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First article unilaterally deleted as "advertising"

Hello...who can help me discover why the wikipedia article I wrote this morning was unilaterally deleted when I requested review and if I can get a re-review, and some understanding why this happened.

This is honestly...a truly awful experience for a first time editor...so folks, here is your chance to correct a horrific first impression. Danbrotherston (talk) 13:14, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

(The page was todo.txt by the way) Danbrotherston (talk) 13:15, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

The reasons given for deletion is Unambiguous advertising or promotion: no proper references (criteria G11). @Danbrotherston, Wikipedia articles are summaries of what has been published in reliable sources on notable subjects. If you read Help:Your first article, you'll get some idea of what went wrong and where to go from here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I am aware that is the reason as I stated it in my title. The article was clearly not advertising. It may not have had a neutral tone or sufficient references to satisfy the editor. But deleting it does not allow me to correct those deficiencies.

I now understand very well why wikipedia cannot recruit new editors. Danbrotherston (talk) 18:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Tagging @Jimfbleak, the person who deleted Draft:Todo.txt - I assume there's probably a good explanation here, @Danbrotherston, and I hope that you don't give up on Wikipedia because of a bad experience! casualdejekyll 13:35, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

@Danbrotherston, I don't mean this to be unsympathetic and unkind, and I hope it won't come across that way. But a first time editor plunging in and writing an article strikes me as sort of like someone who's never been on a ski before strapping on a pair and launching himself down an Olympic ski jump. It's likely to be a horrific first--and quite possibly last, of any kind--impression. Sure, it's sad. But don't blame the institution. I have no special access to things, so I have no way of knowing what you were trying to do. But a lot of people come into Wikipedia and try to do big things, with erroneous and incomplete impressions about what Wikipedia is, and--perhaps more importantly--what it isn't; how it works and how it doesn't. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:39, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll and AzseicsoK:, thanks, I replied on Danbrotherston's talk page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:15, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

There was a topic that I was surprised did not exist. I wrote an article for it. This is the whole concept. I expected comments on my article, suggestions, improvements, reviews, not unilateral deletion of my work.

Frankly, I won't be contributing again, and that is a shame. There are a number of articles about wikipedia struggling to recruit new editors. I see clearly why this is a problem given how they treat new contributors.

I am happy to work and improve my work, but I cannot do that now, it is deleted. Danbrotherston (talk) 18:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately @Casualdejekyll I won't be contributing further. I can certainly see why there is difficulty recruiting new editors.

I had hoped that there was a good reason, missinterpretation, working too quickly, or something. It appears that is not the case. If Wikipedia wanted to recruit new editors, they should give feedback and give an opportunity to improve. Danbrotherston (talk) 18:28, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

@Danbrotherston - I highly disagree with what you just said - there was both 1. a good reason and 2. feedback. The "good reason" was that the article was not sourced. Wikipedia Articles need to be sourced to reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject- for more information, see WP:V and WP:N. The "feedback" was the comment Jimfbleak posted on your talk page, which can be found here, in which he gave feedback - feedback which I know you saw, because you replied to it. Because of this, to me it does not look like an "awful experience" at all, but rather that you are reacting to the deletion of your draft by giving up entirely. Not everything is possible on your first attempt, you know. Imagine if you were learning to play the piano - would you give up immediately because you can't play perfectly after one lesson?

However, @Jimfbleak - in my opinion it is WP:BITEy to delete someone's first draft without ever touching their user talk page. Dan here did not even know which admin deleted the draft until I checked the deletion logs for them, which as you may be able to guess results in plenty of confusion and frustration. As such, I really can't blame them for freaking out about it. In future, could you make sure to at least drop a welcome message, or something? casualdejekyll 18:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll Those are good reasons for not accepting a page or for requesting edits, not a good reason for deletion.

I can no longer work on the draft at all. In fact, I do not even know what I wrote that was so offensive that it needed to be deleted immediately. Danbrotherston (talk) 18:56, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

@Danbrotherston, you're free to start a new draft, but - this is key - first you should make sure that you have the reliable, independent, secondary sources which are required. If you can't find any, it's best to not proceed further. If can find some, then start building a new draft by reading those sources, summarizing in your own words what they say, and citing them as you go. Again I recommend reading Help:Your first article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:01, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks anonymous commenter. But I think I'll pass. Danbrotherston (talk) 19:06, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

The cited reason is WP:G11 - the draft was promotional and read like an advertisement - however, the examples Jim provided in his feedback do not strike me as that bad, promotional wise. If you wish, you could take it to Deletion review, but I don't know what was in the draft and therefore do not know whether or not it was promotional. casualdejekyll 19:22, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the link and suggestion. I was not even aware such a review could be requested.

I personally don't think it read like an advertisement. I certainly do not think it was "exclusively" promotional as the G11 criteria suggests. I had a section specifying the format of the file, and I really don't see how that could read as "promotional" as it was a description of a file format.

But, again, I can't even review what I wrote, so I can't make an assessment.

Jeff did give a list of specific (and valid) issues with my work. But they also noted copyright infringement which absolutely does not apply. Then Jeff offered to see what he can "salvage" from my draft tomorrow. No thanks.

I really do appreciate you taking the time with me, but this experience has been extremely negative. You're right, I did "freak out" about it, I'm confused and frankly hurt. So I'm not going to bother asking for a review, mostly because it would be out of nothing more than spite, I won't be contributing even if the deletion was reverted.

Please. I love wikipedia...it's an amazing resource, I hope the next potential contributor gets a better experience. Danbrotherston (talk) 19:37, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

@Danbrotherston - Jim declined my request to see the deleted material, so I cannot help you further. I hope you come back some day, though. casualdejekyll 12:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate the efforts and sentiment. Honestly, I find this whole situation very weird. I work in software, but not with Wikimedia specifically...is there some cost to reverting something that I'm unaware of? Like, resource wise? Process wise? My assumption would be that it would be a push of a button, am I missing something? Danbrotherston (talk) 14:09, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Danbrotherston, we have deletion processes and undeletion processes, and they're overseen by admins, who are the only ones with access to the buttons. If you want your article back, you'll need to ask an admin for it - either directly (on their talk page or thru email) or via WP:DRV. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:12, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Jeff is an admin I assume...they are the persona we are talking about, they unilaterally deleted the page under the WP:G11 quick deletion criteria as we have discussed in this thread, I assume reverting the deletion would be equally as straight forward, but they have resisted doing so. Danbrotherston (talk) 14:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@199.208.172.35 Danbrotherston (talk) 14:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Danbrotherston, then you'll need to either ask another admin or go to WP:DRV. Here is a link to a list of admins who have said they are willing to provide copies of deleted articles on request: Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles, but the proper avenue is WP:DRV, as that page says. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

The initial message you received on your user talk page contained a 'one size fits all' template message. The information about copyright was part of that. MrOllie (talk) 14:34, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@MrOllie The message contained actual quotes from my article, every single point, except for the copyright point directly referred to my article, in some cases explicitly to issues I now see that I have like incorrect linking. It clearly wasn't a template. The message might have taken snippets of text from existing sources, but the specific points to copy were clearly selected.

FWIW if the admin had sent me that message instead of simply deleting my article as "spam or advertising" without comment, we wouldn't be having this conversation and I'd be happily improving my article. Even if the admin had restored the draft so that I could improve it after giving me their comments I'd probably still be open to contributing. But that is not what has happened. Danbrotherston (talk) 14:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, they added some personalized stuff to a form letter. The copyright stuff was part of the form letter. MrOllie (talk) 14:48, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@MrOllie Maybe...it seems an oddly specific set of criteria that happen to all but one apply directly to my work.

But that wasn't really my main issue here. This has clearly been a problematic and hostile interaction for me. Deleting my article off hand, on what I feel are incorrect basis. Being unwilling to restore the draft even after providing feedback. Danbrotherston (talk) 14:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Danbrotherston, I'm not entirely sure what you're hoping for us, here at the Teahouse, to do. We can't sanction folks - those things are handled at WP:ANI, WP:AN or, in extreme cases, WP:ArbCom. If you think that the speedy deletion criteria were incorrectly applied, you can take your case to WP:DRV. There's no way to force an admin to restore an article they've decided should be deleted, or even to apologize. They can only be dragged to "court", so to speak, and desysoped for bad behavior. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

You folks have done more than enough. Everyone here has been extremely helpful. But ultimately I don't think there's anything to be done. I could go to deletion review, but I'm already put off here, and I don't think I'd be interested in continuing. Certainly not enough to get involved with some significant process for which I don't fully understand, and cannot effectively leverage.

I appreciate the help from everyone. They've given great advice to engage with the original admin, or to consider a deletion review, but I've gone as far as I'm willing to. I'm not asking for anything further. But I think it's worth understanding what went wrong hence, I'll reply to any comments here. Danbrotherston (talk) 17:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

• Danbrotherston I'm sorry to hear that you have not had a good experience. I must agree with some of the analogies that other users have offered- you dived right in to creating articles- the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia- and are upset with us that it didn't go perfectly on the first attempt and want to quit. There is a definite learning curve here, but there is also people willing to help you understand if you are willing to hear it. I can certainly understand being upset and having frustration at something that you likely spent a long time on being deleted. We usually recommend that to avoid frustration and anger that new users not dive right in to creating articles, and instead first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.

As an admin I can examine the draft; it just documented the existence of the topic- that is considered promotional here, you don't have to be soliciting or selling something. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Do you have independent reliable sources that discuss the importance of your topic? 331dot (talk) 15:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@331dot "didn't go perfectly." Is an understatement. My draft was unilaterally deleted with almost no feedback. That's well beyond "didn't go perfectly". As I've said a few times, I was happy and eager for feedback. It was what I expected. It's what I understood of the process. I was happy to work and anticipating working on it further. I didn't even understand how it came to happen at first. I assumed it must have been a mistake. I was given feedback after the fact, but the draft is still deleted, so I cannot act on that feedback.

Certainly this is not the only article to document the existence of something. For example this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_To_Do basically documents the existence of MS Todo and it's history. My article more or less does the same thing. If more comprehensive citations are needed, great, I was happy to do that, todo.txt isn't exactly an unknown format, it's supported by several major open source todo apps like Gnome Todo, as documented on those pages and on open source articles.

