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Hi, Acroterion. There appears to be an IP who technically slithered out of a 3RR vio in Mark Lane (author) by creating an account. I'm closing in a similar violation myself. Could you take a look there and see if temporary page protection is warranted? Thanks again! Location (talk) 03:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd quit for the evening about 20 minutes before: I see that AN3 took care of it. Acroterion (talk) 12:37, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! By the way, I've seen various conspiracy-minded editors refer to "conspiracy theorist" as a pejorative that should be stricken from various articles. Do you have any thoughts on that? Although there are plenty of reliable sources for most of the individuals labelled "CTs", I'm not totally against the idea of revisiting the issue in an attempt to find mutually acceptable terminology or wording. Location (talk) 03:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

My experience with the removal of "conspiracy" from "conspiracy theory" is that it's an attempt to portray a fringe phenomenon as something more plausible and reasonable than it really is. It's often flatly nonsensical: the claim that a massive conspiracy engineered by the government demolished the WTC is a conspiracy theory - what else would it be? It certainly posits a conspiracy on a vastly larger scale than 19 guys with box cutters and some guys in Afghanistan. In cases where no actual conspiracy is proposed a better term might be "fringe theory" or the like. Perpetual motion machines would be a fringe theory: their suppression by energy companies would be a conspiracy theory. I've found that the word "theory" is in any case misused, as anyone who hangs around evolution-related topics (or a variety of medical topics) will note. On the other hand, describing an individual as a conspiracy theorist or fringe theorist should be approached with caution, as with any other BLP issue, and I'd avoid it in a biography unless it's entirely beyond dispute, with multiple secondary sources. Acroterion (talk) 05:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree with all of this. It seems obvious to me that anyone who espouses a particular conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theorist, but those who object to the term don't seem to provide a suitable alternative. I've seen "conspiracy researcher" (which doesn't seem appropriate for people like Milton William Cooper, who seems to have simply made stuff up) and "conspiracy author" (which also doesn't seem appropriate for people like Dave Emory who simply talk about them). I wonder if it would be more acceptable to the conspiracy-minded if these articles stated something like "John Doe has been characterized as a conspiracy theorist" but I'm not sure if suggesting attribution violates WP:WEASEL. Location (talk) 08:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

By the way, do you think Category:Conspiracy theorists should be amended to address multiple secondary sources? Location (talk) 08:38, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Need a favor

Could youu pretty please with sugar on top, take a look at the user namedd KanawhaCo. They have butchered the Kanawha County page with tourist data and faux folksy phrasing like swell people and family fun. Normally, I would not care, BUT another editor has stated that I should not post phone numbers in the article. I did not. I was however trying to kindly edit the articleCoal town guy (talk) 15:16, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Eyesnore

Should you hide the revisions edited by Editorbabe because it is considered purely disruptive material? Eyesnore (PC) 17:14, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Done, though I generally agree with Riana. It's a bit marginal (we've all been called worse), but certainly intended to be disruptive, just less creative than most. Acroterion (talk) 18:22, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

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The atlas of human cardiac anatomy copyright issues

Hello Acroterion, were the copyright issues that led to page deletion because of the uploaded photo/video? I filled out the necessary forms stating that I'm the creator of that material (or so I thought) via the wikimedia commons media upload. Or, were you referring to some portion of the text? I created that as well. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VHlab (talk • contribs) 22:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it's a direct copy of material that has a clear copyright notice - copyright 2010 University of Minnesota, so you do not (as far as Wikipedia is concerned) have the authority to override a plain copyright notice. You can't lift material (text or image) from a copyrighted source, whether or not you originally wrote it. It either has to be noted as CC-by-SA on the university's website, or it must be donated to Wikipedia by someone at the university with sufficient authority to do so. Acroterion (talk) 22:46, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcoming a newby

Hey- you called it. The user who was changing things on Kanawha County WV is a newby (KanawhaCo) and they have contacted me asking for help and direction. I welcomed them the best I could and provided the 5 Pillars as well as a link to the tea house. Juts thought I would let you know. By the way, they do not work for the county, they just like the place alotCoal town guy (talk) 16:44, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Good job; it's often helpful to follow them a little bit and offer discreet help and encouragement when it looks like it's needed. Just a year ago I ran across this enthusiastic guy writing lots of articles on coal camps in West Virginia and he seems to be doing pretty well. Acroterion (talk) 16:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Dairy Management Inc.

Could you spare a moment to look at the edit history of this page? For some reason one camp of editors insists the group gets no tax money, while another (myself included) return to the NYT cite. Why this is an issue in another mystery. Could you take a gander and help us determine the best course to follow? "In academia the fights are bitter because the stakes are so low." Paul, in Saudi (talk) 17:04, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

It looks like a question of possibly-conflicting sources, and an interpretation on whether the money becomes federal through its method of transmission. It looks like it's being hashed out on the talkpage, but everybody needs to agree on an appropriate way to describe how the money's being, in effect, laundered, albeit in a public manner. I'd want to know less about the checkoffs themselves and more about whether they account for 100% of the money disbursed or not (I haven't read it all in detail, by the way). Acroterion (talk) 17:25, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm in trouble..Why?

So I've gotten a message from you, saying I'm in trouble. But what did I do wrong? Can you explain it to me please. And I apologise for any annoyance I have caused.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrsstypayhorlikson98 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 7 March 2013‎ (UCT)

Thanks for looking out!

Thanks for removing that. I somewhat regret that I didn't get to reply to him that whereas Crohn's disease is incurable, being an asshole isn't! Just another day in Wikiland, eh? And all this from someone who doesn't even know how to spell "bowels". Happy editing, my friend. Thanks again. Gtwfan52 (talk) 22:32, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

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The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar

Thanks for looking out. I don't take stupidity like that too seriously (I actually got refused by a TV station to run a event posting about a Crohn's disease symposium because they didn't think it fitting to talk about "bowels" on TV), but to a younger person who hasn't been dealing with it nearly as long as I, that could have been crushing. Great job defending the wiki, my friend! Gtwfan52 (talk) 22:40, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! - I had the impression from somewhere that in some cultures, "how are your bowels?" was a courteous greeting. I know several people with Crohn's or Crohn's-like symptoms, so I understand that Crohn's is no joke. Acroterion (talk) 23:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.

