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Remove Wilmington, Delaware

Wilmington is a suburb of Philadelphia in the Delaware Valley. There doesn't seem to be a lot that makes the city vital in its own right other than being the largest city in Delaware, and since Delaware is the sixth least populous state, I think it is fine to have Delaware with no cities on the list. Interstellarity (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'd remove Wilmington but keep Dover, Delaware. There's a bit of novelty about POTUS living there for quite awhile but not a whole helluvalot else. pbp 19:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not very famous, US sysbias. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per above --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. There are many states' largest cities that I would cut first, and Philly has a metro area of over 6 million, so a satellite city for it is fine imho. OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 20:45, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: Do you have any ideas on what cities you think should go before this one? I’d be fine not listing at least city in every state especially with small populations. Obviously, the states with larger populations like California, Texas, Florida, and New York have more cities on the list. Ones I have in mind that could be cut would be Cheyenne, WY, Burlington, VT, Portland, ME, Charleston, WV, Trenton, NJ, Bismarck, ND, Carson City, NV, Olympia, WA. I feel like a lot of these were listed just because they were the capital or largest city of their respective state. I’m interested in your thoughts. What do you think? Interstellarity (talk) 01:19, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The U.S. is significant enough to have at least one city per state, similarly to Indian states (aside from AP and Meghalaya), Chinese province-level divisions, Brazilian federative units, etc. The first U.S. city changes I'd make would be to remove Bismarck, Carson City, and possibly Santa Fe, to add Allentown, Augusta, and Greenville, to swap the Chicago Loop with Aurora, and to swap Brownsville with McAllen. OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 01:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I am not in favor of removing all cities from any state.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
  1. We are 22 below quota in Cities, and it's not blatantly obvious that this shouldn't be here. I would probably vote neutral on the following, but if we're nominating this, we might as well also nominate Cheyenne, Wyoming  5 and Burlington, Vermont  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Colonia del Sacramento

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Added 4-2. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The oldest Uruguayan city, founded by the Portuguese, stands as a testament to a rich history. Throughout the years, it was controlled by Portugal, Spain, the Federal League, Brazil, and ultimately, Uruguay, due to its strategic placement near the Rio de la Plata, becoming an important international trade post. Its old town was recognized as a UNESCO World Heritage site. The Blue Rider 23:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Most certainly more vital than Salto, Uruguay  5. The Blue Rider 23:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Has a significant amount of historical importance and is a UNESCO World Heritage Site. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:27, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Relevant pick from Uruguay. SnowFire (talk) 14:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. With Uruguay's low population, I don't see it being on par with e.g. Goiânia  5 unless we drastically increase the quota of Level 5. OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 02:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. Almost on par with Salto, Uruguay  5 and above the larger Ciudad de la Costa in terms of vitality, but maybe a little bit short.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:35, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
  • Oh well, hopefully people won't be hyperfixated on demographics. The Blue Rider 02:27, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @QuicoleJR: This was opened after the fifth of January and requires four support votes to pass. Vileplume (talk) 18:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry about that, I forgot about that rule change. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add major Polish uprisings from Polish-Russian-German history

Countering sys bias a bit. Major Eastern Europe history stuff and key events in Polish history. The concept of uprisings in Polish history is an important part of the modern Polish historical identity because of the following four key events. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Kościuszko Uprising  5

41 interwikis, 186 daily page views. The first of the series of Polish uprising against Russia/Germany that defined the period of Polish history for 123 years (period of Partitions of Poland  4. Stuff that all people in Poland know about, basic element of modern patriotic education and therefore Polish historical identity. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems important to European and Polish history. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Polish uprisings are crucial for the entire region.Marcelus (talk) 19:57, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add November Uprising

43 interwikis, 307 daily page views. The second major uprising (see above). Stuff that all people in Poland know about, yadda yadda. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Polish uprisings are crucial for the entire region.Marcelus (talk) 19:57, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add January Uprising

42 interwikis, 329 daily page views. The third major uprising (see above). Stuff that all people in Poland know about, yadda yadda. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Polish uprisings are crucial for the entire region. Especially 1863 Marcelus (talk) 19:57, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Warsaw Uprising  5

52 interwikis, 1215 daily page views. The fourth major uprising (see above); this one is from WW2. Stuff that all people in Poland know about, yadda yadda. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Polish uprisings are crucial for the entire region. One of the biggest battles by the underground army during WW2. Marcelus (talk) 19:57, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not sure about the others, but this should definitely be on here. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Warsaw Ghetto Uprising  5

49 interwikis, ~850 daily page views. While this one is somewhat less famous in Poland, it is perhaps more famous internationally (although pageviews don't support this) and also is an important part of the modern Jewish history as well as the Holocaust history. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Polish uprisings are crucial for the entire region. Biggest Jewish act of resistance during the Holocaust. Marcelus (talk) 19:57, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Biggest Jewish uprising against the Holocaust. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Russian cities: swap Biysk and Kyzyl for Tula and Kursk  5

Siberia is massively overrepresented and Central Russia is massively underrepresented. The Siberian cities I’ve proposed for removal are significantly smaller than the Central Russian cities I’ve proposed for addition. OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support all
  1. As nom. OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per statement above. I'd also support a replacement of Bratsk with either Salekhard or Novy Urengoy, with a slight preference for Salekhard, relatively to its importance as a logistic and administrative hub for the Ob-Ienissei delta. Larrayal (talk) 13:49, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the top five Ural cities should do, with Yekaterinburg  4 and Chelyabinsk  4 at V4 and Tyumen  5, Magnitogorsk  5, and Surgut  5 at V5. As for the population, NU is hardly over 100k, and Salekhard has approximately half its population. I’d rather add the Gulf of Ob, as this is a sparsely populated area of Russia and there are only three Russian arctic cities of over 50k (Murmansk  5, Norilsk  5, and Vorkuta). OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 15:16, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Personally, I'd swap Bratsk  5 out for Novokuznetsk, as I see the latter as more vital than Kemerovo  5. Vileplume (talk) 22:50, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all
Neutral on all
Mixed
  • Support removing Kyzyl, and the additions of Tula and Kursk. Biysk seems vital enough, so I wouldn't be removing it (especially as we are under quota in cities) --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
  • A lot of Siberian cities are important because they are the hubs of oil and natural production and the goods are exported through their ports. The Blue Rider 00:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They are not as major oil and natural gas hubs as say, Surgut  5. Vileplume (talk) 22:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

US city changes

Just solving some bias towards state capitals, extreme underrepresentation in specific U.S. states, and the absence of significantly-sized metropolitan areas. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Bismarck, North Dakota or swap with Duluth, Minnesota

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Not removed 3-0, not swapped 3-2. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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North Dakota has a population of under 800k and does not need a second city. Meanwhile, Minnesota only has the Twin Cities and this is its next-largest metropolitan area. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support swap as nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support remove --Makkool (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose Duluth per discussion closed on January 16. Oppose Bismarck as a non-trivial state capital.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:55, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose swap with Duluth per prior discussion --Makkool (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
  1. Was going to support a swap but Bismarck has 116 interwikis??? They must be doing something right. But I also do like adding Duluth which is a regional economic power in the Great Lakes area. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Eh, it only has that many interwikis for being a state capital. Montpelier, Vermont has a similar number. Vileplume (talk) 13:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh didn't notice that. I support swap then. Aurangzebra (talk) 02:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Duluth was removed barely 10 days ago. Totalibe (talk) 15:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair but if Vileplume and I had noticed that thread and voted, it probably wouldn't have passed. Up to Vileplume if they want to withdraw. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh never mind, that thread was before the rule change. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Carson City, Nevada

PASSED
Removed 4-1. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 06:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Metro area and county are coextensive with the city, which is at ~58k. This is a state of 3.1 million and 3 cities we're talking about. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. J947 ‡ edits 02:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. definitely. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. pbp 02:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you give the reasoning behind your oppose? Vileplume (talk) 02:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sold on the "this State needs more, this state needs less" line of argument. I also think the Carson city-Virginia City area is historically significant pbp 14:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
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Remove Santa Fe, New Mexico

