User talk:Nyttend

Nyttend is away on vacation and may not respond swiftly to queries.

Tampa spam

The tampa4u.com links are being persistently added to articles despite multiple warnings, discussion and removal. Does this need to go through the SPAM noticeboard? Flowanda | Talk 08:20, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Triplestop and Hu12 already took care of it...I had been collecting all IPs, but adding them to the spam noticeboard is the one task I hate doing. I guess I was thinking URLs could be blacklisted without going through the board, but I now think I need to read the project page more better. Thanks for your help! Flowanda | Talk 21:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NRHP in Kansas (again)

I think the brick building in Greensburg, KS, is photographed here and is tagged appropriately for Wiki use. - Ichabod (talk) 12:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hardin County, Iowa

Hello Nyttend! I deposited a bunch of photos onto National Register of Historic Places listings in Hardin County, Iowa. It will be a long time before I can find time to make proper articles. If you are interested, have at them. Thanks, Bill Whittaker (talk) 17:18, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lost Springs lost reference?

Your edit to Lost Springs, Wyoming‎ moves the article's style away from that of the U.S. city article guideline which was the main purpose of my edit. I do see that {{GR|1}} does something somewhat useful here. (BTW, your edit summary [Restored reference, standard format] is misleading since your edit was, in fact, a revert). —EncMstr (talk) 22:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Old Main eligibility

The source that you put for Old Main on the Geneva College page is interesting, but you may want to recheck the eligibility. On the link page it said that the Resource type was for the District, which probably refers to the campus as a whole because it moved to Beaver Falls in 1880. Plus, no description is given for the building. If it was for Old Main it may have said something like Building or Structure. I could be wrong, but it seems more logical. Mvincec (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Double check...

Hey, I just wanted to double check that the new populated places articles that I've created over the last couple days are at least of decent content... I noticed a number of moves on your part to the proper names ("Newport, Ohio (Madison County)" -> "Newport, Madison County, Ohio"), and a couple fact tags added... other than that, am I doing well? I intend to create an article for all the unincorporated communities in Madison and Union county (at least, maybe keep going after that)... just wanted to know if what you've fixed were a couple minor article naming issues I overlooked, or if I should just stop now because they aren't worth the bandwidth they're printed on? - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Your adding fact tags to my community articles... Do we really need an inline citation when anyone that clicks on any of the GPS links can look at a map? - Adolphus79 (talk) 23:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Again... - Adolphus79 (talk) 01:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

yes/no

actually i'm worried the access might be closed, because the docs have not been reviewed for whether they cover address restricted sites. from correspondence friday, they are aware of the page. apparently some should not be open to us. i am imagining it could possibly blow up on monday. yes=i downloaded a copy, would be able to share in future. doncram (talk) 01:50, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll watch and respond here. They haven't taken anything down yet (i have just been noting that a few recent ones are not available because they probably never were, and the info for them probably is from new weekly listing announcements). i am just concerned that some or all of it could possibly be closed down on monday as a workday, yes, given concern expressed in one email i received. do you have, or could you get, all the OH ones, say? doncram (talk) 02:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've never before downloaded any, although I've just downloaded the entire no5 group, 44 forms from South Carolina. Which ones do you mean — just the OH ones in "no" sections, or everything? Nyttend (talk) 02:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check your email, by the way. Nyttend (talk) 02:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done with Ohio. Nyttend (talk) 03:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These links that aren't working appear not to have been working for some time. See this edit from two weeks ago: you added links for many that weren't working. I don't know where these numbers came from, because they weren't in the original version of the page; hence, I'd assume that they were never online. They were added in this series of edits by Einbierbitte, apparently from old weekly listings pages, but I'm still not sure whence the numbers themselves were derived. I was surprised to see these added in the first place, because when I created the list it was exclusively meant to help us find which of the PDFs online was the one we wanted, not to be a list of all MPS forms ever made, whether or not they were online. I actually considered removing them, but, aware that this wasn't Nyttend's list, I thought better of it. Nyttend (talk) 03:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a section you want me to help with, or do you and doncram have it all under control? Lvklock (talk) 16:05, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done, pending your confirmation as you noted at my talk page. :) Lvklock (talk) 00:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks, i did ID, LA, MA, and TX. doncram (talk) 15:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Community directories

You're welcome. I'm trying to (gradually) finish off a few other states on top of Wisconsin and Oregon, and the lists have been pretty helpful. --TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:38, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NRHPs visited

I know! I never finished the first time through on the NRHPs, and I visted more of each this weekend.....Ah, well. One more thing on my to do list, along with uploading new pics from Buffalo, and old pics from various places still sitting on my computer. I'll get there. Lvklock (talk) 03:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Township map

Any luck with downloading that township map, or is the link permanently dead? By the way, no biggie on the Aurora church. I think you just mixed up the route it's on with its address. -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:25, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harassment

Hi Nyttend- If you could have a look at some edits, I would be interested to see if they fall under Harassment. The anonymous Special:Contributions/71.64.103.117 (read some of the edit summaries on his contributions page) put this‎ on my talk page and the same thing on my user page. He also put the same thing on the talk page for User:JeffBillman. He also placed "refimprove" tags on several sections of two pages I have edited extensively, Kent, Ohio and Theodore Roosevelt High School (Kent, Ohio) despite both of them being pretty well-sourced. If anything, these fall under WP:PA --JonRidinger (talk) 17:30, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also please note this edit summary from revision ID 317846711 of the article at Kent, Ohio. -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Oh and sorry to alarm you with the subtitle here...next time I'll put a question mark with it. :) --JonRidinger (talk) 02:28, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Doesn't matter to me, I know what you mean :) --JonRidinger (talk) 19:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. You can add User:MaroonGoldSpike1 to the list of user names of the anonymous User:71.64.103.117. Nothing has happened (besides edits at Stow-Munroe Falls High School, an article I have all but abandoned), but just be aware. --JonRidinger (talk) 19:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Never meant to imply that his edits at that article were negative (albeit misled, for instance 9 citations on one simple fact about the athletic teams playing their home matches at the high school and 4 on the statement that it is commonly referred to as Stow High School). Most of his edits are usually OK. Apparently, another editor has started looking at it. My reasons for this belief are the first use of the account being today, the user name being related to Stow-Munroe Falls High School (maroon and gold are the school colors), all edits being on the aforementioned article, and the nature of the edits is virtually the same (several small successive edits, adding excessive citations, reverting own edits, etc.). On top of that, the user has done the same thing as the anonymous user and the other user names by placing a word on both the user page and talk page and then blanking them. Perhaps he/she keeps forgetting their password? But this is something like the 15th different user name. I haven't tried interacting, but you'll understand my reluctance to. --JonRidinger (talk) 19:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In looking at the talk page for Mr. MaroonGoldSpike1, I believe it may have been created before the block. But as I write this, I am about to find out if the user has created yet another account, this one being User:3227Egraham. 3227 E. Graham is the address of Stow-Munroe Falls High School. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So far, it does not appear that User:3227Egraham is the same, at least as far as initial interactions and edits have gone, though it is a brand new account. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:24, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK...thanks. Was hoping it wasn't a ruse of sockpuppetry, but maybe a new editor. :: sigh :: --JonRidinger (talk) 20:26, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have pretty much verified it's the same person as he/she posted on my talk page and referenced a discussion we had months ago. Not that I'm surprised based on the user name. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have opened a sockpuppet investigation at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Smfhs photographer concerning the different user accounts editing Stow-Munroe Falls High School. Please feel free to comment there if you are interested, thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wamego

Hello, I am new to editing on wikipedia, so I understand that I may have been guilty of copyright violations, but I do think I had a few valid posts as well. Were these removed as a group, or were they all proven to be inaccurate? I am trying to update a rather out of date page, and my writing may not have all been original (though as a wamego patron I know I would have the permission of those who did write it), but the fact is, the collection at the oz museum is no longer Todd Machin's, There is a Patti Page exhibit presented by her nephew, Wamego's history extends beyond the year 2000, Steve Balderson is only a notable person to himself, and there are festivals and events that I would like to better represent. However, I will try to better reference my material, it is just frustrating to have every post of mine removed. I hope to make some conservative edits tonight, and I hope I have not been blacklisted. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feltshammer (talk • contribs) 05:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grrrrowl.....

