User talk:HJ Mitchell

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Archived discussions: up to 11 October, 2009; 14 October to 7 December, 2009; 7-30 December, 2009; 30 December, 2009- 7 February, 2010; Feb/March 2010

Giles Deacon II

Blimey, your talk page is getting long!I was just wondering whether to nominate Deacon now, or wait until you're a little less busy? Also, when you contact members on Flickr to ask them if they would change the license for an image, do you ask them in the comment box under the image? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, I'll have to archive it at some point. It's starting to get ridiculously long. Again! If you think the article's ready, by all mean nominate it. It could be a few days before I can get round to it (I've currently got my own GAN waiting, 5 open reviews and I'm helping out at 2 FACs!) but there are lots of good reviewers at GAN so it shouldn't be a problem if someone beats me to it. As for Flickr, I copy the URL of the pic and send the note on my subpage via Flickr mail. You have to click on the name of the uploader, then go to their profile and click the envelope to send them a message. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I just have to work out what category to place the nomination under. I know I asked at GAN, but I've completely forgotten what the answer was! What article have you got waiting? Btw, I have my first DYK! It's sitting on the main page now. :) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice. I just wandered over to the MP to see it! My suggestion would be to put it under misc and leave a note on WT:GAN. Maybe one of the other regulars will find a place for it. Oh, and I've got Lindsay Lohan waiting. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I've just had a quick look through the archives at the GAN discussion page and found my question about where I should place Deacon's nom. One editor suggested either Art or Business, but I think I'm going to take your advice and place it under Misc. Hopefully it won't be too much work, once the review starts. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 23:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Damn, just had a look at the views for Portrait of Angel Fernandez de Soto while it was on the MP and it got 4000. Only 1000 more and I could have put it on the WP:DYKSTATS list. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:51, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Unlucky! It's not that big a deal, though- I have 6 DYK credits (+1 nom that I didn't write) and I don't think any of them got 5k views while they were up. 4k is pretty impressive for DYK anyway. Speaking of stats, check this out! Misc is probably the best place to put it since "art" is a bit to vague imho. I might raise that on the talk page at some point. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:12, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if you would have a quick look at The Princess and the Frog and let me know if you think it can be brought up to GA status and what it's big problems are. Oh, I found a userbox for you; {{User:RadicalOne/UBX Design/EditPatrol}}. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 23:38, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of DYK views, I've got 10 written, and 4 noms, and my highest view count is 3,300; so 4k is pretty good. (Then again, several of my DYK's were of the "Did you care?" variety that DYK gets lampooned for!) For Giles Deacon, the first thing I'd tell you to do if I opened that GA review would be to pick a date format and stick with it- your citations are all over the map in their dates. Princess could be a GA with a solid few days of work, but it's not there right now. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Are you stalking HJ's talk page? Lol. I am quite proud that my first DYK got that many views. I'll correct the dates in Deacon's article now, since I'm not doing anthing. If you're willing to take the GA review on, I would be very grateful. :) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice if you both to drop by! I like that userbox, I'll have to have it (not that I don't have enough already!). Princess is certainly a GA in the making- it looks a lot better than Inglourious Basterds did. I suggest you spend a few days working on it- find all the information you can and make any improvements you spot (you could ask 5 albert square if she'll run it over with AWB) and then at least you won't get any nasty surprises at the review. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

HJ, could you take a look at the ITN candidacy for the Nanping school stabbings? I've got that article refed, but it needs a quick copyedit, and I'm in one of those places where I'm blind to faults in my own writing tonight. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 02:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

 Done. I've been through and made some minor tweaks. I also added section headings, though feel free to take them out if you don't think they add anything. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! The section headers are good; I was struggling with the "wall of text" problem with the middle paragraph. The article looks a lot better now. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 03:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey HJ. I was just wondering if someone can have more than one article nominated at DYK? I created my tenth article a few minutes ago, Modern Rome - Campo Vaccino, and would like to nominate a fact from it, but I already have another article over there. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Ignore that, you can have more than one nomination at the same time. I think the fact about the painting will have more of a chance of making the main page, then the one about an episode of Ugly Betty. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 01:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

June, I remember seeing twenty-six articles in the same hook before! Don't worry about multiple nominations at DYK- nominate as fast as you can write. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Brad! HJ, this might come in handy for when you get round to the Michael Landy article. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 14:13, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Oooh, thank you! Landy is high on my to do list so hopefully I'll get round to him soon. I know nothing about art, but he's an interesting guy and I think he deserves a decent article. Trouble is, I've lost track of how many times my sig appears on WP:GAN and I've got Lily Cole up for PR, not to mention the 2 FACs I'm helping! I got distracted by Sir James Black the other day and got my 12th ITN for him. I reckon there's a potential future GA there, but I'll have to get it checked by someone who knows what they're talking about (I just scraped a C in GCSE chemistry and that was a few years ago!) first! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:39, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've just seen this poem and wow, that vandal has waaaaaay too much time on his hands. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

That's hilarious! That's the second funniest bit of vandalism I've ever seen! If someone wrote that for me, I;d stick it on my userpage! It's a shame that people like J.delanoy, Rodhullandemu and The Thing That Should Not Be get hassle like that- I think between the three of them, they must account for about half of all reverts made on enwiki (except the vandalism that crops up on my watchlist- I get almost all of that!). Ah well, some people have way to much time on their hands and nothing useful to contribute. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Some has agreed to change the license of an image of Giles on Flickr. It's not the best image in the world and it also happens to have Henry Holland in it, but it's free! Question is, what do I do next? How do I get it uploaded to the article (and maybe crop out Henry)? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 23:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Give me the URL, and I'll put it on Commons and crop it for you. I need to do some image work tonight anyway. If I get through HMS Princess Royal's GAN tonight, I'll take a look at Deacon, as well. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:46, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the easiest way to do it is to upload it to commons, who have a dedicated form for it. You'd have to upload the image, the whole image and nothing but the image (so help me god!) first and then think about cropping it. Do you have unified account (ie do you have the same username on Commons and all the other WMF projects)? If not, just create one there. You'll need to download the image to your computer the reupload it to commons via this form. It's quite simple really, but let me know if you get stuck. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, there's an easier way than that, but it requires an account on the toolserver. It's here, and a bot will do most of the work transferring over the license for you. Type, press a button, and press another button- you never have to download and upload the file )which can be a pain if the file is high resolution). You can then overwrite the file on Commons with the cropped version, and the licensing history will be fully preserved. (However, if you've never logged into Commons before, this will be the stumbling block- only autoconfirmed users can overwrite images over there.) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 12:04, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Cheers. I don't have an account on Toolserver but I suppose I could create one. I'm always hesitant to overwrite images since you never know what they might be useful for in future. June, What's the image? I had a browse on Flickr and the only CC images I could find were tagged as "non-commercial" which means they can't be used on WP. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Good God, your talk page has been archived. :P I've only just seen both of your replies, was trying to deal with the Paloma Faith Tour deletion discussion and work out whether to open a sock puppet report (which I've just done) last night. The image hasn't had its license changed yet as I saw the message late. The user wanted to know which one to change, since there are two images with the same name. I will let you know when it's been done. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 15:51, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, are you OK uploading it to commons or do you want me to do it? I decided to archive it since it was getting so bloody long I couldn't find anything! I've been working on Lily Cole but I'm going to have to do something else in a minute. As pretty as she is, I need a change of scenery before I get burnout! Speaking of Lily, Parnassus is out on DVD tommorow! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:17, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll probably ask you or Brad, which ever one of you is around at the time, to upload the image if you don't mind. I've been watching your work on Lily this weekend, the article is looking very good. I haven't seen Parnassus yet, once I've got a few other things sorted, I'll get round to watching it. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, well I'll be around for another couple of hours if you want me. I'll probably just be hovering on my watchlist for most of it. The article looks good at a glance but it needs a really thorough copyedit and it has that annoying tendency to just list her achievements. Ah well, I'm in no rush to get her to FA, but it would be nice to do one day. You should see Parnassus. It's the best film I've seen in a long time! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Christ, I thought your page had been vandalized when I that edit summary. Happy Wiki Birthday! I see that FA star on your user page too, now I want one. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 23:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I was a little bit excited! Thank you. It's strange seeing the silver badge there since the old one has been there since not long after I was entitled to it! I like the FA star but I'm determined to get that top row ridiculously long with FAs, GAs, DYKs and ITNs. Yours will come soon enough, I'm sure. Parnassus is out on DVD today so if my pre-ordered copy has arrived, I won't be on for a few hours! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

