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Hello, 4444hhhh, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Linking Ungulates[edit]

Forgive me, but, I don't think it's necessary to place a template linking to all of the ungulate pages on all of the ungulate pages. At the very least, it doesn't seem appropriate to have links about whales on pages only about giraffes or perissodactyls. Your current template is too large and unwieldy, too. It should be refined.--Mr Fink 03:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be better if we worked on an ungulate portal, instead of having all those links cluttering up the pages?--Mr Fink 03:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

templates[edit]

Just so you know, if something exists as a template you can add it to an article without adding all the code, you an just add {{Template:Birds}} instead. Much simpler. I've been changing the order articles to refelect this. Interesting idea having the orders on the footer, I'd been thinking about this myself, but hadn't done anything about it. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

And even easier, you can leave off "template:" as so: {{Equidae}} - UtherSRG (talk) 12:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
But please don't stick {{Birds}} in the birds template. It just creates a loop. Eeekster (talk) 02:08, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

{{Carnivora}}[edit]

Please don't subst navigation templates. It makes maintaining the template extremely difficult. Zetawoof(ζ) 04:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I've deleted Carnivora Template which I assume you mistakenly created before you created {{Carnivora}}. If the same sort of situation happens again, please let an administrator know so that the page can be deleted or simply add {{db-user}} to the page. Thanks, Pascal.Tesson 04:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Drawings[edit]

Hi, you are welcome to use my drawings on your website as long as proper attribution as requested by the license is provided (ex: Artwork by ArthurWeasley from Wikipedia). Cheers. ArthurWeasley 22:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! From User:4444hhhh

Smarters[edit]

You can upload your own images simply by going through the Wikipedia:Upload page. ArthurWeasley 05:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC) Thanks agian! From User:4444hhhh

Yep, just follow the link. Choose between the different possibilities (in the case of your personal drawings, should be under "my own work"). Select the file you want to upload and select the license of your choice. Hope this helps. ArthurWeasley 19:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, your image needs to be digitalized and saved into your computer in order to be uploaded onto a web page. A scanner would be good, may be you can ask people around you to use one. Another alternative is to take a digital picture of your drawing with a digital camera. ArthurWeasley 20:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

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Bovid edits[edit]

Hi - I noticed your recent edits on various bovid pages.

Just thought I'd mention that it helps if you put some kind of explanation in the "Edit Summary" box. This makes it much easier to tell proper edits from vandalism (which rarely has anything in this box), and it also makes it easier to understand the reason for the edit. For example, when I saw a large unexplained edit in Bovinae (17:10, 6 November 2007), I very nearly reverted it as a malicious deletion. I could only work out what you were doing by spending some time looking at your user contributions.

Another tip is to use the "Show preview" button before deciding on your final edit. This avoids making many small public edits – it also saves space and clutter on other users' watchlists.--Richard New Forest 16:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


Book[edit]

Yeah, may be but that's a lot of work. If someone's writing the text then I could provide the illustrations. ArthurWeasley 18:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Coolness![edit]

Thanks for creating Template:Equidae! I am adding a bit to it. There are actually HUNDREDS of horse articles out there in wikiland and the challenge will be keeping it under some kind of control once it gets "discovered." My question is if you have a wikilink to the page that discusses these templates and the guidelines for their use. I'd sort of like to add in some of the major Equestrianism articles, but not sure if that exceeds the scope. Montanabw(talk) 15:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Basically, I can't find the equivalent of a guideline for "how to use" guide for these animal tmeplates the way I can find them for WP:CITE for example...where did you go to figure out how to do the template in the first place?? And I'd like to read wiki's criteria for what to do and not to do (ideally) with these templates. And did you create it on your own, or were there some other people (who could get upset if I change things) who were in on the process of figuring out what to do, what to insert, etc...? The reason I ask is that I see some big templates like this one or this one and that is easily how big the equidae one could get if we got too crazy, but the whole horse area is so disorganized, so there's an argument that this wouldn't be a bad thing (and the categories are a TOTAL mess!)...oh, and by the way, there is a proposal to create a "Wikiproject Horses" out there, but only four people have signed up, we need more support (there's three horse wikiprojects on narrow areas, but no overall umbrella). Montanabw(talk) 22:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and if you could be so kind, can you toss in a small edit summary like "adding template" when you do so? The horse articles get TONS of vandalism and edits with blank summaries sometimes get tossed by the bots as vandalism...which would be a bummer here. Montanabw(talk) 23:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Assorted answers[edit]

