User talk:Aza24

Nine Dragons, Chen Rong, 1244, Song Dynasty

Fukagawa Susaki and Jūmantsubo, Hiroshige, 1857, One Hundred Famous Views of Edo

Bichitr, Jahangir Preferring a Sufi Shaikh to Kings, 1615–1618
Notice anyone?

Wilton Diptych, c. 1395–1399

DYK for F. Andrieu

On 5 February 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article F. Andrieu, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that F. Andrieu was the composer of Armes, amours/O flour des flours, a double ballade lamenting the death of his colleague Guillaume de Machaut? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/F. Andrieu. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, F. Andrieu), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 12:01, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for another good one! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Cheers, thank you for nominating! Aza24 (talk) 19:27, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Do you remember reviewing BWV 227? (second nomination not by me, but by the one who failed mine, - should be interesting) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I want to, but am still hesitant, I've found it especially difficult to compromise/work with the nominator in question in the past. I'll keep considering it, and will regardless, get to your BWV 1 this weekend. Aza24 (talk) 19:58, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

it's done --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for another ping today. I followed an obituary, a very unusual one. Bach music pictured ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Innisfree Garden

Sorry for yet another reminder, - the delegate is getting restless ... Wülfing-Leckie is now on the Main page. I went to the garden some great day in October 1996, remembered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:19, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Splendid pictures, thank you. No need to apologize, I've been inactive lately but I promised you your rightfullly deserved review so I will get on that now! Aza24 (talk) 04:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for what you said on Mathsci, - encouraging! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I nominated BWV 159 for GA, in case of interest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for picking this! What do you think about the instant GA of D 812? - Today, we have a DYK about Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the Lenten roses are actually blooming ;) - Could you perhaps go over the open points in BWV 1? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Have just looked at BWV, thank you for the reminder. Congrats on the article for Doris, wonderfully written! I remember seeing the D 812 GAN, but I had too many issues with it to review; the huge swathes of quotes and the overkill references in particular. I considered talking to some GA regulars about the instant GA but eh I think I'll let it slide. I've been following the arb case after your earlier mention of it and yes, it is a bad situation for all involved. Aza24 (talk) 22:02, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, all around. (The GAN was lingering since July, the reviewer does a lot, probably not in Classical music. They don't answer the question, not even by me first. Funny coincidence, the timing.) Antandrus had a great comment regarding the arb case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

March flowers

Today: Carmen for TFA (on my request), with Bizet's music "expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" as Brian worded it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:35, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Was thrilled to see it rerun on the main page, good call! A lot of discussion has certainly arisen on the talk, interestingly enough. Aza24 (talk) 23:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, also for the cantata review, will get to it soon. I'm always amazed how much attention a TFA gets even the 3 days after appearing (Carmen 5k yesterday), just because the little mention below. As for Fanny - I try not to interfer with highly respected Tim, but she is no Fraulein Mendelssohn, but Mrs. Hensel. Perhaps you can watch over a potential review ;) - I'm testing the waters for a discussion that I hope will not happen: I gave Rinaldo an infobox - same author as Carmen (and as you know best Monteverdi, and many others). It was reverted. We can't ask Brian. My thinking is that the community has endorsed infoboxes in all recent discussions (latest Ian Fleming), so to not have one needs some strong dislike from the principal author, which I see for Smerus and Tim, but not at all for Brian, almost the opposite. He was ready for it in 2013, and wrote about the topic in the Signpost then. I think about a discussion on project opera, but would rather like to avoid it. Could you perhaps add to the talk with Nikkimaria? As Brian said in 2013: "low profile". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Well it is apparent that the literature on Fanny is increasingly adopting Hensel or Mendelssohn-Hensel, so a future page becomes increasingly more likely as time progresses (I'm in the Mendelssohn-Hensel camp). It seems that infoboxes are becoming rather inevitable in many ways, and the more people the discussion reaches, the more likely an infobox is included. I worry about Tim and Smerus in this regard; it may be improper for me—as a less experienced user—to speculate on their behalf, but I'm afraid the addition of infoboxes on their FAs will deter them from editing, and from Wikipedia as a whole. Though at the same time, it is difficult for me to properly sympathize with the predicament; I'm not convinced that an absence or inclusion of an infobox is important enough to readers that it warrants such discussion or strong opinions. I still "cringe" about how I acted on Poppea—though it was clear that from the beginning the conversation was less about actual content and more about the same users assuming the same positions with the same arguments. I've used and not used them (Cai Lun & Portrait of a Musician vs Gibbons, F. Andrieu etc.), and as such I don't really have an opinion on Rinaldo, so I don't know if I can help there. I think Brian was onto a great compromise with "identity" boxes, as I think the by-far most essential thing an infobox for a composer can provide is a link to their list of compositions, every other parameter is eh, which is why the limitations (and inclusion of comp list) on Beethoven's ibox seems passable. I think Rinaldo would benefit the most right now from an engaging painting as the lead image (like L'Arianna), especially since its subject matter is so widely reproduced in art. Aza24 (talk) 10:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