But again, this isn't really the point. I cannot improve my draft, because it is deleted. I appreciate that the tone, and citations were not up to standards. I definitely appreciate the help others have given me here (and in the IRC). I followed their advice and engaged with the admin who deleted, and I got feedback. You can read the exchange on my talk page, the admin Jeff didn't revert the deletion. He made the "conciliation" of maybe tomorrow seeing if there is anything that he could "salvage". Not exactly encouraging I would say.

It seems I can request a review of the deletion, but I'm not inclined to. I'm (relatively) new here, I don't want to get involved in a process like this...I don't want to try and lawyer in a system I have no familiarity with. And ultimately, it would be out of spite. After this experience, I have no interest in contributing further. I certainly would never write another article, I wouldn't risk having my work deleted.

Again, I appreciate the help given here, folks have done a great job. But in the end there is no further resolution. Fix the processes so this doesn't happen to the next person, or make peace with the fact that deleting article in this manner will bully away new contributors (biting I take it is the term used here). Danbrotherston (talk) 17:03, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

If it would help, I can email you the deleted text. Please note that other poor content existing does not justify adding more poor content. In looking at the draft, I would have made the same decision. I will restate that you are like a beginner skier deciding to go down the Olympic slalom course or ski jump, you did so, crashed, and now want to quit- where if you had instead taken a class and gone down the bunny slope first, you would still want to ski. If you'd take things slower, read some guidelines, hear our advice, edit existing articles and the like first, you would now be happier. I urge you to reconsider, but if not, I wish you well. 331dot (talk) 17:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@331dot I would actually urge you to reconsider. A policy of deletion is harmful to your goals. Deleting a page without feedback or action items does not accomplish encourage or welcome a new contributor and not deleting the page would seem to costs nothing. It also assumes bad faith. It assumes that I intended to write an advertisement and have gotten caught. If I wrote the article in good faith, which I did, then a path to improve it should be given.

And frankly I have read many of the guidelines now. In fact, it seems like deletion in situations like this does not really comply with policies. Specifically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers#How_to_avoid_being_a_%22biter%22 seems to explicitly advise against doing this under number 14.

Unfortunately, I am not going to reconsider. I wish you folks well, wikipedia is a fantastic resource, I use it extensively, and it's clear there are many great people working on it. But this has also been a hostile unpleasant experience and I'm not willing to subject myself to that, at this point, it's going to be a sore spot any time I use wikipedia as a resource again...and I regret ever getting involved. Danbrotherston (talk) 18:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@331dot For example, compare this interaction to how my experience has gone...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#Hospital_and_doctor

This is what a positive interaction looks like. Danbrotherston (talk) 05:55, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Well, if you want to change how policies are applied, the way to do that isn't to quit after your first and only attempt at editing. Even if you don't want to change policies or work to change them, you could approach the deleting admin and say "hey, this kinda bothered me and here's why". Jimfbleak did leave an explanation on your user talk page, and you responded to it, and Jim said they would look at the draft again. I've offered to send it to you- both of which would let you work on it. Deletion is easily reversible and not written in stone. Also, try to look at it from our side. We see literally hundreds of efforts a day to advertise or promote here. 331dot (talk) 08:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@331dot I know deletion is easily reversible, that's why I'm shocked at this situation. Jimf was pretty harsh, he suggested he would look to see if anything was "salvageable", that is not encouraging or helpful.

And I am absolutely conciliatory to your position.

And I'm in no position to change policies. But from what I've read it wouldn't matter, they aren't even being followed.

I'm not interested in working on it just to have it deleted with zero feedback again. Danbrotherston (talk) 09:44, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't see where Jim was "harsh" but it may be a matter of perspective. They seemed polite and civil to me. Yes, you disagree with their action, but they weren't uncivil with you. You are in a position to change policies, but it requires work and engagement. No, it's not easy, and shouldn't be. You can also challenge the application of any policy to you. If you don't wish to, that's certainly your option, and there's nothing wrong with not wanting to put in that effort. But the path is open. You were given feedback, "Bear in mind that whatever is restored, it will not be accepted without independent third-party sources supporting evidence of notability as linked in my initial reply. You could work on that in the interim, and see if restoration is worthwhile". I'm sorry you won't be editing. 331dot (talk) 10:01, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@331dot Do feel that referring to someone's work as maybe "salvageable" and strongly urging them to see whether it's even "worthwhile" is a neutral tone? That's to say nothing of being welcoming or encouraging. Just because someone speaks politely with a civil tone does not mean what they are saying is not harmful.

That is not a welcoming or encouraging experience. I have been given the impression (and frankly, by you as well) that I should not attempt to write an article. Deleting the draft without feedback (in apparent contradiction from the guidelines) was only the beginning. When I say I have been conciliatory, that's what I mean, I was open to engaging at that point. Danbrotherston (talk) 10:15, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Not a host, but I agree with 331dot here...all the interactions I've seen on OP's talk page and here seem like normal Wikipedia behavior and execution of policies. If the article itself was deleted as advertising, it probably had puffy language (example: "He was a trailblazer and is currently working hard on a mission to change the world") or was not notable really. Your argument sounds like WP:WAX to me here. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 14:32, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Look, I'm going to be blunt here @Vamsi20 maybe my draft is absolute garbage and offends the eye of anyone who reads it. I don't know, I haven't read it in two days.

But Jimf deleting it without any explanation and refusing to revert it even after providing feedback has wasted everyone's time. If you don't care about my feelings, fine, but ya'll are wasting your own time.

The WP:NEWBIES (look, I figured out how to do the links too) doc says newbies should be bold, it suggests introducing yourself first and being encouraging. It explicitly recommends against deletion. I didn't see any of that practised in my initial interactions here.

Learning a bit of empathy and being constructive with people (as you know, is supposedly a guideline here) is far more effective than this which is a bad experience for everyone.

I'm not sure why you think I'm offended by the criticism of my draft. I've said a dozen times, I welcomed feedback. That isn't my issue. Danbrotherston (talk) 15:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Danbrotherston, this seems to be going in circles. You don't like how you were treated. We understand that. You've been told what our policies are, and how to change them. You've been told what was wrong with your draft, and how to fix it. You've been told that we don't see any egregious behavioral problems here, but that you're free to lodge a complaint in one of the places set up to handle them if you wish.

You've now been posting here at the Teahouse for three days. This is rapidly becoming multiple times longer than any other section on the page, with no resolution in sight.

Do you have some other question we can answer? What is it you want? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

No...I have no other questions. I'm not the one posting here. I'm simply answering replies I'm getting.

I'm sure there's some other process that I'm getting wrong here, on how to end the issue...

FWIW...the "advice" on "how to fix" my draft, has been to...not try to write an article. Which is the advice I'm taking. Danbrotherston (talk) 15:30, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

The way to end this issue is to simply stop posting here, even if someone else replies. MrOllie (talk) 15:33, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough...to me it seems rude to not answer when someone takes the time to reply. Danbrotherston (talk) 15:34, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

By the way, it is worth pointing out AGAIN. The changes I would make to the policies to improve things are ALREADY present. The actions taken here are explicitly in convention of the guidelines I've read. Danbrotherston (talk) 15:33, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Then go to WP:ANI with your evidence, and see if you can get consensus for a formal sanction. No matter how times you point that out here, "here" will still not be the right place. Nothing will get accomplished. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:57, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

The advice that hosts give here for new editors whose first goal is to get an article on mainspace is to put that idea on a back-burner and get an idea of what is considered acceptable (or even exceptional) by policy, because what many of these new editors want don't align with Wikipedia's objectives. The best way to do that is to look at and absorb featured and good articles, which have gone through a rather extensive vetting process for things like encyclopedic tone and source analysis. While one does that, I'd suggest checking common maintenance issues that can be found at the community portal, like fixing typos or finding better sources.

I see 331dot has offered to send the content to you off-wiki already. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:41, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Danbrotherston: I suggest that you look at WP:DRV where they may be able to review your deleted article. Otherwise, take it to WP:ANI. No matter how much you talk here, it's likely going nowhere. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 15:58, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Block editing changes

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2001:44C8:4523:1D54:852:17FE:F2CB:644B (talk) 00:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I cannot understand what you are trying to say. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 00:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! If your username has been blocked, please tell us your username. If you're having another issue, please provide more information detailing how we can duplicate your issue. GoingBatty (talk) 01:19, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

From a look at their contributions, it appears that they dabbled in some vandalism and had to face the consequences. Perhaps they were blocked for that? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 17:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Any preventative measures available for autoconfirmed account builders?

I sometimes come across contribution histories where I suspect the user is building an autoconfirmed account to be used solely for later vandalism: add-a-space, remove-the-space edits, exactly ten edits. I realize there is also a requirement for a few days to pass before autoconfirm is autogranted, so I will check in on the editor some time later; but I've seen autoconfirm accounts lay dormant for months, even years, before the vandalism starts. Are there any preventative measures available to block the account before vandalism occurs? _signed, Willondon (talk) 04:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything that can be done about a WP:SLEEPER account until it actually starts being used inappropriately; in other words, inactive accounts aren't going to be blocked in order to prevent them from someday being possibly used for vandalism. Having said that, there may be cases where an administrator determines that such an account should be blocked based on technical or behavioral evidence, and the account may be blocked for that reason (I guess). This, however, seem to be more of an exception than the norm, and the evicence needs to be pretty strong. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:50, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

For accounts which seem to be gaming extended confirmed rights can have that right removed, and people occasionally report such accounts to WP:ANI for administrator review. As I understand it, because autoconfirmed is not actually a usergroup but rather the mediawiki software checks every autoconfirmed-restricted action to see whether the user has reached the required 10 edits/4 days threshhold, that isn't possible for autoconfirmed. Nor do I expect it would be particularly workable. Erroneously blocking goodfaith users on the basis of ten innocuous edits seems like a much worse outcome than a few possible vandal edits possibly years down the line. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:39, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your responses. I realized any approach would have a creepy Minority Report pre-crime feel to it; just thought I'd ask. I have had some success with issuing a "final" warning on the first offense (assuming there are zero good edits), and reporting at AIV on the second offense with a note pointing out the "ACAB" (auto-confirmed account builder) behaviour. Cheers. _signed, Willondon (talk) 12:16, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Comic source repository