Sometimes my colleague editors are frustratingly fast with photos... This is not the first time that I've had a batch of photos to post and I've thought about editing both the relevant NRHP listing article and the individual articles all at the same time so that I could punch the two or three or four Save buttons all at once and not have a colleague pick and place one of my photos. Give the poor photog an hour or maybe even half a day to write text, pick photos, etc. Then, of course, if you don't like his/her choices, change them. You must have had this happen to you -- you've posted ten times as many photos as I. Frustrated but still cordially, . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 22:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies and thank you for the Bellamy and Birkhoff house photos. I gave you a hard time above and then this time you courteously held off, and I didn't follow through. I will say in my defense that I did put them on List of National Historic Landmarks in Massachusetts -- but obviously completely forgot to add them also to the two NRHP articles. Thanks. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 23:22, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nom

Thanks for nominating the article, and for letting me know - I'm pleased that you appreciated it. Best wishes, Warofdreams talk 13:03, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Questa

Hello. I want you to know that the Chevron mine in Questa has been idle/closed for over 2 years, and is not the primary source of employment here in this dirty tiny town. The mine has in fact been purchasing land in a land-grab and evicting people off of the land where they had rented because the soil is polluted from their mine. The mine is indeed the primary source of pollution here. I mean you are in Ohio, why would what you think is more likely have any bearing on what is here?- I guess you figure jesus

will fix it or it somehow does not matter to get the truth outPeace.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.123.58.82 (talk) 22:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

kelleys island

There are two historic districts on the island: one encompassing the village (Kelleys Island South Shore District) established in 1975, and one covering the entire island (Kelleys Island Historic District) established in 1988. One district being completely engulfed by another is not uncommon. I've listed several sources at Talk:Kelleys Island, Ohio that does state that the entire island is a National Register district. Please take a look and see if you agree. Thanks. --Polaron | Talk 01:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Christ Church (Stevensville, Maryland 1880)

Thanks for undoing the move of Christ Church (Stevensville, Maryland) to Christ Church (Stevensville, Maryland 1880). I didn't quite understand why User:Zink Dawg made that move. I will go ahead and change the links back.--Pubdog (talk) 09:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks also for taking care of most of the links, etc. Best wishes--Pubdog (talk) 09:45, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

North Bridgton, Maine

Hi-would you please take a look at the North Bridgton, Maine article? I am not sure about the template-I came across it on your ZIPCODE list-Many thanks-RFD (talk) 17:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to take a look at the Pennsylvania ZIPCODE list there are 4-5 bluelinks that are redirected to different articles and I am not sure why-I just left them

Jean Guisande

Hello. You deleted this article per WP:CSD#G5 "Pages created by banned users in violation of their ban having no substantial edits by others." Looking at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ladnavfan/Archive there seems to be no evidence that User:Ladnavfan is a banned user or that s/he added this article while banned or even blocked. Hence neither of the two necessary criteria for G5 seem to be satisfied. Is there something I'm missing here? Rhomb (talk) 19:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that -- I had not picked up on the fact that it had been determined to be a hoax as well. Rhomb (talk) 18:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Mary of Woodstock

On October 11, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mary of Woodstock, which you recently nominated. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page _{(here's how)} and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikipedia:Did you know 07:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Quincy, Massachusetts

Re: your recent reversion [1], it appears you also deleted an entire columns' worth of summaries that were added by Jameslwoodward (talk · contribs), and I am not sure if that was your intention. I actually was responding to his question on the list talk page, where he questioned the name of Adams National Historical Park in the list. In making that edit, I attempted to repair the WP:MOS violating linked header, which was the single word "Quincy". That seemed out of place and also should not have been linked. But Quincy probably should be linked, which is why I added the copy-paste lead paragraph. I don't see how that type of lead could hurt but if you are aware of a standardized NRHP list lead that has consensus, such as the one you pointed out for Dukes, by all means put that in. How difficult can it be to do that? I would do it myself, but I am not sure if there was some discussion about the structure, whether to use a city location map like File:Quincy_ma_highlight.png, etc. Sswonk (talk) 21:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nyttend, re: [2], I don't know who "we" is, but that's idiotic. There is no reason to use a name that is no longer in use, simply because the NR can't get its act together. I know you're a sysop who's approaching 120K edits, but I don't think that by ignoring my question above and then doing a 3RR violation on this you have done yourself any favors. Use common sense, the "site" no longer exists, except on the list your "we" uses. Sswonk (talk) 05:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Sswonk i am one other in that "we" probably, and we are not idiots. There is a reason to use the National Register names for places in lists of National Register places. Namely, to show what is listed on the National Register. Note the National Register name shows at other websites as well such as this one. That's different than anyone arguing that the wikipedia aticle about the place should be named by that, if it is not the current common name for the place. No one is arguing for the latter. Nyttend and I and others do also work with the National Register in pointing out corrections to be made to the National Register's NRIS database, especially where it has obvious typos. I don't know that this case is one where the NRIS is hopelessly out of date or even wrong at all. The place was in fact listed on the National Register under the name Adams National Historic Site in 1966. That should be shown in a list-article about NRHP places and should also be mentioned in the article. Also your edit summary says there was a name change for the site in 1998. Can you provide a source for that? If it was a formal name change it should have appeared as a renaming in the National Register, and if you could provide a more precise date I would try to look through copies of the National Register listings to find it (and if the NRHP name has actually changed, then NRIS would in fact be in error now and the NRHP list-article should indeed be updated). doncram (talk) 07:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we have [3], which spells it out but actually doesn't say the name changed. Even better is [4]:

REFERENCES TO THE HISTORIC SITE.—Any reference in any law (other than this Act), regulation, document, record, map, or other paper of the United States to the Adams National Historic Site shall be considered to be a reference to the historical park.

So, good for Nyttend, he's not really wrong. No 3RR violation either, by the way, just 3 reinstatements in slightly over 24 hours, only one of which was a direct revert. By the way, thanks for seeing the late night/early morning/needed some sleep use of the word "idiotic" for what it was, a synonym of "silly". I wasn't calling anyone an idiot; far from it. It does seem outdated to me and I think it would be common sense to change it except for the reasons given. FWIW, I am planning on contributing to this list via photography down the road, let me know how I can help. You, Nyttend, Polaron et al. do good work with this so I appreciate the quick responses to keep my confusion level at a minimum. Sswonk (talk) 12:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I edit conflicted with Sswonk while writing what's below, but I think it's still useful because I'm not certain where we've come out so far.

The question and, I think, the confusion here arises because the official name is different on different government lists. In a similar nearby case, the weather station on Blue Hill is

with, in each case, a note in the summary column showing the other name. The article happens to be under the NRHP name, but I would probably routinely put the article under the "senior" name. So in the case of the Adams NHP, I suggest using:

Adams National Historical Park (as it is now) on List of National Historic Landmarks in Massachusetts#Historic areas of the NPS in Massachusetts
Adams National Historical Site on National Register of Historic Places listings in Quincy, Massachusetts. As for a reference for the names and dates, I've put it in the article.

BTW, Sswonk, I've got the 90-odd sites in Quincy in my viewfinder as well, so maybe we should coordinate? . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 12:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks Sswonk and Jameslwoodward. I did just check through the National Register announcements in weeks after the November 2, 1998 date, and find no National Register announcement for this one. I'll add an entry about this case to wp:NRIS info issues#Massachusetts: property names now, to support an inquiry to the National Register as to whether this should be renamed in the National Register. There's been a good accumulation of similar questions for other Massachusetts NRHP listings, by the way, so it's about time to submit a batch covering them all. The National Register prefers to receive state-specific batches so that they can work with a state contact towards resolving the issues, where it is not simply a typo by the NR staff. In some situations, perhaps this one, the National Register staff cannot make a change directly, but have to receive a state-submitted correction/change submission. doncram (talk) 15:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Denver Neighborhood Article Vandalism?