You're right about my FA star coming soon enough, I'm going to nominate this list for WP:FL. I've just changed and edited the table and infobox, so all that remains to do is edit the lead and maybe try to find a suitable image. I can't seem to find a free one of anyone holding an award though. :( - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:11, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Have fun with that. FL is not an area I know much about. You can try the Flickr begging again- someone hit the jackpot on a gorgeous pic of Pixie Lott! I was about to tag it as a copyvio before I checked the author out! I'm watching Parnassus (again!) and hovering on my watchlist atm but I should probably do something useful like write an article! Maybe I could make a dent in my (still massive) to-do list... Btw, didi you have any joy with that pic of Deacon? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I want an image like the one in the WALL-E list. Though I do wonder if I can use the image of Christoph Waltz, since he's won the majority of the awards. That is a nice pic of Pixie, I want one of those for Paloma Faith! I don't think the guy has changed the Deacon license yet, but I'm sure he'll get round to it soon. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:30, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Btw, I've found the editor who keeps adding the Facebook group info to the The Bill - [1]. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Not as good a some of the ones elsewhere, but even if they were free, they're probably not appropriate for WP! I'll see if I can find you one for Paloma next time I'm trawling through Flickr- it's a bit like WP- there's a lot of shot on there but you'd be amazed at how good some of the stuff is and how easily some authors can be persuaded to freely licence their work! That is a good pic in the Wall-E list, you'd have to go some to find one like that, but you might get lucky. As for the facebook group, I'd like to include it but, alas, verifiability is more important than truth. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Just found this, I don't know if the website is reliable though. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the thought! Someone beat me to it and added it in. It's not the most reliable as sources go, but it's not Facebook or a blog so it'll do, for now at least. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I think the Goat already has a reviewer (yes, I am stalking your edits). Btw, do you think it's worth me mentioning on the GAN talk page that there isn't a suitable category for fashion designers? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I've started a discussion about where to place nominations for fashion designers at WT:GAN. You might wish to comment if you decide to take on the Deacon review, as you could have trouble finding a category to place him in if the article passes. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

The Giles image has had it's license changed on flickr now. I can't remember if you or Brad wanted to upload and crop it though. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm happy either way. If Brad wants to do it, he's more than welcome but I'm quite happy to do it. It should only take 5 minutes. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

If you want to do it, then Giles is the one on the left. Though once you've cropped it, do you think the other half can go in Henry Holland's article (I want to expand that beyond a stub eventually)? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Way ahead of you! Image, in its original form, is on commons as File:Giles Deacon.jpg. If you have a Commons account, I'd appreciate it if you'd pad out the "description" bit but if not, I'll do it later. Now, forgive my ignorance, but which one is Deacon? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Oops, you have the wrong image, it's the one I linked to above. The one you've uploaded hasn't had it's license changed. Deacon is on the left, btw. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

ITN for James W. Black

On 26 March 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article James W. Black, which you recently nominated and substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

Nice work, many thanks - Dumelow (talk) 09:09, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Copy-edit help

I've got a peer review going for the article Climax Series, which I hope to nominate at WP:FAC sometime in the near future. I thought it was getting close, but someone at PR called the article's prose "poor". Obviously, as the primary writer, I disagree with this opinion, but what do I know? I'd really appreciate either opinions, suggestions and/or a full copy edit. Whatever you have time for! Thanks --Torsodog^Talk 16:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Contesting GA status

You mentioned that you were taking the discussion to a community.[2] Have you done this? Please provide a link. Thanks, Piano non troppo (talk) 01:34, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

It's at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Paparazzi (Lady Gaga song)/2 but you've already been there. Te result of that discussion will determine whether or not it remains listed as a GA. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:21, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

The Bill

Hi HJ

Just to let you know that we seem to have had our first bout of vandalism which seems to be related to the programmes axing.

I keep having to tell people off on it for not keeping a neutral opinion! --5 albert square (talk) 22:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not surprised. I think the best thing to do is operate a policy of only reverting vandalism for a few days- let things quiet down and once it drops of the headlines, we can go through and copyedit, cleanup, source or whatever but if you do it now, it'll only be back in ten minutes and many of the edits are at least well intentioned. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not surprised either and I think that the vandalism has been relatively low. I'm still keeping an eye on it but as yet I've not seen anything that warrants the attention of WP:RFPP. I've not been warning people as I understand that they are upset, and I wouldn't intend on warning them unless their vandalism was really bad. For those that haven't edited before or haven't edited for very long I've just been placing the welcome vandal template on their talk page. I think vandalism will be bad though around the time that it finishes filming and it finishes airing, particularly on the last day of filming and the day the last episode is aired. I'm still gutted that it's finishing, I've even joined a Facebook page about it's axing and signed a petition in the hope ITV change their mind! Personally I'm hoping that another network will buy the rights to it. If I remember correctly from when I was carrying out work to get it to GA status, it was initially offered to the BBC, wonder if they're now interested in it? I might actually write to some of the cast members to offer my support as I really do feel for them. They've just been shoved into the same potential redundancy boat that I was shoved into a couple of weeks ago :( --5 albert square (talk) 12:58, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Not great times, really! Tbh, I'd be surprised if anyone else picks it up. From what I've read, the ratings have been slipping for years and the move to 9pm last year was a kind of last attempt to boost them. As for the article, like I say, it's probably best to tidy up in a day or 2 when it drops off the front pages. I'll only revert vandalism until then- many of them are trying to help and at least it'll be kept up to date (I'm far too busy atm to be constantly maintaining it). Btw, don't worry about Lily any more- I had to fix other things in the refs so I've done most of them now! I've got her up for peer review since I've decided I'd like to go to FAC one day. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, no worries, one of the admins actually posted on my talk page saying that would be a hard thing to do using AWB :) --5 albert square (talk) 13:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you know, the info that the anon IP is trying to add, the social networking site is Facebook but unfortunately Facebook links are banned by User: XLinkBot so we can't use it! --5 albert square (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I know. But wht they're adding is, unfortunately, unsourceable. I might go and join the group later. If I can be bothered! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:41, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I'm a member of it! I've placed something on the talk page of The Bill to make people aware because all that'll happen if they place links like that is XLinkBot will come along and undo all the edits and issue it's form of warning to the user. Then we end up with users banned :( --5 albert square (talk) 21:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Nappytabs GA review

I don't understand the suggestion that you left about how to change the article. Please clarify. My full response is on the GA review page. // Gbern3 (talk) 11:17, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, no worries, I'll have a look. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:26, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Pitt

I know, I'm so glad it was promoted. When I saw the bot do an update on the FAC, I was worried. When I clicked on the page, I saw that it said that User:Karanacs promoted the article, which I was really happy about. You should of seen me jump up-and-down; I was so thrilled, and I'm glad another "piece of my work" is being recognized. At the same time, I owe it all to you and Turian, and the many copy-editors, for a job well-done. :) My next FA project? Well, I'm gonna do "heavy" research on Peter Sarsgaard, Tina Fey, Jon Hamm, and Eric McCormack. After what was brought up about how Pitt got his roles or what was his decision, I think I'll have to do this for these articles. Thank you, I'll consider your help a great asset. ;) P.S. Thank you very much for that award. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:20, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, you don't know how grateful I am because of your help with Pitt reaching FA status... you just don't know. ;) Kind of. Like in the first FAC, I felt insulted by Tony's comments. It's a lot to criticize the work someone does on an article, you know. Oh well, I'm letting the past be the past. :) It won't be a hassle, like for Sarsgaard I can look for info. regarding his casting in Boys Don't Cry and stuff. Fey's won't be a problem, I believe I have everything in tact in her article. At the moment I'm trying to expand more info. on Hamm's article, and with McCormack I got to do a bit more work on it. Overall, I think one of those articles can be my next FAC project. BTW, here's something from me to you:

	The Working Man's Barnstar
	For your tireless mission in ensuring that Brad Pitt's article was well-written, and with the goal that the article be a Featured article. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:18, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I hope you enjoy it. :) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:18, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

You should be. ;) I will, you'll definitely hear from me. Yeah, you know, he's like kind of rude. Sure, he's respect around here, but I mean have some respect to those trying to be respect here, you know. Yeah, I took his comments very hard, it made me feel bad about my editing, like they were useless. I guess, but still, you know. I would like to be respected, and in return me respect you and stuff. Let's see how the next time pans out. Anyways, I'll leave some comments tomorrow on Cole's PR, at the moment I have to deal with whatever occurs today, so. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, what article is it? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Just so that you and I don't get in trouble, you might want to add at the GAN page that you are seeking a second opinion, which of course is what you're asking me to do. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Done, though, I hope you don't mind that raised some concerns with some stuff in the article. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, you know, just assuming good faith and stuff. The user has seven days to get your concerns, if not, you either have the choice of failing the article, or giving the user extra days to complete the review... just so you know. Yeah, let's just see how this plays out. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey, that's your decision about the article. If you felt as though it resembled the past review, then that's fine. I probably would have done the same. I've failed seven articles in my GA reviewer career, either because no one got my concerns, or I just felt that it wasn't GA material. Hey, no problem. If you ever need "help" with anything, just let me know, so I can be of service. :) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I can do a review for Lohan, enjoyed her in Mean Girls, though it would have to wait after I do reviews for Franck Ribéry and Kevin Bieksa, which I just signed up for. I received four "medals" for my part on reviewing articles. :) Sorry, I just had to mention that. Oh no, I'm becoming narcissistic. But yeah, I can do it. You're welcome, just repaying a friend a favour, and yeah "Nappytabs" is a weird name. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

When I was going through the article, I was like 'Damn, half these words or names don't make sense', but that's the beauty of it, someone comes up with some weird name or whatever, and bam it's their thing. Alright, cool then. :) I don't mind. Like I told you, I started working on Jon Hamm's article because he was [still is] the most handsomest thing in the planet. ;) Wow, I'm so bad. Yeah, I've been trying to do my part, so that someone can review my nominations. Yeah, "soccer", and hockey, which I enjoy playing the latter a lot. OMG, I love April Fool's Day, the best. :P --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

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wp:rightnow

suggest you check your facts . . . polargeo did not author that page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.182.85 (talk) 21:46, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Now what would you be doing lurking around RfA? Dynamic IP or have you just forgotten to log in? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Lily Cole

I listed a couple refs over at my talk page that need expanding, and I'll copy-edit the article over the next couple days (I have to print articles out to really critically read them... and I can't copy-edit my own writing worth farthing either.) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

BTW, I think you're about at the point where a second RfA from you would be reacted to like Polergo's second is going, but do you really want the hassle? Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Dot Branning

Hi HJ

Stalking your talk page too!

Could you do me a favour please? Pretty please?

Could you please give Dot Branning a copy edit? I'm thinking that the article may get re-nominated for GA soon, it failed on a couple of silly minor things last time. I'd rather get an experienced copy editor to copy edit it first of all though and you are one of the best copy editors! --5 albert square (talk) 23:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah, flattery will get you... everywhere, actually! Lol! I'll have a look, but it's gone midnight so it won't be til the morning. Who was the reviewer (out of idle curiosity more than anything!)? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes it was User: bwmcmaste. It only failed on a couple of things like references and it wasn't even put on hold. Thank god that user never came across The Bill's GA review! --5 albert square (talk) 00:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, not somebody I know. Anyway, don't think too little of them, there's no obligation to put an article on hold (I failed one yesterday without a formal "hold" period) and there are 400 articles waiting to be reviewed and only a handful of active reviewers, so we can't spend ages on each review or the backlog would double in size every week. Now, do you want me to copyedit it or do you want me to review it? Either works for me, but I can't do both without appearing "involved". HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

5 albert, if HJ does the copyedit, feel free to hit my talk page to jump tot he top of the queue in reviews; I saw the comment about the last one taking three months to get done. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

HJ, yes I know there's not, I think it's more the fact that the article was waiting 3 months to get done and then it was quickly failed in a matter of seconds.

Bradjamesbrown, thanks for the offer, I might just take you up on that! I've offered my services as GA reviewer to one of the admins involved, if nobody else nominates the article again though within the next couple of days I might just nominate it myself and drop you a line if that's ok :) --5 albert square (talk) 01:21, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

OK, my talk page just got very busy! I'm not used to edit conflicts on my own talk page! It's usually fairly quiet here! Since you don't seem to be short of reviewers, I'll do the copyediting. After I've had some sleep! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks HJ :) --5 albert square (talk) 20:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

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Giles Deacon III

I'm guessing you didn't see the above? :) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

It's the right one according to this. Either way, the two were almost identical and the one I uploaded is useable (in licensing terms). I did a google image search to find out which one he was. I'm nto entirely happy with my cropping, so I'll be back on commons for the next few minutes! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

June, the first one you linked is licensed for non-commercial use only. In WP terms that would make it fair-use, so HJ pulled the right image. HJ, re-do the transfer from Flickr to Commons, by starting with the full size, 800 px wide version here, and you'll get better results. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 01:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, just realised I got them mixed up. It's late, I'm going to bed before I fall asleep at the keyboard. :) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 01:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

• ARGH! Busy talk page! Not good! Right, Thanks Brad, I've uploaded the full res version and cropped from that and overwritten the old one. Now, it's getting on for 3am and I need sleep so, barring anything else I need to fix, I'm going to bed. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Tomlinson

Thank you, HJ, much appreciated! SlimVirgin ^{talk contribs} 02:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

This Is It (Michael Jackson song)

Hey, I think I've corrected all of the problems you listed with the article in it's GA review, could you check the article to see if you have any more concerns? Thanks, Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 16:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Ross McGinnis

Thanks for the review. I have already started making changes and will continue to add data to it in the next couple days. If you are interested in reading about or reviewing other Medal of Honor recipients, all of the ones I have submitted reviews on are recipients of the medal. --Kumioko (talk) 18:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Normally, it's not an area in which I have a great interest, but I might well take a look at some of your others. I've got another few GANs on at the minute with the clearance going on, but I've got 2 that should pass easily so I'll be free in an hour or two. There's nothing major on McGinnis, so let me know when you're done, not that there's any rush. HJ Mitchell | April Fool! 19:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I think Daniel J. Callaghan and Powhatan Beaty are relatively easy wins. --Kumioko (talk) 19:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

OK, welcome to the top of my to-do list! Unfortunately, it's very long, so I might not be very swift at getting round to them! HJ Mitchell | April Fool! 20:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

No rush, most of them have been there for weeks so their not going anywhere. --Kumioko (talk) 20:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reviews. I think I fixed all the items you mentioned on ross McGinnis but if you see anything else please let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 03:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to hound you, I got a lot of things out at the moment (5 GA's, 1 FL, 1 FA, and 1 A plus a couple GA reviews) and Im trying to wrap some up. Have you had a chance to take a look at this one yet to see if I covered all your concerns? --Kumioko (talk) 18:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

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Charles Abbott, 1st Baron Tenterden