Good morning friendly people of Wikipedia! =) As some of you may have had the misfortune of finding out I'm working at cleaning up the comics pages through a mixture of unsettlingly obsessive behaviour, procedural clumsiness and flagrant overuse of the phrase "struck a deal". This has involved a lot of fun research but I'm a selfish person, so this research has largely been put to use on stuff I'm interested in. However, it's also turned up a lot of potential sources for stuff I'm either never going to get around to doing or have no interest in doing myself. I feel a bit bad just not using this information based entirely on my personal tastes, especially when a lot of comics pages have notability and/or referencing issues. Would a user page listing some of these sources, maybe flagged on the appropriate talk pages for anyone who is interested, be a good idea? Or would that be an irritant? BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 10:28, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@BoomboxTestarossa perhaps an appropriate WikiProject might be the best venue for discussing your idea. It's not a topic area I'm familiar with at all so I can't point you to any particular page, but you should find links to relevant Wikiprojects on the talk pages of the articles you are working on. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:46, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@BoomboxTestarossa, Template:Refideas may be something to look at. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Ooooh, new toy! =D thanks! BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 15:40, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@BoomboxTestarossa: in case you haven't found it by yourself in the meantime, we have a Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics. Might be a good starting point. Lectonar (talk) 06:47, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Loral Langemeier page updates

Hello to whom this may concern. I work directly with Loral Langmeier's marketing team and was tasked to update the wiki page Loral Langemeierwith a new photo and more current information. I made the changes on Monday April 17th 2023 which included a better headshot, a bio of her life and some media articles that she has written or been featured in. At some point on Tuesday April 18th 2023 the entirety of my updates were reverted back to the empty page and old picture. There was no information as to why the reversion, no explanation and no mediation? Can someone please reach out and let me know why the page was reverted and what steps need to be taken in order to update the Loral Langemeierpage. Thank you in advance. @Askloral Askloral (talk) 17:31, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Askloral, welcome to the Teahouse. You should start by properly declaring your status as a paid editor - please read WP:PAID for more information and instructions. After that, you should make edit requests on the talk page, Talk:Loral Langemeier. It's best to keep the requests short and simple, and be sure to provide reliable sources to back up the information. You can add your requests to the edit request queue by either tagging them with {{edit request}} or using the WP:Edit Request Wizard to do everything automatically. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Also, @Askloral - are you the photographer who took this photo, which you've uploaded as "own work"? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello thank you for your response and for the question. Yes Loral Langemeier owns the photograph in question, it was taken at a paid agency photoshoot. What do we need to provide from you from Loral Langemeiers company to verify ownership? Askloral (talk) 22:31, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Askloral: I posted information about the photo at User talk:Askloral#File:Loral headshot.jpg and it explains what needs to be done. I also suggest you take a look at User talk:Askloral#Your username as well since you choice of username may also not be in compliance with relevant Wikipedia policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Askloral Take the time to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. You inserted "an American money expert, sought-after speaker, entrepreneurial thought leader and six time Bestselling author." cited to her own book. You can do that on her websites and social media, not here, WP is neither. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Askloral, your changes included drivel like In 2013 she was named Delta Zetas woman of the year and is on a relentless mission to change the conversation about money and empower people around the world to become millionaires. That type of nonsense is a violation of the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Marketing, promotion and advertising are not permitted on Wikipedia. Please comply with the mandatory Paid contributions disclosure immediately. Cullen328 (talk) 18:11, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

See also WP:COPYPASTE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:13, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, an overt Copyright violation. Cullen328 (talk) 18:23, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

The thing to understand, Askloral, is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 21:07, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Hyperlinking to Amazon for her books is wrong. David notMD (talk) 21:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Claim of significance

my article reference has no claim of significance Radhey8 (talk) 20:01, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

(Context for hosts) The user has created an article about themself with no credible claim of significance, and they also have a COI. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 20:02, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I am on the verge of whether it’s significance or notability, I would go towards significance, but I would like some opinions. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 20:05, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

This is about Draft:Krishna Kant Singh Bundela. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Zippybonzo - I'd say "well known" is a pretty unambiguous claim of significance, but the draft as submitted does not even come close to GNG, so I've declined it for now. casualdejekyll 21:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I just added his YouTube links from official accounts as reference uploaded on official channels, and I have many such of his work.Will this work.It was his mistake when asked for interview, He always denied. It's ok I will soon provide such references also. Radhey8 (talk) 03:41, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid that YouTube links will not suffice as sources. Everything cited in the article must be from an independent, reliable sources, and only simple, uncontroversial claims can link to something like your personal YouTube channel or social media page. Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 16:56, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I understand this. But as I read about reliable sources regarding YouTube, if it's from official channel it's reliable. And all the links refered are from official and authentic source.just click the link to see the channel.Every link is geniune and shows the work of artist. I asked the party to produce some articles about him. And soon it would be provided. But I saw YouTube and other video sources in other approved pages of artist. So i cited them. Not sufficient but with suffix.Thanks Radhey8 (talk) 17:02, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

As it stands currently, the links in the draft all point to videos or discussions of things in which you have performed. These are not sufficient, @Radhey8; we need sources that are about you, not links to your performances. Interviews would also not have been sufficient, even if you had given them, because they would not be independent. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:00, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

First I want to clear it's not me ,whose page is this. He said and I informed here.As an artist authenticity is if he is really an artist and performing.Articles that talk about him will also be provided.But I feel for an artist authenticity is he is in market and working.He is in verge of independent sources to be cited soon.The page is a biography which includes all his works.And he has all reliable sources of his work.Only he is lacking is some sources that talk about him independently,that he is an artist...vow that's great. Will be getting to it soon. Radhey8 (talk) 17:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Radhey8, authenticity is not really what Wikipedia is concerned about. The reliable, independent, secondary sources you provide will demonstrate the required authenticity, on the way to demonstrating notability. Concentrate on that. Also, please answer the questions I posted on your talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Got it. Will concentrate in this process Sir. Trying to answer your questions Radhey8 (talk) 17:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Coolness. By the by, I am not a sir. I know it's customary and polite to address strangers that way in some cultures, but you should try avoid it on English Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:34, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

The way u guided, 'Sir' came out of my heart. But professionally will try to avoid such things on English Wikipedia. It's great learning here from all experts like you. Thanks Radhey8 (talk) 17:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Google knowledge graph ID

I know this may somewhat be out of wiki expertise but i hope to get help over here. Ever created an article it was somehow not linked to the target destination google knowledge panel? To clarify that, a musician automatically gets a google knowledge panel after distributing music, so after creating an article of that particular musician the article should/must be attached to that existing panel right? Well i have a situation where few articles i produced didnt quite get attached to the already existing panel but new ones where created, i think if maybe i could add the knowledge graph id to wikidata they will get attached to the already existing knowledge panel where the artist's music is, but i don't know how to generate GOOGLE KNOWLEDGE GRAPH ID and that's why I'm here.shelovesneo (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Shelovesneo: If there is an error in an Google Knowledge Graph, you need to report that to Google. Wikipedia is not involved with that. RudolfRed (talk) 23:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Shelovesneo: A Google Knowledge Graph is made by Google. Wikipedia has no control over it. I don't know their algorithm and I don't know a way to influence Google to link a Wikipedia article in a Knowledge Graph. It's just something they often do. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:17, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps the articles are not yet reviewed or 3 months old? – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 17:02, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Shelovesneo! Wikidata has a property for Google Knowledge Graph ID (P2671). If Google has assigned an ID, you could try adding it on WD. I don't know if the big G pays much attention to Wikidata's knowledge graph, compared to say scraping Wikipedia's infobox and cross-matching those properties. Do you have some examples we could look at? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 09:49, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Question

Hello im ‘Ali Berke Sağır’ I’m professional volleyball player..I have Wikipedia page but not professional can you edit my Wikipedia page and can you put some pictures? Thank you.. 79.106.123.213 (talk) 00:36, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

https://tr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Berke_Sağır This is my Wikipedia page url 79.106.123.213 (talk) 00:37, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, this is a matter on the Turkish Wikipedia, which is not related to the English Wikipedia. Resolve any issues there. I have also added a header on your question. Go to the Turkish Wikipedia Help Desk. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:41, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the teahouse IP editor! As the above reply says, this should be posted on the Turkish Wikipedia. If you want to create a page about yourself here, I suggest that you don't. Someone who has no close ties with you should do that to avoid the article being written like an advertisement or otherwise failing WP:NPOV. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 18:43, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Ali. The easiest way to get a photo on Wikimedia Commons is to take a selfie. If someone else photographs you, they will need to do the upload or provide the right legal consent. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 09:55, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Stalag Luft I

Hello. The following address is for “Stalag Luft I,” which needs an edit I cannot make because I don’t know who is “Greening.” I would contact the page creator if I knew how, but I don’t. I see that someone else also edited the page, but I don’t know what they edited. Would someone please advise the page creator to come up with the full name of persons he/she quotes on the page before using only their last name? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Here’s the web address of the page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stalag_Luft_I&action=info

Quietwriter58 (talk) 03:52, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Quietwriter58 I am not quite sure what you are asking for. There is a list of references at the bottom of the page that coincides with the article. Can you please be a little more specific with direct examples in the article (not on the summary page)? The author Greening is an editor. You can also make edits yourself to an article as that is what Wikipedia is all about. ~~~ ThatFungi (talk) 04:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Quietwriter58, 120 different editors have contributed to that article in the last 15 years. What, exactly, are you asking? Be specific. It is really unclear. Cullen328 (talk) 05:58, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Quietwriter58, both "Greening states" [blah blah], and "according to Greening" [blah blah] link to a reference currently numbered 5 (though the number may change at any time), which in turn clearly cites Not as Briefed, a book by C Ross Greening. (Incidentally I don't know what ThatFungi means by "The author Greening is an editor.") Unfortunately for a would-be editor of the article, this book isn't at the Internet Archive; however, the usual bookselling websites show that plenty of copies are available. The article Stalag Luft I has many problems (unreferenced assertions, assertions for which dubious-sounding sources are cited); perhaps, equipped with reliable sources, you'd consider improving it here and there? -- Hoary (talk) 07:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary My bad. I thought they meant as an editor not an author. ThatFungi (talk) 07:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Also, nobody "owns" articles on Wikipedia. If you think you could improve something, the best way is to do it yourself. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 09:19, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Creating a company page