Withdrawn by nom. Vileplume (talk) 02:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New Mexico has a population of 2.1 million, and 43.6% of that is concentrated in the Albuquerque metropolitan area. Only thing it has going for it is being the oldest state capital. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Weak support as nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Been a capital for well over 300 years. More to notability than just population pbp 02:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose per pbp. J947 ‡ edits 02:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
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Add Augusta, Georgia

Georgia has a population of 11 million and yet has only two cities listed, the same number as Alaska, one of under three-quarters of a million. Metro population of 624k, certainly enough for V5. I'd also add Columbus. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Augusta, though I would oppose Columbus if it were proposed because its metro population is significantly smaller than both Augusta and Savannah. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Allentown, Pennsylvania

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Not added 1-4. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pennsylvania has a population of 13 million, great historical importance, is itself listed at V4, and yet has only three cities listed, the same number as Connecticut, one of only 3.6 million. Metro population of 871k, certainly enough for V5. This is also the largest city in northern Pennsylvania. In addition to this, I'd also consider adding Reading. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. More vital than Harrisburg imho. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Allentown was removed barely 10 days ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totalibe (talk • contribs) 26 January 2024 (UTC)
  2. Per prior discussion. Consensus could change at some point, but I think it's best to wait a bit. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Totalibe-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per prior discussion --Makkool (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Greenville, South Carolina

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Not added 1-3. feminist🚰 (talk) 01:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Metro area quickly approaching one million. South Carolina's population is high enough for a third city, imho. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. All it's got going for it is that its metro area got big in the last 20-30 years. Not as notable as Santa Fe pbp 02:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak Oppose. Potentially vital but not the first Southern city I would add after Augusta. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not as vital as some other Southern cities and (particularly) not as vital as some US regions I would add. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 03:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
  1. An alternative addition is Upstate South Carolina, which basically corresponds to Greenville’s CSA and is significantly larger than Greenville’s city proper or its urban area. Vileplume (talk) 14:20, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That could be a good solution, but I'm still not sure this region is as vital as some that are not yet listed. For example, I was thinking about the Fort Lauderdale discussion above and wondering whether including South Florida would be a good way of including a wider area. Although, consensus so far is in favor of keeping Fort Lauderdale which would make such an addition moot. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Brownsville, Texas with McAllen, Texas

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Not swapped 2-3. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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McAllen's metro area is quickly approaching 900k. However, it is too close to Brownsville, so I've put it up for removal. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support addition, weak support removal as nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support addition; support removal. J947 ‡ edits 02:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose addition, oppose removal. Population isn't everything. Doesn't seem to be anything notable about McAllen besides the fact that it's the 56th largest MSA in the United States. At least Brownsville seems to have a historic legacy. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. O per Aurangzebra-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose per above --Makkool (talk) 12:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

They're both notably large but they're also both dependent on their bigger Mexican neighbours: Matamoros, Tamaulipas  5 and Reynosa  5 respectively (though McAllen looks to be significantly less dependent). J947 ‡ edits 02:44, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Swap Chicago Loop with Aurora, Illinois

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Not swapped 3-3. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Of all cities to have their central business district listed, why Chicago? Aurora is its largest satellite city, so I've put that up for addition. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support removal. The Blue Rider 01:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support removal pbp 02:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not a lot of CBDs have the Chicago Board of Trade and Chicago Mercantile Exchange type institutions. Not even Midtown Manhattan has such important global institutions. They have Wall Street  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:33, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per Tony. Also, it doubles as a sort of open-air museum: it is well-known for its public sculptures by vital artists such as Pablo Picasso  3, Joan Miró  4, Alexander Calder  5, and Marc Chagall  4. Probably one of the only places in the world where you can see works by this many iconic artists for free outdoors in a confined area. 07:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurangzebra (talk • contribs) -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Tony. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
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Remove Hachinohe  5

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Not removed 2-2. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relatively low population compared to other Japanese cities (never exceeded 250k) and is neither the capital nor the largest city of its prefecture.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 08:23, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Just a minor town in Japan. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Seems to have a decent amount of historical and economic importance. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per QuicoleJR --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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Add La Défense

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Not added 3-2. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Europe's largest purpose-built business district, and a major part of Paris  3.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 14:29, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:26, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. If we list suburbs and boroughs of US cities then La Défense definitely deserves a place in this list. The Blue Rider 23:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Besides being the largest CBD in Europe, not much here that makes it vital. Run-of-the-mill CBD with none of the historical relevance of other candidates. We are already way over-quota on the Cities section so if we want to start listing districts/neighborhoods/areas, it really needs to stand out (like Wall Street  5). Anecdotally, I've been here twice before and there's not much going on: people come in to work and then leave for other neighborhoods after the work day is over. Compare this to the Chicago Loop  5 which also serves as the iconic downtown area for Chicago. Aurangzebra (talk) 02:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would prefer to remove some cities, actually. The question is less "does this non-city place really stand out" and more "is this non-city place more important than [insert city currently listed at VA5]" - if the latter is true, we should remove the city and add the non-city place. We list 43 cities from Metropolitan France, an area with 65.8M population, and I think we can trim some cities from that list. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 08:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that's a fair viewpoint and in general, I don't think I would mind replacing cities with more iconic districts/neighborhoods etc. But in this case, I just don't think La Défense, a CBD that's only about 45 years old and doesn't really have anything particularly special about it, is a good replacement for any of these French cities, literally all of whom have centuries of history and culture behind them. Aurangzebra (talk) 10:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose per Aurangzebra. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 16:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Canary Wharf

FAILED
Not added 1-2. 4 participants in discussion. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A leading international financial centre, and one of the two central business districts of London  3.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 14:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think City of London  5 is sufficient to represent London's CBD, especially with City of Westminster  5 also being included. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm I just checked page views, City of Westminster and Canary Wharf receive basically the same number of views, whereas Westminster (not listed at VA5) has somewhat fewer and La Défense has a lot fewer (granted probably because this is the English Wikipedia). There is no geographic overlap between the City of London and Canary Wharf, if that makes any difference. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 15:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For comparison purposes (in terms of how many people are looking things up) pageviews of Westminster and City Of should probably be added together. Totalibe (talk) 15:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Feminist: perhaps discuss swapping City of Westminster for Westminster? pbp 14:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not the first district of London that I'd add pbp 14:46, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Alternate proposal: add London Docklands

More expansive region of Greater London that includes Canary Wharf. Addresses current use as financial center and past use as shipping hub. pbp 14:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. nom pbp 14:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not convinced London needs more than two listings. Could potentially support a swap. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Greenwich

Last comment 24 days ago. Failed 2-3. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:00, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The people of this town picked where the Prime Meridian went and what Universal Time is pbp 14:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. nom pbp 14:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Although I don't really understand what the meaning of a town is in this sense.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Prime meridian  4 and Greenwich Mean Time  5 are both listed, and I'm not seeing much notability for this place beyond that. Also worth noting that Greenwich is technically a part of London  3. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Trivial otherwise, per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per presidentman Aurangzebra (talk) 05:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Greenwich (technically the borough Royal Borough of Greenwich not the town) has applied to have city status more than once, but has never received it, most recently locations such as Wrexham and Milton Keynes did get city status meaning whoever makes that decision didn't think Greenwich was important enough, I believe it being a suburb of London and not being independent as such was a factor. Population and economically wise, Greenwich is less significant than other London suburbs. The London Plan for example highlights towns/suburbs Bromley and Croydon as the most important in southeast London. Other places smaller than Bromley like Lewisham, Catford, Eltham, Bexleyheath and Orpington are rated more significant than Greenwich according to the London Plan which only places it among places like Sidcup, Lee Green and Welling. Might be a bit harsh, culturally it feels more important having World Heritage Sites contained within it. Without The Prime Meridian and GMT already listed, there's a few museums linked to time or maritime, but perhaps not really much in the way of international vitalness separate from London.  Carlwev  15:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove Whitehorse and Yellowknife

