errors. Do you have a connection to the subject? If so you must read WP:COI and WP:PAID (the latter is mandatory under the terms of use) and make the necessary declarations. Also your username may imply 'corporate' or shared use, which is not permitted. You can request a change at WP:UNC. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Create own wikipedia

I want to create my own wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahul Paria (talk • contribs) 05:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

If you wish to create an article about yourself, this is not what Wikipedia is for; it is not a form of social media. Please see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for why this is discouraged and why this is not always a good idea. If you are notable in the Wikipedia sense, someone independent of yourself will, in due course, create an article based on what other people have, equally independently, witten about you in reliable sources. Eagleash (talk) 05:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

In particular, do not make a second attempt to convert an article about somebody else into an article about yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 08:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hello, An Ip is vandalizing the page Wakefield, Massachusetts. I reported about this to admins but what to do about the page for now? Since, if I undo that Ip's edit, the Ip again inserts the same content in a few minutes. I know edit warring is discouraged on Wikipedia. So kindly suggest me what should I do? Lightbluerain (talk) 11:56, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Reverting blatent vandalism isn't classed as edit warring. There is now some protection against non confirmed users for two days. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for your response. That user is blocked now. Btw, what kind of protection against non-confirmed users? Lightbluerain (talk) 12:04, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Lightbluerain, The article was semi protected. Users who aren't registered, or haven't made 10 edits over 4 days are unable to edit the article, but can edit the talk page. The policy is at WP:SEMI ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 12:10, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. Lightbluerain (talk) 12:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Please help replacing the company logo

HI,

Trying a few times to replace our company logo with no success. Please help!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puls_(company)

Tried to upload here, it doesn't work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_of_Puls_Technologies.png

Not sure why it's so complicated..

All we want is to upload the same file without dots...

thanks! Puls Team — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayapuls (talk • contribs) 12:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mayapuls:  Done by Ankry. Also, please review the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, and do not edit the article about your company directly. Instead, you can suggest edits on the article talk page - Talk:Puls (company) - and disclose your conflict. Thanks! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 14:19, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

contacting people

How can I contact a radio or tv talk show host? My fiancé is in a Tennessee prison and is being harassed by a European based, Jewish terrorist by telephoning other inmates and telling them to tell my fiancé different things, taping conversations we have on the prison phone system as my fiancé doesn't have a phone like others do there, and different other things are happening to him. He was imprisoned when he was 16 for something he did not do. They had no evidence and the only thing they got him for was word of mouth by a woman with a questionable reputation. We are attempting right now to get him exonerated. He is losing hope and is getting more frustrated by this terrorist. No one will help him. Please help me help him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.99.136 (talk) 13:33, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I'm sorry for your problems, but I'm afraid that this is the help desk for problems with editing Wikipedia. There is nobody here who can help you. --ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

How to submit a page or article

Hi Guys,

Good day, I would just like to ask on how can I submit or upload a page or article on wikipedia?

Thanks,

Matt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt Lopez (talk • contribs) 13:40, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating a new article, Matt, is one of the toughest things to do here, not least because with the millions of existing articles, the number of genuinely notable topics to write about is no longer as big as it once was. For further help, read this: Help:Your first article. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:17, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Matt Lopez. Creating a new article is about the hardest task there is in editing Wikipedia, and I always suggest to new editors that they spend a few weeks or months improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before they even try. People who plunge straight in often have a very unhappy time, as they try to submit material which is totally inappropriate for Wikipedia, and then get understandably upset when it is rejected. Your draft Draft:Vilma Vitug is far from the worst attempt I have seen, but as it stands it has no chance of being accepted, because you have made the number 1 mistake that new editors make: you have, it seems written from what you know, instead of from what the reliable published independent sources say. The first step in creating an article - long before you write any words - is finding the places where people who have no connection with the subject, and unprompted by the subject, have chosen to write about the subject at some length, and been published by reputable publishers. One of the reasons you do this first is that if you can't find any such sources, then the subject is not notable in Wikipedia's terms, and any work you put into writing an article will be a waste of time.

For your own benefit, please study your first article and notability before you spend any more time on your draft. --ColinFine (talk) 14:24, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help in order to submit a draft for reviewing and wanting to publish it as a main page

I've created a draft and wanted to submit it for a review as this step is mandatory to publish a draft as a main page. Please let me know about the same. Nehhz335 (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nehhz335: You removed the "decline" message at the top of your draft. That has now been restored. If you believe the issues raised there have been addressed, you should click on Resubmit at the bottom of the "decline" message. --MrClog (talk) 17:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Nehhz335 (edit conflict) Right now, your draft is not suitable as a Wikipedia article, and if you were to submit it, it would be rejected quickly. Your draft offers no sources to support its content. Wikipedia articles about people must do more than tell about the person. They must show with significant coverage in independent reliable sources how the person meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person or in this case, the definition of a notable actress. Not every person merits an article on Wikipedia. If the person does not have significant coverage by sources- coverage that goes beyond brief mentions, routine announcements, etc., they would not merit an article at this time. You may find it helpful to read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial- as successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. If you are able to make the needed improvements, you may submit your draft using Articles for Creation. Again, you should not submit it yet. 331dot (talk) 17:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Adjusting my post to account for MrClog's good information. 331dot (talk) 17:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

In the feedback messages, on the draft itself and on your user talk page, the words in blue are wikilinks to pages which will give you further advice, such as Help:Referencing for beginners. You need to read those pages and take account of them before you resubmit your draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

My entire editing history has been removed -- why and by whom?