No time to read it all right now, but I hope I can win you for the Hensel camp, because she never carried what we call Doppelname. Also: I am the last person to suggest an infobox for a Smerus or Tim riley composer article, and would stay away when such a thing is discussed. Confessing though that I had thought we had reached a compromise acceptable for all for Chopin, which Brian applied, but FS reverted counting noses ... - Better fresh air right now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Now that I read more, a bit more of a reply: thank you for the Beethoven compliment, because I created that - as part of the arbcase, of all places - and felt a bit of triumph when it was installed as the community consensus, by one of the arbs who had written the case - of all people. Arbitration is absurd, - that's what I learned, - and how I'd wish to be proven wrong. {{infobox opera}} was planned to be succinct from the start, and there has been no debate in years, - but now this revert, by not even a project member. You saw her arguing as the last one to defend the sidebars. She argues here "live and let live", but Brian is dead. Chopin by Brian, 2015 - Weekend now, I'll let it go until next week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Rinaldo by Brian, 2016. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:11, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Then I'm glad to see that the removal of the navbox was the result of plenty of discussion. Aza24 (talk) 01:28, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Not sure which navbox you mean, because Brian left the navbox in place when he restored the sidebar. We talk about 2016, when there was a unifying sidebar. It was deleted. - Let me clarify that what I said about Smerus and Tim above also applies to Smeat75, so I won't touch must of Handels operas. Just the two featured articles should represent Wikipedia's best, and I know how Carmen and L'Orfeo do that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Quantz images

Different topic: images. I believe all pics should be right unless someone pictured looks to the right. Pics on the left (depending on screen size) cause problems such as displacing the text, and (worse) displacing the following header. In such cases, I move right even what should be left, but begin right for all others, - or make a gallery. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Neither is ideal for the current situation—I moved it left because on my (smaller) screen it looked rather awful with the infobox and two pictures squeezed below. Quantz is terribly underrated... Aza24 (talk) 10:21, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I confess that the pic shows really nothing in small size, - we could just drop it, and describe it in prose. Perhaps there should be an article on it, showing it in large splendour. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:24, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

today (IWD): MMMM with a reference to Carmen again --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Lovely! We must rerun more of Brian's articles every once and a while. Stravinsky's 50th death anniversary is 6 April; we could potentially run Brian's Rite of Spring—though I assume it's too late now? Aza24 (talk) 01:09, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

We'd have to ask Jim. I missed thinking of that date, sorry, and he said (today) that he had already enough reruns for the month, but that kind of anniversary would perhaps be enough of a motivation. Dreamsnake is scheduled for the day, and I don't see a strong date connection. My ideas for TFAs are here, BB stands for Brian, and Gianni Schicchi is my next suggestion. We just had Carmen, and Monteverdi last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, you are wise in not treading on the CM project talk... :) Aza24 (talk) 22:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

