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Does this look bad?

The "Species" section in this article to which I have linked, had a long list of beetles so I thougght I'll rather add columns-list. But now I feel it looks congested. Is it fine? Excellenc1 (talk) 04:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't notice any difference, Excellenc1. Or anyway none related to congestion. (I'm using Firefox 93.0 right now.) But since you bring up the matter of looking congested, I have to say that your signature strikes me as unusually awkward, spilling as it does over other letters. Removing padding:5px; from it would be a big help. -- Hoary (talk) 05:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Hoary,

Padding	Signature
no padding	Excellenc1 (talk)
1px	Excellenc1 (talk)
2px	Excellenc1 (talk)
3px	Excellenc1 (talk)
4px	Excellenc1 (talk)
5px	Excellenc1 (talk)

No padding looks the worst. Excellenc1 (talk) 06:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Then we differ, Excellenc1. To me, using either Firefox 93.0 or Chromium 90.0.4430.212, no padding looks the best. The more padding, the more shouty. (Worse, the more padding, the more interference with other text.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Looking at this, from experience, the reason that you might think one looks better than another might be because of the background padding that already comes with the line height. One way to make it look better but not as bloated at the same time would be to add only padding on the left and right, since there is already a "padding" of sorts that comes with the line height. This could be achieved with padding:0px 2px 0px 2px (Excellenc1 (talk)). You could also use a border radius to make it look a little better (in my opinion) padding:0px 2px 0px 2px; border-radius: 4px (Excellenc1 (talk)) Just some suggestions for thought :) ― Levi_OP^Talk 14:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, why not put code like this in your personal CSS page User:Excellenc1/common.css

#bodyContent a[title="User:Excellenc1"] { background:#58111A; color:#FFA700; padding:5px; font-weight: bold; }

(See my CSS page User:Verbarson/common.css for an example.) This will highlight your signature whenever you are logged on. That way, you can leave your public signature unchanged from normal, because frankly, I don't need to see it highlighted, whereas you can make it as dramatic as you like for your own consumption. (I would credit whoever told me about this, but I didn't record their name.)--Verbarson (talk) 21:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Verbarson I'm sorry but I didn't understand what do you mean by "highlight" when you said "This will highlight your signature whenever you are logged on". Also, what about this signature (somewhat based on Levi_OP's suggestion: Excellenc1 (talk) But I fear this is too long in the source code. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Excellenc1 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, my CSS page User:Verbarson/common.css is only activated when I am logged on. When you, or anyone else, or nobody (ie anonymous user), is logged on, my signature looks like "Verbarson". When I am logged on, my CSS page is active and turns my signature into "Verbarson". This makes it easier for me to pick out my contributions in a discussion like this, or on a history page or watchlist. I don't care if my signature looks mundane to everyone else.

Of course, there are many people who do like their signature to stand out to other users, which is fine as long as it doesn't affect the way the rest of the page is displayed. Your choice.--Verbarson (talk) 09:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Useful side-effect: doing it with CSS means that it also highlights (when I am signed on) the places where somebody pings me or uses {{u|Verbarson}}. As far as your signature is concerned, I wouldn't worry about the code length too much (have you ever checked the Google front page source?); what affects the text around it is the top and bottom padding, which widens the current text line and (very slightly) disrupts the flow of the paragraph.--Verbarson (talk) 09:14, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Verbarson: I get it now, this way people can know if I'm offline or online. But it looks the same as my signature at no padding, or like Levi_OP suggested: padding: 0px 2px 0px 2px; border-radius: 4px;. From my end I don't see any overlaps or stuff, so I don't know if I should actually change anything. Excellenc1 (talk) 04:07, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1 I'm afraid I must have communicated badly, because I have still confused you. Using the CSS route to formatting your signature will ONLY affect YOUR computer when you are LOGGED IN to Wikipedia. It will NEVER affect anyone else. It's purely a convenience for you to see your name/signature highlighted when you are using Wikipedia. I'm afraid that Wikipedia does not monitor editors in real time so that it can light up their signatures on other editors' screens whenever they are online.--Verbarson (talk) 09:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Musician page

My name is Melissa Harley I’m writing regarding of well known musician artist “Lil Sporty D” Who has been mentioned in multiple news magazine and reliable source he Doesn’t have a Wikipedia page yet? I was wondering can someone please create him a WP article?  MsMelissaBaby (talk) 08:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

MsMelissaBaby, merely being mentioned isn't enough. Has Lil Sporty D been written up in depth in reliable, independent, published sources (plural)? If so, then you can create the article; if not, then nobody can. But before you attempt to create your first article, be sure to get plenty of practice improving and augmenting existing articles. -- Hoary (talk) 08:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I am not sure what I am doing but can someone please check my article and see I did it correctly It will be appreciate it here is the link. I don’t know how to put a picture up either I’m still Learning. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lil_Sporty_D Can someone please approve it — Preceding unsigned comment added by MsMelissaBaby (talk • contribs) 16:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@MsMelissaBaby: Welcome to the Teahouse! If the draft ever becomes an article, you can use the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard to upload a photo you took. However, you have many other issues to resolve first, as already noted on your draft. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Thank you very much I appreciate it I was wondering can you do my Oracle and you could take the credit for it I appreciate it I’ve been working on this for like four years and I really don’t know what I’m doing anyway — Preceding unsigned comment added by MsMelissaBaby (talk • contribs) 18:29, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@MsMelissaBaby: I don't know what "can you do my Oracle" means. I suggest you review Help:Introduction, Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure, and Help:Your first article before continuing your work on the draft. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 02:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I note that Draft:Lil Sporty D right now appears to be nothing more than a badly formatted copy-paste of wikitia(dot)com/wiki/Lil_Sporty_D, which is a blacklisted Wikipedia clone where editing is limited to only specialized editors who are experts in their fields – so, in practical terms, a thinly disguised advertisement / SEO site (as evident by the linked page appearing in a Google knowledge panel when one looks up the subject). As their copyright note states that everything's available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, I don't believe this to be a copyvio (although I see no attribution on the draft), but I feel it's still worth pointing out. AngryHarpy‍^talk 04:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

MsMelissaBaby, yesterday I advised you: before you attempt to create your first article, be sure to get plenty of practice improving and augmenting existing articles. I suggest that you don't ignore it; that you instead improve and augment existing articles. With that experience behind you, you might be able to create a viable article. -- Hoary (talk) 08:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The word "white"

Hello, everyone. I replaced the word "white" with "harmless" in an article, but it was reverted. Does English Wikipedia currently see no problem with using the word "white" to mean "trustworthy", "do no harm", etc.? Kj4bFan (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

I think in the article you edited "white" refers to skin colour, so it makes zero sense for you to replace with the word "harmless" unless you are intentionally being racist, in which case you will be blocked. Polyamorph (talk) 12:25, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

There is no way that edit is racist. And that's the problem with any idea of blocking racists. In this day and age, more and more people are being labeled as racists (and ruined for it) for being genuinely NOT racist; their "crime" is, they seek to treat everyone the same way. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I presume this was the diff. The sentence could/should be rephrased, but your way made no sense. Johnbod (talk) 12:27, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kj4bFan: If you haven't done so already, I suggest you follow the reference and read pages 448-451 of Reynolds' book, and then ensure that the Wikipedia article accurately summarizes what is stated in the book. If (like me) you don't have access to the book, then I suggest you don't change the wording. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all for your comments. I have read the chapter in question in the source before, using DeepL, but I didn't find it natural in the context that the word appeared in the sense of "of the white race," and I thought it was used to indicate that they had no dangerous objects. I have a lot to learn about the English language, so I'll avoid getting involved in this part of the article any further. My apologies, and thank you again.--Kj4bFan (talk) 13:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Kj4bFan—If you have the source to hand, what is the specific wording they use? It might be that the sentence should be re-written to be clearer; as it originally stood I understood as it caucasian and would not have read it as "harmless" (like in the sense of "a white lie"), but if you saw this as the interpretation it does leave open the possibility that our wording is not clear enough. If you have the original quote we can work out whether anything could be improved. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. It seems that another person has since changed the expression to a new one, so I have nothing more to say. But just in case, I will post the relevant chapter for your reference. Please note that the source is from the 2008 edition, while the one shown here is from the 2013 edition, like the one I have. https://books.google.com/books/about/Energy_Flash.html?hl=en&id=CXPZyYHLd-kC --Kj4bFan (talk) 12:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, the relevant chapter starts here. 20 TWO STEPS BEYOND --Kj4bFan (talk) 11:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia page not showing up

Why won't this website (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kevin-Bokoum/sandbox) show up? I'm trying to make a wikipedia page for a person of interest and would like it to show up on google results. 24.49.61.186 (talk) 00:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Userspace is intentionally NOINDEXed. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

How do I transfer it to a non-user page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinbokoum (talk • contribs) 00:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

You don't. Most of your sources are poor at best. https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/story/news/education/2020/07/23/student-standout-north-high-junior-is-new-boe-representative/115889622/ is the only useful source among the whole lot, with most of the rest being mere sound bites. Notability has not been met, and nor has WP:Biographies of living persons. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 00:35, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

What the above comment means is that if you submitted your Sandbox draft to Articles for Creation for review, it would be Rejected or Denied. If you bypass AfC to make it an article, the New Pages Patrol would kick it back to draft or deleted it.David notMD (talk) 02:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kevinbokoum: I've moved the draft article to draftspace for you. You can continue working on it there and then submit it for review once it's ready. ––FormalDude talk 02:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Now at Draft:Kevin Bokoum. I second the opinion that Mr. Bokoum's accomplishments do not rise to a level that meets Wikipedia's concept of notability. David notMD (talk) 09:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:BONAMY

Welcome to the Teahouse!

