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India

You had some good points but I'm removing per WP:TPO, please read WP:INDENT and re-post. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I think I know what you are trying to say at the India talk page about the Churchill content. But I think some copy-paste mistakes have crept in along with some stray characters as well. If I have your permission, I can fix it so other readers can understand your amendment. Zuggernaut (talk) 16:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Please go ahead and amend it. BTW, I only made changes to the last sentence.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Deshastha Brahmin

The edit you undid recently was of a GA reviewer who failed the article for dubious reasons. I've asked for an explanation. Zuggernaut (talk) 01:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Indira Gandhi

I have reverted your edit there. We should not add our personal ideas to wikipedia articles, we should add notable information supported by secondary reliable sources. Claims of corruption (true or not) fall under WP:REDFLAG. Regards. Materialscientist (talk) 22:30, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Regarding A.B. Vajpayee`s comment on Indira Gandhi. It is more reliable to take it from the source (himself) rather than newspaper reports. The references you cited were 29(Dynasties and Female Political Leaders in Asia: Gender, Power and Pedigree. By Claudia Derichs, Mark R. Thompson) which it self cites p.175 of Indira Gandhi A Biography(1997) by Pupul Jayakar. A Pupul Jayakar does not say in her book that that A.B. Vajpayee called her durga, but simply states that she likened to durga. (I tried to copy excerpt from page 175 for your benefit but it triggered a filter) while citations 30 and 31 are irrelevant as they do not contain this reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.195.188 (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Please check the Talk page of Indira Gandhi for my reply. Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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Anthromorphic

You have used the word anthromorphic on the Kurmi page, share anthromorphic features, what do you mean by anthromorphic?Yogesh Khandke (talk) 05:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Yogesh, Anthromorphology stands for physical features of a particular community or race. Other definitions I have seen on the web include, structures built by humans such as the pyramids. Risley was chief of the 1901 census of India. Unlike the present system, in those days the British colonial authorities counted every caste and sub-caste in India, for example, Marathi deshastha and karhade brahmins . For the this particular census , he also measured physical features of all the castes that were studies. The features includeed length and breadth of the nose, shape of the head, skin colour and height. I may have missed or added a feature here or there. I am using the word anthromorphic studies for this project. I don't think I coined this word. If you use anthromorphology with the word racial then you will get several hits. Hope this helps.67.184.12.136 (talk) 14:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Sharad Pawar, Smita Patil, Sandeep Patil, Atul Gawande, Rajnikant, Lalita Pawar

...all are being claimed as Kunbi in the List of Kunbi. Do you have sources so I can add to the main Kunbi article. Related discussion is at WT:IN#Kunbi Zuggernaut (talk) 01:54, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't have direct references but all of the above would be regarded as Maratha. Now the border between who is the socially high ranking 96 kulee Maratha and who is "plain" or Kunbi-Maratha is not clear. I have rarely come across a Maratha who wanted to differentiate himself as 96 kulee. Rajnikant started his working life as a bus driver in Bangalore so I doubt that he is from the 96 kulee. Sharad Pawar's family background is that of small farmer. Smita Patil came from a middle class background. Lalita Pawar starting her career in the 1920s or 1930s cinema and could not have come from conservative 96 kulee. As I suggested on Talk: Kunbi, the article should be merged with Maratha. The Maratha identity is very fluid. For example, Jijabai was from the Jadhav family but married a "Rajput-Maratha" Shahaji Bhosale. The 96 kulee do not have any bar against accepting as their brides, women from the kunbi families, however, they refrain from offering their daughters to the kunbis. However, centuries of hypergamy must have produced a 96 kulee population that is indistinguishable from the kunbis. I rarely heard anyone putting the suffix kunbi after Maratha. However, as you say in the article, the government of Maharashtra declared the kunbis as OBC. That act must have started the reverse process of Marathas identifying themselves as kunbis. Now getting back to the topic of discussion, I will look for references on the family life of the people you mention. Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 03:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Kunbi cousins