I like that you really have a lot of energy, but be careful not to reinvent the wheel. There happen to be several hundred horse articles on wikipedia, as well as Wikipedia:WikiProject horse breeds, Wikipedia:WikiProject horse training, Wikipedia:WikiProject Veterinary medicine (where there are MANY horse disease articles, some written by veterinarians), and Wikipedia:WikiProject Thoroughbred racing. So, the trick is not so much to create content but to organize what's there so that it can be found more easily, which is why I really like your template concept...if we can get that into more articles, it will help people navigate to others.

As for Wikiproject Equines, maybe go over to the page where things are being proposed and find the listing for the wikiproject horse proposal, and leave a message there that you created this. Personally, I have little interest in non-horse equines, but if this is where the energy is, it's worth a start. Also maybe leave a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Agriculture and let them know what you have done...some egos may be bent out of shape, but none of them got off the dime and did it, so just be polite and respectful and maybe see what happens.

You wrote: <<<Oh, and one more thing is it wrong to call the Przewalski's Horse the Mongolian Tarpan and the Tarpan the Polish Tarpan and the wild horse Tarpan? Because I'm thinking writing a book on equids. --4444hhhh (talk) 00:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)4444hhhh>>>

It would be incorrect terminology to use any of those terms. Tarpans and Przewalski's horses were/are different subspecies, though there are outdated books that probably use those other terms. Read Przewalski's horse and Tarpan, they are reasonably decent articles. You may also want to read Domestication of the horse and wild horse. The only true "wild" horse today is the Przewalski's horse. Everything else is a feral horse. Hope this helps. Montanabw(talk) 06:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

December 2007[edit]

Information.svg Welcome, and thank you for your attempt to lighten up Wikipedia. However, this is an encyclopedia and the articles are intended to be serious, so please don't make joke edits, as you did to Equidae. Readers looking for serious articles will not find them amusing. If you'd like to experiment with editing, try the sandbox, where you can write (almost) whatever you want. Jauerback (talk) 22:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Just for the record, I reviewed the edit and you were not vandalizing, although the page Wild Asses now correctly redirects to Asinus, so the piped link is not necessary. I also wanted to welcome you again, and say how great it is to see another enthusiastic horse lover! I noticed you created the page Equines, (amazing it was not already created, isn't it?) and redirected it to Equines. While this does seem to be valid, Equine redirects to horse. Now, if we take a look at the rationale for redirects, they are done in way that directs a reader to the most likely result for their search term. Since the vast majority of readers searching for "Equine" (or the plural, "Equines") would be looking for the Horse article, they both should redirect there. At the top of Horse, there is a hatnote leading to the Horse (disambiguation) page, to which I have added a link to the family Equidae, for the few readers who wish to read about the taxonomic classification, instead. To that end, I went ahead and changed the redirect on Equines, to align with Equine, and the more likely search result. I realize that Wikipedia is pretty confusing at first, so feel free to ask me should you have any questions at all, and I'll be more than happy to help, or if I'm unable to, I will be able to point you to somewhere to get assistance. Thanks so much for diving in and helping, and I hope you are enjoying the project! ArielGold 12:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
By the way, this template is simply amazingly great work! Excellently done! ArielGold 12:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
After Montanabw pointed out your how your edit was indeed an edit done in good faith, I intended on removing this warning entirely, however since there is already another comment about it, I guess it should stay for context purposes. I did strike it out, though, because I don't want you to feel like that you did anything wrong. I apologize for any misconceptions on my part. Happy editing. Jauerback (talk) 14:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
On my part, thanks for setting me straight on the gender thing. Usually I can guess gender by writing style (ArielGold is a "she" I'm pretty sure... (grin)) but I do miscalculate sometimes. Either way, keep in mind that those who care about taxonomy and genetics care deeply and so I usually do not mess with taxonomy unless I can cite to peer-reviewed literature. Call me overcautious, but oh how I HATE reverting things other people mess up in the areas where I have expertise...I just try not to do too much damage in areas where I don't know a lot!! Montanabw(talk) 03:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Pets and wild things[edit]

