User talk:MZMcBride

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User talk:MZMcBride/watcher#female userpages

Hello MZMcBride!

Is there a chance that this problem get fixed? --Knopfkind (talk) 19:08, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry for the delay. I need to put the code for watcher into revision control. There's already infrastructure in place for it (here), but I haven't gotten around to it quite yet. I'm making a note right now to look at this tomorrow. Thanks for poking me. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:46, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Question about a template parameter query

Greetings MZM, sorry to bother you but I have a task and I'm not sure if its even possible. Was wondering if its possible to determine all the parameters in use on a template for the articles that links to it. For example, WikiProject United States has a group of valid parameters available (such as small, class, importance, etc.) but some articles have parameters in use that do not appear on the template (this includes misspellings of the correct ones such as clas, iportance, snall, etc., parameters that don't exist for the template such as biography, bio, etc., parameters that have been eliminated from the template, etc.) Do you know of any way to do that? --Kumioko (talk) 17:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

It's not easy work, but it's possible. The main issue is that template parameter names aren't necessarily static. You can have a template parameter such as {{{foo{{{bar}}}}}} where the value of bar can change the parameter name that begins with "foo". For example, let's say you have a template named {{variable}} with the following content:

{{{foo{{{bar}}}}}}

You can then call the template using something like this:

{{variable | bar = bing | foobing = baz}}

The "foobing" template parameter doesn't appear in the template code and is a variable construct based on the value of bar.

Why is this relevant? Because it means that you can't easily determine a fixed list of valid parameter names! Without a list of parameter names to validate against, it makes spotting invalid parameter names very, very difficult. (Does that make sense?)

If you provide the script an input list of all the possible valid template parameter names, it makes life a bit easier, but there's still no guarantee that you'll catch every invalid template parameter. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Its based on 2 separate issues actually. ON one hand I have found quite a few articles with invalid parameters in the WikiProject banner and I would like to fix them either by adding code to the template to accept that (for example to make it accept Class as well as class) or by replacing the parameter with the correct one (mostly due to misspellings here like clas instead of class or things of that nature). The second is based on a discussion about the Citation templates that have dozens of vairations of parameter problems causing things to not display correctly or not at all. I was hopeing that there was a tool or fairly easy way to look at a template and see what parameters were displayed with maybe even a number of articles affected. But if its a huge pain then its not a major issue ill just keep tweaking them as I find them.--Kumioko (talk) 19:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that I currently have a database report that lists invalid template parameters: Articles containing invalid template parameters (configuration). It's limited to Template:Infobox officeholder currently, I believe.

Template parameters can be made case-insensitive or have aliases. So it would be possible to accept "clas" or "Class" without editing any uses of the template and just updating the template code. You have to do a cost–benefit analysis to figure out whether the additional code complexity is worth catching more and more obscure edge cases.

I'd be interested in examples of broken citation templates. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, That's a great report. I agree that in many cases it would be better and easier to change the template to accept upper or lowercase (at least for the first letter anyway). I sort of don't agree that we should build in a million different variations just in case someone messes it up. I would rather do the change but that's just me. Of course if we are talking hundreds or thousands of articles with a certain parameter spelling then I might be inclined to say just create an alias for it.

In regards to the Cite question. If you take a look at the talk page for {{Cite news}} I posted a large list of possible invalid parameters. This list was originally created by Rjwilmsi for his bot but then when he create the AWB page for renaming invalid template parameters he posted a massive list of parameters. So I thought it might be easier to cull that very long list, by adding these invalid parameter possibilities to the Cite news template logic a group at a time and then as we eliminate them from the list we can remove them from the page. But they declined on the grounds the template was too widely used and too complicated to do this type of change. As you can see by this list, just for Cite news there is a giant listing of invalid fields, many of which IMO, are likely already fixed by his bot. I hope this helps. --Kumioko (talk) 05:48, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Now that I've had a chance to think about this a little more. The report is good but I'm really just looking for a listing of the parameters that appear for the articles the template is on with a count of the number of articles its on. I can sort out which ones work manually by adding a few at a time to a sandbox to see if they work and then take action as necessary. Using the Cite news template as an example I am pretty familiar with the parameters that are in use for that template and will be able to tell if its a valid one or not. Of course if your too busy with other tasks or if this is impractical I certainly understand. --Kumioko (talk) 01:50, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

re Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Rind et al

You deleted this under "R1", but there is no "R1" (it starts at R2) and anyway it's not a redirect. I don't suppose you remember what the reason was? Herostratus (talk) 03:49, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

There was a WP:CSD#R1 when I deleted the page. It got merged with G8, which is why it points there now. Perhaps that should be made clearer, but not my problem or concern, in any case.

The page was a redirect to Talk:Rind et al./Delete. HTH. HAND. &c. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:11, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, OK, that's an odd redirect... oh, well, probably not worth pursuing further I guess. Thanks. Herostratus (talk) 02:31, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

re: User:EdwardsBot/Spam

{{Talkback|Peppage|User:EdwardsBot/Spam|ts = 22:52, 5 December 2011 (UTC)}}

Nomination for deletion of Template:Nobel icon

Template:Nobel icon has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Bulwersator (talk) 05:43, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	REXGOBLIN. JEMIMAJASMIN 01:48, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Thanks for improving my userpage! :) Frap (talk) 18:45, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem. There's some extra whitespace above the intro ("I am the divine...") that I wasn't sure was intentional. It's a bit unsightly. If you'd like me to kill it, let me know. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:56, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Infected kittens again!! <3

Theo10011 (talk) 23:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Am I being punished? --MZMcBride (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Lists of Wikipedians by page count

It seems that your bot runs the code to update Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by article count. Is it feasible to create parallel pages for template space, image space, category space and project space? Also, can you confirm that unexpanded redirects are ignored in this count. Does it ignore dab pages? Maybe a dab and a redirect list would be useful as well if they are ignored.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:09, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

The work on database reports is already so backlogged that I can't commit to any further reports at the moment.

Are you referring to a programming or a processing backlog?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:42, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Programming. I have something like 1,000 unread e-mails in my Toolserver folder right now. A lot of them are garbage or duplicates, but a fair number are reporting legitimate issues with the current reports. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:07, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

That page (Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by article count) is based on the current state of an article. For example, if you (Tony) created a redirect ("A") and that redirect was later expanded by someone else ("A is the first letter..."), you (Tony) would be credited as having created an article. Similarly, if you created an article that was later turned into a redirect, that would not be counted as an article creation in the stats. Disambiguation pages are included in the current stats. --MZMcBride (talk) 13:55, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Like button for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Like button is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Like button until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Fluttershy !xmcuvg2MH 01:55, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Dramedy

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Dramedy

Template:Dramedy has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Bulwersator (talk) 09:35, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Colloquy (company) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Colloquy (company) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colloquy (company) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. SL93 (talk) 00:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

tb

{{tb|Ludwigs2}}

userspace links?

I just realized this list isn't getting updated. Can you do something about that? tedder (talk) 18:36, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I dread to think how long that list will be after 3 months gap--Jac16888 ^Talk 18:41, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

National Archives ExtravaSCANza

You are invited to the National Archives ExtravaSCANza, taking place every day next week from January 4–7, Wednesday to Saturday, in College Park, Maryland (Washington, DC metro area). Come help me cap off my stint as Wikipedian in Residence at the National Archives with one last success! This will be a casual working event in which Wikipedians are getting together to scan interesting documents at the National Archives related to a different theme each day—currently: spaceflight, women's suffrage, Chile, and battleships—for use on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. The event is being held on multiple days, and in the evenings and weekend, so that as many locals and out-of-towners from nearby regions1 as possible can come. Please join us! Dominic·t 01:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC) 1 Wikipedians from DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York City, and Pittsburgh have been invited.

Spammer. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:45, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Bully. Dominic·t 19:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

sbm --MZMcBride (talk) 19:26, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Like —Emufarmers^(T/C) 20:06, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

J Milburn being very silly

Hi. Just wanted to let you know that, because I made a mistake in a message, I temporarily blocked EdwardsBot. It's unblocked now, and, though I had to do a second run because it was unable to deliver messages to a hunk of the list, it's working fine. Sorry! J Milburn (talk) 01:50, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Twice now... --MZMcBride (talk) 18:36, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Have you considered previewing your message first before sending it out? You can copy and paste the text into the browser and hit "show preview" or you can use yourself on a test input list (in a sandbox somewhere or something). All the bot does essentially is copy and paste the text and then lets MediaWiki do all the magic expansion. That's why "~~~~" expands as the bot.