DYK that I invented "2 comments per discussion", in 2013? Arbitration turned it against me, but by now I realize that it sets you free. In the current arbcase, I restricted myself to one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Very taoist of you, and admirable in general. I'm afraid I blabber to much to adopt such a practice, though in a few years I suspect I will have to, to still enjoy the site :) Aza24 (talk) 22:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I like blabber ;) - and of course I don't mean friendly talk pages, but wherever consensus-forming is needed, it's awful when some dominate the discussion. I responded in the GAN, btw, but had no time yet to even read the lengthy comment at the bottom. What do you think of including a pic I took of a rehearsal of a performance? Today, It was BWV 14, GA already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Very covidesque pictures, and great symmetry (Raphael would be proud)... I wish there was a church near me that performed Bach; the closest I got was a small group of musicians who prepare works by Bach each summer—I played (electric–real ones are hard to get your hands on) harpsichord and sang... now that was fun. Aza24 (talk) 23:29, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Pictures: Morgenstern once more. The discography article will be on DYK tomorrow. I put the BGA image as the lead image there - recordings will have been played from something printed. But for the cantata, the violins, representing the morning star, seem the proper lead image to me, - have been so for 6 years, - no valid reason to change. Did you see what RandomCanadian said about the continuo pic? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree the violin pic is cleaner but am unsure that that would make me support it over the continuo. Regardless, I've (hopefully) expressed my somewhat neutrality on the issue, I can see a case for both, but the decision isn't so important that I would oppose the FAC. Aza24 (talk) 22:56, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Given the anniversary, I'll see if I can shoehorn Rite of Spring in, I have to replace on of the listed articesanyway, so I'll move Dreamsnake Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:44, 15 March 2021 (UTC) Forgot to ping Gerda Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:46, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

music today

Thank you for reviewing Bach's cantata composed for today, - perhaps listen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

... and the first performance was on a Palm Sunday, and Yoninah's obituary with the beginning of Passover --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm afraid I did not know Yoninah well, but their legacy seems incredible, and a worthy obituary as well. Aza24 (talk) 04:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Lang tags on Ukiyo-e

Hey - I was just wondering why you removed the cleanup lang template on Ukiyo-e?

The reason I added it in the first place was that I have roughly 400 pages on my watchlist, most of which are Japanese culture articles in need of language tags; my hope was that someone else other than me might add them, for a change.

I'd like to have done it myself, but it's a huge article, and not one I can do all at once. Rather than leave it, I added the template in the hopes that someone who isn't me might do so; MOS:ACCESS is a guideline, as you said, not policy, but accessibility is important. If the article was smaller, I genuinely would have done it without adding the template first - that's pretty much all I do on Wikipedia these days.

Also - I would've thought manual of style guidelines like MOS:OTHERLANG, though just a guideline as you pointed out, would've been acknowledged as important to improve Wikipedia's accessibility.

I have to say that I honestly do not see the point of removing the template. I'll go off and add them in myself, I guess, like you said, but I don't think it improves things to reduce other editors' awareness of the importance and need for accessibility on Wikipedia. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 11:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Ineffablebookkeeper, I appreciate you cleaning it up yourself—if I came off as confrontational, I apologize, here's how I see it: Ukiyo-e is one of our best Art FAs, and receives at least 1000 views a day. When a tag or more or less trivial importance (in comparison to "more citations needed", "neutrality" etc.) is so prominently displayed, the first thing everyone of those 1000 people will see is a tag which they don't understand, giving them an impression that the article has some issues and thus compromising its featured status and trust from readers. This being said, I completely understand the use of such tags on underdeveloped articles, but using them on FAs seems unnecessary. Additionally, as you've said, the task is tedious, so the template's use in this case will likely just hang out there for many months, those prolongating the issues I raised earlier. Aza24 (talk) 05:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Huh. I didn't have a clue that FA status was part of it. To be honest, I think I did raise lang tags being a part of FA status criteria a while back, as it seems like something that should just be there, yknow? That and alt captions for images. But I don't think I got anywhere with it, though it does seem like for an FA, all users should have that trust in their featured status, including those with screenreaders.

It's no biggie; once you get the hang of the nihongo templates and copypasting transl|ja, it's easy enough to fix, it's just a bit time-consuming. For most of the articles on my watchlist, they're so small and low-importance that I don't even bother to put a cleanup lang template on them - either they're not getting enough traffic that other editors would see it and act, or they're small enough that I can fix them quickly. For the larger ones, though, help is always appreciated(!) :) -- Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 11:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Ineffablebookkeeper if it's any reassurance, I've used the lang templates prolifically in my work on Cai Lun and I will note that FACs are increasingly including accessibility reviews. But yes the core of my concern was that the tag—of non-urgent concern—would remain prominently at the top of a featured article for many months unaddressed. Aza24 (talk) 22:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Not a problem - it honestly seems like we could do with just raising more awareness of their importance to other Wikipedians, then. Glad to hear that accessibility concerns are becoming more of a consideration for FACs :) -- Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 10:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Merchandise giveaway nomination

