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Hmm... I did not know about those, and feel kind of stupid I did not. :-p I will certainly remember them for next time. Thanks a bunch. (Guyinblack25talk23:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC))
Hey, I was wondering if you could take a look at the GA review for Rogue squadron. It was my first GA review and I'd appreciate another set of eyes on it to critique me and my review as well as the article itself.
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Feature: Video game notability
Video game related articles fall under niche categories on Wikipedia: "Culture and the arts" and "Everyday life". Because of this, they are often required to demonstrate notability more than other topics. Wikipedia defines notability as "worthy of notice", and considers it distinct from fame, importance, and popularity. Though it is acknowledge to be related to fame and the like, it is important understand that being famous, important, or popular does not mean a video game article should be on Wikipedia.
Being notable means that a topic has "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Wikipedia's policy also stipulates that this only presumes to "satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." This means that though an article may meet the criteria on paper, it is up to the community to decide if a topic truly is notable and/or violates other policies such as WP:NOT. In short, just because a video game, character, or related topic exists, does not mean it should also exist as a Wikipedia article.
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If an article is a subarticle of a larger topic, merging it into the larger topic article is a more desirable action. For example, the main character of a video may not be notable, but has received some mentions in reviews. It would benefit both topics, the character and its video game, to include the content into the article of the video game; essentially using a small, weaker article to strengthen a larger more notable article.
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AfD is more of a last resort and is not always the best course of action to take.
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Could you do me a favour though, I'm currently waiting for a GA reviewer for Glengoyne Distillery so if you've a chance you think you could take that on?
A simple listy-ish method might be the simplest, because it makes sense to group the in-universe info with the design notes about it. Hopefully the info I'm dredging up for the Klingon article in terms of the early designs, and whenever I get around to improving Star Trek III should add some good design info for the D7 and Bird of Prey. I guess you could break it into "first appearances", so to speak, so you have Enterprise (D5), TOS (D7/BoP), et al. While you can probably talk all about merchandise, I doubt there will be any sort of "reception" per se (that's what I've found with the Klingons; they aren't really recieved, they just are.) If you ever need any help with polishing, call me. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)00:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, for the late response. I took a look at the article, Klingon starships, and the edits you've made look like the right direction to go. Organizing them by television series helps keep things in an out-of-universe perspective. There are only a few suggestions I have:
Change the headings from "era" to "series" to further keep things out-of-universe.
If the Enterprise ships aren't further expanded, I would remove the sub-headings to avoid undue weight, and just make it a paragraph or two.
A lot of fictional character lists have section on recurring characters. I looks like the Bird of Prey is the only recurring ship, but this may be something to consider.
I've been thinking about a way to get another gameplay screen in there. We really have two options:
1. Find some sort of critical commentary I can add to the gameplay section that would make a screen more relevant.
2. Replacing this image with a similar image in showing typical gameplay AND distance fog.
I've been leaning towards the second option. However, do you think shooting for BOTH choices is a viable option? Can you think of any "critical commentary" that would make the first option possible? --TorsodogTalk13:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Re: 'dem italics and whatnot
I wasn't aware of a franchise rule wiki-wide. The guidelines in [[
Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Trek]]'s guidelines specify italics when referring to the original series and plain formatting for the franchise. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)00:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
For whatever reason my 'Save to Web' function in Photoshop is coming out with slightly desaturated colors, so I'll see about uploading a new version with beefed up reds at some point. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)17:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I would say that the D7 CGI shot is not significantly different than the concept images that you could have both; most of the comments except the color are common to the design and final product. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)00:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I'll see about making the planet a little more shadowed so the text is easier to read at FT-size or thereabouts, but I guess if you're happy, I'm happy :) (Now I just need to make a really small Halo one... or do my homework :P) --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)22:04, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I've got Guilty Spark, but I was just messing around with the pen tool to make him, If I've still got the source file I could prolly' make him better... the Hunter I actually did over a photograph, so it's a derivative work and should prolly be deleted off commons. Either way, File:Fuchs-total war.png. --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)22:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Source
Please update the URL for the Kirk image you uploaded; I don't see that image anywhere on that site.
Furthermore, it would be useful to have some context for the image. Is it from a publicity package? For what year/season? A screenshot (doesn't look like it)? Camera test (is that his hair looks all greasy?)? Good for both the FUR and for the caption (which, yes, the infobox should have -- across 40+ years of the character, it's prudent to identify what it is we're looking at). Anyhow, if you need a couple of days, great; otherwise, I'll restore the older version until you can track that down. --EEMIV (talk) 00:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
This issue we are trying a new type of newsletter feature: "Featured editor". This is a chance to learn more about the various editors who contribute to the Video games project as well as the roles they fill. If you enjoyed this new feature and would like to see similar interviews in future issues, please drop us a note at the VG newsletter talk page.