There's no real stop feature in the bot (it even ignores blocks and just continues to run through the list, I think...), so it's good to be careful. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:42, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm really sorry about that. I've been using the bot for a while without problems this bad (I was panicking and rushing when I blocked it a few minutes ago), and I always save the message elsewhere first to look through it; I just cocked up. I'll certainly be more careful in future. Thanks for allowing us to use the bot, by the way- it's an absolute life-saver when I can use it correctly. J Milburn (talk) 19:07, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

No worries about the blocks. Though if this continues, EdwardsBot's block log will be longer than mine... I'll have to catch up. Happy new year! :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 22:48, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Colloquy.gif

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Thanks for uploading File:Colloquy.gif. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk) 03:47, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

watcher and women

you remember? ;) if it annoys you that i poke you monthly let me know ;) by the way: happy new year! --Knopfkind (talk) 12:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

bot scripts list

I talked with Doug about User_talk:Doug#bot_scripts. Unfortunately, i do not know how to make this kind of list through TS: TS didn't have stored pages texts, isn't it? So, how could i make this kind of list?--Nickanc (talk) 14:42, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Doug and I briefly talked about database dumps, I think. I was saying that if you have a Toolserver account, you don't usually need to download the dumps locally, as they're available in /mnt/user-store/ (in "dumps" or "dump"). If they're not there already, you can easily wget them on a fast connection. If you have other questions about something you're working on, best to ask them here directly. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Tamanu oil

Howdy, and happy New Year. I think I was asleep at the wheel, but I've just noticed that tamanu oil was deleted back in 2007. I probably wrote it to flesh out what list of vegetable oils has regarding it. I have no memory of it being deleted, and don't want to put my foot in a mess by recreating it, but I can't see any reason why it would have been deleted. It's just another plant oil, after all. Is the reasoning for deleting it still retrievable? And could you pass on what it contained, to give me a bit of a head start on rewriting it? Waitak (talk) 17:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year. You created a redirect to Tamanu Oil, with the target being deleted in 2007 because it was a copyvio and the redirect being deleted because there was no article at the target. Hope that helps. I don't see an issue with you recreating it (though the proper page would probably be Tamanu oil). Killiondude (talk) 19:30, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I may have broken something

Hi MZMcBride. I was playing with your watcher tool and all went well until I accidentally asked how many watchers there were for a page that doesn't exist, which seems to have made it stop calculating how many watchers a centijimbo is. Sorry about that if I did it. (Or possibly you've been doing work on it and this is a complete coincidence, in which case never mind.) 28bytes (talk) 17:47, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I haven't touched the script in months. But if regular users can break a script with bad input, it's the programmer's fault, not the users'. :-)

watcher seems to be working fine right now. It's perfectly acceptable to see how many people are watching a non-existent page (example). Let me know if you have any problems with watcher. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. When I click your link, I see "1 centijimbo is 25.43 watchers" at the top, but when I change "JzG" to "JzG/0", that changes to "1 centijimbo is 1.69 watchers". Similarly checking User:A! vs User:A!! gives 25.43 vs 1.69 for some reason. Previously it gave me internal server/500 errors after the first time it said "1.69" but it seems not to be doing that now. 28bytes (talk) 21:22, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

ULA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.0.9.138 (talk) 09:36, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Toolserver error message

From [1], I got the following error message:

Internal Server Error (500)

The server encountered an internal error and is unable to complete your request at this time. If the problem persists, please contact the owner of the tool you are trying to use and inform them of this error, quoting the following information:

• Request host: toolserver.org
• Request path: GET /~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/watcher.py

The owner of this tool is: mzmcbride [at] toolserver [dot] org.

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HTTP server at toolserver.org - ts-admins [at] toolserver [dot] org

Can this be dealt with (or is it toolserver's fault? ;)HurricaneFan25 02:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Any disambiguation nerds,

I wrote a query to list pages in Category:All disambiguation pages that contain links to deleted articles. There are 100 results available here.

I've been reading up a bit at MOS:DABRL about this. Fascinating stuff. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:25, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Additionally, we have Wikipedia:Disambiguation dos and don'ts and tools:~dispenser/logs/mosdab-enwiki.log. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:34, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

BOT flag in dewiki

Hello MZMcBride. Please request bot flag for EdwardsBot in dewiki. It would make things easier and avoid misunderstandings. Best regards, Siech•Fred ^Home 10:57, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Done: <https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=98203264&oldid=97993723>. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of several articles

Hi. I've proposed deletion of the following articles as they are unreferenced articles that fail to credibly assert notability of the subject and/or fail WP:PLOT:

• 100,000 Airplanes
• 17 People
• 18th and Potomac
• 20 Hours in L.A.
• 2162 Votes - added 13 January 2012
• 365 Days - added 13 January 2012
• A Change Is Gonna Come (The West Wing) - added 13 January 2012
• A Proportional Response - added 13 January 2012

AussieLegend (talk) 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I'd like to see all of the individual episode articles merged into lists by season. Do you have any thoughts about doing that, or is this simply robo-shit dropped on my talk page? --MZMcBride (talk) 18:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

For some reason, season articles for the last two seasons had been created, but not for seasons 1-5. Season 6's article wasn't even acknowledged at List of The West Wing episodes and, while Season 7's was, the episode list wasn't transcluded from The West Wing (season 7), meaning there were two different episode lists for the same season at two different locations. I've now created articles for every season and reworked List of The West Wing episodes, The West Wing (season 6) and The West Wing (season 7). I'm currently going through every episode article to determine which establish notability and which don't, but it's a big job. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:31, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Empty categories report

Hey, long time no talk. Is Wikipedia:Database_reports/Empty_categories broken? It's supposed to be updating daily but hasn't for over a week. It's pretty much the only admin tasks I still regularly undertake so I'm having withdrawals. VegaDark (talk) 08:29, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Global message delivery

Hi, there's a new message on Talk:Global message delivery. Thanks Candalua (talk) 21:10, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I don't have much involvement in the distribution lists. It looks you posted the list to the correct place. It'll be Tilman that you'll want to talk to about specific logistics of global message delivery. Hope that helps. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:14, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|The ed17|ts=00:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)}} Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 00:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

EdwardsBot on ar.wikisource: global message delivery

Hi,

Could you please tell you bot that messages need to be added before categories and interwiki links? And, less important but still desirable, could it enclose the messages on right-to-left language wikis (e.g. Arabic, Farsi, etc.) between <div dir="ltr"> and </div> tags so that the messages appear with correct text direction?

Thank you,

-- Lanhiaze (Reply) —Preceding undated comment added 08:14, 16 January 2012 (UTC).

Why are interwiki and category links at the bottom of the page? Doesn't that get screwed up every time someone uses the "new section" functionality? --MZMcBride (talk) 14:52, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

That seems a really bad choice. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 16:50, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Drought Conditions for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Drought Conditions is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drought Conditions (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. AussieLegend (talk) 11:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

You know, you could spend time merging these articles into season lists rather than finding ones to nominate for deletion. --MZMcBride (talk) 14:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

You know, I'm already doing that, which is why this article was nominated. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:01, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Then why not just redirect the page? I'm confused. --MZMcBride (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

In opposition to the SOPA blackout

Wikipedia is a wiki encyclopedia. Disabling editing and turning the site into a soapbox is a very poor idea. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to everyone who - whatever their opinion - contributed to the discussion about Wikipedia and SOPA. Thank you for being a part of the discussion. Presented by the Wikimedia Foundation.

It was a fairly jackass move to go around spamming people with barnstars using AWB. Please don't ever do that again. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Help with Infobox

Hi. Could you shed some light on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Supreme Court cases#How remove from "Flagged U.S. Supreme Court articles" category?? Thanks. --Noleander (talk) 05:45, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Commented there. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:58, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Report not updated: Stubs included directly in stub categories

Hi, regarding Wikipedia:Database reports/Stubs included directly in stub categories which is built by BernsteinBot (talk · contribs), please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting#Help with report refresh. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:13, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fellows v. Blacksmith/archive1

I made some tweaks to the article and responded to your comments. Savidan 01:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Speedy, speedy. Replied. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:43, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind revisiting your comments are clarifying whether my responses and changes were adequate? Savidan 08:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:Wikipedia category

{{Talkback|Richardguk|Template:Wikipedia category|ts = 03:11, 23 January 2012 (UTC)}}

SCOTUS work

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=472507126&oldid=472235539, if interested. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, and kill the "SCOTUS" parameter. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Compare "v." cases from the volume indices to the master category. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Transclusions of deleted templates

Would it be possible for your bot to update this one? Thank you. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 16:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:18, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Could you update it again? Thank you. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 18:50, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Running now. Is the current update frequency inadequate? --MZMcBride (talk) 22:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

It says "weekly", but it hasn't been updated since October 6? 198.102.153.2 (talk) 20:55, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

It's now been over three weeks, and I see you are working on rewriting things, but it would be very helpful if you could run this one again. Thank you. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 23:48, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Trying again now... fingers crossed. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:29, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

And now done... wtf. Maybe it's load-related? Who knows. Computers are the fucking worst. Thanks for pinging me about this. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:10, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. It would be great if we could get another update (and perhaps for the unused templates page as well). Thank you in advance. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 23:58, 2 December 2011 (UTC) Ping. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 22:05, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, not ignoring you. I tried running this when you pinged a few weeks ago and I tried running it again after your most recent ping. The query keeps getting killed. I briefly looked at the code for the report and didn't see any obvious optimizations. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Strange. I wonder if it is due to database lag or something. It's strange that your other jobs have been running fine. Thanks for trying, and hopefully you can run it again soon. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 00:34, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

If possible, it would be great to try again. I recently found a bunch of transclusions of some French templates (e.g., template:Er). Thank you. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:User pages#RfC: Should "new messages" banner hoaxes be prohibited?