A token of thanks Hi Aza24! I've nominated you to receive a gift from the Wikimedia Foundation. Enjoy! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:18, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Sdkb, this is much appreciated, thank you! Aza24 (talk) 05:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Source review for The Heart of Thomas

Hi there, I just wanted to reach out and see if you were interested in doing a source review for the FAC for The Heart of Thomas. No worries if you're not available or are uninterested, I just figured I'd ask since you were midway through a source review in the first FAC. Thanks! Morgan695 (talk) 05:33, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for asking, I'll take a look though I suspect there will be few issues after F&F's initiative. Aza24 (talk) 22:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

The Heart of Thomas

Hi Aza24, you did a source review for this article on its first nomination for FA. I was wondering if you fancied repeating this for its current nomination. No pressure. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:09, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure, looking now. Aza24 (talk) 22:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Here's a barnstar for your source (and general) reviews. It is much appreciated. ~ HAL333 18:38, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Much appreciated Hal! Aza24 (talk) 22:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Paper Mario featured topic?

Hello Aza! I looked at the good topic page for Paper Mario and noticed that it's titled as a featured topic, and links back to Wikipedia:Featured topics instead of WP:Good topics. Was it accidentally named a featured topic? Panini^🥪 15:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Panini!, every time I see your name I get hungry... :) FTs/GTs are not organized properly; who ever started the process many years ago never set up any automation, and for some reason decided to name all good topics as "featured topics". If you look at the other video game GTs you'll see they're also named incorrectly. I've only been a delegate for a couple of months, so I have been trying to "keep the inconsistency", until I get around to changing them all at once, if that makes sense. Aza24 (talk) 21:10, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Aza you forgot to put the Paper Mario nomination into Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Featured log/March 2021. GamerPro64 00:25, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Oops, indeed. Have just done so. Gamer, did you see my comment on organization above? Is that something we can think about doing; e.g. moving the good topics that are labeled as "Featured" to "Good"? It would make sense to keep the subpages organized. Aza24 (talk) 00:29, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

We can give it a shot. Never thought it was an issue but we can always make the moves on all the topics. GamerPro64 00:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I think for uniformity's sake it would make sense; granted that though the moving could be tedious; it probably wouldn't take that long. I also wonder about Category:Wikipedia featured topics categories, which seems to be sorted incorrectly... is there a bot that could help us with that? Aza24 (talk) 00:39, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with bots on Wikipedia so I wouldn't know. GamerPro64 00:57, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok next point. You have been putting the Good Topic nominations in the wrong section. There is a page for Good Topics with Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Good log/March 2021. GamerPro64 00:52, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

I see, I was confused because there's no link to those pages in the Template:Featured topic log... Aza24 (talk) 01:02, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Looks like that one was my fault. I forgot to add the template in there. GamerPro64 01:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

No worries. I'll ask a technical user about using a bot later today. I'll have a lot of time in the next few days so I'll try and move some of the good topics to be named as such; I don't think there should be any technical issues, but I'll be careful. Aza24 (talk) 01:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of sculptures of Ludwig van Beethoven/archive1

Most of the images used are A-OK. I also have named some other things to change in the list. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for your most thorough comments. I was planning on sitting down later today and going through all of yours and those of Ham & Hal—I'll be sure to ping you when I've done so. Aza24 (talk) 21:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

It's looking better now, and I left some responses. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm looking into including more of the images that are currently external links now. Aza24 (talk) 02:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

RED link

I noticed your edit on Guillaume de Machaut and I tried to make an article on Gilbert Reaney. Hopefully you have more information and can expand it. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:49, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Kansas Bear, wow, thank you! I certainly do have more information on Reaney; I've had it on my "to create" list for a while now (and have been linking it everywhere as a result). Your efforts are much appreciated. Best - Aza24 (talk) 22:51, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

As an FYI on books

I have challenged the closure of the discussion with the closer. Please stop removing the links for a half minute. Izno (talk) 00:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok. I was not aware that I would be required to advertise for such a thing, considering the central function of the namespace itself is already unsupported. Aza24 (talk) 00:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