My company recently launched a new vertical "Economic Times Grandmasters" I need your guidance to create the wiki page for this Neerajjoshioffpage (talk) 05:47, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Neerajjoshioffpage. Please immediately comply with the mandatory Paid contribution disclosure and follow the guideline about editing with a conflict of interest. Wikipedia does not have "company pages". Instead, we have neutrally written encyclopedia articles about notable companies. How does your company meet that standard? Cullen328 (talk) 05:53, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

UPDATE: The editor has been blocked for using more than one account, not declaring paid, and Draft:ET Grandmasters has been Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 13:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Minecraft Legends Staff's Pages

Hey, just asking if anyone changed the pages of the voice actors and developers of Minecraft Legends so their career page says that they worked on the game. Thanks Irindu10 (talk) 09:03, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Irindu10. Your question is better asked at the relevant article's talk pages. If, having checked and confirmed that any content is wrong or out-of-date, you can supply Reliable Sources to let other editors make any necessary changes if you don't feel able to do so yourself. There is also a more formal way of getting changes made - see WP:EDITREQUEST. But either way will need proper sourcing to justify alterations. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

A new article is ready to be published

Hi,

I'm glad that my first article (ESPNcricinfo Awards) has published smoothly. Thanks to everyone who were part of this Draft/Article.

Now, I'm looking for this article(ESPN World Fame 100) to make it published, I have provided sufficient independent sources. and, Inserted the best refferences as comment. But, I have a little doubt. Will it get published since, ESPN World Fame 100 list has been discontinued.?

Thanks. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 09:35, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Perfectodefecto Notability doesn't depend on whether something is currently active and still being published, but on whether independent sources have written in detail and in depth about it. Your draft is in review, so will be dealt with in due course. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:10, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Perfectodefecto Both ESPNcricinfo Awards and World Fame 100 are definitely good enough to go to mainspace. Why do you create drafts for them when you could just publish the page to mainspace. A draft is only good if you want many editors working on your article to get it good enough to mainspace or to create article without being autoconfirmed. PalauanReich (talk) 11:47, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

A draft is also good if you want to take your time in peace in peace and quiet to get something ready for mainspace. There is no particular advantage with starting in mainspace directly, moving is easy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:04, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

My opinion differs from PalauanReich. Given that you are relatively new to this - have had two drafts accepted and two declined - I see no reason yet to skip AfC and go directly to mainspace. David notMD (talk) 17:58, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Jodi Arias case summary

Any thoughts on the summary of the Jodi Arias case at :

https://worldpeacethroughworldwidedisarmament.blogspot.com/2022/11/113-22-reasonable-doubt-thread.html?fbclid=IwAR3jDY-fUhVQ7weU74Yf5um3rB_X9VFh8kdvYe6WgT43Vva0mrRulZqXJ08 Jodiariasproject (talk) 12:26, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey, @Jodiariasproject -- WP is only interested in what WP:reliable sources say. We don't source to blogs. Valereee (talk) 12:50, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

so how would the discussion on the blog fit into wikipedia or is discussion another website within wikipedia ? Jodiariasproject (talk) 16:56, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Jodiariasproject, I'm afraid it would not fit into Wikipedia anywhere. That is not the purpose of this site. Wikipedia is focused on summarizing what is said in reliable sources about notable subjects. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Noteable people in articles on cities

Hi, you all... does one name a person also, if she is not born in the special city, but is the director of a museum there? I'm not quite sure about how to handle this. Naomi Hennig (talk) 13:12, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Naomi Hennig no. 'Notable people' generally refers to people that were from that city. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this quick answer!!! Wonderful! --Naomi Hennig (talk) 13:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

@Naomi Hennig & @Sungodtemple: Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure#Notable people states "Names of notable people born or residing in the locality (not ancestry). Include only people with a Wikipedia article, see also WP:NLIST." Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree that working in a town or city does not qualify that person as a notable person in that place. David notMD (talk) 13:27, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Perfect! :-). Thanks! --Naomi Hennig (talk) 13:29, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Question for the Teahouse

Alegría cortes 85.62.34.127 (talk) 18:06, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? About Alegría (Mexican candy)? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:09, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

how create interlink

Hi everyone. I created a page in another language than English and I had like to connect it with the English one. Could anyone tell me how to do ?. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghkkj (talk • contribs) 22:07, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ghkkj, and welcome to the Teahouse. That is done through Wikidata. Please see WP:ILL. ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for reply. I'm actually stuck in the first step : Scroll down to the box marked "Wikipedia" and click on "edit" at the top of that box.. In Wikidata, I don't see any "edits" link in Wikipédia section of any wikidata's pages. Check it out by yourself, no "edit" appears. Please, I really need help, I've been looking for a solution for hours. Ghkkj (talk) 23:09, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I finally succedd to process, I found the link (the link is definetely no available in the computer version, had to do it on mobile to finally find this link). However there is still a problem for my case : when I try to create the interlink, this message appears : This page has been protected to prevent editing or other actions.. And its the same for every Wikidata's pages. Are Wikipédia users able to add interlink ?. Ghkkj (talk) 23:16, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

You should be able to log in to wikidata with the same credentials that you use for Wikipedia. -- asilvering (talk) 00:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Ghkkj, having created an article in a language other than English, (A) do you want to show its readers that there's also an article in English on the same subject? Or, (B) does this article mention some place/event/thing/illness/gene/organization/person etc about which there is no article in that language but there is an article in English, to which you want to point readers? If it's (A), then what's the Wikidata item ("Q" and then a number), and what's the language and title of your new article? -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

hello yes I want to show readers there is the same article wich exist in another language. The article concerned is Vesoul, a french town, and I created couples of article in foreign languages, please could you help me how to process, the Wikidata page says This page has been protected to prevent editing or other actions., but it says the same for any other Wikidatas pages, I'm stuck. The number is Q203309 and I created pages in different languages (interlingua, corsu etc) Ghkkj (talk) 00:02, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you have to edit Q203309. Ghkkj, you appear never to have made any edits to Wikidata; see its explanation of "User access levels" about what you can and can't do there. If you were asking about the addition of a link to a new article in French or English, I'd volunteer to do it for you, but I'm not volunteering to add links to articles in languages that I don't understand, and thereby take responsibility for their accuracy. (Frankly, your range of languages alarms me.) So I suggest that you work your way up to a slightly higher access level in Wikidata, and then do the work yourself. This should only take a few days; there's no rush. -- Hoary (talk) 00:22, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Ghkkj, this is all looking increasingly screwy. Above, you say "different languages (interlingua, corsu etc)". But guc.toolforge.org has nothing about either of those two. Instead, it lists crh (Crimean Tatar Wikipedia), sco (Scots), sc (Sardinian), sq (Albanian), and vep (Veps). I'd never heard of Veps, which Wikipedia helpfully tells us is "a Finnic language from the Uralic language family". Crimean Tatar is Turkic. Your linguistic prowess is incredible, and I mean this literally. -- Hoary (talk) 00:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC) typo fixed Hoary (talk) 01:20, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Guc.toolforge.org does however show articles (mostly sub-stubs) on Vesoul in Interlingua, Corsican, and, I think, twenty-two other languages contributed to (and, mostly, created) by a single IP number (also, the creation of fr:Hôtel de Salives). -- Hoary (talk) 03:33, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Ghkkj If you do know those languages, it is incredible, considering how unrelated they can be. I do have a doubt about you using translation, but I haven't seen a website for auto-translating Veps. Anyways, yes, you have to edit Q203309 on Wikidata. It appears to be in a wide range of languages, it would be helpful if you told us what languages you created the page in. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 19:16, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Citations in other languages?

Hi! Should citations be exclusively in the language of the page? I have some sources in a foreign language that would be relevant in a page in English Jeansidharta (talk) 01:18, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Jeansidharta, if a source in a language other than English is reliable, and if there's no alternative in English that's just as good, you are very welcome to cite that source to support what's said in an English-language Wikipedia article. For the relevant policies of a Wikipedia of another language, you'll have to look (or ask) there, not here. -- Hoary (talk) 01:23, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Jeansidharta welcome to Teahouse! See WP:FOREIGNSOURCES for further guidance. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:07, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Autobio

Hello all,

I would like to have an Wikipedia article about my music carrier so people that enjoy my work and new listeners coud know more about me. Anyone knows how can I do this and what I shoud do to be approved? NOXIN (talk) 01:42, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Simply, NOXIN, you can't. That's not what Wikipedia is for. Simply create your own website about yourself. You can write whatever you want there, and people who google your name will read what you choose to say. -- Hoary (talk) 01:55, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

NOXIN you may want to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If an article about you is published in Wikipedia that article won't belong to you, you won't be able to edit it after it is published, and anyone who finds a reliable reference can add information to the article, even if it is something you would prefer not to have known about yourself. I suggest you take Hoary's excellent advice and start your own website. That way you will have control over the content of your own site. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Your attempt at User:NOXINPT/sandbox has been declined three times. With no references of what people not connected to you have written about you, there is no potential for this becoming an article. The criteria for musicians is at Wikipedia:Notability (music).