Hi MZMcBride. You participated in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:User pages#Simulating the MediaWiki interface (joke banners redux). I have started an RfC about the issue: Wikipedia talk:User pages#RfC: Should "new messages" banner hoaxes be prohibited?. Cunard (talk) 05:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Poke

Wikipedia:Database reports/Potential biographies of living people (2) needs to be run again. It also needs to exclude articles in Category:Missing people and articles like Jarosław Ziętara (Category:Murder victims?). Thanks hun. --Closedmouth (talk) 17:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:BEAR --MZMcBride (talk) 19:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:TWINK --Closedmouth (talk) 19:30, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, it runs about a trillion times faster now. I updated the on-wiki code as well. The report was already excluding Category:Missing people and some other categories. I expanded those lists and made a few other corrections. YOU'RE WELCOME. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

CHEERS BRO --Closedmouth (talk) 05:56, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Access to User:EdwardsBot

Hello!

I wanted to ask you if it would be possible to grant me access to your bot (e.g. add me to User:EdwardsBot/Access_list) also. I am running User:DrTrigonBot on several wikis (mainly dewiki) and the usage of your bot would be very useful at some point (at the moment mainly for some testing, e.g. on my sandbox). Thanks and greetings --DrTrigon (talk) 20:25, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

List is here: User:EdwardsBot/Access list. I can't edit it. :-) Ask an admin? The {{sudo}} template usually works. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

{{sudo}}  Done MBisanz ^talk 20:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot to both of you! Btw.: What about using a page ending on '.css' or '.js' they are write protected for all users but you (and admins - as usual)... This is the way I store bot config that should not be edited by other users... ;))) Greetings and thanks again --DrTrigon (talk) 21:24, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Request from GOCE

Hi MZMcBride, the Guild of Copy Editors are looking for a more efficient way to deliver its newsletters to its members. Firstly, I am wondering if you would grant access to your bot for this. Secondly, if access is granted, the mailing list of the Guild is currently slightly fragmented. We send mail to those found on Category:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors members, Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/List of participants and Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Mailing List. We then have to remove those who are listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Mailing List/Exclude. As you can see, this is a bit of a nightmare for me, especially since I do this manually using AWB. If access is granted, perhaps you could suggest a better way for us to organize this. Look forward to your thoughts. Cheers! --SMasters (talk) 05:49, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I was also wondering about "Exclude" lists. Is there functionality to support an opt-out list? – Lionel ^(talk) 12:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to use the bot. The access list is here: User:EdwardsBot/Access list. It looks like you're already listed.

Regarding an input list, this seems to be a bit overly complicated. You have a mailing list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Mailing List. Is there some reason you can't simply use that? New members wishing to receive the newsletter can sign up there. People who don't wish to receive the newsletter can simply not be listed there. The bot supports delivering to a category, but it doesn't support exclusion lists (beyond a blanket opt-out list available here: Wikipedia:Bots/Opt-out/EdwardsBot). The simplest and sanest method of doing deliveries (of any kind) is to have a (canonical) list of people you're delivering to and simply maintain that list. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, MZMcBride. I am also affiliated with the GOCE, and have gone ahead with updates to the master list as suggested in this thread. I was wondering if I could get access to the bot as well? That way I could send out newsletters for the Guild without having to ask SMasters, who is unfortunately not available as much as he used to be. Please let me know. Thanks. --Dianna (talk) 13:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

{{sudo}} User:EdwardsBot/Access list is the page that needs updating. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

No, but really... --MZMcBride (talk) 18:27, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, see here. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:01, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I am gonna send out some drive invitations soon and will let you know if things go awry. --Dianna (talk) 04:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

You generally want to include a timestamp somewhere in a talk page post, otherwise the archive bots (and their users) get confused and upset. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:26, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for cleaning up after me in several Supreme Court case articles. I'll figure it out eventually :-) Noleander (talk) 21:57, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem! I secretly find it relaxing to fix up these articles. :-) Thank you for all of your hard work creating these pages. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:05, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

An old deletion

I was considering making a redirect and noticed you deleted this title some years back. [2] I was curious as to what criteria R1 is or was, and if you have any reason to believe this would not be a proper redirect. My76Strat (talk) 18:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. "R1" refers to CSD R1: a broken redirect. The page title previously redirected to Soulive. It looks like Soulive now exists, so feel free to re-create the page as a redirect or as a legitimate article. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:50, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I do have a few considerations to fairly determine this subject is a likely search term and if I do feel restoring the redirect is proper I certainly will, and feel comfortable that you don't object. Cheers. My76Strat (talk) 19:00, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

stalktoy

is blowing up.

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Hurricanefan25 (talk · contribs) 19:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

What URL? --MZMcBride (talk) 23:27, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Wong Kim Ark FAC

Hi. The second FAC for United States v. Wong Kim Ark is still under way, but the number of participants has been small, and I believe it would be helpful to get constructive comments from more people. If you have the time and interest, please consider reviewing the article, then go to the FAC page and offer your comments as appropriate. Note that some extended discussion involving two opposers has been moved to the FAC talk page in order to keep from overloading the main page. Since Wong Kim Ark would, if promoted, become just the second featured SCOTUS case article — and the handling of this FAC may set precedents regarding the standards other SCOTUS articles may need to meet in order to become featured — I think it's important to give this FAC proper attention. Thanks for any input. — Richwales 20:02, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Commented over there. Overall, the article looks good. I just had a few thoughts, most of which can likely be ignored. Good luck with the process. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 20:32, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail re: wiki research

{{you've got mail}}

You have my permission to use my Wikipedia username in your work. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

#7

Te perdono. Killiondude (talk) 23:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

You just got userpaged. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I can feel the love. Killiondude (talk) 07:52, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Aaycock

Walmarting article. Not sure why you deleted this user as he is an anthropologist, Alan Aycock, Ph.D. who coined the term and indicated on my talk page back in 2006 that he had edited my work to clarify the concept when the article was in danger of deletion.

(cur | prev)  09:49, 30 April 2006‎ Aaycock (talk | contribs)‎ (5,725 bytes) (→Background) (undo) 
(cur | prev)  07:54, 30 April 2006‎ Aaycock (talk | contribs)‎ (5,692 bytes) (→Background) (undo) 
(cur | prev)  07:40, 30 April 2006‎ Aaycock (talk | contribs)‎ (5,639 bytes) (→Background) (undo)

He even wrote about the experience of editing in this article: http://www.eric.ed.gov/PDFS/EJ854850.pdf

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about. What do you think I deleted? --MZMcBride (talk) 19:29, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Stub Type Sizes page code

Could you please look into how this page is generated? I noticed, even on February 10, several of the page counts seemed to be way off (more significantly than would occur through normal editing). In fact, the first two categories listed have negative article counts. Dawynn (talk) 23:04, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Yet another database report idea

Pages where XXXX_births is greater than YYYY_deaths. E.g., <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Semon&oldid=475900367>. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Bot hiccup?

The last couple of reports at Wikipedia:Database reports/Non-free files missing a rationale have been null - possible hiccup? Thanks for everything! Skier Dude (talk) 23:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

EdwardsBot to Outreach wiki?