Is it possible I could have done it myself without intending to? Shouldn't there be some kind of safeguard?

Is it possible to restore it? Please help.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EquitableCanine (talk • contribs) 17:13, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@EquitableCanine: Everyone can see your editing history at Special:Contributions/EquitableCanine. Could you please help us understand exactly what has been removed? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Article creation

How can i create an article in Greek wikipedia?As i checked there is no create new article button like in english wiki! Any help would be appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamoskampilis (talk • contribs) 18:14, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Gamoskampilis, I think the AfC is unique to the English Wikipedia (or at least, not a concept used in all languages). I thought it would be straightforward to point you to the Greek Help desk, but I failed to find it. S Philbrick(Talk) 18:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gamoskampilis: In the Greek Wikipedia, type the name of the topic in the search box and click <Enter>. For example, if you search for "GoingBatty", the search results say "Δημιουργήστε τη σελίδα «GoingBatty» στη Βικιπαίδεια με επεξεργαστή κώδικα ή οπτικό επεξεργαστή (VE)!", which translates to "Create the "GoingBatty" page on Wikipedia with a code editor or optical processor (VE)!" with two links. Be sure you're following the Greek Wikipedia's guidelines and notability requirements, which may be different from the English Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 18:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Attribution requirement leading to AfD

One Netha Hussain created an article Misinformation related to the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in India but failed to attribute content while copying from another wikipedia article. How can this be fixed. Surely there must be better ways to resolve this than deletion. --Cedix (talk) 19:44, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

For those who are interested, discussion can be made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misinformation related to the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in India. GoingBatty (talk) 19:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Template

What is the correct template to use on the user pages of users who did these edits? There are {{uw-tdel1}}, {{uw-afd1}}, {{uw-blpprod1}}, {{uw-idt1}} and {{uw-speedy1}} but none is really accurate.Jonteemil (talk) 20:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jonteemil: I think it's important to look at the recent history, not just one edit. The history at Zoe Boekbinder is edit warring. The Rollovers as business start-ups and West Bengal edits were examples of one editor adding a template and then removing it immediately, so no talk page note is necessary. GoingBatty (talk) 21:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I agree with you completely however that was not my question. Of course I'm only refereing to the removals that are bad, often by the user that created the page.Jonteemil (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jonteemil: Looking over Wikipedia:Template_index/User_talk_namespace, you could choose {{Uw-copyright-new}} and {{Uw-ewsoft}}. GoingBatty (talk) 21:23, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Why does this article have words Etymology 1 through 3?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/бытие — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moyprofile (talk • contribs) 21:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

This help desk is for questions regarding the encyclopedia Wikipedia. The article to which you refer is in the dictionary Wiktionary, which is a separate project, so if you have any questions you need to ask at wikt:, which has its own help desk at wikt:Help:Contents. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:17, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

misleading information regarding Mandaeans

Good Day This not the first time I read misleading information regarding Mandaeanism (which is my religion), first they are NOT Christian, neither John the Baptist was a Christian, and they considered him as teacher , neither a Christian or Jewish has the right to call them Christian, Second your editor to this subject obviously ignored regarding this religion, They created in ancient Israel and they have an ancient desipute with them, They don’t HATE Abraham, this very strong word to use, they just don’t regard him as one of there prophet All I am asking is your website to be more ethical regarding this subject And there is many modern studies regarding this religion, I think your editors need more education about our religion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.9.173.160 (talk) 22:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Help Desk! I'm sorry you found the Mandaeans article has some issues. The best place to report that is on the article talk page: Talk:Mandaeans. Providing reliable sources there would help our editors to improve the article. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

May 4

covid 19 death numbers

Why are your numbers so much greater than those of the CDC? You show about 68 thousand, while CDC shows around 37 thousand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:FD10:B340:FCD4:853C:8B8A:6BC (talk) 02:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the help desk! https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html shows 65,735 deaths in the US. If you let us know which Wikipedia article you're concerned about, we can make sure the CDC reference is up to date. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Did I do this correctly?

Brand newbie here trying to make a page and wondering if I did this correctly or if there is something obvious to you experts that I can fix rather than risking the page is removed for my mistakes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryss_Shane

Thanks so much for sharing your brilliance with me, I am forever grateful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Munchkin1616 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Munchkin1616: have you looked at Wikipedia:Notability? In particular, has the subject "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"? If you are not sure about publishing a page you could use Wikipedia:Articles for creation. I see User:Lopifalko has made some improvements to the article. TSventon (talk) 04:59, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Munchkin1616: Hello. As described in my various edit summaries, there were issues with WP:PUFFERY; WP:PROMO; the endorsements were a WP:COPYVIO; MOS:LEAD should not contain info that isn't in the body of the article; it had no categories; and Medium is not a reliable source; WP:SURNAME; MOS:BOLD; MOS:SECTIONHEADINGS; and the fist mention of the subject's name should be in bold. It still lists magazines and countries in which the subject has been quoted, which is superfluous. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:20, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lopifalko and @TSventon: Hi and thanks so much for your helping me with this so I can get it right and not get it deleted!! I linked numerous major magazines, newspapers, tv stations, and websites who have interviewed her or written about her to cover that, should I link more? (I have more but didn't want to link 40 or something if not necessary) How else might I prove her notability? I only used Medium articles because she was interviewed there talking about her academic background and where she grew up and I thought I needed source for that, though I guess it may be in the About the Author of her book so maybe I could cite that? I am using links from her website and such so I have access to that. I could have also fleshed the biography out more but I was afraid that copying/pasting from her site would flag plagiarism and halt this from being kept up on the website. Thanks for all guidance!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Munchkin1616 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