Could you advise (or refer) me regarding more possible vandalism on Denver neighborhood articles, please? Specifically, the articles in question (so far today) are West Colfax, Denver and Denver West Side Jewish Community. Do today's edits on these articles constitute vandalism? How do I revert an article after someone has made four or five sequential edits? In other words, how do I revert four edits at once? Thanks and kind regards, Denverjeffrey (talk) 17:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. He's still at it, as we speak. Denverjeffrey (talk) 17:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to bug you, but I find myself involved in an "edit war," one that I really don't want to be in, regarding these two articles: Denver West Side Jewish Community and West Colfax, Denver. May I trouble you to help or offer advice? Thank you, Denverjeffrey (talk) 16:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly am I doing that's wrong?? I am merely adding information to these articles that I have intimate knowledge of. The deleting of my contributions and/or adding incorrect information would constitute vandalism more than my actions. If the information is true, unbiased, and isn't negative- let it be. Let others contribute !!! Don't be so rude to just delete someone else's contributions without any reason or giving them the benefit of the doubt. 75.71.248.140 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.248.140 (talk) 16:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HAER documentation

I undid your edit to McConnell's Mill Covered Bridge, restoring the Historic American Engineering Record (HAER) survey number and title so that this documentation can still be found if the link dies. The HAER survey number is of similar importance to the National Register of Historic Places (NRHP) reference number in the infobox for this article and the World Guide to Covered Bridges (WGCB) number found in nearby covered bridge entries such as Bitzer's Mill Covered Bridge. Your deletion removed useful information from the article; I put it back. Martindelaware (talk) 02:56, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jamaica Vermont Businesses

Hello. I have a question about re-editing my contribution to the Jamaica, Vermont page. Would it be more acceptable to mention the types of businesses as opposed to naming them? Just curious about consensus on protocol. I've seen other neighborhood pages with listings of proprietors. Having recently spent time in Jamaica I was struck how this town has businesses unlike the surrounding municipalities of the same size. Thanks for your advice. --Splendoroftheirroots (talk) 17:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glen Store and Post Office

I never found it on the National Register of Historic Places website (since it is missing a few places), so I looked here and found it. Here is the link to the official papers for the house: [5] Thanks-(Wikipedian1234 (talk) 22:10, 18 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]

If you look on pgs 7-14 on the packet you will find that there is a National Registry for Historic Places nomination form. There is a plaque on the front door, and I will happily give you a photo of that when I can. Thanks-(Wikipedian1234 (talk) 00:02, 19 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Sutliff

Nyttend- Sutliff is 5.4 miles from Lisbon, 8.4 miles from Solon, and 19.0 miles from Iowa City. Trust me, I know where it is... Bill Whittaker (talk) 12:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: National Register of Historic Places listings in Blair County, Pennsylvania

I'm glad I could help. And believe me, I know what it's like trying to edit while drowsy! --Stepheng3 (talk) 15:54, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Madison, Nebraska

I've reversed your recent edit to the article on Madison, Nebraska. I've included justification for my reversal on the article's discussion page-- I assume that would be a better place than this page to discuss the issue. I'm very new to this editing business, so please correct me gently if I've committed some kind of Wikisolecism. --Ammodramus (talk) 16:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re. your latest note at my talk page-- and I hope I'm replying via the appropriate venue--

No offense taken whatsoever: quite the opposite, in fact. As I said, I'm very new at this editing business, and I appreciate your patience in helping a newcomer learn the ropes.

Thanks especially for the help on the citation. That looks like a subject that's going to cause me a certain number of headaches, especially since Wikipedia doesn't have a standard house style. The section on citations says that if I supply enough information, other editors will eventually put them in the right format; but I'd rather do things right from the start.

I have my camera here, and I was planning to take some pictures of Madison. I hadn't thought about looking for NRHP sites, but will certainly do so; I thought I'd photograph the Tyson plant, as the town's largest employer. However, for the past several days it's been cloudy and rainy, and I'd rather wait for clear weather to take pictures-- especially of the pork plant, which is a large white building and would show up very badly against a white sky.

A question about that: If I add a photo to the article, is it appropriate for me to remove the photo request from the discussion page? I get the impression that it's not considered proper to edit anything that someone else has put on the discussion page, but this situation seems like an exception.

--Ammodramus (talk) 16:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, especially for the suggestion on getting the article rated. I'd like to add some history of the town before I do that.

I get the impression from your contribution history that you're particularly interested in Nat'l Registry of Historic Places sites. If I take pictures of such sites and upload them to Wikimedia Commons, is there anything I should do beyond categorizing them as NRHP sites in Nebraska (or whichever state)?

--Ammodramus (talk) 17:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Checked out the Anna Town Hall picture with great interest. I see that the original picture was quite large, and that there was a 600x800 preview (which showed up when I clicked the link) as well as thumbnails of other pictures, presumably of the same size. Is there any problem with my uploading such a large picture? I'd prefer to do so-- among other things, I have trouble with moiré patterns when I take smaller pictures of brick buildings. On the other hand, I don't want large pictures to cause problems with downloading speed.

Sun is trying to come out, so I might try for some pictures around Madison this afternoon.

--Ammodramus (talk) 18:00, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tried for some pictures around Madison this afternoon. Decided that the Tyson plant requires morning light, since it'd be best shot from the southeast. St. Leonard's Church is undergoing maintenance and has scaffolding on the steeple, so I'll go back and shoot that on another visit to Madison. I got pictures of First Presbyterian from the southwest and from the south; it should be shot from the SE as well, but that's a morning project. Two-thirds of one out of three isn't bad?

Will try to upload the First Presby pictures to W'media Commons. If I run into trouble, I'll probably holler for help. If it works, I'll probably try to do likewise with a few more of my Gosper County courthouse photos. Among others, I've got one of the cornerstone, which is how I know that the architects, McClure & Walker, were a Kearney firm. Can you footnote to a cornerstone?

The lines on the sunlit wall of the church photo you sent me are what I'd call moiré patterns, or interference patterns. Another (or similar) term is "aliasing", and there's an article on that as well. It may even be that the latter is a more appropriate term in the context of digital photography (and it may be the name by which you know those patterns). As I understand, lots of cameras have anti-aliasing systems, though the price is a loss of sharpness. I've noticed that I get it rather badly if I take small photos, even if I specify high quality; I haven't seen it as a problem with larger ones.

Thanks again for the advice; expect to have more requested--

--Ammodramus (talk) 19:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glad I could make a useful contribution re. UPC. Off in Ohio, you're probably not much aware of the political dynamics of Madison County, Nebraska. Madison is the county seat, but Norfolk is something like ten times as large, and it's very common for people to automatically assume that anything in Madison County is in Norfolk. I once submitted a report of an unusual bird seen by the courthouse to the person who keeps track of such things for Nebraska; and he duly reported that it'd been seen "near the Madison County courthouse (Norfolk)." Gives Madison a bit of a municipal inferiority complex...

If you've looked at my UPC pictures, are they and the appended information OK? As far as titling them and setting categories, I tried to follow the example you sent me. Regarding the pictures, I wasn't crazy about the cars in front; if you think it'd be better, I'll look out for an opportunity of re-taking them.

--Ammodramus (talk) 02:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent suggestions both. I saw the links in the description of the Anna town hall, but didn't know how to get them. You've saved me a lot of searching through the help-sections, and I've started putting links in. Will probably set up a category for my pictures, too. I'm egotistical enough to wonder: can I add my picture files to my watch list as though they were articles, and in that case will it give me an ego-gratifying message if and when someone ever uses one in an article?