Hi MZMcBride -- I understand you run User:EdwardsBot, and I'd like to have a similar bot in action on the Outreach wiki, so that I can deliver notifications of the date of an upcoming meeting to a list of users' Outreach wiki talk pages. Would you be willing to migrate the bot to the Outreach wiki? Anything you need me to do to help? -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) (talk) 17:29, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi LiAnna. For historical reasons, there's a local bot (User:EdwardsBot/Spam) and a global bot (m:Global message delivery/Spam). The global bot came second and now serves any Wikimedia wiki. So rather than creating a third bot to serve outreach.wikimedia.org, you'll probably just want to use the global bot. :-)

It's a fairly straightforward process (laid out here: m:Global message delivery/Instructions). Basically you'll need to get yourself on the global access list, set up your message, and then tell the bot to start. If you need any help, you can leave a note here (on this talk page) or at m:Talk:Global message delivery. Tilman (in your office) has a bit of experience with global message deliveries, as do Guillaume and a few others. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:35, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks so much. I didn't know the global one existed; that's just what I need. Thanks! -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) (talk) 23:03, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

RTL on talk pages

Hi,

EdwardsBot sends messages in English to village pumps of wikis. It would be nice to have it delivered with correct directionality to right-to-left wikis.

Put simply, if the message is in English and the wiki is RTL, put the content in <div class="mw-content-ltr">. See this for an example.

Thank you. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. The bot echoes what it's given. It's controlled by m:Global message delivery/Spam. I don't believe there's any programmatic way of knowing the directionality of the target site and/or the message content, so I think you need to bother the users who are sending these messages (guillom, Nemo_bis, HaeB, et al.). That is, the bot could, in theory, add the wrapper automatically, but I don't think there's a great way to do so. Instead, the people controlling the bot should add the wrapper as appropriate. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Cross-reference: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=3445479#Marking_directionality_of_messages>. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:42, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Apache Kid

I know this was unintentional, and done in good faith, but a mess has been made of redirects involving Apache Kid, the person, and Apache Kid, the comic-book character. After your changes, which as far as I know were not discussed on any talk page (if they were and I missed them, I apologize), "Apache Kid (comics)" now redirects to Apache Kid, the person.

WikiProject Comics has a consistent titling format, and "Apache Kid (comics)" is the correct for when there is a real-life person or other eneity with the same name as a comics character. "Apache Kid (character)" cannot be moved to "Apache Kid (comics)", where it needs to be for Project consistency, so that's now misdirecting.

Is there any way you could undo your moves so that we can straighten them out. I'm sure you don't want "Apache Kid (comics)" misdirecting to the person, and WikiProject Comics needs to change "Apache Kid (character)", so Im sure we can work this out together.--Tenebrae (talk) 01:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not sure I follow most of your post. I updated most of the redirects and other links. I missed one ("Apache Kid (comics)"), which I just fixed.

The moves were made to give the person (after which the comic character was named) preference for the main title. This is similar to the practice with books that have been made into movies. The book gets "Title" while the film about the book gets "Title (film)". --MZMcBride (talk) 01:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, of course, no question about that: The real-life person gets primacy. My only concern was that the comics character's article be titled "Apache Kid (comics)" rather than "Apache Kid (character)", for consistency within WikiProject Comics. Now that you've graciously made the redirect change, I'll see if I can get an admin to switch "(character)" and "(comics)". Thanks for your help! With regards, Tenebrae (talk) 15:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Ohh, I understand now. Sorry for the inconvenience. Let me know if you need any help finding an admin. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:23, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Scroogle

Hi, I want to give a go at the article Scroogle. Can you undelete it? Or otherwise move it to my user space? Thank you. -- Honorsteem (talk) 12:17, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

No. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Why not? I want to see if I can improve it. -- Honorsteem (talk) 19:31, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, I can't really help you, as I've got no admin powers. But if I did have admin powers, I still wouldn't go poking that bear. Clean start, my ass, you're trouble looking for trouble. Go find somewhere else. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:33, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you don't appreciate my clean start, I put the notice there so that other editors know I'm not 100% green, but beyond that I don't mean anything with it. Anyway. There is a lot of mystery around the Scroogle lemma, and the guy who started it, Brandt, but I have nothing to do with that, and I thought Wikipedia was free of censorship, so yeah I poke. But you were the admin who once deleted it, right? Just to know when I want to do a deletion review, I should go first to you. Afteral, it has been a few years, so maybe now the community has a different view about it (For exmaple, a lot was argued that Scroogle was already in Brandts article, but that has been 14(!) times deleted already...), so now there is nothing regarding Scroogle. -- Honorsteem (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that your clean start doesn't appear to be a clean start. You have followed neither the letter or the spirit of WP:CLEANSTART. MZ, sorry for poking this particular bear here, but the editor in question seems unwilling to engage in the conversation at ANI. Honorsteem, you can easily dispel at least some of the cloud surrounding your clean start. As far as I can tell you have little to hide--unless there is something that has escaped me. Drmies (talk) 00:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Look who's stalking -- Honorsteem (talk) 08:40, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Move request for The Motherfucker With the Hat

I recently initiated a move request asking that The Motherfucker With the Hat be moved to the page title with the lowercase with. In my argument for the move, I called out your edit summary for the move to the other capitalization, so I wanted to give you a heads-up about the discussion so you could rebut, if you wished. The discussion is at Talk:The Motherfucker With the Hat#Requested move. Cheers, --ShelfSkewed Talk 05:36, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. Heading over there now. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:39, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

"_____ in popular culture"

I just saw your response to my inquiry over Skomorokh's talk page. Thank you very much! ---RepublicanJacobite_TheFortyFive 16:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that the thread kind of got buried when Skomorokh was ill. No problem. Glad I could help. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 18:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I hate everyone

In case that wasn't obvious. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, come on - it's not so bad - I merely assumed that #Report not updated: Stubs included directly in stub categories hasn't been acted upon yet because you're busy with something more important. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:00, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Liar. Keegan (talk) 02:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

EdwardsBot's block during a task.

Hello. EdwardsBot was delivering newsletters as it got blocked. It's unblocked now but a huge chunk of the alphabet of people to deliver to is missing. Thought I might let you know.—cyberpower (Chat)(WP Edits: 518,593,146) 03:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello User:MZMcBride, thanks for your involvement in making sure the newsletters are delivered! Could you please see the discussion here? Thanks, Anupam^Talk 04:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Thank you User:Cyberpower678 for notifying User:MZMcBride! Cheers, Anupam^Talk 04:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I just commented over there. I don't really have much more say (not that I had much to begin with).

If the bot is restarted, keeping the same key and using "really start" should force the bot to re-run and skip pages that it's already delivered to.

I don't really have an opinion on whether re-running the bot would be a good idea or not. To be honest, personally, I don't even really like delivery bots. But let's not go around blocking them (looking at you, Aaron!) because you don't understand them or like them. Many editors appreciate this shit. If you don't want to get deliveries from the bot, opt-out of them on an individual basis or opt-out of all of them. It's not difficult. If the bot starts delivering to you (and others) after you've opted out, then it might be a reasonable time to start considering a block. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, I'm trying to be nice here: I didn't block your bot because I don't like newsletters, or because I don't understand it. I blocked it because it did not appear to be performing appropiately. The subscription list linked from the newsletters did not match the edits the bot was making. If you'd been nice to me, we'd be sipping tea now and carrying on about old times. But instead you've got a burr in your biscuit and are really not being polite. Instead you keep personalising this, like it's about me or something. Please stop doing that, it's not helpful, and it actually hurts my feelings. - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 05:18, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is the we weren't using the subscription list on the Outreach page which gave the appearance the bot was running amuck, and on the other hand the bot was performing the task it had been given with no irregularity. Blocking a bot that is performing per instructions can be frustrating. But people, this was hours ago. Can we just have that tea now???? – Lionel ^(talk) 05:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not trying to personalize this. I actually kind of like you on most other days.

It probably doesn't help that I was tired and hungry and then this shit hit the fan.

Anyway, I see you unblocked the bot. Thank you for that. You're free to submit the bot for re-confirmation through the bot approval process if you feel it's necessary and appropriate or you're more than welcome to update the bot's user page. I think better advertising the opt-out option would be good. I wrote the feature one day (and it's mentioned on User talk:EdwardsBot), but it's obscure currently. In general, EdwardsBot is a pretty popular (and uncontroversial) bot, as I think you've discovered.

Tea sounds great. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 05:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm having some now, black with two sugars. I'm also tired and hungry, so maybe not at 100% on my end. I'm going to add a little flavour-text to User:EdwardsBot, thanks for the invitation. - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 05:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think many people overreacted to several different issues (real or perceived) tonight. C'est le Wikipedia or something. And yes, a nice page describing what EdwardsBot does would probably be helpful. I can help with that! Killiondude (talk) 05:40, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I created User:EdwardsBot/FAQ for this purpose. It's transcluded on User:EdwardsBot. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:27, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:User page

Added in this edit, removed in this edit.

I don't really see the point of this. This page is a user talk page, not a user page. You know so because it says so in the page title and in the page URL. Not that everyone will get that, but the ones who don't probably can't be helped by the addition of a banner.