You're right, a primary source such as an interview is OK for basic uncontentious biographical facts. being quoted by a publication is not considered notable and in my estimation has little value in being mentioned in an article—if the subject is notable you should be able to demonstrate that with independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject, not quotes by the subject, or interviews. Try not to use primary sources such as the subject's web site as much as possible. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:31, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lopifalko OHHHHH Thank you for clarifying!! I used her website to show what services she offers and the Medium interviews for the autobiographical information. I thought that showing that she was interviewed and quoted by so many major media sources would show she was notable. Do you think this will get deleted as is or can I leave it and then just keep adding to it over time as more gets published about her book which would include reviews and things she would not be interviewed for or a part of? Thank you thank you for all of your guidance, this is my first time trying to write this and I don't want to get it wrong and have it just get deleted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Munchkin1616 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Munchkin1616. Yes, the word "notable" is a bit unfortunate in a way, because it doesn't mean quite the same as the ordinary understanding of the word. The idea is that everything in an article should be verifiable from published sources, and should be neutral about the subject. The "neutral" bit means that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what a subject says about themselves - which means that an interview, or an article based on a press release, is not suitable as the basis for a Wikipedia article. This means in turn that we require places where people who have no conenction with the subject have chosen to publish material about the subject - because otherwise there is literally nothing which can go into the article! --ColinFine (talk) 10:48, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Redirects

Is there a way to make hard redirects act like soft redirects as a preference option. I want not to be immediately transferred to the target page, instead, I want the redirect links to always have "&redirect=no" at the end whenever I click on any type of redirects. Is there a way to do that? Thanks in advance.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 05:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@SharabSalam: Searching through Wikipedia:User_scripts/List finds User:BrandonXLF/NoRedirect. If you follow its installation instructions, that should do what you want. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:07, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Add reference or dead link

Hey can you please help me, how to edit or add reference link or dead link — Preceding unsigned comment added by Top2stock (talk • contribs) 06:06, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

You mean, how to replace a dead link with a Wayback Machine scrape of the page when it was still alive? If so, better put that aside till you understand the basics, which are explained in Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Hoary (talk) 07:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

User on multiple IPs on reality show articles—how to handle?

Hi, I think I've posted about this before: I keep spotting what is evidently the same user, who has now appeared under at least four different IPs, making the same types of disruptive edits to articles about reality shows: normally, making changes to either the colours of tables or the names of judges so that the page becomes inconsistent. Because they're not obvious vandalism, they tend to go unnoticed by WP:RCP, though the user also doesn't tend to respond to requests to discuss these sorts of changes before making them.

Each of the four IPs is currently blocked either for disruptive behaviour or block evasion, but it's getting a bit out of hand. I requested a few of the main target pages be protected, but it's clearly not feasible to block every page about every reality show. (In addition, one of my protection requests was initially declined because the edits by three of the relevant IPs were spread over a month, so I'm loath to make any more until I know what the right thing is to do.) Can someone advise if there's any route I've missed, or any noticeboard to post on?

(I've deliberately not provided diffs or the IPs because I don't want to create drama before I post on the correct noticeboard, but I'm happy to supply if requested.) YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 10:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

YorkshireLad, You might wish to ask for a rangeblock at WP:ANI, wherein a range of IP addresses can be blocked, which usually catches folks with shifting addresses. It doesn't always work, but its worth an ask. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 11:18, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, Thanks! Would that work if the IP addresses all start with different pairs of numbers? (I have little experience with "back-end" internet stuff... YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 12:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

YorkshireLad, Ah, probably not. That also might be evidence that they are different people, but only a CheckUser would be able to tell. Usually ranges will try to block ranges in just the last two number blocks, so for instance if the ip is 1.1.100.100, and recently also used 1.1.100.50 and 1.1.100.80 if you were lucky you might be able to block just a range of addresses in the las tblock between like 40 and 110. Thus you've only blocked 70 IP addresses. But if the first number changes? Even if you protected the range 1./././ to 2./././, you've blocked hundreds of thousands or more addresses, which means you're likely to get collateral damage. However, if there are just two distinct ranges, say a person is editing from their phone or their computer, then it is possible that you could get away with two separate range blocks. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, Sadly, they're four completely different ones.  :-( I'll wait to see if they come back when the blocks expire/under a different IP, and then maybe take it up at ANI if so. Thanks a lot for your help! YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 15:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Immalice — Preceding unsigned comment added by Immalice (talk • contribs) 10:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Immalice: Hello, please see the welcome message at your talk page. If you wish to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia please study the links given there and the tutorial; but whatever you decide, please do not continue to make disruptive edits. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 10:57, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Question about links

I would like to update all the links regarding the recent page move to COVID-19 pandemic. Would AutoWikiBrowser help me do that? Should I request the permission? Interstellarity (talk) 10:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: AutoWikiBrowser (AWB) does help to make repetitive edits. I'm not sure exactly what you want to do, but two things to consider:

1. One of the AWB rules of use is "Do not make insignificant or inconsequential edits. An edit that has no noticeable effect on the rendered page is generally considered an insignificant edit."
2. WP:NOTBROKEN states we shouldn't bypass a valid redirect and point the link directly at the target page.

Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 13:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Here is an example of an edit I would like to do with AWB. Interstellarity (talk) 14:04, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Edits like that don't seem to fall under either of the cases I mentioned above. Thanks for the example! GoingBatty (talk) 14:35, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

how to add village details

hi, I wanna add my home town and my village details on Wikipedia and protect that context from thers editing please guide me how to add my village details? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManhaKashmiri (talk • contribs) 11:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@ManhaKashmiri: "[...]and protect that context from [o]thers editing[...]" Then you don't even need to start writing something. Please have a read of Wikipedia:Ownership of content and, as I assume you haven't already, the Wikimedia Terms of Use. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

ManhaKashmiri Sorry, you can't prevent other editors from editing any article you create just because you don't want others to edit it. Articles belong to the community, not to those that create them. 331dot (talk) 11:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@ManhaKashmiri: Although you cannot protect the article, we still do want an article, so I hope you will persist. But first, please read WP:NOT to get a feeling of how Wikipedia works. Then, find some reliable sources (WP:RS). Read a few of our articles about other villages to see how they are formatted, pick one you like as an example, and write your article following the guidance at WP:YFA. We usually caution first-time article writers to make sure that the article topic is notable (WP:N), but villages are presumed to be notable, you you are OK on that if you can find any reliable source that confirms that the village exists. -Arch dude (talk) 14:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Spam links?

I'm noticing that a lot of articles about towns have what seems to be an excessive list of shop chains. For example Stratford-upon-Avon lists Asda Living, B&Q, Argos, Pizza Hut, WHSmith, Subway, The Big Fish, Game, Jollyes Pet Shop, Boots, M&S Foodhall, Sports Direct, New Look, Outfit, Poundstretcher, Pets at Home, Halfords, Matalan, Next and Costa Coffee. In particular Costa Coffee seems to be linked from practically every town article. This hardly seems to be necessary but it is so widespread that it doesn't seem practical to open a discussion on every talk page. They look like spam to me. Is there some guideline?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Shantavira, I would agree those are both unnecessary and unnecessarily promotional. Are you noticing that, for instance, all the Costa Coffee links are being added by the same user? Remove them and see what happens. If someone reverts, ping them to a new section on the talk page and discuss. —valereee (talk) 17:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Junk like that falls under WP:UNDUE and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. I advise purging them mercilessly whenever you find them. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Citing an article spreading over more than one issue

What's the correct way to cite an article serialized over more than one journal issue, like first two Ben Duncan entries here - ? Retired electrician (talk) 16:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, Retired electrician we usually cite sentences or at least paragraphs, information that is proported.. generally in a specific page (or at least over a couple pages). You will see bibliographies, but you should try to cite to a specifical page in this case. What is that cannot be sourced to just one of the journals? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

It is one journal. One article spread over two issues. The subject isn't that hot to warrant citing whole sentences or paragraphs, plain sfn is sufficient. Retired electrician (talk) 20:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

President Trumps page is political Prejudice

I have found that there are many prejudice sentences in the Article. I was under the understanding that this is a honest information site and not a political gaining entity writing. I am disappointed at this unfair practice. Very disappointed, and I'm not recommending this site for information anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nettywoods (talk • contribs) 17:33, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nettywoods: Welcome to wikipedia. If you have ideas on how to improve the article, please start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 17:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nettywoods: When you post on Talk:Donald Trump (or any other article talk page) to suggest improvements, please be sure to be specific with the sentences that could be improved and provide independent reliable sources. Thanks for helping to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

• @Nettywoods: Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias. Any bias in independent reliable sources will be reflected in Wikipedia. Wikipedia presents the sources to allow readers to judge them and their bias for themselves. As noted, if you have suggestions for improvement, please offer them. 331dot (talk) 18:48, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Someone keeps reporting me for no reason

Hi there!

Someone by the name of [Juliette Han] keeps reporting me although I am doing nothing wrong. I have tried to change the thumbnail image on the [Mindy Kaling] page because the [Mindy Kaling] image from the 2019 Montclair Film Festival is not an accurate representation of Mrs. Kaling. It misrepresents her in an unflattering manner and is not an up to date image. I have been trying to update it to a more accurate and encyclopedic image. I donated my image (I took it so it was my property) to Wiki to avoid any copyright issues, but yet this individual has reported me for copyright. I have tried to go through the correct levels of warning them of using an unencyclopedic image, but they instead said I was the vandaliser. I am simply trying to make the page more accurate and instead am being harassed. Please help! DayvonHole (talk) 19:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@DayvonHole: I can see on User talk:DayvonHole that you have been involved in an edit war over this image. While you believe that the new image is better, other editors disagree. Instead of making the same change multiple times, the appropriate thing to do is discuss your ideas in a civil manner at the article talk page: Talk:Mindy Kaling. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@DayvonHole: Also, if you work for "Mrs. Kaling", please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. GoingBatty (talk) 19:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

DayvonHole, you are attempting to use brute force and persistence in order that a photo you took should be the main photo for the article Mindy Kaling., ignoring escalating warnings. Your account is very close to being blocked. What you should have done was ask others at Talk:Mindy Kaling for their opinions of the new photo, then reach a consensus. In my opinion, it is unflattering and taken from a steep angle.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

He did not take the photo. He uploaded a copyrighted photo claiming it to be his own work. I have nominated the image for speedy deletion on Commons. --MrClog (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

He has also been leaving misleading user warning templates on our talk pages. Ed6767 (talk) 19:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Ed6767 and MrClog I did take the photo!! I took it with my own iPhone!! I have no idea how to use wiki and I have been doing my best to abide by the rules. I did research and was informed that I should add a warning to your change because it used an unencyclopedic image Ed6767. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DayvonHole (talk • contribs) 20:19, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

