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Aubrey-Maturin series

Hi, I got your message. The main article pages for each novel in the 21 book Aubrey-Maturin series are now complete - took me some time - so any contributions from your part would be welcome as there is a lot of work to do on this project! Ivankinsman 20:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Clover Hello, I got your message about Clover. I believe what you think I did as vandalism is what I actually removed from the page...I did not add anything, but did delete some slander at the top of the page that was obviously not relevant to the article. Maybe you're reading the edits wrong, and seeing my name associated with it for the deletion? Or, perhaps me hitting the back button unwillingly put the graffiti back in? I assure you, I did not post that. (talk) 02:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, take care. (talk) 23:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The Nine Tailors

Hi there. Thanks for your expansion of The Nine Tailors. I love that book for its description of atmosphere and place and the final denouement, but the plot confuses me every single time. Nice to have it explained better! Telsa (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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Warning on Video games in the People's Republic of China

That's not fair. I didn't make any of the edits that you're accusing me of, and I certainly didn't vandalise anything. So get your facts straight before making false accusations, okay? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

You may not personally have made the edits I and other editors have issued warnings about on your talk page, but we all do have our facts straight - the edits came from the IP address If you track down the edits in question and look up the contribution history of the IP address that made them, you will find them all listed there along with your own complaint on my talk page.
If you are using or editing Wikipedia anonymously then you are identified by your computer's MAC address. If you are connected via a proxy server, or using a network with multiple machines or a public computer with multiple users, then you will be affected by any warnings or bans issued by administrators against that IP address. To avoid being identified with vandals sharing your IP address, please consider creating an account. == Karenjc (talk) 19:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hello Karenjc, I noticed you do quite a lot of vandal-fighting. Would you like me to grant your account rollback rights to aid you in your vandal-reverting? Acalamari 22:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi and thank you. Yes, I would appreciate access to the rollback function, and would use it with caution. Karenjc 22:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Granted. :) If you would like some practice with it before use in the mainspace, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback. Good luck. Acalamari 22:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Much appreciated :) Karenjc 22:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome! Acalamari 23:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Article Review

I wanted to find out if there is an area where I can have someone review an article to make sure that it meets guidelines before saving it, so that I can be sure it is notable? I appreciate your help.[[HappySk8ter (talk) 17:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)]]

Elizabeth I

(blush) Descendant of Elizabeth I, indeed. I completely missed that -- thanks for spotting it and for being more helpful than I tried to be to this new user. I think I'll use your offer as a model for the future!! Accounting4Taste:talk 23:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Re: warning

I removed the warning. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. J.delanoygabsadds 14:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Novels Collaboration of the Month

You supported Pride and Prejudice, which has been selected as the Novels WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article towards featured article standard. Cheers. Liveste (talkedits) 01:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Warning Vandals

hi thanks for the link to the templates. As I am a new user only been here for 3 days I wasnt aware of the templates and where they were located. Thanks for the help. Christopher140691 (talk) 19:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

To answer your question...

The article on Nazism was probably under lockdown as it is wildly disputed. I believe it is back up nowJpc100 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXIV - May 2008

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Nice teamwork there on PRSO's article, everything just fine now, THANKS FOR THE GREAT HELP MAN (or lady)!!!

From Portugal, have a great weekend,

VASCO AMARAL - -- (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

User Page


I'm not sure how it's happening, but the “Userboxes” are overlapping onto the “User Toolbox” and messing up your user page when viewed in Firefox; Displays OK though in I.E…

Best wishes, --Badgernet (talk) 11:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

No problemo... Shall I try and fix the code for you now ? Badgernet (talk) 12:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 Looking OK so far :) Badgernet (talk) 14:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


Original Barnstar.png The Original Barnstar
A thank you for your work on Disambiguation link repairs... just so you know it was noticed :) Badgernet (talk) 10:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