The entire concept of a templated version of a statement saying "This is a Wikipedia user page" etc. always seemed kind of silly. It doesn't really do much to prevent mirrors and other sites from displaying the same content. There's a bunch of voo-doo nonsense obscurity noise in the current code.

I'm rather skeptical of the whole template. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:12, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Cool. --Closedmouth (talk) 12:20, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Related: bugzilla:34714. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:39, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Tāhōʻēraʻa Huiraʻatira

This is a self redirect. Please fix it. :) -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 22:58, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Eep! Sorry about that; fixed. I really wish MediaWiki would be a bit more descriptive about this type of error. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

User:EdwardsBot/Access list

I was wondering if you'd be able to help me gain access to using User:EdwardsBot to distribute WP:FILM's newsletter. Previous distributors have made use of the bot for ease of delivery but they've since pulled back from working on the newsletter. I've put the page together and just need to distribute it, but I seem to have hit a wall on requesting access. I know you don't have admin access to edit the protected access list, but perhaps you could point me in the direction of someone who'd be able to edit it? Thanks for any help you can give. GRAPPLE X 22:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

You don't say... --MZMcBride (talk) 22:48, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I see you beat me to the punch there. I need to move quicker in future. GRAPPLE X 22:50, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Resending a newsletter using EdwardsBot

Hi, I'm trying to resend a newsletter (original key 0237) that was interrupted. How do I prevent duplicate mailings? – Lionel ^(talk) 06:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Use "Really start" instead of "Start". That should bypass the key check. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! And I'm correct in reusing key "0237"? – Lionel ^(talk) 06:55, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:55, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't appear that that particular string bypasses key check. – Lionel ^(talk) 07:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks like only the global message delivery bot got that change. It should be fixed now. I restarted the bot for you. --MZMcBride (talk) 07:05, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Before you ask... if the bot can't find the key in the current wikitext (because, for example, it's been removed), the bot will post on the talk page again. --MZMcBride (talk) 07:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately you've been hit with collateral damage. I wanted to let you know that I have personally contacted every editor who has raised a concern and am working with them to resolve the issues. When given a complete explanation they have been most understanding. The ratio of complaints to the list size is 0.7% – Lionel ^(talk) 00:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

No worries. I've... err, been through worse here. ;-) I'm a hardened wiki editor; a bit of noise on the bot's talk page isn't going to bother me.

Thanks for dealing with the fall-out. I assume you've learned some lessons for the future. Maybe update the FAQ if you learn anything that others might want to know. Not that people RTFM, but you never know.... --MZMcBride (talk) 01:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

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Please repair broken stub report

This report is not automatically updating. Configuration can be found here. Please review and correct. I would love to see this working again. Dawynn (talk) 18:44, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Please! --Redrose64 (talk) 19:14, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Heh, I appreciate how direct you are. Or at least I'm amused by your directness. :-)

Let me give some background info. That report is pretty bad. It has a lot of false negatives. I knew this (and may have explained it) when the report was created. Basically right now the report goes through every page and looks at the page's templates and categories. If there are no templates in use on a particular page that end in "-stub", but there are categories on that page that end in "stubs", it outputs the page title. However, it's certainly possible that a page has several {{*-stub}} templates, but also has one or two directly added stub categories. Those are all the false negatives, as they wouldn't currently be output in this report.

The problem with the current report (I think) is that the subqueries it's using are so painfully unoptimized in MySQL that the query takes forever to run and eventually gets killed.

In order to be able to specify "directly in stub categories," you need to scan the page text of each page (as far as I know). That's actually a dump report—a project that's currently languishing, to put it mildly.

I'll put this report on my list for this week, but I simply can't make any promises right now. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:38, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 (talk) 15:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I wrote some notes at mw:Laxative. I'm still poking. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:41, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I've spent countless hours over the past few weeks thinking about this problem. I've been discussing it both in real-life and online with a variety of people, trying to figure out a way to make it possible to search such a large volume of text (roughly 64 GB uncompressed) that can't be indexed in an efficient manner. I'm still working on a possible solution that involves renting a very high-memory server from Amazon, but until then, I suppose linear searches aren't too bad. I can iterate through a dump in about 100 minutes. If you add page text searches, it'll add another 20 or 30 minutes, I think. Not great, but workable for now.

So, with regard to this specific request, I have most of it worked out in my head, but you might be able to help me on the corner cases. Essentially what we're doing is searching the wikitext of every article for certain strings (or patterns). The patterns I have in my head for this particular request would be something like...

• \[\[Category:.+stubs\|
• \[\[Category:.+stubs\]\]

Are there any other types of direct stub inclusion code that I should be looking for? I originally thought we could do a search for stubs\]\], but I'm worried about false positives with article links that end in "stubs". --MZMcBride (talk) 17:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm no SQL expert but... one method that I considered would go something like this.

• Start at Category:Stub categories, process sub categories recursively.
• For each category (or sub-cat) being processed, call this category c and do the following:
  • Note all templates which are members of c and whose names match Template:.+\-stub, call this list t
  • Work through article-space members of c and check that a minimum of 1 (one) templates in list t are present in the article's wikitext; don't expand templates because stub templates should be used directly, not as a result of transcluding another
    • If none are found, this is an error so add article to report output

The error condition shown above covers the situations where (a) the category is added directly or (b) the category is in a template, but that template is not a direct member of c; (c) the category is in a valid stub template, but that stub template is itself in another template. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:09, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Your idea has nothing at all to do with XML database dumps, really, but it's an interesting idea, so I'd like to at least explore it.

Based on my reading of your proposal, I think you would have false negatives somewhere around this step: "check that a minimum of 1 (one) templates in list t are present in the article's wikitext." Wouldn't it be possible that a stub article has one template properly ({{foo-stub}}) and then is also categorized directly into a separate stub category ([[Category:Bar stubs]])? In this case, wouldn't the check for only a minimum of one template report that page as being fine when really it should be flagged?

I'm also not quite sure how (b) and (c) would be captured with only a list of articles being output. (a) is obvious; (b) and (c) are not yet obvious to me.

My idea was based on the premise that you'd simply look at direct category inclusion of categories ending in "stubs" by scanning the wikitext of every article for the patterns listed above. This is a much simpler solution.

Do you have a sense of how many stub articles there are currently on the English Wikipedia? Are we talking about 10,000 articles, 50,000 articles, 1,000,000 articles? --MZMcBride (talk) 19:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

P.S. It looks like Stubs included directly in stub categories (configuration) finally updated again on March 13.

When processing [[Category:Bar stubs]], {{foo-stub}} is not a member of that category so will not be in t, but we don't care about that at this stage. We're looking for {{bar-stub}}, because that's a member of [[Category:Bar stubs]], so it's the absence of {{bar-stub}} that is the error. If an article has {{foo-stub}} that will be picked up when processing [[Category:Foo stubs]] and is not an error when processing [[Category:Bar stubs]].

A simple case. Let's say that in the course of working through the category tree we've reached Category:Christian Democratic Appeal politician stubs; this is our category c. It contains one template whose name ends -stub - it is {{Netherlands-CDA-politician-stub}}. This is the sole entry in our list t for category c. We then open the wikitext for each article in c in turn: Marius van Amelsvoort contains {{Netherlands-CDA-politician-stub}} which is a member of t, so no error; we process the others similarly, and eventually reach Johan Kremers which does not contain anything in t - this is an error, and so Johan Kremers should be added to the report. We then continue for the remaining articles in c. After those we check for subcats - but c has none, so processing of that cat has finished and we can move to the next in its parent.

A more complicated case. In the course of processing we've now reached Category:Sports event stubs; this is now our category c. c contains four templates whose names end -stub - they are {{Sport-event-stub}}, {{Archery-competition-stub}}, {{Fieldhockey-competition-stub}}, {{Softball-competition-stub}}, and those four constitute list t for category c. We then open the wikitext for each article in c in turn: 11th National Winter Games of the People's Republic of China contains {{sport-event-stub}} which is a member of t, so there is no error and we move on to the next (the article also contains {{PRChina-sport-stub}} but we don't care about that because it's not in t); eventually we reach 2019 Pan American Games which does not contain any of the templates in t, so we report it as an error. We then continue for the remaining articles in c. After those we check for subcats - c contains 26 subcategories (some having their own sub-cats), each of which should also be processed, but as a separate operation with their own c and t.

