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    The Spam-whitelist page is used in conjunction with the Mediawiki SpamBlacklist extension, and lists strings of text that override Meta's blacklist and the local spam-blacklist. Any administrator can edit the spam whitelist. Please post comments to the appropriate section below: Proposed additions (web pages to unblock), Proposed removals (sites to reblock), or Troubleshooting and problems; read the messageboxes at the top of each section for an explanation. See also MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist.

    Please enter your requests at the bottom of the Proposed additions to Whitelist section and not at the very bottom of the page. Sign your requests with four tildes: ~~~~

    Also in your request, please include the following:

    1. The link that you want whitelisted in the section title, like === example.com/help/index.php === .
    2. The Wikipedia page on which you want to use the link
    3. An explanation why it would be useful to the encyclopedia article proper
    4. If the site you're requesting is listed at /Common requests, please include confirmation that you have read the reason why requests regarding the site are commonly denied and that you still desire to proceed with your request

    Important: You must provide a full link to the specific web page you want to be whitelisted (leave out the http:// from the front; otherwise you will not be able to save your edit to this page). Requests quoting only a domain (i.e. ending in .com or similar with nothing after the / character) are likely to be denied. If you wish to have a site fully unblocked please visit the relevant section of MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist.

    Note: Do not request links to be whitelisted where you can reasonably suspect that the material you want to link to is in violation of copyright (see WP:LINKVIO). Such requests will likely be summarily rejected.

    There is no automated notification system in place for the results of requests, and you will not be notified when your request has a response. You should therefore add this page to your personal watch list, to your notifications through the subscribe feature, or check back here every few days to see if there is any progress on it; in particular, you should check whether administrators have raised any additional queries or expressed any concerns about the request, as failure to reply to these promptly will generally result in the request being denied.

    Completed requests are archived, additions and removal are logged. →snippet for logging: {{/request|1219940278#section_name}}

    Note that requests from new or unregistered users are not usually considered.

    Admins: Use seth's tool to search the spamlists.

    Indicators
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     Done {{Done}}
     Stale {{StaleIP}}
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    Information:
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    Notice to everyone about our Reliable sources and External links noticeboards

    If you have a source that you would like to add to the spam-whitelist, but you are uncertain that it meets Wikipedia's guideline on reliability, please ask for opinions on the Reliable sources noticeboard, to confirm that it does meet that guideline, before submitting your whitelisting request here. In your request, link to the confirming discussion on that noticeboard.

    Likewise, if you have an external link that you are uncertain meets Wikipedia's guideline on external links, please get confirmation on the External links noticeboard before submitting your whitelisting request here.

    If your whitelist request falls under one of these two categories, the admins will be more willing to have the source whitelisted if you can achieve consensus at one of the above noticeboards.

    Proposed additions to Whitelist (web pages to unblock)

    www.verywellhealth.com

    1. This article on myolysis is approachably written, but more importantly for a medical source, not making any extraordinary claims, nor at odds with other reliable sources - seemingly passing WP:MEDRS for at least limited use.
    2. It would benefit our article on Myolysis