...for the reversion you did to my talk page - I hardly had time to notice the vandalism Fritzpoll (talk) 22:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

thanks also for the work you do on helping with the new contributors page... and staying supportive even when dealing with contributors whose contributions aren't exactly welcome, like "to use Wikipedia to air some ideas of mine about "health care reform in the United States."", your positivity and support of newbies (like me) helps to encourage them to grow into valuable parts of the wikipedia community, instead of being short-tempered as several other experienced editors can be, which only discourages people from getting involved and making a contribution to this wonderful community. So thank you... I hope this is as good as a stupid jpeg of a militaristic medal  ;) Deproduction (talk) 17:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! (replied on user's talk page) -- Karenjc 18:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Lafayette Leake

Hi! I think I may have a few sources for the article - I have to run off and teach for a bit, but when I'm free again later I'll add some and see if they can help you to salvage it. :) - Bilby (talk) 23:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd appreciate it. I need to go to bed (it's almost 1 am here) but I'll keep looking tomorrow too. I've seen far less promising subjects than this pass WP:N before now. -- Karenjc 23:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree - I don't think there will be any problems passing. Some of the refs look pretty good. :) - Bilby (talk) 23:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I've added some refs - I have a couple of extra leads I can follow up on if needed, but I probably can't get access to them until after the AfD. I didn't mention his own music, such as Slow Leak, but there were a couple of references, so I suspect it can be added if needed. Unfortunately, I'm a tad ignorant when it comes to Blues. :) - Bilby (talk) 04:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I have nothing in book form I can get to easily (not a blues fan either!) but have trawled the net for the relatively small amount of biographical info available, and added it in with categories and stub tags. Two things, though. I found it asserted on two sites (eg here [1]) that his name was Ellis "Lafayette" Leake. Neither ref was sufficiently credible to cite in the article, but if you have published sources to hand, perhaps you could check to see if they mention this? Likewise it's stated in several places that he died in a diabetic coma, or of complications related to diabetes, but I can't confirm it sufficiently to include it.
Thanks for your help in trying to save this article. I do think too many get blithely deleted (although I am someone who regularly tags new articles for CSD, usually nonsense, spam and non-notable bios). -- Karenjc 19:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
CSD is valuable work - I'd get more involved, but mostly I spend my time researching things. :) I've added a couple more refs on your new stuff, and found some support for other claims. I'm not sure about his name, but the coma I can can confirm, and I'll add that in when I can - he fell into a coma, but as he kept very much to himself he wasn't found for a couple of days and died in hospital. - Bilby (talk) 05:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Wizard of Oz

Hi. I learned about the Tinman/snake substition in a presentation given by Dick Rutter in the year 2000, at the Wizard of Oz Centennial Convention that was held in Bloomington, Indiana, by the International Wizard of Oz Club. Rutter is an orthodonist and Oz enthusiast, who owns what very well may be the world's largest collection of international editions of the Wizard of Oz. He gave a slideshow presentation of books from his collection, including several books from Hindu countries, and reported the snake anecdote. I hope this information helps. --woggly (talk) 22:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for your welcome note.  :) -- OceanWatcher (talk) 00:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: Cedarvlae 1965-08 Talk Page

Thank you for the note, I did not realize that the user was new. I only called it vandilism because what they wrote look like an opinion. I did not mean to be unfriendly. Thank you! Plus,how do you join these Wiki- Projects (like the Wikipedia Welcoming commitee)(Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 01:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC))

RE: Joining the Wikipedia/Welcoming Commitee

Thamk you for the tip sent on June 15th. I actually joined yesterday (June 14th). Thanks again though. --Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 23:23, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

RC Patroler

Hi, I am just wanting to know if being a RC Patrol is easy? And, have you ever made a revert? Don't feel obligated to respond, but thanks. All I want is little guidelines. (Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 00:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC))

Copyright violations by User:JM0371

I've been following the JM0371 copyright violation saga. I have found 10 potential violations in images of Ohio county courthouses he's uploaded, including Image:WarrenCOOH.png that you've already noticed. I posted them on User:Ruhrfisch's talk page, since he's the one that noticed the problem with the Lake County image originally and is how I found out about the potential problem. I don't want to go around throwing "image violation" templates on all of his images, since I want to assume good faith, but these appear the be the most obvious violations. I'll post my list on WP:Copyright_problems?Dcmacnut (talk) 02:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXV - June 2008