--Ammodramus (talk) 03:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks yet again. I tried creating a "Pictures by Ammodramus" category, and it seems to have worked, at least for the first picture. One question, though: I notice that your "Files by User:Nyttend" category is included in "Hidden categories". What's the purpose of that? Is it something I should do?

--Ammodramus (talk) 04:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ich sehe gern, daß mein Bild auf Deutsch-Wikipedia steht.

And in nine or ten words, I've probably committed at least that many errors in grammar and spelling. And that's without even having adjective endings to worry about...

--Ammodramus (talk) 04:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"...but I don't speak German..."

In a way, you're fortunate. Mark Twain explains why.

My German is pretty nominal-- four semesters in college some thirty years ago, with a brief annual refresher when my aunt thrusts a sheaf of Christmas cards from our German relatives at me and demands translations, then charges me with translating our Christmas letter to them. It can take five minutes to figure out the ending for a single adjective. Twain simplifies it, if anything-- you not only have to account for the gender, number, and case of the noun, but also whether it's preceded (a) by no article or article-like word ("He's afraid of big dogs"), (b) by an indefinite article or other "ein"-type word ("My sister was attacked by a big dog"), or (c) by a definite article or other "der"-type word ("The police shot the big dog that attacked my sister").

And then there are separable verbs. A real-life example I found a few years ago was for a guest ranch near Tombstone, Arizona, that catered to German tourists. The word for "to invite" is "einladen", and when you conjugate it, you put the conjugated form of "laden" in the second position in the sentence, which is where the main verb goes in German, then exile the "ein" prefix to the end. The sentence came out something like "We VITE you to ride the trails of the Old West with our knowledgeable and interesting guides, then to sit around the campfire in the evening eating steak and beans and singing songs of the cowboys IN." It's actually worse than that, because in English "vite" doesn't mean anything; whereas in German, "laden" can be a free-standing verb. Time and time again, in trying to read German, I've worked my way through a sentence trying to make sense out of what I thought was the verb, then reaching the end and discovering that dislocated prefix that changed the whole meaning of it. </tirade>

--Ammodramus (talk) 18:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Townships

Hi Nyttend,

In this edit summary, you state Independence is governmentally independent and thus located without the township. However, if that was the case, Washington Township, Buchanan County, Iowa would not state Independence is within the township. I understand that some cities, such as those within Black Hawk County, have redrawn the township lines, but the map on Sumner Township, Buchanan County, Iowa doesn't show this. Do you have a source for the statement that Independence is independent of either Sumner or Washington Township? The map here seems to indicate otherwise. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 18:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Nyttend. Carry on. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 07:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: 'Ō'ōkala, Hawaii

The {{coord}} template does not have a "city" parameter. (See the template documentation.) Did it have one in the past? I assume what was intended was "type:city", so that's what I changed it to. I added "_region:US-HI" so that U.S. mapping resources would come up when the link was clicked. I hope that clears things up. Cheers! --Stepheng3 (talk) 21:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That was before my time, so I don't know the full story, but it appears that {{coord}} was an all-new template which eventually superseded {{coor dms}} and several others--see Template:Coord/doc#Superseded templates. It also looks like Legobot did a shoddy job of converting the template on 'Ō'ōkala, Hawaii. --Stepheng3 (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that the {{Coord}} documentation claims that all parameters can be used as before. Since that's apparently not true, I will correct the documentation. --Stepheng3 (talk) 05:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Register Listings for Guernsey County

Thanks for the help with the National Register Listings. The Guernsey County listings left are turning out to be elusive. The Ebenezer Finley House seems to have been either moved or destroyed and the Peter B. Sarchet House is located behind an electrified fence out in the middle of no where. May take awhile to be able to upload those. I think Monroe and Noble counties may be easier and I hope to complete them within the next few weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwsmith84 (talk • contribs) 16:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know a good resource to find delisted properties? I have a certain property showing up on nrhp website, but it doesn't appear on the nps focus website. Help me Obi-Wan KeNyttend, you're my only hope. Bwsmith84 (talk) 21:57, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPS Classified structures

Looks like the images are back! It'd probably be worth checking B&W images to make sure they're not re-using the NRHP images without attribution. Otherwise, based on a spot-check, it looks like there are a lot of new NPS-generated shots that should be usable here as PD. Acroterion _(talk) 20:40, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Custer County, Nebraska

You recently reverted an edit to Custer County, Nebraska. The edit was something like 12,314 and changed to 12,315. Why did you revert that? Btilm 04:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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King Salmon, California

I reverted your edit to the Humboldt County template because King Salmon, California is an unincorporated county locality, but is considered part of Eureka as it included in the 95503 Zip code, which is a Eureka, California zip. In effect it is a neighborhood without the benefit or disadvantage of being in the city limits. The city, which has never enjoyed the advantage of stable growth/development has worked in partnership with the County of Humboldt to provide its unincorporated citizens with services, such as water, sewer, and fire protection. Norcalal 06:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Garrettsville water department

Hey Nyttend- The source didn't indicate much of anything as it was the minutes from a previous meeting. It really didn't support what was being said in the section from what I read and made no mention of any specific policy to hire minors or use them on any notable scale. The one specific person it mentioned makes no reference to the fact the individual is a minor and the editor who added it put the person's graduation year ('08) which would not make him a minor anymore. If a better source can be found, of course it could be mentioned in the article, but maybe one or two sentences in the government section or something. --JonRidinger (talk) 16:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium

Hey Nyttend...need some advice here. When you get a chance, take a look at the edit history of Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium. There has been a back-and-forth edit between myself and at least one new editor and an anonymous editor (which I suspect is the same user). It stems from the inclusion of a statement regarding the stadium's record crowd, which this user feels needs to be mentioned in the lead as the 7th largest listed record crowd (even though it is by no means the 7th largest crowd to ever see a college football game). The lead already mentions the stadium being ranked 7th by listed capacity. I'm pretty much at the limit for 3RR, so any help or additional insight you can give would be great. --JonRidinger (talk) 19:05, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photos from here and there and everywhere

I'm impressed: how do you get the time to go to Greenville and Washington Courthouse? Nyttend (talk) 02:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am an insurance agent and find myself everywhere for CE classes. Not to mention many photos are from years ago during vacations and family visits which I have just scanned in. I recall a saying about a rolling stone. Bwsmith84 (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Burlington, Vermont

I think we have decided that there are sufficient articles (but one) for stuff outside Burlington, Vermont: Chittenden County, and Burlington-South Burlington Metropolitan Area. There has been a "Plattsburg connection" across the Lake. The only way to get there "conveniently" (?) is by ferry. There seems to have been more of a link when Plattsburg had an AF base. A jobs thing, I suppose. I have never been there! Apparently they target Burlington on radio, & vice-versa, if you believe our new editor.

So there could be (I hope not) a "Greater Burlington-Plattsburg" article, but I would try to afd it! )

In the meantime, stuff placed in Burlington needs to be moved elsewhere IMO. I will try to do that. (So much easier with real vandals - just revert! :). Drat! Student7 (talk) 12:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can agree on uvm hockey, just hate to set a precedent and have to tell kids they can't insert their latest h.s. lacrosse game into Burlington.

There are multiple ferries to different places in NY, probably a lot more prevalent when there was more commerce between Plattsburg and Burlington. I am not familiar with them. Your experience is what leads me to think that the Plattsburg-Burlington connection is a bit stretched. Yes, if you miss a ferry, you've had it! Not like the NY ferries of olden days - when you missed one, there was another in a few minutes = signals a lot of commerce IMO.