PARTIALLY PASSED
Whitehorse not removed 4-4, Yellowknife removed 7-0. Makkool (talk) 08:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If we’re cutting U.S. state capitals, we can certainly cut these as well. Metro populations of 31.9k and 20.3k respectively. The removal of Anadyr (town) passed 5-0, so I think these can pass as well. Vileplume (talk) 18:09, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 18:09, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. More places with very regional importance again. But really, we just need to cut quota by a lot. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Yellowknife Aurangzebra (talk) 21:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Yellowknife, oppose Whitehorse. feminist🚰 (talk) 01:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support Yellowknife as a city with little importance outside of being a capital, oppose Whitehorse as the largest city in Northern Canada and containing nearly 3/4 of the entire population of Yukon. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support both --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Whitehorse the largest city in Northern Canada. I would rather remove the much smaller Iqaluit.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @TonyTheTiger: Iqaluit has been nominated separately above pbp 19:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose Whitehorse. We should have at least one representative from Northern Canada. The Arctic portions of Canada will obviously have low populations due to the extreme weather conditions but it is still a significant region in the history of Canada (think Klondike Gold Rush  5). Of the two choices, Whitehorse is more populated and has more relevance to vital events in Canadian history. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. Neutral on Yellowknife-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Fredericton out for Moncton

Moncton's been NB's largest city since before V5 existed. I think Fredericton would be the most appropriate article to swap out since we only have 42 US state capitals and we can cut a Canadian provincial capital. Canada also looks a bit overrepresented at V5 with 22 cities and a population of 39 million. Vileplume (talk) 02:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 02:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 13:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. makes sense Aurangzebra (talk) 21:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose removal, support addition - We are under quota in Cities and Fredericton seems important in its own right (as the cultural, educational and administrative center of the province). --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    New Brunswick has a population of under 900k, and Saint John is much more important than Fredericton, so it and Moncton should be NB’s two representatives at V5. Vileplume (talk) 13:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't doubt that Saint John is important too. Why can't we have three cities for New Brunswick? -Makkool (talk) 14:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Q3 2023 population ~843k. Quebec’s three largest cities are all larger than any of NB’s, yet Sherbrooke is not V5. Vileplume (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Swap Spectrum Range with Mount Edziza volcanic complex

I notice the Spectrum Range is listed as a level-5 vital article. Would it make sense to replace it with the Mount Edziza volcanic complex since that is a more important subject the Spectrum Range is a part of? I don't think the Spectrum Range has more significance than the other major volcanoes of this complex, although I do think it should have a high-quality article along with Mount Edziza. Volcanoguy 03:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as nominator. Volcanoguy 17:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support removal only, I don't see either as particuarly vital (<10 interwikis each). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    An article having less than 10 interwiki links doesn't necessarily mean they're not vital. That just means the article subject is not particularly well-known. Something vital doesn't have to be well-known. Volcanoguy 18:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support swap - makes sense Totalibe (talk) 23:51, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support swap Aurangzebra (talk) 00:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support add, not swap. Don't see why Spectrum Range couldn't stay along the other article. We are still under quota in Physical geography. --Makkool (talk) 20:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Guadalupe, Nuevo León, Ciudad López Mateos and Tonalá, Jalisco. Add Oaxaca City

PASSED
Swapped 4-0. Makkool (talk) 13:18, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Mexican cities list overrepresents localities within its largest three metro areas. These cities have grown rapidly in the past few decades, but I hardly see what makes them vital. On the other hand, Oaxaca is a city of 700,000 with a pretty rich indigenous and colonial history and has become a major tourist hub in recent years.

Support
  1. Support as nom. :Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. The cities nominated for removal are suburbs, while Oaxaca is an important city in its own right. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 10:47, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. good nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 14:29, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion
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Add St. Moritz

The other two cities (Innsbruck  5 and Lake Placid, New York  5 ) that have twice hosted the Winter Olympics are listed.

Support
  1. Support as nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 10:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Many cities that have hosted the Winter Olympics are relatively minor, even nationally or subnationally in the case of LP. Vileplume (talk) 00:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. What's the obssession to include cities just because they hosted the Winter Olympics? The Blue Rider 22:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Seems to be the only important reason to list it, which isn't enough --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Primate city

A general city-related topic that seems vital. Would fit well next to capital city. --Makkool (talk) 17:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Makkool (talk) 17:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Swap Irish Republican Army (1922–1969)  5 for Provisional Irish Republican Army

So, under The Troubles  4, Irish Republican Army (1922–1969)  5 is listed alongside Ulster Volunteer Force  5, presumably to represent the largest Republican and Loyalist paramilitaries respectively. However, IRA (1922-1969) is actually the wrong one to list here, as the Troubles began in the late 1960s, shortly before the IRA split into the Provisional Irish Republican Army (which is what most people today think of when you use the term "IRA" in a modern context, and remained active until the end of the Troubles in the late 1990s) and the Official IRA, which went on indefinite ceasefire only around two and a half years after the split. The 1922-69 IRA is only really relevant as far as the Irish Civil War  5 is concerned (i.e. the early 1920s), and in between those two periods of time its activity was more sporadic.

Support
  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 20:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add decades of the 19th century

I don't know if this will be a popular opinion, but we could possibly discuss whether to extend the decades we list to the 19th century since we now list all the decades of the 20th and 21st century. We don't have to include all the decades, just the ones that are important. Interstellarity (talk) 01:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
Oppose
  1. Vileplume (talk) 17:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Galveston, Texas

City where Juneteenth was founded and struck by a major hurricane are reasons for its historical importance. Interstellarity (talk) 02:02, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 02:02, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support; in addition to this, I think it would be reasonable to list a satellite city of the five largest metropolitan areas of the United States (all over 7mil). Vileplume (talk) 02:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Support add. Maybe consider a swap with Brownsville, Texas  5? Aurangzebra (talk) 06:47, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I already proposed a swap with McAllen. Vileplume (talk) 15:01, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yea but I voted Oppose on that one because I do not believe McAllen warrants a VA5. I don't think McAllen is notable to anyone outside Texas. But I agree with you that Brownsville is a pretty tenuous VA5 so if we are looking to replace it with another Texas city, Galveston is a better candidate. More VA5-worthy historical events, in the global news every decade or so when a major hurricane hits, and has a fairly significant port. More interwikis than McAllen as well. Also, speaking anecdotally, I live in the US and consider myself pretty well-versed in geography and I had not heard of McAllen before that discussion above whereas I am familiar with Galveston. Aurangzebra (talk) 10:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. Very historically important. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support per nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Pop 50k, regional importance for US only. "Historically important" is not a very serious argument for anything related to modern US history compared to other cities worldwide which have 5-20x as much history. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Doesn't ring important enough for me --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak oppose per above. Vileplume (talk) 13:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. The city is definitely historically important. Texas is already well-represented though. I think I need more than just "historical importance" to convince me to support. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Eh, Texas has a population over 30 million and is significantly underrepresented compared to California. One city I was considering adding was Lubbock. Vileplume (talk) 19:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would probably support Lubbock over Galveston FWIW. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I know Lubbock is more populated than Galveston but besides that, why do you both consider Lubbock more vital? All I can think is that it is the home of Texas Tech, which is only significant if you're a fan of American college sports. Aurangzebra (talk) 10:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For one, there's geographic diversity. Lubbock is the largest city in northern Texas. All of our current listings are from southern or eastern Texas. Second, Texas Tech is a major school within the state. Finally, Galveston is today really a suburb of Houston. We typically don't list suburbs of major cities. (See, for example, the recent removal of Arlington, Texas). Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:17, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's fine to list suburbs if they have some impact or legacy independent of their parent city. This seems to be our implicit policy: off the top of my head, I know we list suburbs Mesa, Arizona  5 and Virginia Beach, Virginia  5. Second, just having a major school in the state isn't a sufficient criteria. We don't list places like Palo Alto, California (home of Stanford University and focal point of Silicon Valley) or Ann Arbor, Michigan (home of University of Michigan) which are arguably more notable as evidenced by their history, interwiki count, and pageviews. I do agree that northern Texas is a region significant enough to warrant one representative but I'm not even sure Lubbock is the best option; Amarillo, Texas has a similarly sized MSA while having more impact on national affairs and more interwikis. Aurangzebra (talk) 22:04, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Arizona's population accounts for 3-4 cities and Hampton Roads does not have a singular core city. Adding Palo Alto might actually be a good idea, with its status as a global city, albeit at the sufficiency tier. As someone who lived in Washtenaw County for much of my life, Ann Arbor is vital, but not as vital as Flint, which would solve the state's underrepresentation. Vileplume (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yea that makes sense. I think there was recently a discussion about Flint? I forgot what the verdict was. Aurangzebra (talk) 23:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Flint water crisis was removed 3-2. Vileplume (talk) 23:50, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Mobile, Alabama

Alabama's second-largest city and a major port on the Gulf Coast (twelfth-largest in the U.S.). It was also a key center of French colonization and played a major role in the Civil War.