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Error in requesting adminship

Thank you for your message, Karen. I signed up for adminship because I assumed this was how I have to become a contributor. I cannot figure out how to delete this request and simply be a contributing user. Hope you can help! Sincerely, AlamoZoologist —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlamoZoologist (talkcontribs) 14:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome

My pleasure. Cheers, (talk) 23:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


Actually, eyelash extensions had existed for a long time. They just added their spamlink (and now they're blocked). Daniel Case (talk) 20:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

fmx for deletion?

Hi Karen just wondering why you think this should be deleted, sure its obscure but perhaps notable? StopVandalsNow 21:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Replied on user's talk page. Karenjc 21:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


Rodger that, I'll see what i can do. Just out of curiosity, what kind of references are needed? If i go to my bmx club and get some pics and description of tricks is that enough?

If we agree its obscure, perhaps the articles on soap shoes , Freestyle walking and free running can contribute to the notability of this article...

Cheers StopVandalsNow 21:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

What about now?

So... What do you reckon now? Until I can get some decent pics. I could use the grinding pic from Soap shoes and the pic from Freestyle walking for the time being, what do you reckon? StopVandalsNow 22:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

help Editing entry

Karenjc, I've encountered an entry with some needed repairs that is above my level of understanding. The footnote references are not formatted correctly, and there's an odd and significant typo that requires more than a simple grammatical fix or revert. Its The Einstein Theory of Relativity, an article about a 1920's silent film about relativity. Where should I go to get help with something like this? Deproduction (talk) 18:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Replied in detail on the user's talk page. --Karenjc 14:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


I understand your concern...sounds good to me. I was kind of leery about making that move in the first place, to tell the truth. I discovered hatnotes much later, and agree that this is a wonderful solution. Thanks for taking initiative.

Yeah...Cafeteria is definitely MUCH lesser known than the cafeteria. :) Bob the Wikipedian (talkcontribs) 02:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Re UAE cleanup

Truth is... I was lucky, and somebody fixed it (I think) while I was investigating.

You may wish to copy the instructions I was given here before it is archived. I don't know much about templates, nor how to check if they are protected, so I decided to remove them and show preview one at a time to see how it effected the page (a slow way of finding the infected template) and was lucky enough with the top coatrack to find it first time... I think. I then undid my removal and reviewed, so I could link to the template, and found that the page was infection free - so I saved it. I believe that either someone else cleaned up the template while I was doing the above, or that it had already been cleaned and my actions purged the cache (which means it may have been some other template).

If I ever do find out how exactly to do it, I will let you know - and if you find out first I should be grateful for an idiots guide; the instructions listed above assume a level of clue I do not posses.

Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thankspam

Thanks for your support in my RFA, which passed with 140 supporting, 11 opposing, and 4 neutral. I will do my best to live up to the trust that you have given to me. If I can ever assist you with anything, just ask.


J.delanoygabsadds 19:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


I see have a found a fellow pastafarian :D my first on this wikipedia! The Flying Spaghetti Monster! 15:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Article Review

I wanted to find out if there is an area where I can have someone review an article to make sure that it meets guidelines before saving it, so that I can be sure it is notable? I appreciate your help.[[HappySk8ter (talk) 17:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)]]

Replied on user's talk page Karenjc 19:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi there KAREN, VASCO from PORTUGAL here,

Wow, for 2 or 3 days i have an account, and already two messages telling me to stopping being uncivil. For two years (previously as anonymous) i have worked my behind off (sorry for the crudeness of words) to improve WIKIPEDIA, and have been insulted (not your case), threatened (not your case as well), and lots of other moves that make my jaw drop...

