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Merry Christmas!

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In Him was life, and that life was the Light of men. John 1:4 KJV

Dear Thunderboltz,
Love came to a stable on that very special night to bring us out of darkness into His glorious light. May Jesus touch your life with gladness and warm your heart with love as we celebrate His birth. I hope you have a Blessed Christmas, AnupamTalk 06:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Your'e very welcome! Thanks for the warm greetings as well. I hope you enjoy the holidays as well. With regards, AnupamTalk 06:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


A Merry Christmas to you Deepu. I'll see you again in the New Year. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey Deeps! Merry X'Mas ...again! --hydkat 07:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thanks... nice image! --hydkat 09:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Merry Xmas, and happy new year!--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

that was my page, i just wasn't logged in.

Christmas and New year greetings. Enjoy your holidays -- PlaneMad|YakYak 09:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Wish you and your loved ones a Merry Christmas. Jisha (Talk) 11:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Wish you and your family a very Happy Christmas and New Year 2007. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Awwww. How nice of you. enthathiSayamE ninte snEham! :-D Hope you've, um, had a merry Christmas! --Kuaichik 22:21, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On December 26, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hortus Malabaricus, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions!! Nishkid64 01:17, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

kerala wikipeople

Hi, hop u rembr me... add me also to kerala wikipedians, as i saw 'This article is maintained by the Kerala workgroup' in the article Mani Madhava Chakyar, which is maintained mostly by me! Sreekanthv 08:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy birthday

Twin wishes for a Happy New Year and Happy Birthday on Jan 1. (I will be on vacation, so the advance wishes) =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:55, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


A belated Merry Christmas :P Did some copyediting of the two articles but don't know much about either subject. The language of Culture of Thiruvananthapuram needs to be toned down. There is some extreme stuff like "Rajaravivarma ... stands at the cross-roads of Indian art history" :-) The portal looks very good. Tintin (talk) 15:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

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added to Low Art Thrill page including links to relevant artists on Wikipedia. Much of their product is still available on eBay if you wish to check it. I first came across them on MTV's video vote ( they came second - boo!)

That's all thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 22:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC).

Happy (Early) Birthday!

If I remember correctly, your birthday is coming up tomorrow. I decided to give you a birthday gift just a little early.

In your honor, I have translated the entirety of the Cheraman Juma Masjid article into Spanish. I have also started translating Ankur (film) into Spanish, though at this point it only includes the first sentence :-P

Happy Birthday and Happy New Year! --Kuaichik 06:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday Deepu, Hope this ones the best and they get even better! Thanks for the invite for kerala wikipedians and the invaluable tools you left, I truly do appreciate it.--Kathanar 07:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, both of you (though it is still a few days away...)! Smile-tpvgames.gif Hope you guys have a great '007 ahead!--thunderboltz(Deepu) 07:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

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Sorry if i had overstepped some wikipedia rules as it was not intentional and would not be repeated in the future.

I will surely look to contribute something more wortwile in future.

Thanks for your message anyhow.

Have a happy new year

Regards —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ciiindia (talkcontribs) 11:45, 29 December 2006 (UTC).


Created that many articles now. Far cry from the good old days (when you welcomed me to wiki).Bakaman 19:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi Deepu,

I'm back from Iraq! Now I can try and be a more active participant in Wikipedia. Anyway, I did a major rewrite (most of it, not all) of the Nair article. Could you go through and check it out? Give me a few pointers and some opinions? Also, I'm kinda clueless about adding references. I think I can sorta do it by using the <ref> tag, but I'm still not sure how I go about adding references to the article (since they didn't show up at the bottom when I put them in). Thanks! --Vivin Paliath (വിവി൯ പാലിയത്) 02:40, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 30 December, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert Bristow, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Sam Blanning(talk) 13:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Very belated Merry Christmas

I wish you a very belated Merry Christmas. Sincerely, --BostonMA talk 16:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Happy Birthday from the Birthday Committee

Wishing Thunderboltz/Archive 14 a very happy birthday on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!