Also, I loused up the Mt. Mansfield TV station which someone will probably re-insert - major station. I kind of remember (after I had deleted it) that we had argued that one out before. I probably lost! :) Student7 (talk) 15:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Win button.jpg

Hi, it would seem to be pretty straightforward to retain that image with a nonfree use rationale. Would you be willing to restore it provisionally? Regards, Durova³⁴⁸ 13:44, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Register of Historic Places in Alabama template

Hi Nyttend, I noticed your changes to the National Register of Historic Places in Alabama template; would you take a look at the other new state templates also? Altairisfar_talk 14:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I thought you would be aware of the discussion at the NRHP project. They are Template:National Register of Historic Places in Pennsylvania and Template:National Register of Historic Places Oregon. Altairisfar_talk 14:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Karl Stefan building

Thanks. It helped that I had great lighting. I got some more pictures of Nebraska NRHP sites yesterday; but today there was a heavy overcast, and photos would've made the buildings look excessively gloomy.

I was looking for buildings based on the information in National Register of Historic Places listings in Nebraska. I suspect that some of the addresses are wrong. I corrected some obvious mistakes a few days ago-- US163 instead of US136 and the like-- but I should probably run down the whole list and compare them to the official site. I wonder if the errors came from the dot-com site that you warned me about.

I don't think Streamline Moderne buildings are terribly common around Nebraska, though I'll certainly keep an eye out for them. I hadn't been to the Norfolk airport in a long time, and hadn't realized how cool it was.

We do have a decent bit of Art Deco. I'll be adding some photos of the city auditorium in York before too long. It's a great building, and I'm surprised it's not on the NRHP. I suspect that the York County Historical Society isn't real active in that regard. Think there are only four buildings listed in the whole county.

--Ammodramus (talk) 01:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ouch. I'd hoped that a quick reference to NRIS would allow me to correct things.

If I find errors in name and location and if they're supported by NRIS, should I add them to WP:NRIS issues?

I like what you did with the Madison, Nebraska picture. My original version was hardly visible.

--Ammodramus (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photo permission

I am not "withdrawing permissions". I did not fully undertsand the issues with licensing. I have discussed with the various photographers and agreed three photos which may remain. The particular photographer who took that one has point blank refused. It was never legally released into the public domain and it is illegal to display it. --Fiskeharrison (talk) 00:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly stop reverting my legitimate edits. I thought at the time that 'creation' meant of the digital file. I clearly did not take that image, nor the other ones which are of me! Now I understand, I have requested - and negotiated - certain permissions. However, not for that photo. You are putting Wikipedia in breach of copyright law.--Fiskeharrison (talk) 00:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NRHP photos question/proposals

I've opened the discussion on NRHP photos at Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#NRHP_nomination_photosand hope that you'll comment there. Smallbones (talk) 16:54, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Freely licensed PennDOT bridge photos

I started a list article at User:Ruhrfisch/Frog1 which lists almost all of them. It seemed like a fork of the Pennsylvania NRHP Bridges article, so I never moved it article space. The bridges are all given on the web in a MPS here:

"Highway Bridges Owned by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Department of Transportation TR (Thematic Resources)" (PDF). National Park Service. June 22, 1988. Retrieved January 18, 2009. A quick way to see if they are probably on the list is to look at the NRHP listing date (June 22, 1888).

I have sadly only uploaded two of the PennDOT NRHP bridge photos: File:Plunketts Creek Bridge No. 3 Summer.jpg and File:Waterville Bridge NRHP photo.jpg.

I made a template on Commons only: {{Pennsylvania Department of Transportation permission}}

Thanks as always for all of your help, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:13, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Schoolhouse Photos in Public Domain?

You recently edited the Little Outfit Schoolhouse piece of the National Register of Historic Places for Santa Cruz County, Arizona. You changed the photo back from a new photo added 30 OCT 2009 to a photo added two or three weeks previous. Your reason given was that neither photo had proof of being in the Public Domain. I had come to the same conclusion with regard the original photo but I do have proof (at least I believe it to be proof) that the second photo showing the students walking away from the schoolhouse is in the public domain. Where should I document my proof? Please be detailed because I am not yet very familiar with Wikipedia. Durward3 (talk) 04:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2 November: Nyttend, in response to the above paragraph you recommended as follows:

I'm not an expert on these things; therefore, to get details, you should ask a question at Wikipedia:Media Copyright Questions or Commons:Commons talk:Licensing. These pages are frequented by those much more familiar with copyright than I am, so they should be able to help you. Nyttend (talk) 05:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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I have followed your suggestion and posted the following query on Media Copyright Questions:

The Little Outfit Schoolhouse was added to the National Register of Historic Places (Santa Cruz County, Arizona) early in 2009. I want to add an image of the schoolhouse to the Wikipedia page. I have characterized the image as being in the public domain with no constraint on its usage but one of the monitors has removed the image saying no proof has been shown that the image is, in fact, in the public domain. I have two questions: 1) Is my proof (see below) sufficient? The image in question

2)If my proof is sufficient, how and where do I post the proof (or the conclusion that the proof is sufficient) so that other monitors can will see it and not remove the image again? My case that the image is in the public domain is that it has been copied from a school brochure which was published in 1943 (or close thereto)by a private school advertising the benefits of the school. I led the effort to have this school (schoolhouse) put on the U.S. Government's National Register of Historic Places so I have made a thorough study of the school's history and what is available as photographs or documents to make the case for inclusion on the register. The school closed as a school in 1950, the owners sold the ranch, school records and files were discarded, and the last of the owners died in 1980. I have talked to the two surviving children of the owners and there are no claims to rights on any of the schools properties. The photograph in question was probably taken by Charles Herbert, an uncle of one of the students when I was there myself in the mid-40s. Herbert was a well known photographer and left a large collection of his work. When he died in 1976 his company, Western Ways, closed its doors. When Herbert's wive died the company's records were donated to the Arizona Historical Society. The Society has given me a complete set of its photographs of the Little Outfit taken by Herbert and the image I have chosen to include is not among them. In several years of hunting for Little Outfit memorabilia I have never encountered anyone other than the Arizona Historical Society who has claimed rights to such objects related to the Little Outfit. My conclusion is that there is no "ownership" of any kind associated with this image and that anyone is free to use it as they will. Thank you for your help in resolving this matter -- I look forward to your directions on how I (we?) should make the above proof more generally available.

User Steve Smith, an administrator of the English Wikipedia has responded as follows:

If it was published in the U.S. in 1943 (or any other time between 1923 and 1950) then the photograph probably is in the public domain, unless somebody renewed its copyright in the year preceding the 28th anniversary of the publication, which does not sound likely. I'd suggest that you re-upload it and affix the appropriate tag: either

This work is in the public domain because it was published in the United States between 1929 and 1977 inclusive, without a copyright notice. Unless the author has been dead for several years, it is not in the public domain in countries that do not apply the rule of the shorter term for US works. This includes Canada, China (not Hong Kong, Macao, or Taiwan Area), Germany, Mexico, Switzerland, and other countries with individual treaties. See also further explanation.

I have attempted to follow his instructions but you have once again removed the photograph from its section on the Little Outfit Schoolhouse section of the National Register of Historic Places (Santa Cruz County, Arizona). Please explain what I am missing here and/or what I need to do to correct it. Or please stop removing the photo.

Thank you. Durward3 (talk) 14:39, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User:Deadalus821

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Hell Gate coordinates

How the heck did you find those??? I searched quite a bit, and couldn't find diddly squat. (Thanks for adding them!) - Tim1965 (talk) 13:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Historical Places help

I'm not sure if it was you that told me, but someone told me about a tool that helps start pages for historical places. Can you point me to that tool? Thanks, CTJF83 chat 20:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks CTJF83 chat 07:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Marmon House

I approved this on DYK, but suggested you add "in Ohio" to the end of the hook. I also think the probable date of construction should be added in that section of the article (I know it is in the Infobox and lead already). Nice article and pic, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 13:11, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

County fully illustrated

Thanks; I wasn't aware of that. I'll save the link and add any other Nebraska counties that I get fully illustrated.

Question: For some of the sites listed on National Register of Historic Places listings in Nebraska, I can give road names. (I've done so in the descriptions on WM Commons.) For example, the Turkey Creek bridge is on 722 just west of P. Would it be desirable to put those into the WP article instead of generic phrases like "county road"?