I just tell it like i see it, honestly. Did not know you would be "judged as judgemental" for observing the mastering (or lack thereof) of language, grammar, etc, not to mention DOWNRIGHT VANDALISM, totally disrespecting others' work (i said i worked very hard previously, but not (NO WAY) nearly as hard as lots of other users). I do admit i, anonymous or not, have sometimes lost it to "contributors" that deserve it and what i find extremely unfair is that more times i would like to see, i am the one getting reprimanded, not the VANDAL. I promise i will try to tone down in the future, if i don't leave WP in the next weeks...

From PORTUGAL, have a great week,

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 21:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


for this [2] :) THEN WHO WAS PHONE? (talk) 20:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome. Have level-3 warned on talk page for refactoring too. Karenjc 20:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Looks like that was enough to get them to wise up! THEN WHO WAS PHONE? (talk) 06:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Query

I deleted his userpage, as it is (or was) blatant vandalism and an attack page. I didn't block him, as I cannot prove anything, but I can't imagine he'll react favorably to my deletion of his userpage, so I suppose that he will soon be blocked anyways. Thanks for the heads up. J.delanoygabsadds 22:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Primetime issues (some help)

Add this to your monobook, it should help. It's a revert all edits script. The code to initialise it is "rYes". Hopefully it makes things easier for you when reverting PrimeTime.

importScript('User:Steve Crossin/revertall.js'); //Revert all script

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Hello, Karenjc. You have new messages at Steve Crossin's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Pride and Prejudice reference

Hello. I currently have Pride and Prejudice (1995 TV serial) at FAC (Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pride and Prejudice (1995 TV serial)), and a reviewer asks for the page number of a ref you added to Pride and Prejudice in June, and which I used in "my" article. The information that needs to be sourced is "which highlights the importance of environment and upbringing on the development of young people's character and morality, although high social standing and wealth are not necessarily advantageous." Can you help out? – sgeureka tc 11:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I added quite a few refs and cited content to this a few months back as part of the Wikiproject:Novels monthly collaboration, so I'm delighted to hear it's been useful in getting the Film version article considered for FA. I don't have the copy of The Jane Austen Companion I used by me at the moment as it was a library book, but I will do my best to get your page reference asap. Karenjc 12:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. In the meantime, I'll try to find a source that backs up the same claim, and if this is successful, I'll let you know to avoid duplicate work. :-) – sgeureka tc 14:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Nope, neither my library nor google books have this book, and it seems easier to summarize the theories of another book than to find another book that makes the same claims. :-( There are some other FAC issues though that won't get resolved before next weekend, so if you need significantly more time, just drop me a line, and I'll replace the information of this book with something else so that the work rests with me not you. :-) – sgeureka tc 15:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Lol immaculate timing, I have just returned proudly from the library clutching the page ref for the Pinion diff [3] you sent me (it's page 92, for what it's worth) and then read your message again properly and realised that's not actually the reference you need - that one is to do with the "three times in block capitals" bit. That'll teach me to read the question properly! I'll get there eventually. Karenjc 16:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I am sooooo sorry. :-S What I referred to was (in green) below, and I would have pointed this out more properly if I had thought I was not obvious enough. – sgeureka tc 17:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Nah, it's me - your message is quite clear had I actually read it properly! Karenjc 18:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, got it! "Jane attached great importance to environmental factors in the upbringing of young people. A higher socio-economic status is not necessarily an advantage. Emma was over-indulged in her early years, and had much to learn from experience; Darcy was spoiled by his parents, who encouraged him to be selfish and overbearing... the Crawfords were influenced by the manners of their aunt and uncle; and Sir Thomas Bertram came to realize that, despite all their advantages, his daughters' affections and disposition had not been nurtured in the right way, whereas his nephew and niece had gained from 'early hardship and discipline, and the consciousness of being born to struggle and endure'. The theme is obviously important in Pride and Prejudice, where Mr Bennet is much to blame; it is interesting to note how Kitty, spending most of her time with her elder sisters after their marriage, and 'removed from the influence of Lydia's example', improved greatly in 'society so superior to what she had generally known'. Pinion, op.cit. page 145. Cheers, Karenjc 16:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Grins* Many many thanks. I'll work it into the article later today or tomorrow (got to run to school now). – sgeureka tc 07:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


The "pwn" string in a username cannot but be perceived as an intent to disrupt. Many vandals have used it, and some of us consider it worthy of being blocked on sight (as I did). His one edit, to me, seemed to confirm that. Daniel Case (talk) 22:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Did You Know problem

Hi. I've reviewed your DYK submission for the article Hester Maria Elphinstone, Viscountess Keith, and made a comment on it at the submissions page. Please feel free to reply or comment there. Cheers, Art LaPella (talk) 18:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

You beat me to it!

