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    User:Arthur Ellis

    The following diffs show the offending behavior
    This edit made by 209.217.79.235, is a clear violation of his ban, but also is a legal threat, personal attack (calling an editor an "asshole"), and a violation of privacy (he should not be reprinting what he claims is someone's private email or any part of it)
    Here he edits an article that he is banned from while under a one-month ban.
    Summation

    I was a non-involved contributer to the Warren Kinsella arb-comm and a party in the Rachel Marsden Arb. Comm.

    Bucketsofg 14:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • What do you suggest? The second edit looks like a minor factual correction, but the apparent contempt for the ban is an issue which needs to be addressed. Guy (Help!) 15:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    At Talk:Rachel Marsden Fred Bauder has noted that the IP is also used by an innocent bystander. Generally Arthur Ellis edits from short-term IP addresses that he can reset if he wants to, so the most we can do is a 24 hour block anyway. He certainly has contempt for the ban, and for the whole arbitration process in general. There are ways to address his concerns besides editing the article himself, but is is unwilling to avail himself. Other than resetting the 1 month ban timer and reverting his edits, there is not much that can be practically done. I do think that Mark Bourrie, Rachel Marsden and Warren Kinsella should be permanently s-protected, but other than that... Thatcher131 15:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    There's nothing you can do. He will just set up sock puppet user accounts, change IPs at will, maybe change server companies if he needs to. Buckets lies about his dealings with Ellis. He shouldn't have pissed him off. Why should Ellis respect Wikipedia rules when they have been used against him and his friends for Bucket's political purposes?

    NuclearUmpf

    Zer0faults (talk · contribs), now editing as User:NuclearUmpf, is on probation. "He may be banned for an appropriate period of time from an article or set of articles which he disrupts by tendentious editing or edit warring," per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Zer0faults. He has been disrupting User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard by edit warring:

    Reported by: Tom Harrison Talk 16:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    See also constant maintence tag reverts at Image:Al-douri12.jpg (after being repeatedly directed to respond at PUIdisputed) and Image:NPC-Paul-Thompson.jpg, which is just a direct request for a link to the release, never fufilled. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I've warned him in good faith to try to avoid edit and revert warring, and asked him to simply provide a link to the image and the license for 'NPC-Paul-Thompson.jpg'. I'm hopeful Zer0 can avoid a block by focusing on content (the relevant licensing requirements), and avoiding non-disruptive conduct. Thanks all. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 17:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I've asked him nicely about GabrielF's page. I suspect the copyright problems are a misunderstanding. If the US government creates an image, it is PD, but if it uses an image from elsewhere, the image is still subject to its original copyright. It is entirely possible that the Defense Dept violated someone's copyright in using the image, but since I don't know the status of official Iraqi government docs (which I suspect this is), I can't say one way or the other. Thatcher131 17:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I was only aware of the 'Thompson' revert war, which is similarly a copyright issue. As you are, I'm similarly hopeful these disputes will be resolved amicably. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 17:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Wow still hawking my contrib, who would have though. Anyway if Wikipedia is gonig to allow these users to start tagging all my contributions and harassing me, they are all from the same noticeboard, then I will gladly edit wikipedia from now on anonymously. --NuclearZer0 18:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It was a civil message I left for you, one which you summarily deleted from your user page with the edit summary 'giggle narf point' (is that a 'Pinky and the Brain' reference?). Your degree of emotion, apparent desire to be disruptive and disregard for the community about this minor issue seems inappropriate to me. As far as 'hawking your contribs', no. If I had done so, surely I would have noticed you edit warring on three separate articles, not just the one I notified you of in good faith. Ominous threatening to 'go anon' is meaningless to me, given your history of less-than-cooperative conduct as Zer0. It's my understanding that this account is your last chance to edit under an open name (one easily corroborated with your ArbCom probation), so I wholeheartedly recommend you don't blow it on something as meaningless as this. Whatever your decision, I wish you well. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 18:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Degree of emotion? I said I do not mind editing anonymously and you write a paragraph, wow just wow. Have a cup of tea. --NuclearZer0 19:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, don't mind if I do. I'd appreciate it if you restored my warning to your talk page, but in light of your disruptive behavior I don't expect you to do so, since you've once again wiped the entire topic from your user page. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 19:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    He can do what he wants to his own talk page. Thatcher131 19:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Not contested. I'm familiar with the rules. However a user like Zer0 - on ArbCom probation for tendentious editing - may want to intently focus on solving the dispute, rather than ignoring it by blanking and revert warring - don't you agree that would be a more productive path? What we are 'allowed' to do is not always what we 'should' do in the interests of collaboration. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 19:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Your degree of emotion considering the situation is a bit high, I am choosing to disengage from you as you are a bit more invested in this conversation for some odd reason then I am. I hope you find a better way to channel your feelings. Happy New Year. --NuclearZer0 19:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    'Parroting' other users as you do here is also rude. I'm glad, however, that you are choosing to let the issue go. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 23:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Please note that Nuclear Zero has just [3] posted a long treatise to Thatcher's talk page describing his role in organized efforts to form 'teams' to avoid 3RR while 'defending' POV - most specifically his having 'posed as neutral' as part of an organized team to defend his 'team's' version of edits. That's organized gaming of 3RR, revert and edit warring, improper use of image tags and uncivil conduct, all evident in a cursory review of Zer0's last 24 hours. What more egregious conduct is needed before this user (who is already on probation against tendentious editing) is finally perma'blocked? Good Lord. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 23:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The problem is, the allegations involve a wide range of editors not previously covered in arbitration. If any action were to be taken, the other named editors would have to be able to speak for themselves. Nuclear also claims to have left the group, and Morton D denies there ever was a group. You'll have to open a new arbitration case if you want to try and address that statement. The only thing I see in the last 24 hours is revert warring over his own talk page (against a British Telecom IP address) and some misunderstandings about image policy. Thatcher131 03:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    No, the allegations involving others can be discarded. Nuclear's own admission regarding his OWN conduct is what I've mentioned. 'Some misunderstandings about image policy' is a less-than-neutral way to describe 3 reverts each on two images, wouldn't you admit? I don't need to open a new case to discuss Nuclear's own admission of his own disregard for his prior probation - that's silly. I have no interest in chasing this latest dust devil of his. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 03:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    On the subject of the images, I don't blame him for feeling that his uploads were being targeted by his usual opponents. He clearly has a misunderstanding about the role of the US govt in publishing the deck of cards, not understanding that publication does not affect the underlying copyright of the image. (Imagine if the Fed Gvt could render any copyright into public domain simply by republishing it--it would be the mother of all unconstitutional takings.) I asked him to find some neutral copyright experts to advise him and as far as I know the issue with the images is over.