That was a good catch by you, thanks. I was trying to avoid close paraphrasing etc and I must admit to sometimes being fazed by the entire issue of family relationships - I have to think twice before naming my own cousins! It raises an interesting point (to me, at least) about the specifics but I do not know where to find out more about it, eg: the distinction between marriage to a female cousin via the male sibling of a mother's versus, say, a male cousin of that sibling or the ... well, the permutations are beyond me. Is it really that well defined, or is it just an example chosen by the source? To be clear, I am not doubting you in the slightest, although the "close cousin" rephrase does seem to advance things no further if the issue is as specific as this. Do you know of any source (not necessarily specific to Kunbi) that could help me to understand this? I rather think that it may be connected to the matrilineal concept but am genuinely at a loss. - Sitush (talk) 00:57, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Amongst the Hindu communities that practice or used to practice Cousin marriage, it is always cross cousins and never between parallel cousins. For example, I can marry my mother's brother's ( maternal uncle's) daughter ( we will be cross cousins) but not my father's brother's (paternal uncle's) daughter ( we will be parallel cousins). Again, cross cousin marriages are seen mostly in Hindus of central and Southern India but not in the North. Amongst the muslims, in India and elsewhere, there is no bar against cross or parallel cousins marrying. The UK government , I believe, is running a campaign against cousin marriage amongst the UK muslim communities to discourage this practice in order to reduce the incidences of genetically inherited diseases. I hope this helps. Jonathansammy (talk) 14:37, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Si tush, if you have access to archives of New Scientist magazine at a local Uni, then please search for an article on cousin marriages in southern India. I remember reading it in the 1990s. This also touched on the subject of maternal uncle- niece marriage amongst south Indian Hindu communities.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:31, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

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Kunbi

Since the Marata versus Kunbi ambiguity exists in the sources (and this is pretty uniform across multiple reliable sources), Wikipedia rules such as WP:OR will not allow us to draw a clear line clarifying who is who. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:33, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Agree. However, I believe most of what you say under the Maratha-Kunbi can be covered in the Maratha article.Jonathansammy (talk) 20:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

People will argue it belongs in both Maratha and Kunbi articles. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Citing

A while back you asked for help on how to use the {{sfn}} template. It's really a simple two step process. Sfn works in conjunction with the {{citation}} template. For the Kunbi article, to use the Hanlon work on Phule, you would have to first add the citation in the sources/references section like this:

Step 1: Add citation in sources/references section

• O'Hanlon, Rosalind (2002), Caste, Conflict and Ideology: Mahatma Jotirao Phule and Low Caste Protest in Nineteenth-Century Western India, Cambridge South Asian Studies, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 9780521523080

Step 2: Use the sfn template like this: {{sfn|O'Hanlon|1996|p=x}} or {{sfn|O'Hanlon|1996|pp=x-y}}

I've already taken care of step 1 so you can directly start adding content and cite it with {{sfn|O'Hanlon|1996|p=...

You know the environment there. Good luck. Zuggernaut (talk) 02:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Over the weekend when I will get some time for researching and editing this article. I will use the above at that time. Cheers Jonathansammy (talk) 15:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

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Brahminical v non-brahminical

See Brahmanism. Brahmanical worship constitutes of yajnas, Vedic hymns, Sanskrit stotras, elaborate ritualistic pujas where Brahmins preside et al. Non-Brahminical worship in Varkaris evolves "spiritual" worship with singing Vithoba's praises in form of abhangs or repeating his name or just darshan without ritual pujas. Non-Brahmanical worship in the Khandoba cult includes folk traditions like hook-swinging or fire-walking, non-vegetarian offerings. The articles do not say Brahmins do not worship Vithoba and Khandoba. They do worship, however the predominant cult/sects devoted to these deities are non-Brahmincal in nature. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

About Vithoba/Khandoba devotees, even Brahmins may indulge in non-Brahmanical worship while worshipping the deity or vice versa. But the predominant worship is non-Brahmanical in nature. Hinduism has evolved and there have been changes, like women performing yajnas, the blurring of casteism in urban centres et al. An article can be written if sufficient references are found. I am not much in such Hindu society articles (more into deities and epic figures), but I can help you if you can find the references and start an article. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:18, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Kayastha

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To be clear, you are just about to cross 3 reverts in 24 hours; doing more than that is almost always grounds for a block (we call it a bright-line rule). Until you can address the substantive problems with your suggested addition on the talk page, the information should stay out. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:25, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

WP:AFC draft with Marathi sources

The draft Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dnyanesh Maharao is heavily based on Marathi sources. Could you please have a look whether the sources establish notability and serve to verrify the draft's content? Thanks in advance, Huon (talk) 02:10, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Bachchan

The issue of mentioning caste for Bachchan and his family has been discussed on the article talk page. There is also a link at User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. Trying to get round WP:BLP by referring to his family rather than the man himself creates an inference and is not acceptable. - Sitush (talk) 14:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Shastri and Kayastha

Please do not use search terms such as "lal bahadur shastri kayastha" when researching on Google etc. Such terms produce false or tainted results. For example, they exclude the possibility that the subject's caste is disputed. It is poor use of such searches that has given rise to the horrendous mess regarding caste and their associated varnas on Wikipedia (eg: people searching for "nair kshatriya" inevitably find results to support that claim but they generally omit the fact that it is not universally accepted). I'll do a search myself and find something better, just by reading around "lal bahadur shastri". - Sitush (talk) 17:56, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. - Sitush (talk) 18:25, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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Animal sacrifice.