    PhotogenicScientist (talk) 14:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Is this really a WP:MEDRS? * Pppery * it has begun... 15:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a WP:MEDPOP, but it's an ok website. It has lots of nice articles. - Manifestation (talk) 17:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically, yes - it seems usable for uncontroversial information, in accordance with Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine)#Other sources. I provided more detail on why I think it's usable at this RSN thread. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 17:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    More to the point... this domain was blacklisted in the first place for spam purposes, not for reliability issues. Shouldn't all that's needed for a whitelist request be to show it's not being used as spam? Have I not provided enough proof of reliability? Why is reliability being (apparently) rigorously scrutinized here, and not at WP:RSN? PhotogenicScientist (talk) 15:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Anything that even approaches WP:MEDRS is scrutinized rigorously everywhere on Wikipedia. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 07:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why is VeryWell on the spam-blacklist when it has never been spammed? - Manifestation (talk) 09:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Alright, but I've shown that this site may be used explicitly per the written guidance in WP:MEDRS. How much longer do I have to wait for someone to approve this? PhotogenicScientist (talk) 13:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Dennis Brown @Pppery since you two appear to be the only ones patrolling this page, could one of you review this request more thoroughly, and provide an answer? It's frustrating to wait this long in a queue with no path forward. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 13:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A lengthy discussion of Verywell occurred in 2020. The thread was opened by User:Beetstra in hopes of getting review of a request by User:Manifestation. It is worth noting that only a link to one single Verywell article is proposed here for whitelisting: www.verywellhealth.com/myolysis-5189197. A ping to User:Beetstra is appropriate. He has done a lot of work on spam so he might be able to offer advice about any spam issues that would apply to this link. EdJohnston (talk) 17:29, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For context, that one link was whitelisted by the late Spinningspark, during a time when there were no active admins monitoring requests on this page at all, so doesn't indicate anything other than his specific views. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "The thread was opened by User:Beetstra in hopes of getting review of a request by User:Manifestation."
    No, that thread was opened by Beetstra to harass me into silence. No one came to my defense at the time. Verywell remains banned to this day, for no good reason. However, on a more positive note, Beetstra did whitelist one url from Verywell Mind. So maybe that site isn't so bad after all, right?
    A second url, from Verywell Health, was added by the late Spinningspark, as Pppery already pointed out. - Manifestation (talk) 18:27, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That AN thread went a bit off the rails. It started with Beetstra pointing out a personal attack from Manifestation, and only happened to meander its way toward discussing verywell's usability. What I did see, though, were 2 users who provided specific use cases for verywell that were shut down by the blacklisting. Whitelisting wasn't a preferred option for either of them - SandyGeorgia said they hardly knew about whitelisting at all, and wbm outright calling the whitelist one of the most unpleasant aspects of WP. Add me to that group of editors less than impressed with the whitelist process, for how little attention my request has gotten (before asking at AN).
    Putting that aside, though, I'd like to process this one whitelist request before diving into a whole 'nother discussion about verywell as a whole. PhotogenicScientist (talk) 19:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It appears that three verywell* links were added to the Spam blacklist here in December 2018 by User:JzG. (verywellhealth.com, verywellmind.com and verywellfamily.com). The request was posted at this page. Replying to User:Manifestation: if you believe that User:Beetstra has been harassing you you should make a complaint in the appropriate forum. Beetstra introduces his comments in that thread with "Time for some independent review", which is why I quoted him as posting for review. The 2020 thread does not show you at your best, with your references to 'lying' and so forth. A equally unpleasant exchange occurs in this thread from May 2020. EdJohnston (talk) 20:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    brautiganlibrary.xyz

    1. This is the new URL home for the Brautigan Library (referenced in Clark_County_Historical_Museum where I (Richard_Holeton) have several publications referenced in the article Richard_Holeton. The old URL is no good and I was trying to update the URLs. So right now it mainly benefits my page at Richard_Holeton but likely will benefit others in the future that reference the Brautigan Digital Library which has moved to this domain for all its content. Without these URL updates, someone would need to edit the article to remove the dead references, which would lower the quality of the article.
    2. I see the ".xyz" is generally blacklisted. All I know is that the curator of the Brautigan Library is legitimately using this URL for a large and important online set of literary resources for scholars and authors.
    3. Thank you much for looking at this.

    --Richard Holeton (talk) 17:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • This is clearly not WP:RS and is promotional. Likely, the dead links just need removing. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 07:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Thank you for looking at this. I guess you could say my request is "promotional" insofar as I'm the subject of the page and have an interest in it being factually correct and not contain dead links. But really it's just a correction of the dead URLs that someone else has put in the article as links to publications. The literary resources available at brautiganlibrary.xyz vastly exceed a couple of things of mine so represent a large public good. Richard Holeton (talk) 17:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Also I see that many other ".xyz" subdomains have been whitelisted. Richard Holeton (talk) 17:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Used promotionally or not, the website includes a manuscript catalogue. As these are unicates housed only in that institution, it is a reliable source for statements made about those manuscripts and likely the only source of information on most of them. I don't see any harm in whitelisting the website. And the only reason it was blacklisted is because of its domain, so there is no justification for excluding this domain from a Wikipedia article, especially as regards its catalogues. Ivan (talk) 19:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Proposed removals from Whitelist (web pages or link patterns to re-block)

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