FYI

 – Added section header Eevee01^(talk) 06:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

how to correct my refence Jamshi jabeen (talk) 06:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:BONAMY Karenthewriter (talk) 07:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hey there @Jamshi jabeen, thanks for coming to the Teahouse! Here's some tea and biscuits for you.

It looks like your article was declined because there are not enough sources with significant coverage. Right now there are only two news media sources for the movie. The article requires more reliable sources talking about the movie in order to be considered notable for Wikipedia. Are there any additional sources you can provide? ––FormalDude talk 07:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Why recipe blog content can submit to wikipedia references successfully?

油條 Yóutiáo - Angel Wong's Kitchen

Why this kind of recipe blog content can be submit to wikipedia? I have seen many bloggers submit their blog content. Anyone can give me an introduction? Cherryblossomcici (talk) 07:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Cherryblossomcici, welcome to the Teahouse! It appears you're talking about this edit of yours to Zongzi.

Adding your own recipe from your blog to a Wikipedia article about it is considered original research and also promotional use of external links. Check out Wikipedia WP:BLOGS which states that blogs are almost always not permitted as sources. This is definitely one of those cases (the exception typically only applies for subject-matter experts).

Let us know if you have any additional questions! ––FormalDude talk 07:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

You say "I have seen many bloggers submit their blog content." It would be really helpful if you could provide examples.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

another example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantou

External links Chinese Steamed Bun 饅頭

http://yireservation.com/recipes/mantou-chinese-steamed-bun/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherryblossomcici (talk • contribs) 09:17, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

That doesn't appear to be a blog, and it does provide "neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject" so it appears to meet WP:EL.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Cherryblossomcici:, there may be misuses elsewhere in Wikipedia where people have included links to personal recipes in blogs, but that's just an on-going risk of an open, collaborative encyclopaedia. Such links will be ruthlessly weeded-out over time, when they are discovered! They are not examples to follow. The essential difference is this: if a reputable source such as a cookery magazine quotes someone's recipe as a "typical recipe for Traditional Martian Greencakes", then we have reasonable grounds to believe the recipe is what it says it is. We assume that good cookery magazines select their writers as experts, and exert some quality-control on what they put into print. If a blog says the same information, all we know is that someone's grandmother told them that that's what she always did when she was a girl, and for all we know, grandma might be the only person in the world who does it that way, and grandson/daughter might have mistaken the instructions! So unfortunately, even if you're a great cook, and really well-informed, you can only include a link to your recipe if a reputable organisation/person has vetted it and published it independently (and even then, you've got a conflict of interest and should get the link included by declaring the situation on the article's talk-page and accepting other editor's evaluation of whether your recipe is the right one to use as an example). I hope this helps! Elemimele (talk) 11:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Need Help with referencing my article 'Tupocracy'

Hello house My new article has been constantly rejected due to issues bordering on referencing and and notability. The word 'Tupocracy' is gaining traction gradually in the political space and then i feel there is need to have it also on Wikipedia.

I wouldn't mind having an experience editor work with me on this project.

Thank you

Niftyrules™ 08:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC) Niftyrules™ 08:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niftyrules (talk • contribs)

@Niftyrules: Welcome to the Teahouse. The article was rejected, meaning it is not suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia at this time. The word Tupocracy is clearly not notable. It may become notable at some point in the distant future, but until then, it will not be included on Wikipedia. Please do not continue to try to add it to Wikipedia.––FormalDude talk 08:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Paid Editor

I am thinking that a user is a paid editor see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Radha_shyam as his contribiutons he create and edit only one page Weidner Memorial Senior Secondary School so it means he is a paid editor what you all think if he is not a paid editor so he edit other pages but he was paid so he only edit Weidner Memorial Senior Secondary School UserABCXYZ (talk) 08:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

UserABCXYZ Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The edits you refer to were made in 2010. If that user resumes editing, any paid editing can be addressed at that time. 331dot (talk) 08:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@UserABCXYZ We often find that it's usually school pupils (and occasionally staff) who write about schools. But as 331dot says, those edits were made 11 years ago, so we only need to worry about editors active today. But if you feel there are statements in that (or any other article) that are not supported by citations, feel free to remove them, leaving an edit summary to explain your reasoning for their removal. Many thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you please guide me to review my first article submission

Good day,

On my submitted article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mikhail_Mouty

I received the following reason for rejection on Oct 19th : "Subject does not appear to pass WP:GNG or WP:NPROF. The inline citations do not confirm the sentences they are linked to"

Can you please guide me in improving my article to be accepted.

Great thanks MEF2362 (talk) 09:14, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, MEF2362, and welcome to the Tehouse. In the opinion of that reviewer, Mouty (not just your draft about him) does not currently meet the requirements to be the subject of an article in Wikipedia: see WP:NOAMOUNT. Unless you can find at least three sources that are reliably published and unconnected with Mouty and have significant coverage of him, then any further effort you put into that draft will be wasting your time. --ColinFine (talk) 09:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @MEF2362 In my opinion, I think Mouty would (probably) meet our WP:NBIO/WP:NPROF criteria, but the key thing is for your citations to allow anyone to verify every statement you have made. So each citation must allow someone to check that what you wrote is correctly stated in the citation, and not based either on your own conclusions or knowledge of him (we call that original research)

I note that Mouty died only very recently, and it may be that a good, independent obituary about him will become available in time, or that you have missed one in local or regional newspapers. My commiserations to you, as I suspect you knew him personally, by the excellent photo you took of him last year. If you did know him, I would invite you to please follow our guidelines at WP:COI by simply making clear any knowledge or connection you have with him? There is nothing wrong in this, but we simply like to have clarity about who is writing about people, and their motivations.

So, don't give up, but take your time to go through everything, line by line and pretend to be an independent observer, challenging every statement and asking yourself "how can I prove that?" I have made a few small tweaks to your draft which I hope you find helpful. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Might be worth contacting a relevant university department in Syria, or the publishers of one of his more recent papers, to ask if they know of obituaries in any specialist journals, and/or of any plans to publish a posthumous Festschrift (which could take several months to a few years to come to fruition). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.128.151 (talk) 21:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Flags for countries

Hello, where can I found Wikipedia images of flags for countries? That would help me for a draft article I'm working on. Thanks! GTNO6 (talk) 10:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi GTNO6. Please see Wikipedia:FLAG.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft declined

Hi, i recently created an article for torque sealants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Torque_sealant). My first draft was declined with the comment: "Fails WP: GNG, requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources". This was understandable as there were only two citations for the whole article. Since then I have been researching for more sources and added 7 further references. However, when resubmitting my draft it was declined again and i got following answer: "If this draft is resubmitted without any improvement or with very little improvement again, it will almost certainly be rejected, and it may be nominated for deletion, or a partial block may be requested against further submission by the responsible editor.".

Since I made changes to the article before resubmitting it I am now a bit confused and don't know what else is expected from me. I am new to Wikipedia and maybe I made a mistake I am not aware of? I would greatly appreciate some help. MoritzStorch (talk) 11:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Citations

Can someone format all the citations/ref on the article Sora (Kingdom Hearts)? There are tons of cited sources without the name of the website and they aren't even formatted correctly. Thanks. 180.44.113.234 (talk) 11:55, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. The place to request that is on the article's talk page. It's unlikely anyone here would be interested in doing that, whereas the article itself has over 100 watchers. Thanks for raising your concerns, though. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Recreating a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion

Hi there. I'm here to ask that I want to recreate a page which was deleted per deletion discussion. The page was nominated because it didn't meet with general notability guideline. But I've found some sources which meets with general notability guideline. So I hope that if I recreate this page, it will meet with GNG. Thanks.  ||  Orbit Wharf 11:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Orbit Wharf, please see Wikipedia:Deletion review. -- Hoary (talk) 12:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Is Tania Aidrus Notable Topic

Hello community! Iam a content writer from pakistan and wants to write on Tania Aidrus, She was a leader in the Global Business Organization at Google in the US and in Singapore as well, where she was the Country Manager for South Asia Frontier Markets at Google. Prior to her appointment as a Google executive, Tania co-founded a mobile health diagnosis company called ClickDiagnostics which connected rural patients in emerging markets to doctors around the world. She resigned her job just to serve her motherland (Pakistan) and She became minister of technology, Wikipedia lacks information about her and I wanted to share whole story of Tania Aidrus with the globe how her patriotism bring her in the underdeveloping country and her determiniation to which she was resigned for. Mrsginamann (talk) 12:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The requirements for notability for people are at Wikipedia:Notability (people). --David Biddulph (talk) 12:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Wiki adventure gets stuck on edit summary

My wiki adventure keeps being unable to progress past 'summarize your edit', even though I complete the summary. Is there a work-around to this? I'd like to make sure I do all of the onboarding lessons. Snapdginger (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@Snapdginger: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia talk:The Wikipedia Adventure instructs to contact Ocaasi for bug reports. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Next step with mildly disruptive IP editor

I'm watching a page where an IP editor keeps making unsourced changes, e.g. [1]. The changes are not obvious vandalism, but they also seem very unlikely to be good faith attempts to improve wikipedia. I reverted them a couple of times, and in one edit they even reverted themselves citing my previous edit summary, so they seem to understand. But then they keep doing it. At this point I'm not sure what I should do next. Any advice? Thanks. Danstronger (talk) 13:29, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Oops, that wasn't them reverting themselves, that was another IP editor. Danstronger (talk) 20:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