DayvonHole I have to agree with the editors above. I just did a reverse search on the image in question and found it on other websites, one that you can't just create an account and upload it. I am sorry to say this, but you just hurt your cause by lying. If you aren't lying and you did in fact take that image, you might need to disclose that, as the image is on other websites. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:25, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Elijahandskip Are you talking about the Montclair photo? I did not take that--I have tried to change it to a personal photo that I have taken that Juliette Han keeps saying is copyrighted. The photo I am trying to change it to is one that I took from The Late Late Show set. DayvonHole (talk) 20:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

DayvonHole, I am wanting to clarify, is this the photo you want to add or what is it in relation to the conflict? a photo you took. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: The purpose of an image is to identify the subject. The image being submitted by DayvonHole doesn't do that as well as File:Mindy Kaling (46863597125) (cropped).jpg, which is the current version. The current version is clearer, taken at a direct angle, and is more suitable as a portrait. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:18, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Cross-wiki watchlisting?

Is there a way to include Commons pages on my enwiki watchlist? CJK09 (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

There is none. Global watchlist is a long standing community desire that has not been realized yet. Ruslik_Zero 20:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Category Market research companies by country, formerly (and should be) Marketing research

Category:Market research companies by country, which was correctly named Category:Marketing research companies by country, houses 16 SubCats named Marketing. The terms are not identical: Market research and Marketing research each have a wiki article.

I am seeking to restore the correct naming.

I tried WP:REFUND (since one of the two actions was a delete). There I was directed to WP:CFD. One of the two people who did the summertime rename REVERTED my request at CFD with one word: Misplaced.

I am coming to the help desk based on the first word of your desk's name. Pi314m (talk) 20:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation hatnote if there is no article?

Does anyone know if we ever use hatnotes to disambiguate a subject from another subject who doesn't have an article? Here's the scenario:

• Aarushi Sharma is an Indian model and actor. She looks like this.
• There is another actor, Arushi Sharma. She looks like this and appeared in a film called Love Aaj Kal.

The second one, however, does not have an article, but twice recently,[1][2] people have mistakenly attributed the movie Love Aaj Kal to the first actor. It seems like a hatnote would help suppress the confusion, I'm just not sure if that's typically done. Thoughts? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

 Comment: Judging from a number of biometric features (cheekbones, jawline, cranium, hairline, earlobe, etc.), I believe the two photos are of the same person. Although the the articles were published only 8 days apart, the photos might represent pre/post lip augmentation. 107.15.157.44 (talk) 22:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

The one with the existing article tends to appear in Punjabi-language projects. Love Aaj Kal is a Hindi film. Note also this anon editor's comment. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:03, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: In this case, I don't believe a hatnote is warranted; a discussion on the article's takpage is the best option. Since that page is not likely to get a response any time soon, I recommend WP:Reference desk/Entertainment for finding differentiation information. Although I've only compared the two photos, I think they are the same person -- she could simply be bilingual (or at least learned the script). 107.15.157.44 (talk) 19:42, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Query from 1106kathleen

Hi,

I am assisting someone of notable standard in Poland. The polish wikipedia on them can be found here, https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Blass. They were active and involved in another notable entity, in Poland, and that wikipedia page can be found here https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klub_Poszukiwaczy_Sprzeczno%C5%9Bci. However, the latter page has no mention of the individual involved who was the President of the organization for 14+ years (i.e. notable to be listed on the wikipedia article). Since the individual already has a wikipedia article RE: themselves, would it be allowed to add information regarding this and then use primary sources? I am having a bit of trouble understanding all of the ins and outs of required sources.

On the same note, are you able to request a wikipedia article be created/added to another language's wikipedia? I.e. can I create an english version of the polish artciles above? (this his my main question) 1106kathleen (talk) 21:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)1106kathleen

@1106kathleen: For questions about the Polish Wikipedia, please contact their help desk. Yes, you can create an English version of articles on the Polish Wikipedia - see Wikipedia:Translation - provided that the topics meet the English Wikipedia's standards for notability. GoingBatty (talk) 22:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

1106kathleen, Polish-language Wikipedia doesn't obviously have a help desk that's closely equivalent to this one. However, Portal wikipedystów has a lot of links, among which one or two are likely to offer answers to your first question. -- Hoary (talk) 22:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

1106kathleen, if you are assisting Józef Blass, then you should also read the conflict of interest guidance and are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly. TSventon (talk) 22:36, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing my Page on the site didn't work and now information is missing. Below is the original and I would appreciate if it could be reinserted. Thank-you

Ron Burnett (1947) is an author, professor and the President Emeritus and Research Director for the new Centre for Transdisciplinary Studies at Emily Carr University of Art and Design. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rburnettatemilycarr (talk • contribs) 21:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

(Redacted)

I've removed the bulk of the entire pasted article, since there's no need cluttering up the help desk with it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rburnettatemilycarr: When I compare the article dump you added here against the current version, there is no difference. So it's unclear what missing content you are complaining about. Also, you have a clear conflict of interest and are strongly discouraged from editing that article at all. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:07, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rburnettatemilycarr: However, you can suggest edits for other editors to make at Talk:Ron Burnett and/or Talk:Emily Carr University of Art and Design, as long as you provide independent reliable sources. GoingBatty (talk) 23:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rburnettatemilycarr: ...and you disclose your conflict of interest, of course. GoingBatty (talk) 00:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

May 5

Change of User name

How do I change my Wikipedia user name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by YoRuggerDude (talk • contribs) 01:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Having your name changed means work for somebody else. Your contributions so far under this name have been so few that it just isn't worth that other person's time. Therefore simply create a new user ID and use that. -- Hoary (talk) 01:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Image Copyright

Hello, I am recently uploading several of my images on the Wikipedia articles I'm creating. That being said, I assure that these works are solely mine and I own the entire copyright. However, after uploading them on Wikipedia, do I still own the Copyright to them or Wikipedia does and I cannot use them anywhere else on my upcoming works? If so, I will have to consider stopping uploading my images. I'd like to get some help on this.

