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What is the purpose of being deemed 'Autopatrolled'

I have seem many articles self-published by those who are 'Autopatrolled' which are completely awful and would never make through the AFC process. Is it a license to publish whatever you deem qualified, subjectively? I read the page on autopatrolled but still do not understand how they get so much leniency. Thank you for clarifying. Geraldine Aino (talk) 17:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Geraldine Aino. As far as I know, all the autopatrol user right changes is that your new creations are automatically marked as patrolled so it will not appear in Special:NewPagesFeed (and similar tools as) as unreviewed (see WP:NPP for more about that process). It doesn't grant any special approval or extra leniency. If there are issues with an article that was autopatrolled, feel free to improve/tag/discuss on the talk page/draftify if new enough/nominate for deletion as seems best. (I'm making no comment on any particular article you may be thinking of since I have not looked at them, just making general statements.)

I'll also remark that using articles for creation or not is unrelated to the autopatrolled right. Any autoconfirmed user (around for 4 days and have made at least 10 edits) is technically able to create articles directly and does not have to use the draft space/AFC process; it's generally suggested as one is learning. Skynxnex (talk) 19:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Geraldine Aino, if you think someone is continuously creating new articles that are not up to a sufficient standard, you may want to contact an admin about it so they can remove the autopatrolled perm. Hey man im josh is an active NPP admin, so you might start there. But I would encourage you to be really sure you understand the criteria that NPP reviewers are looking at before you do so. -- asilvering (talk) 20:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

In fact I did just that! I posted it to the group Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. No one would touch them. It was bizarre. Geraldine Aino (talk) 11:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hm, that's disappointing. Could you link to the thread? -- asilvering (talk) 22:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

The most recent thread Geraldine Aino created at ANI was Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools, which has been archived over a week ago. @Geraldine Aino: You never mentioned any user in particular, nor did you notify them on their talk page, which is mandatory as the boxed text near the top of WP:ANI dictates. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

He contact me, and of course, had no problem with the page. But what the WP:ANI dictates, as I read it, was if you address a particular user. I was asking about a particular page, not user. My issue is not with the user, but the double standard in the policy of who gets to self-publish articles they create without any oversight.Geraldine Aino (talk) 11:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

If your issue isn't with a particular user, ANI is not the place for your comment. -- asilvering (talk) 02:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Finding a good company article to model on

Hello Teahouse denizens. I've recently been editing the Allbirds page (glacially, I may add). One of my struggles is that I'm between basing it on Patagonia, Inc., Apple Inc., and Warby Parker, none of which are above B-class. It would help me understand what a number of good company articles have, and if I'm giving undue weight to anything in my edits (i.e. the legal and public reception sections). I apologise if this seems rambling. Ornov Ganguly (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Oganguly: if you go to WP:GA, you can see 'Good articles' sorted, which should make it easier to find what you're looking for. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Oganguly, please take a look at Wikipedia:Good articles/Social sciences and society. There are 129 Good articles about businesses listed there. Cullen328 (talk) 16:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, DoubleGrazing: Thank you for the recommendations. I'll consult the Wikiprojects for advice on culling, and model on some of what I'm seeing on FAs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oganguly (talk • contribs) 18:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Oganguly: Here are the lists of Featured articles on companies and Good articles on companies. Left guide (talk) 02:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Please help

Hello there,

I just upload a new article. Could you please advise me how to upload my photos. Thanks a lot. Naila Oto (talk) 07:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello. You can upload photos that you've taken using Upload Wizard. Regards. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 08:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Naila Oto You have placed your draft article into your sandbox, which is OK. However, it currently has zero sources, which in Wikipedia terms means you have written it backwards. Please read that essay to see the problem. Although Enkhtuvshin is dead, Wikipedia articles can only be accepted into the main encycopaedia if they are sourced, so that readers can verify that what is written is based on reliable sources. See also this related policy about biographies of living people. Incidentally, the presence or otherwise of photos will not influence the acceptance of the article: only showing that Enkhtuvshin is wikinotable will do that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Mike,

I did wikinotable so how can I publish it on Wikipedia so people can see it, Thanks a lot. Naila Oto (talk) 03:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@Naila Oto Your draft still does not include anything which readers could use to verify that what you have written is backed up by already-published sources. Please read the detailed help very carefully. No article can appear in the main encyclopaedia without cited sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Finding biographies

I want to identify people who had some involvement with the Battle of Waterloo (and not just soldiers). It's easy enough to search on "Battle of Waterloo". But is there a way to turn up only biographies? Is there a way to limit results to people born before 1790, or who died in 1815? Humpster (talk) 08:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Humphrey Tribble: some categories may be useful here, eg. Category:People of the Battle of Waterloo and Category:1815 deaths. I know that doesn't quite answer your question, but maybe it helps a bit. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Petscan can be used to find articles that include two specific categories, or to do various other category searches. You can be pretty sure that the subject of a biography who is known to have died in in 1815 will be categorised as such but can't be so sure that other potential categories will have been applied to the articles about them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Upon a skim, Wellington himself is not in Category:People of the Battle of Waterloo. @Humphrey Tribble, does "battle of waterloo" insource:"1815 deaths" work for your latter query? The former can be done manually by decade, e.g. "battle of waterloo" deepcat:"1780s births" then working backward, maybe? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 09:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Humphrey Tribble: Biographies usually have in infobox but there are many for people. This searches for articles which use {{Infobox military person}} and are not already in Category:People of the Battle of Waterloo: hastemplate:"Infobox military person" "Battle of Waterloo" -incategory:"People of the Battle of Waterloo". For {{Infobox person}}: hastemplate:"Infobox person" "Battle of Waterloo" -incategory:"People of the Battle of Waterloo". You can try other relevant infoboxes in Category:People and person infobox templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, all, for the suggestions. I will explore these methods. Humpster (talk) 05:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi folks!

Hey, I submitted a draft a while ago, before I became an AFC participant. Now that I am part of the AFC participants, can I accept or reject my own previously submitted draft? Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 11:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Youknowwhoistheman It's your choice...you certainly could do it...but do you think you should do it? Lectonar (talk) 11:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

If this is about Draft:Lal Mohan Pati, it has been declined twice, for cause. Better to continue to improve it and resubmit. David notMD (talk) 12:21, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

No, David! it's all about Draft:Dayar-e-shauq mera, Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 06:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Writing a biography

Good day, Wikipedia community !

I wish to make a gift to my good friend, writing his bio in Wiki. I researched some articles, write a text, but something is wrong (article declined). Is there any way to found more user-friendly interface, template or information to do it in right way ?

Draft

Text is : Sergey Anatolievich Polunin (born June 22, 1967) is a renowned netsuke carver, a follower of traditional Japanese bone carving, combining the artistic techniques of the 18th-century Osaka school with the achievements of the mid-19th-century Edo school, as well as modern techniques. Parents: Anatoly Polunin and Anna Polunina. He is married to Irina Polunina and has a son, Denis Sergeyevich Polunin. Sergey Polunin was born in Magnitogorsk and later moved to Odessa. After school, he enrolled in a medical college and worked as a paramedic from 1988 to 1993. Following the collapse of the USSR in 1991, he entered the law faculty at Mechnikov Institute and practiced law from 1996 to 2006. In 2006, after a trip to China, he was impressed by the art of netsuke carving and, upon returning home, began studying carving from famous masters as well as independently, by studying antique works presented in museums. By 2011, Sergey Polunin had left his legal career to fully focus on creating miniature sculptures. The characteristic features of Sergey Polunin's work include a unique style, compact composition, and energetic volume modeling. He achieves this through lively and vivid imagery, successfully interpreting classical plots with a modern vision, and the ability to convey mood and emotion with just a few strokes. Unlike the Edo school's mid-19th-century netsuke, his work lacks excessive detailing, frequent engraving, and blackening. Although Sergey Polunin sometimes incorporates engraving and inlay into his works, these elements do not become the main expressive means in his netsuke and okimono. His work is valued for the uniqueness of the concept rather than the refinement of the finish. The key qualities for which his work is appreciated by contemporaries are his ability to create lively, dynamic, and psychologically credible scenes without disrupting the geometry of the volume or compact composition, and his sense of humor in depicting various mythological plots. Sergey Polunin's style is largely a blend of the earlier Osaka and new Edo traditions. His medical education ensures that his works are anatomically precise, making even mythological creatures appear very realistic and lively. Sergey Polunin is also a follower of the wabi-sabi philosophy, which gives his works a unique combination of form and detail, and the ability to convey emotion and mood in netsuke with just a few chisel strokes. Since 2014, he has also been the author and co-author of jewelry, using his works as the central element, as netsuke are traditionally not just collectible items but also accessories that highlight the unique style of their owner.

What i should change or add to do this article good for wiki ?

Best regards, Kate. KaterynaOd1986 (talk) 12:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

All content, including everything in Career, must be either verified by references or else deleted. See WP:BLP. Right now, with no references, it reads as your opinion of his style and competence. Also, see WP:COI for your need to declare your connection to him. David notMD (talk) 12:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for direct links. Wikipedia is very huge for me, i never wrote articles before.. And user interface is not very friendly for novice here :( KaterynaOd1986 (talk) 21:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@KaterynaOd1986 You should also be aware that an article about your friend isn't necessarily a good thing. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, but there's only about 300 netsuke artists in current days, so i think it's important to save this type of art.. KaterynaOd1986 (talk) 21:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Can't get article on wiki

Anyone know why my article isn't showing up on google? It's on Wikipedia but I can't get it to show up on google even when I type in the name of the article followed by wikipedia.

My article

Let me know! Thanks Richielemay29 (talk) 15:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Articles aren't indexed by Google until an editor with patrolling rights has designated the article as patrolled, or the article has existed for 90 days.

Also, this shouldn't have been published in article space. It looks like a company brochure. I'm draftifying it for review. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Richielemay29: You have two accounts here, the other being User:Richielemay, which created the original Draft:CLNS Media. Do you intend to abandon one account? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

yes, I don't need both accounts. Only the one with my drafted article. Thank you so much for the help, I really apprecite it, I have been trying to find help everywhere. Richielemay29 (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Richielemay29: In the future, please ask at only either the help desk or the Teahouse to avoid duplicating volunteer effort. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Will do, sorry Richielemay29 (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Should I abandon my other account or is that something you can do? Richielemay29 (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll block and redirect it to your new account. Respond to the paid editing notice on your talk page before you make any more edits on Wikipedia, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Will do, thank you so much for your help. Do you think my article will be accepted and do you know how long it will take an editor to look over it and come up with a decision?