    On the subject of his supposed disclosure, He may be banned for an appropriate period of time from an article or set of articles which he disrupts by tendentious editing or edit warring. It may be a technical point, but off-wiki coordination and gaming the system are not listed here as a prohibited activity. More generally, if edits by this "group" did not raise suspicions at the time, then they weren't disruptive, and there is no basis to hold Nuclear singularly responsible for them. (I don't see how you can dismiss the other members of the alleged group in order to hold Nuclear uniquely responsible.) He also says he is no longer part of the group (which Morton denies exists), so if we are going to accept Nuclear's word that a group exists, we have to accept his word that he left. His probation is meant to prevent continued or future disruptive editing, not punish past acts, about which you haven't been specific in any case. Thatcher131 04:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It hasn't prevented disruptive editing.
    Once again, I'm ignoring the 'foil' of whether Nuclear's cabal claims (links provided) are true and focusing on what he has said about his own conduct... 'posing as neutral' in order to game WP. His revert warring on the images (links provided) is just part of a larger picture - continued disruptive editing. Claiming a cabal exists, and accusing other users is also certainly disruptive (again, whether or not such a group exists or not is irrelevant - the claim is disruptive in and of itself) as is his admission of his own intent and conduct (link provided as above). Specific links have been provided. The acts in question (multiple revert wars, accusing others of cabal, intentionally gaming WP, improper use of image tags, etc.) all took place recently, well AFTER his probation, and are of course relevant... this is not 'punishing past acts', it's addressing recent acts in violation of probation. In any case (thankfully), it's ArbCom's decision, not yours. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 04:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Those reverts are not on his own page, but on GabrielF's page. Or am I misunderstanding you? Tom Harrison Talk 03:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I forgot about the GabrielF page. The problem is, probation is not meant to short circuit all other forms of dispute resolution, and it is not a license to keep reverting him until you can report it as a violation. No one tried to talk to him about the inclusion of the MfD, just reverted back and reported here. I feel confident you will not find a single arbitrator who feels probation should be treated this way, and I invite you to ask around. (I will gladly admit my error if I am proven wrong.) After I talked to him, he stopped. (Ultimately, GabrielF has control over his page, and if he wants the MfD listed or not listed, or wants to ban Nuclear—or anyone else—from posting, that should be respected.)
    In the last week there have been two edit wars on his talk page, the nomination of one of his subages for MfD, listing two of his recent image uploads for deletion, and a 3RR block for him and Hipocrite. I don't know exactly what is going on, but I'm not surprised he feels ganged up on. Thatcher131 04:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    In the words of a wise man, "don't start nothin', won't be nothin'." Nuclear's a big boy and we are each responsible for our own conduct. He's been through an ArbCom process, is on probation and is being held to an appropriately higher set of standards. Now, on his second screenname, he hasn't visibly made an effort to keep above the fray - he's continued to be at the center of acrimonious debate after acrimonious debate. All users should be as fortunate as Zer0 to have your unflinching, apparently unconditional support. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 04:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Nuclear's probation allows him to be banned from articles he disrupts. That means, in the present instant, GabrielF's noticeboard and the two images under consideration for deletion. The disruption, if such it was, stopped after I asked nicely, and I will not take punitive action at this time. If we take his admission at face value, he could be banned for disruptive editing of other articles. Which articles? You haven't said. All 9/11 conspiracy articles? Or would you just like him generally banned? There is no basis for that in the previous case. I maintain that there is not a single arbitrator who would enforce his current probation in the current circumstances, against either the recent edit warring (in which no attempt at dispute resolution was made before filing three near-simultaneous complaints here) or with respect to his admission. Ask them. If you can find even one to disagree with me, I will publically acknowledge my error and will recuse myself from any further dealings with NuclearUmpf and the surrounding cast of characters. In fact, I may leave arbitration enforcement entirely, my errors in judgement having been proved. Go ahead. Thatcher131 05:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Thatcher131, tell me more about this 'cast of characters.' If you treat people like they are in a conspiracy against you, they will act like they are. If you believe NuclearUmpf is a brave whistle-blower being persecuted by some shadowy group, maybe you should recuse yourself.Tom Harrison Talk 12:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Every good drama needs a cast of characters, both black hats and white hats. I don't have any particular opinion on which side wears which color hat, I'm just tired of the whole thing. In the present case I do not believe probation was meant to be enforced in the way you want. I would like to note that my "recusal" would not have much effect, since the result (no action from me) would be the same and my opinions are certainly not binding on any other admins who look into the situation. Thatcher131 13:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Let's see, I'm accused of being in secret email contact with a group of people, as acting as their "talk page provacateur," yet my only edits to 9/11 conspiracy articles for literally months has been to step on NU's new adopted savior of all that is nonsense, but you can't tell who the good guys and who the bad guys are? Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Call it deliberate avoidance of the issue. I'm sure that if I looked thoroughly into the content of the edits I would have many strong opinions about edits and editors. (And I did recommend leaving the new timeline out, if you recall.) I'm trying to deal impartially with accusations of disruptive editing behavior. I am still processing Nuclear's "admission" and it has not influced my opinion on this enforcement request in either direction. I simply don't think that probation was meant to be enforced in the manner and for the reasons for which enforcement was requested (so many posts ago). I could be wrong. I asked for clarification once before and was ignored, I plan to ask again. Thatcher131 13:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    While I would be delighted if you would recuse yourself from dealings with this 'cast of characters', I made very clear that I wouldn't 'like' him banned at all - and I've been clear about that from the outset. (see above in this very section). I made a concerted effort to resolve this with Zer0 by posting on the pages in question, and his talk page, requesting he provide proof of the license status, rather than delete the requests and revert warring the associated tags. When I asked Zer0 as you did, he wiped my request. And then you flatly stated that he's allowed to do so, rather than doing the right thing - which would have been to neutrally encourage him to engage in dialogue with me or others to resolve the dispute. After you then asked him yourself to address the specific image status, it would appear he may have listened to you, and not to me, as he didn't wipe your request from his talk page as he did mine. Attempts at dispute resolution were made - and Zer0 wiped them out with snarky 'giggle' edit comments. I continue to be nonplussed by your representation of these events as so one-sided - you appear to discount those bringing these valid instances in favor of Zer0, so your recusal may indeed be called for. To me, as I've stated before the issue is the 'disruptive nature of his conduct', and I welcome whatever remedy will either address those instances of disruptive conduct (which have been listed here) effectively, or end them altogether. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 05:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    He's allowed to remove messages from his own talk page. It's not particularly friendly and it's discouraged, but it is allowed, and I don't know any admin who will block over it (there have been numerous dicussions around this issue on the admin noticeboards involving many different admins and many different editors). Removing good faith notices and refusing to discuss things with certain editors is not in the spirit of wikipedia (as well as being somewhat, um, childish), but I doubt that edit warring over the notices is likely to improve his outlook. Edit warring on the image pages themselves is out of bounds, but that's resolved now and not an ongoing problem. Pages bans per the probation are intended to prevent further disruption to allow other editors to get on with editing; I don't see that banning him from editing those images would have any purpose now, as long as he allows the fair use evaluation process to proceed. What else would you like done? You say you don't want him banned, but above you cite his admissions as grounds for a permablock. Thatcher131 05:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I never edit warred over a single notice Zer0 deleted from his user page... as doing so would be lowering myself to that same, childish level.
    I certainly hope his revert warring over image tags, etc. won't be an ongoing problem - but I only have your promises to that effect and we are each alone responsible for our conduct. No one can guarantee the actions of another, and Zer0 himself has not made a commitment to try once again to avoid edit warring - in fact, he's instead threatened to use proxies to avoid accountability - more questionable and non-collaborative conduct that violates the spirit (if not the letter) of his probation. So I remain less confident than you may be that his conduct is 'resolved and not an ongoing problem'.
    Hmmm, since it was only after Zer0 admitted misrepresenting himself and gaming AfD and 3RR in such an egregious and mean-spirited way (and accusing others of cabalistic behavior) that I made that permabanning comment, perhaps the most logical and WP-protecting response would be to block him from participation in AfD (in which I myself have rarely participated)? Can he temporarily be blocked for even 1RR, as others have been? Would that be appropriate, given his violations of probation and given your viewpoint and desire to support his 'rehabilitation'? In any case, bedtime for Ryan. Goodnight! -- User:RyanFreisling @ 05:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I cant be part fo a cabal and not part of one because it doesnt exist. You cannot take the parts you like out of a testimony as true then dismiss the rest as false. You say you have no axe to grind but I find it odd we run into eachother again when you have no interest at all in conspiracy articles, yet had great interest in me when you thought I was rex and about 5 people and 3 RFCU's later, you have been proven wrong. The fact that you would now attempt to negate all the information provided and call me a liar, then accept only information that would serve to hurt me, is quite perplexing indeed. I never accused Ryan of being part of a cabal btw because they never were, their issue with me dates way back when I defended Rex and as Thatcher has seen their accusations continued for quite some time and many many RFCU's later. I again ask Ryan to stop checking my contribs. Thanks. Also I choose to ignore Ryan because I left the debate alone, we were discussing on the image, why discuss there and on my talk page? This is really silly if its over a template being removed, the fact I appeared on the image page shows I read it. The fact that I removed it, for what you assume was negative reasons, means I read it. --NuclearZer0 14:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Also how can I game the system if it requires this cabal to exist for it to happen. So if you want to say no cabal exists, then you are saying I did not game the system, you cant have it both ways. --NuclearZer0 14:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If you were telling the truth in your 'admission' above, your conduct has been egregious and disruptive. If you were lying, than lying like that and accusing others is egregious and disruptive. Do you understand this? Frankly, I think your cabal claims are but a smokescreen to bring others into your descent. In any case, you're being disruptive. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 14:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    So if I was lying then it didnt really happen and its not really disruptive since nothing got disrupted. You accusing me of being a sock on this very page wasn't dispruptive was it? Do you support a ban for yourself for making accusations? I am sure you do not so making an accusation isnt disruptive. If I was telling the truth then you should file an Arbcom on everyone involved as its quite detrimental. Then you get to gather information on everyone involved to prove its true to ArbCom =). Do not worry I will help you. --NuclearZer0 14:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Your illogical and disruptive swipes (whether against an imaginary cabal, or me) are becoming more and more foolish all the time. Zer0, you should just leave it be, stop accusing others of organized disruption of Wikipedia, and stop doing so yourself. You won't cast any hooks into me, as I stand by my actions. You, apparently, do not. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 14:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • For what it's worth, I wouldn't assume that Nuclear is necessarily wrong about the "most wanted" image. The Department of Defense has apparently announced that the image is public domain,[4], and several companies have produced reproductions of the image without obstacle. Given that the US was the occupational government of Iraq at the time, the issue of whether the US had the right to release that image into the public domain is an interesting one. (And if they don't, we may need to start removing links to the Iraqi most wanted page as a possible copyright infringement). I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out on the possibly unfree images page. TheronJ 04:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Me too - in fact I had no idea that that other dispute was taking place. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 04:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Blocked