Support
  1. As nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 10:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support, the second largest city warrants a place --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    City proper is not the best metric. In metro population, it’s Birmingham, Huntsville, Mobile, and Montgomery. Vileplume (talk) 13:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Too many US cities of regional importance only. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. This is a V5-ish city of importance, but Alabama only has a population of 5 million inhabitants and 4 major cities, so I'd only support this if we removed Montgomery or Tuskegee. Sarasota is also over twice as large and not listed. Vileplume (talk) 17:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I considered proposing a swap, but both Montgomery and Tuskegee were proposed for removal recently and kept with strong opposition to removing. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:02, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Some topics to add under Urban studies and planning

These are all major concepts from Outline of urban planning.

Add Spatial planning  5

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 06:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yes, they are. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:56, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Urbanism  5

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 06:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:56, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Transportation planning  5

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 06:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:56, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Historic preservation  5

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 06:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:22, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. pbp 12:07, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Public toilet

A common fixture in cities worldwide, and increasing in importance.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 10:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. In Technology. Vileplume (talk) 13:25, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely vital, but @Feminist: why is this under Cities? QuicoleJR (talk) 13:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Because the “public” part is what differentiates the topic from the toilet apparatus itself, I see this as an urban studies and planning topic, hence under Cities. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 17:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Of course. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:26, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:40, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support Gizza (talk) 01:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add British Hong Kong

We list Handover of Hong Kong  5 and we just added Portuguese Macau  5. If we list Portuguese Macau, we should list British Hong Kong as well. British Hong Kong marked the end of the British Empire  3, just as Portuguese Macau marked the end of the Portuguese Empire  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 04:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, oppose removal of handover given that we are below quota in the History section. feminist🚰 (talk) 06:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap with the handover article. The Blue Rider 23:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agreed. Not too hot on removing handover, but if we are over quota, weak support for swap. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:27, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove El Hierro  5 and La Gomera  5

These two are the smallest and least-populous of the seven Canary Islands.

Support
  1. Remove both, as nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 07:41, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agreed, and would likely consider removal of few more; looking at the list, some are famous enough for V5, sure, but not all. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support both: Why not, as we did remove some of the least populated Hawaiian islands. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Algarve

Although Lisbon surpasses the Algarve in terms of tourism revenue, the Algarve is still, overall, considered to be the biggest and most important Portuguese tourist region, having received an estimated total of 4.2 million tourists in 2017.

Support
  1. As nominator. It's a tossup between this and Faro, Portugal for me; page views for both are similar, with a slight edge for Algarve. feminist🚰 (talk) 14:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Certainly more vital than many of the random subdivisions we have. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Would list this over Faro. Vileplume (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Recently it has been pretty touristic but is it going to held in the long-term? Not a vital region, in my opinion. The Blue Rider 21:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The region was also historically a separate kingdom, and it maintains a distinct regional identity apart from the wider Portuguese one. I would much rather have broader regions like the Algarve than political entities like first-level subdivisions that could change. Presidentman talk ·contribs (Talkback) 16:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    An insignificant kingdom that was not separate of the Kingdom of Portugal, so insignificant that portuguese people don't even study it at school. It does not maintain a distinct identity, Portugal is pretty homogenous culturally. The Blue Rider 20:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per Blue Rider --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Street furniture

Parent topic to a ton of vital urban planning and everyday life stuff. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. 24 interwikis. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:08, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. We see it in abundance everywhere, at least in western countries. The Blue Rider 22:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose

Discuss

Move Galicia (Eastern Europe)  5, Pomerania  5, and Silesia  5 from History to Geography

PASSED
Moved 5-0. Makkool (talk) 12:17, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not sure why these are all classified as history. These were all traditionally areas that had some form of political independence, yet they are now divided between multiple countries. All 3 articles also discuss these regions as being relevant today rather than purely historical geographic features.

Support
  1. As nom Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, as the historical region of Banat  5 is already listed in Geography, so these three could be as well. --Makkool (talk) 20:17, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I believe I suggested this (without a vote) in my review of history section a few weeks (months?) ago already, pointing out inconsistency. See also proposals to add history of those regions instead; see #History additions (here, ping User:Presidentman and User:Makkool as I don't believe you voted on those still open but older proposals - just follow the link above if you have time). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume (talk) 02:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Add Inca Civil War

Very important to the History of Peru  4 as a major cause of the fall of the Inca Empire  3. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Peru.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It's good to have a few articles on pre-Columbian history that go beyond ethnicities and states. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support good find. Gizza (talk) 01:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Iranian islands

Iran currently has seven islands on the vital list, and I found three that don't seem to make the list for vitality.

Remove Abadan Island

Only important for having the city of Abadan, Iran  5, which is not important enough to warrant listing the island.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Faror Island

Largely uninhabited, and no indication of importance.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Ommolkorm Island

Uninhabited with zero indication of why it is important. Does not even seem to have minor regional importance.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Mesa, Arizona  5 with Flagstaff, Arizona

Why is Mesa on here? I know it’s the third largest city in Arizona, but it’s just a suburb of Phoenix. If we need another city for Arizona, I would suggest switching it out for Flagstaff. It’s a major tourist stop due to its proximity to the Grand Canyon and its history involving Route 66. Granted, its population is less than 100,000, so I understand if you guys just want to drop Mesa.

Swap
  1. As nom. SailorGardevoir (talk) 23:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove only
Add only
Oppose
  1. Arizona should probably have 3 cities, Mesa is the country’s largest satellite city, and Flagstaff is not Arizona’s third largest metropolitan area, that title going to Prescott, which is below 250k. Vileplume (talk) 00:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely notable as America's largest suburb. Asterisk on this but it may also be the world's largest suburb (suburb being roughly defined as a satellite city with minimal urban elements and characterized by low-density urban sprawl) so for that reason, it is also notable for urban planning. Aurangzebra (talk) 02:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Contemporary history additions

I know there's a disproportionate amount of Eastern European topics, but I think these still warrant an addition. Feel free to balance these by suggesting something to add for Western Europe.

Add Orange Revolution  5

The Orange Revolution was a major point in modern Ukraine's history distancing them further from Russia.

Support
  1. As nom. --Makkool (talk) 20:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems quite important. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:09, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume (talk) 02:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Greek government-debt crisis  5

A major event affecting the whole economy of Europe.