Thanks Richielemay29 (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I doubt it would be accepted in its current state. You need to make some improvements, like reducing the reliance on primary sources, and relying more on secondary sources that are independent of the company. See Wikipedia:Golden Rule to get an idea of what's expected.

Also, you risk being blocked if you don't respond to the message about paid editing on your talk page. Do that ASAP. It's OK to be working for the company, but for legal reasons you need to disclose that. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:CLNS Media now shorter. And Richielemay29 has declared paid. David notMD (talk) 20:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I Want assistance in Writing a biography

I Want assistance in Writing a biography Davidfountains (talk) 22:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Davidfountains. Select an indisputably notable person. Before you start writing, gather a list of indisputably reliable sources that are entirely independent of the person, and that devote significant coverage to the person. Once you have that list of high quality sources, format them into references. Referencing for beginners explains how. Now, neutrally summarize what the sources say, avoiding any promotional language. You can find much more detailed advice at Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 01:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Your attempt at Draft:Lil Posty has been Speedy deleted. It appears you have tried again at Draft:LilX POSTY. I cut puffery and promotional wording. Probably WP:TOOSOON for him to be Wikipedia-notable. David notMD (talk) 02:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Your refs to his songs do not in any way establish his notability. What is missing is refs to what preople have published about him. David notMD (talk) 04:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:LilX POSTY was submitted, declined, nominated for Speedy deletion, deleted, and then created again by Davidfountains. David notMD (talk) 12:03, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Help on Meta Wiki

Creating a meta page for Wiki-Green Conference 2024 has become challenging, The reason is that the tabs for Event:Wiki-Green Conference 2024 is linked to Wiki-Green Conference 2023 and I don't know why. I will be grateful if I get help to solve this pending issue of 2023 activities repeating itself in 2024, so that I can quickly provided the necessary information to various tabs.Jwale2 (talk) 02:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jwale2: When I click the 2024 link you gave I see the 2024 conference not 2023. Can you clarify what problem you are having? Also, questions about meta probably belong at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_Forum or if some page needs to be moved then https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat RudolfRed (talk) 02:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: thanks for the feedback, kindly note that when you click on the Wiki-Green 2024 nav bars or tabs it's redirected to Wiki-Green Conference 2023. I want to have all pages in 2024 not mixed with 2023. Jwale2 (talk) 07:08, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirect

How can I create a redirect to a subsection of a section of an article? Wår (talk) 06:34, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @War Term: see WP:TARGET. Basically, if the (sub-)section has a header, you can point to that by appending the link with # followed by the header. Otherwise you need to first create an anchor, to which you can then point. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I tried to do this relatively recently when I discovered a broken link. Despite having a subheading the [[pagename#subsection]] link still wouldn't work, so in the end I had to add an anchor to the article I wanted to link to. That's actually very easy to do: go to the section you want to link to and add the anchor template. It consists of 2 open brace characters ‘{’, the ‘Anchor’ keyword, the pipe character ‘|’ followed by a unique anchor_name (to make certain it's unique include, for example, the date) and finally 2 close brace characters ‘}’. All templates start with 2 open brace and end with 2 close brace characters, just as all internal links start with two open bracket and end with two close bracket characters (‘[’ & ‘]’. They're wiki markup characters, also called wikitext. You can find a summary at Help: Wikitext—shortcut H:WT) There's more detailed information for anchors under Help:Link (or H:L. Just type it in the Wikipedia search box)

SaintIX (talk) 10:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I will implement these. Wår (talk) 18:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @SaintIX or @DoubleGrazing,

Can any of you help me to archive this chat on my talk page so that I don't loose it? I am asking for the help because I can't help myself. Wår (talk) 21:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Declined because of not adequately supported by a reliable source

Hello! Sorry if I'm new here on Wikipedia.. but I made an Draft Article Sketchware, I don't know how to arrange or fix these References because that time, it was not suitable or supported by the sources I put there, sorry if I can't understand anything. Axillarlyn (talk) 09:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Axillarlyn, if you can't find reliable independent sources that discuss the product, it's unlikely that anyone else will try to do it for you. (It's odd to write a draft about a software package without telling the reader what platform it runs on.} Maproom (talk) 11:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Your sources are poor. Linkedin, medium.com and quora are considered unreliable (see WP:RSPS). Crunchbase is even worse: it is what we call "deprecated", which means it should never be used. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Page repeatdely declined for approval

Hello, I was just wondering if anyone could pretty please help me with a page I'm trying to get approved for a BBC radio presenter. It appears that it says the sources for citations, but they are BBC and national UK press sites. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Page is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Deb_Grant Thanks so much! Madetocreate78 (talk) 09:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I mean, it says the sources aren't adequate enough, but they are verified national newspapers, the BBC and other media outlets with notoriety. thanks! Madetocreate78 (talk) 09:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Madetocreate78 In this case, it isn't the reliability of the sources that is in question but their independence from the subject. Clearly, a BBC presenter being described by the BBC fails that test. Similarly, if the source is based on an interview. Do you have any sources that meet the golden rules? If so, focus on them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Mike! Yes I get you, there are quite a few sources that were BBC, so I've changed them to news publications. Fingers crossed that might help this time around. Thank you! Madetocreate78 (talk) 12:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Madetocreate78 Please examine the criteria we require:

For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.

Compare your references against these.

I am making no comment about the references you have chosen, I am simply asking you to check, and to replace any which do not pass. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:14, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Dates

Is there a preferred style for years that are pre common era, ie is BC/AD or BCE/CE preferred? Alternatively, although I doubt it as they're not common knowledge even though I think they're a great idea, even OldEra.org years? I couldn't find anything in the style guide and I've seen both used but the BC/AD might be from older articles. Personally, although I'm not religious and don't like the emphasis on Christianity, I prefer the BC/AD indicators purely because of their greater contrast. BCE/CE are too similar and easier to confuse.

I have no preference for reply style but I am accessing Wikipedia through the app on my mobile.

Thank you

SaintIX (talk) 09:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers, specifically MOS:ERA. —Wasell^(T) 10:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, especially for such a quick reply 🙏🏼. I wonder why it didn't come up when I searched for it? I guess I just didn't think of the right search parameters (I searched for BC, BCE, AD & CE and various combinations). Anyway, thanks again. SaintIX (talk) 10:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@SaintIX. To find this sort of information, the trick is to look in the Wikipedia namespace rather than the main article namespace, but prefixing your search term with "Wikipdia:" or "WP:" Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. That's what I did wrong! I was searching the "Help" namespace. 🙏🏼 SaintIX (talk) 11:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Birthplace of Tommy Robinson

Hello, it has been established that Tommy Robinson also known as Stephen Yaxley Lennon and various other aliases was in fact born in the Republic of Ireland. Not Luton! This is important because he has boasted of being an English patriot. We clearly saw from his Canadian immigration documents and his birth certificate that he was born in the Republic of Ireland. I have tried to edit the article but it seems I can't. Can someone please edit the article to reflect that he was actually born in the Republic of Ireland and although he has campaign for Brexit, being an Irish citizen the impact for him was not felt as it was for the rest of the population. ==

Edit page BritishGrammar (talk) 11:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

• Page link: Tommy Robinson (activist) --Gronk Oz (talk) 11:58, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

  Talk discussion link for reference: Early Life (Birthplace & Ethnicity). CNC (talk) 12:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and then discuss this on the article talk page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

You have been discussing this with other editors on the Talk page of Tommy Robinson (activist), which is the proper place. David notMD (talk) 12:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Cheers!! I’m not sure it is because the response I’m getting is that we should trust sources without documentation over sources from the actual person himself with documentation. Obviously, obviously I’m going to try and reach out to some senior editors to try and get more appropriate answers than “trust me Bro”. BritishGrammar (talk) 12:26, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

This assessment is correct, per WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:BLPSELFPUB policies. CNC (talk) 12:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

For reference sake, AndyThe Grump and David notMD both have over 50,000 edits and have been editing Wikipedia for over a decade. This puts them in the category of Master Editor II, that is above Senior Editor. CNC (talk) 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@CommunityNotesContributor: Please note that service awards are just for fun and that service awards do not indicate any level of authority whatsoever; "master" editors are not bestowed with more authority through this award than "novice" editors. RudolfRed (talk) 15:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm aware. BritishGrammar has made it clear they would prefer answers from more experienced editors, specifically senior editors, so it makes sense to reference that this has already happened. Whether the opinions of these editors is more relevant to the discussion or not (obviously it's not) is not of my concern, specifically when editors come here seeking answers from specific individuals. The only concept of a "Senior editor" that I'm aware of – that BG requested answers from – is as referenced. If you know of another reference to a "senior editor", then I'd appreciate the insight for future reference. I think David otherwise adequately explained the dynamic below, for context sake. CNC (talk) 15:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Humbug! BritishGrammar (talk) 19:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Care to elaborate? CNC (talk) 20:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

BG - Wikipedia allows editors to list their participation (# edits, years) on their User page, basically bragging rights, but being here longer and more edits does not grant more authority. There is a small set of people with Administrator status, but there is no administrative 'senior editor' classification. Your goal needs to be reaching consensus on the article's Talk page. David notMD (talk) 14:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk page consensus can't overrule policy, which is absolutely clear in ruling out the use of social media postings regarding the disputed content. Not that BritishGrammar even provided links for those, making the whole discussion rather absurd. We are being asked to base content on something somebody says they've seen on the internet, concerning something allegedly written on an immigration form by someone with a previous conviction for travelling on a false passport. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Robinson seems to have done something that upset Canadian immigration officials which led to his arrest, but we don't know what it is. As for the document posted on X/Twitter, this doesn't override the many reliable secondary sources saying that he was born in Luton, England.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:26, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

My draft got declined

My draft got declined after I put in every source that I could find. They said I need more reliable secondary sources but unfortunately can't find any more. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you, My article is listed below

My article

Richielemay29 (talk) 14:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Richielemay29 In that case your article will never be accepted. In any case, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to promote or advertise. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Not as harshly, but many of your refs are just name-mentions of CLNS, or links to podcasts. Collectively, the refs do not establish significant notability. If you want to abandon the draft, put Db-author at the top, inside double curly brackets {{ }} and an Administrator will delete the draft. David notMD (talk) 18:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I remove/change a photo on a Wiki page?