The form of WP:HOUND

I usually find new articles and topics to make contributions by following some editors I know from articles I previously involved in, no matter if we had collaboration or disagreement before. Mostly, my edits on these articles have no business with the editor followed by me. Beyond My Ken and I have a disagreement on Talk:Moro Rebellion. He thought that as a harassment and charged me of WP:HOUND on User talk:Drmies#Wikihounding. Johnuniq warned me that I shouldn't edit or comment at an article where I have not previously been active and where my opponent has been active. He thought that as a form of WP:HOUND and let me come here to ask for impartial advice about how to handle a situation like this. Please share your advice. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 06:26, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm hoping for opinions on my comments at User talk:NmWTfs85lXusaybq#Warning. Johnuniq (talk) 06:41, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

NmWTfs85lXusaybq, I am an administrator and I recommend that you follow the excellent advice that Johnuniq gave you on your talk page. Stop following Beyond My Ken around, or you will be blocked. I hope that's clear. Cullen328 (talk) 07:13, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Combining Admin comments on your Talk page and here, the total is three Admins clearly stating that what you have been doing is hounding, and to stop or be blocked. David notMD (talk) 12:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

How to remove a map from a page after I deleted the coordinates

Hello, recently on the Jordan Desalination Plant page I deleted a set of coordinates due to me not being able to find any sources to back them up and after checking satellite images and going there in real life (can provide images if needed). Ever since then a big glaring error has appeared on the map (Luna I think?). I've been trying to remove the map entirely from the column, but I have been unable to without deleting the whole info column. Any help would be greatly helpful. Ty Chacabangaso (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Chacabangaso: I removed "Jordan" from the |location_map= field in the infobox, because that field works only if there is a {{coord}} template in the |coordinates= field. That got rid of the error message. As for the interactive map in the infobox, that depends on the coordinates in the Wikidata item for the plant. To remove that map, one needs to remove the coordinates from the Wikidata item. (The article says that it's a planned plant, so it's not surprising that there's nothing to see there now, and I don't know whether the coordinates were correct or not.) Deor (talk) 12:28, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Deor that is one way, but I found another solution. The presence/absence of data shouldn't always impact the visual layout/usage on a Wikipedia. Updating wikidata can have negative consequence on other clients/wikipedias, so only edit wikidata when the information is absolutely incorrect. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah I see, seems to be solved now but will definitely look out for the future. Coords in case needed: 29°27'19.0"N 34°58'22.0"E Chacabangaso (talk) 12:33, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Chacabangaso welcome to Teahouse! I was not familiar with {{Infobox desalination plant}} so I visited the template page and found documentation that said to set mapframe=no which solved it. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:31, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Alright! Tysm Chacabangaso (talk) 12:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

wikidata item

Hello, I found that a English wiki page consisted a page already in other language wikipedia and it was not linked together, instead the other language wiki page consisted of a separate wikidata item. I removed the page from that wikidata item and linked the page to the english wikidata item. Now the wikidata is empty. What am I supposed to do now? just don't bother about it or what is my next course of action that I am supposed to do? 456legend(talk) 12:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@456legend welcome to Teahouse! See wikidata:Help:Merge for merging Wikidata items. This is helpful if both items have a lot of useful properties/content. Happy merging! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:27, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the inputs!! 456legend(talk) 12:56, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft Rejected: BaagadBillaa

There is a draft Page of Gujarati Movie Called "BaagadBillaa". So we made edits on that page and submitted for a review however it was declined and Comment written by Modater was "It is not necessary to add citation in every word" so as a result we've made amends on the page. Can anyone see that it's good to go now? Below is the link of draft;

Draft:BaagadBillaa PragneshUpala (talk) 12:19, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@PragneshUpala welcome to Help Desk, who is we? Your draft has been submitted for review, and will be reviewed when someone gets to it. WP:NORUSH. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:25, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

This is the Teahouse, not the help desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:07, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@PragneshUpala If you (or a group of people) are being paid to do this, I suggest you read WP:PAID and follow the steps there. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 15:47, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Editing own article

FYI

 – Sections split. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:10, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello experienced editors,

I am reaching out for your guidance and assistance regarding a situation I am facing while trying to update the article about myself, Peter Levashov. I have disclosed my conflict of interest on the talk page and have been careful to only add well-sourced and accurate information to the article.

However, a politically engaged editor, @HouseOfChange, has been reverting all my edits, despite my efforts to follow Wikipedia guidelines and work collaboratively. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could review the situation and provide guidance on how to proceed or offer a neutral perspective on the edits I have made.

Here is the link to the diff of the reverted changes: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Levashov&diff=prev&oldid=1151099906

Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to receiving your valuable insights and advice.

Best regardsLevashov.peter (talk) 12:29, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Levashov.peter I think it's best if you refrain from editing your own Wikipedia page, as it may seem to others that you're promoting your point of view since the article is about well, yourself. It's a biography of a living person, so the article should not be edited by the person the article is about. Dancing Dollar ^{(let's talk)} 13:34, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello DancingDollar,

Thank you for your guidance on the proper way to suggest changes to my Wikipedia article. I have followed your advice and submitted several edit requests in the "Talk" section of my page, ensuring that they are based on reliable, unconnected sources and maintain neutrality.

I kindly ask you to review these suggestions and consider implementing them in the article. Your attention and assistance in maintaining the integrity of the content are greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Levashov.peter (talk) 22:23, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Levashov.peter, and welcome to the Teahouse. Dancing Dollar rightly told you what you should not do, but didn't tell you what you may do: please use the edit request mechanism to suggest changes to Wikipedia's article about you. Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 14:07, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine,

Thank you for your guidance on the proper way to suggest changes to my Wikipedia article. I have followed your advice and submitted several edit requests in the "Talk" section of my page, ensuring that they are based on reliable, unconnected sources and maintain neutrality.

I kindly ask you to review these suggestions and consider implementing them in the article. Your attention and assistance in maintaining the integrity of the content are greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Levashov.peter (talk) 22:22, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Levashov.peter See WP:ASFAQ for a much more complete guidance for the subjects of Wikipedia articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:31, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mike Turnbull,

Thank you for your guidance on the proper way to suggest changes to my Wikipedia article. I have followed your advice and submitted several edit requests in the "Talk" section of my page, ensuring that they are based on reliable, unconnected sources and maintain neutrality.

I kindly ask you to review these suggestions and consider implementing them in the article. Your attention and assistance in maintaining the integrity of the content are greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Levashov.peter (talk) 22:22, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Searching for talk page links to an essay page that excludes links to it from a template's transclusion

I want to search article talk and project talk pages for intentional linked mentions in conversation threads of a particular policy-related explanatory essay (including mentions using linked shortcuts to the essay), but the vast majority of the pages that come up in "what links here" are to talk pages that transclude a template that links the essay, rather than specific conversational mentions of it. Is there any way to exclude talk pages that merely link to the essay because of the template's inclusion? (Is there maybe some search function to utilize, rather than what links here.)--2603:7000:8841:7600:2040:290A:9759:31D6 (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

You can use User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js if you have an account. Without an account you can preview {{Source links}} with the page name, e.g. at Wikipedia:Sandbox. Neither finds shortcuts and other redirects unless you search them one at a time with their name. We can help more if you give the name of the page of interest. It's always best to be specific. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:21, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

That's very helpful. Worked like a charm and exactly what I was seeking. Thank you!--2603:7000:8841:7600:2040:290A:9759:31D6 (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Ed Farmer's cause of death

Hello. There is an error in the bio for Ed Farmer, former major league pitcher and MLB broadcaster. While he did indeed suffer from kidney disease during his life and would have died decades earlier without a lifesaving kidney transplant, Ed Farmer's cause of death (per his sister) was Idiopathic Cardiomyopathy (heart disease). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Farmer 172.8.246.199 (talk) 14:00, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and wecome to the teahouse. The place to suggest improvements to a Wikipedia article is on the article's talk page, here Talk:Ed Farmer. However "per his sister" is not an acceptable source for Wikipedia.

I find that the source cited for his death does not say that he died of kidney disease (though it talks about his advocacy work for kidney disease, so it is an understandable assumption) and I have therefore removed the cause of death from the article. If you have a reliable published source for idiopathic cardiomyopathy, please cite it on the talk page. ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Isn't that too strict though? I think it should be fine if it is phrased like "Farmer's sister said that the cause of his death is Idiopathic Cardiomyopathy". I doubt a news organization would do more research than just an interview with Farmer's family members. Carpimaps (talk) 14:33, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree this sort of thing can be frustrating, but all information in Wikipedia should be verifiable, which means available in a reliable published source. However, that sort of diagnosis is not particularly remarkable, so it doesn't really add anything useful to the article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:55, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. Again, per his sister is not a reliable source, however if there is a reliable source stating it, then it's okay to put it in. See WP:RSPSS for a list of common sources and if they are notable or not. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 15:51, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

A news organisation may indeed do no more than an interview with the family; but a reader next week in Birmingham or next month in Boston or next year in Brisbane can find the story and check that it least it was published, and also see what organ published it and make their own evaluation of the likely reliability.

An anonymous (or even named) editor on Wikipedia saying "his sister said so" is not something that anybody can verify. ColinFine (talk) 16:09, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Native English speaker needed!

Can you guys please check the lead of this article for grammar issues? Persepolis F.C. can use your help! Thanks. Mikeimi (talk) 17:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mikeimi. I have lived in Michigan and California my entire life. The grammar seems fine to me. In my opinion, the comma in the first sentence is not necessary. Cullen328 (talk) 17:51, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Not grammar: I see no benefit from "Persepolis also had three teams in bowling, basketball and volleyball in its first years of establishment.[9]", especially as there is no additional information in the body of the article. David notMD (talk) 18:16, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Interlink

Hi everyone, I posted a message yesterday about a problem on Wikidata, but no one have been able to help me. I try to add contents on this page on Wikidata but this page seems lock, I can't modify nothing, but I can add contents on other wikidata pages, what I don't understand. Can anyone help me please ? I feel like no one can understand my problem> Ghkkj (talk) 18:14, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, which languages did you put it in? Also, the first question is still active so I see no need in putting another one. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 19:18, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, in many languages. Actually I have just understood that the problem is the wiki data pages that I want to modify are reserved for autoconfirmed users. I saw that users are considered as autoconfirms when they have over 50 modifications / 4 days old account and I have both of it but I still can't add any contents, this is why I don't understand. Ghkkj (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:29, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe I could try to do it for you later, what are the names of the languages you added the page in? Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 19:34, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Is there some kind of special effort going on for Vesoul? I see twelve different accounts adding interwiki links over just three days. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q203309&action=history ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 10:27, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

How can I upgrade a pages rating from Stub?