Just saw it; thanks kindly! I do a lot of law work at the moment, particularly around tort and legal history (hence my FAs for William Garrow, Gray's Inn, Norman Birkett and the Court of Chancery). Are you a lawyer of some sort yourself? Ironholds (talk) 19:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Law student (well, taking a year out, but close enough!). Yourself? I've seen your nominations at GAN- I know a few of the tort cases you've done and keep meaning to take one on, but I'm either beaten to it or something else comes up! I might get back into law editing at some point, but there seem to be so few specialists in English Law and I'm not much good at writing law cases! I started out here with a few crappy stubs and most of them are, to this day, crappy stubs! I'll probably do one of your other GANs later! HJ Mitchell | April Fool! 20:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, where did you study? Law student at the moment; as it happens, I can't stand tort, but I'm a pedantic little bugger (INTP). I much prefer public and constitutional law, along with European law (which reminds me, our article on the preliminary referencing procedure makes baby jesus cry. Must fix). There are five specialists that I know of, along with one Scots editor (AGK); we're an underrepresented little bunch. At the moment it's the concept articles that need expanding, not the cases; we don't even have an article on the English tort of nuisance, which is simply appalling. Anyway, thanks for your review(s); I hope to see you editing law articles soon :P. Ironholds (talk) 20:20, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Interesting, I appear to be in the lead! Not that that's the (only) reason I'm reviewing your articles! Lincoln (which, according to our disambiguation is some old American bloke!). Tort's not bad- negligence (though boring) is easy and occupier's liability has its moments but I prefer criminal law- ABH, GBH, wounding etc. Our coverage is surprisingly good. I've just done Lloyd Kenyon, 1st Baron Kenyon for you btw! HJ Mitchell | April Fool! 20:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks kindly! I wrote Insanity in English law a while back, and that's now a GA - about as close as I get to criminal law. Ironholds (talk) 20:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

GA reviews

Hey. I saw that you did a good deal of GA reviews today, which is very nice. However, I'm wondering if you're working on clearing the backlog perhaps too quickly. You are noting concerns, but some of them that you're noting should be dealt with at the GA level rather than FA as you say. Take Talk:Chloë Sevigny/GA2 for example. 3 of 5 images being fair use is a violation, and at best they either should've been removed, or you putting it on hold until they remove themselves or explain a rationale for keeping them. For the most part you're doing fine; basically I'm just saying don't be afraid to leave it on hold for a few minor issues. It's better that it's an undisputed GA than it's a rushed through GA. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 23:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping in. I did ten (just finished the tenth and was about to log it). I take your point on Sevigny, though I have the article watchlisted and have every intention to follow up on the removal and/or deletion of those images and do it myself if it wasn't done within a day or 2. I can assure you they're not being rushed through though, I've done 10 in about 11 hours and I've given each one my full attention before moving on to the next and I've just spent over 2 hours on number 10, mainly due to the controversy of the subject matter. Although some reviews have been opened and closed in one edit, it's because I've scrutinised the article and made points as I go along before saving the review page. I've also got two on hold from today (and another two from before the drive). I will bear your advice in mind, though, and thanks for taking the time to post here! Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Wizardman, regarding the permissible free/fair-use image ratio in an article, would you mind clarifying what is considered a violation per WP guidelines? I could not find any such limitations on the number of fair use images, but I might have been looking in a wrong place. Themes in Avatar, which is currently nominated for GA, has got 5 fair use images out of 13, and if this needs to be fixed, I would like to do it before the GA review. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 03:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

The place you want to look is WP:NFCC, oparticualrly criteria 3a and 8- to summarise, fair use images should be kept to the very minimum and only used when no free alternative could possibly be found. If you;lre lucky, you might get away with one FU image but vertainly not 3 and in an article about a living and still active individual. You could try trawling through Flickr and asking some authors there if they'd release their work so you can replace the images, but at least 2 of them need to go. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and the reference, HJ Mitchell. Cinosaur (talk) 23:30, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

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Round II?

Hey HJ Mitchell. Just wanted to let you know that I've been following your contribs for quite some time now - and well, I must say, I like what I see. I'm not sure if you'd be interested in a round II (it's about time anyways) anytime soon but I thought I might call dibbs on the nom - if that's alright with you.

I think Wikipedia's administrative team would greatly benefit with you as a sysop. Please consider it. All the best, FASTILY_sock^(TALK) 00:55, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow! I'm honoured. Really. That's a huge surprise. Thanks Fastily. I will certainly take you up on your offer, but perhaps not just yet. I'm a little busy at the minute and when I'm back at my normal computer I'd like to get back to helping clear the GAN backlog but if it suits you, I'll be willing to stand in early May when, hopefully, things will be a bit calmer on wiki and in the "real world"! Thanks for making my day, anyway! I really am flattered. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

After the helpful advice you've given me you can definitely count on my support. I wouldn't even mind co-nomming.--SKATER ^Speak. 16:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind co-noming either. Of course, since I supported (albeit with reservations) last time, it might mean nothing coming from me. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 16:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I would support you if you went for it :) NERDYSCIENCEDUDE (✉ message • changes) 16:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Ditto. —  Cargoking  talk  19:17, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you all! I'm humbled by your supports and I promise you I'll run in May when I'm less busy in the real world and the GAN queue is hopefully a bit smaller. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:29, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Will do. I'm glad to know you're interested; drop me a line when you're ready to go and I shall write you up a nom. Cheers, FASTILY_sock^(TALK) 19:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Anjem Choudary/GA1

Take a look. I'll be away from tomorrow afternoon for a few days, however. Parrot of Doom 21:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Nobel Prize Peer review

Hello! I found you on the volunteer list for Peer review. I have just nominated the Nobel Prize for Peer review and I thought your description seemed like the person that would be perfect in reviewing the Nobel Prize article. It has some problems with prose etc and is written in British English. Would you like be able to help me?

Thank you for your time Esuzu (talk • contribs) 21:46, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I will do my best to get to it, but I'm probably not the best person if you're in a rush. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm not in a rush in that sense :) But I would appriciate all the help I can get, however small it might be. Thank you! --Esuzu (talk • contribs) 00:42, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

OK, I should be able to get to it next week and I'll be able to spend some time on it. I can comment in the peer review later on and then I'll so what I can do with the prose when I have time! Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:13, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Sounds great, looking forward to working with you :) Cheers Esuzu (talk • contribs) 15:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

GA Review for Ross A. McGinnis

Howdy HJ, I see youve been busy with GA reviews and such. Could you check back on teh Ross McGinnis article please and tell me if I need to make any more changes. --Kumioko (talk) 16:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. --Kumioko (talk) 20:55, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I hope you put it up for A-class and possibly take it to FAC in the not-too-distant future. It's a really interesting article and I think it could go far. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I've done Zenas Bliss for you as well! It was the only one towards the top of war and military that didn't have a reviewer. I've left a few suggestions on the review page but it's a pass. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks --Kumioko (talk) 22:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

GA Review for Speed Demon (song)

Hey, I've addressed almost all of the concerns you listed with the article in it's GA review; the only problem that remains is that I do not know how to upload an audio sample, do you know of any editors I can ask to upload an audio sample of the song for me? Thanks, Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 23:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd try User:Ipodnano05, User:Liquidluck or User:Legolas2186- I know they frequently write articles on song articles. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

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Re:The Bill DVDs - Region 4 The Bill#DVD_and_VHS_releases

I've put infomation back on about the above DVD's at The Bill#DVD_and_VHS_releases, could someone please put them in the Infobox. My reference is in my edit summary made on 1st April. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 09:28, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Must have missed that on my watchlist with all the edits going on on the article at the minute! Thanks, though. I've formatted it all for you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:25, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

GANs

Hi. I've decided to join up to the GAN backlog elimination drive. I've just reviewed my first article, Another Day, and was wondering if you could double check the article and my review, to see if I've missed anything? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course. Give me 10 minutes to have a skim of the article and check the Is are dotted and the Ts crossed. Btw, I changed the title so the section link doesn't take me to Wizardman's thread above. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Sorry about the title, I didn't spot the other section. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 17:13, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

No worries and no need to apologise- it happens all the time, especially when my talk page gets long. It's surprisingly bust at the minute and I archived it not long ago! There's nothing much to say about the review- you've touched on all the main issues. I've just spotted a few things, but I'm quite pedantic when it comes to copyediting and the MoS! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Crystal Clear x3 appears to have fixed all of your concerns, so I think I'm happy to pass the article. Thank you again for taking a look. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 18:12, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm happy. If you are, then pass it, list and log it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN backlog elimination drives/April 2010. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:29, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Done, that was relatively painless. I might pick another article to review later. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 18:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. Most will be, especially in the music section. I think I've got the two trickiest from that section on hold at the minute (I have a habit of picking the tricky ones). You could pick another 4 easy ones and get yourself a barnstar for your trouble. I haven't done many since the 1st when I kind of steamed through GAN and took the interesting and easy ones! I'm focusing quite a bit of attention on Avril Lavigne atm and I think BBC News might need a bit of a shove. Then of course I need to implement Blue's suggestions on Lindsay Lohan. Methinks I might end up on til 3am. Again! I was listing GAs last night from my alt that had been passed but not added to WP:GA. Let me know if you want me to have a look at any more reviews though. Always happy to help! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:59, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I think I've found my next one, Pretty Baby...., which is an episode of EastEnders. I'll try and work towards getting five reviews done and get that Working Man's Barnstar. I still have Deacon to work on and I'm trying to improve Charlene Robinson. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 19:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Go for it. I can't bloody stand Eastenders (but then, I can't stand Neighbours either! I'm not a soap fan!). I've got my eye on "The Order of the Superior Scribe of Wikipedia". 40 will certainly be a challenge but I might be able to do it! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