As the title asks, I do not know how to remove a picture from a Wiki Page. The page in question is the romanian version of Constantin I. Angelescu's page, which uses a picture of former Romanian PM Alexandru Marghiloman. The picture in question can be found and stated to be Alexandru Marghiloman on multiple other websites like this and this. The photo in question is even used on his autobiography.

Thanks! YoursTrulyKor (talk) 17:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@YoursTrulyKor: You will need to ask at the Romanian Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia has its own rules and guidelines. I think the help desk for that Wikipedia is at ro:Wikipedia:Cafenea. The image does not appear to be protected by copyright, so that fact that it is used elsewhere should not be a problem. RudolfRed (talk) 17:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I was not referring to copyright or anything around those lines, rather to the fact that the picture of a different person is used (PM Alexandru Marghiloman instead of a photo of Constantin Angelescu). Much appreciated! YoursTrulyKor (talk) 20:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@YoursTrulyKor: The Romanian article uses an infobox template which automatically pulls the image from the article's Wikidata item Constantin Angelescu (Q868829). Pinging Asybaris01 who uploaded commons:File:Constantin I. Angelescu (1).jpg and added it [1] to Wikidata. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I suppose that explains why I wasn't able to remove and change the photo with one actually of Angelescu (who looked like this for reference). Thanks! YoursTrulyKor (talk) 12:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

How can I alter a short description

Hidden Colors, on mobile, when in the suggested pages has a description of "0000 American Film". I checked the page source, and was not astute enough to find where this was coming from. 166.199.151.51 (talk) 19:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

It's added by {{Infobox film}}. The template page displays {{Auto short description}}. I have added {{Short description|2010s American documentary film series}}.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 21:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

How to make a username in a variety of colors.

I am trying to make my username signature look like

ThePantherSun (have some times)

Disclaimer: Remove the "RULES" part of my signature, also turn "talk" into "have some times". — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePantherSun RULES! (talk • contribs)

This user has been blocked indefinitely. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Need help including secondary sources to my draft

hello, i am working on Draft:Jenin_Ambush and according to the admin who rejected it i should include more secondary sources though i am finding trouble finding out what this could mean and when i looked into its description i couldnt understand it properly if someone could help me out here it would be of great appreciation Waterlover3 (talk) 20:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Primary sources are things like documents (birth certificates, driving licences, diplomas, etc.) and official records (census and electoral roll entries, alumnae records, etc.) of the subject.

Secondary sources are those that have gathered information, including primary sources, and used them to create an article, etc. about the subject, often including discussion and analysis.

There are also Tertiary sources such as encyclopaedias (including this one!) that collate and summarise the material from secondary sources, but do not add further discussion and analysis of their own.

Although Wikipedia may accept the limited use of some primary sources to corroborate specific facts about a subject, only Secondary sources are acceptable for demonstrating a subject's WP:Notability, which is a basic qualification for having an article. Hope this helps {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 23:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Understood. thanks alot! Waterlover3 (talk) 00:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Page Review

How can I know if a page is already reviewed and indexed by Wikipedia? @DoubleGrazing: Wår (talk) 21:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Disruptive Editor, Possible Bot

I've come across the editor EmaisumadoDM who is making many (exclusively, from what I can tell) unsourced edits, recently pivoting towards changing native names of African countries, which is something that I've seen before and usually gets reverted by editors who seem to know what they're doing. For instance, Benin, Togo, and Niger (the latter coming a few hours this IP made similar, possibly unrelated edits). EmaisumandoDM's previous edits consist of minor unsourced edits to obscure sports teams.

Notably, this editor made exactly 10 edits in February and waited until they were autoconfirmed before making this recent burst of edits, and have made 0 edits to talk pages. They seem to be a bot, and may be building up to extended confirmed before disrupting more serious articles. Placeholderer (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

You may want to discuss this topic at the WP:ANI. Regards. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 22:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Please I want to upload my biography through Wikipedia in the internet

Please I want to make my biography publicly through Wikipedia Godlykingm (talk) 22:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Godlykingm: You should not. Read WP:AUTO for advice on this. RudolfRed (talk) 22:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

please help me out Godlykingm (talk) 22:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

• User:RudolfRed is correct. You should not. A biography on wikipedia should be written by someone neutral. Bduke (talk) 23:12, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Plus, we don't even know who you are. No neutral party is able to do anything. Ornov Ganguly (talk) 23:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

You tried to make an article about you by changing wording in an article about someone else, to about you. This was hijacking, and reverted. An article about you can exist only if people with no connection to you have written about you, that becoming references. David notMD (talk) 02:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

So how can I contact someone who is neutral and I'm sorry for my attempt to hi Jack some one biography. Godlykingm (talk) 06:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

You have been told by four different editors not to do this. And now I'm a fifth editor doing so. Please drop this. Wikipedia is not the place for you to promote yourself, either by writing yourself or by getting someone else to do. IF you are notable then someone will likely write about you. Meters (talk) 07:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

There are websites that promise to create Wikipedia articles. Most of them are scams. The sum of everyones' replies is that once you are famous enough, someone will create an article about you. Meanwhile, promote yourself on social media. David notMD (talk) 18:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Update: Indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 20:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Cite template?

What cite template do I use for this source? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 01:12, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Try putting the url it into this tool see what you get. Moxy🍁 01:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula: Template:NRISref is certainly a possibility. Deor (talk) 14:25, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Making a separate page for character Don Beech from The Bill

Hiya, I didn't know where to ask about this so I thought I'll ask here.

Main pages: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bill https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Bill_characters

I noticed that a few characters from The Bill have their own pages, and I was wondering if Don Beech could get his own page.

He is quite a notable character, having started the titular Don Beech Scandal and had a spinoff, Beech is Back.

TheSupremeMoron (talk) 02:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps ask this question on the talk page of one or other (not both) of the Wikiprojects whose templates appear atop Talk:List of The Bill characters. -- Hoary (talk) 02:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Good advice TheSupremeMoron (talk) 06:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TheSupremeMoron, and welcome to the Teahouse. The minimum requirement - as for any Wikipedia article - is that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which generally means that there is enough reliably published independent material about them to base an article on. This doesn't very often happen about individual characters in a show, though it does sometimes. ColinFine (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Should I remove this off of a page?

I was reading a Wikipedia article about a city, and in the history section, there was a sentence that said that what they were talking about in the previous sentence was “unacceptable”. Then the article continues as normal. I checked and this sentence has been there for years. I feel like this is not a neutral sentence, so should I remove it? Zabro29 (talk) 02:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@Zabro29: Please give the name of the article, so there is more context for your questiobn RudolfRed (talk) 02:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

The page is West Des Moines, Iowa Zabro29 (talk) 02:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Zabro29, I don't see the word "unacceptable" anywhere in the article. I do see the sentence "Turning the West Des Moines Community Schools into a two high school district was not acceptable", which refers not to the previous sentence itself, but to a proposal regarding schools. Like much of the rest of the content of that article it is unreferenced; but I see no other problem with it. Maproom (talk) 07:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Alright, that sentence was the one I was talking about, I should have said “not acceptable” instead of “unacceptable”. Thank your for helping me! Zabro29 (talk) 12:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Css rule Media Viewer

Is there a way to make the media viewer arrows because Im trying to make a custom css rule. And whats the code for the media viewer arrows. Flasherme7 (talk) 03:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@Flasherme7: Welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like you also asked this question at the technical village pump. The regulars there are better suited to answer your question. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

taking permission..!!

I am doing easy level editing from past 1 month (adding internal wiki link and references etc.) now can I start mid-level Editing (adding updated info to outdated articles)? UnKnownrNone (talk) 04:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

You don't need permission. Be bold! HansVonStuttgart (talk) 09:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks sir...!!

💬 UnKnownrNone (talk) 09:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

UnKnownrNone- It's good that you want to work your way up the ladder like that. Looking at your profile, you might be interested in following along with what WP:India is doing. They have a graph charting where articles of various importances lie (i.e. a Top importance article at Start class). Wikipedia also has a general page for articles in need of help which you can access here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_improvement. Good luck, and have fun! Ornov Ganguly (talk) 16:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

a colossal thanks to you sir for giving this information...!!

Talk✍

User Contribution 📝 UnKnownrNone (talk) 03:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Quoting from a non-soft copy source

How does one quote from a source which is only available in hard copy? I have encountered threats, with my contributions being reverted and deleted. This is very frustrating after all the work of reading and extracting information. Please assist. Kenya High School Lilly Stein (talk) 10:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

There is no requirement that sources be online, their being so is merely an optional added convenience.

They do have to have been Wikipedia:Published, so that users could if they wished consult them somewhere, such as in a library or accessible archive: see Wikipedia:Verifiability#Accessibility. This means that when citing them (and everything must be cited to a Wikipedia:Reliable source), the reference has to include appropriate bibliographical details: see Wikipedia:Citation templates for what details are typically needed for various types of source.

Note that pdf and similar files are not usually considered admissible, because such files are easily altered. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 11:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

You cite (and if you need to quote then also quote) from paper publications just as you would for something that is also/only on the web; although instead of Template:Cite web you use Template:Cite news, Template:Cite journal, Template:Cite book, etc. (For that "etc", see the infobox near the top, and probably near the right, of Template:Cite journal/doc.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Good Morning America Edits

I recently noticed that User:Aaron_Kirey moved the entirely of the Good Morning America Weekend content to the main Good Morning America. There was no discussion whatsoever to merge and/or move content on this at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Good_Morning_America_Weekend&action=history

Here is where it began - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Good_Morning_America&diff=1231842356&oldid=1231842122

What should I do? Soafy234 (talk) 17:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Soafy234: and now Good Morning America is a redirect to Good Morning America Weekend, which has no content. It make take an admin to sort out this mess - I'm certainly not going to try. Maproom (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

And Good Morning America Weekend is a redirect to Wikipedia:Good Morning America Weekend which is blank. Good grief. RudolfRed (talk) 18:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Should be fixed now Cwater1 (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

There wasn’t really enough to justify it having a separate page in my opinion. Today show doesn’t have a separate page for its weekend edition, so why good morning America.