David Fuchs (also known as Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs), is a long time video games editor that has written a large number of the project's Featured articles. He has been ranked high on Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations, and has assisted in reviewing and editing more many. Recently David has begun to assist with image reviews for Featured article candidates, and branched out into other types of articles in addition to video games. He can normally been seen on the project's talk page offering advice and his input on the various discussion taking place there.
What drew you to Wikipedia, and what prompted you to begin editing?
I got involved due in part to (I believe, my memory is fuzzy) finding the site while doing research for Advanced Placement Europen History during high school. My earliest contributions (in December 2005) were creating topics based on what I learned, as well as creating an article for my high school with another friend. I soon became involved with editing topics related to Halo video game franchise, specifically the article on the parasitic Flood.
What got you involved in writing Featured articles?
I think for most editors it's a shiny accomplishment you are striving for, and natural for most editors to try and get an FA. I first nominated an article for FA in 2007, after about a year of inactivity onwiki; it didn't pass as it was poorly written and didn't follow our guidelines for writing about fiction; I also took a couple of tries to get my first video game FA (Halo 2).
What article(s) are you most proud of writing or exemplifies your best work?
I suppose Myst is a sort of accomplishment I can point to; I started work on the article on May 2 2008, when it looked like this, and submitted it to Featured Article Candidates one day later. I think that's some kind of record, but I dunno. In terms of being a good read or something I'm very happy with, however, I'd have to look at my more recent work, specifically Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Bone Wars.
How do you pick the articles you work on?
Whatever hits me. There's many articles I haven't gotten around to editing and improving as planned because another article has caught my fancy.
What advice would you give to editors seeking to write quality articles?
In the words of one of my favorite cartoon characters when I was a child, "We must do reeea-search!" Even in video games, online sources don't usually cut it. Even after getting an article to FA, make sure you continually trawl the internet and elsewhere for more information to add to the topic.
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You're a good content contributor, so I don't see any issues there... they might want to see more participation at AfDs or at CSD, though (to demonstrate need for admin tools.) You can always dig up my RfA and see what was said (I don't really remember now.) --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)17:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm just a barrel full o' mystery monkeys, I guess :P You could just search for me on Facebook or summat' and guess which one is me (it's a more common name combo than even I thought.) --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)18:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
David Fuchs would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact David Fuchs to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/S@bre. If you accept the nomination, you must state and sign your acceptance. You may also choose to make a statement and/or answer the optional questions to supplement the information your nominator has given. Once you are satisfied with the page, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.
The RfA needs to be transcluded to WP:RFA if you are ready. Be sure to stick around for a while as the first few hours are usually the most important, so that you can respond to issues brought up quickly and swiftly. Gary King (talk)20:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Forgive me if this has already been asked and answered, but I'm pretty sure it is not possible to sysop someone with an @ sign in their name. Special:UserRights thinks you are trying to grant rights to the user called "S" on the wiki "bre" when you do that. I don't know if the crat interface works differently, but I think the capability of assigning user rights for names with @ signs went away a long time ago. --B (talk) 06:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Hello! Just a general comment, it pains me that some bad faith rivals of mine from the past wish to turn your oppose section into a battleground. I thought there are a number of positives about your editing, but still recall a number of AfDs that cause lingering concerns for me. Had no one else commented and you commented with a "I don't plan to close AfDs I might have a bias in," or "I have changed my opinions since then," etc., I would have simply moved to "neutral" or maybe "weak support," but instead people take the approach that makes one dig in and causes tensions. Even though I said several lines of positives, that I am willing to keep an open-mind, and hope that my concerns will be proven unfounded, editors take the needlessly hyperbole hostility approach rather than the kind of calm challenges that in the past actually have convinced me to change my mind. Despite now having to defend my position and go back and forth with non-neutral critics, I do nevertheless not bear ill will toward you and wish you luck if it does pass. How anyone can read that oppose as anything more than "I see a number of positives, but am just concerned about some AfD work. Nevertheless, maybe the candidate will work out fine" is beyond me. So, anyway, don't let those trying to escalate things there make you lose spirits. I have some faith that you could work out okay in any event. So, have a nice day! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk17:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Sabre, I am reviewing your article, Steve Purcell, for GA and have entered some comments at Talk:Steve Purcell/GA1. The article is very competently written and well referenced, but I do think, that since the article subject is a "comic book writer, animator and game designer" and his main work is "a pair of anthropomorphic animal vigilantes and private investigators" as the lead says, that this should be expanded in the article body and his work described, and its professional impact evaluated. Please feel free to contact me with comments or questions. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 00:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