How can you not like soaps?! lol. Since you're the 'MoS Man' would you cast your eye over the article at some point? Nothing major is jumping out at me, but I know you'll look a bit closer. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 20:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm hardly the MoS man- that would have to be User:Tony1- but I know it pretty well. When you get around the wiki as much as I do, you just pick it up as you go along. Today I've gone from maintenance at GA, to GAN, to help you, to AN to deal with unprotected images, to my role as ITN's resident postman, to Wikinews and various other places! Yeah,I get around! It's helpful not to have to keep checking the MoS when I'm doing a GA review though. I'll have a look at your article in a minute- I don't know why we have to differentiate between hyphens, minus signs, endashes and emdashes but apparently it matters! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I think AnemoneProjectors has fixed everything I flagged up in Pretty Baby..... I had a quick look at MoS, but really I need to come back and read it properly. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 23:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

AnemoneProjectors is an admin so I think we're pretty safe though I'll have a look in a mo- I got distracted by something! As or the MoS, you'll never take it in in one go. The top page is big enough, but there are loads of subpages- I have a reasonable knowledge of it but I can't claim to know anything like all of it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Did you get distracted by ITN, by any chance? I've just been over there too. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 23:15, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

HJ, thanks for scrubbing the graffiti from my talk page earlier today. June, the MoS is a behemoth, not easily understood. Look at User:Giano/A fool's guide to writing a featured article, especially the section where that experienced FA writer tells you how to read the MoS. ;) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 23:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you HJ for the extra review on Pretty Baby... and thank you Brad for the link to that essay. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

You're both more than welcome. Perhaps, Brad, your vandal will take note of my advice in the edit summary but somehow I doubt it. And June, you're welcome. If you keep picking the relatively easy ones, pretty soon you might be up to taking on something a little more complicated. I don't know how you're finding it but I find it quite a rewarding experience. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Evening, I wasn't sure whether to create a new section or continue here. I forgot to say the other day, but good work at AIV. The only time I went there, one of the bots was up and working again, so I missed you. I nominated List of accolades received by Inglourious Basterds for FLC today, I'm kinda scared to see what the comments are going to be. I hope they aren't too bad. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 22:18, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Whatever floats your boat. This thread's not ridiculously long. Cheers, Brad and I were there pretty much constantly for about 36 hours. I learnt more about the workings of AIV in one (9 hour) "shift" on there than in my entire 13 months on here. I'm glad the bots are back up, though- flagging bad reports is easy (though people get touchy about non-admins flagging their reports) but removing the blocked vandals is tedious and I kept getting edit conflicts with more reports coming in! Yeah, glad to have the bots back! Don't worry about the FLC- if you get MoS/prose concerns, I can help you there at some point though I'm in no fit state to do anything major atm. Between fighting for MisterWiki on ANI (almost as masochistic as my last RfA) and fixing up Lindsay Lohan for GA, my time on-wiki is pretty well consumed not to mention real life :(! If it's criticised, you just have to take it and use to improve the article- that's the point of the process- and if you can't fix it all this time round, you'll have a better idea of what to expect next time. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey, when/if you have a spare couple of minutes would you have a quick look at Giles Deacon for me? It needs a copy edit, but I'm not too sure what needs doing. I'm used to writing about fictional characters, not real people, lol. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much for you help, I know how busy you are. :D I was just wondering do you think any of these would be beneficial to the article at all? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. My talk apge has doubled in length over a few days, and I've grown a collection of stalkers. I'm not sure if I should be flattered or alarmed by the latter. The strange thing is, of the 48, I only know (or strongly suspect) who 8 of them are... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

June, this might be a little my fault, for pointing out examples and not an exhaustive list of problems. The edits today have made the article much better, and I promise to get more thoughts on Deacon's GA1 page before I sleep tonight. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 00:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I just had a quick look at Lohan and saw the publisher for Rolling Stone is down as RealNetworks, but it's actually published by Jann Wenner. Also, since I'm not doing anything at the moment, would you like those archive URLs hidden? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 20:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that's an owner/publisher thing- rather like Rupert Murdoch and The Times thought that's a poor example in that he is MD and chief exec of the company that owns the subsidiary that owns the publishing company that prints the newspaper, but it makes my point! Thanks for correcting the "missing Lohan" btw. You can if you want, though if you're that bored, you could help fix and fill out those references! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh no, that's your job to fix the references. ;) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 20:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh fun! I'm about half way through so far but I keep getting distracted by ITN, T:MP and WP:ERRORS flashing up on my watchlist! They're all infinitely more interesting than dealing with citation templates though! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:ITN/A

Interesting. Should you tell them that the image is not for an ITN which is below the ITN which had the previous image or would that be too complicated? --candle•wicke 01:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that's probably a little overcomplicated. I'm hoping we can attract more admins to ITN by proving that it's not as complicated as people think it is! After all, I've only included the image as something else to consider and one the regular admins can either add the image or replace/fix it later. I'd rather they put a blurb up without doing anything to the image than be put off putting anything up at all because of some technicality! What do you think? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

You're right. It would be much too complicated and we don't want to destroy their fragile minds. :D --candle•wicke 19:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

*Fragile* —  Cargoking  talk  22:27, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, fragile! lol! I was going for the simplest possible approach- the less important stuff can be dealt with later, but we need more admins to update the template so the simpler we make it for them, the more likely they are to do it or to come back! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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Appreciated

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	For doing an excellent job clerking AIV while the bots are down, and making everyone's jobs easier. ~ mazca talk 22:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

You're certainly doing your part to make an annoying situation less so! ~ mazca ^talk 22:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Well thank you! Any time they want to sort out the bots, I'll gladly go back to GA reviewing! The star is very much appreciated though! You just whack 'em, I'll do the rest! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, it's a job that's well-suited to bots and I do hope the fix comes through soon. Between you, Zhang He and Bradjamesbrown the place has been very well organised in the bots' absence - but as you say, all three of you would be better used doing something else! :) ~ mazca ^talk 22:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Is there any info on how long they'll be down? I checked the ANI thread and WP:BON but found nothing (at least not in plain English)! I was backing the other 2 up earlier but I think both are offline currently. The fun continues! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:58, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

It's Barnstar Time!

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Cheers! I'm clerking AIV atm because the BLOODY bots are buggered! Thankfully there are a few admins who are on the ball and whacking the vandals so all I have to do is remove the reports, but I'd still rather have the bots back! 2 barnstars in one day. I must be doing something right! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

• • ventures over to WP:AIV to help out** :) --5 albert square (talk) 23:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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Hey, Who said you got a break...? Me...I'll take it from here.--SKATER ^Speak. 03:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd been doing it for 12 hours, nine of them on my own! I'm back now, though so you go back to fighting the vandals and keeping me busy! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to go write something, I can clerk for a few hours if you're getting tired of it all. Good work this morning, though! 16:14, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Cheers Brad. I need something to eat then I'll chase my GANs up. Let me know if you get bogged down, though! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

HJ, you up for clerking AIV for a while? I'm beat. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 20:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Sure. Take a break. I've followed up on everything I needed to. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, good man. I see one of the bots is working, so maybe our 72 hours of doing "bot work" is almost over! (I, for one, will not be complaining) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 21:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. No3 is indeed up and running, where the other 6 are, I don't know but I think we're safe, though I'll keep an eye on it! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

BOAC Flight 712

Best to keep all comments on the talk page of the article rather than spreading them across several editors talk pages. Mjroots (talk) 06:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Re AIV

Two recreations by the same user doesn't really qualify for RPP, does it? I thought the normal standard was that the recreation become a multi-account/long-term problem. Ironholds (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Fay Ripley FAC

Thanks for all your help with this (fruitless) FAC, HJ. I think I might just contact her agency directly and try for a photo since you've had no luck with Flickr. I'm sure they wouldn't mind releasing a headshot under a CC licence. Bradley0110 (talk) 21:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

If you ask very nicely, explain what you want to do with the image and tell them they can licence it to require attribution, you might get lucky. It's a shame the FAC wasn't successful, but if you manage to get an image, you should have a better chance next time around. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

There's this great thing called Spell Check.