Also, just didn’t know how to redirect on the mobile version of Wikipedia Aaron Kirey (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Ok. So weekend today does have its own Wikipedia page.

Then again, that has more content than GMA weekend used to have Aaron Kirey (talk) 18:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Good Morning America Weekend had, bizarrely, been turned into a redirect to Wikipedia:Good Morning America Weekend. A few minutes ago reversed this, and restored Good Morning America Weekend to the state it was in before it was gutted of content. (I did this with some missteps, as I'd insufficiently fortified myself with caffeine.) At a glance (which is all that I've given it), the article Good Morning America Weekend seems feeble, but not vacuous. Whether Good Morning America Weekend merits an article; and if it doesn't, then what should be done with what's currently in it, are matters on which I have no opinion. But before conversion into a redirect, suggest the conversion and get agreement for it. And don't redirect this or any article to "Wikipedia:"-whatever. -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I did attempt to help clean the mess and made Wikipedia:Good Morning America Weekend redirect to the regular redirect. It doesn't show up in my contributions anymore. Good Morning America Weekend has good content to be a standalone article. Cwater1 (talk) 18:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

declined article

I have added over 55 articles to my sandbox and my article was rejected citing not enough supporting resources why is that? Kimberlyjbates (talk) 20:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kimberlyjbates, and welcome to the Teahouse. User:Kimberlyjbates/sandbox was declined, not rejected: "rejected" would mean the end of the road, but "declined" is an invitation to improve and resubmit.

The major problem with the draft is that there are no inline citations: you have a list of 56 citations floating at the end, with no indication of which piece of information is supported by which source. The sole purpose of a citation is to provide a way for a reader (or reviewer) to verify that a particular piece of information in an article is supported by a reliable source. A list of sources at the end is useless.

Please read REFB for how to cite sources.

My more general advice would be to put your draft aside completely for a few weeks or months, and start making improvements to existing articles in order to learn about core principles, such as reliable sources, independent sources, neutral point of view, and notability. Otherwise you are like somebody who has never played tennis and enters a major competition, or somebody who has no knowledge of building or relevant regulations but sets out to build a house: you probably won't even understand the feedback you get.

I must ask: what is your connection with Harris? I see you took the photo of her, and I see that her mother's name is Kimberley. Please clarify your connection, and read the guidelines on editing with a conflict of interest. It might also be a good idea to read an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 21:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Mainespace

Hi I am an auto-confirmed user and recently created an article on Wikipedia. Initially, I moved the article from my sandbox to the mainspace, but accidentally moved it under the wrong name. I corrected this by setting up a redirection. For a while, I could see and access the article from other pages. However, now I encounter an issue where it says, "There was an issue displaying this preview." Additionally, the article does not appear in search engine results, such as Google.

I have checked and confirmed that the article has not been deleted, I am not blocked, and I have adhered to all the guidelines. Despite this, I am unable to understand why this problem is occurring or what I might have missed. Could someone please help me resolve this issue? Privetjournalist (talk) 21:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

i forgot to put the page name, its Moslem Rahal if you want to check it Privetjournalist (talk) 21:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@Privetjournalist it's there and working fine. There's no preview, because there's no lead section! I'll fix this for you. -- asilvering (talk) 22:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

thank you very much for your help! Privetjournalist (talk) 22:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

New pages are hidden from search engines until they are reviewed by New Page Patrol or 90 days which ever happens first. RudolfRed (talk) 22:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Privetjournalist, putting aside from the promotional tone of the article, I quote: Moslem Rahal was chosen [for what?] because he was one of the few people capable of playing the ney in a classical setting, [...] They [Who?] selected him based on his capability and knowledge of Western music, [...] -- Hoary (talk) 05:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I have seen this comment from another user and, Regarding the neutrality issue, I often rephrased sentences from news articles, believing I was maintaining a neutral tone. I apologize if this was not the case. I will make the necessary corrections to ensure the content adheres to Wikipedia's neutrality standards.

If you have any additional feedback or see other areas for improvement, I would greatly appreciate your input.

Thank you for your help. Privetjournalist (talk) 08:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

"Today he is one of the leading experts in the instrument" may indeed be verifiable (in Wikipedia's sense), Privetjournalist, but here it doesn't appear to be. Instead, it's referenced to what appears to be his appearance in a TV chat show. Unfortunately I have no ability whatever in Arabic, so possibly I misunderstand. Do I misunderstand? -- Hoary (talk) 09:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you misunderstood. It was from an interview on Dubai Media at Dubai Expo. The interviewer mentioned this because they discussed how ney players usually aren't that famous in the Middle East. but Rahal managed to become famous in both Arabian and Western places. If this is an issue on Wikipedia, I don't mind deleting it. Privetjournalist (talk) 09:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Walking trail route pages (27 in total): Should I upload separately or compile in one page?

I live on Jeju Island, South Korea and have been walking the Jeju Olle Trail. There are 27 routes in total, and in addition to cleaning up the Jeju Olle Trail page, I'd worked on write-ups of each trail, based mainly on the guidebook and other Korean info. I need advice on whether each entry merits its own page.

Below is an example of Route 01 from my sandbox. The others follow the same formatting and detail. I'm also wondering what title format I should use for each.

Example provided

Tentative Title: Jeju Olle Walking Trail (Route 01) Jeju Olle Route 01 Siheung - Gwangchigi Olle Volcanic cones seen from Route 01 Length 15.1 kilometres (10 mi) (4 to 5 hours) Location Seogwipo-si, Jeju Island Established 2007-09-08 Trailheads Siheung-ri Bus Stop (33.477347°N 126.895818°E / 33.477347; 126.895818) to Gwangchigi Beach (33.451959°N 126.924288°E / 33.451959; 126.924288) Use Hiking Difficulty Medium (Wheelchair accessible area) Season All year Sights Malmi Oreum, Al Oreum, Seongsan Gapmun (flood gate), Seongsan Ilchulbong Peak, Sumapo Port, Gwangchigi Beach Maintained by Jeju Olle Foundation Route 01 is the inaugural route of the northeastern section of the Jeju Olle Trail on Jeju Island, South Korea. The trail features fields surrounded by black basalt stone walls, views of the island's many oreum volcanic cones, the coastline, villages, cattle, and horse pastures, among other sights. The starting point of the 15.1-km route is Siheung-ri Bus Stop, and the finishing point is Gwangchigi Beach. Its friendship trail is the Camino de Santiago in Spain. Route description The starting point stamp post is located 200 meters south of Siheung Elementary School. About 1 kilometer from the starting point, hikers can find the Jeju Olle Trail Information Center to obtain their first stamp. The trail in Siheung-ri features fields with regional vegetables such as carrots, potatoes, and radishes. In winter, the green carrot leaves and the orange carrots create a distinct appearance. The trail leads to Malmi Oreum, a peak at 126 meters. From the top, hikers can view Siheung-ri's fields, Seongsan Ilchulbong (peak), Udo Island, and the ocean in eastern Jeju. The fields in Siheung-ri are known for their varied colors. The trail continues from Malmi Oreum through the fields and leads to Al Oreum, a grass-covered oreum at 146 meters. Hikers are advised to stay on the established dirt trail. From here, the scenery includes Seongsanpo field and the eastern part of Jeju. Descending from Al Oreum, the trail leads to Jongdal-ri village. After passing through the village and crossing the circuit road, the trail goes by Jongdal Elementary School and the old salt flats before reaching a seaside walk and then a coastal road. This is where the Seaside Olle Trail begins. Hikers walk towards Seongsan Ilchulbong (peak) along the coast. At Mokhwa Rest Area, hikers can obtain a midpoint stamp for their Olle Trail passport. Crossing Seongsan Gapmun (flood gate), hikers reach Seongsanpohang (harbor) and continue along the sea to Seongsan Ilchulbong (peak), a popular tourist attraction. Hikers are advised to pay close attention to the signage, arrows, and ribbons of the Jeju Olle Trail due to the busy environment. A walkway alongside a sandy beach connects Sumapo (port) and Gwangchigi Beach, offering different views of Seongsan Ilchulbong. The entrance to Gwangchigi Beach is significant for being a site of the April 3 Resistance Movement. Gwangchigi Beach is known for its sunrise views. The black and white sands create unique patterns, and the broad rocks with moss add to the landscape during ebb and flow tides. This beach is where the Seongsan Trail ends and is noted for the color of its water. Seafood restaurants are available at the end of the trail, and hikers can obtain a finishing point stamp here. References - [will add when uploading] External links Jeju Olle website Route 01

Newspaperman (talk) 00:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Newspaperman, if this trail is "notable" (as this is defined by and for en:Wikipedia), then what you've written doesn't even start to demonstrate this. (What you've written also reads like a "howto" manual, though one written in the third rather than second person.) You're probably at the wrong website. How about Wikivoyage? (Although you should familiarize yourself with Wikivoyage's policies and norms before adding large quantities of material to it.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Meta-Page Help

Please the meta sub-pages I created for Event:Wiki-Green Conference 2024 is linked to Wiki-Green Conference 2023.Kindly help de-link and help 2024 stand-alone.Thanks

I presume that this is from Jwale2, who posted on the same subject two days ago, at #Help on Meta Wiki?

You were directed then to the appropriate place for such questions. I doubt if you are going to get any further answer on this page. --ColinFine (talk) 10:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

A question

Hello friends, how do you create a page in Wikipedia ? I am thinking about doing this. SunnyRou (talk) 04:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello SunnyRou. Writing an encyclopedia article for Wikipedia requires a lot of work, so I suggest you start out by studying Wikipedia articles on similar topics to what you plan to write about, in order to understand how articles are organized. It’s also good to first edit several articles to gain experience with Wikipedia formatting. It is important to carefully read Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. I read through "Your first article" several times before attempting my first encyclopedia article, but it was worth the effort to have my article accepted for publication. Best wishes on your upcoming Wikipedia project. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Greetings! I have a question.