    Enough already. I have blocked NuclearUmpf for 48 hours for either falsely accusing editors with whom he is in a dispute of socking and conspiracy, or for participating in an obnoxious conspiracy, and for being just generally and deliberately obtuse and unrepentant when confronted with it. Good night all. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    User:ScienceApologist [3]

    In addition to the issues that I raised above (see "User:ScienceApologist", and User:ScienceApologist [2]), I note the following where ScienceApologist writes:

    "I am beginning to be of the opinion that this entire monstrosity may deserve deletion as it may be doomed to be a haven for original research, but I'm not going to give up yet. I ask that other editors join me in making a reliable article about the pathology of these people who advocate this "electric universe" idea."[5]

    This demonstrates two contraventions of the ArbCom remedies which requested that ScienceApologist is "cautioned to respect all policies and guidelines"[6]:

    • 1. Disruptive editing:
    • The article has survived an AFD on 20 July 2005,[7], but ScienceApologist deleted it anyway,[8] under his old Username Joshuaschroeder,[9]
    • User Woohookitty noted that "You can't do what you did and circumvent it 6 hours after the vote closes. That would constitute disrupting Wikipedia and trying to circumvent it's policies."[10]
    • As I pointed out in the ArbCom, this is not the first time that ScienceApologist has blanked an article,[11]
    • As I pointed out above, ScienceApologist's editing is not "Bold" but reckless, and that editors shouldn't "make large changes or deletions to long articles on complex, controversial subjects with long histories"
    • ie. ScienceApologist's editing is both disruptive, and, shows intent to be disruptive.
    • 2. Personal attacks and deprecation of living people
    • ScienceApologist writes that he wants other editors to make "a reliable article about the pathology of these people".
    • This is clearly an ad hominem and demonstrates that the article subject is secondary.
    • It is also in contravention of WP:LIVING which prohibits negative comments about living people in articles and talk pages.
    • As I (and ScienceApologist) consider myself to be "one of those people", this is also yet another personal attack against me.
    • ScienceApologist is also suggesting to another editor that he is ".. too accomodating of Ian's POV-pushing and you are too critical of me for guarding Wikipedia against promoters of pseudoscience." This is not assuming good faith, and discrediting me with the pseudoscience quip, which is yet another personal attack.