Thanks for the tips. :)

 Sorry I shall no longer say stuff that may be offending on here....
Wishing you a good day. :)

Oh I have a question for you, the page 'Bertie Gilbert' was deleted; do you know why? I was planning on showing him. That's all. Once again, have a wonderful day! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrsstypayhorlikson98 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Semi protect request

Please can you semi protect my page as it got vandalised. Krilldude (talk) 12:35, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

The only vandalism I see is this [1], and it's not enough to require protection. Acroterion (talk) 12:39, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Advice on Galleries

Hey there- As fate would have it, I have lots and lots of pics of coal towns in WV. I thought about a Gallery for sdome of these places, Jenkinjones, Slab Fork, Whitby, Fireco, etc etc etc. Do you know of any specific rule pertaining to Galleries besides the fact that pic has to be copyright free, your own pic, not free etc etc etc? Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Galleries have fallen out of favor on WP, but article pages on Commons are nothing but galleries, and that, while a lower profile, would be the most appropriate place to do it. Acroterion (talk) 02:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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Big cat

You left a message on my talk page accusing me of edit warring. I reverted the IP's edit at 06:53. I again reverted the IP's edit at 07:20 and LEFT AN EXPLANATORY MESSAGE on the IP's talk page, explaining that the link was to a disambiguation page. Subsequently the IP edited again at 07:34 - I didn't respond or edit again. I don't edit war. I spend most of my WIKI time reverting vandalism and take exception to the accusation. Denisarona (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I know that: I was replying (to some extent on your behalf) to the IP and warning him, not you, and cross-posted to the IP's talkpage. Note the crucial @189.x that precedes it. You're not being warned (though in this kind of case, 3RR would apply to you too, so be careful of that). Big cat is on a lot of watchlists because of some long-term vandalism from a high school in California, so I happened to notice the reverts and the IP's insistence that "America" was somehow appropriate. I agree with you: it's not. Acroterion (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

9/11

I'm not vandalizing, My bottom line is knowing the truth of what happened on that tragic day, and it's not a so-called "conspiracy theory", i did research about the topic proving that 9/11 is an inside job, i mean honestly research tons of information about 9/11 before claiming the truth is this so-called "official story", there's alot of fishy stuff that doesn't make sense about 9/11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cod1337 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, no. Don't do that again, there are lots of other places on the Internet to promote conspiracy theories: this isn't one of them, and it wasn't even a reasonable account of the relevant conspiracy theories. Acroterion (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Refactoring

Sorry, you've mistaken this place as somewhere for you to continue an argument
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
You posted an invalid warning on my talk page which said "Stop harassing other editors: they are permitted to manage their talkpage, within reason, as they see fit. You've made your point, now stop." Actually, you are wrong and therefore should educate yourself on refactoring policy. While an editor is indeed permitted to remove entire comments of other editors from their own talk page, it is a violation to remove only a portion of another editor's comments, resulting in them being presented out-of-context. Per WP:TPO, "Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning, even on your own talk page." Removing a portion of another editor's comments "constitutes a change in meaning, and should only be done by the user who wrote it or someone acting at their explicit request". Purposely misrepresenting what another editor has posted by removing only a portion of their comments is a major refactoring violation. I suggest you stay out of this matter. And it appears that the other editor has finally accepted the policy and has stopped violating the policy. But if it continues, appropriate warnings will continue to be issued and a report at AN/I may be necessary. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 22:50, 11 March 2013 (UTC) Good luck with that.--MONGO 22:56, 11 March 2013 (UTC) "Butt out" isn't an appropriate response. That's why I said "within reason." You appear to be using this as a pretext for escalation and have moved into harassment. I recommend that you stop and consider that you're making things worse by antagonizing editors with whom you should be discussing. Musdan could have handled it better, so could you. Acroterion (talk) 22:58, 11 March 2013 (UTC) The editor repeatedly violated refactoring policy, pure and simple. He was properly warned and referred to the applicable policy, yet chose to ignore it. I would have had no problem at all with him removing my comments in their entirety, as that is certainly his right. But to simply remove select portions of someone else's comments is highly inappropriate. And if you knew that, then your "within reason" comment was disingenuous because the editor's refactoring was a clear violation of the policy. For the record, I did not say "butt out", so putting it in quotes as if I did is a mischaracterization. I said, "I suggest you stay out of this matter." --76.189.111.2 (talk) 23:08, 11 March 2013 (UTC) We're not going to have a meta-argument over the argument you were having with Musdan over how to argue about content. We have an encyclopedia to build, and now that you've both made your points you can get back to making it better. You've heard of de-escalation, I'm sure: please practice it. Acroterion (talk) 00:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC) This is not about content. This about a policy violation issue in which you inexplicably felt the need to inject yourself. You brought this upon yourself. Now we'll see if you want to continue this. I suggest you educate yourself on the terms deescalation and condescension. You've heard of a dictionary: please use it. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 00:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC) I felt the need to stop two editors from an escalating level of shrillness that served no purpose and upset both; that's what I'm supposed to do. It worked. We're not going to do that here. Now that we're done, I'm going to spend an hour putting up drywall. Have a nice evening. Acroterion (talk) 00:23, 12 March 2013 (UTC) (edit conflict) And how's that working out for you right now? And while you obviously feel this need to pat yourself on the back, let's be clear that nothing you did "worked". The editor finally learned his lesson and adhered to the refactoring policy instead of continuously violating it. You preach deescalation, yet have done nothing but escalate this matter, including your sarcasm ("You've heard of de-escalation, I'm sure"). You actually made things worse. And if you can't see that, then perhaps you should not be an administrator. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 00:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

WV Constitutional Convention question

Hey I tried this at the WV Project page, and I got the sound of chirping crickets as a reply, what do you think??- I noted that this was on the to do list, HOWEVER, I have a question.......I looked at about 30 other US state Constitution pages, including the few that are marked as GA. Their specific states constitutional conventions are a redirect to their specific state constitution. Should I Yes or No do this with WV? I am in the process of updating the West Virginia Constitution pageCoal town guy (talk) 18:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)Coal town guy (talk) 13:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

That's probably because nobody took an interest. I would think that West Virginia's unique history would make the WV constitutional convention entertaining as a subject. Acroterion (talk) 23:49, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes and No. The only agreed upon thing at the first convention was they they really did not like old va law, and they wanted to be named something other than va......the second one that resulted in the currently used 1872 constitution was very coolCoal town guy (talk) 12:58, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

HOWEVER, I have a secret weapon for Article 3, the Bill of Rights, I will give you a hint....here and there is no case law for or against it in the state, cool huhCoal town guy (talk) 13:14, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

RevDel request

Would you please revdel these edits [2], [3] from my talk page for obvious reasons? Thanks.--JayJasper (talk) 17:16, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Done. In general, conventional abuse of that sort doesn't need to be revdel'd, but there's no point in leaving it there to make a point on principle. I've also blocked the IP, since they deserve a little discouragement. Acroterion (talk) 17:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt action!--JayJasper (talk) 17:23, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

A bold new world...I think

SO, I thought, WHY NOT propose a new US County Template, given the past year, and tyhe mercurial edits I often revert, or change, I went to the WV Project Talk poage as well as the US County Talk page and posted a NEW and IMPROVED PROPOSED county template. It can be seen here . I did indeed use humor to show that all new knowledge is welcomed, within reason of course. I am open to any and all observations. I do not care if people hate it, or love it, BUT, a discussion needs to take place on this. In my observations, we have some fantastic new folk who, could benefit, IF they were to have a template with comments. Let me know what you think or what you would suggest...Coal town guy (talk) 12:56, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Would it be correct to assume that since nobody has posted an opinion on some of the comments, I can just use this as a county template??Coal town guy (talk) 23:59, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