Don't forget to save us all a piece of cake!

(I am doing this early because I will be busy on the first SFriendly.gif) Bearly541 03:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday
HAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPYYYYYY BIRTH/NEW YEARS DAY ;) --hydkat 15:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
yes we do... :) btw...been to Raigad, Sindhudurg and Jaigad and a temple called Ganpatipule. National highway #17 is too cool man! --hydkat 20:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday and a Happy New Year

I see you already have been wished a happy birthday from the Birthday committee but not from Esperanza, so here it is:

Wikipedia wishes you a Happy Birthday!!

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All the best

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Esperanza doesnt exist anymore so you where one of the last ones to have a Esperanza birthday! Dep. Garcia ( Talk | Help Desk | Complaints ) 17:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy birthday and happy new year from me too :) Tintin (talk) 16:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Belated Happy BirthdayActivevoid07:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome

It was my pleasure. Thanks for wishing me a Happy New Year. :-) | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 13:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

News revert

Hi. Per your WP:ITN revert, what do you make of this Reuters story? —Wknight94 (talk) 15:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah ha! Good catch. —Wknight94 (talk) 15:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Nair and Ezhava

The Nair article lacks a lot of references. I've added a couple, but more could be done. Should I put an "unreferenced" template on it? Secondly, I'm having a problem with the Ezhava article. I just gave it a cursory glance and found it very unencyclopedic, lacking references, and also full of POV. I rewritten some of it, but there seems to be an individual ( who insists on "removing Nair references" and adding in POV. Maybe you could take a look (I know you've got a ton on your plate, so take your time! :))--Vivin Paliath (വിവി൯ പാലിയത്) 00:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you for your support in the RfA on my behalf. It is an honor to have received your expression of confidence. To be chosen as an administrator requires a high level of confidence by a broad section of the community. Although I received a great deal of support, at this time I do not hold the level of confidence required, and the RfA did not pass. It is my wish that I will continue to deserve your confidence. Sincerely, --BostonMA talk 16:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you know?

Did you know that Hortus Malabaricus didn't use Malayalam type, as you wrongly said? It has engravings which contain names of plants in Malayalam, Sanskrit etc. but no Malayalam type was cast nor used for printing the book. The appearance of Malayalam in print and use of Malayalam type are hugely different. None of the sources quoted under Hortus Malabaricus says that the book used Malayalam types. Please stop spreading misinformation in order to increase number of DYKs to your credit. Also note that no Malyalam translation of the book has been done or published as you added in the article. How could you interpret the University's decision to publish one as publication itself? Radkris 06:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The statements given by Itty Achutan in Hortus Malabaricus is indeed the first instance of Malayalam types being used for printing. period. Also, you are requested to refrain from posting nonsense about me all over the internet. Attempts at stalking an editor could get you banned.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 14:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Now, that is plainspeak although a bit original. You say, " the statements given by Itty Achutan in Hortus Malabaricus is indeed the first instance of Malayalam types being used for printing. period.". Your "period" sounds funny. Don't expect others to believe you because it is user:Deepujoseph saying.
Vishwa Vinjana Kosham, an encylcopedia published by Sahitya Pravarthaka Sahakaran Sangham in April 1970, says on pp 122-123 of its first volume (under the headword- Acchadi Keralathil) that the Latin, Arabic, Sanskrit and Malayalam names in Hortus Malabaricus were not printed in the modern way. The article further describes how they were printed. Drawings were made on paper and names in four languages were written beside the drawing. Blocks were made of this. And the article has the image of a testimony of a vaidya as appears in the book and it is described in no uncertain terms that even this testimony was printed in the described manner. And none of the sources referred mentions the use of types. I don't know and don't care for your "all over the internet" business. Your block threat to one who points out your blunder is very unseemly. Radkris 16:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't expect anyone to take anything I say for granted. The "period" signifies that I'm not interested in discussing with you any further. Further, on the issue at hand, I really dont need to tell you that Wikipedia is a wiki and that anyone is free to make changes. My source for the above disputed DYK entry, is K Sreedhara Menon. (1999). Kerala History and its makers. S Vishwanathan Pvt. Ltd. pp. pp. 154–155.  It states that the testimonies by the Indian authors of the book are given in Nagri and Malayalam. These statements include a summary of each of their contributions to the compilation of Hortus Malabaricus. These summaries, it goes on to say, were the first instance of Malayalam types being used for printing.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 18:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
So you have that book and you referred it now to make the note above (with the pp), don't you? The book and its author are unknown to me. And there is absolutely no Internet pages with information on it. Surprising for a book in English published in 1999, isn't it? Now for everyone's use can you quote the ISBN? Or can you please upload a scan of its cover? There is another known historian named A. Sreedhara Menon. He has a book titled A SURVEY OF KERALA HISTORY published by S.Viswanathan (Printers & Publishers) Pvt.Ltd. You can have a look at the title here. [1]. Now it is too late. I will talk to a few historians tomorrow and collect information about the book you mentioned. Forgot to ask, did you get the Malayalam translation of Hortus? Radkris 18:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