I have recently being working on improving this page as the previous version was poorly written, cited no sources, and had remained unchanged for nearly 7 years. I believe that I have now added enough information and sources, (practically any useful source I could find,) for the article to no longer be classified as a stub, but I do not know how I can nominate it for an upgrade. Does anyone know how I can do this or do this for me? I also removed the 'cite more sources' banner as I completely rewrote the article with lots of citations, references and sources, but could some please tell me if I was right to do so?

Cheers WikiHmmmm... (talk) 18:17, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello @WikiHmmmm..., and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you ask around at WP:LIECHT and they may be able to change the rating. You can go ahead and remove the stub thingy at the bottom of the page (which I see, you have).

The talk page seems dead considering it is a rarely visited article, so I don't see any purpose in putting anything there for now. Also see WP:WPFA. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 19:10, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

And you definitely did the right thing by improving it, by the way. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 19:10, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, but I believe the Lichtenstein Project is well and truly dead. I'm not really sure how I put in a request for someone from the Football Assesment department to assess my work, so would you mind assessing it for me? WikiHmmmm... (talk) 19:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found it! WikiHmmmm... (talk) 19:16, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Vamsi20, it looks like no one has asked to have a project assessed in over 6 months. Should I still proceed? WikiHmmmm... (talk) 19:19, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

WikiHmmmm..., you do not need anybody's permission to upgrade what is clearly no longer a stub. Go to the article talk page and edit the Wikicode at the top, changing stub (which occurs twice) to start, C or B. Good work expanding the article. Cullen328 (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, what level do you think it deserves? WikiHmmmm... (talk) 19:28, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I feel it's a C, isn't that well-written for a B, but again the topic doesn't really have much around it. I think the article could use some more expansion and splitting into sections, and the lead area doesn't have that good of writing. See WP:MOS for the style guidelines and you can get it to a B soon. (LIECHT is dead basically so you're on your own in improving it) Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 19:33, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

After reviewing the page a bit more, I think the lead should be formatted like this: "The 1934 Liechtenstein Football Championship was the...". And you should write a new lead section (see MOS:LEDE) instead of jumping into the backstory at the beginning. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 19:42, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, baring in mind there is only me trying to improve these articles, and my time is limited, I may just work towards a C for all articles WikiHmmmm... (talk) 20:12, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try to improve the article when I have time later because there's a number of flaws I could find. And yeah, there's basically no interest in improving these old low-quality articles, especially about obscure topics, so you'll be on your own for a while. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 20:21, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for showing interest by the way, I honestly thought no one else would care about my mini project. Let me know if you would perhaps like to start a 'wikiprojec microstate football' to focus on making stub articles relating to football from microstates at least C's across the board? WikiHmmmm... (talk) 20:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Honestly I don’t really know much about football into the technical stuff, I just like helping improve really neglected and low-quality articles. I haven’t done copy editing in a while but I’m planning to start doing that again considering there’s a bunch of new low-quality articles. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 21:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

It seems LIECHT is inactive actually, you can try at WP:MICROSTATE but the only things on the discussion page are requested moves and such since over 3 years. You maybe able to find someone at WP:FOOTBALL though. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 19:23, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Isn't the stub rating meant to be decided by the WikiProject or the WPFA? If not, there should be a criteria so just follow that and you should be good. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 19:24, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey, I checked the sources and two appear to be to Wikipedia itself (one to this Wikipedia, and the other to the German one). Wikipedia is not a reliable source and is not supposed to be cited, I suggest you find other sources. Also see WP:RSPSS for a list. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 20:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed the Wikipedia citations for you and replaced them with a citation needed template. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 20:20, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I find new reliable sources (thanks to the folks in the German wiki who I kindly stole the source links from) WikiHmmmm... (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

found* WikiHmmmm... (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Heh…this reminds me of when I found sources from the German wiki on Anton Schaaf…heh I need to recheck those sources Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 21:54, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Sambucus nigra (black elderberry)

The article states that there is no scientific evidence for the medicinal uses of elderberry. That is incorrect. If one looks at https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30670267/, there are at least a half dozen studies, included a meta-analysis, on the efficacy of Sambucus nigra in reducing symptoms of respiratory viruses, including colds and influenza A and B. Emilie McVey (talk) 20:13, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

the Wikipedia article in question is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambucus_nigra Emilie McVey (talk) 20:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Emilie McVey and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you WP:Be bold and do it yourself or do it at Talk:Sambucus nigra. Plus your source might need some double-checking by WP:MEDRS. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 20:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm a newby + tech challenged. How would I move my initial post to the correct location? Or correct the Sambucus nigra post myself? Thank you. Emilie McVey (talk) 20:40, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I am also a newby to Wikipedia, so I am unfortunately not in the correct place to help your with this as I am learning myself. However the basics are:

-Only edit if you have a lot of perseverance, especially on niche topics (finding sources is hard)

-Cite all useful sources you find

-Do not cite wikipedia, but you can link to it for further reading

-Try and keep all your edits in the grammatical tongue of the original writer WikiHmmmm... (talk) 20:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I second what WikiHmmmm says. The Wikipedia Library helps a lot in finding sources, however you need to have 500 edits and have to be on Wikipedia for 30 days to access it. You should just post this exact post in the talk page I linked above (Talk:...). You can do an edit request (see WP:EDITREQUEST) and an experienced editor will check your edit and do it for you if the edit is good. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 20:54, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Also, your account has to be at least 6 month old in addition to having 500 edits. Carpimaps (talk) 06:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I thought the extended confirmed permission (500/30) was the one for the library Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 17:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi mate, I'm new here, but you should post this on the related discussion page not here :) WikiHmmmm... (talk) 20:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Indeed Talk:Sambucus nigra is the place to discuss this, Emmie McVey. Make sure you are familiar with WP:MEDRS. (I'm not suggesting that there is anything wrong with your sources, but just drawing your attention to the fact that there is a higher standard for citing medical information). ColinFine (talk) 20:34, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Emilie McVey Oddly, despite claiming to be a meta-analysis, doi:10.1016/j.ctim.2018.12.004 just says (in its abstract) it was a study of 180 individuals. The institution, the Franklin Institute of Wellness has no article here on Wikipedia. Both of these facts are a bit of a red flag for compliance with WP:MEDRS. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Not quite - Hawkins (2019) is a meta-analysis of studies that have a total of 180 subjects. Do note that just below that abstract there is a link to a 2021 systematic analysis by Wieland et al which concluded no proven benefits. In my opinion, both would qualify as MEDRS. If you intend to revise the medical claims section of the Sambucus Nigra article I recommend you describe and cite both articles. I will leave a note on your Talk page about how to format references. David notMD (talk) 02:57, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Is wikipedia hiring article authors

If so how much do they get paid and where can i become a author of the wiki article and also can you become wiki author at 14 years old with i have authored 2 english japanese books and i am 14 years old Onlygoodvibez (talk) 20:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Depends if you want to work for free XD

In short, Wikipedia editing is voluntary, however a big coorperation may hire you to right an article for them, (much to the disgust of many wikipedians,) however they are unlikely to do so to an average 14 year old. However if you put in your CV of being able to speak both Japanese and English to enough companies, one might take you up on making an article in English and Japanese for them :) WikiHmmmm... (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Onlygoodvibez, I suggest you see WP:GFYE. And I suggest you do the Wikipedia: The Wikipedia Adventure to get familiar with Wikipedia. Also, making a page about yourself isn't a good idea, if that's what you're trying to do. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 20:51, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Not good advice from WikiHmmmm... There are companies that offer to create or improve Wikipedia articles. Many are outright scams, or not competent. In addition, anyone doing Paid work has to declare that on their User page (see WP:PAID), and while allowed, tend to be given a hard time getting work approved. Separate from the paid question, while there is no age limit, new editors are advised to put in months on attempts to improve existing articles before trying to create a new article. David notMD (talk) 03:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Anyone can become an author of a Wikipedia article! It's "the encyclopedia anyone can edit", and that really does mean anyone. Have a look at WP:FIRST. -- asilvering (talk) 17:10, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

How should an external link be formatted?

I saw this external link:

• 10 Years at fthismovie.net

It was dead, so I wanted to provide an archive-url, like I would with a citation. However, using {{cite web}} produces:

• Bromley, Patrick (2012-12-17). "Review: 10 Years". F This Movie!. Archived from the original on 2016-03-15.

Is this an acceptable format for an external link? If not, should I simply change the external link's URL to the archived version? Jlwoodwa (talk) 21:28, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jlwoodwa, this seems like an acceptable format for me. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 21:31, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Good afternoon Jlwoodwa, when you say an "external link" do you mean within an "External links" section? If so, your solution looks good; some articles format all of the external links and further reading with cite templates.

You can also use {{Webarchive}} for dead links at the end of an article. This is how the Internet Archive Bot (IABot) handles those by default ( https://iabot.toolforge.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle). Let me know if you have more questions, Rjjiii (talk) 22:36, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

two images together with caption

Is there a way to have two images share a caption but still be two separate images or not. I was thinking of adding this image and this image to show the camouflage of the brown anole but wanted them to have the caption and be together. Thanks, PalauanReich (talk) 00:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi PalauanReich. See Template:Multiple image. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks PalauanReich (talk) 01:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Submitted an article for review, was declined and page reverted back to old version

I finished and submitted an article which was declined. The article seems to be deleted now and all I can find is the stub I made a month ago. I would really like to not lose all my work. What happened? Brendansoloughlin (talk) 01:34, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

You have had at least four species articles accepted and another Draft:Dembeni (Archaeological Site) is a draft. What you are asking about? David notMD (talk) 03:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Brendansoloughlin and David notMD: There appear to be two distinct drafts about this - Draft:Dembeni (Archaeological Site), which was already linked above (and is a stub), and Draft:Dembeni (archeological site) (with a small a) which is more substantial. Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:24, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Nice catch. David notMD (talk) 09:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

How do I disable the New User Landing page?

Not sure if this is the place to ask this, but I don't know where else would be.

I don't care for the New User Landing page. I can't see the deletion history of the page, and I prefer seeing the list of similar articles from the normal no-article-at-this-title page.