No doubt as soon as you use it, they'll be all over you. I'd give it a week or two, and would tone down the noinclude comments (though I agree with your sentiment). Acroterion (talk) 00:49, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I can tone them down, some. BUT, I think of all of the editors and the brand new folk and in all good faith, I think if they knew about Wiki travel or had a template with comments, SOME would go away. Otherwise, I honestly do not believe they know what or what not to add. Others, lets face it, they know. In all honesty, it did take me a while to get, oh, look, a county template and oh look, its not used, ALOT. I honestly and in all good conscience want to add value, per guidelines, to a template that everyone, SHOULD use.....Coal town guy (talk) 00:57, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I think the link to WikiVoyage (not WikiTravel) is a good idea, and we should do more along those lines. Acroterion (talk) 01:07, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I toned it down AND I did indeed hiot all 55 WV county pages to try and follow the "current" template. There are a few counties which lack a history section in totum and some had notable residents whose only qualification was the fact that lived in the county and could fog a mirror....Otherwise, I hope more can get into the county section for the US it could be a great article and having a template with comments that speaks to this would be betterCoal town guy (talk) 01:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I UNinvolved myself after another editor told me about how many edits they had and how a much more experienced hand should do it and really as this a free encyclopedia, hoisting a group consensus is a NO NO. (translation...lets let it rot and see if a brighter guy who I agree with comes along)I mean who cares that Featured content relies on consensus? SO, I wisely, stepped awayCoal town guy (talk) 21:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

User:MoFreedom

MoFreedom (talk · contribs)- persistent EW at Joseph McCarthy and Army-McCarthy hearings, and doesn't show any inclination of stopping. User has already been given a final warning, also. -Qxukhgiels (talk) 22:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I've brought it up at AN3. Acroterion (talk) 22:22, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

FYI: [4] and [5]. Location (talk) 02:45, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Cripes. It's not like I haven't explained the issue in detail. I'm about to sign off for the evening. Feel free to report at AN3 if he keeps it up; otherwise I'll try advising him again in the morning. Acroterion (talk) 02:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good. Cheers! Location (talk) 02:52, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm about ready to invoke Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass in Talk:Joseph McCarthy. I don't see further discussion going anywhere. 04:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I've already reached that point - there's no evidence that they've read or understood the policies I've mentioned, nor is there any indication of an understanding of the overall context of the hearings. I'm reminded of some of the conspiracy theorists I've encountered, who hang on to a single fact or inconsistency like grim death, insisting that it overturns everything else. I'm also puzzled as to why he's determined to ignore Evans. Acroterion (talk) 12:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

FYI: You might want to add Laurence Duggan to your watchlist for a short time. I'd like to think I'm keeping an eye on someone with a sketchy history of biased edits, but I want to be careful that I don't cross the line to wikistalking. Hope you're feeling better! Location (talk) 04:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Bobcat article

If you'd bother to have looked at the change log, you'd have noticed that I fixed the vandalism and carefully noted it in the log. kthxbai.216.59.101.243 (talk) 20:22, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Not sure how you came to be warned at all, my apologies. Acroterion (talk) 20:31, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm very sorry for the changes I have made! Actually, I didn't do it; my kid did. Once again, i'm very sorry :) With respect, Nina — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.147.72 (talk) 23:27, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Cookies from heaven

	Here's a plate full of cookies to share!
	Hi Acroterion, here are some delicious cookies to help brighten your day! However, there are too many cookies here for one person to eat all at once, so please share these cookies with at least two other editors by copying {{subst:Sharethecookies}} to their talk pages. Enjoy! Coal town guy (talk) 21:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey, you earned themCoal town guy (talk) 21:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks (nom, nom). I'll pass them along. Acroterion (talk) 22:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Congrats on the promotion of Biscayne National Park to Featured Article! MONGO 20:50, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and thanks for the advice, encouragement, and for beating the bushes for reviewers. Acroterion (talk) 23:52, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

The reason why I removed the comment

I removed it because he was telling a lie. He doesn't know me I'm just a normal IP address. 72.71.213.103 (talk) 00:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

With all due respect, you know better than to insult me. And accusing someone of lying is considered a blatant personal attack. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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Río Grande del Norte National Momument

Hello, I am curious as to why you reverted the Río Grande del Norte National Monument page to the original page. The edits were made by the Bureau of Land Management and are accurate. I am new to editing Wikipedia pages and am not quite sure how it works. Could you please let me know what was wrong? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.124.92.254 (talk) 17:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

As I explained in the edit summary and to the user who made the good-faith edits, the additions were wholesale copy/pastes of the executive proclamation, with no attribution. While it's a public-domain text, incorporation of such material must be explicitly credited. It's better that it be used as a source rather than as verbatim text. I'm planning on following up and using it as a source for expansion, written in somewhat more appropriate non-legislative language. Acroterion (talk) 18:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

We apologize that we did not cite the Proclamation. As stated before, we are new to editing Wikipedia. We look forward to reading your contributions to the page and hope that it will be timely, as we have had several inquiries from the public. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.124.92.254 (talk) 21:15, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually, right now I'm writing a condensed summary using the proclamation as a source. Feel free to amplify, and if you've got some good published references (presumably there are materials from which the proclamation was derived), please use them - I can help with the formatting. Acroterion (talk) 21:22, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I've established a sourced outline that avoids extensive quotation from the proclamation. I've also used the rather nice BLM page for a lot of material. The article suffers from a paucity of images - I notice that the BLM Flickr stream has a lot of nice images, but they're restricted in their use (no commercial use, no derivative use) and can't be used here. Some good public-domain pictures would be a big help. Acroterion (talk) 22:10, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on the page. I have confirmed that the photos on FLICKR should be in the public domain. I will change that now on FLICKR. When using them, please give photographic credit to the U.S. Bureau of Land Management in the following manner:

Bureau of Land Management, or BLM/Photo By _____ (if known), or BLM/State or Field Office (if known)

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.124.92.254 (talk) 17:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! You are welcome to edit the article, remembering that BLM IPs will tend to attract more scrutiny, so edits should be as neutral and factual as possible: see WP:COI and WP:BPCOI for advice on editing subjects with which you are closely associated. Photos should be either public domain (completely unrestricted) or at least CC-by-SA, attribution required, derivative use and commercial use permitted. Most images taken by federal employees on federal time are automatically public domain. Acroterion (talk) 17:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Toby Lane Vineyads

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and I was asked to create a wikipedia page for Toby Lane Vineyards but it was quickly deleted. I can change the style to be more educational if it was too promotional before. All of these similar wineries have Wikipedia pages: Araujo, Bryant Family Vineyard, Colgin Cellars, Dominus Estate, Grace Family Vineyards, Harlan Estate, Opus One, Screaming Eagle, and Sine Qua Non so I don't know what the difference is or why they weren't deleted as well. Can you help me figure out what to change? We are a new winery so we don't have a lot of references yet. Please post a notification on my talk page when you respond. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olivia4nier (talk • contribs) 02:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