Whack!

Category:Wikipedia fauna You should use it.

Bad, sarcastic, somewhat pointless joking aside, I fixed a typo in one of your ANI posts. Hamtechperson 00:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the typo (vandalism/"vandaliam" was it?)! I shall try to be more careful, but it's getting on for 2am! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Meet the Parents GAN

Thank you for all your work on Meet the Parents GAN. It's much appreciated. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 12:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. As I said there, with a little more work to fix some of the technical issues, you should be able to take it to FAC. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Mentorship of User:MisterWiki

Please see [3]. Thank you, –xeno^talk 13:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll be happy to assist in his mentorship if you need anything.--SKATER ^Speak. 15:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Xeno for taking a chance and unblocking him and thank you Skater for the offer of help and for having faith in me. It could be useful to have a third opinion. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey. How will we organize relating to the mainspace edition? I have created some articles in this while, see my userpage.

Aside note: Please connect to IRC! We miss you @ #wikinews ;-) --Diego Grez ^{let's talk} 19:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll come into the WN channel in a minute (it's quieter than WP's). I think the best way of doing it is for you to ask here (would you mind watchlisting this page) so it's all transparent and everybody can see you;re sticking to your restrictions. I'm hoping a few other editors I trust will help out and be able to give you quick approval when I'm not around. I take it you understand your conditions- particularly that you can't edit any page apart form mine and your own userspace and talk page and Xeno's talk page unless you get approval from me (if I'm not here, then possibly from someone else I name, but it's too early for that yet). For articles like Pichilemu, as long as you're not doing anything controversial, it should be easy, but still ask. If you can work within the restrictions until the end of May, we might be able to look at relaxing them. I'm glad we got you unblocked, now we have to prove it was worth it! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Heh. Can I move the article drafts I did on my userspace to the mainspace.. or not yet? :-) _{(I still can't contain my happyness!)} --Diego Grez ^{let's talk} 19:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad you're happy- I am. Just remember how hard I had to fight even to get this much so keep yourself out of trouble! I think for a day or 2, it's best if you leave them where they are- I had a look and they look like good starts, but I think you're better off expanding them in userspace a little before moving them. I think we should leave it at least 24 hours before you start editing outside userspace anyway. Anyway, I'll come on to the WN IRC channel! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

HJ Mitchell, as you probably know there has been some very vocal disagreement at ANI over my conditional unblock of MW/DG. And it seems there has maybe been some confusion over the boundaries. The initial understanding was that he should not be editing outside his or your userspace until at least the end of May. Continue to develop the articles in userspace, work with him on reliable sourcing, copy editing, and the like. Please do not approve any edits outside of userspace for the time-being. If a well-sourced article is finalized in userspace, you should be the one to move it to mainspace at which point it will be hands off for MW/DG. If he would like to develop Pichilemu, he can do so in his userspace and I will history merge the changes into the mainspace article. Only after the encyclopedia has received noticeable benefit would we consider relaxing these restrictions. Please let me know if you require any clarification on this point. –xeno^talk 13:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for that Xeno. I'm aware of the the opposition, though I haven't made a comment because I have a feeling my further involvement in that thread would only serve to fan the flames. That's a very kind offer for a history merge- I understand they're not easy. Thanks for all your help on this, and for that clarification. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:41, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Probably a wise move. Just for the record, history merges really aren't that complicated =) –xeno^talk 13:45, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, well maybe you could show me if the community grants adminship one day... Thank you for everything you've done and are doing- it isn't going unappreciated. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ben Affleck

Hi, Regarding the Ben Affleck article: The status quo as it existed until now listed Affleck's name as Benjamin Geza Affleck ... then yesterday someone came and changed it to Affleck-Boldt. So, the status quo is Affleck as last name, I Believe. I have several sources that put his full name at Benjamin Geza Affleck. He has never used Affleck-Boldt as his last name ... and the source in the article puts it at "AffleckBold".

See the following: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/baffleck3.html http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/affleck_doc.html

I think the burden of proof is on those who claim that ever in his life he has ever used this name legally or otherwise. We need a source. I am going to put the aforementioned refs in and change it to its original condition. Thanks!Hutch y2k (talk) 22:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't have time to examine the history to determine the accuracy of your comments on the status quo. However, since I have your attention, I'd advise you not to continue edit warring over this and to take your sources to the talk page to seek broader input. It's also worth observing that, as an encyclopaedia, we should give the person's full name, regardless of whether or not they use it. Also , I would question the validity of those sources, though I'm afraid the relevant link to direct you to escapes me. I advise you to start a discussion on the talk page and await the outcome of that before reverting any more because constant reverts and re-reverts between editors disrupts the article itself. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree that we should use the person's full name, except Affleck's full name has always been benjamin geza affleck by all sources (yearbook, voting record, donations to democratic party).... on the other hand, no reliable source has ever referred to him as benjamin geza affleck-boldt, legally or casually. I think it is highly unencyclopedic to use a purported "full name" without a given documented source of its existence (same argument as the fact that we don't have Angelina Jolie Voight as AJ's lead name because that isn't her legal name; same goes for bill clinton, the name on his birth certificate is different from his full legal name... and that's an important distinction imo). I am sort of surprised that I have to defend this. I don't want an edit war, but I did revert it before seeing your post; if someone reverts it again, I'll go to discussion as you suggested. Here's the NYTimes, you can see the name they use for him under "alt names": http://movies.nytimes.com/person/426/Ben-Affleck/biography Hutch y2k (talk) 23:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

That's a much better source. The NYT is considered very reliable. Please don't revert again- take it to the talk page, make your case and get some more opinions. I believe you when you say you don't want an edit war but they're easy to stumble into and I'd hate to see you (or anyone else) accidentally stumble across the 3RR and get blocked for it. Citing the NYT, you should be able to make a pretty strong case on the talk page. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:31, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Diego Grez

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Please do what you can to chase away the younger editors who seem to think they are going to "help" DG by making suggestions to him, or making requests on his behalf. I backed off slightly on my major misgivings because I was under the impression you were his mentor. If White Shadows and NerdyScienceGuyDude (oops, sorry) are going to help out, they are going to mess something up. If you want this to work, you need to be pretty resolute in not delegating responsibility to people who aren't ready for it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 12:36, 13 April 2010 (UTC) It's NerdyScienceDude. If you're going to mention my name, could you please at least say it right? Anyway, I would like to help HJ when I can. I won't do anything regarding Diego without HJ's permission. ~NERDYSCIENCEDUDE (✉ message • changes) 13:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC) With respect, NerdyScienceDude (and White Shadows) - I'd leave it to HJ. Having more than one contact for DG will be confusing for all concerned - and if you won't do anything regarding DG without HJ's permission, what's the point - let DG come straight to HJ, with no middle people. Just my 0.02 -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 14:09, 13 April 2010 (UTC) Thank you to all for dropping by. I would like to reinforce Phantomsteve's comment. I really, really appreciate the efforts of everybody, including the two editors named above (whom I hold in high esteem) but anything done on behalf of Diego must be done by myself for this to work. However, please don't be put off- it's not a reflection on yourselves, it's just that the condition of his unblock was mentoring from me. I hope you'll both continue to make him feel welcome, though. Just leave any requests/statements/approval of edits to me. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC) My my, way to have a total lack of good faith Floquenbeam. I love how I (a "younger editor") am "going to mess something up". Really good wording on your part. If your going to bash on me, why not tell me directly? I'll back off but you need to realize that just becasue I'm 20 odd years younger than you does not mean that I (or anyone else my age) will "mess" anything up due to my age.--White Shadows you're breaking up 22:38, 13 April 2010 (UTC) I now realise that my comment may be taken the wrong way. I'm not really mad or trying to attack you at all, I just wish that you drop the ageism in an agrument like that. I understnad where you are comming from and I'll back off. Just remember that "kids" like me are the future of this place.--White Shadows you're breaking up 22:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

question (moved from your userpage)

one of your templates say you use british english so does that mean you were born in a british country or do you just like to use british english over american english, if that's the case why do you? 168.99.144.58 (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm an Englishman. Does that answer your question? :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Is there not a user box for "I speak English English" :P -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 22:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. Most of my userboxes were stolen from someone else at one point or another and I've not seen an "English English" one. If I had the time (and the technical ability!) I'd create one, but in the absence of either, I'll just have to make do with the "British English" box for now! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:31, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I've created one! Although it says "English English", the category is still en-gb: {{User:Phantomsteve/User en-en}} which gives:

This user speaks English English.