I was putting a delete tag on Mr. igras, but it was edit conflict because you did it first! Good job! --Yowuza ZX Wolfie 18:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Makes a change for me - I'm usually the slow one :) Happy vandal-fighting! Karenjc 18:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


About Joshbiz, sorry.. My bad. =( Antivenin (talk) 18:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, Twinkle doesn't work for me. *sob* I have to do it manually..

Antivenin (talk) 08:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm manual too - don't have either Twinkle or Huggle. Slower, but probably more accurate (at least i think so). Karenjc 09:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 1 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hester Maria Elphinstone, Viscountess Keith, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

It got the coveted lead slot too. Congratulations and keep up the good work! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

You are very welcome - thanks again for an interesting article on a fascinating person (and sorry to be slow in replying). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


help me edit Scholastic News Kids Press Corps--Only Edit Scholastic (talk) 22:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Calling all active WP:NOVELS members

WikiProject Novels Roll Call
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WikiProject Novels is currently holding a roll call, which we hope to have annually. Your username is listed on the members list, but we are unsure as to which editors are still active within the project. If you still consider yourself an active WP:Novels editor, please add your name back to the Active Members list. Also feel free to join any of our task forces and take a look at the project's Job Centre to get involved!

Next month we will begin the coordinator election selection process. We hope to have more involvement and input this time around! More news will be forthcoming. Thanks, everyone! María (habla conmigo) 17:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On 10 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Benjamin Hallowell Carew, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Mspraveen (talk) 10:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On 12 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article George Arnald, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Again, good work --Daniel Case (talk) 14:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Novels Newsletter - September 2008

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Good work on getting Benjamin Hallowell Carew started. youngamerican (wtf?) 15:47, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, and thanks for your contributions too :) Karenjc 10:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Hull triple trawler tragedy (1968)

Updated DYK query On 15 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hull triple trawler tragedy (1968), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 01:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Scotch woodcock

Do you think you might possibly be able to make one and upload a pic? It would be a huge favour as I usually end up doing this for the poor food stubs they take to AfD, but I don't even like scrambled egg.:) Sticky Parkin 02:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Ooh now, there's a thought. (And a wonderful excuse to buy some anchovies - mmmmmmmmm!) Yes, I'll get a pic, but it may take a couple of days - I have a work backlog to contend with. Still, I do like scrambled egg. Karenjc 10:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
No problem. Adding to wiki articles is an excellent excuse for food- see champagne breakfast. :) yum! There is no hurry as the article has been kept, but pics always make an article look so much better. Sticky Parkin 01:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
There we go. Not 100%, but clear enough, I think. My camera isn't fantastic at close-ups. Karenjc 13:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Abe Stark and Watermelon Queen.jpg The Muncher's Barnstar
For forcing yourself to make tasty treats to provide photos for wiki. Mmmm, what else needs a pic?:) Sticky Parkin 16:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Awww, thanks :) Now all I have to do is create an article on Triple-chocolate-and-champagne-truffle pudding, and buy new batteries for the camera... Karenjc 18:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Death & taxes

Apropos nothing, good Grim Reaper answer. Kudos. And you got to use that bit of knowledge. I'll bet you never thought you'd be able to deploy it in anger. A good education well spent :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Kind words greatly appreciated :) Karenjc 15:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Lawn sweeper