There is a LOT of IP editing, much of it reverted, going on at Casualties of the September 11 attacks. Perhaps some protection warranted? David notMD (talk) 16:34, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try suggesting it for semi-protection Danstronger (talk) 20:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

New to all of this

New to all this stuff please help

Hello there, I'm a casual reader of wikipedia but i just found all this editing tools and i'm very confused. I just discovered this about 15 minutes ago so im still pretty confused with all this, i've only used wikipedia before to read some articles. What should i know about all this editing tools and communities and whatnot? I know the teahouse is for editing pages but it said its friendly to newcomers plus i dont know where else to put this. If someone could help me i have a couple questions i would like to be answered

1. What should i know about all these editing tools 2. What is the editing community here in wikipedia? I saw a page on a christianity in china work group but i'm still pretty confused 3. Whats the difference between the wikipedia website and app? Does the app have all these editing features

Thanks in advance :) Overbubble (talk) 13:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@Overbubble: Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! The learning curve here can be a little steep, but you'll probably find the information at this introduction as good a place as any to start

The Wikipedia app is pretty good (and is getting better!), but its more geared to reading articles than editing, at least in my opinion. ~TheresNoTime ^{(to explain!)} 13:53, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Overbubble—Welcome and hello! Editing wikipedia can be daunting at first but like any toolbox, tools are there because they might be useful in some cases and don't always need to be used regularly. Most editing can be done very simply with plain text and if you're new to editing it's always good to start small and slow; if you see a mistake like a typo, jump right in and edit it if you like. When you're more familiar with basic editing, the other tools will fall into place more easily. As to your second question, things like work groups and wikiprojects exist as focal points for editing related articles; if you're interested in a specific field there is usually a group for it with listings of relevant articles and sometimes helpful resources and discussions too. You can usually find these listed on the talk page of articles, so if you're reading something interesting, look at its talk page to see any related projects. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 13:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@Overbubble: There are multiple Wikipedia apps - see List of Wikipedia mobile applications for more information. GoingBatty (talk) 15:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

New Article

I have created an article Draft:Kawardha Voilence but it is about a very sensitive case so I am fearing about to publish it so I want help to contribute that article because that is very very sensitive and national case it is about and I don't know but if I have write some attacking words so please review it UserABCXYZ (talk) 14:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

UserABCXYZ Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for review. 331dot (talk) 14:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks friend but there is a problem It is one of the most sensitive case in India so it is right to publish this page UserABCXYZ (talk) 14:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

We have many articles on similar topics. See Category:Religiously motivated violence in India. Vexations (talk) 15:00, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Per WP:DISC, it is not wrong because of the topic. Consider WP:EVENTCRIT though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Help with reliable sources

Page in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Herd_Social was declined due to lack in reliable sources. This is my first time writing a wikipedia page, and was wondering if anyone could help. I'm confused on which sources are not credible, or are the not enough credible sources? Just kinda confused over all.

Thank you in advance! Alihoward82 (talk) 15:21, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@Alihoward82: Welcome to the Teahouse! Everything in your draft should be referenced. For example, what is your source for "Herd emerged from the frustrations of consumers..." and "This early traction led to a waitlist of over 10,000 users pre-launch." and "The App rose to number #15 on the social networking chart..."? Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:31, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Alihoward82, and welcome to the Teahouse. "Credible" is not a criterion we have for sources: the two main ones are "reliable", which means that it was published by somebody with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking; and "independent" of the subject, so not published by the subject or based on an interview or press release from them. (Non-independent sources are accepted for certain kinds of information, but do not contribute to establishing notability. You might find WP:CSMN helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Alihoward82, your draft has content copied from this site, in violation of copyright.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

INAZUMA ELEVEN ARES

Why don't they publish something about the INAZUMA ELEVEN ARES animation program, I mean this is a great animation so why wouldn't anyone post something about them that includes: photos of characters, their background and episodes and siries or chapters. {plz sm1 post something} 41.115.61.132 (talk) 15:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

You mean like this? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to the reply given above, it might be considered fancruft to include this information that may be deemed unencyclopedic. There'd be more leeway for addition on another wiki, such as those hosted by FANDOM. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

adding to the further reading section

a question about edits

Hello! I am new here - I was trying to add a book to further reading - powers of two by Joshua Wolf Shenk - it focuses on creative partnerships and tells the story of many historical figures including Emily Dickinson. When I added it to her wikipedia page, I was told I was editing disruptively - not my intention and many apologies! What are the rules on this? How can I get a book, which is very relevant, well revered and I think would be useful - to be listed? What is the process? Many thanks for your help!!

Emma EmmaFDennis (talk) 16:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @EmmaFDennis: Welcome to Wikipedia. Sorry for your frustration. It might help to read this page to learn more about what should and should not be included in that section. For example, it says:

Preference is normally given to works that cover the whole subject of the article rather than a specific aspect of the subject, and to works whose contents are entirely about the subject of the article, rather than only partly.

Hope that helps. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:37, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@EmmaFDennis: Welcome to the Teahouse. The reason is most likely because you are spamming the same book across different articles, which gives the impression you are promoting or advertising said book. You might also want to read Wikipedia:FURTHERREADING, particularly the section §Topical. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:39, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

This is really helpful both, thank you so much!! EmmaFDennis (talk) 16:52, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

How to make an alphabetic table of contents?

Hi! I was trying to create an alphabetic table of contents at List of awards and nominations received by NCT, but it doesn't work and I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. How do I fix it? Thanks in advance! Poirot09 (talk) 16:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Poirot09—What you would need to include is an anchor for the TOC to point to. Normally a table of contents will point to a heading and just matches the text of that heading, but as there is no entry titled "A" or "B", you need to force the table to have one. If you use the template {{anchor}} you can do this; if you add {{anchor|J}} to the row heading beginning with J then it will create a hidden anchor that the TOC will let you jump to. Do this for any and all letters you need, but only once per letter (two identical anchors will mean the second one doesn't work). 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 17:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the help! Poirot09 (talk) 17:20, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Pls can u keep my edit temporary stayed

Pls can u keep my edit temporary stayed JahXVro999SkiMask (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

User blocked (not by me). Deor (talk) 17:49, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The unblock appeal process is described on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 22:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Colonel Powell

I'm really puzzled by the thinking behind Colonel Powell. This is a redirect to Colin Powell (so that's what you see if you hover over the link), but there is also a disambiguation page for the various Colonel Powells, which you can only get to by first going to Colin Powell and then noticing the bit at the top of the article that points to the disambiguation. It seems to me that if a reader types "Colonel Powell" in the search box in Wikipedia, we should consider the possibility that they are intelligent humans capable of typing, who chose to type "Colonel" because they want to read about a Colonel; and that had they wanted to read about Colin, they would have typed "Colin". I suppose there's an added complication that Colin Powell, having been a four-star general, was presumably a colonel at some point in his career?? But he's notable for being Colin Powell, not for being Colonel Powell. My feeling is that the redirect shouldn't exist. Colonel Powell should go to the disambiguation page, which can happily contain a link to Colin Powell to help those who have made a mistake and misheard Colin's name as a rank. But I'm loath to mess around with such a high-profile redirect, and in any case I don't know technically how to deal with bad redirects. Any advice appreciated! Elemimele (talk) 17:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

It was made in 2009 by an editor who haven't edited since 2016, so we probably won't get any answer from there. I know of no reason why you shouldn't WP:PROD it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:54, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I can understand the rationale behind the redirects as these are ranks he has held, just like someone might search General MacArthur or General DeGaulle, but if you feel the primary topic should be the disambig page, I would suggest opening a discussion on Colin Powell's talk page. The good news is that the article is likely to be getting extra hits at this time so there should be plenty of eyes on the discussion to chime in. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 17:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, General Powell, Major Powell, Colonel North... Perhaps there is a guideline somewhere, but Colonel Powell makes less sense to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:10, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

thank you both; I had only just noticed the sad news of his death. I will raise it initially on the talk page of the Colin Powell article, and then consider the PROD if people agree. Elemimele (talk) 18:12, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

My understanding of disambiguation is that Colonel Powell should point to Colonel Powell (disambiguation), but no article should ever point to either except in a hatnote or see also. Perhaps ask the folks at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links Vexations (talk) 18:47, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Gråbergs Gråa Sång:, @Grapple X:, @Vexations:, this place moves fast! Someone has agreed and done the deed in less than the time it took me to work out how to edit a redirect. Problem solved! Elemimele (talk) 20:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Requesting for block

Hi. I'm here to ask that can I request for block for any user? I've found a user who is using Wikipedia using a promotional username. And the user should be blocked. Thanks.  ||  Orbit Wharf 19:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

You can report that at WP:UAA, Orbit Wharf. Make sure you read the notes at the top. --ColinFine (talk) 19:32, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thank you so much! Another help! Can I use Twinkle for making a report? Thanks. ||  Orbit Wharf 19:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@Orbit Wharf Yes, you can certainly use Twinkle to make a UAA report. Assuming you've already activated it in your Preferences, look for the 'TW' tab in desktop view (towards the top right of the page, next to the search box). The first option in the dropdown that appears is 'ARV'. Click that one and select the second option 'Username', then tick the relevant reason for your concern. If you need to add links to pages, diffs, external sites, just write in the comments box. Hope this makes sense. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Charles Williams

Appreciate comments received from various parties. Believe this article is ready. Looking for verification.

