<strike>Three</strike> '''Four''' people were killled and two were injured after a shooting in a Jewish school in the city of Toulouse, France. - <font face="verdana">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:#E32636">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:#333399">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]][[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:#C90016">(14) ®</span>]]</font> 08:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
<strike>Three</strike> '''Four''' people were killled and two were injured after a shooting in a Jewish school in the city of Toulouse, France. - <font face="verdana">[[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:#E32636">'''Eugεn'''</span>]][[User talk:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:#333399">'''S¡m¡on'''</span>]][[User:Eugen Simion 14|<span style="color:#C90016">(14) ®</span>]]</font> 08:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
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Syrian security forces continued to bombard a neighborhood in a neighborhood of Homs and at least 79 people were reported killed across Syria, including 42 in Homs. (CNN)
Rebelling government troops in Mali storm the state broadcaster in the capital Bamako. (Al Jazeera)
The annual report of the Jerusalem-based B'Tselem organisation states that in 2011, 105 Palestinians were killed by Israeli security forces in the Gaza Strip, 37 of whom are listed as non-combatants, and that Palestinian militants killed 11 Israeli civilians, among them a couple and three of their children murdered in their home. (Al Jazeera)(Ynet)
Iraq is terrorised by unconfirmed reports of extremists crushing the skulls of emos with blocks of cement. (BBC)
Nick Smith resigns as New Zealand's Minister for the Environment, Minister for Climate Change Issues and Minister for Local Government due to improper conduct. (AP via Washington Post)
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Comment. I'm not completely opposed to this being posted, but think its position as ITNR is highly questionable. So, I think it makes sense to ask for more than a one-sentence update. FormerIP (talk) 13:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Jamie Waylett is convicted of participating in violent disorder and handling stolen goods, but cleared of intent to destroy or damage property during last year's riots throughout England. Waylett is jailed for two years. (BBC)
Business and Economy
India's official poverty rate falls to an all-time record low of 29.8% for the 2009-2010 survey. (BBC)
I've added two more unique sources to both the article and above. Does that help? If there is something else you need me to do, let me know. --Jayron3223:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Forgive me, but this is basically a website launch, interesting though the contents may be. It's not even quite correct that they are publishing the collection online: "At present, only a selection of documents ... are available". FormerIP (talk) 23:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I like the idea of the papers being released. However, the story is more of an event than the papers are, really, so I can't see this being on the front page doktorbwordsdeeds02:25, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At least 30 people are reported killed in fighting between Syrian rebels and government forces in the Damascus neighborhood of al-Mazzeh. (CNN)
Russian anti-terror troops reportedly enter Syria. (Fox News)
Confidential documents that surfaced provide a look into the regime's strategy to suppress the anti-government protests. (Al Jazeera)(The Guardian)
Bahraini uprising: Bahraini opposition groups prepare to talk to the ruling monarchy as the government continues to crackdown on protests across the nation. (Al Jazeera)
Indonesian police kill five men suspected of planning robberies in order to fund terrorism. (BBC)
I don't know much about Aussie rules football, but this seems good to go up there, seeing the media coverage. Would be better if the blurb was shortened. Lynch719:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm curious as to your reasons for opposing. I very rarely nominate stuff here, and thought hard about this one, so I'd like to know why. HiLo48 (talk) 19:45, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Originally, I was going to flat-out oppose on the basis of significance of impact, but then I saw mention of the state funeral, which changed my mind. But I think, given the two options, that the funeral will make for a better occasion to post. FormerIP (talk) 20:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I would ever nominate any other Australian football player death. To me, this is probably the most significant individual player death that could come from that sport. (And he didn't even play for my club!) He was a lot more than just a player, and achieved great things off the playing field too. Do you ever support the death of any player from any sport being here at ITN. We seem to have plenty. HiLo48 (talk) 21:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think I supported Gary Speed and, like I say, I basically support this one, but think a state funeral trumps the announcement of a death. FormerIP (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support - if the blurb is changed. ('a giant' removed and last statement about continuing leadership removed) Otherwise definitely notable enough for ITN. Karl 334☞Talk ☜20:06, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The "giant" bit was extracted from one of the sources, hence the quote marks. I was trying to emphasise how significant Jim Stynes was. HiLo48 (talk) 21:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We're not a news ticker or the PA, so this shooting (as tragic as it is) does not have enough about it to justify front page prominence. In short, "Meh" doktorbwordsdeeds10:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Death toll now stands at four from this event, which is being linked to two incidents in the past few days in the same area in which four north African soldiers were shot, three fatally. School shootings are mercifully rare in Europe; this is a genuinely exceptional event. And while I fully respect other wikipedians' right to !vote 'oppose' here, I for one would prefer it if (probably) anti-Semitic murders were not greeted with responses of 'Meh'. Have a little decency, please. AlexTiefling (talk) 10:15, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but to be frank, anti-Semitic murders are still murders. If it was four WASPs or four African-Americans or four South Asians I'd still say "meh". It has nothing to do with their ethnicity — for you to suggest my oppose is based on that is ludicrous. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 11:31, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. My view stands, even if you omit the suggestion that the killings were anti-Semitic. 'Meh' is no argument for opposing the posting of this story, and it's a fairly pitiful response to a multiple murder. AlexTiefling (talk) 11:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, agree with 'meh' votes. Antisemitic violence especially in the United States, Europe, Middle East or anywhere for that matter is not significant. Tragic but with a death toll of 4, it surely doesn't belong on ITN. YuMaNuMaContrib10:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Anti-Semitic violence of this nature is most certainly not common place or insignificant. Though at the moment, it looks like this might be one nutter. No real link as of yet.--Τασουλα (talk) 11:14, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Late night so I can't be bothered finding sources of Google, check the Antisemitic article, I'm pretty sure antisemitic sentiments and ideas are quite high in Europe which should correspond to violence to an extent. I shouldn't even be arguing that last point because an antisemitic motive is speculation, the perpetrator hasn't even be caught yet. Oh right, I brought up antisemitism, anyways I agree with Strange Passerby, these are simply murders or a random shooting spree and classing them as a racially or culturally motivated murder is speculation hence why it's insignificant. YuMaNuMaContrib11:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The motivation doesn't matter. By my calculations, these three incidents between them account for 1% of all expected murders in France this year. Spree shootings are not commonplace here in Europe. The murder rate per capita in France is just 22% of that in the USA. My current recommendation is wait and see. If there's a police statement formally linking the three incidents (see below - AT), we should update the article to reflect this, and run a headline that covers all three. If not, continue to wait and see what's said about this incident. It's worth noting, though, that according to the BBC, the city of Toulouse is in a state of lockdown as police scour it for the gunman, and President Sarkozy has described the event as a 'national tragedy'. AlexTiefling (talk) 12:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nor are federal or even state corruption cases in Australia but generally corruption is common in the globe thus making it insignificant to Wikipedia's ITN section in most cases. Issues must be looked at from a world view when considering its inclusion in ITN, I know this hasn't been the case for all the incidents we post up there but it should. YuMaNuMaContrib13:08, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is clearly more notable than an ordinary murder. It has drawn immediate international reaction. The ethnic/religious angle will draw interest from many readers. Even without ethnic angle, isn't a multi-death school shooting in France reasonably rare?--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:28, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support If the shooting was inspired by antisemitism or racism, then it should be posted. France is a powder-keg for Jewish affairs so this kind of event is noteworthy. France is considering the attack as an act of terrorism, rather than a homicide. WikifanBe nice16:24, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support - for the possible line to antisemitism. And per the heated reactions already made by Israel and other states.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment According to the BBC, the police are now formally treating the three shootings as linked. I think the wider article should be the one we link to from the home page. Arguably, the specific one about today's shootings should be merged to the other one; otherwise, I think the accusation of recentism might have some merit. But this is clearly not everyday street crime; it is not being treated as such by the authorities, or by reliable media sources. I continue to be unmoved by 'meh' as an argument in any case, but especially this one. AlexTiefling (talk) 20:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The news event ought to be the linking of the three shootings, rather than the last of the three happening. (e.g. Police in Toulouse, France, launch a manhunt for the perpetrator of 3 recent shootings, in which 7 people have died.) --FormerIP (talk) 20:01, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest possible oppose there is absolutely zero evidence that the attack was ethnically motivated. Even if it was, that has absolutely zero relevance to the notability. Four kids are dead and that's sad, but we make a sour face for school shootings all the time. If