Very good work on turning this into this. Cheers and keep up the good work! TNX-Man 19:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!  :-) Karenjc 19:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Definitely! I'm wanting to write some more articles on other towed equipment like this, looking at what you've done I'll see if I can stick to that format. Question though, what do you mean with adding template or is that the bottom section with the links to other types of tools? Also, is a how to area not appropriate for tool Wiki I take it? Sorry for the questions here and on IRC, I just want to develop the good habits now and not spam Wiki accidentally. Yardandgarden (talk) 19:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the template is the blue box at the bottom with links to different tools, and it's suitable for use on any page about a tool that's mentioned in it. You can find that one at Template:Types of tools, and you can edit it just as you would any other page if you need to add a tool article name to it. You can add the template to a page by adding {{Types of tools}}. Have a look at the code on Lawn sweeper to see how that works. As regards the "howto", one of the (many!) things Wikipedia says it is not is "an instruction manual". There's more info at WP:NOT. Cheers, and good luck with the other articles. Karenjc 20:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Foot laundry

Blatant sockpuppets like these can generally be reported at WP:AIV for immediate blocking. This is limited to obvious similarities in name like with Tile join/Eir Witt here, or two accounts doing the exact same thing one after the other that have done nothing else. If it's not blatantly obvious, but you suspect there may be a relation between two accounts, you should file a report at WP:SSP for further investigation. In certain very specific cases, a request for checkuser can be filed, however this is generally done as a last resort only and they require some strong evidence that the CU tool is in fact needed. ANI generally should not be used for sockpuppet cases, as that tends to up the drama level significantly as the accused sockpuppeter finds out and goes ballistic in front if everyone. Filing through one of the pages I've listed provides us with an easy page to reference to when making the block. I have blocked the two accounts you just named, by the way. Hersfold (t/a/c) 18:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


Hello there, thank you for informing me of where I am going wrong, it is much appreciated and I will take your words on board for the future with regards to welcoming users. Londonfella (talk) 20:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

To each his own

Oxford comma Some people do not realize that the Oxford comma is acceptable, possibly because they were brought up with the supposed rule (which Fowler would call a 'superstition') about putting punctuation marks before and. Please don't edit out The Oxford Comma just because you might not think it is necessary, pretty please. Thank you. — Ayapota (talk) 00:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


Oh, yes, I want to say, "thank you" for your help with my question. — Ayapota (talk) 00:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


Even when I saw it and knew it was wrong, I still actually had to look it up, it was close enough that it blocked the correct answer out of my brain! David Underdown (talk) 09:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 28 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Thrones, Dominations, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Jordan Contribs 23:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - October 2008

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Youtube Campaign

Hi Karenjc, i wasnt really sure who to come to over this but seeing as youre the person that originally welcomed me i guess youre the best place to start. Bassicly, i was wondering if anyone here was aware of this? Not sure if this is even worth worrying about but it seems to have been going on for quite a while. I havent even bothered commenting for now (sure it would just count as (Feeding the troll) but its quite a shame to see that someone has a grudge this big against wikipedia (and most likely the wikimedia foundation as a whole). --Volanaro Talk 23:21, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Volanaro. He certainly seems to have his knickers in a knot! I had a quick look around to see if anyone was talking about this, or linking it to any ongoing campaign by a known vandal, but couldn't find anything (see WP:LONG and WP:ANI). There are plenty of people who don't like Wikipedia, some of whom set up websites specifically to criticise and attack it, and it does seem that some admins and dedicated Wiki users keep an eye on such sites for clues that may help in spotting and reverting abuse and vandalism. My instinct is that this probably has been seen, particularly as it has been going on for a while, but unless he ties himself in to specific acts of vandalism - such as announcing where he's going to do damage, and then doing it - there's not much to be done about him. And you're absolutely 100% right about not feeding the trolls. If you spot any specific threats he makes on YouTube and then find evidence that they are leading directly to serious damage here, it might be worth reporting it at WP:AIV so the account can be blocked. Other than that it's probably kindest to leave him and his grudge to enjoy each other. Cheers and happy editing, Karenjc 21:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Understood, the main concern i had was at about 0:35 on the first link where he talks about a "massive attack" not quite sure what he means by that but like you said, i guess well just have to keep an eye on him or forget about him until he actually sais exactly what hes up to. --Volanaro Talk 15:37, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Henry William Pickersgill

Updated DYK query On February 5, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Henry William Pickersgill, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 03:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


re your comments on User talk:CCFSDCA - this user is creating a lot of pages about "holidays" quoting "Reference: Christopher Corbett-Fiacco, The Whole World Calendar Book of Holidays Around the World 2010-2015.".