There are four problems, all related. In general, we ask that editors avoid topics with which they have a direct connection: that allows enough editorial distance for an appropriate tone and avoidance of overt or implicit promotion. The second problem was that there was no indication of notability, as admitted above, if there aren't many references out in third-party publications the subject may not meet Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines until there is a significant amount of press coverage (of the vineyard or company itself, not just wine reviews). Third, the article was clearly written as promotional material. One would not expect to see lines like "The best way to secure a bottle of their wine is through their Wine Club Reserve List" 'Round, supple tannins provide an enticing framework for the flavors and contribute to a lingering finish" or "It has been suspected that part of the secret to their above average grapes may well be due to the fertilizer the horses provided!" in an encyclopedia, still less glowing tributes from reviewers. The most that might be said on Wikipedia would be "The vineyard's wines have received positive reviews in The Wine Country." Please do not use Wikipedia as a social media marketing opportunity. Finally, it appears that the text was cut-and-pasted from the vineyard's copyrighted website. While there are ways to donate the text, marketing materials (which are after all meant to sell wine if they're doing their job) aren't appropriate for inclusion here anyway. Acroterion (talk) 03:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

By the way, many of the examples you noted are themselves excessively promotional: some drastic editing may be needed there too. Acroterion (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Jarvis Page

Hey how's it going. I made the corrections on the Jarvis(singer) page. Please check and see is it meets the criteria. I ask because I placed all references to show notability. The artist is signed to Capitol Records and has a national song on the radio. I saw where the previous user said I used some of the bio from the site but i attempted to rewrite the entire article and when I hit save edits, you had deleted. I ask that you please review. Thanks a whole lot. (Superkat2 (talk) 03:28, 28 March 2013 (UTC))