de-intentWas the whole point of this exercise just to point out that I misspelled the author's name in the citation on the Hortus Malabaricus page? I don't see how my understanding of the word Hortus in Malayalam is relevant to this discussion. Either way, the meaning is given on the page.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 18:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

So you misspelled the author's name and the whole title of the book? And still remembered the publisher, year of publishing, the pages, and the exact reference etc? Sounds funny. Now, one thing you could do to dispel doubt on the source is to quote the relevant part from the book (just one or two sentences or even upload a scanned image of the page. (There is a commonsense aspect to the quesstion. Do a google images search for Hortus Malabaricus and see some images. For exmaple here is one[2]. Use of type means uniformity of a character- a ക would look alike in all its instances and letters should normally appear in a straight line. All the images speak enough to disprove the use of types, even for a layman's view. This should convince you if you are not bent on proving yourself right. Please don't evade the question of the Malayalam version of Hortus Malabaricus, which you say is there and I say is not there. I have corrected the wrong spelling both of us used. Radkris 08:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I misspelled only the initial of the author's name. As I've already quoted in my previous reply, The contributions made by each of the native scholars to the compilation of the volumes are set forth in their own statements included in the book. The statements by the Gouda Saraswath scholars are given in Nagri script and that of Itty Achuthan in Malayalam. Incidentally, the statement by Itty Achuthan is the first instance of Malayalam types being used for printing. You are advised to assume good faith and to stop further trolling.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 10:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Your good faith assumption is too one way, it seems. But this matter will be discussed, either here or outside. You can choose which way you want. Your nonchalance is not good in such an issue. You have given a part of your above post in italics. What does it mean? Were you quoting from a book? If you were, which book? I have talked to several experts and none has heard about a book named Kerala History and its makers by A. Sreedhara Menon. Further, the alleged publisher has no such title in their list. See here [3]. While the one by A. Sreedhara Menon seen there (A Survey of Kerala History) has dozens of Internet pages mentioning it the book you say is there has not a single mention anywhere on the web. How come? If you are quoting from a book, you need to clearly state that. Non-committal halfway statements can only cloud the real facts and believe me, they can't also hide them for long. Radkris 12:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The part in italics is indeed quoted from the book. Also, it is common sense to understand that a noted historian such as Sreedhara Menon has written more than one book. What about Cultural Heritage of Kerala (1978) and Social and cultural history of Kerala (1979)—do they also not exist per your argument?
The third revised edition of Kerala History and its makers (which I have with me presently) was published by S Vishwanathan. Earlier editions (1987, 1990) might have been done by other publishers. You can see the book being cited as a reference here. The preface of the book says (that) it was inspired by the "Museum of Kerala History and its makers" in Kochi.
Also, could you please clarify where "outside" means?--thunderboltz(Deepu) 13:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Good, the book exists. Now, we will see who blundered, Sreedhara Menon or one who quoted him. If I get banned here(as you repeatedly suggest) the matter will be further discussed on my blog. If you quoted him rightly I will have the added liability of exposing Mr. Menon's blunder. This won't be hard because one who can clarify best on this book is a Keralite. The pictures I mentioned can't lie. Radkris 15:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The first instance of Malayalam type being used for printing