Support
  1. As nom. --Makkool (talk) 20:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong support over the country's politics. Vileplume (talk) 21:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:09, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. Is it that important? I am not sure. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Israel–Hamas war

It's already one of the deadliest, bitterest conflicts of the 21st century. It has received enormous international attention, but unfortunately not enough of a coordinated response to stop it. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very major war. @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: I feel like recentism is being fought a little too hard here, since it has already beaten some events we do list in terms of impact and death count. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:21, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. This is already much more impactful than the already listed 2014 Gaza War  5 Iostn (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I would support a swap with 2014 Gaza War  5. Interstellarity (talk) 00:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support per above. J947 ‡ edits 20:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Swap with 2014 Gaza War. Vileplume (talk) 09:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  9. The odds in few years or decadees it will be declared insiginificant are very low. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Swap with 2014 Gaza War. Gizza (talk) 01:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose

WP:TOOSOON. I may change my mind in a month or two, but for now, I'll oppose. Vileplume (talk) 20:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. pbp 16:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak oppose not a major war by most measures. I want to wait to see which impact it will in the international relations. The Blue Rider 16:40, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak oppose Maybe still WP:TOOSOON-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Volcanic winter of 536

"the most severe and protracted episode of climatic cooling in the Northern Hemisphere in the last 2,000 years."

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Could probably make V4. Vileplume (talk) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Good anti-recentist catch.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add 1883 eruption of Krakatoa

One of the most destructive and arguably one of the most well-known volcanic eruptions of all time.

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The eruption that destroyed nearly the entire island of Krakatoa is pretty important. Surprised it wasn't listed yet. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Famous historical eruption.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. SailorGardevoir (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume (talk) 02:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Religious violence in India

A very overlooked yet very costly intermittent conflict

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. If it was in US, it would be V4 already. Sigh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:21, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:30, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap Telegramgate  5 for 2019–2022 Chilean protests

Latter was much more impactful and important for Chile than the former was for Puerto Rico.

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:56, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:33, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Desegregation busing

I am not sure that this is a notable enough subtopic of Desegregation in the United States  5, and the Civil rights movement  4 already has more than ten other subtopics on the list. Only 10 interwikis, and the Civil Rights Movement WikiProject only rates it Mid-Importance.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Probably too niche/specific for this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:21, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove History of Manitoba, History of New Brunswick, History of Newfoundland and Labrador  5, History of Nova Scotia, and History of Saskatchewan

These provinces all have populations of under 2 million. More Canadian bias to be cut. Vileplume (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support all
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mixed
  1. Oppose History of Newfoundland because it was a seperate entity pbp 23:49, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose History of Newfoundland per pbp. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support all except History of Newfoundland, which I oppose per pbp. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose history of Newfoundland, support the rest. Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose history of Newfoundland, support the rest. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all
Neutral on all
Discussion
  • @Purplebackpack89 and Presidentman: Your vote supports all of the removals except Newfoundland, correct? QuicoleJR (talk) 13:53, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, my vote is neutral on the ones I didn't vote on pbp 14:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You were the nominator of the removals of the histories of U.S. states of under 2 million. What’s the difference? Canada is not significantly more historically important. Vileplume (talk) 14:23, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Neutral for me as well. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Olympia, Washington  5

Think about it this way; if it weren't a state capital, would we list it at this level? This is not even the third largest metro area in Washington; the Tri-city area is. Pierce County has triple Thurston County's population, so Tacoma can probably stay over this one. It does have enough historical importance for an article, but that article has no interwikis and 10 daily page views. Vileplume (talk) 22:16, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 22:16, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom, but I think another Washington city should take its place. Maybe Everett? - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:54, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In no universe is Seattle large enough for two satellite cities. Vileplume (talk) 15:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Bellingham could be a good option as well if we're concerned about having too many Seattle suburbs. I just think Washington is a large enough state to justify having four cities at this level. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Am quite certain that Everett is a) not VA5 level, nor b) as vital as Olympia pbp 16:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Everett is twice as populous, and the Boeing Everett Factory is one of the most important factories in the world. Definitely more vital than Olympia. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Metro Seattle definitely doesn’t deserve a third representative more than Chicagoland or the Metroplex. Vileplume (talk) 01:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. --Makkool (talk) 12:37, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. If it wasn't a state capital, we wouldn't list it. It IS a state capital pbp 23:50, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And we only list 41 state capitals. Vileplume (talk) 23:51, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How many states as large as Washington state don't have there capitals listed? How many state capitals as large as Olympia aren't listed? The state capitals we are missing are ones like Pierre and Montpelier that are tiny themselves or in tiny states pbp 14:12, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Meh, weak oppose per purplebackpack89. The Blue Rider 14:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak oppose per everyone above. We are surprisingly below quota for Cities so I don't think we need to be in a rush to remove borderline cases like these. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Flint, Michigan or Ann Arbor, Michigan

My home state of Michigan could use another city. Although not quite to the degree of Georgia or Pennsylvania, Michigan is one of the most underrepresented states. It has a population of around 10 million, a tad bit smaller than NC, which has 6. Both cities I nominated have comparable urban and metro area populations. Ann Arbor is a university city (University of Michigan  5) and high tech hub, and Flint had a significant automobile industry, had some of the highest crime rates in the country, and faced the water crisis. I don't feel that one is more significant over the other. Count me neutral here. Vileplume (talk) 22:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support Flint as nom. Vileplume (talk) 22:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Flint per nom and considering UMich is already listed. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:13, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. No real reason has been provided for why Michigan needs another city. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:21, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Although not quite to the degree of Georgia or Pennsylvania, Michigan is one of the most underrepresented states. It has a population of around 10 million, a tad bit smaller than NC, which has 6. Vileplume (talk) 03:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per feminist --Makkool (talk) 12:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add 1906 San Francisco earthquake

I'm surprised that this wasn't listed yet. This earthquake and the subsequent fires destroyed over 80% of the city of San Francisco  4, and it was the deadliest earthquake in the history of the United States. 47 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Geology and Top-Importance by WikiProject Earthquakes and WikiProject California.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 04:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. That’s a bad omission. SailorGardevoir (talk) 19:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. pbp 03:43, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Per nom. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Vileplume (talk) 02:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Young Turk Revolution

Because this event actually greatly influenced Muslims in other countries, it is definitely vital at this level. RekishiEJ (talk) 17:29, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--RekishiEJ (talk) 02:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Another bad omission. SailorGardevoir (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I would support this just for the relevance to the Ottomans. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:30, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:12, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Vileplume (talk) 02:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add First Balkan War and Second Balkan War

Because Balkan Wars is now listed at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/4/History, it is logical to list these two sub-topics at the level 5 counterpart. RekishiEJ (talk) 17:39, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--RekishiEJ (talk) 02:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. SailorGardevoir (talk) 19:49, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makes sense. @RekishiEJ: You are supposed to add yourself to the Support section as the nominator. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:13, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Both are vital at this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Vileplume (talk) 02:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Gulf of Ob  5

The world's longest estuary deserves a place on this list. It has most certainly made a more significant global impact than most of the Arctic islands we list simply for being large by land area. Vileplume (talk) 01:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 01:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. J947 ‡ edits 03:28, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yeah, that makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support per nom. Gizza (talk) 01:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Ajanta Caves, Remove Ghar Parau

Quoting from the article: "Universally regarded as masterpieces of Buddhist religious art", a UNESCO heritage site. Some 70,000 views this past month and 77 interwikis.

I don't think the longest cave in Iran, a country not really well known for their caves is vital for this level. 3 interwikis, 71 views past month.

Support
  1. 115.188.119.62 (talk) 04:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. J947 ‡ edits 10:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support add, neutral on swap - the Ghar Palau article hasn't received attention of readers (or editors), but it still seems like a major landmark. --Makkool (talk) 14:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Just to note, these articles would be in different categories. Because Ajanta Caves is more known for its artworks, it should be in the Arts section. And Ghar Palau is a natual cave, so adding Ajanta Caves in a different section wouldn't affect the quota in Physical geography. --Makkool (talk) 14:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Apodaca, Chimalhuacán and Tlaquepaque. Add Cuernavaca

The proposed removals are medium-sized cities located within the metropolitan areas of Monterrey  4, Mexico City  3 and Guadalajara  4 respectively. Cuernavaca is the 16th largest metro area in a country of 130M, noted for its history, architecture, and festivals. It is where the Palace of Cortés is located, the setting of Under the Volcano.