Regards, -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 23:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Awesome! I shall display that proudly on my userpage! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Haha, I'm thievin' that userbox too, great idea. ~ mazca ^talk 20:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to use it! The more the merrier! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Lenny Hambro

Just back on Wiki after working out in the desert of California for a month... I see you failed the Lenny Hambro page because I wasn't quick enough (9 days) to correct the minor style edits you suggested. Wow! Remind me not to actually show up for my day job in the future. (Wiki really needs a more "active" method of communication vice the passive approach currently embraced.) I'll make the suggsted changes as I find the time (there's that full-time-job thing again) and resubmit. On a positive note, your edits were spot-on and I certainly appreciate your contributions to both my article and the greater wiki... CarlitosCorazon 13:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CharleyHart (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry I failed it, but there was a huge backlog on the nominations page, so it wouldn't be fair to the other 400 articles to have left if for ages. However, feel free to correct the points at your leisure then renominate it when it's ready- it's not too far away so it shouldn't take too long. If you have a day to spare, you should be able to fix everything with a bit of solid work. Do drop me a line when you've renominated it- I'd be happy to review it again because I found it really interesting. I see you have email enabled, so I could email you when I've done the review if you like. Also, when you post on a talk page, could I possibly ask you to put new messages at the bottom and sign with ~~~~. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Polargeo 2-- never saw the like

I agree with Atmoz version, but I've page protected the thing and asked for comment at WT:RFA Cheers, Dlohcierekim 19:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I have no opinion either way but if Atmoz wants to dispute the closure (or part of it), as I've just told him on his talk page, he should take it up with the 'crat who closed it or at WP:BN and shouldn't be modifying a closed discussion. At least you've protected it, though. Saves the whole thing from getting any dafter. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Never was an edit war on a closed RFA before. Crat should not have moved a vote without checking. In fact, his edit summary talked about levity. I have restored the "correct" version and sent it to WT:RFA for a good threshing. Dlohcierekim 19:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I've made my above point at WT:RFA but at least it won't be bugging me on my watchlist any more. The 'crat probably was wrong, but a talk page note or a BN thread wouldn't have hurted. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

FWIW, there was a talk page discussion at the 'crat's page , and they seemed to make a somewhat apologetic note to Atmoz, but apparently didn't see fit to correct the RFA. –xeno^talk 19:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Lady Gaga

Not sure what you meant to do with this edit, but you deleted quite a few recent threads on the talk page. —C.Fred (talk) 21:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear. Not what I meant to do. From a glance at the history, I think I was trying to revert the most recent IP edit and the subsequent edit by Sinebot but it looks like I hit "restore this version" on the wrong target edit. My apologies and thank you for reverting me. If I ever do something that stupid again, please do roll it back! I'll be more careful to look at what I'm clicking! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Not a problem. I figured it was something like that. I've certainly had the occasional "oops, that wasn't the right button" moments myself. Most of the time, I'm lucky and catch it quickly—though it's always right after I hit the button instead of right before. Funny how that works. :) No worries. —C.Fred (talk) 01:16, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm still baffled as to how I managed it, but evidently I wasn't paying enough attention (I saw it at the same time as I saw some more egregious vandalism on Talk:Miley Cyrus)! Thanks for fixing my cock-up anyway. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Sir James Black.jpg listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Sir James Black.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. howcheng {chat} 21:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Your use of rollback

Rollback should only be used to revert obvious vandalism. The edit you reverted here was certainly not vandalism and you used rollback to continue an edit war. Please be more careful in the future or you'll find yourself without the tool. Regards, Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 21:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I hadn't seen any of the preceding crap, I just saw somebody altering an RfA after it had been closed by a 'crat which at face value would appear to be vandalism though I concede that, in context, the edit didn't merit a rollback. As an aside, I'd appreciate an assumption of good faith in similar situations. Thank you for your time, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for noting that. It's not the end of the world, but something to take into account next time. Whilst I indeed should have assumed good faith more, perhaps you should have done that when reverting using rollback - use of rollback automatically suggests bad faith from the editor making the original edit. Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 21:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

You are quite correct. WP:AGF is probably one of the most important yet most often violated policies on WP. I will certainly take greater care in future. Thanks again, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:03, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Kirsten Dunst

That source, "Deadline Hollywood", is not a reliable source. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I know, but there's no point edit warring over it. I've tidied it up and copyedited it and I think we should leave it at that for now. If we can't find a better source for it, then we can remove it in a few days but both you and the IP are on the verge of 3RR so this might just have to be a compromise for now. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Then, you can replace the source with this, as Empire is a reliable source. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Oooh, well found. I must confess I hadn't got round to looking- too busy fixing the references on Lohan! Ugh. If I ever find out who put all the works in the publisher field, I'll give them the world's biggest trout! Lol! I'm roughly 1/3 through so hopefully it'll be ready for you to take another look in a day or 2 but it's bloody tedious! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:34, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Charlotte Church

Well there were two paragraphs that got knocked out by the IP and it's the second that's the reason I reverted. The one about Jonathan Shalit is pretty close to an attack statement and if you want to deep-six it I won't spend much time mourning it. But the second one, especially with the "being diplomatic was not in her nature" comment, I think is quite useful as it gives genuine insight into Charlotte's nature. Tabercil (talk) 00:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I agree on the former- it doesn't add a lot to the article though the latter does so I'll restore that. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:54, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Work faster dude. <G> Tabercil (talk) 00:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I was trying! But alas, you beat me to it! I think it's neutral enough to leave for now. The whole thing needs a bit of a revamp and a facelift really. It can join my "articles to overhaul" list! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:03, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Inglorious admin areas

In a current RfA you mentioned a desire for the candidate to want to work in less glorious areas. What would you say the top five dust-collecting areas of admin activity are? A lot of people talk about how there's very little interest in these areas, but I never see anyone mention any particular neglected backlog by name, so I can't judge for myself whether they're uninteresting or not . . . --~TPW 12:02, 16 April 2010 (UTC) 010 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't know about a "top 5" but I'll give you a few that I think are chronically understaffed. The reason for my comment (and it was a neutral- I wouldn't oppose an otherwise fine candidate over that) was that there seems to be a blinkered view amongst editors and admin candidates, especially (but not exclusively) those with relatively little experience either that if you can reel off a list of acronyms like "CSD, AfD, AIV" that it makes you a better candidate or that those are the only (or the "most important") admin areas. While those are very important areas, there are already a lot of admins working there- yes, they get backlogged, but they're monitored by enough people that someone will usually come along and clean them out before they get completely swamped. Other areas that I think are important, if tucked away are (just examples, not an exclusive list):