As indicated in my reply to you on my talk page, while writing the review I realized that leaving out almost all description of Steve Purell's body of work goes to the comprehensiveness of the article, failing a major GA standard. Sorry to be so disjointed in my communication of this. However, an article on an artist needs to address his work. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 13:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Disdain for video game editors
Feel free to edit whatever types of articles you want on Wikipedia. Oh, wait, you already know that. And, you know what, even if you were 15 years old, it wouldn't be something to hold against you for adminship, so don't bite when that's a critique. One of my favorite editors and administrators on Wikipedia probably has yet to reach his majority. Video games and pop culture celebrities are a valid part of an online encyclopedia, and editing these articles well is a challenge with all of the lame vandalism that goes on in those areas--you're welcome to them. --KP Botany (talk) 22:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, you asked for it. Now go do some work. Seriously, check in on the BLP violations board, err on the side of the deleting when it's not sourced, be polite, and don't do any edit summaries that show every else just how rude en.wiki admins are. --KP Botany (talk) 03:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Shockingly enough, I've never played the Monkey Island games. The depth of my adventure game experience is the Myst series and Carmen Sandiego games when I was a kid. Have you found any sources which offer a name for the rough time period? --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)00:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Pop over to the 'crat noticeboard; it appears that a rename isn't necessarily a requirement for your RfA to pass. Entirely your call whether you want the rename or not, and in no way impacts your RfA. EVula// talk // ☯ //06:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Congrats
Seeing as though your rfa should be closed in about 20 minutes, let me be the first to tell you congratulations on your rfa passing, I know you'll use the tools wisely.--Giants27TC18:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I am pleased to let you know that, consensus reached, you are now an Administrator. You should find the following forums useful:
Hey, a deletion spree this early could land you at Rfar... you could set the record for shortest amount of time before abuse of the tools and desysopping! That would throw the WT:RFA chaps for a whorl. :P --Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk)20:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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Who needs pie when you can have cake! Congratz Sabre on your RFA. I am happy to see you have been selected and am sure you will make a great admin. Now go celebrate with some cake. Cheers! Smallman12q (talk) 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations on your successful request for adminship. I am glad you passed, and you are welcome for the support. For information on using your new tools, see the school for new admins; you will find it very useful. Good luck! Acalamari21:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to extend my congratulations too. I don't usually poke around on RfA's, so I missed it. But I can't think of anyone more deserving of the tools than you. Randomran (talk) 22:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5)
Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll.
Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block.
Adding my congrats as well. Welcome to the club. (Also, next time make sure you read the talk page template, 810 is my sock, and I would rather not receive messages there if at all possible.) TomStar81 (Talk) 05:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
No, the syntax you added to the image (my bad for pointing to the wrong thing). It went from [[File:Foo.jpg]] to [[File:Foo.jpg|link=Bar]]. Do you know when "link=Bar" was added? --Izno (talk) 13:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
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Half a cat, half a cat, half a cat onward...
I'd use the analogy of the police, with the extremely poor inclusion of a cat. If someone beats up a cat, they may be warned and briefly detained by the police—the block. If they then attempt to kill the cat, they are arrested and prosecuted—the ban.
I saw your note to Sandy. Don't get discouraged. FAC can be rough (although I see you survived RfA unscathed so you must have thick skin already) but most of us are there to make sure the best content gets featured. If it doesn't pass, then you have a handy worklist to get it through the next time. Good luck. --Laser brain(talk)22:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
That's good news. I'm not thinking the sourcing is a problem as of now. I'll try to look at the prose today and maybe we can get this thing passed. --Laser brain(talk)19:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Whoops! Sorry about that - I am rereading it to see if I have further comments. Struck my others - not sure how I missed it before. Thanks, Ruhrfisch><>°°20:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
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I just wanted to ask, is it ok if I nick the layout of your userpage? I've been admiring it for a while. Thanks in advance. :) Pyrrhus1618:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi S@bre, while the Dutch Republic was in decline from 1713, it officially lasted until 1795. They were temporarily "powerful and influential" for 13 years or 26 Empire: Total War turns (1/8 of the game time) - afterwards they still held reasonable strength politically, economically and military wise. 'Creative Assembly' only selected factions that were "interesting and significant" in the era of colonization and imperialism. Thus, the United Provinces was picked, and their importance is reflected in the game - but not on this wikipedia article. I feel that is not telling readers the truth about Empire: Total War, and accounting only specifically for history. The webpage is not about historical fact.
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