Support
  1. Support as nom. :Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume (talk) 21:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion
  1. How many cities of over a million are we missing? Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 11:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Pogrom

An important concept in antisemitism and Jewish history.

Support
  1. :Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:43, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:26, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. J947 ‡ edits 06:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Very surprised this was missing. Good catch. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:31, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Vileplume (talk) 15:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add 1923 Great Kantō earthquake

I think this is at least as consequential as the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, currently voted 5-0. One of the most destructive earthquakes of the 20th century, along with its subsequent fires and tsunamis, resulted in at least 100,000 deaths and had significant socio-political implications for Japan. The article argues that its aftermath fostered Japan's alignment towards authoritarianism during the interwar period.

Support
  1. :Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:35, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm shocked that a single event with over 100K deaths isn't listed. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Japan and Top-Importance by WikiProject Earthquakes. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:08, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:43, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:28, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Why do we have anti-earthquake bias on the list? Vileplume (talk) 00:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove Prince of Wales Island (Nunavut)  5

Uninhabited island listed only for being large, and 40th largest in the world and 10th largest in Canada is not very impressive. This archipelago already has roughly 12 listings, and this is the smallest of them.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume (talk) 12:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. A large island visible on most world maps and globes. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Makkool: Sure, it's big, but it has little to no importance outside of that. Nobody even lives on it. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not convinced that population is the only grounds for vitality. We list 446 islands, and it's easily among the most vital islands for Wikipedia in that range. --Makkool (talk) 14:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Alameda (island)

This island is only listed because it contains the city of Alameda, California, which we don't list, and it doesn't even contain the entire city! The article only has 1 interwiki.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This article has no place near the vital list. Vileplume (talk) 22:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. J947 ‡ edits 06:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:01, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:10, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Barbarian

A major concept in history, for better or worse.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 17:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Also in popculture. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:08, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume (talk) 22:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Goat Island (New York)

It's an uninhabited island whose main claim to fame is being in the middle of Niagara Falls  4. I'm not convinced that's enough to be vital at this level, especially when there are larger, populated, islands that are not listed.

Support
  1. As nom. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:16, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. US sysbias, unimportant location. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Somewhat important, but not enough for VA5. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:58, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Speaking of NY, I don't think Lake Placid, New York  5 belongs here. Wall Street  5 should also be swapped out for Financial District, Manhattan. Vileplume (talk) 17:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Plenty of more important islands worldwide that can be added. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Viceroyalty of New Granada

47 interwikis. Encompasses much of the colonial history of Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador and Panama.

Support
  1. As nominator.:Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 19:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume (talk) 22:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata

44 interwikis. Encompasses much of the colonial history of Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Bolivia and Paraguay.

Support
  1. As nominator.:Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:42, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 06:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 19:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume (talk) 22:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add New France

A major part of North American, and French colonial history. --Makkool (talk) 12:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Makkool (talk) 12:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Our coverage of North American colonization is too heavily tilted towards English colonization. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 19:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume (talk) 22:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Battle of Guilford Court House

The American Revolutionary War  4 could definitely use more than 3 battles when the Civil War has 16. This battle had major effects on the war, led to the Siege of Yorktown  5 which ended the war, became the first American Revolution battle to have its battlefield preserved by the National Park Service, and it even has a town in New Hampshire named after it!

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support as a swap with some Civil War battle, 16 is way too many. Oppose otherwise. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Which battle would you suggest removing? QuicoleJR (talk) 13:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Upper Silesian metropolitan area

Recently mentioned at VA4 by OhnoitsvileplumeXD as "of one of the largest agglomerations in the European Union." --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom (disclaimer: it is my home region). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vileplume (talk) 03:51, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We already have Katowice  5 and Ostrava  5. Is there anything about this metropolitan area that's noteworthy besides these two cities? We don't even list more notable agglomerations in Europe (Øresund Region has 4 times the number of interwikis and nearly double the daily pageviews) and in the world (Great Lakes megalopolis has a population more than 6x larger than Upper Silesia). The only urban agglomeration that we list that I can think of at all is Silicon Valley  4 but this is more so because of its fame and notability in tech as opposed to geographic features. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:31, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per Aurangzebra. We don’t even have Greater Tokyo on here. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:39, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Which, aside from Yamanashi Prefecture  5, is synonymous with the Kantō region  5. Vileplume (talk) 01:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Cape Barrow

This cape does not seem to have any indications of vitality. It has no historical importance, seemingly no biological importance, and little geographical importance.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:52, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 21:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Various history proposals

Add Soweto uprising

This was a major turning point in the history of apartheid, as it marks both the beginning of increased international isolation (including by Western countries) and internal unrest which was increasingly unmanageable in the 1980s (which was when the government made its first milquetoast attempts at reform).

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:13, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Why Soweto  5 is V5. Vileplume (talk) 02:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Negotiations to end apartheid in South Africa

The only thing I will say is that you could argue for 1994 South African general election to be listed instead (there don't even seem to be any individual elections listed interestingly) but this has broader scope.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Too specific. The Blue Rider 17:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't really see how this is "specific", given it encompasses most of the early 1990s in South Africa, and aside from the negotiation process itself it also refers both to a political transition and a specific period of internal conflict between rival factions that was quite distinct from the majority of apartheid (more on this is detailed in the article, but to give just one out of many examples, you had several high-profile attacks involving the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging). The ultimate success of a peaceful transition of power in spite of this is a big part of how Nelson Mandela  3 became one of the most revered political figures of the 20th century. Iostn (talk) 23:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. If Soweto uprising is added, I think that would be sufficient. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:14, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Presidentman. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per presidentman Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

To be clear, this article is essentially synonymous with "end of apartheid", or as close to an article as there is on that. The Soweto uprising was fourteen years before this specific period which lasted from 1990 to 1994. Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add 1960 Valdivia earthquake

Most powerful earthquake ever by recorded magnitude.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The WikiProjects see this as very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Is there a reason why we’re lacking in the infamous earthquake department?
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume (talk) 22:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Great Railroad Strike of 1877

One of the biggest labour revolts of the 19th century, that hasn't been surpassed often in scale.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add New Left

Important political movement to discuss in the context of the Counterculture of the 1960s  5 and Protests of 1968  5, including its influence since.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap 2016–2017 Zimbabwe protests  5 for Hyperinflation in Zimbabwe

Listing the protests leading up to the 2017 Zimbabwean coup d'état  5 (when they aren't that distinctive enough in their own right) feels rather redundant when they aren't super distintive in their own right, so swapping with another important Zimbabwean event.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 19:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:39, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Stolen Generations

Mentioned this before but I'd argue this is one of the most important listings for Australian in the 20th century.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose

Add Acadia

Possibly a sub-proposal to New France above, but this produced a distinct Francophone cultural/ethnic identity that persist to this day.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Anti-communist mass killings

This happened numerous times in the 20th century. We already list Dirty War  5, Indonesian mass killings of 1965–66  5, White Terror (Taiwan)  5 and White Terror (Spain)  5.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Belle Époque

Important concept in 19th century historiography.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. J947 ‡ edits 23:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap Prelude to the Russian invasion of Ukraine for War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine

I don't really see why the build-up to the invasion itself is vital as a separate article. The war crimes committed seem like a much more important topic to focus on.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support removal. The Blue Rider 17:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support removal Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Removal only. Per The Blue Rider. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support removal only per The Blue Rider. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support removal Vileplume (talk) 22:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose addition. Let's not make what is a smallish war by most measures overrepresented. The Blue Rider 17:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose addition per The Blue Rider. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Classic Maya collapse

Major phase in Mesoamerican history.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:10, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:47, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Good find. Gizza (talk) 22:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 09:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Optimates and populares

Major factions in the Roman Republic  4, important in political history in that they are often considered a precursor to modern political parties.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. J947 ‡ edits 05:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Historical negationism

Unfortuantly an ever-present issue in the study of history

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sadly, this is vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add 8888 Uprising