(b) and (c) are covered because we only process the wikitext for the article: we're looking for templates in that (specifically, any of those in t), but we don't expand any templates, stub or otherwise. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Is every category ending in " stubs" in Category:Stub categories? --MZMcBride (talk) 02:33, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

They should be. That is, Stub cats which have been set up properly will bear a {{Stub category}} at the top, which always puts the cat into Category:Stub categories directly. Other stub categories may also be specified, indicating a place in the cat tree which is rooted at Category:Stub categories. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:31, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

The reason I asked is that I've wanted to have a decent script for recursively fetching category members of a category for a long time. This may make a good test case. It looks like there are about 10,700-ish categories that end in " stubs". Presumably recursing through Category:Stub categories and listing every Category page within it will result in a list that's identical to the list of Category pages ending in " stubs". Once there's a reliable way to get a list of every subcategory in a tree, iterating through the list and doing the checks you want to do is trivial. You basically just want a for loop that's something along the lines of: for category in big_list_of_stub_categories: get_templates(category); and then for article in get_category_members(category): do_template_check_of_wikitext(article). If there's a wikitext match, continue; if there's not a wikitext match, output the page title to be checked later by a human.

The only hiccup would be if there are cases where you have "Category:A" which contains "Template:A-stubs" and also contains a subcategory "Category:Ab". If you want to check the members of the subcategory "Ab" for the template "A-stubs", that would be significantly more complex. But in this case, you'd just be checking for the template "Ab-stubs", right? --MZMcBride (talk) 17:20, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, most stub templates will categorise into just one stub cat. Some may categorise into two or (rarely) three (see {{asbox}}, around which all stub templates should be constructed), such as {{Albania-writer-stub}} which puts the page into both Category:Albanian people stubs and Category:European writer stubs, but in such instances neither cat should be the ancestor of the other. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

The idea about not expanding templates is so that cases like this will be detected: the stub template {{Novel-stub}} was substed and so the article ended up in Category:Novel stubs because of the |category=Novel stubs within {{asbox}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:57, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Progress!

Hi. I started working on this. I put some data here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=486028053>. Can you take a look at this list of anomalies and fix them (or let me know if they're false positives)?

E.g., Category:Iranian writer stubs contains a bunch of subcategories that all don't end in " stubs" (Category:Iranian poets, Category:Iranian screenwriters, etc.). When I compare "Iranian writer stubs" to a category such as Category:American writer stubs where all the subcategories end in " stubs", it seems like there are issues that need to be addressed here. Once the issues from this list are addressed, we can move forward. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:05, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

The seven sub-cats of Category:Iranian writer stubs were all errors. One of them is mis-spelled (Category:Iranian editor subs should be Category:Iranian editor stubs) but I'll bring that to the attention of WP:WSS. As for the rest: consider that we need a means for removing the stub marker from a decent-length article. It is therefore improper to make a normal category into a sub-cat of a stub category, because there is then no direct stub marker which can be removed. To put it another way: is it likely that all Category:Iranian translators are going to be stub articles on a permanent basis? We can thus state that a stub category cannot have non-stub subcategories. Regarding details: one (Category:Iranian translators) should have been a sub-cat of Category:Iranian writers instead, and the rest were already sub-cats of Category:Iranian writers so merely needed the removal of Category:Iranian writer stubs. I've fixed all these.

The general rule is that membership of a stub category is restricted to three classes: (i) stub templates; (ii) articles which bear those stub templates; (iii) other stub categories.

--Redrose64 (talk) 15:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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I worked on this a bit further. For a category such as Category:Slovenia stubs, Template:Slovenia-stub is properly categorized, but Template:Slovenia-hist-stub (a redirect) is not. So when the category members are checked for {{Slovenia-stub}}, they're flagged as not matching, because all of the articles use {{Slovenia-hist-stub}}, which isn't in the "templates to check for" list, as it isn't associated with this category.

I guess this means I need to check for redirects to every template? Hmm. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:39, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, sorry. I forgot about the redirects. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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POINT OF CLARIFICATION: do you want to check the wikitext of each page for the string {{foo-stub}} or is it enough to check the page's templatelinks entries? (That is, the database tracks template usage on a per-page basis. Is checking these records sufficient? Doing so is vastly easier than checking wikitext with regular expressions.) --MZMcBride (talk) 20:55, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

It should be sufficient. So that we can be sure about this, do you think that you could detect a page in template space which bears a stub template? --Redrose64 (talk) 15:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hmm, well, doing this in a linear fashion by iterating through Category:Stub categories is simply untenable, I think. There are about 10,800 stub categories. Even if each had only one article, you'd be pushing the limit of what you want to do in a linear fashion (10,800 entries at 1/second is over 3 hours of processing). But of course each stub category has dozens (if not hundreds) of entries. So we're talking about tens of thousands of entries to check. Not going to happen. It took 112 minutes to get through 49 categories. It found a few good results (e.g., Jimmy Paxson); but that was at a rate of one or two per 50 stub categories checked.

At this rate, it'll take months to go through every article. There are simply too many stubs to check their wikitext on an individual basis. That gives a few options going forward:

• scanning an XML dump for articles that contain "Category... stubs" or variants, as I originally proposed
• trying to batch the requests for wikitext to the API (even at ten articles/request, we're still talking about thousands of requests, though)
• checking templatelinks instead of checking the wikitext (should be much, much faster; still a fuckton of queries)

Let me know if you have any thoughts on this. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:04, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

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I just did a bit of further research. There are approximately 1,647,033 stub articles (articles within Category:Stub categories and its subcategories). I'm not sure this project is worth checking 1.6 million pages individually (whether it's their wikitext, their templatelinks, or anything else). I think you need a dump scan here. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, done

I said "fuck it" sometime last night and decided to just iterate through all 1.6 million stubs. Stubs included directly in stub categories (configuration) has updated now. It has some weird false positives that need investigation. Please let me know if you notice any false negatives. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:25, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

You're invited: Smithsonian Institution Women in Science Edit-a-Thon!

Who should come? You should. Really.
	She Blinded Me with Science: Smithsonian Women in Science Edit-a-Thon will be held on Friday, March 30, 2012 at the Smithsonian Archives in Washington, D.C. This edit-a-thon will focus on improving and writing Wikipedia content about women from the Smithsonian who contributed to the sciences. It will be followed by a happy hour meetup! We look forward to seeing you there!

Sarah (talk) 23:39, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Could you take a look?

I was pointed to you at VPT, where I raised an issue with Wikipedia:Database reports/Broken redirects. Would you mind taking a look? Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll poke in a minute. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:43, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Bot for the Wikipedia Education Program in WP:PT

Dear MZMcBride, how are you? I'd like to know if you can help me in seting up a bot for delivering messages for ambassadors of the Wikipedia Education Program in Brazil. Jessie just pointed out the bot EdwardsBot, and I'd like to know how to make a similar bot for our project. If you may answer here, I'd appreciate. Thanks, --everton137 (talk) 17:17, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

There's a global bot. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks. Now I undertood how to use it. May you, please, add me on this list? You can add my Wikimedia Foundation account, ezalvarenga in case you think it's better. Thanks! --everton137 (talk) 23:43, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Done. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:50, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Cheers, --everton137 (talk) 00:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Any idea what's up with Ed?

LivingBot was not in the mood to do any Signpost work on en.wp today either, after we'd been messing around with some of the toolserver code, though I don't see how this might be related to EdwardsBot's disinclination to deliver given that the contents of the /Spam page doesn't seem dependent on anything too exotic. Any ideas? Skomorokh 02:32, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just poking a bit. It looks like this is the culprit. Lag has gone all crazy, including the API lag. The global bot seems to have gotten stuck on en.wikipedia.org while the local bot seems to not even be capable of starting. Not sure there's much that can be done besides waiting. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

That sounds plausible. Suppose I'll check back with it in the morning UTC (once I'm done having vivid, scarring nightmares of manual talkpage delivery). Appreciate your help as always, Skomorokh 02:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

This shows the database lag. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Related: this and this. Without someone depooling the server or fixing the lag, there's not much I can do but wait. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:37, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Asher replied.

I'm restarting the bots now. --MZMcBride (talk) 13:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

SCOTUSRow

You created {{SCOTUSRow}}. It does not handle cases like Brown v. United States, which require the article name to include the year (see Special:WhatLinksHere/Brown v. United States). As can be seen with Bingham v. Cabot (1795), Bingham v. Cabot (1795), Bingham v. Cabot (1798), Bond v. United States (2000), Bond v. United States (2011), United States v. Wise (1962), a convention for distinguishing such cases has already been established. Would you might changing the template to support such a convention? Thank you. 72.244.204.223 (talk) 05:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Can't you specify case link? So instead of ...

{{SCOTUSRow
| case name = Brown v. United States
| page = 110
| decision date =
| decision year = 1814
}}

it would be...