How can an article pass notability guidelines? 158.51.245.235 (talk) 06:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

By satisfying Wikipedia:Notability. (If something in that is unclear, feel free to ask.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! The notability guidelines tell you what is required. Remsense诉 06:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello!

How to fix typos in articles? 178.80.72.4 (talk) 06:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Start by digesting Help:Introduction and the pages to which it links. -- Hoary (talk) 09:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:All articles needing copy edit would be a good place to start if you're interested in fixing typos and grammatical errors. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Checkout the Typo Team at WP:TYPO for hints and tips for finding and fixing typos. RudolfRed (talk) 20:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Starting from today

Finally, I am done with Building My user page, from now I will be doing Edits...!!

I think it is a good time to go! UnKnownrNone (talk) 06:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@UnKnownrNone That makes a lot of sense. After all, actually improving this encyclopaedia is what we should all be here for. Your ratio of user page edits to mainspace edits isn't too worrying - but I agree: now's the time to get cracking on proper editing.

BTW: I see no evidence of your Userpage claim to have been nominated for 'Editor of the Week Award' since you started here just two weeks ago. I might have missed something, of course, but it's important you don't accidentally mislead people with incorrect claims. Next thing then to happen would be that someone might not believe you're genuinely a radiologist working in Canada! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

naah i am really a radiologist in canada i have also MD and MBBS degree from AIIMS UnKnownrNone (talk) 02:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Standards

I want to ask that are my draft article meet the standards for submission? 118.200.240.25 (talk) 06:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

No it doesn't. Sample sentence: Vitroman has the name strong in existence "only for men" which targeted to male user. I can't even parse this, let alone understand it. From the context, I learn that the product is for men's genitalia; if this is so, we hardly need to be told that it's targeted at men. And there are other problems besides. -- Hoary (talk) 07:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. The very first step in writing a Wikipedia article is to find sources that establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - which means, mostly, that people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish substantial material about it in reliable sources.

If you write so much as one word of an article before finding such sources, you are probably wasting your time.

NOte that official documents such as trademark registrtations, anything from the company, anything on social media, are irrelevant for this purpose. You need to check each source you intend to use against all three criteria in the golden rule. ColinFine (talk) 10:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft

How can I see the list of Drafts I created? Wår (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

You can see [3] TheNuggeteer (talk) 07:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@War Term Here you go. It shows articles that you've since moved to the mainspace, but they're obviously marked. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 07:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@GreenLipstickLesbian

@TheNuggeteer

I appreciate but what did you guys enter in the search bar to see those lists. I wish to learn and implement them myself? I don't want to come here again asking the same question over and over. Wår (talk) 07:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@War Term Sure, no problem. The Nuggeteer used an external site called Xtools, which allows you to enter a username and see what they've done on Wikipedia. I'm afraid I'm no good at navigating it, but it's fun to play around with.

I chose to go through the internal Special:Contributions page. Once there, there's a box saying "Username, IP address or CIDR range:". I put your username in in this case. Underneath that, there's an option to filter by namespace. "Namespace" is a word used on Wikipedia to describe what area something is in. You can tell what namespace something is in by the prefix. For example, Wikipedia:Teahouse starts with "Wikipedia:", so it's in the Wikipedia namespace. All drafts start with "Draft:", meaning they're in the draft namespace. So I clicked on the namespace filter and selected draft. There's another set of boxes that let you filter things by the date, whether the edit was marked as minor, or if the edit created a page, ect. Because I wanted to see what drafts you'd created, I ticked the box that said "Only show edits that are page creations". It's not as smart as Xtools, so it left in drafts you'd created and since moved to the main (or article) space. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Wow, I love the XTool more. Very cool and interesting to navigate. I am impressed. Wår (talk) 08:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Please, I have one more question. How can I know if a page is already reviewed by a Page reviewer and indexed on Wikipedia? @GreenLipstickLesbian: Wår (talk) 08:35, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@War Term When a page you created gets reviewed, you should get a notification. Past notifications can be viewed at Special:Notifications, if you accidentally click something away before you've read it properly. But, failing that, you can always go to a page, go to history, and then click on the button that says "View logs for this page". If a page has been reviewed, it will show up there. (That page also shows if the page has previously been deleted, or if any revisions on the page were deleted due to copyright or other major issues). Any page that goes unreviewed for 3 months automatically becomes indexed. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@GreenLipstickLesbian

Wow, you have literally answered my questions. I have learnt more from you than I learnt from my automatically assigned Mentor who has been inactive for sometime now.

I am making you my Mentor and I will be reaching you on your talk page from time to time. My Username remains War Term. Wår (talk) 09:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Fixing Participant page on Wikiproject

I am trying to reanimate the Wikipedia:WikiProject Corruption following an editathon last month. The project page had been dormant for years and I am now updating it. One problem is that the "Participants list" on the Wiki project page doesnt work and I cannot figure out the code behind it. Specifically, users cannot add themselves when pressing the "Participate" button. Can this be fixed or is there an easier way to manage participation in the project? Rxnd (talk) 07:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Rxnd. The "Participate" button at Wikipedia:WikiProject Corruption and "Join WikiProject" button at Wikipedia:WikiProject Corruption/Members apparently rely on a page that was never created at MediaWiki:Gadget-formWizard/WikiProject Corruption/Join. I have created it now but it requires a change by an interface administrator. I have made a request at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-formWizard/WikiProject Corruption/Join. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rxnd: The requested change has been made and I get a form on the buttons now. I haven't tried to use the form but I guess it works. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! It seems to be working now. Rxnd (talk) 16:04, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rxnd You should probably also consider removing from the full participant list all those editors who've not actually edited for some years - there's quite a lot of them! I tend to feel that showing relatively few currently active editors actually reflects better on a WikiProject than listing everyone who has ever signed up. If you wish, you could even raise that as a suggestion on the Project's talk page to generate smoe interaction. (Send me a large amount of money in a brown envelope, and I'll gladly do that for you!) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Image size in infobox

Just added a seat distribution diagram to the infobox at Senate (France). What can I do to increase the size of the image? GOLDIEM J (talk) 08:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Add to the end of the image |(size you want)px]], you can try to expirement and put the size you like the most. TheNuggeteer (talk) 08:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@TheNuggeteer: That won't work: it's not just an image, but a parameter to {{Infobox legislature}}.

@GOLDIEM J: If you look at the {{Infobox legislature}} documentation, you'll see that the parameters include:

• structure1 – image name for diagram of the political structure of house1
• structure1_res – width in pixels for structure1 image (Optional); defaults to 120px due to a setting in template
• structure1_alt – alternative text for structure1 image

You have set structure1 = Senate (France).svg. To set a width for the image, you need to set structure1_res to your required value; for example structure1_res = 240. You will show appreciation for WP:ACCESSIBILITY if you also add structure1_alt to describe the image for readers unable to see it; for example, structure1_alt = Diagram showing the seat distribution in the Senate of France by political party Bazza 7 (talk) 10:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry; I misunderstood TheNuggeteer (talk) 10:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@TheNuggeteer: No problem. It's tricky when infoboxes all have their own little quirks; using the term "resolution" to mean "width" is bizarre. Bazza 7 (talk) 11:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you x GOLDIEM J (talk) 11:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Updating a page while retaining proper attribution

I've been working with another user (Pete Nelson from UKY) to create an improved version of an article in userspace. (For specifics, the article to be improved is Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy and the userspace draft is User:WikiDan61/LATE). I've checked with WP:WikiProject Medicine and have received at positive (not rousing, but at least positive) reception regarding the current state of the draft. I'd like to merge the contents of this user-space draft into the mainspace article while properly giving attribution to Pete Nelson for his contributions in the draft space. How do I go about doing that? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Vis-a-vis Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy, last month User:Pete Nelson from UKY completely rewrote the article, in the process deleting all but one of the references and adding his own sci journal articles as references. His efforts were correctly reverted. He should review Wikipedia:Expert editors and WP:SELFCITE. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

As for the draft now at User:WikiDan61/LATE I am guessing/hoping that it includes the references that are in the existing article. Large chunks of text are not referenced, and of greater concern, I counted 17 of the 65 refs as having P Nelson as first author. I strongly recommend that the two of you collaborate on a revision that has all content referenced and as few as possible citations of Nelson et al. As for acknowledging contributions, Wikipedia does not do that in articles. I suppose on the Talk page of the article, you could add a new section stating that Nelson contributed to the revisions. David notMD (talk) 13:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi thanks David notMD. I wrote the previous version as well. I can cull “my” references and add others? In terms of editorial attribution, I think WikiDan61 was just talking about the edit log. 128.163.238.97 (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Little stuff: Reference numbers are to be placed after punctuation. Sci article publication dates are month and year, as in May 2024, not 2024-05. Authors in journal refs are last name and initials rather than full first name. A shortcut: enter a PMID number into https://tools.wmflabs.org/citation-template-filling/cgi-bin/index.cgi and it generates a reference. I sam not against improving medical/health articles (I have raised several to Good Article status in my area of expertise), but the more common practice is to incrementally improve the existing article rather than replace entirety. I understand how the latter approach can be attractive when so much needs to be improved. Lastly, Wikipedia recommends "BRD", meaning be Bold in your edits, but if Reverted, take the dispute to the Talk page of the article for a Discussion-effort to reach consensus. Many articles have multiple 'watchers' who have set an option so that when they log in they are notified of any edits to articles they watch. There is no ownership, per se, but there can be strong opinions as to what is correct. David notMD (talk) 13:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD.

I actually edited the wikipedia page to conform with Wikipedia standard page formatting for disease (it was like an essay, before and was rated to be basically substandard for that reason. Honestly the basic substance of the page is not that different, it's the same disease.)

Some of the references in the revised page are redundant, i.e., they're the same ref but given different numbers. I don't know how to clean that up?