Thank you

Flagship1Flagship1 (talk) 20:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC) Flagship1 (talk) 20:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Charles_Williams Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 20:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Some improvements have been made. More sourcing is required to demonstrate notability per WP:BIO. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:58, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I added a SUBMIT button, but agree more content needed. Other Asst Sec to Navy appear to have articles, but not a guarantee that CW will be approved. David notMD (talk) 22:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I am having a bug with the wikipedia adventure

I keep getting a prompt to open the source editor when I already have it open, then I can not continue. Cjs1 21:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@Cjs1: I think you'd be better off starting a thread at the Adventure talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:19, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

sorry Cjs1 23:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Inappropriate use of TW/warning

I chanced upon this situation where a registered user was wrongly criticised for a simple infobox expansion, where there is clearly prose to support with ref (at a mid-point) in the opening section. One viable ref (BBC) is extant since 2007.

I messaged the TW user at User talk:Loriendrew#Your revert at Jane Tomlinson - without any recommendation or request - but s/he has not edited since. Users of third-party utilities are responsible for their correct usage, and as I cannot find anything specific allowing me (under these particular circumstances) to remove Talk content, would an admin remove, in fairness to the initial editor? Thank you. Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Could you be more specific as to what you are asking to be removed? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 23:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't believe admin intervention is required, you are free to leave a message on the talkpage stating you believe the warning to be an error and that the addition to the infobox was ok. AS for your message about it being a lvl 2 warning being unacceptable, it is not un heard of with a user with history such as this one to no longer warrant level 1 warnings which are generally where we are still assuming good faith. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 00:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

ThanQ Pyrrho the Skeptic, Mcmatter - I've been on WP for eight years and I know there are two admins I could name at the teahouse, rather than approaching any one individual elsewhere, I thought it might be useful for Teahouse volunteers to be able to consider. I meant that the whole section (User talk:Okay,okayhshshs#October 2021) should be removed by an admin as it was wrongly applied. I couldn't find anything (ferinstance at Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines) alluding to rectification of incorrect usage of speed-dialled warnings. AFAIK only admin can do that? Other than the initiater who could self-revert.

Regarding my use of "inappropriate", I didn't mean that uw-bio2 was inappropriate instead of level 1, rather the whole presumption that it was unsourced and as such needed to be knee-jerked reverted was inappropriate, being a too-shallow observation by the TW user. I can recognise that Okay,okayhshshs doesn't leave edit summaries and has a history of previous criticisms - already checked that some days ago. But that doesn't excuse the quick-fire trigger on the pop-up utility (I am also aware of the recent development RedWarn) and we should strive to correct wrongs, IMO. I often write individually-composed messages (like this one to the same user in March 2021), rather than the standard, templated messages which can be perceived as harsh.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Make userboxes

FYI

 – Heading added by Tenryuu.

I'm new to Wikipedia.

How do you make userboxes to customize your profile? I have no experience editing this site but have read many political articles and cannot wait to contribute when I have the time.

Thank you, Anonymous user — Preceding unsigned comment added by PoliticallyPassionateGamer (talk • contribs) 00:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@PoliticallyPassionateGamer: Welcome to the Teahouse. You are probably looking for Wikipedia:Userboxes, which has info about making your own, as well as asking others to make one and a list of current userboxes further down the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:26, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Old Oak Tree

What is the common name of Old Oak Tree? I don't know if the current title is correct. Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: This source calls it the "Old Oak Tree", this source and this source call it the "Basking Ridge White Oak Tree". I'm not an admin, I know this doesn't solve your query, just whatever I found on it. Excellenc1 (talk) 03:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

You created the article in February 2021. Why are you now concerned about the name? David notMD (talk) 12:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Because I am unsure it is correct. I used to live in the town of that tree and that was what we called the tree - the "Old Oak Tree". I never verified sources for the name - I just thought that this was naturally what the name of the article should be. I need a second opinion/someone to help find what the common name is. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

How to cite the plot?

When creating an article on a movie (this one), how to cite the entire plot, or is it ok if I don't cite the plot? Excellenc1 (talk) 03:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Generally, it's fine if you don't have a citation for the plot (as MOS:PLOTSOURCE describes). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Translation's title

Suppose I want to create a translation of fr:Association de défense des actionnaires minoritaires. How do I know if the translation already exists? How do I know if the existing translation's title is in its original language (French in this case) or in English? (Just an example, I have already created its translation). Excellenc1 (talk) 03:42, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: If a translation exists, hopefully they would be linked together in Wikidata, so when visiting an article such as fr:Association de défense des actionnaires minoritaires you would see the "1 langue" dropdown to find the English equivalent. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: For example, this article on pollicitation in French civil law (currently working on its translation here). How do I know an article on "pollicitation" exists and this article was a section in it? Or an article on "French civil law" where this exists? (Just an example, there are many other articles like this, for example this one.) Excellenc1 (talk) 06:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: You can determine if an article on "pollicitation" exists by using the search bar to search for "pollicitation" and going to fr:Pollicitation. You know that fr:Association de défense des actionnaires minoritaires is an article (which has sections) just by looking at the title, and therefore you know it's not a section of some other article. I don't understand your last question (and maybe don't understand your first question). GoingBatty (talk) 01:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Why Is My Article Rejected?

• Why My Was Rejected? TechPandeyYT (talk) 03:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I quote: "TSG PANDEY GAMERS (VIVEK PANDEY) is an Indian famous YouTuber and Gamer. He has a channel name 'TSG PANDEY GAMERS' , where he uploaded the videos of Garena Free Fire (The most downloaded game in 2020, in the world). His best friends are LALIT RAJ and SHIVSHANKER ." (And more of the same.) Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia, TechPandeyYT, before attempting to add to it. -- Hoary (talk) 04:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Actually, deleted, twice, reasons given, and you as the creating editor indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 12:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

CAS number for chemical compound COSTUNOLIDE

The CAS # in the ChemBox of the article for costunolide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costunolide) matches that given by Common Chemistry for this compound. However, the article shows a red "X" by the CAS #, indicating that it is unverified. What should be done to change the red "X" to a green "√" to indicate the CAS # is correct/verified? Chemtalker777 (talk) 04:03, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

It's possible that CheMoBot (the bot that does that) could be malfunctioning. It looks like it has in the past. I would leave a message on the Talk Page of the bot and ping the operator. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 15:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Chemtalker777: I don't think that the bot which Pyrrho the Skeptic mentioned has run since 2018 and when I find that CAS numbers (or other info in the Chembox) can be verified, I do it by a conventional edit. I've done that at Costunolide, so you can see how that looks now. Thanks for wanting to help update these links. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How to edit right the draft: draft:Ronnie_Makabai

I have tried to edit the draft Draft:Ronnie Makabai in the right way but all ways have failed. Can i please getr some help and how can i make this right. NB: Am not attached to the subject or know him, i just wrote things i know about him and to me he is notable. I just contributed as an editor and i wish to learn more. please help out. Biggerbenson (talk) 04:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Biggerbenson: I have edited the introductory paragraph of your draft. You may check that and do the edits for the rest of the draft as well. The problem was the draft seemed to promote the person. (I'm not an admin) Excellenc1 (talk) 04:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Biggerbenson: I'm concerned about your statement "i just wrote things i know about him". Instead, I hope you are gathering your reliable sources and then summarizing/paraphrasing what they say. If you know something that you cannot source, leave it out of your draft. Also, please remove the external links from the lead (you may want to convert them to references). Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:44, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Is it ok if I answer queries even if I'm not a teahouse host?

I promise I won't mislead anyone. I'll help only if I can. Excellenc1 (talk) 04:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I hope so, as I'm not an official host either! ClaudineChionh (talk) 05:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

It is absolutely ok to do that. Answering questions is how you become a host! (Spontaneous generation of Teahouse hosts was a popular theory, but it was proved wrong 150 years ago; it is now known that existing editors are transformed into hosts by exposure to large amounts of tea.)

However, please only answer questions if (1) you are familiar enough with the relevant guidelines etc. and (2) you are welcoming of new users even if they ask "stupid" questions are themselves not likeable characters (POV-pushers, paid editors etc.). (Advice for the first point: do not answer copyright questions until you have seen many of those answered. I got, like, twenty of these wrong before I became halfway decent at it.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I have practiced all skills, but why can't i create a page still!

 Jan12shamil (talk) 05:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Shamil, on your user page you say that you have or had multiple accounts, so you should first check to see whether you have a legitimate reason for having multiple accounts. You can read about the different levels of access that users have – you need to be at least confirmed or autoconfirmed to create new articles.

I would also advise you to read the guidelines on writing better articles citing sources.