I don't think that it is contradicted with ashvamdedha. Ashvamedha seems to be vedic sacrifice with no importance for this age. You cannot add "many holy texts" or "many scriptures", unless there is some scripture that promoted or allowed animal sacrifice. OccultZone (Talk) 17:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

The Yajurveda mentions animal sacrifice. Also saying "Hinduism forbids animal sacrfice" is such a sweeping sentence that is totally divorced from the reality of thousands of animals sacrificed across India in temples of Kali, Bhavani, Ekvira etc. If you say the Vaishnavism, the largest sect of Hinduism forbids it then I can understand. I hope it is clear what I am trying to say. Let us carry on this dialogue on Talk page of the article itself so others can take part. thanksJonathansammy (talk) 18:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hello Jonathanammy, May peace and blessings be upon you. I just changed the word from "Shudra" to "lower castes". I accept that for non-Indian readers that word might be strange but they can also refer to Wikipedia for knowing the true meaning of that word. May be you are familiar with the page Shudra on Wikipedia. Also the user who removed the content is a sock and is blocked from editing for indefinite period of time. Thanks. Hugs. Terabar (talk) 11:08, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

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Rajput

I've no idea why you manipulated the source so much in this edit, nor why you added completely unsourced and rather inflammatory material. However, please don't do it again. - Sitush (talk) 14:11, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Maharashtra

Can u plz set the image caption i have done for Maharashtra, i tried but the caption is not visible Ankush 89 (talk) 17:07, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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This is in reference to a relatively new umbrella article on en-wikipedia named Ceremonial pole. Ceremonial pole is a human tradition since ancient times; either existed in past at some point of time, or still exists in some cultures across global continents from north to south & from east to west. Ceremonial poles are used to symbolize a variety of concepts in several different world cultures.

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Ongoing Sambhaji battle

I do declare, I think that "sensual pleasures" sentence is one of the most contested ones I've ever added to a Wikipedia article, and likely the most-contested for a line which basically nobody has even attempted to refute by properly questioning the source of providing a reputable counter-source.

The only comparable thing would be the article Mansaf, where for years I've had to go in and fix it when people change the description of this yogurt and rice dish to "Jordanian dish" instead of the well-cited and documented "Jordanian and Palestinian dish". People are angry about very odd things in the world...

Thanks as always for your work! MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:26, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

The eminent historian, Jadunath Sarkar describes Sambhaji as "violent, capricious, and notoriously depraved in morals".Although Shivaji has God like status in Maharashtra, among local Marathi people, Sambhaji is also revered as "defender of the Hindu faith " because just before his death in 1689, he refused to convert to islam under torture by the Mughals. Therefore, being sensual does not fit the narrative preferred by his followers. But Mehta's work is based on respected historians like Sarkar and others and it should stay. I may even add more material on defection of Sambhaji to the Mughals during Shivaji's reign. Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 19:03, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for bringing the policy to my attention. I will abide by the policy in the future.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Reference of Andaman Island on Maratha Navy Page

Not sure why you removed the mention of Maratha Admiral Kanhoji Angre setting up a temporary base at the Andaman Islands. Two citations below:

• https://books.google.co.in/books?id=4_Rl5c_v1-kC&pg=PA236&dq=andaman+island+maratha&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=andaman%20island%20maratha&f=false
• http://www.andamanonline.in/About/profile/index.html

Let me know, thanks! Amit20081980 talk 18:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello Amit, Chander's book does not have any citations in the book to substantiate the claims. The other one is a website. please provide a reliable source where the authors can back up the claims. From what I have read of Maratha navy, they operated only on the coastal waters of Konkan between Mumbai and Sawantwadi. I have tried hard myself to find the Andaman claims but apart from tourist guides and blogs , i have not come across any papers or books by bona fide historians on the subject Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:07, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Your edit

What exactly needs to be referenced in this section? --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:10, 28 August 2016 (UTC) Thanks for your quick response. I believe the section needs more content than just two quotes from Mr. Agarwal's book. Also the agarwal book clearly says that the Diwan-E-Khas was looted just prior to the battle of Panipat in 1761. Surely, this should be part of section on that battle rather than a separate section. Also the section ends by saying that the rohillas hated Marathas. Again this should be part of the Panipat section because the Maratha defeat of Rohillas made the latter support Abdali in the battle of Panipat and during events preceding it and after the battle. ThanksJonathansammy (talk) 23:11, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Maratha Navy - article