Major event in modern Burmese history, even if it only resulted in a new junta.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Myanmar, WikiProject Socialism, and WikiProject Human Rights. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap 2014 NPCSC Decision on Hong Kong for Hong Kong–Mainland China conflict

A broader article on this conflict is more important than the article on one specific political decision that was part of it.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support removal. The Blue Rider 20:55, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose adittion. Pretty minor conflict, besides we already list the protests, 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests  5. The Blue Rider 20:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I actually proposed this over the smaller 2014 Hong Kong protests (2019 was not the beginning or end of this) deliberately as I felt it would be best to encompass those and others more broadly in a generalized overview of political tensions, I wouldn't be opposed to a similar Taiwan article either. Iostn (talk) 17:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Pink tide

Major 2000s political phenomenon across Latin America.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  • Hmmm, I've thought about this one too. Not sure the concept is that used in the academy or even popularly; the few interwiki links seem to suggest that no. The Blue Rider 20:55, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Spanish Florida

Very important colony that existed for hundreds of years, was the first major European land claim on the continent, and once controlled a sizable portion of the Southeastern United States.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 19:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. England/GB should not have most of the articles on colonies in the Americas. Vileplume (talk) 02:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Some colonies proposals

Add Colonial Brazil

The largest, most profitable and influential Portuguese colony; it lasted many centuries and dictated the foreign policy of the Portuguese Empire for many decades. Its establishment marked the beggining of European colonization in the Americas, as well as being the biggest reciever of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. As a major trade hub, it fueled Europe's Industrial Revolution with its resources and labor force. To omit Colonial Brazil from vital articles is to overlook a pivotal chapter in human history. The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong support. Vileplume (talk) 02:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very historically important. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:19, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support Gizza (talk) 22:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Dutch West India Company

Perhaps not as influential as its counterpart, Dutch East India Company, but still a important for the Dutch colonization, some of them still last today (ABC islands, Sint Martin, etc). The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The Dutch Caribbean is certainly more vital than the seven Lesser Antillean nations. I was the nom of Willemstad  5. Vileplume (talk) 02:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Seems decently important. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add French Equatorial Africa

Similar in importance compared to French West Africa. The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 19:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support; its population was nowhere near that of FWA. Vileplume (talk) 02:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not quite as important as French West Africa  5, but definitely worth including. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Darfur genocide

The article describes it as the first genocide of the 21st century, which has been ongoing since 2003. It led to international outcry and eventually prosecutions in the ICC. (Note that the larger article on the War in Darfur  5 is listed, but I feel the genocide on its own its vital enough at this level).

Support
  1. As nom. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Well beyond many events we list; 80-400k is certainly enough. Vileplume (talk) 02:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Mount Edziza

I've greatly expanded and improved the Mount Edziza article just recently which is about one of the highest volcanoes in Canada and one of the major volcanoes in British Columbia, as well as one of its most active volcanoes. Volcanoguy 18:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Volcanoguy 18:17, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The nominator's proposal to add Mount Edziza volcanic complex looks likely to pass, so I do not see why this article would be needed as well. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    By that logic vital articles about mountains shouldn't be vital in mountain ranges that are vital (e.g. Mount Baker, Mount Rainier, Mount Shasta, Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams are in the Cascade Range which is a level-5 vital article. Also note in my proposal to add Mount Edziza volcanic complex a user claimed that we are still under quota in physical geography which I agree. There seems to be a bias towards articles relating to humans. Volcanoguy 19:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Or Mauna Loa, Mauna Kea and Kīlauea which are on Hawaii, a level-5 vital article. Volcanoguy 19:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This doesn't seem vital enough to be listed alongside the larger volcanic complex. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Makkool: Yet the Spectrum Range is? You claimed in the other proposal that you didn't see why Spectrum Range couldn't stay along the volcanic complex article. I could argue Mount Edziza is more geologically important than the Spectrum Range, being the site of more recent volcanic activity. Volcanoguy 17:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I just don't think we should list both the volcanic complex and its highest peak in this case. Besides, this project's consensus has been that recentism should be avoided when choosing articles. --Makkool (talk) 17:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Makkool: As pointed out above, why shouldn't the highest peak be listed alongside the volcanic complex if Mount Rainier and Mauna Kea are listed? Mount Rainier is the highest point of the Cascade Range and Mauna Kea is the highest point of the island of Hawaii. How doesn't Mount Edziza seem vital enough to be listed alongside the larger volcanic complex? It's almost just as long as the volcanic complex article and the other articles listed here, which means that they are all highly notable topics. I don't see how the project's anti-recentism has anything to do with this since it seems to be for individuals rather than landforms. Even so, Mount Edziza is slightly over one million years old while the other volcanoes listed here are no more than a million years old so that argument doesn't hold up. Volcanoguy 17:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Recent volcanic activity, or the length of the article are not things that would support including it in the list for me. Mount Rainier and Mauna Kea are notable for other things than just being the highest peak of their respective mountain ranges. EDIT: Edziza isn't the hightest peak of British Columbia for example. --Makkool (talk) 17:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
  • Besides the -est' and most', why is it important? Be it geologically, environmentally, or even culturally. The Blue Rider 18:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Blue Rider: I would say it has geological significance since it's one of the most widespread areas of recent volcanism in Canada. The mountain and the surrounding area were established as a provincial park in 1972 to preserve the volcanic landscape. As for culture, Mount Edziza is sacred to the local Tahltan people as it was a source of obsidian. It provided them with weaponry, tools and trading goods that ensured they could thrive for thousands of years. Mount Edziza obsidian has been found outside Tahltan territory. Volcanoguy 19:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Blida  5

Being one of the 58 provincial capitals in Algeria does not make a city vital. Population is not that high and there is not very much historical importance. All it has going for it is having the home stadium for the Algeria national football team, which is not vital. It is also very close to the capital, further decreasing its vitality. Decent number of interwikis, but that is likely for the same reason as the U.S. state capitals. Overall, this city just doesn't have enough going for it to make the list.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support either of the swaps listed below. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Would support a swap with Tlemcen or Bejaia. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 10 cities for Algeria seems about right ratio-wise and in general, I'm inclined to oppose any city removal unless it's blatantly obvious it shouldn't be included because we are actually under-quota for Cities. However, I would support a swap with either Tlemcen (former capital of Medieval Muslim Algeria, more populous, other important historical events) or Béjaïa (largest city in Kabylia which is a region of Algeria that is large enough, culturally unique enough, and significant enough to the history of Algeria that it should also be at VA5 imo, 6th largest port on the Mediterranean, more populous). Aurangzebra (talk) 17:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak oppose per Aurangzebra, although I would support either of the swaps. Vileplume (talk) 22:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
  • Bilda is the fourth largest city of Algeria, Sidi Bel Abbès  5 seems like a better removal. The Blue Rider 18:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Strangely, that metric at list of cities in Algeria shows the population of Blida as over 100k more than the article on Blida does, despite being only four years older. Blida has the lowest population among the listed cities going by what the infoboxes in the articles say. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Allied-occupied Germany

A relatively short-lived but deeply contentious occupation that defined the status quo of postwar Europe.

Support
  1. As nominator.:Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion
  • West Germany  5 and East Germany  5 are already listed, I think that sufficiently covers it, no? The Blue Rider 21:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Both of those states were formed after the direct occupation/administration period, which is what this article is focused on Iostn (talk) 16:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    West and East Germany are concepts that were created during the allied-occupied Germany, not just after it. The Blue Rider 18:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Sino-Indian War

This war saw direct confrontation between the world's two most populous countries. As both states have risen politically and economically, its salience remains important in geopolitics. For instance, during the 2020–2021 China–India skirmishes and the broader Sino-Indian border dispute.