The issue wasn't notability - it was advertising, reading like something the artist's agent would write, and in fact you appear to have copied it. Please write a neutrally-worded, non-promotional article that isn't a copyright violation. Acroterion (talk) 11:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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It is not a court with judges or arbitrators that issue binding decisions: we focus on resolving disputes through consensus, compromise, and explanation of policy. Things to remember: Discussions should be civil, calm, concise, neutral, and objective. Comment only about the article's content, not the other editors. Participants who go off-topic or become uncivil may be asked to leave the discussion. Let the other editors know about the discussion by posting {{subst:drn-notice}} on their user talk page. Sign and date your posts with four tildes "~~~~". If you ever need any help, ask one of our volunteers, who will help you as best as they can. You may also wish to read through the FAQ page located here and on the DR/N talkpage. Please take a moment to review the simple guide and join the discussion. Thank you! EarwigBot operator / talk 17:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for March 31 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Rio Grande del Norte National Monument, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Ute, Black bear and River otter (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 19:10, 31 March 2013 (UTC) HEY, need some help! User Wereith has deleted thousands of images per a misinterpretation of WIKI policy. They have edited my user boxes and EVERYBODY ELSES because I used a wiki approved seal of a WV county??? When I checked their contributions, all they have done is remove thousands of images, today. WTF is going on here?Coal town guy (talk) 21:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC) I assume you mean File:Seal of Raleigh County, West Virginia.png, which is in fact tagged as fair-use, so it can't be used in userspace. Acroterion (talk) 21:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC) OK, thats fine, but this person has deleted thousands of images, using AWB........are we to assume they nailed it every time? I am cool if they did that. BUT, raw math tells me, I dont think so...Coal town guy (talk) 21:17, 2 April 2013 (UTC) Hard to tell. Note that they didn't delete anything, they just removed the links. In general it's nicer to ask folks to remove them themselves rather than just swoop in and nuke it. Acroterion (talk) 21:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC) THAT is precisely my contention. I am waaay cool with fair use. Matter of fact, some of the images for some WV articles are MY images I granted fair use to so that they could be used on Wikipedia, which is swell. My ONLY pet peeve is, I am waaay OK with a policy, I am NOT ok with a person doing a set of actions and their "description" is a policy link. Thats an edict, and THAT PISSES ME OFF. You and ALMOST every admin on Wikpedia have done an incredible job and I mean that, at saying, oh by the way, here is why. Thats cool. That is a welcoming transmission of knowledge. The edict stuff, thats bullcrap in the most major form.Coal town guy (talk) 21:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC) Actually policy is fairly clear and is nonnegotiable, would you have preferred that I also quote the policy that I linked to? Restrictions on location. Non-free content is allowed only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in article namespace, Every single file that I have been removing has been non-free, feel free to review my edits to confirm that, but I can assure you that my actions where just to bring pages into compliance with policy, please also see WP:OWN, you do not own any page on wikipedia. Werieth (talk) 22:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC) Policy is clear and non-negotiable, but it's usually kinder to educate other editors and to leave a note do explain what you did and why. Acroterion (talk) 00:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC) Ah I see, I shall reply on your talk page...Coal town guy (talk) 22:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC) Disambiguation link notification for April 8 Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject. 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Any help around this movement would be greatly appreciated because I firmly believe this requires a page on Wikipedia. scrape.it I understand. Then tell me what you think of other articles promoting software is. If that's not promotion then I'm curious to know how you are able to clear identify my case vs the array of other wikipedia articles linking directly to a for-profit website where as mine goes to github. Please help me understand because overall experience on wikipedia has been highly unpleasant, no communication or counter arguments are allowed, solely based on the discretion of individuals without any credentials or knowledge in the area. I highly think this is undemocratic process and there's nothing stopping me from believing that the article was deleted because wikipedia moderators with commercial interests in the existing for profit, non opensource solutions. It's very simple. Don't use Wikipedia for promotion, no matter how benevolent the cause. No technical judgment is implied or made. Accusing those who enforce non-promotional policy of bad faith is unlikely to help your cause. Acroterion (talk) 16:08, 12 April 2013 (UTC) Did I say you were motivated by a possible commercial interest? No I did not, I just said that there's simply no way of knowing that you are not working for any of the other companies and simply trying to squelch new upcoming projects. How is the scrape.it article different from any other wikipedia in that category linking directly to their sales page? How do you feel about commercial software openly promoted on wikipedia and successfully able to evade it? What excuse will you come up next? If you keep making personal attacks and accusations of bad faith, you can expect to be ignored. Acroterion (talk) 16:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC) Tell me this is not promotion? Tell me what makes this article a non promotion? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapy What's different about it, it links directly to the original company? So when somebody that's not me writes an article and links to the website it's okay? Help me understand, I'm just trying to follow your logic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Depta99 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC) I wouldn't call it promotional, but it's got no evidence of notability and no sourcing. Some Google searching indicates that it has some coverage, but overall, it's nothing I'd cite as an example of a good article. Note that the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument carries no weight: we are concerned with your article and your intentions with respect to Wikipedia. You might also wish to review the notability guidelines: has your project received press coverage, which could be used to provide the sourcing and evidence of notability that all Wikipedia article must have?Acroterion (talk) 16:17, 12 April 2013 (UTC) Yes it does as a matter of fact and maybe if the article was still up there I could link other sites talking about Scrape.it request merhaba, please remove urdu wiki links from european islam by country articles, these are wrong. Thanks in advance i tried but..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by عرفان ارشد (talk • contribs) 08:53, 14 April 2013 (UTC) I think you mean the Wikidata links - what is the correct link? It might be better to talk to an editor who reads Urdu for this. Acroterion (talk) 13:36, 14 April 2013 (UTC) User talk:206.45.41.185 Hi Acroterion, please revoke talk page access, tq. Arctic Kangaroo 14:02, 14 April 2013 (UTC) And, ironically, they're edit-warring at every opportunity over something that apparently happened a month ago. Talkpage access removed. Acroterion (talk) 14:03, 14 April 2013 (UTC) Rangeblock needed. Arctic Kangaroo 14:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC) Talk:Eric Loomis Hi, could you delete that? 98book (talk · contribs) re-created the page. Thanks, —Mikemoral♪♫ 01:56, 15 April 2013 (UTC) Deleted and blocked for 48 hours to make the point a bit more clear. Acroterion (talk) 01:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC) Thanks for handling that. —Mikemoral♪♫ 02:04, 15 April 2013 (UTC) Whitley (artist) deletion Hi, just came across the Whitley song "More than Life" on Pandora and was looking for a discography. Surprised to see there was a page that is now deleted, I've never heard an artist that didn't have a wikipedia page. Any thoughts on un-deleting it? Can't see what was there so I have no idea on completeness. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whitley_%28singer%29&action=edit&redlink=1 BR Nathan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wren337 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC) This is all there was: "Whitley is an Australian singer. He has made 2 albums: The Submarine and Go Forth Find Mammoth." Obviously, there's no bar to re-creation, so have at it if you want. Acroterion (talk) 20:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC) Spotted Horse Wyoming Local lore states it was named after a Native American Leader. I am disposed to say yes. BUT, thanks for the pic. I am dam proud to have started this article. By the way, if you ever bicycle to there from Gillete, be prepared to piss syrup for about a week. EGAD, the heat is killerCoal town guy (talk) 23:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC) It wasn't too hot when we were there in 2007, but it was a handy place to stop and stretch our legs - nothing much for 50 miles in either direction! They were gearing up for the overflow from Sturgis, a mere 150 miles away - you can just see the "Welcome Bikers" banner. Acroterion (talk) 01:41, 16 April 2013 (UTC) ? Sorry to be abrupt, but I was confused when my article about my cousin was taken down, please could you explain to me why? and I am in no way in disrespect or disrepute over this, but more confused to such, Guido Espinoza — Preceding unsigned comment added by GuidoDuke (talk • contribs) 22:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC) Please review The guidelines for notability. Small parts, even in West End productions, would not qualify. Biographies must be sourced, particularly where minors are concerned, and sources must support the assertion of notability. Wikipedia isn't a place to publicize individuals who are not already notable. Acroterion (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC) Ok, Thanks for letting me know i will wait a bit longer till he is knowledgeable to others :) Guido Espinoza — Preceding unsigned comment added by GuidoDuke (talk • contribs) 22:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC) Your input is requested Greetings, Acroterion! If we have not met, I'm AutomaticStrikeout. I've come here to ask you to take part in the survey at User:AutomaticStrikeout/Are admins interested in a RfB?. I am trying to gauge the general level of interest that administrators have in running for cratship, as well as pinpoint the factors that affect that interest level. Your input will be appreciated. Happy editing, AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 01:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC) One of the best choices I can think of for crat is Acroterion...but I dare say that I wouldn't want him to seek more flags as it would leave him less time to article writing.