The below sentence has a citation. I have provided a reference. Please check

In 1679, Shivaji annexed the island of Khanderi, which was 11 miles off the entrance to Mumbai. In response the English and the Siddis repeatedly attacked the island but were unable to oust the Marathas from the islands

Amit20081980 talk 10:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Andaman Islands base of the Maratha Navy

Please check the below link. I guess this should act as an evidence about the Maratha Naval base at Andaman Islands. Let me know, so that I can edit the page of Maratha Navy. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=AoFNCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA135&dq=angre+andaman&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=angre%20andaman&f=false

Amit20081980 talk 18:31, 24 September 2016 (UTC) Thanks for going the extra mile to find a better looking reference, however, the author does not give any supporting references in the two lines he has on Kanhoji Angre. Until a few years ago nobody said anything about Kanhoji setting up a base on the other side of the Indian peninsula, thousands of miles from his base on Konkan coast. Did brand new evidence come out recently ? If you are adding something to an article about history then there has to be a reliable evidence. Your reference does not fit that bill. I mainly work on indian and Maharashtra related articles and add material only after careful consideration. We should all be proud of our histories but perpetuating outlandlish claims does not do our subject matter any good. Regards. Jonathansammy (talk) 20:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Google Books

Go to Google Books and type in "Sakta animal sacrifice". Many sources which state animal sacrifice is common.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 18:06, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:43, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Spacing in your edits

This isn't the first time I've noticed this, by there's some weird spacing in some of your edits. See the most recent one, I removed them here (ignore my ce). Not intentional I suppose. Do you know why this happens? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:42, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out.It is not intentional.Do we have a MS WORD spelling and Grammar checker type editing function here ? That would greatly reduce the problem.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:08, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

There's this: Wikipedia:Spellchecking#Checking_a_single_article. Most browsers besides IE have in-built spell check. So I assume that's why you use MS Word. But then even this reply of yours has this spacing issue...how? I don't see why it would create such spacing problems though, but simple fix would be just rechecking it after you paste it in the edit form. Then another thing I wanted to tell you is about indenting your posts in talk. Ugog Nizdast (talk) (indented by me) 19:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Amazing!I copy-pasted the text in a WORD text document and that did not show any spacing issues.Thanks 20:33, 2 January 2017 (UTC)Jonathansammy (talk)

What about WP:THREADing your posts and WP:INDENTGAP? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

One learns new things everyday! Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Couple of more issues: punctuations always go after the refs, like here and for cite book with Google Books urls, the isn't any need for the access-date parameter--this is only used for regular webpages which change from time to time, GB links are suppose to be just the book and would never change. In the GB url only the "&id" (book's unique id) and "&pg" (page) are required, so

https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=5kMrsTj1NeYC&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=paine+phule&ots=WA5df3tRE5&sig=FvXe7iDUoAuBVjgLKG1iKtxdVoE#v=onepage&q=widows&f=false 

can be made into

https://books.google.com/books?&id=5kMrsTj1NeYC&pg=PR9

Do use this GB citation generator? Let me know if you have any questions. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 02:22, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Mahar

I'm not sure what was going on at Mahr in recent months but it looks like you may have added a lot of content relating to Dalits that was either unsourced or not in fact supported by the sources. Some even appeared to be violations of WP:BLP. I've trimmed a fair amount of stuff from the article but I suspect we may need to check pretty much every single source now because there has been an influx of Dalit-centric contributors on Wikipedia and far too many of them have been both POV pushers and clueless. - Sitush (talk) 15:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

First of all Happy New Year to you. Glad to see you back after a long absence. Yes, I have added content to the Mahar article. I use reliable sources ( mainly books published before Wikipedia was founded to avoid circular references) when adding new content. Now I see you have removed sourced content regarding the retention of Hindu customs by Mahars who have embraced buddhism? Why was that? BTW, I will be adding Narendra Jadhav back to the writers list with a reference from his own autobiography. Thanks as always for being such a good policeman. Jonathansammy (talk) 15:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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Overciting

Hi, why do we need multiple sources? It isn't contentious and we even have Muslim Rajput. Information such as that should be cited in the article body, not the infobox, and WP:OVERCITE applies. Or am I missing something? - Sitush (talk) 19:47, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Sitush, that was done just to make the point that there are many muslim tribes who claim Rajput descent.I guess that was overreaction on my part.I actually knew a student from Bradford who was a Rajput muslim Chauhan when I was at University.Thanks for pointing out WP:OVERCITE.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

about adding images

What images we should at tourism section of maharashtra Wikipedia page. Please suggest me Bk kartik21 (talk) 08:40, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Please have a look at the Talk page of the article.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 22:20, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

options for tourists spots

We should add tourist spots where tourist population is less like lonar lake, hazara falls Gondia or konkan which have immense tourism potential Bk kartik21 (talk) 16:39, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