IML

This is perfect. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, cheers! Aza24 (talk) 20:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Merchandise Giveaway Nomination – Successful

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Many thanks, I've just now sent an email. Aza24 (talk) 22:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) § Redesigning the featured, good, and article assessment icons. Pbrks (talk) 21:10, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Template:Z48

Source review needed for 2012 Summer Olympics medal table

Hi again,

Is it possible that you could do a source review for the 2012 Summer Olympics medal table regarding its featured list candidacy? I want to put the finishing touches and/or have a final proofread.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 00:19, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes! I will try to get to it soon. Aza24 (talk) 06:10, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

ahhh ..

Now I understand the appreciation for artwork. :-) — Ched (talk) 07:29, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Indeed :) Aza24 (talk) 06:10, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Teletubbies and the Rite

Thank you again for that. It's so great! Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

No problem DBaK :) — the only thing better is the Fantasia animation of it, which I can only hope you've seen! Aza24 (talk) 06:10, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely, thank you. I think that for a while I may have believed that Stokowski invented it. In fact, invented all music. Hmmm. DBaK (talk) 17:57, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

He did invent the boring seating arrangement of violins facing cellos that absolutely ruins the 4th movement of Tchaikovsky's 6th symphony!! [1] Aza24 (talk) 18:11, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Henri-Guillaume Hamal

I never imagined that anyone would follow the clues I posted at ANI (I saw no reason to advertise the article to illustrate a general point). I like the image of this church official improvising (possibly risqué) songs in dialect while accompanying himself on the cello.

I came across the Hamal clan when YouTube randomly offered me Henri-Guillaume's grandson Henri's Trumpet Concerto, which is rather fun. I'd love to know its date, and what instrument he was writing for (though I'd guess the natural trumpet). I don't think the presence of a continuo part is any guide; I have the impression that Liège was a provincial backwater. I'm stalled on his biography (currently in a sandbox); the sources aren't entirely clear as to whether or not he continued to compose after Saint Lambert's Cathedral, Liège was torn down in 1794-95, and I've been puzzling over it. He must have been writing for a virtuoso; and if that was in the early 1790s, he may have written one of the earliest Classical trumpet concertos (Michael Haydn was 1763 and Josef 1796). Narky Blert (talk) 11:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Don't you just hate it when some interfering ****hole sticks their oar in? Sorry. The concerto is absolutely gorgeous but I am having trouble seeing how it is a trumpet concerto at all. I feel it is certainly not on a natural instrument as it's playing a lot of unlikely notes. (I have not made an exhaustive study and would love to be wrong but that's my starting guess.) If it wasn't written for a nat, then what? Haydn was only just getting going with his mate Weidinger's keyed instrument in 1796 and this is, I am sure, beyond its capabilities. I'm also having trouble tracking down the music, which I'd love to see, or any reference to it. The recordings I am keeping seeing are mostly (all??) Maurice Andre, and he was a massive user of transcriptions. Is it not possible that this lovely work is actually a violin or oboe concerto or something? That seems to me to be a better fit for what I am hearing but I would be delighted to be proven wrong and to get educated a bit. Seriously. I only think I am right but being wrong would be lovely! Cheers DBaK (talk) 16:55, 9 April 2021 (UTC) Update: and now I am worried that all the above just sounds terrible arsey and showoffish and I would have been better to just STFU ... gah.

@DBaK: Not on IMSLP; and yes, André's recording sounds like it has a pile of accidentals. It's the only recording of anything by Henri I've found. I'm inclined to agree, and will place a small wager on oboe. Pace Michael Collins, transcription from strings to brass or wind is uncommon (double stopping is tricky). I've failed to find any printed scores, so even the attribution must be open to doubt.

BTW, have you ever heard Haydn's Clarinet Concerto? No? Well, you can find it on YouTube. And a double... Narky Blert (talk) 18:10, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Narky Blert & DBak (all oars welcome), I love the attention you've given to the least important member of that family (Henri-Guillaume Hamal) :) — it is tremendously fun to scrap the internet for niche sources on minor composers; I've been meaning to do this on Cataldo Amodei, who, late last year, received the weirdest page views spike I've ever seen.