Thanks again,

Pete Nelson Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 16:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pete Nelson from UKY For replacing cites used multiple times with a single reference, see WP:NAMED. The template {{rp}} can be useful if you have, say, a book source and are quoting from different pages at different places in your text. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hm thanks but I couldn't figure that out, it's very complicated-seeming. There must be an easier way to recognize and consolidate duplicated references?

Thanks again,

Pete Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 17:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pete Nelson from UKY, Michael D. Turnbull, and David notMD: I've updated the page for citation style issues (duplicates; WP:REFPUNCT; display authors). I hope that helps. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much WikiDan61! I updated the page, added new citations. Now there is broader coverage of references. 128.163.238.97 (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@128.163.238.97 and Pete Nelson from UKY: Thanks, but I do wish you'd learn how to properly format citation dates and duplicate citations. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Argh did I do it wrong? I thought that the point of the visual editor mode was to make it so dummies like me could add and edit entries? 128.163.238.97 (talk) 20:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@128.163.238.97 and Pete Nelson from UKY: If you see red error text in your citations, they should be fixed. Specifically, the date format "yyyy-mm" is not valid. "yyyy-mm-dd" is valid, but if there is no specific day of publication (only a month), then it must be formatted as "<Month name> <year>". Also, per WP:REFPUNCT, citations always follow punctuation, not precede it. (The result should look like this,¹ not this².) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again WikiDan61! I made the recommended changes, see what you think? Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 01:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

FYI for anyone late to the show: This is about User:WikiDan61/LATE, which is being proposed as a complete replacement of Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy. One unresolved issue us that at least 12 refs, some used multiple times, are co-authored by Pete Nelson, a person involved in replacing the original article. Wikipedia:Expert editors and WP:SELFCITE were mentioned earlier in this posting. David notMD (talk) 02:50, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hi, thanks for this…to clarify, I am wrote the prior page also and the reason I’m replacing that page is to conform with Wikipedia formatting specs. And yes there are refs cited that I’m a coauthor of but the refs most frequently cited are consensus papers with a lot of other superb coauthors. 74.136.40.218 (talk) 11:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

• wrote, not am wrote

74.136.40.218 (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

So...can we please swop in the updated version of the web page, from WikiDan61's site? Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 14:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

television logo

So I was deciding to upload an image of Rai News 24 Spotlight program (which is an investigative journalism program) onto my draft that I have created for this program as I think it is notable from my point of view. Should I upload this to the Wikipedia Commons or should it be uploaded for just the Wikipedia English only?

Below is a link to it: https://www.raiplay.it/resizegd/1200x675/dl/img/2022/12/16/1671213693689_spotlight_2048x1152_logo.jpg Soafy234 (talk) 12:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Soafy234 only on enwiki as a non free upload. – robertsky (talk) 13:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

That being said, upload only after your draft has been moved to the mainspace as nonfree images are not allowed in the draftspace. – robertsky (talk) 13:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

FA?

what is a FA? I know GA is good article but FA? Palisades1 (talk) 16:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Palisades1 Welcome to the Teahouse. FA pages are nominated and go through a tough selection process as the very best examples of our articles, known as 'Featured Articles'. See WP:FA for details. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Palisades1 (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Compare criteria Good v. Featured article, which @Chipmunkdavis/CMD directed me to at WT:GA a few months ago. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Editing

Am I allowed to edit pages? I'm a historian and want to add a few things to a few pages. Gregbrooking (talk) 19:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I am a new user too but as far as I can tell anyone can edit it. It’s right there in the tag line: Wikipedia the free encyclopaedia that anyone can edit 22FatCats (talk) 19:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Gregbrooking, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, almost anybody is allowed to edit most articles, and I encourage you to read Help:Introduction, and get started.

A couple of points I will make:

1. Our ideal is that everything in an article is cited to a reliable published source. This is not always the case for older articles (and finding and adding missing sources is a really really valuable thing to do), but if you add information without citing a source, it is quite likely to be reverted. See WP:REFB for how to cite sources.
2. Make sure you don't infringe anybody's copyright. When appropriate, you can explicitly quote a short passage from a source (and attribute it), but in general you should summarise in your own words what the sources say.
3. Original research is not permitted: you may add material from a single reliable published source, but should not add your own arguments, conclusions or discoveries, or even synthesize information from multiple sources.
4. Wikipedia works on consensus, and editors often disagree about what should go into an article. Please don't be upset if somebody reverts an edit of yours: see BRD for how collaboration is supposed to work.

ColinFine (talk) 20:48, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Including a template in a link works here but not in articlespace

Is it possible to include a template in the display text of a link? Specifically, I am trying to render the following:

[[:/æ/ raising|extreme raising of {{IPA|/æ/}}]]

What's weird is, on this particular page, this produces a functioning link: extreme raising of /æ/. However, in articlespace, it produces broken output; see, for example, this page; Ctrl+F search for "extreme raising of" to locate the relevant bit of text. The corresponding diff is here; you can see I used the exact same wikitext as above—in fact, I copy-pasted it here to produce the link at the beginning of this paragraph.

What gives?

n.b.: The initial colon in the link is due to the slash; see Wikipedia:Articles with slashes in title Brusquedandelion (talk) 20:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Brusquedandelion, and welcome to the Teahouse. This behaviour is documented at Template:IPA. Adding |cat=no should fix it. ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Photo in infobox

Hello. How can I add a photo in the Infobox section of my page? Np3 1997 (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

on User:Np3_1997/sandbox you are using {{Infobox_company}} which does not have an option for images. it does have a parameter for logos, but non-free images are not allowed outside of articles. Please note that Wikipedia is not for promotion. RudolfRed (talk) 22:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Np3 1997: The above reply is incorrect. See Template:Infobox company for how to display a photo or other image in the infobox with the |image= parameter. The image has to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons or the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

thanks for the correction, I only looked at the "short version" RudolfRed (talk) 22:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I'll make sure to upload it to the Wikimedia Commons first. Np3 1997 (talk) 22:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Suggesting articles for improvement?

Hello! Is there a way to suggest or nominate particular articles for improvement? I've put a lot of work into a couple pages, but they still need lots of work that I don't have the time or energy for. I know there are no deadlines on WP, so it's not exactly an urgent matter, but these pages are culturally important and I would love to see them get some serious attention from editors besides myself. Wafflewombat (talk) 22:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

That's perhaps a job for the relevant WikiProject(s); but most WikiProjects are either more or less moribund or already have requests like yours, or both. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Just out of curiosity, was there ever a Golden Age of Wikipedia, when WikiProjects were not moribund? Wafflewombat (talk) 02:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

There was an age when even English-language Wikipedia was young and perhaps more exciting than it is now, and when WikiProjects can be said to have flourished. But -- however understandably and excusably, given the circumstances -- a high percentage of the articles were crap. Back then, perhaps Wikipedia glistered, but it was hardly golden. -- Hoary (talk) 02:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: That's a good question. Wikipedia generally felt more lively before c. 2011, but I don't remember if that translated to WikiProjects specifically. The number of active editors fell by a third between 2009 and 2014 and has since remained roughly the same, but the number of WikiProjects has increased. It stands to reason that less people spread over more projects would lead to a loss of activity. On the other hand, there are projects that have managed to remain active (e.g. WP:MILHIST, WP:MED), including some created after 2014 (e.g. WP:WOMRED). You really need a proactive core group to keep them going and I suspect that the majority of WikiProjects just never had that. – Joe (talk) 19:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Six Flags

I am becoming concerned that the person who opened a discussion about a potential move for Six Flags , is not following procedure. He has continued to time and time again to count the for move and against move as a vote, which goes against WP: Vote. He also plans to close the article himself, with what seems to be the attention of moving the Article. Therefore I am requesting here that a neutral party close the discussion soon. Please help for the sake of neutrality and integrity. BigRed606 (talk) 22:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @BigRed606, welcome to the Teahouse. The place to ask for an uninvolved editor to close a discussion is Wikipedia:Closure requests. (And behavioral complaints should go to WP:ANI.) 57.140.16.8 (talk) 13:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Need more experienced users to publish my draft

I am trying to translate this Chinese page to English： https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-tw/%E9%A6%AC%E7%B1%B3%E9%AB%98

I appreciate your help! Bilibala0088 (talk) 04:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Bilibala0088, you made one edit to User:Bilibala0088/Michael_MMG and five minutes later posted the request above. A bot later fixed your Mediawiki syntax errors: was that the help that you'd hoped experienced users would provide? If no it wasn't, and you were and are instead hoping that experienced users will complete the translation, add internal links, make sure that what look like references really are references, etc etc, then I should warn you that this is not likely to happen. If OTOH you have a specific, minor request, or a question about how to accomplish this or that, then feel free to post it here. -- Hoary (talk) 08:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bilibala0088: welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

Creating a new article is one of the most challenging tasks there is in Wikipedia, and I always advise new editors to not even think of doing so until they have spent a few weeks or months learning about how Wikipedia works by working on improving existing articles.

You might think that translating an article from another language Wikipedia is easier: occasionally it might be, but often it is really no different. A large part of this is because English Wikipedia is stricter than many about its standards for sourcing information. I don't read Chinese, so I don't know the quality of the sources in zh-tw:馬米高; but I observe that the section 簡歷, which I think means "biography" has very few citations in it. In English Wikipedia, biographies of living people require extensive citations. And if you take an existing text (translation or otherwise) and try to add citations afterwards, your job will be very much harder than if you worked from the sources (see BACKWARDS).

So, my advice would be to put this aside until you have an understanding of core policies such as reliable sources, independent sources, neutral point of view, and notability. Then read translation and your first article, and give it a try. ColinFine (talk) 09:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Citing translated books

When citing a book, particularly in sfn, would I use the date it was originally published or the translated date? Also, how would you add the translated date to the source in references? Thank you. Dantus21 (talk) 11:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I would use the translated date for the sfn since it appears first in the full citation. You can use the orig-date parameter in the cite book template to specify the original publication date. Example below:

Mysterious English Translated Book. November 1901 [Danish original publication: December 1899].