Which is “the first instance of Malayalam type being used for printing” may be disputed. Robin Jeffrey says that, Benjamin Bailey, founder of the Church Missionary Society press in Kottayam in 1821, was less flamboyant, but cut the first Malayalam types in Kerala, built a wooden press to complement the original press imported from Britain and compiled an English-Malayalam dictionary and According to Bishop Thomas Mar Themotheos, president, Kerala Auxiliary of the Society, the history of Malayalam bible is closely linked to the evolution of Malayalam printing and print language and even the evolution of the script. The first four books of the New Testament were translated into Malayalam in the early 19th century. In the absence of Malayalam fonts, one of the translators, Thimmappilla, had to go all the way to Bombay to cast Malayalam fonts. He completed the printing in 1811. Again, Dr. Bailey had to create his own wooden press to print his version of the Gospel according to Mathew in 1825. Perhaps, these two are not contradictory at all ( Bailey cut it in Kerala, Thimmappilla did it from Bombay) Wikipedia article has a dubious assertion that The first work published in Europe on Malayalam is Alphabetum grandonico-malabaricum sive samscrudonicum, published in 1772. The types were prepared by Clemente Peani, while the references given in the article do not say anything about “types”. But the fact that Malayalam types were not used in the printing of Hortus Malabaricus should be obvious. The Malayalam letters were printed in it using the same technique used for printing skethes of leaves and flowers. One will have to go to a museum in Netherlands to see the plates. I will ask anyone from India who is supporting this claim to atleast visit the Sreemoolam Library, Thiruvannathapuram, look at the original book preserved there and apply some common sense. The editor who has inserted this does not understand what a Movable type is and has either misquoted from a book or does not know what a reliable source is. ( Sreedhara Menon can at best write good guides for college students) El elan 09:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

abt indulekha......

hi im manu...frm Ahmd.... ll u explain more abt indhulekha nd d social nd cultural aspects of dat era nd nair women of dat time.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 08:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

Hello Manu. I think User_talk:Tintin1107 would be able to answer this question much better to you. Regards,--thunderboltz(Deepu) 10:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop your prank

Stop your prank. Your marking socks. Plainly, you are uncomfortable at my pointing out your blunder, aren't you? This is very ungraceful. You will be pushing me to discuss the matter on my blog and other forums, if you continue thus. Radkris 16:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

er...WP:AGF? Tongue.png Further, I made no blunder. All you did was point out a source that conflicts with what mine says. Also, did you not notice my edit summary while I marked you as a ban-evading sock of User:Kuntan?--thunderboltz(Deepu) 18:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

A nice way to evade difficult questions. You blundered here and you often blunder in articles related to Kerala. For example you write that Vasco da Gama was the first European to come to India in Malayalama Wikipedia article on Gama. [4]"ഇന്ത്യയില്‍ എത്തിയ ആദ്യ യൂറോപ്യന്‍ എന്ന ബഹുമതി വാസ്കോ ഡി ഗാമക്കാണ്." You think this also is fact? This is not an error who has an inkling of a history of Kerala would make. I again say please stop spreading misinformation. Radkris 08:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, that I agree was a blunder on my part. I am still not very comfortable typing in Malayalam. That sentence must've taken me one whole minute to type, during which I left out "സമുദ്രമാര്‍ഗം" (directly from Europe to India by sea, that is). Though I do not appreciate your stalking or indecent comments against me, I do want to thank you for spotting that one.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 09:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Wiki-sammaanam + Template

Geeeez. SaTaa!. You sure take a lot of flack. I took a look at your talk page because I wanted to ask you about something, when I noticed the long discussions with Radkris...hence the award that is now on your user page. I'm sorry you've had to put up with so much after my last message.