{{SCOTUSRow
| case link = Brown v. United States (1814)
| case name = Brown v. United States
| page = 110
| decision date =
| decision year = 1814
}}

That should work already, no? Or did you want something else? --MZMcBride (talk) 05:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

MarkMonitor

Hi MzMcBride. I'm about to submit my {{request edit}} to sync the MarkMonitor draft with live space. I thought you may be interested in fulfilling the request since you were involved a bit in shaping the article and have an apparent interest in the subject.

It turns out I can't add Apple to the article myself, due to the awkward real-life conflict of repeating a customer relationship that doesn't appear to have been disclosed intentionally. In any case I won't WP:OWN.

If you're interested in continuing the chat about paid editing, my Talk page is always open. I've been just as active talking to Wikipedia:WikiProject Paid Advocacy Watch as Wikiproject Cooperation. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 00:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject PAW, huh? I think that name is already taken.... ;-)

I suppose I can sync the content for you now. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I just put the logo back in, in the usual infobox and slapped the request edit on the Talk page.

Some people - my mentor included - are members of both PAIDWATCH and Wikiproject Cooperation. I've also declared my support for both in some form.

Anyways, really appreciate your time. It's tough chasing folks down for request edits or to discuss content and so forth.

User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 01:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I replied here. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

tb

{{tb|User Talk:Metallurgist}}

OMG

"The fact that someone finds something to not be useful (or to be useless) is a compelling deletion argument to me."

There's always someone who finds everything useless. Doesn't mean it's not useful to others. Rich Farmbrough, 13:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC).

Well, it's a matter of weighing the usefulness in the course of a deletion discussion, isn't it? You said, "Also the fact that you don't find something useful is not a compelling deletion argument." I replied, "The fact that someone finds something to not be useful (or to be useless) is a compelling deletion argument to me."

I think this is compelling if the template is actually useless. I don't think we need to take one person's opinion about whether something is useful as the word of God, obviously, but if someone comes along and says "this template/category/whatever seems useless, it can be deleted," I think that's reasonable and rational. They may end up being wrong (i.e., the template/category/whatever is actually useful due to reasons X, Y, and Z), but I wouldn't fault someone for nominating something for deletion because they feel it isn't useful. That's the whole point of deletion discussions. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 15:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes I agree. The funny thing is, of course, that the category was useful to me, and the nominator, realizing this, came and suggested a "compromise", if it could be pressed into slightly wider use. Which was nice. So I started using it on a rather important group of categories - not realizing that the deletion had actually succeeded, due to my pathetic explanation as much as anything - and now "using a deleted category" has being cited as one of several reasons to de-sysop, block, ban and other-wise do nasty things. Oh well, onwards and upwards as we say! Rich Farmbrough, 01:04, 2 April 2012 (UTC).

Database reports

Hi, just came across Wikipedia:Database reports/Templates transcluded on the most pages and it came to my mind that it would be useful to have a similar list at my "home" wiki, the Norwegian WP, where I have a bot. Would you be interested in sharing how you collect the data? – Danmichaelo (talk) 23:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how much you know about computers, so I'll just point you to the source code for now: Wikipedia:Database reports/Templates transcluded on the most pages/Configuration.

If you have further questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask here. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:58, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Tools:~mzmcbride/yanker

Hi. Not urgent by any means, but I noticed the checkboxes for namespace selection for this tool are extremely small for Chrome users. Killiondude (talk) 00:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Can you take a screenshot or something? They look a little bit smaller to me, but not extremely small. I'm not sure what the possible fixes are for something like this.... --MZMcBride (talk) 02:49, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the fixes would be, either. I suppose Google just has to fix it on their end. But here's Firefox and here's Chrome screenshots. I would say that the Chrome boxes are about 1/4th the size of the Firefox (normal) ones. Killiondude (talk) 04:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Huh, weird. It isn't nearly that extreme for me. I'll look into this. I think it has to do with how the HTML is currently constructed. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:31, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Just so I don't lose this info...

<label><input type="checkbox" /></label>

Source: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6293588/how-to-create-an-html-checkbox-with-a-clickable-label

Current code looks like this:

<td style="border:none;"><input id="ns0" type="checkbox" name="namespace" value="0" /></td>
<td style="border:none;"><label for="ns0">(Main)</label></td>

Code needs to be added to the cgi-tools GitHub repo and then cleaned up. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:52, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I poked at this on a Windows machine just now. It has nothing to do with how the HTML is constructed (though the HTML should probably be a bit smarter). It has to do with the following CSS directive:

input {
    width:100%;
}

This applies to the checkboxes and for whatever reason makes them unusually small in Google Chrome. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:09, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I need to also adjust the <form> action parameter and kill a bunch of http links throughout cgi-tools. Bah. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:59, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

And how! Killiondude (talk) 21:02, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Seraphim Shock

I'd like to ask what the reason was for the deletion of the page for Seraphim Shock? As they produced a number of albums and have a registered band history I see no reason why they shouldn't have a band page too?

Jellinator (talk) 17:28, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Looking at the page's deletion log, it seems it was created once as a very spammy article and created once as a copy-paste from the band's Web site. I have no idea if the band is notable. You probably want to make a subpage in your userspace (at User:Jellinator/Seraphim Shock or wherever) and create a decent draft before trying again. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:38, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Database request

Now that toolserver is finally coming on-line, could you do a requested? Could you run some past days worth of Wikipedia:Database reports/Recently created biographies of living people? It would be nice and not nice to do as many days as possible... It was sure wonderful having a break from the daily routine. I'm not looking forward to catching up the on the past days and starting the routine over again. Bgwhite (talk) 20:57, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

This should be running now. Let me know if there are any days missing for which you want the data. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Bgwhite looks at Category:Biography articles without listas parameter that was empty and now has 875 entries. Puts fist into the air and takes MZMcBride's name in vain and all sorts of other ways. He realizes these are only half the names that are on the database reports, crying ensues.

Yea, there will be a few more days needed, but let me catch up on these first. Sniff. Bgwhite (talk) 04:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Supreme Court case article

You wrote that Mr. Florence was driving and that his three children were in the car. Where did you get this information? The NYT article of 2011 and the one just out say the wife was driving and there was a son in the back seat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.179.16.86 (talk) 02:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that discrepancy as well. I went with the Christian Science Monitor (which is cite 3 on the article currently). The news article says:

"Albert Florence was riding in the family car with his wife and three children when a police officer pulled the vehicle over. Mr. Florence was arrested for an outstanding warrant issued in Essex County."

I guess a more definitive source would be his original filing, maybe? If it mentions the number of kids in the car.

Tangential: pretty fucked up case, isn't it? Arrested for driving while black in New Jersey, spends nearly a week in jail, two strip searches, and then he ends up losing at the Supreme Court. And now we all lose. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:29, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

BernsteinBot

BernsteinBot's count for this week's edits seems very low. I am wondering if (since it missed a week) something might be wrong.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I believe there are several threads on WP:VPT about the Toolserver being kinda broken until recently. This may have played into it. Killiondude (talk) 05:24, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Toolserver is still not 100%. For example, there is currently a ~25 hour replication lag. This was the last message put out about 16 hours ago. Bgwhite (talk) 06:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the note. Fixed! --MZMcBride (talk) 14:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey

Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite Hello MZMcBride. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released. Please click HERE to participate. Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts. You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 00:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikimarkup injection attack?!

oh noooooo :( In all seriousness, though, that gadget is a bit messed up. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:24, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I like how this introduction to editing Wikipedia resembles nothing like actually editing Wikipedia. "Here's this neat input form... THAT YOU'LL NEVER SEE ANYWHERE ELSE." --MZMcBride (talk) 16:29, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah...that's kinda the problem with the Wikipedia learning curve, though; the real editing interface isn't user-friendly at all. I still get lost in the maze of Courier New on occasion. Is there a middle ground that can be struck? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

It's only a problem if you fail to properly address it. I posted the rest of my thoughts on this particular issue here. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

"Wikiafication"

ILU

By the way, is there any chance you can fix the annoying parser limit error at the bottom of the montly Commons DR pages? See the bottom of commons:Commons:Deletion requests/2012/02. Thanks. MBisanz ^talk 17:49, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

You'll need to split the page. It's simply too long. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

This article combined with the gist of this blog (that schools would have to give up student guality to maintain quantity), is very similar to the problems you and KC seem to be touching on with the TeaHouse. The idea that Wikipedia needs to keep growing like it has before and to tap new bases of editors, many of whom have no idea how to edit (which would include huge numbers of people who probably shouldn't be editing and haven't thus far because it's too hard), is a bit hard for me to accept. Seems like a good way to spoil the soup that made Wikipedia work all along; the no holds barred, impersonal, content matters more than editors, reverting culture. MBisanz ^talk 17:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