--Ammodramus (talk) 17:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Deletion review

Hi Nyttend. Thank you for the unblock and notifiying me about the deletion review process. Yes I would like to have a deletion review for the biography and would greatly appreciate it if you could restore the biography on a subspace under my username for the review process. Deadalus821 (talk) 02:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Text of My Deleted FanFiction please?

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Townships

Months ago you left me a message about township naming in Pennsylvania. For some reason which I now forget, I didn't manage a response at the time and never thought to get back to it; sorry about that. However, I see you've already done the renames there, and I definitely support that; if there are other states in need of such work, I'd be willing to help if necessary. Omnedon (talk) 14:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Martin Marmon House

On November 5, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Martin Marmon House, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page _{(here's how)} and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

So Why 21:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Milton -- Hornfels

Before I post Milton as "fully-illustrated" are you OK with the map for Massachusetts Hornfels-Braintree Slate Quarry? Any photograph -- aerial or on the ground -- will be just woods -- and the map shows the area south of Chickatawbut Road where the site must be, assuming that the location in Milton is not disinformation (Braintree is the next town over). . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 11:36, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NowCommons: File:MO Bangkok exterior.jpg

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Three -- Forks -- Page

Hello, I edited the three forks page because I do not believe Three Forks, having lived there for several years to be a city, it is only a town; or indeed a very small city. I believe i was wronged when a message was sent to me saying i had "vandalized" the pageArcanepublic (talk) 03:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Nyttend

Says here you deleted my Wiki in progress Northwood_MS for a Middle School. By all means, that was out of line, can't believe you have the time to do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentnwms (talk • contribs) 07:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Register of Historic Places listings in Delaware County, Pennsylvania

Thanks for your interest in my little project. As far as adding all the pictures to Commons - I've always been uncomfortable with Commons for some reason - maybe I'll get over it once this little project is done. In the meantime since I've given each photo to the Public Domain, anybody is free to add it to Commons or use it in any way that they want.

"Finishing" all the photos will be tough. Out of 80+ listings, there are about 15 to go. I'll be able to get 5 easily enough, and about 5 may be impossible (Destroyed, on very private property, miscategorized, etc.). I'd like to get an article (or at least a section in an article) for each listing and will probably spend most of my wikitime on that, even if the articles are stubbish summaries of the NRHP nomination. It would, of course, be wonderful if you wanted to pitch in! All but 1 or 2 of the nominations are at ARCH.

Probably more important to me would be a model county listing - something to emulate. Could you recommend a list of National Register of Historic Places listings in X County, Y State that you think works well?

And thanks again, especially for checking my brackets :[[

Smallbones (talk) 16:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

R. H. Stearns House move

Would you move R. H. Stearns House to R. H. Stearns Building for me? As I noted on wp:NRIS info issues, the building is actually not his house, but the last headquarters of his department store chain, so the latter is where the article belongs. I was dumb -- I created "Building", then remembered that I should move "House" rather than just blank and redirect it. Thanks. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 17:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Thank you... I've been trying to resaerch this location through the PC Historical Society for a while now... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Idaho towns and cities.

Hello,

I am trying to expand many of the town’s cities and unincorporated places and other named areas in Northern Idaho.

This is a talk page so I am sorry but I don't have the exact Idaho decree that created much of this issue. But a several years ago, the Idaho state government changed the zoning laws for local government and tied it to funding.

In several counties Idaho County, Idaho is one of a few I can name of the top of my head there are no zoning or local building codes. The local governments then had to decide if they were going to fill out the laborious paper work or not. Many smaller places that had formerly been known as towns or villages had to either become cities or un-incorporated.

It looks as though this is a major sticking point in many of your edits of Idaho places.

Many of these unincorporated towns still have town governments which in the eastern part of the US would be considered homeowners associations or other civic groups. Some have joint school districts a major reason for deciding if you were going to change from town or village or just unincorporate. Also many Towns and Villages became Cities. But are still referred too by local residences as towns and villages, many still have road signs, and civic slogans that have the word town in them, it has always been that way why change them.

Mullan which you edit everything I put into it has gone from a Village to a town to a city. The town of Mullan has gone through this in order to protect the school from having to join a joint school district and to have the kids bussed to Silverton, Idaho (another place that once was a town, but choose unincorperate) for the elementary school, and Wallace, Idaho for the high school. Yes Mullan is a city, but it is referred too as a town, by almost every one, some still call it a village. The City of Mullan, motto slogan which is on the business cards for the mayor, city clerk, and other city employees is the “Town of trails” even thought it’s a city.

The City of troy is referred too as a town, and it is listed as a town even on the side of Tracie’s police car she is troy’s police force.

Many of the places that I am adding to Wiki have historic significance not just on a local level but on a national level too. Frisco, Mace, Gem, Mullan, Big Creek, Elk Creek, and Pine creek are all places, some are mines, some are towns or former towns, and some are just areas. I am going over and adding what I can sourcing what I can, much of the source material can’t be found online, most are in obscure books I read in college or federal records, or browning stacks of local papers that have been out of business for 40 years. Many of the records and things I post are from old newspapers that were shredded and used as insulation, only to be found 100 years later when someone remodels a building and frames it some don’t even have the name of the paper left on it.

I am trying to put some of this information on Wiki not because I want to damage it, but so that my children have a written record of the history of place. Many of the older generation are moving out of the silver valley, many families left in 1981, when the Bunker Hill and Sullivan closed down. Some of their children and grand children, might be looking for a starter so they can add to it and give these places a history, a legacy, they might have better citations, but if no one starts who can expand.

I have no problem with you editing my english but please leave some of these things out there to start the conversation Lostpl8 (talk) 12:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Archaeology Site Nos

in the US, almost all states use the Smithsonian Trinomal, eg. 13LE10 is Fort Madison (1808-1813). 13 is Iowa alphabetically (excluding alaska and hawaii), LE is short for Lee county, and it was the 10th site to be registered in Lee county. Sometimes controversy emerges, for example in Missouri about 8 years ago both the Missouri Archaeological Survey and the Missouri Historic Preservation officer were both assigning numbers, often contradictory, this was because of some stupid dispute. Bill Whittaker (talk) 23:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Register of Historic Places listings in Monroe County, Michigan

While I have no objections to your reverting the addresses of the items in the list in the National Register of Historic Places listings in Monroe County, Michigan article back to their verbatim text, the only thing I would argue against is the location of the Detroit River Light. Various sources indicate either South Rockwood or Rockwood. The NRHP site mentions Rockwood, while these sites ([6][7][8]) mention South Rockwood. The only reason I'm bringing this up is because if the lighthouse were part of Rockwood, it would be in Wayne County instead of Monroe. Despite being owned by the USCG, to be in Monroe County (and considering its location within Monroe's water boundary on a number of maps [9][10][11]), it would have to be in the jurisdiction of South Rockwood. —Notorious4life (talk) 02:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your quick reply. I'm a geography/history graduate, and I like to use what I know, as well as my researching abilities, to contribute to a wide array of Michigan articles. The problem is that I come across so much conflicting evidence from a variety of websites and primary sources, especially when researching a subject of which I'm only vaguely familiar. I know the area where I live like the back of my hand (and to the boredom of many), but the Detroit River Light is a stumping issue; as far as I've researched, it is in Monroe County water, but Rockwood and South Rockwood are often viewed as just one larger city straddling two counties (similar to Milan, Michigan). I'm going to have to look at some additional sources. Since you're an administrator with 50 times my amount of edits, I respect your advice and input on how I can improve my contributions. I have looked at all the other NRHP articles for the rest of Michigan, but, of course, I'm trying to improve my county's article first before tackling the state.