Anyway, what I actually came to ask you has nothing to do with that! I was wondering whether it's possible to translate a template into another language? (I just created a Spanish article on Pather Panchali yesterday. I'm thinking of making another on the Apu Trilogy ((la) Trilogía de Apu), but it would be nice if I could include a template listing Ray's films in Spanish.) --Kuaichik 05:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thank you so much! You even looked up the word for "template"! --Kuaichik 05:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I was just wondering about one thing, though. I translated the template into Spanish, and it is now available on the Satyajit Ray and Pather Panchali pages. But I noticed that the template seems to not display its actual content; instead, you have to click on "Desplegar" ("Unfold") in order to display the names of the movies involved. Does this happen on this Wikipedia as well? Does it have something to do with the fact that none of the links in the template have been created (except for Pather Panchali)? --Kuaichik 07:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that's weird. They just took off the "(Des)plegar" thing, too (so it just looks like a normal template)! How strange (but convenient!!). --Kuaichik 07:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
"they" njan ayirunnu.
Well, that would explain that fix! Thank you so much (again)! --Kuaichik 07:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I've left another award for you. Even if you didn't actually translate much into Spanish, you did create an account on the Spanish Wikipedia and fix the template...your willingness to help other Wikipedians is simply stunning! --Kuaichik 08:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh...heh, heh...I thought you were just being modest :-P Sorry! --Kuaichik 18:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


I noticed on my talk page you said I defamed another person. I'm new to Wikipedia. How? Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).

Oh yeah, sorry about that. I saw that on some website and thought it was relevent, but realized that it was heresay.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).

Ezhava article

The Ezhava article is really getting out of hand. There are the makings of a revert war. I've been trying to clean it up and make it encyclopedic, but my efforts are being hindered by reverts and allegations of "caste war" and "caste bias" on my side. I'm having a hard time keeping up with it (also, I'm on vacation now, and don't have constant access to the internet). Could you help me out? Or maybe get some other people to help out (if you are busy with other suff)? Essentially, I've been going through removing POV and rewriting a lot of stuff to make it sound more like an encyclopedic article. --Vivin Paliath (വിവി൯ പാലിയത്) 07:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I won't be able to contribute for a while now, since I am going to be on vacation. But I am going to try and stop by once in a while. --Vivin Paliath (വിവി൯ പാലിയത്) 04:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe I did set one up sometime ago. Anyway, it's just my :) --Vivin Paliath (വിവി൯ പാലിയത്) 07:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

barnstar for you

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I'll never forget your kindess which includes your warm welcome to me when I first came alongside all the kind help you've given. Nadirali 20:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

You deserve it! Nadirali 15:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed this award, too. But Nadirali's comment above is true! :-P
Interesting how this award is the same kind as the first of three that I gave you. :-D --Kuaichik 16:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Pakistani nationalism

The article has been protected after a POV user made this edit. The edit war that caused protection began with this same edit and everyone else was reverting it back to its older accepted version for a long time. Does this allow for the old version to be restored or will it be considered wrong to do so during protection. You can judge the NPOV of the two versions yourself, the bulk of the older version was written by a Pakistani user who believed Pakistan won the Kargil War so its not as if its Hindu POV pushing. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 06:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I was certainly hoping LRMB would be GA, then be PRd and then go for FAC, its going to fail I believe on the lack of detail in the production section which all other movies have got, it was a bad idea but I guess we don't need a peer review anymore after this, I'll try and adress the issues and get a few support votes. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 21:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


Im currently in 12th in toc-h—Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgy11 (talkcontribs)

sure man no prob...


Thanks for your welcome. Karnan 03:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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sections have been copied in Mamankam_festival please see this and then decide. --ചള്ളിയാന്‍ 13:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC) you can ask someone to translate the മാമാങ്കം in mal wiki. which is a far better article.