The problem with this is that User:CCFSDCA] is Christopher Corbett-Fiacco - according to his user page, anywway.

So therefore his only reference for this series of articles is, er, himself.

What's the next step here? Is it original research? Advertising? COI? All of the above and more? I'm out of my depth here. pablohablo. 21:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Time seems to have overtaken us: the issue is under discussion on the author's userpage. Me, I reckon it's a hoax, but I'm sure time will tell. Karenjc 00:07, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


why are you not letting me edit

Replied on user's talk page Karenjc 20:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Elijah McCoy talk

These three edits seem to have buggered up some info. I could not just "undo" them. Can you revert them?

  1. (cur) (prev) 21:30, 14 February 2009 (Talk) (7,722 bytes) (WHATARE YOU DOING) (undo)
  2. (cur) (prev) 03:02, 11 February 2009 (Talk) (7,723 bytes) (undo)
  3. (cur) (prev) 03:01, 11 February 2009 (Talk) (7,742 bytes) (undo)

7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Stan

Replied on user's talk page. Karenjc 21:28, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the helping hand. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC) Stan

Oklahoma Christian School

What are we going to do about Afrost24 (talk · contribs)? We have both have explained WP:OWN, COI and consensus to him, your explanation particularly friendly, full and clear; but he has made no response and (with two IPs, one of which is registered to the school) is carrying on deleting great chunks with edit summaries like "deleting Bible program". I think I will revert again, leave another note for him and perhaps one on the talk page, and if he does it again ask at AN/I for, say, a week's block on him and semi-protect on the article to get his attention. I would agree that some trimming would do the article no harm, but we can't let him get away with his unilateral cuts, he has to come and discuss. Any better ideas? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a difficult one. To be honest, some of his deletions (such as the recent re-deletion of Bible Program), are a change for the better, since the material was unencyclopaedic and parochial. Others - like the deletion of extra-curricular activities - are not, because the deleted material referred to school accomplishments which might be said to help establish notability. I think he has taken some of our advice on board even though he hasn't responded: he's no longer adding great lumps of brochure copy, for instance. And I still think his intention is to improve, not to damage, but I am less than impressed by his unwillingness to engage in dialogue or respond to offers of help. Still, there's no law says he has to talk to us, or that he is utterly forbidden to edit the page because of COI. I'm sure if this ends up at ANI there'll be an admin willing to issue a block, but I just wonder if we can help him avoid this and get him onside.
How do you feel about pitching in and having a short, intensive stab at knocking this article into shape ourselves? See if we can find some references and just get on with the job, discussing changes on the talk page as we go and leaving good clear edit summaries as a object lesson? Once started, we could even drop a note on his talk page inviting him to participate. If he gets involved, then great - we may get a better article - if not, there's always ANI. What do you think? Or am I being too optimistic... Karenjc 19:29, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, actually, I think WP:CONSENSUS is pretty close to a law saying he has to come and talk to us. I agree he is trying to improve the article, and I think maybe his problem is that he is not good at or happy with expressing himself - his edits all seem to be deletions or copying in of outside material - and that's why he doesn't explain what he wants on the talk page. I'll think about your suggestion and see what material I can find and look at some other school articles for ideas - I don't have much experience of this sort of article. Another possibility I thought of is to copy the article into his user space and invite him to edit that according to his ideas, as a way of showing what he's after - then we could get a discussion of that draft on the talk page. I'll come back to you. JohnCD (talk) 22:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
WP:CONSENSUS certainly says he has to come and talk to us if he knows we don't agree with what he's doing but he wants to keep doing it. He has the option to ignore us and stop editing the article, but his past record makes me suspect this will not happen. My hesitation to send this to ANI at this point is just that I'm not convinced he has grasped how to go about seeking consensus, and I wanted to give him every opportunity to understand before pressing the block button. I think you've hit the nail on the head: he's not confident with expressing himself, hence the pasting in and the ignoring of persistent errors like "lead" for "led". So I've restored - again - the portion of his most recent deletions that I felt should stay, and opened a discussion on the article's talk page with a signpost to it in the restoring edit summary. I've also cleaned up a few obvious errors. It's really down to him now - the door to consensus is open with a great big sign on it. If he deletes the extracurricular stuff again without discussion or an adequate edit summary, I'm afraid a block request and a semiprotect may well be the only way of communicating. Let's see. Karenjc 17:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Good. If I can see any useful change to make, I'll do so, just to demonstrate co-operation. You're right, AN/I isn't necessary or useful yet unless he continues with unilateral deletions. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