—Notorious4life (talk) 02:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your removing of the NYC bridge from the Monroe County NHRP article. I was the one that originally added it, because I saw it on a few lists and on this document (Part IX - although it may have just been nominated but not approved). I tried locating additional sources to verify this bridge's inclusion. I couldn't find any, and you removed it from the article before I had to chance to go back and do so myself. Also, for North Maumee Bay, it's probably going to be impossible to find or even take a good picture to show the district since I don't have access to a helicopter to do so. Also, I noticed the image of Gov. Robert McClelland House was removed in the same edit. Was that an unintentional removal? —Notorious4life (talk) 22:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I joined the NRHP Wikiproject and will go through that project, as well many of the other articles within, to see what I can do for finding quality sources and improving the articles of Monroe County and eventually others. Your Champaign County looks very good. The pictures are great too and are a vital part of any article. I was walking around Monroe yesterday taking pictures of some of the buildings, and people were driving by thinking, "Who the hell wants to take a pictures of those dumpy buildings?" It's a shame how much of the history in my area is unknown or unappreciated, and I'm still learning most of it. —Notorious4life (talk) 23:24, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your help with the National Register of Historic Places listings in Monroe County, Michigan article. I've filled that article with enough content to move foward, and I'll add a few more pictures when I get a chance. Yesterday, I created the article George Armstrong Custer Equestrian Monument, which is on the Monroe County NRHP. I was wondering if you could take a minute to go over that article and make any comments or necessary touch-ups. In time, I have some more pictures I can add to the article, but I believe the article is solid enough to at least be out of stub status. I plan to create several more articles for the Monroe County NRHP, although sources and information are lacking on several of them (specifically North Maumee Bay and the Weis Company). Thank you. —Notorious4life (talk) 17:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Garfield Statue

I did! It was on the front page of the Record-Courier today. When I saw it I mentioned to my grandmother that I had gotten some pictures of it with the head missing. :) Now I may have to go get a new picture of it all fixed. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NRHP dates

A quick question, if I could try your patience...

I've just uploaded some photos of the Clay County, Nebraska courthouse. The Elkman tool, which I assume accesses the NRHP database, gives a date of construction of 1917. The date on the cornerstone of the building (I've included a photo at WM Commons) gives it as 1918.

Is this an error in NRHP, or does it use, say, the date on which the first shovelful of earth was turned, while the cornerstone was laid later? Which date should I use when categorizing the photos?

Thanks in advance for the response, and I apologize for pestering you with so many questions

--Ammodramus (talk) 18:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discovered what seemed to be a problem with a date on an NRHP site in Nebraska; then discovered the reason for it.

For the US Post Office-Minden in Kearney County, the Elkman tool returns a date of 1939. The date on the cornerstone is 1936. I was on the verge of reporting this as an error when I checked the Nebraska State Historical Society's National Register sites webpage. They had a link to a PDF of the registration form for the site; and that informed me that the site was listed not for the building, but for a WPA mural inside-- painted in 1939.

I've been in touch with someone at the Historical Society, and she tells me that there's a project under way to make all the registration forms available online. So far, they've only got a small number up, the Minden Post Office's among them.

Embarrassingly, I photographed the interior of the building-- and dismissed the mural as a recent work by Minden schoolchildren, tending to bring down the tone of the place. Clearly I need to learn more about the fine points of 1930s painting...

--Ammodramus (talk) 19:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A quick follow-up, as I start entering photos:

The Elkman tool lists the architect for the Minden post office as William E. L. Bunn. Bunn was actually the painter of the mural inside; the architect listed on the cornerstone is Louis A. Simon. Is this an error that should be reported, or is this just something we have to live with because of the limitations of the database structure?

Also: I've got photos of the interior that include the mural; and since the mural is given as the reason for the NRHP listing, I'd like to go back and get some pictures of it specifically. Would there be copyright issues with my uploading such photos, or would the mural's age and/or federal-goverment-work status make it public-domain material?

--Ammodramus (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks-- I apologize for continuing to bother you; and if and when I come to know the system as well as you, will try to be as forbearing with novices as you've been with me.

Your summary of the situation was correct; I'm waiting to hear about the copyright status before I upload the rest of my interior photos of the Minden post office. For what it's worth, all of the pictures I took were intended to illustrate the interior of the building, and none focuses on the mural. One shows only the left one-third of the mural; the other two show all or almost all of it, but only as details of the scene-- in one, the mural takes up about 20% of the photo area; in the other, less than 10%. Does the "background" nature of the mural in these photos affect the copyright situation?

--Ammodramus (talk) 01:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Need help for bar chart

File:Worldenc example1.png

Example 1

File:Worldenc example2.png

Example 2

I want to create bar chart for population (for determine an annual trend), please advised me for starting point of bar chart.

example : if county has population

July 2000 Estimate 	43874
July 2001 Estimate 	44437
July 2002 Estimate 	45160
July 2003 Estimate 	45766
July 2004 Estimate 	46941
July 2005 Estimate 	47882
July 2006 Estimate 	49039
July 2007 Estimate 	49830
July 2008 Estimate 	50364

for this chart what should i take starting point???

usually i take starting point 40000, its ok or not???

some one tell me that you must take starting point 0 (zero) is that correct???

Which is better example 1 or example 2 ???

Thanks Worldenc (talk) 07:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NRHP address issue: Nebraska

I encountered a potential problem in National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Nebraska#Merrick_County, and I'm not sure what (if anything) to do about it.

The Nelson Farm is listed at 1139 M St. in Central City. There is no such address in the city; and the linked map shows the place about four miles west of town.

I suspect that the 1139 M address is correct, but it's by the county-road system and not the Central City system. The city and the county both use lettered and numbered roads, but the systems don't match up.

Unfortunately, the article tends to make the casual reader (by which I mean me) think that it's a Central City address; and a casual reader who went looking for the site (by which I mean me) would experience a certain amount of frustration trying to find it.

My own inclination would be to change the address to "1139 County Road M", or to "4 miles west of Central City: 1139 M". But that's based on original research...

The Elkman tool doesn't bring up information for the site (which was added in August 2009), so I don't know if this is an NRIS issue or not.

Thanks, and I apologize for flinging yet another problem at you--

--Ammodramus (talk) 17:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Waterfalls, waterfalls, waterfalls!

Feeling wikistress? Wish you could have a vacation someplace with two dozen waterfalls? Well the next best thing is here!

If you want to, please come look at pictures of waterfalls and pick which ones you like best. You'll be helping make a better article too.

Thanks, Dincher (talk) and Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. That wikilink again: User talk:Ruhrfisch/Waterfalls

Thanks for your input so far and have fun with the scouts. I think we're going to keep the poll up for a week, so no hurry. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 16:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all. The poll is still open - we are slowly working our way through the list article, so we put the current leader images in there as place holders. Hope to hear from DCNR and make sure they are all identified correctly before moving to article space. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 05:27, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gray County Courthouse (Old)

Thanks for the note. I usually do try to track down information about locations on the state HPO, but in this case, I was in a hurry to get through the new Kansas listings and didn't take the time. Besides, I know I can always count on you to check my work. ;^) --sanfranman59 (talk) 23:58, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Mathews

A new user went and typed a new article over the existing article for the former NASCAR driver. The new article is in decent shape and the new person appears to be notable enough. My question is how do we deal with this problem yet stay within the GDFL. Is it enough to just do a cut and paste to the new article or is the deletion/history-merge admin thingy needed? I looked around for some time and didn't come up with anything clear. I'm hoping (and guessing) that you or one of your talk page stalkers knows of the top of their head. Thanks! Royalbroil 13:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, I've used {{for}} a lot. Might be time for Ryan Mathews (disambiguation) since there are 2 other uses besides the NASCAR driver. My question was how to deal with the GDFL. Thanks for taking care of it! Royalbroil 14:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wondered if spliting the history was the way to go, but I thought I'd look before I leap since it takes a fair bit of time. Royalbroil 14:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you did a great job! A few little things - I would have named the NASCAR driver article Ryan Mathews (racer) since ARCA is arguable notable series to warrant an article and you never know what direction he will start racing. Also, that template that you linked my on talk page needs to be deleted - should be speedy eligible since it's an unused template. I have to leave church immediately and I'll be gone doing other things today. Thanks for you help! Royalbroil 14:26, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wenceslaus Hollar

Please don't perform article renames without raising the matter on the talk page, and following the procedures set out in WP:MOVE. Johnbod (talk) 15:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is absolutely no excuse, as I've said at ANI. See also his talk page, where someone else pointed out the correct way to proceed. Johnbod (talk) 15:19, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia, VT

Hey Nyttend - it looks like that editor you reverted on the Georgia page is making all kinds of random vandalism edits all over the place. Do you have the tools to deal with this, or do you know someone who does? I'm going to start reverting . . . Oy. H0n0r (talk) 05:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It looks like you, me and user:Tide rolls all got there at the same time. Take it easy. H0n0r (talk) 05:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photo thanks and query

Thanks for swapping my Paul Revere HOuse into NHL Boston. I'm always a little reluctant to replace an existing photo with one of my own -- I did it on NRHP Boston, then had second thoughts -- the other was a perfectly good photo, probably more realistic of the usual view, complete with tourists -- I just paid a little more attention to not having people in it. (Actually it was serendipity -- Mariner's House is two doors up the street.)