Plantilla:Satyajit Ray

Bad news. The template is being nominated for deletion. What a shame! And after all the effort you went through! (Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm being too complimentary again, whatever...:-D)

I will try to see whether I can get it to stay. Unfortunately, the Spanish Wikipedia has a set of clear-cut rules regarding templates on one page (I can't seem to find quite that sort of thing on the English Wikipedia). I seem to have violated two rules but am criticized only for violating one of them; I think I can justify the existence of the template with regard to that rule.

The other rule includes this provision: "Navigation templates will be limited to a maximum size...Horizontal ones may not exceed three lines of links, without counting the usual heading." Does this rule exist on the English Wikipedia? --Kuaichik 16:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I give up. The user who has nominated it for deletion is saying that it should be deleted because it does not follow the rules of the Spanish Wikipedia. He says that the English Wikipedia uses templates much more than the Spanish Wikipedia does but also that the Spanish Wikipedia tries to avoid the English Wikipedia's broad usage of templates.
How can I argue with that? I think I'll have to give in ASAP and allow it to be deleted. :( --Kuaichik 04:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
It's been deleted now. --Kuaichik 05:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, it's OK. At least the user who nominated it for deletion was very courteous about it (nothing like those German Wikipedians who nominated two articles I created for deletion).
In fact, he even created the Spanish equivalent of the "Films directed by Satyajit Ray" category. If the Spanish Wikipedia were to accept a list, it would probably have to be on a different page.
I think probably they don't like templates because they do take up space, and it's a little hard to tell if a page is a stub or not (when such a long template is there). My guess is that the vast difference in policies (and number of articles) is due to the formation of the Enciclopedia Libre by former Spanish Wikipedians; I would guess this departure prompted Spanish Wikipedians to focus more on quality. (Notice also that, ironically, Esperanza does not have a Spanish version). --Kuaichik 22:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanx for your concern

Hi Brother. I've read ur mail, and i'm thanking for ur regards. I'm a novice to this place. i would like to know more about wiki's facilities and all. My areas of interests are economics, stock market, india, kerala, and politics ofcource. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nubin wiki (talkcontribs) 10:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

User creation log

The user creation log only goes back so far; older accounts don't appear in it. For instance, you won't find my account in it. Warofdreams talk 23:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Searching for Deepu in Special:Listusers should give the correct result. There are 108 users whose name start with Deepu only four of whom have a home page. Tintin (talk) 02:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Page move

Hello Sir. Could you please perform the following page move: Hindkowans --> Hindkowan people . Your assistance will be greatly appreciated in this matter. With regards, AnupamTalk 01:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Done.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 13:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much. With regards, AnupamTalk 03:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Delhi FAC comments

Could you please see Blacksun's comments in the FAC? I guess we need some die hard Delhiite to take care of the culture section. Please help. I am also requesting some others. You can communicate with your known people as well. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Damage and Arrangements

Need a good laugh? Check this out: [5] --hydkat 23:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Zamorin to Samoothiri

Please make the change. I fully support your move. Chanakyathegreat 16:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it Samoothiri or Samoothiri paddu in Malayalam? Please do a small check before making the move. Chanakyathegreat 16:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...I dont know. I made the comment so long back, that I'm having second thoughts. Maybe "Zamorin" isnt a bad idea either. I'm currently on a wikibreak, and am indulging in only very light editing. We'll discuss this at length later. Hope that is fine with you.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 19:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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That the racist vandal who attacked you on your talk page has been blocked [6] after I reported his behavior. Some people, huh? --Tenebrae 16:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Pic delete

I saw from the history that you'd deleted the pic from K. G. Balakrishnan article. I took the picture from Supreme Court website and I thought all GOI websites are copyright free! Or am I wrong?? --Natrajdr 19:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification --Natrajdr 08:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help

Thank you for your help Deepu Joseph, I am very appreciative. You are the first person I have met on wikipedia. It is wonderful to get in contact with a high ranking administrator such as yourself. Just out of curiosity, I was wondering how you knew of my contributions? have you seen my articles on the Did you know consideration page? Yours Truly, Anonymous Dissident.