Is there a specific article that you are trying to create? ClaudineChionh (talk) 06:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Jan12shamil: Welcome to the Teahouse! Help:Your first article is a wonderful resource for editors who want to create new articles. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Paperpen2824's article has been declined

Hello , My article has been declined , would appreciate if someone can help me on that and review it once. Paperpen2824 (talk) 06:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Paperpen2824, the last time Draft:Abhishek A Rastogi was declined, a few days ago, the comment was This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. This is just as true now. Do these sources exist? If they do not, no article can be created. -- Hoary (talk) 07:11, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Paperpen2824: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your article was declined because is it lacks reliable, significant, independent sources, and the subject is therefore not considered notable. There's tons of content in the article, yet only two references, which leaves major verifiability issues. Unless you can provide reliable independent sources that show significant coverage of the subject, the article is likely to be entirely rejected for inclusion on Wikipedia. ––FormalDude talk 07:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee

What voting system is used to elect the arbitration committee? (e.g. first-past-the-post, etc.) Timis189 (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Timis189, see Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2020#Results, I assume it hasn't changed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

My IP has been blocked even though I don't do anything

 183.171.25.164 (talk) 09:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Since you posted here, your IP is not blocked. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. 331dot is correct - your IP address has never been actively blocked by us. However, if you tried to edit via a browser such as Opera, which can default to using a VPN (and thus hide your real IP address), you will see a scary red message saying that the VPN's own IP address (and not yours) has been blocked. That got me the first time it happened. But, as you've managed to post this, you've obviously no longer got any issues to worry about. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Osmia_Music

Hi. Hope all is well. I'm writing an article for my journalism license, about Osmia Music , a known music producer from Romania. I want to know if I need to do anything else to improve the article or its enough ? I worked very hard on this project in the last days and I want to give the best for it to get it published, will help me a lot. Besides what I know about him and his music, I've made a very deep research also in his early life and music career to put all together with all references almost for every sentences. So please be kind and let me know your feedback. With love, Joan (Fjoan (talk) 11:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)) Fjoan (talk) 11:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Fjoan, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can see you have put a lot of effort on that draft, but looking quickly through the reference list, I can see that many of them are not acceptable. It may be that if you remove those, there will be enough left to ground the article: I haven't checked. You might find WP:CSMN useful. --ColinFine (talk) 11:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much Colin. Really appreciate your feedback. If you can help me a little bit, just to show me the numbers from references that you consider are not ok ? I read about WP:CSMN and I know that I attached in references some links like youtube for example or soundcloud or itunes from his achievements along with press releases, but in the same time I saw that almost all from artists to producers or film makers had links from personal streaming platform... sooo, I'm a little bit confused. Hehe. Thank yoooou ! means a lot Fjoan (talk) 11:27, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Fjoan, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Just looking at the citations, without following them to read the sources, I would expect that nos 1-2, 8-12, 14-17, 21-22 are all unacceptable (I didn't go any further). I may be wrong about some of them, but I can say unequivocally that we don't use sites like iTunes for sources, and that a Google search is never acceptable (though items found by the search might be, if they are reliably published. YouTube is not intrinsically unacceptable, but not much published there is regarded as reliable, and if it is the subject's own work that is being cited, the thing to realise is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject says or creates, but only in what reliable commentators have said about the subject and their creations. --ColinFine (talk) 11:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Ohh, yes. Thank you so much ColinFine, I understand now almost the full picture and I will document myself more on what you sent to me right now and get back to update the article asap. Appreciate your patience and responses, because this material means a lot for my journalist license and I want to do the best for it. You are the best ! Fjoan (talk) 12:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Djoan. I'm not sure what your journalism licence involves, but you're probably already seeing that writing for Wikipedia is very different from journalism in some respects! Good luck. --ColinFine (talk) 13:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

It is ColinFine, because requires us to be neutral regards writing about somebody, so I found Wikipedia perfect for this, even if is a little bit complicated for me with codes, policies and stuff... Thank you again ! really appreciate Fjoan (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Redirection and album cover issues

Hi, I'm currently editing Ongaku Zukan, a 1984 Japanese album by composer Ryuichi Sakamoto, and this will be my first submission to Wikipedia. Need to ask some questions:

- I would like to redirect Illustrated Musical Encyclopedia to this page's "International Release" section. How do I do that?
- I have the album cover that is from iTunes, and I'm OK for the non-free image resizer to resize the image. Do I have to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, state the source, put the album cover on the draft page and then declare the cover source? If so, how to declare the copyright stuffs?
  - For example, last time I edited Giant Steps (composition) on Wikipedia, then I put the album cover from the Wikimedia library, and then the cover is removed by the bot stating I used non-free image and has to be removed. How do I fix this?

Thanks. Weareblahs (talk) 12:29, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Weareblahs: Welcome to the Teahouse.

I would like to redirect Illustrated Musical Encyclopedia to this page's "International Release" section. How do I do that?
You can do it by using a wikilink to the section name that is preceded by a #. In your case, it'd be [[#International Release]]. I did not read; Gråbergs Gråa Sång has the right idea.
I have the album cover that is from iTunes, and I'm OK for the non-free image resizer to resize the image. Do I have to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, state the source, put the album cover on the draft page and then declare the cover source? If so, how to declare the copyright stuffs?
Since the image is non-free, you cannot upload it to Commons; it would have to be uploaded locally to the English Wikipedia. There's more info about how to satisfy the fair use criteria at WP:NFC. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Weareblahs, Hello!

• Wait until your article has been approved, then see WP:MAKEREDIR and redirect to Draft:Ongaku_Zukan#International_Release (-Draft:).
• No, again, after your article has been approved upload it to Wikipedia, see "Upload a non-free file" at WP:FUW.
• You don't. Non-free is a harsh mistress, and the album-cover pic is only allowed on the article about the album. Annoying, yes. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Weareblahs: Welcome to the Teahouse! Your questions are all minor issues that you can address after your article is approved. Your primary goal should be to demonstrate how this album meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, listed at WP:NALBUMS. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia, can't figure out anything at all.

Hi-hi-hello! I have two questions. Is there a way to upload images? How so? Anywho, see ya soon! Best regards, Thirstys (talk) 13:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Thirstys: Hi there, welcome to Wikipedia! The learning curve is a little steep, so I've left you a message on your talk page with some helpful links. I recommend reading our tutorial As for uploading images, the file upload wizard is fairly easy to follow. Please don't upload anything that's copyrighted though! ~TheresNoTime ^{(to explain!)} 13:32, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

For information on uploading images, see Wikipedia:Uploading images. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:33, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thirstys. I think the guidance at Wikipedia:Uploading images, including the PDF brochure, is useful here. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:34, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Thirstys, hello! Yes, BUT (and this is a big but). Basically no random images you find online can be uploaded. You can upload images you've taken yourself with your own camera though, see WP:FUW. That's the general answer. Do you have a more specific question? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Thirstys Welcome to the Teahouse. Adding images can be a complex area for a new user to start with. Firstly, is the image your copyright? If not, has it been released by its owner under a licence we can re-use? We can't just use any old photo we find on a website - it must be released for commercial re-use on a proper licence. Once you've established that an image can be legally uploaded and released for others to use, you don't add it directly into a Wikipedia article, but upload it into Wikimedia Commons, from where it can be embedded into a Wikipedia article, irrespective of what language it is written in. So - not an easy first question to answer. But you can find a range of useful links to different aspects of dealing with images at Wikipedia:Images. I hope this helps. Come back with specific questions if they don't make sense to you. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Note also that there's a big collection of WP-ok pics at Commons. If you're lucky, perhaps what you want can be found there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How to get an Article graded

Hi there, I was wondering how to submit an article to get graded/get it a higher grade, because I recently have been working on the article Fagin and added a lot of citations which could probably get its grade up to C class at least. Kaleeb18 (talk) 14:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18, Hello! Up to "B" these gradings are informal and you can WP:BOLDly set them yourself by changing the template at Talk:Fagin. See the "quality scale" links there for guidance. You can also ask a at place like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fictional characters. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I made a few changes and upgraded the article to C-class. David notMD (talk) 14:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @David notMD:. I know the gradings are informal, but since I am a newer Wikipedia editor I don’t want to be the one to change the article’s grading. I’m still looking for a page that I can submit an article to be reviewed. Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Anything up to B-class doesn't have a formal review process so there isn't really a central page for that, but you can always ask at a related wikiproject for a second opinion to have someone check the grading. The first stage of formal reviewing for article quality begins at WP:GAN, where articles are assessed for "Good" article criteria. If you want to look over the criteria for those and use that as a checklist when working on articles, you might have some joy submitting articles through that process after some work. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:34, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thank you @Grapple X:. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaleeb18 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Content assessment for a rough idea of what is needed. In the past, I've upgraded, but also downgraded articles. Before nominating a C-class or B-class article for "Good Article" I typically check every sentence and every reference, often deleting and adding lots of content, over weeks. For example, I did weeks of editing to Biotin before nominating, then scores more edits once the review started. David notMD (talk) 20:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Contesting 'non reliable source'

Hi there, I would very much appreciate any help from an editor, to help me get my article approved. An editor called Tol has said that the article is not mention worthy and that the sources are not reliable. I dont understand how newspapers and very mention worthy people are not deemed reliable sources, particularly when they already have pages on wikipedia. I think it may be the way I have drafted the article, I find wikipedia very difficult, particularly the layout, it must be just me, but its difficult to follow. I would so appreciate any help. Thank you. Emma Russell21 (talk) 15:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Emma Russell21—It's a difficult distinction until you get more accustomed to it but what is considered notable (things that have a wikipedia page) and what is considered reliable (a source we can depend upon for information) are not always the same. Amazon for example is notable, but as it is mainly filled with unvetted customer reviews, we do not use it as a reliable source; on the other side of things, a research paper published by a respected journal may have a non-notable author, but be considered reliable for its information. Looking at your draft, we have things like Amazon and YouTube being used as sources, which are considered unreliable—but if you have for example a newspaper article or a reliable website which discusses this same information, you could use that instead. If you ever have any doubt about whether a source is reliable or not, you can ask at WP:RSN for some additional opinions. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:31, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Emma Russell21: in the draft, I'm seeing references that don't give enough information for other editors and readers to identify the source properly. For instance, there's a link to the homepage of The National Herald, but not to the specific article in the publication that mentions Phlox. You can write reference information between <ref></ref> tags, so an example reference with enough information for another person to properly understand it might look like this:

<ref>[example.com/review-of-fuschia-phlox Review of Fuschia Phlox], Jane Doe, ''The Example Newspaper'', 1 January 2020</ref>

References don't have to be online, so if you were citing a print newspaper article then you'd still include the headline, byline, newspaper and publish date, but there'd be no URL. More complicated ways of formatting references exist, but are by no means mandatory. — Bilorv (talk) 17:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Score next to draft article?