You wrote: "I usually consider pets as a supspecies of their wild ancestors."

As a general rule, most domesticated animals do get listed as different subspecies. What is weird in the equine world is that, other than Przewalski's horse and the nonw-extinct Tarpan, there are no "wild" horses; any wild horses are feral horses. If you look at those domestication and evolution articles, you will note that the "four foundations" theory suggests that the wild prototypes of the modern horse (whether one of four) may have been a totally different subspecies that so totally lent itself to domestication that all wild predecessors simply ceased to exist. Stephen Budiasky theorized that domestication may have saved the horse in Eurasia from the extinction it faced in the Americas at the end of the last Ice Age.

The taxonomy of the wild species is hotly debated, as you might note from the page history there and at wild horse. The short version is that some people claim there is such a thing as equus ferus and others consider ferus a subspecies of Equus caballus. I wonder if that's why Onagers and other wild asses are classed with Donkeys as Equus Asinus, I note that the wild ones are given an additional subspecies classification.

Anyway, it's all fascinating and though you'd be interested. User:Dysmorodrepanis seems to know something of how this taxonomy stuff all works, may be able to help figure it all out. Montanabw(talk) 18:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Zebra[edit]

Hello, since your a memeber of WikiProject Equines I was wondering if you can help.

I've been expanding and cleaning up the Zebra article. I was wondering if you think the Ecology and Behavior section is representive of all the zebra species' lifestyles. I noted the difference between the Grevy zebra and the other two zebra's behavior but are their differences between the Mountain and Plains zebras that should be noted or put into their repective articles? Also there are some behaviors I attributed to the Plains zebra and I don't know if it would describe the other two as well.

Thank you

Bobisbob (talk) 18:59, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Squamates[edit]

You asked me to address any problems I have with your recent edits to Squamata here on your talk page. I'm really happy someone has taken an interest in the page, so first I just want to thank you for your contributions. I'm willing to copy edit your contributions, but I think it's really important to include sources. It makes it much easier for me to copy edit text when I can read the text the facts come from, and even if I can't get the source, having a source gives me the confidence that the language is worth refining. - Enuja (talk) 06:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Whenever adding new information to an article, even if that information is in another article, please cite the source the information comes from. WP:Foot and WP:Cite may be useful to you, and if information is, indeed, from another article, it should be very easy to read and then copy and paste the appropriate wiki formatting to the new article. Instead of finding new sources this time, I just copy edited the sections. If no-one finds sources for the information, I will (eventually) remove it. - Enuja (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I have a suggestion. Would you mind proposing new language for the article on the talk page instead of editing the article directly? Your enthusiasm and willingness to do work to improve the article is improving it greatly, but all pages on Wikipedia are live. That is, anyone reading Squamate gets to read whatever you've put on the page. Unfortunately, much of your grammar, sentence structure and spelling in the article has serious problems. The ideal, of course, is to have elegant prose, but I think we really must require coherent prose, and I'm afraid your additions are often very hard to understand. If you could have friend proof-read your prose before you post it to the article, or if you could read it out loud and refine it several times before you post it, maybe then it would make sense to edit the article directly. If, however, the type of language you've been adding to the article is the best you can do, it really needs to be edited by other people before it should in the article. - Enuja (talk) 15:56, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Scale charts[edit]