Update: Quisqualis, It's a bad thing then. I have uploaded some photos of rare insects and would like to withdraw them now, i.e. reclaim my copyright as I was not aware of it before. Is there any chance I could delete those images? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajankc (talk • contribs) 06:19, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajankc (talk • contribs) 04:23, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Sajankc, all material on Wikipedia is free to use (by you or by anyone else) for any purpose. You give up your copyright when you upload your photo. If another party then uses "your" image for their own purposes (even commercial), you have no recourse.--Quisqualis (talk) 06:04, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sajankc:, to clarify, you still own the copyright - you retain the right to do anything you want with it, but you grant an extremely permissive license to Wikimedia, allowing it to be reused both on and offsite so long as they credit you and duplicate the license. Nosebagbear (talk) 08:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Nosebagbear: Thank you. I'd be okay as long as I get the credit for my works. I'd be really pissed if I saw my works in someone else's publications/works without due credits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajankc (talk • contribs) 11:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sajankc: You have uploaded them under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license, meaning others are legally required to give proper credit to you. --MrClog (talk) 11:49, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

MrClog: That's much assuring. Thank you so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajankc (talk • contribs) 12:04, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sajankc:You still own the copyright. You have now provided a very permissive license to anyone who copies it directly or indirectly from Wikipedia, but it's not an "exclusive" license, so you, the copyright owner, are free to use the images yourself in any way, and you are free to license the images to others under a different license. For example, CC-BY-SA requires that "derivative works" also have a CC-BY-SA license, so someone who wants to use your image on a web page or in a book would have to license the web page or book under CC-BY-SA. But they could instead come to you and negotiate for a different license. -Arch dude (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Language/Spelling

Hello, I'm curious if there's a way of changing the type of English spelling that I see when I use Wikipedia. I'd like to see either Canadian or UK English and not the American spelling. I'm finding that my kids are picking up bad habits and I'd like to nip it in the bud.

Thank you Mike Davis — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeDavis78 (talk • contribs) 04:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello MikeDavis78. Not that I know of, but perhaps there's some clever off-WP gadget somewhere. You may find WP:ENGVAR of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:19, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean text within an article, or within the Wikipedia framework itself? As mentioned above, Engvar is a good starting point - some articles are inherently American (Donald Trump), some are British (Harry Potter) and some are Canadian (Wayne Gretzky). Where an article has definite ties to a specific country, that country's English variation is used and if you see any discrepencies in such articles you're free to change them - and indeed you should. Some articles will have hidden templates in them to specify a particular usage - the Gretzky article has the following:

{{Use Canadian English|date=June 2019}}
{{Use mdy dates|date=January 2019}}

You should be aware - people can get uncharacteristically precious over spellings, especially geographical variations. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Using a single reference across multiple articles

Is it possible to use the same reference across multiple articles, without having to type it out in full each time? We can use transclude to copy chunks of article "A" and reflect them in article "B" - can you do a similar thing with references? Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:34, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Chaheel Riens. Yes, you can transclude a file containing a reference. See here, where I'm transcluding User:ColinFine/samplereference. Whether there's any point in doing so is another question. And I haven't found a way to put the <ref> .. </ref> in the transclusion without getting a newline before the citation. --ColinFine (talk) 09:50, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chaheel Riens: I'm a bit concerned about this. When you transclude, changes to the ref are not reflected in the change history of the articles into which the ref is included. By convention we use transclusion from template space and in a few other somewhat obscure places. I can see and advantage to your proposal, in certain cases, but I hope you will either include from template space, or in some other carefully-considered way. One possibility would be to add a transclude-able section in an article about the reference when such an article exists. -Arch dude (talk) 17:31, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, what set me thinking about it was a few recent edits over at Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle, Jumanji: The Next Level and subsequently Kevin Hart regarding whether his character is named "Moose" or "Mouse". I wondered if there was a simple way of using the same film quote that clarifies this referenced across all three articles, and as I've used transclusion before (Tharg the Mighty) wondered again if this may be the way. In this example it's not really practical to transclude article content, it's the reference supporting content that's needed.

If a change is made to a section of article "A" which is transcluded into article "B" - is article "B"s history updated as well? Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

No. If article B is not edited, B's history is not updated. Changes in templates or any other pages transcluded in B do not appear in B's history. That is one reason why a number of templates say that they should be {{subst}}ed rather than transcluded. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

References

Ok, I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding then - @Arch dude: seemed to imply that a change to a transcluded ref not updating the target article history was unusual, but that seems to be the norm? If that's the case then what's the difference between using a ref in transclusion or a regular piece of text for an article? Not being arsey, just wanting to know. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:35, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

No difference. Any transclusion has this same effect. It's just that transclusion is not widely used except in conjunction with templates, so a casual user or editor may not be sensitive to it. If I am monitoring a page and it has a transcluded ref, then if you change the ref I will not be notified. This is not technically wrong, but it just feels funny. -Arch dude (talk) 21:00, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Minor Edits