• WP:RPP- getting better these days with the help of a few relatively new admins but it can grind to a halt sometimes, especially at certain times (recurring theme but that's to do with UTC v local time zones) and a large number of decisions, especially difficult ones all seem to be made by a small bunch of regulars
• WP:ERRORS- Obviously the Main Page is fully protected, as are all the templates transcluded onto it but many people don't make the connection between full protection and the need for an admin to fix it. You'd be surprised how often some grammatical error or the odd typo creeps in on what's supposed to be our "welcome mat" that says "look at all the impressive articles we can write- whatever you read in the tabloids"
• CAT:EP- popular opinion seems to think that using {{editprotected}} emits a sound that only admins can hear and causes them to swoop out of the sky. Alas not, it adds the talk page to this category
• CAT:RFUB- unblock requests awaiting evaluation, sometimes easy (mistaken blocks/autoblocks or the "no chance!"s), some requiring quite a lot of evaluating
• CAT:PROD- PRODded articles don't delete themselves after they expire and again might require considerable judgement and the recently PRODded are worth patrolling to make sure the concern is legit, some may be eligible for speedy, some should go to AfD
• WP:UAA- to a lesser extent than the others, but it can clog up and it doesn't get the same attention that AIV does

That's 6 and there are certainly more (I could have cite WP:AE but that's a little controversial at the minute and probably not an area a new admin should wander into blindly- I'm very much a subscriber to the "no big deal" philosophy, but adminship is not just about a few "important" or "traditional" areas. Are you considering an RfA of your own? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I have been down that road before my name change. I wasn't at all sure what I would have wanted to do with the tools, other than some vague assertion of "backlogs." If I ever repeat the process down the line I would hope to sound a wee bit more prepared for the essay section the second time around! This list is just the sort of thing I was hoping for - thanks!--~TPW 03:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah. I vaguely remember that so I went back to have a look and I see I was neutral #2. Why the name change, if you don't mind my asking? At a glance at the RfA, if you were to stand again in a few months, you might have a fair chance. Some of the answers are quite weak, but others are strong and well grounded in policy (hence neutral I suppose). If you were to run again, I'd suggest you spend a month or two loitering in admin-y areas, for example, the Main Page (I only use at as an example because I know the area well)- you could get involved at T:TDYK reviewing hooks and moving the queues up as far as possible before the pages are fully protected, weigh in or even nominate and update at WP:ITN/C, keep an eye on T:MP (though frankly I don't like it there- I honestly think the atmosphere at ANI is healthier than there) and WP:ERRORS where you can make useful suggestions for improvements which often means that things can be corrected quicker and before too long, you'll think "this would be a lot easier if I could edit the damn templates!". What many people don't seem to realise is that there is plenty of behind-the-scenes work that doesn't require administrator tools. You got a bit of opposition over your lack of recognised content- contrary to popular opinion, GA is easier said than done (I review them and I've got 4 of my own so I'd know) but by taking up reviewing at WP:GAN, you would have something to fend off the MMORPG-type opposes. I hope that helps if you ever consider sanding again (and I honestly think there;s no reason why you shouldn't). Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

For truly inglorious admin areas, try CAT:NC and CAT:NCT. Shubinator (talk) 16:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, they can join the list! I can't say I'm surprised they collect dust, though! Where did you come from anyway? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I was spying on you with a telescope from Mars. Nah, I was flipping through some discussions to update myself on the goings-on of the wiki and saw this thread. Those cats used to be fine; now there's a bot that runs around tagging images now at commons (it uploads the pictures to Commons first I think) which is why those cats have exploded now. Shubinator (talk) 16:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Well it's always a pleasure to hear from you! You should go over and clean them up with your nice shiny mop! Hardly the most interesting area, though! We ought to make people upload all free images to commons and just leave us with the fair use ones locally (I think simplewiki do that) and then at least there wouldn't be new images to add to the cats every day! I used to think bots created more work than they saved (this being a good example). Then I clerked AIV for 2 days while the helperbots were down. Now I love bots! I haven't seen you dealing with comma complaints on WP:ERRORS lately. What are you doing with that mop of yours? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm being given more and more to do in RL, so I haven't been on much. I did duplicate my mop though, and the duplicate's doing well. I try to check in daily to make sure it hasn't deleted the Main Page. Shubinator (talk) 17:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Another in that vein: Category:File renaming. Shubinator (talk) 17:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh fun! More images, what better way for an admin to prove they're not after glory! Nice going on the bot- I've had a visit or 2 from it. Btw, if you have time (and technical knowledge far superior to my own ;)!) could you have a look a my archive configuration to see if I've done it right (I was hoping the bot would have archived it by now). Cheers, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Archives

Hi there.. I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, or if you are the right person but I have looked in several places and not been able to come up with the solution. Since you have an archive section on your talk page, I've decided to ask you. How do you set one up? If you have a quick look at my talk page, I have copied the code for the archive bot and setup the archive box (which should contain the links to each achive). But I just can't get it to work. Could you please help? I don't mind if you edit my talk page to fix any bad code. If you're not the person to ask, please point me in the right direction.

Oh, and another question, how do I nominate an article that I have recently updated so that it can be displayed in the wikinews section? Again, couldn't find any info on that. Thanks -- LogicDictates (talk) 13:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for dropping by. You can ask me all to WP-related questions you like. I might not be able to answer all of them, but I'll probably know someone who can! You're in luck with those 2 questions though, because I can answer them. The easiest way to archive your talk page is really easy (which explains how I managed!). Simply click "edit this page" at the very top, highlight all the text you want to archive and cut it (ctrl-x if you're using Windows) then go to User talk:LogicDictates/Archive 1 and paste the text (ctrl-v in Windows) into the edit box. You might want to use {{archive}} at the top or put {{archivetop}} at the top and {{archivebottom}} at the bottom to indicate that it's an archive. Once you've done that, you should have a nice shiny archive and a nice clean talk page. You can just link it from your talk page using [[]] if you want- I don't use a box, though I might have to next time I archive this page because I have quite a few archives!

Now, to your second question. If you mean the In the news section of the Main Page, the page you want is WP:ITN/C where you should create a new sub header under today's header containing a link to the updated article, briefly explain why you think the item is important enough to go up, provide a link to news webiste (like this: [http://www.example.com example] then sign it. Bear in mind that a lot of nominations aren't successful, but don't be put off if it doesn't go up- you can comment on other nominations and keep making nominations of your own and help out by creating or updating articles for current events that have already been nominated. I hope that helps. Feel free to ask any other lingering questions! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply. I've half understood what to do about submitting a candidate for the ITN section. I'll try it out before getting back to you. Regarding the archives, I thought a bot would do it automatically which is why I thought that script existed? Do I have to do this manually everytime I want something moved to the archive? -- LogicDictates (talk) 09:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

You don't have to, but unless your talk page gets very long very quickly, it's probably the easiest way. Let me know how you get on with ITN- I spend quite a bit of time there, so I'll be able to help you out if you get stuck. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

A humble request for a copyedit on Joseph Grinnell

My peer reviewer suggested I come here, so here I am, hat in hand. :) The archived peer review is here. My in-house editor (read husband) is a journalist/newspaperman, so I hope any mistakes are minor ones in the article. He is always reminding me not to "back into" a sentence, which I continue to do, for some reason.

"Active voice!" is the command on the post-it note on my forehead. Ha! Please respond here on your talk page to keep content together. You can also e-mail me, if you wish. Cheers Marcia Wright (talk) 17:00, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Out of curiosity, here specifically or just to a copyeditor? I'll certainly be more than happy to take a look, but I'm unbelievably busy atm so I might not be able to make changes myself (though I'll find time to fix any of my pet hates!) but I promise to leave some useful MoS/prose-related feedback on the peer review if I don't have time to do it myself! Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

The reviewer just mentioned the Wikipedia copyeditor area generally-I picked your name from the list. I would prefer to correct the mistakes myself, which should save you time. Is that okay? Just hand me a list (hopefully a short list) of things you see needing attention, and I will work on those corrections. I'm dreaming of a GA-class rating for this article during my lifetime. I'm basically the creator of the article, the first graph in lede was the existing stub before I expanded it during the last several months. Cheers Marcia Wright (talk) 00:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. That works for me. I should be able to get to it tomorrow. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

MrWashaboo

Hi! Thanks for the advice. I continued the discussion here at Bradjamesbrown talk. --TudorTulok (talk) 19:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

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Then fix the issue.

Thank you. --Christoph Balasse (talk) 01:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

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