Support
  1. As nominator.:Tabu Makiadi (talk) 18:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support surprised it was missing. I almost consider it Level 4 vital. Gizza (talk) 22:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Ajdabiya and Bayda, Libya

Libya is horrendously overrepresented and these are its two smallest cities that are on the list. Vileplume (talk) 19:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 19:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Bayda since it does not seem to have much importance. Neutral on Ajdabiya, since it has a good amount of historical importance but it is also not very populated and is very close to the two largest cities in the country. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Benghazi  4 is generally regarded as Libya’s second largest city, not Misrata  5. Vileplume (talk) 21:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Where did you get that from? The article says it is close to Tripoli, Libya  4 (the capital) and Benghazi. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Tripoli and Benghazi are on opposite sides of the country, so I just assumed you used a different metric where Misrata was larger. Ajdabiya is much closer to Benghazi than to Tripoli. Vileplume (talk) 23:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, the article never stated that. Vileplume (talk) 23:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hm, maybe 580 miles is a bit more than I thought. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Ajdabiya, neutral on Bayda as it's the 4th largest city. --Makkool (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    According to [1]https://citypopulation.de, Bayda is the 11th largest city. Has Libya had any censuses since 2006? Vileplume (talk) 13:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support both. Ajdabiya reads like a satellite city of Benghazi, while Bayda appears to be smaller? feminist🩸 (talk) 14:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. 9 cities for a country with 7 million people is a stretch. Gizza (talk) 00:43, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap History of medicine in the United States with History of cancer  5

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Swapped 6-0. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The U.S. medicine article being listed seems very US-centric. None of the similar articles for other countries are listed. Meanwhile, Cancer  3 is VA3, and its history is rated High-Importance by WikiProject Medicine and Top-Importance by one of their taskforces.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:03, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Corrects for systemic bias. starship.paint (RUN) 13:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Three intersections is excessive. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. One interwiki versus two. Vileplume (talk) 16:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add History of Go

Go (game)  4 is VA4 and has been around for over two millennia, and the History of Games section is way too sports-based. The only other board game history article we have listed currently is History of chess  5, and I think that there is room for a second one.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. I'm aware that History of gambling does not exist as an article, but it would be the first "history of [game]" topic I'd want to add to the list if it does. I feel like "the most important game for which we have a separate History article on" is not a very good reason to include it, because it probably excludes more important topics which should be added first. I also think sports in general are more popular than games globally, and the greater element of competition in these sports means they have had a more developed history. The average Chinese person probably cares a lot more about, say, the China women's national volleyball team than they care about the game of Go, despite Go being strongly associated with China. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I beliebe mancala is older and played more. The Blue Rider 00:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    History of mancala does not exist as an article. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not convinced that "history of [recreational item]" is a particularly important class of articles for us to include on this list. Most articles on entertainment and recreation topics are not long enough to warrant splitting out its History section into a separate article. Our article on Doll  4 for example is mostly about the history of dolls, which is fine – there is no issue with not having History of dolls as a separate article, nor is the lack of inclusion of such an article on the V5 list a sign that we don't regard it as an important topic. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swap Tigrayan peace process  5 with Battle of Adwa

Even if lasting peace takes place, I am not sure we need two vital articles to cover the Tigray War  5. The Battle of Adwa, on the other hand, is a very important event in Ethiopian history. It is the culminating battle of the First Italo-Ethiopian War  5, a symbol of Pan-Africanism  5, and secured Ethiopia’s independence until the Second Italo-Ethiopian War  4.

Support
  1. As nominator.:Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 23:19, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 10:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Mdina

Mdina, Malta holds significant historical importance for the country of Malta:

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 00:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
  • Yes, the current population is only of a few hundreds but historically it had an higher population comparatively to the rest of the country. The Blue Rider 00:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but most would ignore current population for historical settlements. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Lantau Island  5

The largest island in Hong Kong  3. Place under Physical.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Faraulep

The Caroline Islands  5 have five other listing, six if you include the parent article. This island has a population of only 221, and has no apparent cultural, geographical, or historical importance. It should not be listed.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 13 interwikis and 7 daily views. Whether this could be on a hypothetical 100k list is questionable. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 23:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add 1815 eruption of Mount Tambora

Per our recent additions of natural disasters, this is "the most powerful volcanic eruption in recorded human history" and the most likely reason for the Year Without a Summer. Estimates suggest it is also the deadliest volcano eruption in history, directly causing over 71,000 deaths.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 03:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense. Year Without a Summer should also be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add East Berlin

Capital of East Germany  5, this division is still visible in today's Berlin. The Blue Rider 19:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 19:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 19:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Bible Belt

Equally important to Sun Belt  5, which got enough support to be added.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Much better known concept than many geographical topics we list like minor cities or islands. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove 2000s in science and technology

No clue why this specific decade is singled out.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Random non-vital niche topic, sigh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. This type of article can open up the floodgates. Gizza (talk) 00:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I don't think this was a particularly noteworthy decade for science. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Remove History of Australian rules football and History of hurling

Given the low pageviews and interwikis, we may have too many History of sports articles (28). We recently voted to remove History of rodeo, and these are roughly similar in terms of significance, not to mention that Hurling  5 is only V5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support histories of sports popular in one country (especially countries with medium or small populations) are not vital in a list of 50,000. Gizza (talk) 00:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per everyone above. Aurangzebra (talk) 05:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Remove History of lacrosse and History of water polo

Same rationale as above.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 21:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. As someone who has done water polo it saddens me to remove this article but it is a rather niche sport. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 23:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support per above. Gizza (talk) 00:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Swap Bratsk  5 with Novokuznetsk

Bratsk is already covered by Irkutsk  5 and Irkutsk Oblast  5. Novokuznetsk, on the other hand, is a major coal mining and industrial centre and has the 16th highest GMP of all Russian cities. Up until recently, it had a higher population than Kemerovo  5. It feels odd excluding it from a list of 6 cities in the Siberian Federal District, let alone 12. Compared to Bratsk, Novo has slightly more interwikis, double the Russian pageviews, and 2.4 times the population. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Treaty of Trianon

Had a profound impact on Central and Eastern Europe. The loss of about two-thirds of Hungary's pre-war landmass and population fueled nationalist sentiments and political instability, while internationally, it solidified the post-WWI order, leading to the creation or enlargement of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Austria and Romania.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Remove 2012 Benghazi attack  5

I know this is sometimes mentioned in the U.S. media, but I am not sure it is so important to world history. We have 7 vital articles covering the Libyan Crisis (2011–present)  5, which I think is a recentist bias for a V5 conflict.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Factional violence in Libya (2011–2014)  5

Same reasoning as above.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Trinity (nuclear test)

Important subtopic of the Manhattan Project. Interstellarity (talk) 13:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko  5 and Poisoning of Alexei Navalny  5, add Khrushchev Thaw

In both of these cases, we already list Alexander Litvinenko  5 and Alexei Navalny  5 mostly making these redundant. In any cases, we have an overrepresentation of post-Soviet Russia where Khrushchev Thaw, which encompasses a key period marking a diversion from Stalinism in the Soviet Union, isn't listed.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 19:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Address

Notable omission. Interstellarity (talk) 20:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Political history of the world

We list the academic field, but not the actual political history. Interstellarity (talk) 01:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Temperance movement and Teetotalism

Surprised these are not listed. Abstaining from alcohol is an important concept. Interstellarity (talk) 13:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Early modern history additions

Add Great Fire of London

This maybe Anglo bias, but I am genuinely surprised this isn't already listed. Nearly everyone in the UK has heard of it.

Support
  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add St. Bartholomew's Day massacre

Both of the parent topics for this, French Wars of Religion  4 and Huguenots  4, are VA4, not to mention this has more interwikis than the former.

Support
  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Shimabara Rebellion

An important event in the early Edo period  4, that had long-lasting ramifications for the Sakoku  5 policy and Christianity in Japan. Amakusa Shirō  5 is already a VA.

Support
  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Rustenburg  5

One of the major cities of South Africa, with a population of over 600,000 - larger than Kimberley, Northern Cape  5, Polokwane  5 and Mbombela  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Iostn (talk) 12:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 62 interwikis, but 194 dailies is not a lot. Cities of this size should usually be vital at this level, so I’ll support for now. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Kimberley is at 72-379, Polokwane is at 74-218, and Mbombela is at 70-206. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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