As far as Henri Hamal, that is indeed a mighty fine concerto. It may well have been for trumpet; the seemingly unreal high notes and surplus of them for the supposably limited natural trumpet, that is, are somewhat well explained. Since the natural trumpet works on the overtone series, as the notes of the trumpets rise, the distance between them decrease, so more notes are available only in the highest register(s). I suspect soloist trumpeters at the time were used to this, as a required necessity, and were indeed virtuosos in that respect. As trumpets evolved, people specialized in high notes less—and the non-soloists never did in the first place—so these kinds of quick passages were found extremely difficult (the most famous example being Bach's Second Brandenburg concerto). Eventually this resulted in the need for the piccolo trumpet (aka the "crutch trumpet!"). Now in the days of Alison Balsom and Wynton Marsalis—where anything is playable on any instrument—I believe its standard for trumpet players to be expected to play the original parts on modern trumpets (besides HIP), without using the piccolo variant. Apologies if I'm repeating information either of you are aware of!

The exact date for the concerto is probably nonexistent; one could assume it was written during his time as the director of the cathedral (1769–1793). If Henri wasn't writing music for anyone specifically after 1793, I would be surprised if he did at all. Even the annoyingly prolific Telemann retired at some point; the time of people like Mozart writing until the absolute end wasn't commonplace then. The earliest trumpet concerto-composer I can think off the top of my head is Torelli (1658–1709), much earlier than Henri; Maurizio Cazzati (1616–1678) has the first known trumpet sonata, for perspective. Aza24 (talk) 18:13, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes and roger to all of the above. Andre in this recording is absolutely playing it on a picc, yes. My worry isn't the high notes - it's the low ones! I am sort-of sure that it's got stepwise scalework passages and, as Narky says, surprising accidentals, too low down for a nat. I can't prove it without more work and I don't have the golden ears to just hit it immediately but I am pretty sure that I heard that. I suppose I ought to either shut up or do that "more work", but it won't be very immediate, sorry. It's going to sound very very arsey indeed if I say "if it were a real tpt concerto then I suspect that I would probably have heard of it" ... hmmm ok no. But yes. Also it is not mentioned at all on the International Trumpet Guild website ... is that a measure??? Sorry, I hate myself sometimes. But it's my daughter's birthday jollities so please excuse me and accept my apologies for this weebly and very rushed semicoherent reply. Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:23, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah I see, I may have overdone it with my response. Might have been for cornet originally, which would explain a lot. Aza24 (talk) 18:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

It's also fun to post a footnote saying in effect - Grove is wrong. Even if it takes considerable research to write it.

I picked on H-G as the easiest of the three to write up first. Jean-Noël was clearly the most considerable of them; but I've set him to one side as the man who tried to make it in the Big City (Paris) and failed; which means that getting a fair balance into his biography is trickier. Narky Blert (talk) 18:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Grove is so eh sometimes, and all too often we blow them out of the water (I Holst Grove vs ours; F. Andrieu Grove vs ours). They don't even have articles on rather important figures like Sordello or Maxim Berezovsky. They also spelled "Nietzche" wrong three times—don't ask how I know that ;) Aza24 (talk) 18:50, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm, by "earliest Classical trumpet concertos" did you perhaps mean classical period? I assumed you meant Classical music as a whole, which is why I brought up Torelli, but if not then your observation is most astute. I seem to be on a roll with misinterpretation today—I'd better go play something no one can interpret (say Sorabji or Finnissy) to make myself feel better... Aza24 (talk) 19:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I'm back briefly ... I just wanted to say: no, not cornet. Long boring discussion available on request but life's too short, to be honest. The dates, style and everything are just wrong ... I am still guessing it's a repurposed oboe concerto or similar. I really don't think it was originally a brass concerto though, as I say, I would be delighted to be educated otherwise. But I have to add: I am intrigued by the comment about Grove is wrong ... to what does that allude? I may have missed the memo; I am also very cross because my local libraries have given up their online Grove sub, which is a bit of a drag for me, to put it very mildly. Ho hum. Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

The only way we will know for sure is if we could find access to this, which seems to contain a complete list of compositions on the composer in question. By the way—you still have access to grove through oxford music online at the Wikipedia library, which if you sign up for the "Library Bundle" gives free, instant access—perks of being a Wikipedia editor :) The grove comment was on note a in Henri-Guillaume Hamal. Aza24 (talk) 22:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Also note d. Narky Blert (talk) 06:17, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Gilbert Reaney