Hi 4444hhhh! I do the scale charts in Photoshop, using a layered graph template I made a while back. For each new chart, I just make a 'stencil' of the subject and drop it into the pre-existing graph, changing the key etc. That's why it may be difficult to do the charts you requested very quickly, as it might be tough to find good source material for the stencils. But I'll see what I can do! Dinoguy2 (talk) 00:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

January 2008[edit]

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Dinosauria Common[edit]

Can you check my Dinosauria Common? --4444hhhh (talk) 01:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi 4h,
It's cute, but Wikipedia isn't the place for this sort of speculative material. You should start your own web page. Firsfron of Ronchester 01:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I know where it is. :) Firsfron of Ronchester 01:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

edits to bird[edit]

I have replaced the single bird image back into bird's taxobox, please see my comments on the talk page. Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, can I make a suggestion, can you make a new version of your composite image but one that is tall and thin rather than wide so that it doesn't distort the taxobox, and you can put it forward as a potential image for the taxobox in the discussion I've started. Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

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User page images[edit]

Please remove the pictures of the "Walking with" series box covers. They are fair use and copyrighted, and Wikipedia does not permit their use in userspace. bibliomaniac15 00:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge Proposal[edit]

There is a discussion going on about whether or not to merge WikiProject Dogs and WikiProject Dog breeds together. Your input would be greatly appreciated. Coaster1983 (talk) 18:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. There is a new proposal to make WikiProject Dog breeds a task force of WikiProject Dogs. Coaster1983 (talk) 21:14, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


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Chimps and Human Evolution[edit]

Hi I was going to removed the chimps from the human evolution template, I noticed you added them. Can you comment here if you disagree, Template talk:Human Evolution. thanks GameKeeper (talk) 22:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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Article importance scale for WikiProject Equine[edit]

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AfD nomination of List of characters in the Cloverfield universe[edit]

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Re: List of characters in the Cloverfield universe[edit]

In compliance with what you requested, I've just given the article a massive overhaul – well, for the film's characters, at least, since I'm most familiar with them – and you can check out my recent contributions at the article's history. Cinemaniac (talkcontribscritique) 22:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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Mammal[edit]

Please don't add complex info in the taxobox. Keep it simple. Discuss the complex information in the text. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it from bird as well now. the taxobox is intended to be a simple reference, not a complete one. The text is for completeness. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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Birds of prey[edit]

Hi. Do you have any new reference that has elevated Accipitridae ? The most recent molecular classifications place them as a family within the Falconiformes. Shyamal (talk) 02:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, It seems like the recent placement of the falcons next to the parrots is the cause of the reorganization. I thought it was only the Cathartidae that were the big problem. It may be good to discuss this on WT:BIRD, because it may mean a whole cluster of articles need to be reorganized so as not to have parts inconsistent. Shyamal (talk) 03:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

More changes to bird families[edit]

Hi. I thought the way most people felt at [[]] was that we shouldn't make big taxonomic changes without discussing them first, and in general we should wait for the ornithological unions and associations. So I think your changing to the Ciconiiformes were premature.

I don't know whether you know the history. The tradition in systematics is to present one's beliefs as the truth; that doesn't mean other biologists accept the arrangements, much less that the arrangements are right. The journals are littered with outdated classification systems, and Hackett et al. is going to be another one. Undoubtedly some of its suggestions are right, but we don't yet know which ones.

In the past few decades, many placements have been made by the American Ornithologists' Union, for instance, only to be reversed some years later. If even they jump the gun on these things, I think we should not react more quickly than they do.

If there's a consensus on changes, we can probably get a bot to do a lot of them. This includes changing the Falconidae and Ciconiiformes back. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 06:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

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Hi! Evolution of the horse and some other articles (Equidae, Equus (genus), etc.) are getting some much needed attention. Care to join us? --Una Smith (talk) 05:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Also Template:Equidae, but first see Template talk:Equidae. --Una Smith (talk) 07:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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A google search of Otidiiforme generates next to no hits. Do you have any sources for the elevation to order of this family? Sabine's Sunbird talk 06:23, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

We follow the nomenclature for common names, not the taxonomy (at least not automatically). Sabine's Sunbird talk 18:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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