As Wikipedia editors,we should strictly adhere to NPOV.I am sure the places you mention have tourism potential but it is not our job to promote these places.We can add the images in the geography section thoughJonathansammy (talk) 18:11, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on Karhade Brahmins

Amazing work. Thanks so much. Acharya63 (talk) 20:33, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Odd revert

Regarding this revert, note that my edit did not remove any reference it reused an existing one, which is always preferred over entering the same reference again. It also corrected a typo. Anyway, I am certainly not going to argue about this, if you prefer the inferior version, keep it. --Muhandes (talk) 16:29, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for adding notables from marathi communities in a relatively short time

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		Thank you for your tirless work on the marathi communities Acharya63 (talk) 03:27, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

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hi there, wrt your latest edit where you restored text focussed on his son Shamsher Singh. I think the personal life section has gone back to detailing the life of the latter instead of being focussed on the subject of the article. IMHO, it makes sense to keep Shamsher related text to the bare minimum necessary and keep the focus on Baji Rai? Shamsher Singh already has his own article where details like his death/ his sons future historical significance would make more sense to be? If it's ok with you, I am going to undo your change? Ps: pls also explain your changes in your change comment 😁 -MayureshK 18:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

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@Jonathansammy: Please keep an eye on this Lohana page, there has been recent vandalism of sourced content by user "Harsh54". He is claiming Lohahans are Kshatriya from Afghanistan/Iran and other absurd pseudo-history things without any source. Additionally, he has removed so much things. I have restored as much as possible.61.3.101.142 (talk) 23:08, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I will try but my main interest is in the Hindu lohana diaspora of East Africa and UK.ThanksJonathansammy (talk) 23:36, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Marathi Wikipedia article: https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%A6%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%96%E0%A4%B0_%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%87

From Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/People in business#A

• Chandrashekhar Agashe I (February 14, 1888 - June 9, 1956) was an Indian Chitpavan brahmin industrialist best known as the founder of Brihan Maharashtra Sugar Syndicate Ltd. The Chandrashekhar Agashe College of Physical Education, the Chandrashekhar Agashe Road at Shaniwar Peth, Pune and the Chandrashekhar Agashe Museum at the Raja Dinkar Kelkar Museum are named after him.

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Thoughts on moving Kshitigarbha to Kṣitigarbha

Hi! I recently opened a requested move on renaming Kshitigarbha to Kṣitigarbha over at the talk page and seeing that you participated in the previous discussion I was wondering if you could share your thoughts. Thanks! --DTM9025 (talk) 05:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your message but unfortunately I only have a very superficial understanding of topics related to Buddhism and therefore i can not offer an opinion on what is the accepted spelling or pronunciation.regardsJonathansammy (talk) 14:11, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Karhade Brahmin

Please can you provide quotes from the sources for all of the people you added here. All these caste lists are a bloody nuisance and there have been suggestions that they should be scrapped altogether, so quotes help. - Sitush (talk) 12:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure.

• Even the intervention of Bal Shastri Jambhekar, the most distinguished

first-generation graduate of the English schools and an orthodox Karhada Brahmin, could not entirely overcome the bitter split within orthodox ranks.

• Myth and history intertwine closely in the life of the Rani of Jhansi, known in

childhood as Manu. Even the date of her birth is uncertain.1 She was born in the holy city of Varanasi to a Karhada Brahmin, Moropant Tambe.

• Karhada Brahmans, numerically a small group, also live in the western coastal regions ; Sardesai, the historian, belongs to this caste.

• A Chitpavan member of the Bombay legislature brought the matter to the attention of the government;eminent historians discussed the matter at the annual meeting of the Indian Historical Records Commission; and the then Prime Minister of Bombay (BG Kher, a Karhade Brahman) received a personal appeal from Pendse

• Golwalkar—'Guruji' in the Sangh pantheon——came into this world a few days before this date …in 1906 on Monday, 19 February, at 4.34 am, which was Magha Vadya 11, Shaka 1827 according to the Hindu calendar. He was born into a Karhada Brahmin family of Nagpur. His

father, Sadashivrao, was a civil servant who eventually retired as the headmaster of a school.