Hello, I'm having trouble posting minor edits. After making an edit, when I tick the minor edits box it often prompts me that it's about to leave the page (without saving), and if I get past that and tick the box and add my edit summary before pressing publish, it often reverts to the old article before the edit was made. It's frustrating to say the least. Any help would be much appreciated.Berek (talk) 08:39, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

It did not happen for me. Maybe it's a bug in your version? Wynn Liaw (talk) 14:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Deleted question

I advised an editor they could have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest on the helpdesk yesterday and they deleted their question. Is this acceptable, or should I revert their edit so the query can be archived? TSventon (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, TSventon. WP:REDACT makes it clear that that is not acceptable behaviour. It doesn't say explicitly what action should be taken: I would say that reinstating the whole discussion is appropriate, and perhaps warning the user. --ColinFine (talk) 11:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, ColinFine that was what I thought, but I couldn't find the guidance. I have reinstated the discussion and informed the user. TSventon (talk) 12:00, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding anthem of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia

Hello, I am relatively new to Wikipedia, so I thought I would ask a question here.

I have a better sound quality anthem of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia than what is featured on the article of the same name. I wanted to ask if we should replace the older version, and to hear others opinions on the matter. I can upload the sound file for review if requested.

If this is an inappropriate place to ask this question, please do tell me. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ViceChairman6492 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

The right place to discuss it is on the talk page of the article in question. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

ViceChairman6492 This isn't necessarily an inappropriate place to ask, but a better place would be the article talk page, where editors that monitor that article regularly can weigh in and assist if needed. The talk page is at Talk:Kingdom of Yugoslavia. 331dot (talk) 13:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

• The anthem that is currently there is Public Domain due to age. The recording you have will also have to be freely licensed in order to use it here. Crow^Caw 13:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick response. ViceChairman6492 (talk) 13:39, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I am the owner of a page and people are erasing my updates

Hello,

The International SeaKeepers Society is my page for my company, people keep reverting the page back to 2015 edits, how can I keep people from deletingall of my updates?

- Ariel — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMadison463 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@AMadison463: Hi Ariel, nobody "owns" pages on Wikipedia. In addition, it is strongly discouraged to edit your own pages, see WP:COI. Sorry about that. Ed6767 (talk) 15:13, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) (Courtesy link: International SeaKeepers Society)

AMadison463, Hi Ariel. Unfortunately, nobody owns Wikipedia articles, and in particular not the people that they're written about. (See WP:OWN for more on this.) It looks like your edits were removed because they were considered not to be neturally written, and perhaps to be promotional in tone. Wikipedia tries hard to prevent things from a neutral point of view.

If the ISKS is your company, you should also read WP:PSCOI, which is a practical guide to handling a conflict of interest. In particular, you should declare your COI (i.e. that it's your company) on your user page or user talk page, and, in general, request that edits to the ISKS article be made on its talk page, rather than editing the article directly.

(By the way, if I'm correct that User:AMB463 is also you, you should note that you shouldn't use two accounts to contribute to Wikipedia, as it may be considered sock puppetry, which isn't allowed.) YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 15:20, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@AMadison463: if by "your company" you mean that you are an employee or officer of the company or are otherwise compensated for editing, then you are not just "discouraged" from editing the article: you are prohibited from editing the article by the Wikimedia foundation's terms of use for this web site, which you agree to each time you hit the "publish" button. Please read WP:PAID. We do value your input. Please make edit suggestions on the article's talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 16:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Requesting Flickr images to be uploaded to Commons

Is there a place where you can request other users to upload Flickr photos to Commons? Also, is there a place where you can request cropped versions of current Commons images? Sorry if this is not the correct place for this, I wasn't sure where to post this. Carfan568 (talk) 16:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carfan568: If a Flickr image has been given a CC-BY-SA license at Flickr by the photographer that took it, then you may upload it to Commons. If it does not have the proper copyright license, then neither you nor anyone else except the copyright holder may upload it to commons. See Flickr's copyright page. If you are the photographer and it's your Flickr account, then give it the proper license at Flickr, and then upload it to Commons. -Arch dude (talk) 16:30, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carfan568: There are several ways to crop an image. One way is to use Commons:CropTool. -Arch dude (talk) 16:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Sorry for not clarifying, but is there a place where I can specifically request other people to do so, if I give a link to a picture with a proper license? Carfan568 (talk) 16:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carfan568: We are all volunteers, so you will need to attract the attention of someone who likes to do this stuff. I think you will have better luck over on Commons. Try starting at c:Help:Contents. It's often easier to learn to upload and crop yourself, but you are right, different folks may have different skills and interests. -Arch dude (talk) 18:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Iwilsonp made a change that I don’t agree with.

How do I have this discussion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HollyWpress (talk • contribs) 16:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

HollyWpress You begin a discussion on the article talk page, explaining why you disagree with the edit, preferably with reasons based in Wikipedia guidelines, but at least using logical arguments. 331dot (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

printing of a broad page doesn't work

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ElectronPdf&page=Comparison+of+e-readers&action=show-download-screen

The printing of a broad page (typically here the tables) doesn't work correctly, the last columns are not printed.

What is the solution ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ym21 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I just received a FINAL WARNING for an ordinary edit (please see the last post on the TALK page of my username)

I removed a sentence from the headline of the article, Frank J. Tipler. The sentence in question states that a certain scientist has supposedly labelled his ideas as "pseudoscience". I believe that such form of criticism, if valid, should be explored in the body of the article, provided that the source is notable, and the point is fully developed. I even referenced this in the edit note. The person object of this article is an established scientist himself, and any sense of basic precautionary principle should clearly side on avoiding such type of labels in any case, specially in the headline (See: https://www.americanscientist.org/blog/from-the-staff/stop-using-the-word-pseudoscience)

I was threatened with being banned from Wikipedia for defaming the scientist that was referenced to make this label, George Ellis.