Hi everyone,

What does the score next to a draft article mean?

I drafted an article that was declined. I edited it to include more reliable and notable sources. I'd love to know what I can do to boost its prospects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navnine9 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for answering! Navnine9 (talk) 15:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Navnine9, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know what you mean by "the score next to a draft article". If you mean the number next to an edit in your user contributions, it's not a score: it's simply the number of bytes of information that edit added or removed. Looking at your draft I see a lot of sources which don't appear to be independent of Choksi. Independence of a source is just as important as reliability for establising notability: see WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Anup Ranjan Pandey

I want to discuss about this article Draft:Anup Ranjan Pandey I want to say that this person is notable because he got national and forth highest award in India and biggest newspapers and news channel of India writed article about it and see this page List of Padma Shri award recipients (2020–2029) all persons who got that award have wikipedia page because only by that award he is notable so why this person is not notable UserABCXYZ (talk) 15:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

The draft appears to still be in review. I would wait until you hear a response from the reviewer. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@UserABCXYZ: if you leave your comment ("this person is notable because ...") at the talk page of the draft then the reviewer should see it and take it into account. Either way, hundreds of drafts are submitted each day but we have only a handful of experienced volunteers who handle most reviews, so it can take a long time for a draft to be reviewed (which can be done in any order, based on reviewer subject knowledge or which drafts will be quicker to assess or other whims). No news is no news: if the draft is still in the queue, that doesn't mean anything, good or bad. — Bilorv (talk) 17:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@UserABCXYZ: I respectfully disagree with Bilorv. Your draft should make it very clear why the person is notable. Reviewers might not know what Padma Shri is, so you could explain what it is, and what he did to deserve it. It is also not clear what a "Baster band" is. For your references in Hindi, I suggest you add a |trans-title= parameter with an English translation of the Hindi title. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll try to make my point a bit clearer, GoingBatty. If you want to leave a note for a reviewer, such as by explaining why a draft is notable (if it was a draft about an album, you might say "this meets WP:NALBUM condition #2 by charting on the Norwegian national charts"), you can do so on the talk page. This isn't a substitute for including the actual information and references in the draft that demonstrate clearly why the person is notable. It can only be an additional note to help the reviewer quickly navigate to the most important references and facts. — Bilorv (talk) 20:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Bilorv, the creator of a draft is welcome to do as you suggest, but I doubt that most reviewers even glance at the talk page of a draft they're considering. Rather to my surprise, Anup Ranjan Pandey is now promoted to an article. It consists of a single paragraph, which in turn consists of three short sentences. If a subject is promising and such a short text is any good, a reviewer should be able to discern notability. Questions of notability aside, the article seems peculiarly uninformative. "Anup Ranjan Pandey is a musical artist who works in Baster band (a band in Bastar district)": we don't get to learn what the musical genre is (genres are), which instrument(s) ARP plays, or how long ARP has been at it. (For all we know, he could be 25 or 85.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Declined Article

i have been trying to get an article published for months now and i keep reasons for its refusal. I have made a changes to the article but it is not been reviewed for a little while now. Please how can i get my article published. attached is the link to my draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ingrid_M._Evans ELF215 (talk) 16:40, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

You need to address the points made in the previous reviews, and then you can resubmit it for further review. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @ELF215: Your draft is not currently submitted for review. If you have made the necessary changes, you can submit the draft for review by clicking the blue 'Resubmit" button. It looks like there have been very few edits since the draft was declined, so I suspect that more work is needed. RudolfRed (talk) 16:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@ELF215: According to our logs, you have only made one edit, the one above. If you have edited Draft:Ingrid M. Evans using another account, then please note that doing so is a violation of our policy on WP:Sockpuppetry. Also note that the username Paralegalevanslaw is likely in violation of our Username policy. Vexations (talk) 17:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@ELF215: I looked the subject up, and cannot find any significant media coverage, besides this piece in an online legal publication. [[2]]. The other results are legal directories or information about her cases, but not her. Not likely to pass WP:GNG. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:41, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@ELF215: As stated on User talk:Paralegalevanslaw, if you are a paralegal for Evans or have any other relationship with her that would be a conflict of interest, you must declare it on your user page. Each piece of information on your draft should be from an independent and reliable source. Also see WP:SURNAME. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Question

Just a question out of interest, what is the minimum age to be eligible to make edits to Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.35 (talk) 17:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

There is none. But, young editors and their parents should read Wikipedia:Guidance_for_younger_editors RudolfRed (talk) 17:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I see, but is there any age criteria for creating an account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.142.67.35 (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

There is none. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Again - from the Wikimedia Foundation's side, who hosts Wikipedia among other projects, there is none. I can only confirm what RudolfRed has written above - editing on Wikipedia requires a certain degreee of maturity, among other skills, and - due to Wikipedia's open nature - has certain pitfalls, including but not limited to, a scope much different from many of the other websites on the internet. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Articles needing copy-edit

Is there a specific list of articles that need spelling and grammar fixes? So far I've found a list of articles needing copy-edit in general, but I don't know if there's a place where they're divided into categories based on what kind of editing they need. Perfect4th (talk) 17:39, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Perfect4th: Welcome to the Teahouse. The Guild of Copy Editors has a backlog that includes several maintenance tags like {{Tone}} and {{You}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:46, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Is it okay to create a sandbox page without first creating a user page?

Screenshot of the editnotice

Today I wanted to try using my sandbox page to test the wikilink format of Special:Diff for use in an edit summary. However, when attempting to create it I get this vague editnotice. Help:Subpages is of no help in clarifying the significance of this notice, nor is WP:USERSUBPAGE. Skimming Help:Subpages and clicking through some of the links on page, I found nothing at all about the case of creating a subpage when the parent page doesn't exist.

My assumption is that the creators of MediaWiki were competent enough that creating this sandbox page will go without a hitch. Other than the fact that the backlink will be red link. From this, I have to surmise that this editnotice is mainly for the case of creating a subpage under another's user page. Although that seems like an extremely rare occurrence, so really I have no idea what this editnotice is for.

I know very little about how editnotices work technically, but I did look through Category:Editnotice templates to try to find where this editnotice comes from to no avail.

Yes, a much simpler "fix" would have simply been to follow what the editnotice seems to imply and create my user page. But I'm a curious person, and I also don't really want to create my user page until I have something to put there. At this point all that would be is a link to my sandbox.

I've currently sidestepped this issue by simply previewing my sandbox page and never publishing it. Firvqipo (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

If you want to experiment with a sandbox without creating a subpage to a page that does not yet exist, you can use Wikipedia:Sandbox instead. Vexations (talk) 18:24, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Firvqipo: I think that message is just worded in a confusing way. It is not referring to your User Page, it is referring to the Sandbox page in your userspace. I get the same edit notice when I go to my sandbox which does not yet exist, but my user page does. RudolfRed (talk) 18:27, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thank you for testing. I wonder if it's feasible to change this editnotice, as it's quite confusing. Perhaps it's a part of MediaWiki. I've wasted way too much time on this today, so I won't go researching that myself. Firvqipo (talk) 18:38, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

BTW, the help page for subpages on the mediawiki software is at mw:Help:Subpages Vexations (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Firvqipo, I think you are fine to create a sandbox, even if you don't have a user page. (If it somehow accidentally got deleted, you could just ping the deleting admin and they'd restore it.) The name of the page that creates that notice is MediaWiki:Newarticletext. It displays differently in different namespapces/situtations. Is there a particular way you'd like to see it changed when creating a userspace subpage? Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:25, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I'd like it to be reworded to make it clear that the "user page" referenced in "Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact title" is in fact the subpage being created, and not the parent user page. Per RudolfRed's response. I can't think of a good way to rephrase it off the top of my head. Perhaps simply replacing "user page" with "user subpage" or "subpage in user space" would suffice? Firvqipo (talk) 23:04, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Firvqipo! The way MediaWiki handles slashes in page names is, umm … interesting. Technically, the page name is the full path as displayed "User:Firvqipo/sandbox" not just "sandbox". It's not like a file system where the containing folder must exist before you can put a file into it. If the part before the slash doesn’t exist as a page, then relative paths like "../sibling" won't point to where you might expect. If you're not creating sub-sub-pages nor using relative paths (uncommon on Wikipedia, but does happen on Wikisource) then you'll probably never notice a practical difference. The one hint may be the "breadcrumb" links at the top of the page. Hope that makes sense! ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 05:04, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Article Notification - General Notability Guideline

Hello,

I recently created my first article Stephen Guidry, and this message (below) popped up on the page:

The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Please help to demonstrate the notability of the topic by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be shown, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. Find sources: "Stephen Guidry" American football – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (October 2021) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

I'm not sure what to do about it... Born of Iron (talk) 20:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

You bypassed Articles for Creation to create an article about a player who had a college career and was drafted to the NFL, but has yet to play a game. The article may get punted to draft status or nominated for deletion as not being about a person who meets Wikipedia's criteria of notability. To paraphrase: American NFL football players are presumed notable if they have appeared in at least one regular season or post-season game." David notMD (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I agree with David notMD assessment. The article looks good in terms of what is written, but the subject is not yet notable per Wikipedia standards. Once he makes a regular or postseason start, we can re-assess. Bkissin (talk) 21:06, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Born of Iron: The notability criteria David notMD mentioned is located at WP:NGRIDIRON. GoingBatty (talk) 21:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Can i get my page reviewed .a.s.a.p.?