How do I disable the New User Landing? Fgsfds mah boi (talk) 04:33, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Fgsfds mah boi: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're talking about the homepage for new editors, you can disable it at Preferences → User profile → Display newcomer homepage. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:32, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Tenryuu I think "Fgsfds mah boi" meant WP:New user landing page, not the homepage. Carpimaps (talk) 09:55, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Interesting. How are you getting to this page, Fgsfds mah boi? I typed in a nonsense search term in the search bar and got a list of similiarly named articles as well as a red link to the nonexistent page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I suspect it only shows up for people who aren't autoconfirmed. -- asilvering (talk) 17:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I want to create a Wikipedia Bio Page

I have created this draft Draft:Ishika Chaudhary

Is it good ?

Why can't I remove the "Draft" word from the heading? Thortiger (talk) 05:44, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Thortiger Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New accounts cannot directly create articles; you need to submit it for a review, I will shortly add the appropriate information to permit you to do so. 331dot (talk) 06:29, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Looks like a bot beat me to it. You just need to click the "submit your draft for review" button on the screen. If you create a draft via Articles for Creation this information is provided. 331dot (talk) 06:31, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Thortiger, yes you do need to submit it. As it is an articles for creation page, and thus a draft and not a real article, it will go through a review process which may take months. After that, if your article is good enough, th draft tag will be removed and your article will be put in the mainspace. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 17:01, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

What should I do when two reliable sources disagree on a fact?

I am working on expanding Richard M. Ketchum, but I came across a name that two reliable source disagree on. Time (magazine) says that the Ketchum co-founded Country Journal with a person named William S. Blair. However, The Palm Beach Post says that the co-founder of Country Journal is Clay Blair. What should I do in this situation? Carpimaps (talk) 06:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps NYT says its William Blair here, so I'd go with him. You can also just add a note saying it could've been Clay Blair PalauanReich^🗣️ 06:34, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Looking back at it now, I see how The Palm Beach Post may have messed up this fact. Clay Blair and Richard Ketchum are both a author with an interest in American history. The writer of the newspaper may have just assumed that the Blair in Blair & Ketchum’s Country Journal refered Clay Blair since they share so many similarities. I would definitely be more careful using The Palm Beach Post as a source from now. Carpimaps (talk) 14:00, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Carpimaps (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If reliable sources disagree, and it seems to be in roughly equal proportion(half the sources say one thing and the other half say the opposite), you note the disagreement in the article. If most sources say one thing but only one or a few say another, then it gets harder(as it might involve fringe theories). 331dot (talk) 06:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Tea House

What is the most popular tea house in the world? 111.94.112.42 (talk) 08:32, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I'd assume English as it is the biggest Wikipedia but idk for sure Chacabangaso (talk) 10:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Is the draft page okay ?

Hi,

Is the draft page Draft:Ishika Chaudhary fullfills all the criteria to be published? Also it says it may take 4 months or more to get it approved, I need it to get approved urgently.What do I need to do ? Thortiger (talk) 08:38, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Why do you need to get it approved urgently? Please note there is no deadline and press releases and profiles are not reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 09:00, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Thortiger The review system is not a queue. Reviewers select what they want to review next. So, could be days, weeks, or sadly, months, before a review. Work on improving the draft. Right now, the references are in clusters, so no way to determine which references support the several factual statements before each cluster. Per, Theroadislong, better refs are needed. David notMD (talk) 09:17, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Thortiger, and welcome to the Teahouse. Frankly, if you need to get this draft approved urgently, then your purpose in creating is probably inconsistent with Wikipedia's purposes. Please see What Wikipedia is not and There is no deadline. ColinFine (talk) 14:45, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

As ColinFine has said, there is no real reason for it to get approved urgently. Also, it seems that you posted this 3 hours after the previous one, if you're getting paid to do this see WP:PAID first. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 17:14, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

By previous one, I mean the question this editor has put about the same topic 3 hours before posting this one. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 17:14, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey sorry for asking the question again as I am new to the Wikipedia and getting used to the systems, so sorry for that.

I wanted my first article to get published on Wikipedia and thats why the excitement was there,I am not paid by anyone to post this article.The Bio is about an Indian National Hockey player and I felt that it should have a wikipedia page, thats it.

I just wanted to add to the Wikipedia database to make a better internet and see my work get puiblished there.No issues take your time, I am fine with it. 103.220.208.123 (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

How to ensure the captions stay under the image

Hi all! Recently I made the article Kamal Al-Shair and next to the awards sections I want a picture of the Abdoun Bridge. I did what I am meant to do inserting the picture with captions and all but all that is under the bridge is its file name and there is this weird mismatch of symbols under the Awards section. All help is appreciated. Ty Chacabangaso (talk) 10:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! What would you like the caption to be? I can change it for you. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Can you please make it "Kamal Al-Shair Bridge, also known as Abdoun Bridge" ty Chacabangaso (talk) 12:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:30, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

How to connect a Wiki article to a different language

Hi guys, so Kamal Al-Shair has an Arabic wikipedia variant but it wont connect to it. Any help? Chacabangaso (talk) 11:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse! I don’t understand what you mean by “connect to it”. If you wish to translate something, you can use the WP:Content translation tool. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:03, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I mean I want the language options to be available is there a way to do it without it being directly translated (which it mostly is) Chacabangaso (talk) 12:24, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Chacabangaso, can you tell us what the title is in the Arabic wikipedia, or link to it? Transliteration makes this difficult for us. If we can see that one, we can see if it has a wikidata item. Valereee (talk) 13:02, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Ofc كمال الشاعر 176.29.141.63 (talk) 13:03, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Wikidata item is here. Valereee (talk) 13:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Looks like it's connected now. Valereee (talk) 13:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, by using the "edit links" option under the left-hand menu "languages". - David Biddulph (talk) 13:12, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh, good to know! So before I edited the wikidata item, that already appeared there, or did it appear there because I'd added the enwiki article at wikidata? Valereee (talk) 13:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Valeree. David Biddulph added the en link in the same minute that you added the en description. (You can look at the history of a Wikidata item just like a Wikipedia article). ColinFine (talk) 14:47, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! Valereee (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

When i edit a wikipedia page and add little information about that page , one of the wikipedia editor always deletes that ?

Hello , Iam new and from last week . Iam adding a little information in the wikipedia article but one of the wikipedia editor always removes it , even though i have written references . Please help . And how to handle it and what are the rules please answer it clearly . Bibekdhunganofficial (talk) 11:27, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Bibekdhunganofficial and Welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, the Teahouse isn’t the place for dispute resolution. I urge you to talk to the editor(s) that reverted your edits and ask them why they were reverted (unless they gave an edit summary). If you cannot figure this out yourselves, you may want to try WP:DR or WP:3O - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I see you have never posted on an edtior's talk page, or the talk page of the article. That's the first place you should ask this question. If you're confused by the response, and the other editor can't or won't explain in a way you understand, you can come back here to see if anyone here can help. I wouldn't try WP:DR or WP:3O until you understand the problem. -- asilvering (talk) 17:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Bibekdhunganofficial and welcome to the Teahouse. After looking through your edits, it seems your edits on the ACC Premier page have been reverted as promtional. See WP:3RR, breaking it may lead to your being blocked. And also, it's ok if you don't know all the rules, I don't think there's a single person who know all the policies on this wiki. And English doesn't seem to be your native language, if you're planning on adding lots of text, it's better if you contribute to Wikipedia in your native language (otherwise your edits may be incomprehensible). Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 17:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Will a company's site that developed its invention (which is gonna be written about) count as a reliable source?

Hello, I'm going to write an article about a CDN developed by Netflix so Netflix is the only source of information. Is it possible that my article going to be published here on Wikipedia? Will it count as a reliable source? If not, what should I do? Aidakabdusheva-kaba07 (talk) 13:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

(1) No. (2) No. And (3) nothing. Please read Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything which explains what Wikipedia is. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:48, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

In its current state, no. It needs to be written about in reliable secondary sources, not primary ones (which is what Netflix writing about its own CDN would be). If the CDN will be written about in reliable sources like you said, the best course of action is to wait until that has happened. ReneeWrites (talk) 18:18, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Can I assess my own work?

I recently improved an article from stub status. In my view, it's a B-class article now. I could find no rule to explicitly prevent me from assessing the article myself, but wouldn't it be considered unsporting or something? 〜 Festucalex • talk 14:21, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Festucalex go right ahead! Each WikiProject had its own classification rules, eg WP:MILHIST is elaborate, but most let anyone rate for Stub through B class articles. There’s a special process for WP:Good Article nominations ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:53, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Festucalex, I'll assess the article for you, with the help of rater. Dancing Dollar ^{(let's talk)} 15:45, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done Dancing Dollar ^{(let's talk)} 15:49, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Place of origin in first sentence

Hi! Someone I'm writing an article for was born in England, but moved to Australia as an adult and became a citizen, and lived there for the rest of his life. In the first sentence of the article, should I refer to him as English or Australian? For example, John Smith was an English/Australian banker. EmberArchaeo (talk) 15:05, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse! Sometimes it's hyper political, so read up on MOS:NATIONALITY. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! EmberArchaeo (talk) 15:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Translation from Hungarian to English

Hi Wiki Friends!

I did a translation of my Wikipedia page form Hungarian to English. I did published it but nothing really happens for months. I did the right steps. I really need an English translation because my artistic work.

Please, guys, help me to have an English version of my page.

This is the Hungarian page:https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%B3th_M%C3%A1ty%C3%A1s_(sz%C3%ADnm%C5%B1v%C3%A9sz)

This is the transleted one:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:T%C3%BCnd%C3%A9reg%C3%A9r/M%C3%A1ty%C3%A1s_T%C3%B3th_(actor)?action=edit

And I don't understand the title of the translated page either. I mean User:Tündéregér is my user name, why is it there?