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		Excellent job on Gilbert Reaney! Kansas Bear (talk) 22:33, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Cheers - Aza24 (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

List of sculptures of Ludwig van Beethoven

Happy to review this one if needed ... at the moment it doesn't look like it's needed, but ping me if things change. - Dank (push to talk) 12:35, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Dank—it does seem to be progressing nicely, so no worries! Aza24 (talk) 03:21, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on this list! Hope to see more quality sculpture lists like this on Wikipedia. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:43, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks Another Believer, it was quite a bit more work than I expected, but fun to do over a long period of time. I'm not sure if I'm going to do another, though if I did, it would probably be someone of a similar reputation—perhaps Mozart, Leonardo or Shakespeare. Maybe I should spend the next 10 years doing one for Jesus or the Buddha? :) Aza24 (talk) 01:57, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

April corner

wild garlic

Thank you for letting the Holländer fly! Yesterday's Main page was beautiful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Happy to help, I guess we'll see what happens...!

Looks good so far! - On this day in 1742, He was despised was performed for the first time, and when I wrote it in 2012, I didn't only think of Jesus. Andreas Scholl sang that for us, - you are invited to a Baroque stroll. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks!—I've just now finished the links. It's nice to see the Messiah article on the front page, it's always been an impressive one, especially considering the amount of sub-articles it spawned. Aza24 (talk) 00:18, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! - Today: an article about music significant in my life, Bach's motet Jesu, mein Freude, with a long way from the start in 2006 to the Main page today ;) /and I understand well that you didn't want to get involved with a GA review) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your understanding. I'm seeing this message while in the middle of listening to Bach's St Matthew—so I will have to put 227 in the queue! Maybe you'll like this (if you don't already know it): Schoenberg has a fascinating orchestration of 552 ([2]) Aza24 (talk) 01:57, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, yes! - You can put 227 in the queue for a peer review ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Source review needed for 2012 Summer Olympics medal table

Hi again,

Is it possible that you could do a source review for the 2012 Summer Olympics medal table regarding its featured list candidacy? I want to put the finishing touches and/or have a final proofread. And I have been waiting almost two weeks since I've last requested for this same list.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 07:59, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, a glaring failure on my part, apologies. I've done so now. Aza24 (talk) 22:34, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Carillon GAN Help

Hi Aza24, I was wondering if you could help me through the WP:GAN process for the article Carillon. I've been working on it for the past few months, and I'm finally ready for help from peers. Gerda Arendt mentioned that you would be a great reviewer. Thrakkx (talk) 19:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Thrakkx, I would be happy to help. It looks ready for a GAN, so Ii you want to nominate it, I'll go ahead and take it up. Eventually (after the GAN) you'll probably want to take it to WP:PR, or have someone else look at it before FAC—which I'm assuming is your goal, based on your message on Gerda's talk page. Best - Aza24 (talk) 22:34, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Nominated! Thrakkx (talk) 01:57, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Category:Statuary of Ludwig van Beethoven has been nominated for renaming

Category:Statuary of Ludwig van Beethoven has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. --Another Believer _(Talk) 04:21, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

March 2021 GAN Backlog drive

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		Thank you for completing 2 reviews in the March 2021 backlog drive. Your work helped us reduce the backlog by over 52%. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 13:12, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

One year!

On Earth Day, singing Psalm 115 ;) - more songs for the day on my talk. Yesterday, I discovered Pisendel, - no end to finds in music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

What do you think about Joseph (opera)? - Yes, there were infobox wars, see for example Pilgrim at Tinker Creek, 2012, resulting in a valuable editor leaving - for a book, - I'll never understand. Quite amusing: I was against the infobox, then. The introduction of infoboxes for operas, however, was no war, just a slow process. The arbs didn't see that, - what can we do? ... without repeating something that looks like a fight every time. I could ping the former participants of the last discussion (but think it should better be forgotten), or run an RfC, but what a waste of time we could put into articles. - I miss GFHandel, who left over the Bach discussion, in 2013. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 22 April 2021 (UTC)