Query -- is there an easier way to upload multiple photos than http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&uselang=ownwork. After one of my shoots, I typically have 15-20 images to upload, and it takes half, three-quarters of an hour on Commons doing them on at a time. I use HotCat for adding any special categories (schools, churches, cemeteries, etc.), and the description comes out of my Excel spreadsheet that generates file names, so most of the time is just waiting for Commons. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 23:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A complaint about your edits has been filed at the 3RR noticeboard

Hello Nyttend. Please see WP:AN3#User:Nyttend reported by Sswonk (talk) (Result: ). Though it's not my place to resolve the matter here, if your view is that WP:NRHP requires the capitalization of the source file to be followed literally, how do you explain that the entries you've been reverting are the only ones in the list that are all caps? And do you actually want the source list's distinction of USS from U.S.S. to be faithfully preserved? Surely such unusual literalness would need to be justified by a consensus that you can point to somewhere. Wars over style are the most painful, so I hope this one can be compromised somehow. EdJohnston (talk) 23:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jerome Street Bridge location

Howdy Nyttend. I noticed on a few maps recently that both sides of the Jerome Street Bridge (aka Lysle Blvd or 5th Avenue Bridge) touch down in McKeesport, Pennsylvania. I realize the NRHP lists the bridge as being between McKeesport and Glassport, Pennsylvania, but that area directly on the other side of the bridge is still considered McKeesport based on my trusty County Road Map as well as the Allegheny County Municipal Map. This is a bit confusing, I know, but if one looks at the bridge on various maps, there's the side that is clearly in McKeesport and then there's a wedge of land on the other side of the river that is neither in Glassport nor Port Vue, Pennsylvania. That wedge is still considered McKeesport according to the most recent and reliable maps that I have seen, and according to these maps, the Jerome Street Bridge touches down within the boundaries of McKeesport, PA, on both sides of the Youghiogheny River. It can be pretty confusing to see though. Leepaxton (talk) 03:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Choice?

A favor, please:

is straight on, no cars, but white sky and dull
leans back and has cars in the way, but has a nice sky and sunshine

They're too similar to use them both. I think I like the second better, but are we artists or architectural historians? Thanks, . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 15:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I too like the second better. We do our best.--Pubdog (talk) 13:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

Sure, I can add references. Would it all right if I used NPS Focus instead of NRIS for the one reference? Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 00:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll get it running. By the way, could you do a favor? I've been trying to get {{Infobox U.S. County}} changed so that bottom caption (usually used with an accompaning county courthouse photo) is centered. I went through the whole "edit protected" process, got responses from some admins, but it hasn't been implemented yet (possibly forgotten?). The sandbox has all the relevant code and a simple copy/paste from there should be all that is necessary. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 04:10, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Thanks! At least half the lists done. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 04:59, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Finished. Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 05:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Hey Nyttend, do you care to explain this? Is the problem that a timeline isn't prose? I'm wondering, since I have seen quite a few timelines and never realized they might off-limits. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 05:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response. Drmies (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Listers

Concerning the post of lister in Albany, Vermont or any other Vermont town. "Listers" are like city real estate appraisers. They construct the "Grand List" of real estate values for the town government. Thus the name. There are often three of them because they are essentially amateurs. Highly trained nowdays, but still nearly unpaid and ostensibly prone to error. They "vote" on appraisals of property which allows two of them to outvote the third one when a large disagreement ensues. So there are usually three. One of the problems here is that we probably need an article and a pointer to lister from the infobox. Student7 (talk) 22:10, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pueblo City Park Carousel

I reverted your cleanup on this article. The reason I did so while yours does look grammatically better there were sources on there that covered you citation needed and describexd the article itself. Caan we figure a way to do both so we are both happy? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have to read the sources to say it's not there......In carousel news it plainly says this albeit way down. " In 1940, the City Commissioner of Parks and Highways arranged for Pueblo Public Park District No. 2 to purchase C.W. Parker #72. The ride was installed south and east of Goodnight Avenue; however it lacked a building to protect it at this point. " Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also articles that are maintained by city or state government is public domain. As long as things are sourced there is nothing wrong with quotes. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:55, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You'll have to do some work here and read this whole thing. [[12]] there are two sources both stating it is owned and maintained by the city of puebloHell In A Bucket (talk) 23:02, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perahps this is simple enough for you, dear lord I hope so. I don't have any crayons. [[13]] Hell In A Bucket (talk) 23:21, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Nyttend. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did you even look at the Carousel News Date before saying it was out of date? you said "How are we to know that the Pueblo Park District No. 2 and the Pueblo City Park are identical? How am I to know that it has never since been sold? I don't appreciate the condescension" (Monday, 16 November 2009 ) Kinda odd to be out of date after only a week? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By that line of reasoning we'd have to double check each and every NHR to make sure the ownership of all are maintained by the same. Consider the park is over 100 years old. The city bought it in 1940, there is no further references to sales or the like. It isn't OR to conclude that it is still owned by the city. Most times NHR will say public or private owned as in the case of the Vail Hotel. Speaking of which I need ot correct the same error I made on the carousel. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 01:17, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Malpolon monspessulanus

I responded.SADADS (talk) 06:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A Star of David tipped church.

Congregation Adath Jeshurun now the First Haitian Baptist Church.. . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 15:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Murray 2nd Ward Bldg.JPG

Why was a Federal Government photo tagged for copyright violation. This was a National Historic Register photo. Please explain

Stundra (talk) 16:13, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three favors, please

Would you please:

A) Move Ellen Swallow Richards Residence on top of its current redirect Ellen Swallow Richards House.

Ellen Swallow Richards House is the NRHP name
House is more usual
I checked with User:Swampyank who created both and he/she is OK with it.

B) Approve me for AWB on Commons -- I'm already using it on Wikipedia [14] (Impatient aren't I?)

C) Share with me any list you might have of Commons categories that I ought to look at when uploading. I've already noted your changes to the First Church, Jamaica Plain images. Don't bother to make them state specific, just a quick list will be fine.

Thanks, . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 16:43, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Sapphawitthayakhom School

Talk:Sapphawitthayakhom School shows you deleted it in July 2009 as a talk page of a non-existent page. There was no previous versio of Sapphawitthayakhom School. Can you review the deleted version of this page and see if there is anything relevant to the current talk page worth merging in, such as a banner or an importance-rating on a wikiproject? Thanks.

By the way, I hope you enjoy/enjoyed your vacation. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 23:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving! I am thankful for you and your contributions here! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I had a very nice and blessed Thanksgiving - much to be thankful for. Enjoy your time in the Keystrone state! Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wood County, Ohio demographic maps by worldenc

Could you please review the discussion here and let me know what you think about these demographic maps that were added and reverted? I don't see the problem in them - they add a nice touch for research. However, there are some split sides. How do you feel? Westonjoe (talk) 02:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]