If you'll forgive my intrusion, it seems to me that the best thing the Teahouse can provide (and sufficient reason for it to continue) is to make the sheer technical ability hurdle not quite as high. It seems that a lot of people are very afraid of computers (as completely alien as that is to me). Having mucked around with computers for a few years now, I myself have generally discovered that most computer problems can be solved by fiddling with various things and reading help prompts, googled forum posts, man pages, etc. when appropriate, and that's been the paradigm for new editors to become used to Wikipedia. But for computer-illiterates, that's just not enough. I don't think the Teahouse is intended to lower the minimum cluefulness/content competence/whatever standards for editors; for me, it's more intended to remove the purely technical aspect of it. I mean, is "confidence and skill in dealing with computers" really a required trait that editors need to have? And also, a relative outsider's perspective here, so take it as you will: do you think "content matters more than editors" is still true? I'm not so sure... Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I would hope the content is still most important, as I joined Wikipedia as an encyclopedia; Facebook serves my needs for valuing friend connections. And, I don't see how the Teahouse having a different UI and different (kinder) editing environment will encourage people to actually read the pages of how to edit the hard way. If they weren't going to do it before the Teahouse, they won't after (at least to balance the resources required to get them editing). Also, the idea that we must recruit every possible editor (instead of those driven to futz around and learn things as you describe), seems like a good way to get a lot of people who are more set on the personalities than the content. I've had to deal with a fairly large number of users over the years who meant well and wanted to edit, were nice, but weren't cut out for editing because they couldn't handle the lack of interest or value assigned to their personal contributions. MBisanz ^talk 18:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

(ec) I consider the whole "editors vs. content" question can be a bit of a false dichotomy depending upon how it is used. However: The content is paramount; we are an encyclopedia first, not a social network. We should certainly attempt to make this a collegiate working environment for volunteers. This is why we have behavioral guidelines. But that is providing a decent environment in which to write and maintain the encyclopedia, not social support.

Regarding "confidence and skill in dealing with computers" yes it is absolutely necessary. This is also not a remedial computer training site. In short, we are "The free encyclopedia anyone can edit" not "the welcoming friends-based social support network computer training class where we will be using encyclopedia articles as hands on training." One puppy's opinion. KillerChihuahua^?!? 18:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

And now that I have read MBisanz's post, I must agree. Teaching them to not learn how to edit correctly seems counter productive to me. Among other objections, I forsee a possible issue with getting people who think more like bloggers or social networkers, rather than competent editors. I would strongly prefer the Tea Room actually teach them how to edit properly if their goal is retention of editors. We have enough problem children. KillerChihuahua^?!? 18:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I could have sworn I helped edit {{Uw-socialnetwork}}, but apparently I did not. I've handled enough Myspacers to know how to handle them, so if there are problem children, let me know where! MBisanz ^talk 18:50, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I think perhaps you are recalling {{uw-socialnetwork}}. (Case sensitive coding, wiki is. Were you around when it wa s camelCased? ack.) KillerChihuahua^?!? 19:07, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

It was brackets, not caps! And no, I was a 2004/05 newbie and not active until 2007. I can't wait until I have time to edit articles again. But renames away! MBisanz ^talk 19:11, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah, so it is. (looking helplessly for the "like" button. I guess this really isn't a social network!) KillerChihuahua^?!? 19:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Like /me flees. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

LOL MZMcB! KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit war

{{uw-3rr}} ^OohBunnies! Leave a message 19:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:DTTR --MZMcBride (talk) 19:51, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

P.S. If you're going to rudely template the regulars, at least have some sense and use template substitution (the template's "usage" section couldn't be more clear about this). It's bad enough to engage in this type of behavior, but must you do so in the wrong way? Good grief.

It's an edit war template, not exactly a "Welcome to Wikipedia, thank you for contribs!" template. Apologies if I've offended you, but you were in an edit war, and if you're above templates you should be above edit wars too, surely? ^OohBunnies! Leave a message 19:53, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Not offended, just annoyed. The point has nothing to do with welcome templates (or really templates at all). It has to do with editors being courteous enough to write a note rather than simply drop a template like a mindless drone. If I wanted a bot to drop a template on my talk page every time I'd made three reverts in a day, I could surely write one myself. ;-)

Anyway, you should be focusing on the editors who have instituted a silly (and problematic) input form and who are now tag-teaming to keep it alive. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's getting late where I am so I probably am quite akin to a mindless drone right now. Sorry for annoying you, although I'd rather take the brunt of your annoyance than see you blocked over something like an edit war. Best wishes, ^OohBunnies! Leave a message 20:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

At the risk of fueling the flames further, I wasn't being facetious when I was asking you about the changes. I really was asking you. You said no, so I'm not going to do it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Someone else has already reverted so it's a moot point. I appreciate you asking me about the changes, though. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:25, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

OohBunnies!: Having just re-read WP:DTTR, I don't see how you came away that it had anything to do with welcome templates. The introductory paragraph is very clear (and even mentions the exact template you unceremoniously dropped on my talk page):

Wikipedia offers many user talk templates to warn users about possible violations of vandalism ({{uw-vandalism}}), the three-revert rule ({{uw-3rr}}), and other policies and guidelines. You should use these templates carefully.

Your response to being told not to template the regulars (with the included link) still leaves me baffled. I'm not sure how you so thoroughly missed the point. Maybe the essay could be clearer? I'm not sure how, though. :-/ --MZMcBride (talk) 20:25, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Not to play the part of the mind reader, but upon initial read I thought perhaps OohBunnies was talking about the issue of substituting templates (with regard to welcome templates). But it was confusing. Killiondude (talk) 20:38, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I apologised twice, and I really don't want to get into this. It was just a mistake, and I've said sorry for any upset. WP:DTTR is an essay, not policy, and not everyone has to agree with it. There's an essay called WP:Do template the regulars as well, not that I actively conform to either viewpoint. The DTTR essay also advises assuming good faith and taking the template as a reminder or criticism and moving on. Although, if you don't need a template that explains the policy, then you must have known that you were doing something wrong. I wasn't trying to be "patronising or uncivil", I just thought you should stop edit warring. ^OohBunnies! Leave a message 20:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

To clarify for my first comment, I didn't really see how the 3RR template could be taken that way, whereas a template with a welcome message is, to me, patronising. From my point of view, either you knew fine well you were breaking the rules and just doing it anyway or you hadn't realised you were edit warring. ^OohBunnies! Leave a message 21:01, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Sorry to see we are crossing swords on this subject again. But I think we both see the points there. I still think that we both want what is the best for this encyclopedia. You bring the drinks to go with these? Dirk Beetstra T C 06:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

:D

Beer works, right? --MZMcBride (talk) 06:24, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Sure, :-), but I'd have to leave this country for it.  :-(. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 06:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Public art list

Hi MZMcBride. Just curious how you "updated" the List of public art in Washington, D.C. page. It just looks like you changed the format, but didn't necessarily "update" it. It looks rather laundry list-like now, and I think it might be nice to keep the wards a bit cleaner and separated a bit. Thanks! Sarah (talk) 20:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi. A diff of the changes I made is available here. The <big> code was unnecessary, the map was overly large and poorly positioned, each list item included superfluous "This ward includes" text, each list item was using a hyphen instead of an en dash, the bold links were unnecessary, and separating list items with spaces changes the HTML output in an undesirable way (each bullet becomes its own unordered list, rather than being constructed as part of a single unordered list). I also bypassed a few redirects, while I was in there. I "updated" the page by fixing all of these things. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Down the rabbit hole

If anyone ever needs an example of a mind-bogglingly stupid level of bureaucracy, he or she need look no further than Wikipedia:Request an account/Guide (and related pages). My goodness. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I think my problem with tools:~acc is that it's largely the stupid helping the stupid. So when you gather a bunch of its users together to try to discuss improving it, there's really no hope, is there? That isn't to say that everyone who helps create accounts is stupid or that everyone incapable of creating their own account is stupid, but as a general rule, I think it's rather fair.

Regarding a possible switch from a Toolserver tool at tools:~acc to a MediaWiki extension, some people have literally made comments along the line of "without this tool in its current form, spammers and vandals will be able to get through and create accounts!" Yes, Heaven forfend. What if nearly anyone were able to create their own account without having their IP address checked and their possible username and e-mail address scrutinized? It'd be chaos around here.

Even after all these years, the comments that some people here make during technical discussions still blow my mind. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Note to self, note to others

Russavia is the new Ottava. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:53, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

O shit. Rjd0060 (talk) 21:06, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

the old one was not sufficient? KillerChihuahua^?!? 02:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)