    I believe this is the third set of examples which I believes shows that ScienceApologist is not upholding his ArbCom caution, let alone the policies and guidelines which the majority of editors abide. --Iantresman 17:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    • On point #1, you say that you brought this to the attention of ArbComm, which would make it inappropriate for me to punish him now. On point #2, you provide no diffs of behaviour that is (1) recent (2) specifically and clearly in violation of some policy of widipedia. Please note that frank assertions about the quality of a source is part of determining what is a reliable source, and frank evaluation of the quality of arguments is part of successful editing. Provided that he does not pursue this to an extent that violates WP:CIVIL or WP:NPA, I am not going to repremand him for it. Also, I advise you to be careful about what you are asking for here. If you drag me or some other admin into this, we're also going to look closely at your behaviour in light of the arbcomm ruling. This exchange between you and Ionized raises concerns with me about the good-faith of the appeals that both of you have brought here. Bucketsofg 17:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The first statement I quoted starting "I am beginning to be of the opinion..." is a current diff,[12]
    • The examples in point #1 shows a history of deleting and blanking, which other Admins have described as possibly "disruptive". His recent statement indicates further intent to do the same.
    • Again, the quote beginning "I am beginning to be of the opinion..." is current,[13], and includes the phrase "a reliable article about the pathology of these people". The subject of the sentence is "these people", and the attribute is "the pathology". Without a source, this is an emphatic ad hominem that fails both WP:CIVIL and WP:LIVING. It would be no different to discussing "administrators" and asking editors to write an article about "the dishonesty of these people", rather than perhaps asking editors to contribute to an article on the flaws in the Arbitration process.
    • I am quite happy for you "to look closely at [my] behaviour", and note that whatever you find, does not excuse ScienceApologist of his responsibilities. --Iantresman 18:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    It is absurd that this warrants no action. So this means I am free to delete the BigBang article?(sarcasm) This isn't about Ian it is about SA and his behavior, his threats, his ignorance of policy, his constant disruption and threats to delete an article that was on Wiki long before he was. And he calls us pathological? -Ionized 18:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    Understood. I see nothing wrong with making the statement that I made. -Ionized 20:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    Findings

    In the matter of User:Iantresman's complaint against User:ScienceApologist, after reviewing the relevant Arbitration cases, reviewing all involved editors' edits since closing, and much of the previous case, I find that SA's actions are not sufficiently problematic to justify formal sanction. Iantresman's complaints in my view are minor and many are misleading. Indeed, I'm concerned that Iantresman's complaints here are part of a long series of complaints stretching back over the year that seem perilously close to vexatious litigation. Since (1) this implies a certain aggressiveness, (2) Iantresman's remedy called for his being "banned from any article or subject area which he disrupts by aggressive biased editing", and (3) several, including me, have found his editing to be disruptive (cf. [14], [15], [16], and [17]), I find that Iantresman has indeed disrupted through aggressive biased editing. After careful consideration and consultation with other admins, I impose the following penalty. Iantresman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is to be blocked for 24 hours for disruption and banned for 3 weeks for aggressive biased editing from Wolf effect, Plasma cosmology, and Electric universe (concept) and their talk pages. This decision will be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience Bucketsofg 00:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    User:ScienceApologist [4]

    Further to the ArbCom remedies which requested that ScienceApologist is "cautioned to respect all policies and guidelines"[18], and in addition to the issues mentioned earlier, I would like to raise the following which I believe contravenes policy:

    • ScienceApologist has begun an AfD on the Electric universe (concept) here, which he is entitled to do so. However:
    • I believe that the reasons ScienceApologist gave for the AfD were misleading, although I respect he is entitled to his view. I responded with my own comments, but ScienceApologist has removed them from the discussion page, to the talk page,[19] This is uncivil at best, worse, the "Wikipedia:Deletion policy" page, an official policy page, says in the section "Commenting on a listing for deletion" that "Normally you should not remove any statements from any deletion discussion.". This is not the first time ScienceApologist has removed material from Deletion discussion page, see [20][21][22]
    • Having moved my comments to the Talk page, ScienceApologist responded by intermixing his comments with mine, making it difficult for others to read mine. This practice is not allowed in ArcCom cases, and the "Talk page guidelines" section on "Layout" tells us to "Answer a post underneath it". ScienceApologist is not a new user, and is well aware of this.
    • "Wikipedia:Deletion policy" in the section "Abuse of deletion process" tells us that "It should also be noted that packing the discussion .. meatpuppets (advertising or soliciting of desired views) does not reflect a genuine consensus,", yet ScienceApologist has advertised the AfD on the Wikipedia talk:Notability (science) page,[23]. This is also a contravention of policy.
    • It also turns out that ScienceApologist is involved with editing the "Wikipedia:Notability (science)" article,[24], so there is a potential conflict of interest.
    • All in all, I note (1) several contraventions of policy and guidelines, and, (2) an AfD in which there appears to be irregularities, and I can't see how it can be fair. --Iantresman 16:30, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


    • With all due respect, let me point out that there was an ArbCom case which concluded that ScienceApologist is "cautioned to respect all policies and guidelines" (an odd conclusion, since it applies to the rest of us without requiring an ArbCom decision).
    • Either ScienceApologist is respecting policies and guidelines, or he isn't. He's already called me a bean counter [25] and having lied [26] twice [27]. He's suggested professional impropriety of a living person [28], and numerous other examples relating to editing.
    • If a tree in a forest unfairly overshadowed the others, I think you'd grind an axe too. --Iantresman 17:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, I wouldn't. Such nursed slights as you seem to have are divisive, create a negative environment on the encyclopedia, and poison the well - many editors aren't going to want to touch an article where this kind of negative environment exists, for fear of becoming entangled in this whole dispute. I think it would be best for the moment if you forgot it, if not forgave it. Have some trust in the administration of Wikipedia. If he truly is disruptive, you need not be around to report it for him to be disciplined. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 17:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Peter, if nursed slights are decisive and create a negative environment, how do you think that contravening policy helps?
    • How many times should I forgive? We've already been through a dispute resolution at least a dozen,[29] culminating in the ArbCom case. The ArbCom case found several examples of ScienceApologist being uncivil towards me,[30]and failure to extend good faith,[31]. And when I point out that this has continued past the ArbCom decision, I am criticized for mentioning it!!!
    • With respect, ScienceApologist has either contravened policy (yet again), or he hasn't. I feel it is the duty of the administration to at least find out. --Iantresman 18:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • To show that it continues. Do you think that if ever I get arrested, I can tell the police that they don't have to worry about investigating this case, because there is someone looking into my previous three arrests? If the admin is going to include this case with the previous three, then no problem. --Iantresman 19:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Unfortunately policy prevents us from taking a step back and disengaging, as silence signifies 'consent' towards ScienceApologists bold changes, and we certainly don't consent. Currently he is trying to delete the Electric Universe page, and merge the Plasma Cosmology page with one of its stubs. While I have less care for what happens to the Electric Universe page, I can not sit by silently and witness the destruction of the Plasma_cosmology article. We have gone way past the point of assuming good faith, etc, as SA has clearly demonstrated his ill intent. -Ionized 18:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Arrogant asshole, you should be de-sysopped.

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