{{cite book |title=Mysterious Book |date=November 1901| orig-date=Danish original publication: December 1899}}

References

Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Dantus21 (talk) 16:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:School board members

Shouldn't this be a subcategory of Category:board members? I always wondered why that category doesn't exist when we have dozens of categories with "board members" in the title Trade (talk) 11:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Trade. Welcome to the Teahouse. I can't imagine anyone being interested in such a vague category. A "board" means different things in different contexts, per board. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

There must be something in common Trade (talk) 13:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:School board members, Category:Members of district health boards in New Zealand and Category:Provincial board members in the Philippines looks a little too diverse to me. Maybe if a category was limited to boards of an organization. By the way, I found Category:Grey's Anatomy task force administrative board members. Wow, we have an administrative board for editors of a specific TV series. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The phrase "board member" to me immediately conjures up the idea of a member of the board of directors of a company, i.e. a director. While there are other kinds of board (boards of governors, boards of trustees etc) I would not use or understand the phrase in those senses unless the context had already established what kind of board we were talking abou.t ColinFine (talk) 10:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Red Link

Hi - I'm trying to add a Red Link to 'Pero Jones' on the Pero's Bridge page, because the bridge is named after him, and he needs his own page as there is a lot of published information about him, which is unusual for an enslaved person in Bristol at that time. I'm planning to do this in the not too distant future. But when I put in the double brackets round his name it creates a hyperlink to the Pero's Bridge page, and I can't work out why it does that, or how to give it the red link. Help me please!

Hope that makes sense. Ruthhenrietta (talk) 14:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ruthhenrietta the reason it links back to the Pero's Bridge article, is that Pero Jones is currently a redirect to the bridge article. Click on Pero Jones and than look at the very top of the Pero's Bridge page and it should say "(Redirected from Pero Jones)". If you click on that link it will take you to the redirect, which explains the link is

With possibilities: This is a redirect from a title that potentially could be expanded into a new article or other type of associated page such as a new template. The topic described by this title may be more detailed than is currently provided on the target page or in a section of that page.

We don't want a circular redirect whilst there is no article on Pero Jones, but that description should encourage you to consider creating such an article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Ruthhenrietta (talk) 15:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Ruthhenrietta. Pero Jones is a redirect to Pero's Bridge because he has a significant mention there and doesn't have his own article. It for example helps users who search information about him by entering his name in the search box. It also means he can be linked in other articles like History of Bristol#Slave trade. But a link in Pero's Bridge is unhelpful if it just redirects back to the page itself. I have used {{no self-redirect|Pero Jones}}.[4] This omits a link when it would redirect back to the page but makes a link if it becomes an article or a redirect to a different article. The redirect is appropriate now but see Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects if you want to make an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that and explaining clearly. I might have to come back to you at the point when I make the page... I'm still learning! Ruthhenrietta (talk) 15:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ruthhenrietta. While it is possible to create an article by simply editing the redirect page, I would advise against doing it this way unless you are confident that you can in your first edit create something that meets the basic requirements for sourcing and establishing notability. Generally it is better to create the new article as a draft, and then either submit it for review, or (if you are confident it will pass review) making a move request to move your draft over the redirect. ColinFine (talk) 10:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

How may I create an article?

This may come off as stupid, but how can I create one? Cyb3rstarzzz (talk) 14:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Cyb3rstarzzz, reading WP:Your First Article should teach you all you need to know to get started. 👍 Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Help me please

How to move this page from Draft page to Main page [[5]] . Can anyone help me with this? I don't understand what custom means here as Reason. Nilpriyo (talk) 14:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Nilpriyo Hello. You need to click the blue "submit your draft for review!" button in the box at the top of your draft to submit it. I'll provide a courtesy link to it that does not lock people into the mobile version: Draft:Akash Kusum (TV series) 331dot (talk) 14:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok But I am not very familiar with these things. Nilpriyo (talk) 14:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you click on the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page? That is really the only remaining step. When that person moved the article from the "Main" space to the "Draft" space, the edit explanation was just not changed from the default "Reason/s: custom reason." Ornov Ganguly (talk) 15:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Sir, you help me a little to know these things. Nilpriyo (talk) 15:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Just press submit and you're all done if you want to keep things simple. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 16:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining Nilpriyo (talk) 17:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Samsung DeX

Does Wikipedia support Samsung DeX? AndroidEnthusiast (talk) 18:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi AndroidEnthusiast. Wikipedia can be accessed from any device or operating system capable of running a web browser. I'm not familiar with Samsung DeX but it appears to be one of them. – Joe (talk) 19:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@AndroidEnthusiast See Samsung DeX. The technology is a way to add standard desktop features like a keyboard, mouse and monitor to your phone. The actual software used to access WP will be whatever you would use from the phone itself, usually a browser or various apps. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

What am I doing wrong with this ordered list?

In the process of expanding an article and am struggling to determine what I'm doing wrong with this ordered list. It seems fine, but whenever I try to review changes or see a preview of it, the list is invisible. Clearly, I goofed somewhere, but for the life of me can't see where. Although currently invisible, the ordered list is pasted below in wikitext. Help, please? Thank you!

—CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: You have not followed the instruction at {{Ordered list}} which states that "equal signs (=) must be escaped or replaced with {{=}}". Replace the = signs in each item with {{=}}; so ({{music|quarter}} = 72) becomes ({{music|quarter}} {{=}} 72). Bazza 7 (talk) 19:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, my friend!!! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about sources

Hi everyone,

I created a page Draft:Left Angle and it was initially declined for the sources, so I read the information about in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent sources and resubmitted the article with new sources a few times but it keeps getting rejected.

I really want to get it right and have even used the template below to try and organize and analyze the sources in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines. Could someone help me better understand which of my sources (if not all of them) don't meet the requirements and why? Since I don't know if they just all don't meet the requirements or if some are ok, I would like to continue to work and improve on the article starting with the ones that are deemed ok.

Thank you!

p.s. I have attached the source assess template below but it does not display correctly :/ sorry

Source assessment table: prepared by User:Example

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.presences-grenoble.fr/actualites-start-grenoble/left-angle-le-compositing-portee-de-tous.htm	Physical and online magazine article. Magazine is informational; no sponsorship	Published by Grenoble Chamber of Commerce and Industry	Significant coverage provides an overview and description of the company in accordance with Wikipedia terms	✔ Yes
https://www.cgchannel.com/2023/01/check-out-next-gen-motion-design-and-vfx-tool-autograph/	Website provides independent reporting and reviews - no affiliates or sponsored articles	Published online news coverage	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview, description, and commentary on the company and product	✔ Yes
https://www.pids-enghien.fr/genie-awards-2015/?lang=en	Official website for the awards event	Official website for the awards event	Published information includes event and award description with photo of company member with the award	✔ Yes
https://mediakwest.com/les-laureats-de-la-1ere-edition-des-digital-creation-genie-awards/	Online magazine for audiovisual professionals; not sponsored	Published online news content	Published information includes event and award description with photo of company member with the award	✔ Yes
https://biotechinfo.fr/article/france-2030-241-laureats-recompenses-lors-de-la-ceremonie-2021-2022-des-concours-dinnovation-de-letat/	Online published collection of in-depth articles on science and society; no affiliation or sponsorship	Online published collection of in-depth articles on science and society	Article provides an in-depth description of award type the company received	✔ Yes
https://www.entreprises.gouv.fr/fr/france-2030/concours-d-innovation-trois-volets-i-phd-i-lab-et-i-nov	Official government website for research & development and innovation awards	Published government website	In-depth description description of award type the company received	✔ Yes
https://origin.80.lv/articles/autograph-motion-design-visual-effects-tool/	Article was not sponsored	Article published by a global digital content publishing network	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview and description of the company and product	✔ Yes
https://beforesandafters.com/2023/06/19/the-left-angle-founders-discuss-new-comp-and-mograph-tool-autograph/	Podcast not sponsored by Left Angle or distributors	Online, podcast and print publication dedicated to VFX, animation, CG, games and virtual production run by longtime industry	In-depth feature and description of the company and product	✔ Yes
https://www.cgchannel.com/2023/03/left-angle-launches-autograph-creator/	Website provides independent reporting and reviews - no affiliates or sponsored articles	Published online news coverage	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview, description, and commentary on the company and product.	✔ Yes
https://www.xda-developers.com/best-alternatives-to-popular-adobe-apps/	Article not sponsored	Computing publication	~ Lengthy article featuring alternatives to Adobe products with a short feature on Autograph	~ Partial
https://www.cgchannel.com/2023/12/left-angle-releases-autograph-2023-11/	Website provides independent reporting and reviews - no affiliates or sponsored articles	Published online news coverage	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview, description, and commentary on the company and product.	✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Nanou41 (talk) 20:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Fixed syntax of the table. See also Template:Source assess#Example. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The sources in the table match the references in the draft version declined by the most recent reviewer. David notMD (talk) 20:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The awards are minor (two refs), and the last four refs are about the software, not the company, hence do not contribute to establish the notability of the company. All in all, this is probably too soon (WP:TOOSOON). David notMD (talk) 20:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this! Nanou41 (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Lyrics in article

Are lyrics allowed in song articles? I know a guide to line dancing songs such as Cha Cha Slide is not allowed as Wikipedia isn't a guide. Cwater1 (talk) 21:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Generally not, as they are copyrighted. More information is available at MOS:LYRICS and WP:LYRICS. Some portions can be used for analysis and illustrating specific points, but not the whole song. LizardJr8 (talk) 21:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Ahh, I see, makes sense. We don't want to do something unauthorized. Thanks for the help. I was wondering. Cwater1 (talk) 22:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Infoboxes

How can I put infoboxes on my draft? Can I even? An answer to this would be very helpful thank you! WikiPhil012 (talk) 22:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Click on "Insert" button. From there, a dropdown menu will appear. Then click on "Templates". You will be asked to enter the name of the template. Here is an article about templates that I think will be useful to you on deciding which info box is best for your draft that you are currently writing on: Wikipedia:Templates. Soafy234 (talk) 22:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Alternatively: Find an article on a similar subject, WikiPhil012. (If your draft is about a soccer player, find an article about a soccer player. Et cetera.) Act as if about to edit its source. Copy the relevant infobox. Cancel the edit. Paste the infobox into your draft. Edit the content of the infobox. Note that addition of an infobox helps neither to demonstrate the notability of the subject of your draft nor to show that the draft merits promotion to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks you for the help. You both made my Wikipedia experience better. WikiPhil012 (talk) 23:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

NPP or page review request

Hello, I just spent some time working on this page, about a notable (but sadly deceased subject) and wanted to ask if any NPP's are online to review it? Here is the page: Michael Lehrer

If the page is not ready, feel free to draftify and I will submit as an AfC. If it seems good, asking for this to be reviewed and indexed as the subject is a quite notable and prolific individual in comedy and ALS history.