Thanks for helping me! :) Tündéregér (talk) 15:36, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Tündéregér: Sorry, but you should NOT write an article about yourself. See WP:YOURSELF. 〜 Festucalex • talk 16:01, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello Tündéregér. You may want to read WP:What Wikipedia is not for it is not meant to be a way to promote something. Also, you wrote on your User Page, which is a place to tell a little about yourself in regards to your volunteer work on Wikipedia. What you wrote was never published as a Wikipedia article, and so only those who go directly to your User Page will ever see it. I would suggest you create your own website as a means to tell others about your artistic work. That way you can write whatever you chose to. Other language Wikipedia often have different requirements, but you must abide by the English Wikipedia requirements to have an English version encyclopedia article. Best wishes in finding a better Internet venue for promoting your work. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Tündéregér, see WP:YOURSELF. I personally suggest not writing an article about yourself or editing it, as your view about yourself may be biased. It's best to request the page to be created, and if you already have an article about yourself and you want to change it, do a WP:EDITREQUEST. Vamsi20 (ask me questions) (see what I've edited) 17:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Mark all notifications as read

Hi, how do I mark all notifications on all wikis as read? Since changing my username they keep popping up, there's so many I can't see new notifications very clearly. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 17:31, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

If you're working with a laptop or PC, you can open the "Notices" tab at the top of the page (the box between the bell and your talk page link). You can then change your preferences by clicking "Preferences" at the bottom of the "Notices" tab. In your case, one option seems particularly relevant: "Show notifications from other Wikis". If you turn that off, your notifications might become more managable.

To answer your question directly, the little circle in the very top right corner of the "Notices" tab marks all notifications as read when you click it. Actualcpscm (talk) 19:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

How do I quote a text in its original form & language with a translation?

The original quote (in Dutch):

byna een jaar lang boden de belegerden een moedigen en hardnekkigen tegenstand aan het staal der Grafelijke wapenknechten, even als de muren van het kasteel aan blyde en stormram. Telkens vinniger trokken de Hollanders, by het schetteren der klaroenen, by het kraken en dreunen hunner geschut- en beukwerktuigen, ten storm; sloegen hunne ladders aan de wallen, en stegen by hoopen onder beschutting van het schilddak op -- telkens werden zy met bebloede koppen te rug geworpen

The rough translation (in English)

for almost a year the besieged put up a brave and tenacious resistance to the steal of the soldiers of the Count, just as the walls of the castle to the magonel and ram. Constantly fiercer the Hollanders stormed, at the sounding of the clarions, at the creaking and booming of their artillery- and ramminginstruments; put their ladders up against the walls, and climbed bunch by bunch under protection of a shield -- they were thrown back with bloodied heads again and again

How do i format this? Are there examples I can copy? And for all the Dutch-speaking folks out there, how can I improve the translation? (Yes I am aware the Dutch isn't modern, as the source is a book from 1880, so the language and spelling is dated)

Many thanks! GeneralCraft65 (talk) 19:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

You can use the Template:Blockquote for that. Here's an overview of pages that use this template, to get an idea of what it looks like and how its typically formatted. ReneeWrites (talk) 19:19, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Not "steal" but "steel". Not "magonel" but "mangonel".   Maproom (talk) 19:59, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Article Rejected (too promotional)

I submitted an article (1895 Films) that was recently by @Greenman for having too much of a promotional voice. I now understand that I should not be linking to sites that are owned or operated by the subject. But I was also hopeful to get some specific examples of how my language / writing has too much of an advertising feel. I just want to learn to be able to continue to provide meaningful content to Wikipedia. Thank you. Ssullivan446 (talk) 20:00, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Your draft is absolutely dripping with inappropriate promotional content, terms like “highly acclaimed” “a decade-long, Pulitzer Prize-nominated journalism career” “some of the best creative talent in the field” “unforgettable moments for audiences” “company’s creative teams” “the remarkable true story” “an unprecedented view” “an incredible time in human history” etc etc none of this is acceptable the draft would need a total re-write in a dry neutral tone. Theroadislong (talk) 20:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will give it another go. I appreciate your very prompt response. Ssullivan446 (talk) 20:10, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

COI remove

Any editor can help remove a COI tag on the following page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Liang PotsdamChess (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

If it is truly amended (which I am unsure of) then you should be able to open edit source then delete the first line which should display the warning. Please make sure that it is truly amended as looking over the talk you seem to be very closely related. Chacabangaso (talk) 20:36, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

PotsdamChess, it seems that you have a conflict of interest. Accordingly, you should neither remove the tag nor ask others to do do. Please leave that decision to uninvolved editors. Cullen328 (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I will stop getting involved with this page in the future. However, the contents of the page are all neutral and key points are cited with references. PotsdamChess (talk) 20:50, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

feel free to edit the page. PotsdamChess (talk) 20:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

PotsdamChess The COI tag applies if you have a personal relationship with Jason Liang. Your opinion that the content is neutral point of view and references matters not at all. David notMD (talk) 22:23, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

David, any methods to remove this COI tag in the following weeks? I will be fine to get all my inputs removed from the page and already stopped editing a few months ago. PotsdamChess (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

No. You have made more than 50 edits to the article. Unraveling all that would damage the article. Furthermore, you are not the only COI. The article was created by an editor with a User name suggesting that person is Jason's father. There are also several edits by a User Chliang gwu which are suspect of being a COI. If Jason's chess career continues to mature, and editors with no apparent connection to him add significant content to the article, then years from now, a non-connected editor may decide that the COI tag is no longer required. David notMD (talk) 22:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected

This page is described as semi-protected however my text and citation were published. What does semi-protected mean here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suleiman_the_Magnificent?action=edit SwanyWhite (talk) 21:04, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@SwanyWhite: Semi-protected means that your account must be autoconfirmed in order to edit the page. The usually happens when the account is at least 4 days old and has at least 10 edits. Since your account is autoconfirmed, you may edit semi-protected pages. RudolfRed (talk) 21:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. That's simple. SwanyWhite (talk) 22:05, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Requesting review of an article in advance of posting

In reading a few Teahouse exchanges recently, I picked up that we can ask for a review to be made of our work on an article. If this is so, it would be helpful to me so that an article I'm working on won't fall into disfavor for big or smaller sins, and I'd like to ask how is such a request to be made. Augnablik (talk) 21:40, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Augnablik Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you using a translator to write your post? It would help to know what it is that you want reviewed, I cannot tell from your edit history. 331dot (talk) 21:47, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm working on the article outside of Wikipedia, 331dot, so you wouldn't see it yet. It's in English, so I'm not using a translator.

It's a hugely updated version of an existing article, by the way, mostly because of many additions and some corrections to the publications made by the author whose page I'm working on, and several updates to events in his life. And that's why I thought of getting a review, if available, first ... because I'm sure that depositing a new article in place of an older one, rather than gradual edits, will trigger bright neon lights for senior editors to come swooping in to see what's what.

But again, my original question: if reviewing is available in Wikipedia prior to publishing an article, how would I ask for it? Augnablik (talk) 02:07, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

If you were creating a new article from scratch, you would create it as a WP:Draft and then submit it for review using the blue request button that should be on the panel at the top if you've created the draft correctly.

However, you say you are creating an alternative version to replace an existing article. This (as you realise) is not a good idea: it would be better to make incremental changes/additions to the existing article (and not make one massive change). That way, as each "bold" edit is made other interested editors will assess it and choose whether or not to revert it for reasons they should give. If they do, you can then discuss it with them on the article's Talk page (and/or your/their User talk pages) and come to a compromise; if they don't, you can proceed to the next edit. Remember, there is no deadline.

If instead you make one massive change, it may be reverted because someone disagrees with only one or a few small part(s) of it, and then you have to establish which part(s) – this can get messy.

I presume you understand that all added material must be cited to a(t least one) Reliable source, and that deletions must be justified, especially if the removed material is cited to an RS.

Your proposal to get prior approval of a wholesale change does not seem to me to be easily achievable, but perhaps others can suggest a way of doing it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.18.208 (talk) 02:42, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Teahouse link

I don't see the Teahouse listed among the available links within Wikipedia that editors can easily get to. I think that when I joined Wikipedia last year, it was, or at least it was easier to get to. Have I missed something obvious somewhere to jump there directly in Wikipedia?

What I've done as a just temporary (hopefully!) workaround is to bookmark the link in my browser. Augnablik (talk) 21:47, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Augnablik. The shortcut is WP:TH. Cullen328 (talk) 21:51, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Augnablik: There is a link to the Teahouse on the Main Page and also at WP:HELP. Where are you looking that you think it should be added to? RudolfRed (talk) 21:52, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Augnablik: Maybe you used the link at User talk:Augnablik#Welcome! You get a notification when somebody edits your talk page but it hasn't been edited since July 2022. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:15, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

2012 Los Angeles Angels page fix

Hello. Can you go to the above page and scroll down to the pitching table. For some reason I cant figure out how to fix this particular table, should appear like the hitting table. Thank you and have a good day.Theairportman33531 (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Theairportman33531. I fixed the Team Totals row by changing a newline to a space.[1] It may look the same in the edit window because of the way browsers break lines with long space-less strings. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:24, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Couldnt figure out what was wrong, does look the same in the edit window. Thanks for your assistance.Theairportman33531 (talk) 22:57, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

MOSNUM script

I am having problems on my MOSNUM script, it only adds mdy or dmy dates template, no Philippine English template or whatsoever English template that was added automatically. Is there something missing on my script? ThisIsSeanJ (talk) 00:19, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

MOSNUM script only fixes date format, not variations of English. Carpimaps (talk) 02:41, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps: Is there a script for the variations of English? ThisIsSeanJ (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Request for advice: Possible edit warring

Hi, I'm new to wikipedia and to date my activity has been mostly anti-vandalism, but there appears to be an edit war happening in Hillsdale, Michigan. IP 96.61.97.209 has repeatedly blanked a section insisting that it does not meet the ground for notability, and I am unsure of the protocol here, i have already put the uw-3rr template on their talk, but do i revert the blanking? Any advice would be appreciated. - FenrisAureus ▼ (talk) 00:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Others know the procedures better than me; however, my two penn'orth (viewed from the other side of the Pond) is that while the matter under discussion may well merit mention, the actual material is way too long and detailed for the article. I wonder if it would be better to have a one sentence mention and a link in the existing article to a separate article about the matter, or perhaps to a section in an expanded and renamed 2021–2022 book banning in the United States, of which this seems to be a continuation? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.18.208 (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Improve my artciles

Hi there it would be great if you help me to improve my articlr Catchphurba (talk) 01:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)