This judgment and the threat that I received is problematic on multiple levels.

First of all, is asserting that any given individual is not an authority on what constitutes science a form defamation, or indeed even any sort of personal attack? I believe it is common knowledge that there is no authority on who defines what is science. This is central to my point and to what I've been accused of.

The point of my edit was that it was an arbitrary label that falls short of properly considering the 'due weight' principle. I would even add that George Ellis himself would probably not be comfortable with such distinction. I believe my edit note was completely misconstrued as a form of defamation.

Furthermore, what makes it especially bizarre was the way the issue of authority was evoked to suggest a form of "defamation against biographical living persons". This was an edit to remove an assertion on the grounds of undue weight in the article of another person. It seems arbitrary to consider that this particular scientist is an authority on how Frank J.Tipler should be classified. Had I been guilty of failing to recognize this scientist's expertise, or notability for this particular assertion (which I was not), it would still not constitute a case of defamation against anyone.

In conclusion:

Generally, it could be considered problematic to label someone has being pseudoscientific based on the consensus of the scientific community. This is a problem worth a discussion of itself. In this case, I think it's safe to say that establishing a label from a particular individual is particularly egregious. And to read from the removal of this label as a form of defamation on my part is very hard to understand.

On a personal level, I must say that this threat is somewhat ironic, considering that my edit has solid grounds for being precisely the removal of a potential source of defamation.

Maziotis (talk) 18:07, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy ping to @ජපස: who doled out the warning. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 18:35, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the courtesy ping. I'll let others handle this. I don't think this user understands the basic rules of Wikipedia. jps (talk) 18:41, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I would like to understand how I am being accused of defaming someone for whom I have not made any personal consideration whatsoever. Aside from my judgement as an editor on "Due Weight" in the article, this seems to be the central issue and the basis of the ban threat. Exactly what basic rule am I missing? Maziotis (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Here's the thing, articles that fall under WP:FRINGE are very carefully monitored and checked to make sure they are treated according to that guideline. As Wikipedia is a WP:MAINSTREAM encyclopedia, we are tasked with reporting mainstream evaluations. You may not like that a scientist declared Tipler's work to be pseudoscience, but that's what happened. The criticism is clearly attributed and is reliably articulated. It is extremely problematic to remove such mainstream evaluation while at the same time declaring in the edit summary that the scientist to whom the statement is attributed is not qualified to decide what science is. BLP is only one of the many issues with this approach. I think you are trying to right great wrongs here. That should be done on a website other than Wikipedia. jps (talk) 19:10, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't even know anything about Tipler's work. All I know is that he is an established physicist, and that it doesn't make much sense to have a label about him on the headline that is essentially a comment from a colleague scientist.

I feel there is more than one issue here. Aside from the issue of authority and consensus on the term "pseudoscience", and even if you don't accept my edit on the grounds of "due weight", I still don't see how I defamed George Ellis. My point had nothing to do with Ellis's credibility and work as a scientist, or any other consideration on his character. As for the reliability of his considerations, I particularly addressed this by saying that they ARE relevant. Maziotis (talk) 19:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

If you don't know anything about the subject, it would probably be a good idea to start learning about the subject before you begin removing sourced information. jps (talk) 19:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

But I do know about the subject. I know he is a scientist. I know that the article is a biography about a person. And I have worked many years on the policy of due weight. What I know about 'general relativity' or 'string theory' is not relevant here. Maziotis (talk) 19:38, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Side note: There is nothing problamatic in stating that George Ellis is not the final authority on what constitutes science (which is a point that is relevant to my edit). Obviously, he is qualified as a scientist to help determine the scientific consensus on the matter, which should be discussed in the article according to policy. I think you may have missed my point or I didn't explain it properly.Maziotis (talk) 20:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

• Maziotis, if you read our article George F. R. Ellis, you will see that George Ellis is extremely well qualified as an authority on what constitutes real cosmology, versus pseudoscience. Also, you seem to be forgetting to mention that ජපස only warned you after you had started edit warring for your preferred version. In view of your belligerent edit summaries (please discuss content only, not other editors, especially in edit summaries), I think the warning was very reasonable. Bishonen | tålk 20:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC).

Please don't redirect me to George Ellis' page. I think you may be missing the point. I didn't question George Ellis' qualification as a scientist in any way. Nor am I weighing in on the validity of his statement. The issue here is not about cosmology. It's about due weight, or perhaps philosophy of science or scientific method, but not cosmology. Any valid scientific argument against Tipler's work should be discussed in the body of the article. There are no grounds for labels in the headline, specially from a single scientist (?!). George Ellis is qualified to criticize Tipler. I never questioned that. I believe scientists are qualified to criticize one another. This is true even when there isn't a scientific consensus on a matter. That is precisely the point of science.

This suspicion of a personal bias on my part is nonsense. I didn't know any of these names until I stumble on Tipler's page yesterday, and I have not made any changes on the George Ellis' article. So, I'm not trying to "right a wrong" here, as it has been suggested. I make small edits to better Wikipedia from time to time, as you can see by my 18-year-something history in here.

Also, I did not start any edit war. I stated my reason for the change, as cited in the text above. A different user changed it back with a personal note about Tipler. If anyone is not respecting policy, it isn't me. Maziotis (talk) 21:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)