--MONGO 01:35, 17 April 2013 (UTC) Thanks, but I have no interest at all in being a 'crat. Others who enjoy that sort of thing are welcome to it. Acroterion (talk) 02:05, 17 April 2013 (UTC) WV County templates, HELP Hey, need some help. Someone had edited the County template for Monroe County. They had | collapse_state = {{{collapse_state|{{{1|}}}} . I edited it back to | collapse_state = {{{collapse_state|{{{1|}}}}}} . Before this, the entire Monroe county template was gone, as was the list of all Monroe County data from each location. I cant tell if it was a bot or not, but whoever sent the bot need to be more careful here.Coal town guy (talk) 02:51, 17 April 2013 (UTC) The Banner (talk · contribs) appears to have made a test edit without actually checking to see if the edit was beneficial. I think you fixed it. Acroterion (talk) 03:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC) I just checked the other counties, its OK for nowCoal town guy (talk) 03:21, 17 April 2013 (UTC) Utah, CA nrhps etc I've been coming across and admiring your past work developing NRHP material in Utah and California counties. You've really made info about a lot of the western U.S. remote NRHP places accessible to the world, by those contributions. :) I'm adding some more to List of RHPs in Inyo and others, by the way. Please see discussion Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Washington County, Utah#merge/reconfigure with separate Zion NRHP list?. I think that moving the Zion NRHP list back into the Washington County Utah list could make sense, tho keeping it as a separate section. --doncram 16:35, 18 April 2013 (UTC) I've responded at the discussion page; seems like a redirect to Washington County with some expanded description could be feasible. Acroterion (talk) 01:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC) User talk:206.45.84.7 FYI, the IP has twice now ([6], [7]) removed the Shared IP notice, contrary to WP:BLANKING and WP:DRC. I did reference those in my initial addition of that notice ([8]), and WP:BLANKING again in my restoral ([9]). Perhaps a short range-block is in order, if the removal of the Shared IP notice continues? Cheers, JoeSperrazza (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2013 (UTC) I saw that: in general I prefer not to argue about that sort of thing unless it's useful that the host be identified, and I don't consider it a block-worthy offense. Contrary to policy, yes, but not in and of itself worth blocking. Note that reversion of such a notice is not exempted under 3RR. Acroterion (talk) 02:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC) I have no problem with a notice if it were to happen that this is a shared IP.. but it's not, until I choose to discard of it. What's suspicious is your contribution history, you are only going after me for some reason, out of all the IPs in the world. And I never even heard of you. How can I do wrong to someone I never encountered, I have no clue. What's your motive joe. 206.45.84.7 (talk) 02:16, 19 April 2013 (UTC) Notice joe is going after me or IPs I have used for spam notices, but not doing it to the other IPs he comes across, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:77.68.143.62&oldid=548683022. I suppose he's bored and decides to pick a random target to troll, by agitating with unnecessary templates. 206.45.84.7 (talk) 02:19, 19 April 2013 (UTC) I've granted you some grace in this case, so I'd strongly advise you to drop it. Acroterion (talk) 02:44, 19 April 2013 (UTC) Serial killer infobox Why do you want to preserve redirects from "Infobox serial killer" to "Infobox murderer"? Indirect jumps cost time and memory overhead, putting an unnecessary burden on Wikipedia's servers. Moreover, the casual reader doesn't see the names of templates; they don't impart any useful information. If the subject of the article is a serial killer, it should be so stated in plain text in the article.71.92.247.84 (talk) 01:13, 21 April 2013 (UTC) Then say so in the edit summary. How are other editors supposed to know that it was a redirect? I didn't, but I'm reverting my changes now that I understand what you were doing. Acroterion (talk) 01:18, 21 April 2013 (UTC) Re: "Please explain the apparently coordinated edits with Illini1234" Hello, The owner of the bus company Suburban Express primarily serves UIUC Students, who call themselves Illini. He recently has been sueing or threatening to sue a number of posters on Reddit. I created a new Wikipedia account because I didn't wish to be sued (even though my edits are factual and referenced). I believe that Illini1234 is another student who had the same feelings. He may have seen my username when creating his. We are not the same person (And I'm willing to personally verify my identity in non-public ways). I did see his edit and move my reference, but it was not "coordinated" in any particular way. For what it's worth, I believe that the controversy section should be there. Would you help me correctly word it such that the given references support it? Or could you explain how I would better reference it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IlliniStudent (talk • contribs) 14:56, 22 April 2013 (UTC) Thanks for the information. You should work out your proposed edits on the article talkpage, and must stick to published reliable sources as defined by WP:V and WP:RS. Opinion columns and personal analysis of court records are not reliable sources. So far, the only reliable source that has been presented is the Daily Illini article (not the opinion column). It would be best if there were multiple independent sources, since a single article in the university newspaper falls short of supporting the notability of the incidents and issues. Please remember that Wikipedia is not a social media platform, and that regardless of what's happening on Reddit or Twitter, you can't present your own analysis of events or court records. A defamatory statement about a driver has already been removed from the article talkpage - see WP:BLP. Please remember that WIkipedia isn't a platform for shaming individuals or companies, nor is it appropriate as a host for ephemera. I'd suggest waiting to see if the issue is significant in six months' time, or if it is covered in major newspapers - see WP:NOTNEWS. See the comments of other contributors at Talk:Suburban Express. Acroterion (talk) 15:10, 22 April 2013 (UTC) Something is not right I do not like the behavior of a user and they appear to be letting many other editors know their dislike.....with, a gusto. User Greg Bard???? Just seems, waaaay above the norm. Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 17:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC) The Bugle: Issue LXXXV, April 2013 Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new Featured and A-Class content Book reviews: Sturmvogel 66 and Hawkeye7 look at aspects of the Pacific War Op-ed: ErrantX considers the rabbit hole of research The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 15:20, 23 April 2013 (UTC) delete iq offices page what was wrong with it? It is a place that exists and should be on wikipedia. Can you please explain the take down. Best, David — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidgeneratecreative (talk • contribs) 22:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC) Replied on your talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC) Please don't delete the article titled "Kristina Dickerson" The article is about my girlfriend who is really having the worst of times and this will cheer her up. No one will use this name and if you want after two days I can delete it but please leave it up for one day. That is all I'm asking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheInsaneDoctor (talk • contribs) 01:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC) You might consider flowers and a nice dinner as an alternate approach. Please don't put it back in article space: it's safe in your userspace for now. Acroterion (talk) 01:58, 25 April 2013 (UTC) Ameristraila This sir, is not a Hoax. Reddit has created a sort of... alliance, and in the last two days it has gained already 10,000 members and growing quickly. While it might just be in good fun, it is actually pretty inspiring. Please see here reddit.com/r/ameristralia. Thank you for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.206.222 (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Unless it gets significant notice in major third-party publications, it's not suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia. Acroterion (talk) 03:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Do you hate freedom? 58.179.52.215 (talk) 06:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Deleting a non-notable joke page is not tantamount to hating freedom.--Mr Fink (talk) 13:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Ameristralia page Please provide a clear, well-defined reason for deleting the Wikipedia page related to Ameristralia. We are a laid back bunch, and only wish to be (if only unofficially) recognized. Take care! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.69.243.232 (talk) 06:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Wikipedia documents pre-existing notability: it does not create it. See the general notability guidelines. Any topic that receives significant notice in multiple third-party publications with a reputation for fact-checking may be included. You should also review WP:MADEUP, which applies here on a larger scale. Acroterion (talk) 11:36, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Would you consider redirecting Ameristralia to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia%E2%80%93United_States_relations? 98.110.172.156 (talk) 14:49, 26 April 2013 (UTC) No: a Reddit meme has no bearing on US-AU relations. Acroterion (talk) 14:51, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Especially since there is no evidence that "Ameristralia" has had even the least effect on US-AU relations.--Mr Fink (talk) 15:46, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Category warring....No, I am not kidding At the agreement of another editor Catalyst 321, I come to you with a less than pleasant situation and BEG for your help. We have a singular user Greg Bard who has a vendetta, or a bug that died up his ass, your choice. EVERYONE else has pretty much tried to say, hey local law is a function of local government, county. BUT OH HELL NO. This has devolved and become a real fecal tsunami with many editors and one man, trying his best, to not listen and be damned rude about it. IF you are able, PLEASE take a look. As fate would have it: war of edits on County Gov in USA. Do you think it needs a lock? The back and forth on the one man remove the local gov crusade is getting mighty thinCoal town guy (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC) I agree that this county government edit war is getting ridiculous, but since I've already commented on part of the dispute, I'd probably be considered involved. I do think someone neutral needs to settle this though. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 19:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Are you OK if I consult with Acroterion(sp?). I think his level thinking would help this along. I will of coutrse mention your name as well because, it is starting to get a tad over te top and halfway up the other side.Coal town guy (talk) 21:56, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Category warring: it's what all the cool kids are doing these days (re:American women novelists). I'm getting ready to head out and will be away for a little while: I'll look at it more closely once I have a little time. Looks like a consensus is developing. There is one, BUT NOT for the singular person in question, hence my message to you. MANY thanks if you take another look!Coal town guy (talk) 23:06, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Gregbard seems to feel that the category is an appropriate place for a discussion of the devolution of rights from state to local government. While the position appears to be technically correct in the strictly legal sense (states have all rights not specifically reserved for the federal government and can allocate them as they see fit), I fail to see why such a dissertation is appropriate by implication in a category, or that a category description is the place to present a summary of state and local legal relationships, sourced or not. Categories are a form of housekeeping for the encyclopedia, not a means of presenting a hierarchy of legal authority. Has Gregbard done anything since the 19th in this area? Acroterion (talk) 00:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC) <redacted> If you want help, you need to dial it back a little: it's over the top to get that upset over a category. Don't repeat your last outburst: seriously. Acroterion (talk) 01:09, 27 April 2013 (UTC) Yes, he has. There are several editors being canvassed. I estimate, myself, Orlady, Nyyttend etc etc etc . I am unable to be non emotive here and need to steo back. I apologize to you in utter sincerity. BUT the edit warring is real and Gregbard is qupting the case law incorrectly. He also does not try to get a consensus. It is as you gathered, annoying. I would, very much appreciate, any look you could give. Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 01:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC) I'm looking at it as inappropriate use of original research, edit-warring against consensus, and inappropriate expansion of categories so that they resemble articles more than the basic framework expected of categories. Acroterion (talk) 01:15, 27 April 2013 (UTC) I would concur. For reasons I would rather not explain, I became rather emotive, I have editied my comments on the main discussion page for this as well as well as apologized to all involved. I would however request, that you please consider that editors who I respect greatly are getting it in the teeth for no good reason here.Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 01:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC) That's fine, best to disengage. That said, has something happened since the 19th to cause concern? Acroterion (talk) 01:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC) Yes, he told Orlady to "BACK OFF" and has initiated a raher unethical downtalking about them. ON many user pages, AFTYER the 19th. Repeatedly. I, as you guessed, did not like that. Also, on a non related note, I found out that I am one of 12 people left alive from my town, not Whitby, sorry. Number 13 was a friend. I thought the editing would help, it did not. I will take a break and be back Monday. However distraught I am, I am sincere in my assesment of the activity since 4/19. Coal town guy (talk) 01:29, 27 April 2013 (UTC) I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I've not found that distractions help much in that kind of situation. I'll see what's going on at Orlady's talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 01:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC) Dont forget to look hereCoal town guy (talk) 01:46, 27 April 2013 (UTC) I did. The reading's rather grim, but I don't see any traction for Gregbard's idiosyncratic view that local government is really state government (the short answer would be: it depends, and varies from state to state and county to county). I specifically don't see any actual, you know, sources, just assertions of superior knowledge. And as I've previously said, when did categories become appropriate places for such arguments? In any case, I've had a long week and will look in tomorrow. Acroterion (talk) 01:52, 27 April 2013 (UTC) Gregbard complained about Orlady at ANI and is now having his own behavior examined. I've commented, and will probably have more to say. As always, caution and temperance is advised at ANI: as Gregbard has illustrated, when you complain about someone at ANI, your hands must in turn be squeaky-clean. Acroterion (talk) 11:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC) My previous replies on this topic were correct for content and spirit, but as I freely admit, I am rather emotive. Had I remained NON emotive I could have possibly commented, BUT I did not and thus, I full understand why I should keep it toned down. That being said, it is nice to know that while emotive, I did indeed note what other editors, far more capable than myself, also saw. I very much appreciate your professionalism here, and regret, I was not able to do so. Many thanksCoal town guy (talk) 12:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC) InnoMen Productions Hi, I just want to know what else I'm missing to make the article accepted. I referenced from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dischan_Media . Do I need to do anything else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helrouis (talk • contribs) 12:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC) Replied on user's talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 12:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC) Ameristralia redux Hello, Acroterion I noticed that you marked the page Ameristalia for deletion under "G3. Pure vandalism, and blatant hoaxes." I was wondering if you could revive the page and allow myself and others to edit it including information explaining that it is actually a joke, listing it under fictional countries, or something similar. I only contact you because I am unfamiliar with normal un-deletion policy, and feel that if I go through the normal route to request it be un-deleted it will be dismissed and there will be nothing I can do. I would very much appreciate it if you could respond on my talk page. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giavoto (talk • contribs) 22:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC) Replied on your talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 01:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC) Final Beginnings There is no such person as "Gorhedz Brunken", and there is no information about the movie. Alex2564 (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC) You're certain that there's no Slovenian filmmaker by that name? Why did you tag it as an attack page? Acroterion (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC) Suburban Express Hello Acroterion. After noticing at least one IP removing sourced content at Suburban Express with no discussion on Talk, I went ahead and semiprotected the article for two weeks. I became aware of the issue through WP:COIN#Suburban Express. If you believe this is excessive, feel free to modify. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 23:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC) Ameristrailia Thank you for responding to my previous message. I realize now that I, foolishly, went along with the crowd without thinking about the fact that this hadn't received any external coverage. I'm green and I haven't learned even a fraction of the information I need to judge critically here on Wikipedia. Maybe it will gain coverage in the future, but for now "Ameristrailia" will be rightfully laid to rest. Again, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giavoto (talk • contribs) 05:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC) No problem, no apology needed. We get a lot of memes, people promoting their YouTube channels, garage bands, gaming clans or non-notable companies, and the answer is essentially the same: show us three national newspaper articles that cover the topic in moderate detail. No harm at all in asking. Acroterion (talk) 11:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC) So three similar articles were just released on different news websites...can we count any of these? Site 1 Site 2 Site 3 Best Regards, Xybris — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xybris (talk • contribs) 11:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Getting there, but all three articles are mainly concerned with the petition; I suspect that most editors would consider the petition inconsequential and would want coverage of the meme itself, rather than the petition. Nevertheless, as an assertion of notability, it would probably not get speedy-deleted. Acroterion (talk) 11:36, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Psychotronic weapons I really would appreciate it if you would read over the Psychotronic weapons page. The sources are anything but fringe, and the Russians themselves have described the program, and its purpose numerous times. These statements have come from Defense Minister's and Putin himself, as well as US military analysts over the last 2 decades. Not acknowledging this on Stalking, and then pointing to Psychotronics (which appears, whether or not the entirety of the page is, to show psychotronics is a "paranormal" invention of a scientist from the 60s) certainly doesn't provide an accurate picture of the situation. If you look at the talk page for Psychotronics it's clear that when I got there, the editors themselves admitted they didn't really know what the term was relating to. I took that as a sign that I could help, and provided a number of military sources to define it--it's difficult being in a position where you are "new" and have knowledge about a specific subject, and a group of people who admit they aren't familiar with the subject continually deride you for answering their question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damonthesis (talk • contribs) 16:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC) I'll take a look when I get a chance: I'd gotten rather tired of batting the same ball around, so I'll wait until I'm feeling a little more patient. Thanks for the apology on the protection, though I really don't expect new editors to be able to accurately parse article histories and protections, so I wasn't especially put out by your belief that I had protected the article. In the meantime, some advice (which Guy Macon has stated concisely at the bottom of the ANI thread): ANI and AN3 are concerned with editor behavior, not with content, and your attitude toward other editors and toward criticism are what's at issue in those places. Content is discussed on the article talkpages or a dispute resolution. Wikipedia is based on consensus, and so far the consensus of editors on the articles you've touched has been united against your proposals (Note that I say "your proposals", not "you."). Don't argue content at ANI or AN3: nobody will pay attention to that. The best thing to do is to lay back, digest what you've heard, and think about consensus-building rather than confrontation. Acroterion (talk) 17:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC) Abandoned French railway Knowing of your interest in things Parisian, I thought I would direct your attention to the Chemin de fer de Petite Ceinture. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 14:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC) I've laid eyes on it and ridden on the part that's used by the RER. It's a nice little relic. An offshoot from the Petit ceinture ended at a freight yard whose air rights were occupied by Les Olympiades, which was where we had classes the year I was in Paris, before it moved to La Villette and became the École nationale supérieure d'architecture de Paris-La Villette. Acroterion (talk) 00:42, 3 May 2013 (UTC) DYK for Devil's Cigarette Lighter Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC) Chandler Sant (username: MEDLMobile) Author of Hang w/ Hi Acroterion, I just created a Wiki page for 'Hang w/' an app that my company has created and I noticed that it has recently been removed by you. As this is my first attempt at creating a Wiki page, I was wondering what it was that I did wrong for future reference. I understand that it was taken off due to 'unambiguous advertising' and that was one of the very things I was trying to avoid; my goal was to act as a third party to simply inform readers about what 'Hang w/,' providing a basic description of what 'Hang w/' is, its functionality, describe its UI, and give credit to those who created it, MEDL Mobile. Hang w/ has recently surpassed over 100,000 users and has reached the top 30 on the iTunes charts. Hang w/ is also endorsed by several celebrities including KASKADE, Coco Crisp, Jamie Kennedy, and Ali Landry. If you could, would you mind reinstating my 'Hang w/ page so that I can make any adjustments that you suggest to make it a better page on Wikipedia? Also, because I did spend some time on it, I dont want to loose the work I put into it. Again I am sorry and I would really appreciate the feedback and to have 'Hang w/' reinstated. Thanks, Chandler Sant Please feel free to respond to my talk page. —Preceding undated comment added 19:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC) Replied on user's talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 20:29, 3 May 2013 (UTC) My articles Hello, do you know how I can find articles that I've created? I mean list of articles that created by me. --NovaSkola (talk) 00:00, 4 May 2013 (UTC) Go to your contributions, look at the bottom toolbar, and there should be a link for "Articles created". You may need to be patient if you've done a lot of them. Since you've made more than 100 articles you'll have to tell it not to truncate: looks like you've done 150 new articles [10]. Acroterion (talk) 01:58, 4 May 2013 (UTC) Thanks a lot. I was searching google but couldn't find this toolbar. --NovaSkola (talk) 12:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC) Questions about TWA 800 edit Hi, I edited the TWA 800 page today and you reverted my change. The reason I saw was that it was a promotion. I added a media reference to a movie with something to say about the crash of TWA 800. I am not a part of that movie's staff or care one way or another about the success or failure of the movie. I watched the movie and, from it learned more about TWA 800. I went to Wikipedia to find out more. It didn't reference the film, and I thought that that was something lacking the Wikipedia article. I added it. Since you don't believe it should be there, please explain. It is, indeed, media that makes a very specific reference to TWA 800. Sincerely, Bob D. San Francisco — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.88.144.155 (talk) 02:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC) "Soapboxing" might have been a better summary. The conspiracy theories associated with TWA 800 are discussed neutrally elsewhere in the article. The "in media" section (which is something that is generally discouraged on Wikipedia these days and really ought to be removed in its entirety) is not a place for soapboxing on "control of the media" or to describe "military responsibility for the accident" as a fact. If the movie is notable and deserving of an article, it might be included with a neutral summary. You should discuss this on the talkpage with other editors first, and there ought to be an article on the movie first, assuming it passes the appropriate notability guidelines. Acroterion (talk) 02:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC) I've removed the "in media" section: such sections are discouraged in featured content reviews, and it was mostly unsourced. Any documentary that discusses the event would be more useful as a source (assuming it passes muster as a reliable source), and dramatizations are rarely notable enough for an article. As for the movie, it was just released: let's see if it gets any notice in the media. Acroterion (talk) 02:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC) Thanks for your explanation. I do not see a difference between my entry and the others, but I see your point about the "in media" section. I need to better understand the goals of Wikipedia, and of the standard procedures for editing the content. I'm not so good at reading through procedures and prefer to just try it. It makes me trust Wikipedia a little more to hear that it is not a free-for-all, but a collaborative enterprise. I am left with an unanswered question. "Shadows of Liberty" brought up TWA flight 800. After learning about the crash from the film (not a dramatization by the way), I went to Wikipedia as a resource. It provided information and associations that I found very useful for answering my questions. If someone arrived at the TWA 800 page shouldn't they be able to see the association with another viewpoint. I guess (now I'm answering my own question) that you want a group of editors to agree that "Shadows of Liberty" is an important thing, and that once that page has been established that it can, and should, be referenced on the TWA 800 page. No response necessary unless you feel I'm still not getting it or something. -Bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobdinsf (talk • contribs) 16:42, 5 May 2013 (UTC) Your summary is on the mark: consensus rules, and notability must be established and agreed upon for the movie to be discussed on Wikipedia in general. I think if it does appear on its own, it would be worth a mention there: not having seen the movie, I gather it's a sort of meta-criticism that uses TWA 800 as an example among others, so I doubt it'd be more than a peripheral topic with respect to TWA 800, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out. The errant missile theory was regarded as unsupported by the NTSB report, which would obviously be the most authoritative source: the movie is more concerned with the reportage than the facts of the event? There is room elsewhere in the article if a consensus develops. As for the section, there was a purge of "in popular culture" sections a few years ago, as consensus developed that they were, generally speaking, a mess that grew and grew to overwhelm more encyclopedic content, becoming coatracks to support tangential discussions or unsourced discursions. Some "in media" sections still persist, but they're slowly disappearing. Acroterion (talk) 16:51, 5 May 2013 (UTC) John Pincus Syndrome Hello there my name I am a grandson of the late John pincus and I have been working on writing an article on my late grandfathers discovery. Unfortunately the article i posted last night was deleted and i havent quite finished working on it i also havent got it all saved so i would appreciate it very much if you could send me a copy of the whole article so i can save it. Thank you in advance Joseph Pincus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ymesh (talk • contribs) 11:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC) About Catrack Sir, I create the official page for my company Catrack Entertainment Private Limited .. The Information used was taken from our official website http://www.catrack.com/ Please let me know why was the page deleted. Regards, Hardik Trehan Executive Director Catrack Entertainment Private Limited — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardik392 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 5 May 2013 (UTC) Blocked as an advertising-only account. Acroterion (talk) 15:35, 5 May 2013 (UTC) Daisy Diamond Hi, I was thinking of creating an article about the film Daisy Diamond and now I see there have previously been some problems - relating to copyright? Would be grateful for more details of this. Picknick99 (talk) 08:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC) Suburban Express Concerted Vandalism Hello Acroterion, A social media campaign by a blogger (negatedvoid - reddit moderator in www.reddit.com/r/UIUC) has overflowed to wikipedia. It appears that negatedvoid and friends are enjoying recent attention they've been getting, and they have repeatedly removed years-old informative content and replaced it with their self-promoting trash, which mostly relies on low quality journalism (student newspaper as opposed to, say, Chicago Tribune) and blog posts. I urge you to roll the page back to pre-social media campaign state http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suburban_Express&oldid=542659074 and protect it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenightchicagodied (talk • contribs) 09:45, 6 May 2013 (UTC) If you believe that the content of the article doesn't reflect reliable sources, that the content is not a neutral representation of sources, or that the the sources themselves are not reliable, please take your concerns to dispute resolution if you can't resolve them on the talkpage. Since there's no edit war or violation of biography of living persons policies, this isn't a matter that administrators can (or are supposed to) resolve. You might also look at the reliable sources noticeboard, though it's always best to discuss this on the talkpage first, without making claims of "vandalism." Acroterion (talk) 11:39, 6 May 2013 (UTC) My Account My account was left logged on a public computer and someone I guess just decided to attempt to get me banned I apoligize for those pages being made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debdeb18 (talk • contribs) 22:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC) That's pretty much what I thought - it was obviously entirely different from your normal editing. Happy editing, and remember to log off! Acroterion (talk) 22:10, 6 May 2013 (UTC) My contribution vandalised by Acroterion. Acroterion! STOP vandalising my contribution! The website below is a professional website that provides weather forecasts for the entire Atlantic region. It applies under free speech laws. Vandalising my contribution is illegal and I will take it to court when necessary. Professional Forecast Systems