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I do not wish to bother you thunderboltz, but I was wanting to submit some of my articles, all of which I am confident are over 1000 words and that are referanced properly, to Did You Know for the main page. I did so, and submited them to this page, under the subheading of January 19. I was just wondering if I have done this correctly. Thank you so much for your help.Anonymous Dissident.

Hi again, thank you for your helpful assisstance.

I have taken on board what you have said about the citing, and have seen to it that I fixed the matter straight away. If time permits, do you think it might be possible that you, as an admin, view the following articles just one more time to see if they have been cited to your satisfaction:

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I was hoping you could contribute to a page on Rachel Paulose, a prominent Malayali in Minnesota.Bakaman 00:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


Get well soon, buddy. deeptrivia (talk) 14:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Yup. Get well soon...--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning, as well as for your kind comments accompanying your !vote. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 19:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Taj Mahal RFC

I've filed an RFC relating to the Taj Mahal at Talk:Taj Mahal#Request for Comment: Inclusion of minority points of view. Your comments would be welcome. Joopercoopers 18:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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Nair article

Hello Deepu,

I understand you are busy, but I was wondering if you could intervene in the Nair article? On the talk page, I have given my reasons for classifying the Nairs as Sudras. The reference is from Indulekha by O. Chandumenon (he is a Nair as well, and I would expect, an authority on the subject). While it is true that the caste system in Kerala was very different from the ones in the rest of India, Nairs were still treated as untouchable (and therefore, Sudra) by Namboothiris, be as it may, that they were a martial class. However, this fact seems to be unappetizing for some who want to romanticize or glorify. Repeated reverts, deletions and edits are taking place. These are mostly made by anonymous/new users. My request to stop these actions (on the talk page) have gone unheeded. I was wondering if you could semi-protect the article and restrict from new/anon users. Thanks! Oh, and get well soon! --Vivin Paliath (വിവി൯ പാലിയത്) 20:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your prompt action! And this is long overdue, but I'd like to award you this barnstar (I hope this is the right place for it):
Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For being extremely helpful and going the extra mile! You've always been ready to lend a hand and you've gone out of your way to help out! Also, thank you for introducing me to the large community of India-and-Kerala-related articles! Vivin Paliath (വിവി൯ പാലിയത്) 19:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Unspecified source for Commons:Image:Pookalam.jpg

Thanks for uploading Commons:Image:Pookalam.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.

As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 15:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. —Angr 15:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Please go ahead and delete it. It was uploaded from the Malayalam Wikipedia. Only later did I realise that none of the image policies are implemented there. So, chances are it is copyrighted.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 15:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


The total invisibility of your user and talk pages apart from the phoenix is a bit daunting! It was a pity you decided to block a 2 items of vandalism a/c as it has come to the attention of some in western australia that we have a compulsed blocked user who has been creating accounts despite blocks and so on - so i was curious to have seeen further vndlsms and where they were going. Sfunny the phoenix photo reminds me of a stone/pseudo cement? gardua in the taman sari area south of the yogyakarta kraton - in central java. oh well - with an impervious identity like yours - you must either be prone to have regular vndlsms - but gee its a bit offputting! SatuSuro 15:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahh.. the account was obviously created only to target a single user. Hence my block.
Regarding my user and talk pages, I agree, it is a bit daunting. I'm afraid I have to leave it that way for a few more days till some issues have been resolved.--thunderboltz(TALK) 15:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Thats fine - I appreciate the explanation - hope things get reolved - and hey enjoy it while you have it like this - theres something very i ching like about phoenix - wow I'm sure the feng shui would be even more significant. anyway thanks for explaining SatuSuro 15:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back?