I will try to get hold of the quote for BR Tambe.When I only added the name after finding a mention of his karhade heritage in the cited reference. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sitush, I think having caste lists is a great idea - it gives an idea of validated achievements of a community. It is very relevant to the caste. Most people jump from introduction section to the caste lists as these two are the most interesting. However, it is a good idea to requite a footnote or quote for the mention of every person in the caste list.Thanks-Acharya63 (talk) 06:04, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Acharya63, The above belongs to the article talk page of Karhade brahmins rather than a user page.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:01, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Jonathansammy, thanks for your work on Karhade brahmins. I am also working on wiki pages mostly related to marathi castes (in particular Deshastha , Koknastha, Karhade , Saraswat, CKP, Pathare Prabhu, maratha etc). Planning to get all these to GA status (deshastha seems to be the only one at GA status). I did get some books from the library here that cover some of these castes. Found a really good book on Chitpawans. Found some minor literature that cover Saraswats, Pathare prabhus, CKP and Daivadnya Brahmin but not in depth. But no good book on Karhade or Deshastha. If you know any books (specifically in english that might be available in US), pleas feel free to recommend them. I will try to get them. Second, I think some big personalities from many of the marathi communities are missing pages on wiki. For example, Deshastha (Vishnupant Pagnis etc.), Chitpawan (Vasant Joglekar etc.), CKP( Narayan Jagannath Vaidya, R. V. Sabnis etc.), Pathare Prabhu( I read that the first Indian origin chief justice in British era was a pathare prabhu but dont remember his name).Will try to get some references for these too fro the library. I think google books can sometimes be misleading because they could show something out of context since we get only a partial view and hence can be misleading. Thanks-Acharya63 (talk) 02:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Acharya63, Ideally, I would use Marathi language sources for the topics you want to add to.I don't know whether Indian language books are indexed by Google or other search engines.Unfortunately,there will be editors who do not know the language, will delete the content for being from an "unreliable source".In that case you just have to stand your ground and plead for AGF.Having said the above,do you read Marathi at an advanced level? As far as English sources are concerned,Google is still the best source for information.Out of curiosity,the book you mention on castes, did you get that from a university library or your local library ?Anyhow,since the Kokanastha brahmins have dominated power,politics,social reform,and upper caste culture in places such as Pune during the Peshwa and early British era, one tends to find more books on them rather than the other castes and sub-castes.From your name it seems you have Deshastha heritage,correct? Cheers.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jonathansammy, you guessed correctly about my heritage but my mother is Koknastha. I can read/write marathi well but have a better command on English. My interest is mostly limited to devotional literature in marathi which is hard to read (it uses some old dialect). I speak marathi with my family and maharashtrian friends. Got these books from the University libraries. The local libraries in the US do not have a good collection since caste related books are mostly of academic interest. The university libraries in the US (south asian sections) have books in marathi too. Unlike the Chitpawans who were very dominant and the tiny community of CKP that did really well too, the deshasthas (who were also well educated but more obsessed with rituals) progressed less in the British era because of religious obsession - which is still prevalent- although they produced a lot of saints unlike the Chitpawans. Both Chitpawans and CKP produced more intellectuals than the Deshasthas did in the late 19th/early 20th century in-spite of deshasthas being much larger in size. Some deshathas are quite sensitive wrt their status probably because of this. For a sensitiveness example :-) see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deshastha_Brahmin&diff=823089981&oldid=823081956

I simply put the quote from Jaffrelot where he referred to Kulkarnis as Brahmins but it was removed and replaced by some sensitive fellow because of what it said(Patils being superior) and thus removing a valid quote for the kulkarni name. :-) I personally have zero sensitivity on caste issues (perhaps because of living in the US) but I think any negative comment from a source should not be added unless it is generally considered true across the spectrum. Also I am against editors who try to downplay the achievements of castes other than their own. Caste discrimination is still prevalent in India (unfortunately). You might have heard of the Khole(brahmin) and the cook Nirmalatai Yadav (Maratha) case that was in the news a few months back. It shows that even in the 21st century, people in India are still obsessed with discrimination based on caste. Most westerners (or even non-maharashtrians) in my opinion do not have a good understanding of the caste system in maharashtra. Anyway, getting back to wiki edits, I have some new good material on most of the castes mentioned above (mostly the prabhus and chitpawans but not deshathas and karhades) and will add it to the wiki pages as I need to return the books in a few weeks from now. BTW, do you know if 'Stories of Indian Saints' translated from marathi by Justin Abbott is considered a reliable source? It has a lot of information and details about the saints, especially marathi saints. I know Raj era sources are not allowed for castes but are they also prohibited for biographies ? Maybe Sitush might have an opinion on this. Cheers -Acharya63 (talk) 09:32, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Acharya63, that was a long reply! I will briefly answer a few points that you raise.