Thanks (sorry if this isn't the place to post this) Comintell (talk) 00:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Comintell: Currently, WP:NPP has a backlog of 12724 articles. Just be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 02:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

IP blocks technical question

I was editing on en.Wikipedia today and used my iPad tethered to my iPhone via Blue tooth. I could edit with my iPhone but not with my iPad, getting the message, ~ ip blocked as anonymizing relay. Was it a config error on my part? Back at home, no problem with either device connected to my LAN with persistent IP address. Thanks for any answers or other direction to help. — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 00:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC) —

@Neonorange: Might be due to " iCloud Private Relay" Wikipedia:Open_proxies RudolfRed (talk) 02:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

That may not apply. I just saw you mention bluetooth connection. RudolfRed (talk) 02:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

RudolfRed thank you for replying—so quickly and on the nose. According to the message; probably some mistake on my part—there was an open proxy guest account at the location. I can not see any real reason for editing being possible on the iPhone and not on the tethered iPad.
— Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 02:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC) —

I see an error on kamala harris page. It says she was born 1964 and at age of 19, in 1958.... "She moved to the United States from India as a 19-year-old graduate student in 1958," however the math says 1964 plus 19 is 1983

I see an error on kamala harris page. It says she was born 1964 and at age of 19, in 1958.... "She moved to the United States from India as a 19-year-old graduate student in 1958," however the math says 1964 plus 19 is 1983 147.81.37.181 (talk) 06:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I think you've misread it. It says that her mother moved to the USA in 1958. Valenciano (talk) 06:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Maybe that sentence could be made clearer, it is obvious when you read it in context of that paragraph but if you got there by, for instance, searching in-article for the word 'India' then you might not realise that it's not talking about Harris. Sentences getting pulled out of context is a pretty common issue, like it or not. -- D'n'B-t -- 11:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Aragonese isn't spanish

The @ was first used in Aragon, in an aragonese text (the Taula de Ariza). Not in spanish, aragonese, yet it was discriminated against by JMF, who belives Aragonese to be a simple dialect of Spanish.

At sign this is the page where it is wrongly claimed the Taula de Ariza is spanish and here User talk:JJBBSS 02 is where JMF discriminates against Aragonese. JJBBSS 02 (talk) 09:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

The current edition of the article appears to correctly identify the document as having been written in Aragonese. This appears to be a content dispute over the "has commonly been used in X,Y,Z", where JMF is not suggesting that the terms are interchangeable but that Spanish deserves the weight in that sentence, which I'd concur with. Its not so much about leaving in Aragonese, but that leaving out Spanish would be an odd choice. -- D'n'B-t -- 09:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive?

Hi there,

I would like to find out why I'm getting this message?

"Hello, I'm TornadoLGS. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Bill Gibson (music producer) have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)"

I was hoping to place me entire history of my old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST on Wikipedia but I cant seem to find the right way of marking it up.

- Human genealogy project - Christian Life to give hope in Jesus Christ - The LORD has really put on my heart to write this article, what must I do to better write the article (tools etc.)?

Kind regards, Reinhard Behrens 102.182.3.200 (talk) 09:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I presume this is a logged out edit by User talk:ReinhardGBehrens1977. Theroadislong (talk) 09:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

First of all, please log in when editing. I'm not sure I understand your original question, but your edit is considered hijacking and is prohibited. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

And for the record Wikipedia has zero interest in your "entire history of my old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST" UNLESS it has been reported on with significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Here is the set of your edits that, as TornadoLGS said (with remarkable understatement), "did not appear constructive". What must you do "to better write the article" presenting the "entire history of [your] old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST"? First step: Find some other website for the purpose. -- Hoary (talk) 11:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Directory of alternative outlets '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for Analysis and Improvement Suggestions for Wikipedia Draft on Shri Dharm Paul

I hope this email finds you well. My name is Kunal Masson, and I am working on creating a Wikipedia article about Shri Dharm Paul. He was a notable figure who passed away in 1990, and unfortunately, there is limited information and references about him available on the internet. I have drafted an article based on the available information, but I am seeking your assistance to review the draft and provide feedback on any mistakes or areas that need improvement. As I aim to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines and standards, your expert advice will be invaluable. Given the scarcity of online references, I have relied on printed materials and personal accounts to compile the draft. I understand the importance of verifiability and reliable sources on Wikipedia and would appreciate any suggestions on how to better source the information or improve the article's credibility. Please find the draft attached to this email for your review. Thank you very much for your time and assistance. I look forward to your feedback and suggestions.

Best regards,

Kunal Masson

Draft Link:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shri_Dharm_Paul Kunalmasson (talk) 11:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kunalmasson: Please be patient. Articles for Creation's reviewers will get to it when they can. That being said, you will have to find independent, reliable sources to support information in your draft. Print sources are fine, but personal accounts are not going to help you establish notability. If there aren't enough reliable sources about Shri Dharm Paul, then he may not be notable enough for a Wikipedia article about him. Please see the first decline reason in the draft. Cheers ‍Relativity ⚡️ 11:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Quote: Is. So that all suffering and destitute people can experience their sorrow and deprivation and help them with compassion and love.When a true and selfless resolution arises in the mind of a person and he discharges that resolution with full faith and discipline, then this mission becomes a manifestation of God Himself and God Himself takes charge of this work. The continuous growth and development of Sunshine Charity Trust is a living proof of this. According to which reliable source? -- Hoary (talk) 11:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kunalmasson: you asked this at the AfC help desk, and I answered. You then came here to ask the same question. And then you went back to the AfC help desk to ask the same again. Generally it would be preferred if you asked only at one venue, and read the reply before asking again. This would enable us to provide help more efficiently and without duplicating efforts. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

New page not allowing me to submit

Hello,

I have spent a few days editing a page I am planning to submit on behalf of a nonprofit I am working with. However, when I pressed the publish button I received this message: No stashed content found for 0/5b8aef10-37da-11ef-9430-cbf7fca7eb8e

What can I do to fix this? Thank you SulerLu (talk) 14:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SulerLu, welcome to the Teahouse. That error tends to pop up when the Visual Editor is left open for too long. You can try copying your content elsewhere, either into a text editor on your device or into Visual Editor in a separate browser tab, so that your work isn't lost. Then be sure to "save" often, rather than editing in one long continuous session. 57.140.16.8 (talk) 14:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you I was able to copy it into another browser tab and resubmit it for review. SulerLu (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources on wikipedia page

Hi! I am wondering how to fix my article to have it approved, this is my second round editing, I have included more secondary and strictly independent sources. I am looking for some more insight on this if at all possible! Thank you. Racheldelaney (talk) 14:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Racheldelaney/sandbox --ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Racheldelaney You might like to read WP:SOLUTIONS to see one type of problem. I'm afraid that the current draft makes the company look like a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL case. What makes it wikinotable? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Renaming an article based on product name change

I'm not familiar with the guidelines on renaming an article based on product name change. This has come up at Ecolego from (paid, pending disclosure) editor Boriswe. Can anyone just rename it? What discussion should take place first? Should a reliable secondary source be provided to document the change in the product name? All advice appreciated. Thanks. _signed, Willondon (talk) 15:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Willondon. The relevant policy is WP:COMMONNAME. Worth noting is that Twitter is at its original title, over 11 months after it was renamed to X. Cullen328 (talk) 15:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer. Re Twitter, everybody's probably just waiting for the Xilliness to pass. Worst. Rebrand. Ever. I refuse to call it "X", and I suspect a lot of people are of the same mind. _signed, Willondon (talk) 18:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Long Beach Airport (LGB) edit problem

Hello and good day. Go to above article, go to the infobox at top of article on right hand side, go into the edit window for the infobox, do you see entries for helipads H2 thru H5, I deleted helipads H1 and H6 because they dont exist anymore, so what is there now, I want to appear in the infobox, but its not appearing. Need help fixing. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Theairportman33531: I'm half-guessing here, but I think it requires the first one to be numbered h1, otherwise it won't display them at all? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Template:Infobox airport#Helipads says so. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you were absolutely correct on the issue. Problem solved. Have a great day!Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

How to find DYK "new" articles?

I've always wanted to put an article in the Do you Know section, but I have no idea how to find eligible articles. The criteria is very strict: in the past week, the article has to either have been expanded five-fold, been created, or nominated to good article status.

What is an easy way to find a "new" article I find interest in to nominate for DYK? Coulomb1 (talk) 15:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Nominators are usually people who have created or improved articles that they are nominating. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 15:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Coulomb1 New pages are logged at Special:NewPages. Some won't survive the new pages patrol but you should be able to find lots that will. As advised, it would be unusual to nominate one yourself but you could certainly ask its main author on their Talk Page whether they had thought of doing so and offer help. Suggesting a good "hook" would be a useful contribution, for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Use of a self-published newsletter for proof of affiliation?

On the page regarding the activist Carlos Fernandes, I used the newsletter from the AIDS and Rights Alliance for Southern Africa (ARASA) to prove he had affiliation with that organization. Is this use of a self-published source ok? I figured a source from the organization itself would be able to support whether or not he had any affiliation with them. On the identifying self-published works page it says "A self-published work may be used as a source when the statement concerns the source itself." Would that be applicable in this situation? Thanks. Urchincrawler (talk) 17:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Possible 'new knowledge' post

I have the forum post cleaned up as an article to be posted. the forum post can be looked at(see below).

I have possible 'new knowledge' and am trying to get this knowledge

out to the public.

https://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewforum.php?id=2 then look for

“Possible ‘new knowledge’ by woodturner550

Is this proper to post and any guidance would be helpful. Woodturner550 (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

No original research is allowed here. Your forum post is best disseminated on some other more suitable platform actively soliciting such material. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)