Hi there, Please see the download page for the new release of huggle. It should work and should be the only version to work. Thank Xclamation point and if you have any questions please get to me on my talk page as I will not be checking back here. --·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 21:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Blanked AfDs

Hi. When you see an IP trying to do this, it is often a sign that he or she is actually requesting that someone do this. Thanks. --Dynaflow babble 20:40, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

That's useful to know - I was aware of the courtesy blanking template and its uses, but not the afd variant. Looking at the IP's only other edits, it appears you're right. Good call. Karenjc 20:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - March 2009

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Hi there KAREN, VASCO from Portugal here,

Have a nice week, keep up the good work,

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 21:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Macaulay Culkin

You have inserted information with the summary, "It's **** true, I tell ya." The problem is that you haven't provided any clue that

  1. there is a reliable source stating what you adeed; and
  2. your addition meets the requirements of WP:BLP, that is, you can say this without risk of being sued for libel.

Thank you for your understanding.  Blanchardb -MeMyEarsMyMouth- timed 20:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Wrong person, I think. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) is the one you are looking for. --Bongwarrior (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Novels Newsletter - June 2009

WikiProject Novels - Coordinator Election

Hello. To begin, every member of WikiProject Novels will be getting this message (the joy of macros) so if you wish to get in touch with me, please post a message on my talk page. I would encourage anyone who so wishes, to stand in the Coordinator Elections. If you wish to stand, please do so by 23:59pm, June 27. Voting will the continue to 23:59pm, July 21. Can everyone please check-out the Coordinator Elections page. Also, the collaboration of the month is The Tin Drum, so if you have any spare time, please check it out. And I apologise to the seven of you for whom this will be a repeat message. Regards, Alan16 (talk).

Coordinator Election

Hello. The Coordiantor Election has begun. All members are encouraged to vote by the deadline, July 28. To vote simply add support to the comments and questions for.. section of the member of your choice.

3 users are standing:

Regards, Alan16 (talk) 19:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC).

False accusations of vandalism

Tell me why editing a persons statistics to what they really are is vandalism?

U clearly have no idea about bike racing

You have altered the statistics on that page four times in thirty minutes, changing them radically for the worse and supplying no source for the change. You have been reverted by other editors and asked not to make changes like this unless they are verifiable but you have continued to change the statistics. Your version of the stats shows him achieving virtually nothing in his racing career, which contradicts the facts stated in the body of the text itself. Introducing false information into a Wikipedia article is indeed vandalism. If you want your version to stand you need to supply checkable sources for your information on Talmacsi's racing statistics. If you can do this, and show that your version is accurate, you will have my sincere apologies and my support for your changes, and I will willingly redact the warning from your talk page. By the way, if you leave messages on Wikipedia you can sign them with four tildes, like this: ~~~~. This will produce a signature and datestamp and will help people find their way to your talk page more easily. Karenjc 21:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Daniel Cajanus

Updated DYK query On July 28, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Daniel Cajanus, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wizardman 12:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - July 2009

The July 2009 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Alan16(talk)