1.As the Wikipedia editor said, Patil, Chaudhari,Kulkarni,Deshmukh, and Deshpande are titles of office holders doing specific government jobs.The families holding these hereditary jobs (watans} retained the titles as their surnames even after the watan system was abolished. So you do have Brahmins and Mahars having Patil as their surname. CKP also held the offices of Kulkarni and Deshpande and so you will find those surnames in that community.I can,however, assure you that Acharya,Pandit,Dixit,Joshi,Pathak etc. being associated with Hindu priesthood means you will not find non-brahmins with these surnames unless a non-brahmin family specifically adopted one of them as their surname in recent times. 2.Abbott translated Mahipati's books on the biographies of Hindu saints.Now Sitush will call the books hagiography rather than history and may not accept it as a reliable source.The original work predates British rule by at least a century.That's all for today.Thanks for contributing to Maharashtra related topics. That's all for today.Have a good day.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:35, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jonathansammy, Thanks for your explanation. Also, if you know any marathi books that cover the Deshastha/Karhade/Saraswat community, please can you let me know their names? I will try to get them from friends in Pune. In your case, how do you get the marathi books, do you have access to some library or BORI(Bhandarkar Research Institute)? Thanks and Best regards,-Acharya63 (talk) 09:17, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

As they say, Google Zindabad. It is my primary source.Given my work and other commitments,I can not spend time at local university libraries.I live a very long way off from BORI and so no chance of visiting it any time soon.Have a good dayJonathansammy (talk) 13:43, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Your edits to the legacy section of the page Maratha Empire

I know that Maratha principalities were British vassals post 1818; I have thought about it. Yet I included Maratha contributions towards society, literature, art etc. (post 1818 CE) for the below reason:

The word legacy implies leftover or remnant or footprint. Now, the Maratha contributions (such as their palaces, temples) although built under British suzerainty, still is a Maratha leftover. The British rule (1818 to 1947) was a federal one (just like today's India) with semi-autonomy to the princely states. I understand that the article is about Maratha Empire which ended in 1818 but post-1818 what remains is nothing but leftover or legacy. I don't think date of building a palace is that important as long as the palace was built during the semi-autonomous reign of a Maratha king.

Let me know your thoughts

User:Amit20081980 talk 12:26, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Amit20081980, All the art and beautiful palaces were built with funds obtained under British protection.even the architecture of many palaces such as the Kolhapur new palace is of Indo-Saracenic style with elements of European Gothic architecture.You can put all this under legacy on the pages of the individual states but putting it under Maratha empire is rewriting history.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 01:01, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Preparing Shivaji for Good Article review

Hello, just wanted to let you know that I'm working to address any issues which may count against Shivaji when I submit it for Good Article review later this year.

If you feel so inclined, your help would be welcome in finding citations for anything currently uncited, or removing it if we simply can't find a good site for it. I'm also going to read fully through some accounts of Shivaji to see if there are any significant issues that the article skips over. The article historically had a way of avoiding noting any weakness or compromise on the Maratha side, so when appropriate I'm trying to make sure coverage is NPOV.

If you have any general suggestions of things the article is missing, I'd welcome the input on the Talk page. Thanks as always for all your work helping keep India coverage sourced and NPOV! MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Btw, your Talk page was cluttered at the end with cites so I took the liberty of using the {{reflist-talk}} code to place to footnotes within each section, rather than at page-end. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:07, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

MatthewVanitas, Thanks for your efforts on this article.I will look out for any deficiencies in the article and rectify them or bring them to the attention you and other editors.Also thanks for getting sorting out the references on my page.Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Defection and return of Sambhaji

Hi Jonathansammy, It seems you re-added the references I removed on the page Sambhaji. I removed those references for the reason that they do not relate to second time confinement or survaillance on Sambhaji. Please check again the references. Also, I can see that you have interest and contribution to the page Sambhaji. hence, I request you to go through Sambhaji talk page under title "Defamation of Sambhaji". I request you to contribute to that topic as well along side.MatthewVanitas. Thanks. Vikram-dattu (talk) 17:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Citations, again

Hi, I know I have said this before but it really is driving me daft that you have been here so long and still cannot format a citation correctly. I've just fixed this one but I notice that things are even worse at that article because you seem to have been ignoring WP:CITEVAR and it is making the Refs section look a real mess. As far as I can see, the prevailing citation style was {{sfn}}. - Sitush (talk) 17:05, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Sitush.I really appreciate your work on Wikipedia.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:20, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Pune: Images moved to right

Hey, I noticed that you moved all the images to the right for some reason. That makes relevant images appear in unrelated sections. Having them on either side makes the article look more streamlined. On the Mumbai page, for example, the images are placed on the left and right alternatively, I suggest we do that with Pune. Let me know your thoughts. Berlindian (talk) 13:40, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I think having images on both sides makes the text secondary to the images because your eyes are navigating left and right.