Hope I'm not jumping the gun in welcoming you back :) Good to see you here again! --vi5in[talk] 21:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I thought you had a wiki burnout. Good to see you editing again --Agεθ020 (ΔTФC) 18:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you mind me welcoming you back, too? I hope we're not bothering you with all these messages. I'm very glad to see you're editing again; I will wait patiently for you to resolve the "issues" you speak of. --Kuaichik 05:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Back back back? Wow. Great!--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Great to see u back!! Sorry I couldnt call the other day as I got delayed to catch the flight. Will call once I am back — Lost(talk) 13:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, all. I hope to be back in full form soon.--thunderboltz(TALK) 13:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)




Thanks for issuing notice to Hemendra. swadhyayee 06:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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re :)

Hey thanks for the B'day greet... I always liked those candles! :) --hydkat 19:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking my user page, but no thanks.

Why No Notice Was Issued to this "Swadhyayee?" in the first place when he disparaged my user page and a notice was issued to me when I reported that FACT on his user page


Thanks for taking care of my user page. swadhyayee 19:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

no problemo. ;-)--thunderboltz(TALK) 14:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Hello, Thunderboltz! Please take a peek at this and tell me what you think! Protect Tomato Rights!(sign the petition!)


Hey... Well, I am picking up the categories to be tagged from WP:INAUTO. Let me know which categories you dont want to be tagged. Or else, just delete those categories from that page. That way, there will not be a chance for me to pick them. Feel free to remove where you think the tagging is redundant... Nice to see u online. Hope u keep it that way! — Lost(talk) 17:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


You voted for Thums Up, this week's Indian Collaboration of the Week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. - Aksi_great (talk) 07:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


Please see [7] Jisha (Talk) 09:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh man!


Thank god you're here! I was about to put some requests on WP:RM. I think Ezhava is the original version. At least that's the one I remember it to be. Anyway, there is also a problem with Nair. Currently Thiyyar is the one that Nair was moved to, and it has the pertinent history also. Could you move it back to Nair? I think it was just copied over a redirect to Nair. Second, Talk:Nair is redirected to something else, and the actual content of the page is at Nair:Talk. Then there's List of Nairs. The talk page of which goes to List of Nair Tharavadus, which I think can be deleted or moved back. Yeah, it's a huge mess; Virkshatriya made sure of that. Also my userpage has been moved and protected but the history is lost :( But no big deal, it's the articles I am concered about. --vi5in[talk] 18:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see that you fixed it all :) Thanks! And good to have you back, dude! --vi5in[talk] 18:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Page was deleted with no warning

The page MySpace Secret Shows was deleted with no warning after it was recreated. It was deleted again but this time it had all of the necessary things (notablity) it needed to not be deleted could you please look at it or bring it back. Martini833 19:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

  • This may be a lot to ask but could you put up the notice for me because i do not know how to. I would greatly aprreciate it. And could you bing the page back up for an hour or so so i can show you the notability stuff and so i can prove that deleting it was uncivil. (By the way it was not exactly recreated it was recreated with new notability confirming links) Again i would GREATLY appreciate this.Martini833 20:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Could you tell me if the page has good sources because as an admin you have the final word so i couldnt say anything abut it really because its deleted. P.S. can u tell me what you think of the page and whta you think should be added deleted...Martini833 20:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I dont think either of them are answering and there is also a MySpace Secret Stand-Up so i dont think it should be merged or maybe it should be a page called MySpace Secret Performances or somethingMartini833 20:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very, very, very much. I am in the process of getting you nstar which you undoubtably deserve. No wonder you're an admin! Martini833 21:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I did what you told me to do now are you allowed to bring it back or how does that work??Martini833 21:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

U are an admin so could you undelete the articleMartini833 22:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

can you voice your opinion on the deletion revisionMartini833 01:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

  • thank you. i have added the requirements so i think tht the deletion review should be ended and my page should go back up. There seems to be no more responses but by the time you see this there may be. O yeah and on my user page that you can access through my talk page (the one you posted) i updated it with all the things i said and more besides pictures which wot show upMartini833 17:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ananthabhadram

Thanks. Aditya Kabir 19:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Can you help me to put Malayalam script to the name of the film? I don't know the script. But, I feel, without it the article remains incomplete. Aditya Kabir 20:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)