HI, I need my page reviewed. is it posibble to get page reviewed a.s.a.p? please ignore my spelling in this request and grammar. I'm on a chromebook laptop right now. FaarizPlayz (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@FaarizPlayz: There is no deadline. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Can you explain Why you are in so much hurry? २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 20:11, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu, I know. it just that I will need to update the page when time comes. Once, you read the page. You'll find out what I mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FaarizPlayz (talk • contribs) 20:23, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

You moved it to mainspace and an editor kicked it back to draft: Draft:Thanoose on Zebra series. I put a SUBMIT tag on it, but if you submit, it will be declined, as all refs are YouTube. Once submitted, it can be up to two months before reviewed (the system is not a queue). Teahouse hosts are not at Teahouse to be Reviewers. David notMD (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

FaarizPlayz, the replies you received here and here and here still apply. --bonadea contributions talk 08:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, FaarizPlayz. It sounds as if you have a (very common) misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia has nothing whatever to do with advancing anybody's career. If at some point there is an article about you, it will not belong to you, it will not be for your benefit (except incidentally), it will not be controlled by you, it will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and it should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with you have chosen to publish about you, not on what you say or want to say. If you want to work on your online presence, please do so somewhere else, not in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 09:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps about Draft:Philippines in the ABU TV Song Festival?

Added title

I will like to make the Contest Country  Returning Jai (talk) 22:53, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Returning Jai: Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do in Wikipedia. To learn how to edit, I suggest visiting Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure, and then spend time editing existing articles. When you feel you're ready, gather multiple independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the Philippines in the ABU TV Song Festival, and follow the instructions at Help:Your first article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:43, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Help

Is any image from this site public domain through any US Government copyright tag? Peter Ormond 💬 23:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

@Peter Ormond: Welcome to the Teahouse! You are correct, per Wikipedia:Non-free content#In general. You can use the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard and click "Upload a non-free file". On the next page, complete all the appropriate fields, and in Step 3 select "This is a free work" and "This file is in the Public Domain for some other reason." and "It was created by an agency of the US Federal Government." Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

The only thing I would add to GoingBatty's information here is to try to avoid a full WP:COPYPASTE of the information from the Public Domain source. It may not be a copyright violation, but it's still a little tacky. Bkissin (talk) 15:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

What do we do with these types of articles?

I was looking through random articles and I sometimes I see ones like this South Korea at the 1992 Winter Paralympics. They haven’t been edited in two years and it’s a stub. Kaleeb18 (talk) 00:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Often a stub is something that still has plenty of potential to become something greater; it may only be a stub because no editor has put together the sources to expand yet, not because they aren't out there. I recently finished bringing an article through the "featured" article process that was a simple 70-word stub when I found it, and sometimes there's a lot of personal enjoyment to be found in taking those articles and making something of them. In the specific case of the one you linked, you could try looking through the relevant wikiproject to find similar articles of a higher standard to use as a model--Wikipedia:WikiProject Olympics/Paralympics has a few articles under the "X at the Y Paralympics" format that have gone through review as "good" articles and you could use those as examples. A stub is just an opportunity for a new project. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes I see, but what if the article has no good references? Do we just send it through the deletion process? Kaleeb18 (talk) 01:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: There are several options listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#Before nominating: checks and alternatives. GoingBatty (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: For this article in particular, it could be expanded to include information about the two athletes and the events in which they competed. GoingBatty (talk) 01:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

How do i use MediaWiki?

How do I use it? Do I need some funding or something like that? I really make my own called "Manchild wiki" or REDB wiki. a updated manual would be good tho Thegibuspyro (talk) 02:47, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Thegibuspyro: Welcome to the Teahouse! https://www.mediawiki.org/ looks like it has lots of information for you, including it own user help, FAQ, and support desk. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:50, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks but can link any manuals or "FAQS" for it!Thegibuspyro (talk) 02:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Thegibuspyro: https://www.mediawiki.org/ has a box "Set up and run MediaWiki". It's much easier to use the wiki hosting service Fandom than setting up and running your own MediaWiki installation. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Thegibuspyro: On https://www.mediawiki.org/ the left sidebar has links labeled "FAQ" and "Technical manual". GoingBatty (talk) 03:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

When can I begin to edit locked pages?

I really wanted to add information to my favourite football team Chelsea fc but there page is locked so when can I edit it? Footballeditor999 (talk) 07:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Footballeditor999 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may post on the article talk page and make an edit request(click for instructions) detailing the change you would like to see made. Your account must be four days old with 10 edits or more to be able to edit that article. 331dot (talk) 07:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Footballeditor999: I'll also add that any information you add to the article should be reliably sourced from sources independent of the subject, and should significantly cover said subject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:39, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Footballeditor999: To answer more generally, there are different levels of locks, and the chart at Wikipedia:Protection policy shows which editors can edit which articles. I suggest you ensure you fully understand why all six of your article edits were reverted, and then make some successful article edits, before editing the Chelsea FC article. GoingBatty (talk) 02:05, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Account Creator

How to become Account Creator in Wikipedia and How to use ACC Tool for creating accounts UserABCXYZ (talk) 10:49, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

The account creator role is given to experienced and trusted Wikipedia users to assist in creating accounts for other people under special circumstances.

Why are you seeking this role? ClaudineChionh (talk) 11:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Did you mean article creator and Articles for Creation (AfC)? See WP:YFA. David notMD (talk) 12:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – Combined sections. GoingBatty (talk) 02:14, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

I read a wikipedia page this Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Account creator/Administrator instructions in the second line that "It is granted to users who are active in the account request process (ACC)." so what is the meaning of active in ACC and How to active in ACC and last question that users who are active in ACC which was they have to do and how to join ACC UserABCXYZ (talk) 11:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

You asked about ACC a few minutes ago. See my reply, above. David notMD (talk) 12:43, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

UserABCXYZ, please make several hundred constructive, substantive alterations to articles before you worry about such matters. You might start with an article you created, Anup_Ranjan_Pandey. (I point out above that currently this is curiously uninformative.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, Eisshh! Hoary, please go easy on them, @UserABCXYZ, what Hoary is saying is you need to understand and grasp the fundamentals of editing properly before moving into more advanced areas of this collaborative project. Furthermore as stated by David notMD do you mean WP:AFC? Celestina007 (talk) 13:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Thomas Christiano

Hi there! Just got a rejection of my draft for the prominent philosopher Thomas Christiano. Maybe I am assuming a bit too much here but he got books published with Oxford University Press and three papers with the highest ranking philosophy journals. Yet, User:Greenman seems to disagree and has referred me to the notability guidelines.

But it clearly states there: "Many scientists, researchers, philosophers and other scholars (collectively referred to as "academics" for convenience) are notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources."

So with my draft I went for the criteria stated in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)

Why would my draft be subject to other notability criteria than that? Friddle (talk) 11:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link draft:Thomas Christiano Karenthewriter (talk) 12:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Friddle, which of the eight criteria listed at Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Criteria do you believe Christiano satisfies? (I'm not claiming that he doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards of notability; but you're going to need to make your case and support it with references.) Maproom (talk) 12:32, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Friddle: Welcome to the Teahouse! To state that "he is one of the most influential American philosophers in moral and political philosophy", you'll need to provide an independent reliable source that makes this claim. The first two references you provided merely show that he is an author. GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Not certain how to cite PDF file

FYI

 – Added section heading -- ClaudineChionh (talk)

I would like to cite a PDF file made by the Swedish police regarding the 2021 Eslöv school attack in Sweden, but I am unable to find the actual source of the PDF. I could only find it on a file-sharing website which is blocked by Wikipedia. I believe the PDF contains critical information about the event which in my eyes raises its significance immensely. For example, the Police state the attack was inspired by the Christchurch Mosque attacks and was politically motivated. The attack was also livestreamed to Twitch via a mounted camera. Since this PDF seems to be the only piece of media that states this information (no news articles have written about the new information in it yet) I have no idea on how I can share this information. Parzival2101 (talk) 12:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Parzival2101 and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you can't. Information in Wikipedia must be attributable to published reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. You first need to find such sources.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:20, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Parzival2101 could you share the "PDF file made by the Swedish police regarding the 2021 Eslöv school attack in Sweden" or whatever you have in your hands right now. I'll try my best in helping find the actual citation cause I that's what my name --LostCitrationHunter (talk) 14:20, 23 October 2021 (UTC) (it was spposed to be Citation but that name was already taken)

Draft:Alan Singh

@Muninnbot:, @Lazy Maniik: and @RegentsPark: Ji, Is Alan Singh page fit for Wikipedia now? Because his ten references have been completed. Using all these references, help me complete Alan Singh page.

Courtesy: Draft:Alan Singh. RegentsPark removed references that do not qualify as reliable source references, for example Exam Books. Current draft at three references and Declined on 21 October by Lazy Maniik. David notMD (talk) 12:45, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Karsan Chanda: Bots are not able to answer questions. You can visit User:Muninnbot to see the limited amount of edits it performs. I suggest you update your draft to comply with Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography. For your book references, I suggest you add parameters such as |author=, |publisher=, |year=, and |page=. Happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) 02:21, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

What is the difference between Draft:Sandbox and Wikipedia:Sandbox?