I don't mind left or right but let us have them on one side.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:18, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

You completely missed the point. But let's leave it as it is. Berlindian (talk) 17:11, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Berlindian No, I did not.The problem with images not synchronizing is on the page on Maharashtra but at present Pune is OK.I wonder whether thumb size can be further reduced to eliminate this problem.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:22, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Mumbai has images, I assume the ones which were added earlier, alternating on both sides of the text. I personally like it, but we can leave them on one side. On the mobile version they appear in the centre where they are tagged anyway. For fromatting the image sizes, see Wikipedia:Extended image syntax#Size. Berlindian (talk) 17:27, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

INC

hey can you please participate with me in promoting this article  to a  "good article" .One reviewer has suggested the section  congress as a mass movement needs to be better composed .Can you please do that? .I've  already done all of his other suggestions.Hope you react positively.Thanks Akhiljaxxn (talk) 19:35, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Akhiljaxxn Sure.I do however want to have more information included on the structure of the party for the last forty years.I will have to do research on "Congress as mass movement" but that is not a problem.Please note that I work on a large number of article and therefore can not exclusively devote time to this article.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:52, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Maharashtra Brahmins

Hi Jonathan, I hope you doing well,this is regarding your last edit of adding “Portuguese controlled Goa” but the Explaination was regarding saraswath Brahmins before arraival to Goa since they controlled majority of konkan from port Mumbai to port cochi but declined during Portuguese actual rule.In further pages it has been given. Regards,

Joshi punekar (talk) 00:09, 5 October 2018 (UTC):: 

Hello Joshi punekar, Yes, I know that regarding saraswats and also other brahmins that priesthood was never the main pursuit of these people.However, on Wikipedia we have to adhere to what is in the source. If you say it is in other pages then please put it in the citation.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 12:59, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

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Mahar CASTE

Hey There, Sammy.. I had recently added a few details about history of mahar caste of Maharashtra.. You removed it why? Nowthatsk (talk) 17:22, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Mahar Caste

Hey Sammy, You just added only 1 aspect of mahar caste which is a Hinduism aspect where they treat other people who don't have a varna or who has done something which is forbidden in Hinduism. like Mahar people are avarna according to Hinduism. and they eat beef that is one of reasonable why they were treated as Untouchables. but you haven't added anything about Mahar culture or their own history which is apart from Untouchable label given by upper caste hindus. Why they Worship Nagas? Or Why 30 Crore people believe they are Mulnivasis? The mahar history has been distorted by aryans, and other Invaders. Nowthatsk (talk) 17:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Please take this to the Talk page of the article.ThanksJonathansammy (talk) 17:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Indian National Congress

Hi!

I recently deleted some statements made on the Indian National Congress page since they were clearly biased. The likening of the Congress to a "family-firm" is clearly a statement meant to antagonize the party. The author in the rest of her book seems to have displayed significant bias against the Congress.

I think the likening of the party to a "family firm" can be stated as an opinion (suggested edit). I also think these mentions are unnecessary since there is a sub-section dealing with dynastic politics in the Congress.

Please respond so that we may arrive at a resolution of this issue.

Thanks RithvikDS (talk) 19:41, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Marathi language

Regarding you revert here, where they sourced? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:17, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Narendra Jadhav and Urmila Pawar have their Wiki pages and have been well known writers for a long time.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I didn't know since they were not wikilinked and there is no citation after the text. That revert felt bad though since you also deleted the non-wiki articles. Anyway regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:24, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I've added (re added) some more notable Dalit Marathi language writers with sources this time. Check this - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:34, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

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Thanks for the reminder.Will bear that in mind for future edits.Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Good Faith

My edits were in good faith so you could've just re added the content with your source. When you undo it looks as if I've done a mistake. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:19, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

My original intent was to revert your edit and find sources that include the word Bihar.I did find sources that mention brahmin recruitment from Bihar for Bengal army but they will not be as visible as the Google book source and that's why I modified the content to mention Awadh only.My apologies if I hurt your feelings.regardsJonathansammy (talk) 15:08, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

That's OK mate. I have added Bihar since it is in the source added by you. Is it necessary to add (in present day Uttar Pradesh) after Awadh in the article since it is not in the source and in articles like Bombay Army, Madras Army, there is no mention of the modern day states. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:31, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.I think adding Uttar Pradesh is important because it is good for the reader to know exactly where the Awadh region is.I will add a suitable reference.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 15:38, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, adding a little detail wouldn't be harmful I guess. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:03, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

A plate of Pav Bhaji for you

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