What is the difference between Draft:Sandbox and Wikipedia:Sandbox? 85.193.252.19 (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@85.193.252.19, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I noticed your question has remain unanswered for a while, we apologize, whilst I’m not entirely sure i understand what you are asking, I would proceed to give you a blanket response, which is, the WP:SANDBOX, is a space where you are free to test and practice your editing skills. Celestina007 (talk) 13:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Sandbox and Wikipedia:Sandbox are both sandboxes, where you can practice editing, but can't expect what you do to remain there. They are different sandboxes, with (as far as I can tell) identical properties. Maproom (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

The main difference is how Visual Editor is not enabled, by default, for Wikipedia: pages. I don't fully get the difference, but there is one. Try Special:Edit/Draft:Sandbox and Special:Edit/Wikipedia:Sandbox in new cookie-free windows. So if VE is your thing, Draft: is the place to try it out. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:11, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Zzuuzz: actually, there is not realy a difference: You can deliberately activate VE in namespaces where its link in the toolbar doesn't appear by default, by adding the veaction=edit param to the URL. (link for this page) or if done properly, I don't have a way ad hoc, by using mw.libs.ve.activateVe(mode). I believe the reason why the Visual Editor is not enabled in certain namespaces is that it was mainly designed to help new users get a feeling for editing Wikipedia without having to learn the complex Wikisyntax. For pages in the Wikipedia namespace this is most often either not what new users do (as new users probbably won't create policies or essays using complex syntax), or useless (for example on this very page) as there is no support for section editing, resulting in you getting edit conflicts all over the place.Another reason for some namespaces is that the Visual Editor only support pages that are written in Wikitext, which some namespaces simply aren't. The pretty much only case where Visual Editing could be usefull in the Wikipedia namespace are AFD and related pages, which are most likely short enough to not constantly cause edit conflicts. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt I can activate visual editor on both sites. All I need is to click on "Edit page visually". So I see no difference at all.

Thank you all for such a detailed explanation, but my question was not very important. I asked out of curiosity, but I don't care which site I use. But again, thanks for your response. I am pleasantly surprised :-) 85.193.252.19 (talk) 21:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

can we link articles from other wikipedias?

For the Wikipedia in English article Michel Magne I'd like to link the Caen Conservatory, but the English Wikipedia doesn't have an article about it, but the French one does https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatoire_%C3%A0_rayonnement_r%C3%A9gional_de_Caen Greg Dahlen (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: See H:FOREIGNLINK. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen I prefer Template:Interlanguage link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Which is the first option on the page zzuuzz linked to, Gråbergs Gråa Sång. --ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

So it is. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:29, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Why do we use Latin ipa

 Oliverdlh (talk) 17:40, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Because the International Phonetic Alphabet is "based primarily on the Latin script", as it says in that article. Or do you mean some other IPA?   Maproom (talk) 18:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

proper licensing for SVG replacements of raster images

I am dipping my toe in the water of editing Wikipedia and was looking to update some rasterized images, consistent with the template: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Convert_to_SVG .

I was hoping someone could provide clarity on best practices for this as far as licensing/uploading. I had tried one, but on reflection think that I had made some inaccurate selections. Chief among them, while the reproduction is my work, on reflection, I don't think that is the most accurate choice from the perspective of the upload wizard. Ex.,

• original: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Cascade_refrigeration_(two-cycle)_process_schematic_diagram.png
• conversion: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cascade_refrigeration_(two-cycle)_process_schematic_diagram.svg

It seems like now it would be better to select/provide the following to the upload wizard:

• this file is not my own work radio button
• source (link to original Wikimedia file)
• author (original file's author)
• license (original file's license)

Additional recommendations welcome!

For reference, here is an example image that appears to be a high quality reproduction, but may be making similar licensing errors by accident.

• original: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OO_Modeling_languages_history.jpg
• conversion: LBuwBsCY15V$ (talk) 17:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Unverified/Uncited information about Ray Eberle's grandchildren on his Wikipedia page: Requesting additions and/or corrections?

Hello! I notice which a recently-deleted Wikipedia user (Rayeberlefamily) has made some inaccurate edits to the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Eberle ...The date of this edit is displayed as https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ray_Eberle&oldid=1035848025 or July 28th, 2021. Namely, he, she, or they made the following changes, which I shall quote here: Added grandchildren, fixed cause of death. The name of at least one of these grandchildren, Michael Eberle is not accurate, because ...1: There don't seem to be any sources or citations claiming him to be part of the Eberle family. 2: If by 'Michael Eberle', they refer to my Mom, Laurie's firstborn son, then his last name was never Eberle when he was born or at any time during or after his childhood. My Mom was married to her first husband, Mike DePilla during this time. Please pardon me if the spelling of his last name is incorrect. Thus, Michael's last name should not be listed as Eberle.

Furthermore, I am the second biological son of my aforementioned Mom, named Ross Eberle. I would prefer if Michael's name be removed from the article since he didn't consider himself to be related to the Eberle family. He ultimately chose to live with his father, while still a minor. This happened after my Mom divorced her husband, Mike. However, if Michael is going to be listed as one of Ray's grandchildren in this article, then I have the right to be listed on this article as well, since my Mom's last name was Eberle at the time of my birth; she was not currently married. If anyone has any questions or comments in regards to this, feel free to contact me here on Wikipedia.

P.S. I have shown this article to my Mom, Laurie with its most recent edits, before sending this message. The purpose of this was to gain her opinion and permission to contact you, the editors on my grandfather's (Ray Eberle's) talk page. Any citations in regards to my requests for these changes can be requested from me at any time. SnarkyEberle (talk) 19:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

SnarkyEberle, you asked about this at Talk:Ray Eberle. That was the right place to ask. Now wait for a response there. In the meantime, I suggest that the article should say nothing about its subject's grandchildren, even if the sole cited source mentions them (or any of them). (I haven't looked at the cited source.) If you do want the article to say something, then whatever that "something" is, you're going to have to present a reliable, independent, published source for it: personal knowledge is disregarded. -- Hoary (talk) 22:12, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

An editor has removed names of children and all mentions of grandchildren, which is in accord with accepted practice at Wikipedia unless the children or grandchildren are themselves notable enough to be subjects of articles. David notMD (talk) 00:33, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Factual Content was deleted. the deletionist said "wrong song" but it is confirmed 100% ?????

Factual Content was deleted. the deletionist said "wrong song" but it is confirmed 100% ?????

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Don_McLean&diff=1051466002&oldid=1051464581

Jonny Mathis "And I Love You So" is a song by Johnny Mathis. It is track #3 from the album Killing Me Softly With Her Song that was released in 1973 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Me_Softly_with_Her_Song_(album) The song was written by Don McLean

Eddy Arnold: "And I Love You So" Album: Hand Holdin' Songs 1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_Arnold_discography The song was written by Don McLean Lib-trans-free (talk) 19:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

At first glance it looks like your addition was fine, but the correct course of action is now to present your suggestion on the Talk Page. It's likely not a high-traffic Talk Page, so I will watch the page and defend the addition if it proves to be accurate and due. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

No response on a contribution I made

Good day,

On my submitted contribution on 20th August,2021 : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Vayam&oldid=1039659486

There is no response yet.

Kindly guide me on how to proceed with it KaizenKraft (talk) 21:37, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@KaizenKraft: welcome to the Teahouse. You had not submitted your draft for review. I have added a template that allows you to do so, but it is not likely that the draft would be accepted in its current state. For one thing, it contains quite a bit of language that looks like advertising, and there is information in the draft that has no source, or is sourced to IMDb, which is not a reliable source. The plot summary does not summarise the plot – a plot summary should not ask questions, and it should summarise the entire plot, briefly. --bonadea contributions talk 21:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

article in the sandbox of my user account, but how to publish it in wikipedia?

I prepared an new article in the sandbox of my user account, but how to publish it in wikipedia? I am completely lost in the help space of wikipedia. user account: EvalRohstoffe EvalRohstoffe (talk) 22:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@EvalRohstoffe If you know how to start an empty new article, then do it and you will see an empty source page. Your next action is simple: copy and paste the source code from your sandbox to the new article. Is this the article you want to create? I hope it will help. 85.193.252.19 (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

EvalRohstoffe is not autoconfirmed and cannot create articles directly. You can add {{subst:submit}} to the sandbox to submit it for review, or you can use the Article Wizard linked on User talk:EvalRohstoffe, and choose "Next" on the first page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@EvalRohstoffe: Welcome to the Teahouse! Before you submit the draft for review, I suggest you read Help:Your first article and Wikipedia:Manual of Style and Help:Footnotes, and make the appropriate adjustments to your draft. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, and reading and updating existing articles will also help you with your draft. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Becoming a confirmed user

FYI

 – Added section heading -- ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs)

How to become confirmed user(not extended confirmed) as my account is auto confirmed. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 23:16, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@२ तकर पेप्सी: You don't need to do anything – there is no functional difference between manually and auto-confirmed users. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 23:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Should I reference the same source multiple times?

I'm sorry if this has an obvious answer, but this is my first time editing a Wikipedia article. I wanted to add some information to the Cabinet de lecture Wikipedia article, and was wondering if I add information in separate places in the article, should I include an inline citation to the resource each time I reference information I found in it? Cvwayne (talk) 00:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Cvwayne—Yes, unless you have several consecutive sentences that it could be added to the end of, then it should be cited in each separate location where it applies. If you look at today's featured article Livyatan for example you can see that the first source is cited in about 20 different locations, which is the proper way to use it when its information is spread throughout the article. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much, 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ! Cvwayne (talk) 00:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Entering content to publish

Re: Entering a subject matter for Publishing with the subject's approval. Is it necessary to contact the subject in an accounting of a performing artists performance? Are website's copyright of pictorial material added to permissions? Channel19 (talk) 01:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello! Do you want to add content to an existing article or create a new article? You do not need approval from the subject of the article, but anything you add should follow Wikipedia's guidelines for writing biographies of living persons and including or linking to copyright material. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 01:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

talk page

who is supposed to answer questions in talk pages 2601:440:C081:74B0:70C5:DF93:7B76:97CF (talk) 04:03, 24 October 2021 (UTC)