some group claimed responsibility for the attacks then it would be noteworthy, but for now, it's just another random tragedy. That the victims were children is meaningless. I urge restraint on behalf of the admins to consider this as the every day tragedy it is, and not give in to the random drive by supports fueled by media hype that this was a Muslim attack on Jewish children. --76.18.43.253 (talk) 20:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My support is not based on claims of motivation. (Contra the claims of a Muslim perpetrator, I've seen it asserted that Muslims have also been targeted.) My belief in the notability of this incident is that it is a dramatic, high-profile series of killings, all attributed to the same culprit. This is not an 'everyday' tragedy, this is an exceptional event. AlexTiefling (talk) 20:34, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support if merged, oppose if not. The notability here is that people have been shot dead in separate incidents, days apart, in a developed country, and by what is believed to be the same culprit(s). That the latest set of victims were civilians and that anti-Semetism might have been a motivation are both factors which have added to the interest in this outside France, but they are not the decisive factors. It is the link between the shootings that takes today's incident from a tragic but nonetheless non-ITN one, to something that probably merits posting. —WFC— 20:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
support only if merged, otherwise oppose. I agree with WFC here - the ITN worthy notability is multiple attacks taking place over several days, not the latest deaths in isolation. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support if merged and wait. The link between the two incidents has been 99% confirmed. If proven to be a hate crime, since they're suspecting some Paratrooper who has been evicted from his unite in Toulouse for NeoNazi activity (precisely for this image), then this incident could drastically influence France's presidential campaign which has been, so far, plagued by overtly cynical xenophobic remarks. --Tachfin (talk) 05:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now - the shooting at the Jewish school by itself is not notable enough, should be merged in an article about all the shootings in the area. If so, I support adding it. Mythic Writerlord (talk) 06:42, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support if merged - so we can have something more substantial to link to. 3 coordinated killings makes notability. Oh, and on Alex above and the "meh": so being so touchy. Just because they're Jews doesn't meant the killings are necessarily anti-Semite - we're not here to be emotionally correct but down to the point. Voomie (talk) 11:51, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say that 'meh' was an inadequate reason, and a pathetic response to murder, whoever the victims had been. How often do I need to say this? AlexTiefling (talk) 11:57, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
France has raised Vigipirate to "scarlet", the highest possible level, which is not equivalent to martial law but which is pretty close; all the presidential candidates have suspended their campaigns. "In the wake of twothree spree killings in Toulouse, France raises its Vigipirate terror alert system to 'scarlet', the highest possible level." DS (talk) 15:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Posting a such shooting perhaps does not suffice for ITN, but it's much more significant and clearly sufficient if we post the whole series of shootings. I also support a merger between the articles, though it's an issue that should be resolved on the correspondent talk page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. If this story is going to be posted before it goes stale, someone with tools is going to have to be bold and close the merge discussion. FormerIP (talk) 17:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and BOLDly closed the discussion and did the merge. I won't promote the story myself as I would prefer another admin "OK" this action since I did just violate convention by closing a discussion merely 24 hours old. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:51, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion it's good to go now. Suggested interim blurb: Police besiege the building occupied by a man suspected of shooting dead seven people in Southern France. Once something has actually been posted on ITN, we're usually relatively good at keeping the story up to date. —WFC— 20:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
British journalists Gareth Montgomery-Johnson and Nicholas Davies-Jones, detained last month in Libya after being accused of entering the country illegally, have been released the country's Interior Ministry confirms. (BBC)
Two hospitalnurses are arrested in the Uruguayan capital Montevideo in connection with the suspicious death of dozens of patients over several years at two hospitals. (MSNBC)
Comment This is something that I would like to support, but the acquisition was principally announced on 16 March and we already have the earliest news in current ITN that happened on that date. It's also weird to me the article about Bell Media to lack general financial information and have a much shorter copy than the other about Astral Media.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We could push this discussion back to the other discussions on 16 March. I logged in today and was surprised to find that it hadn't been included in the news, so I suggested it now. In regards to your comment about Bell Media's financial information, I think a lot of the information is held at the parent company's article page, Bell Canada. Thank you for your comments and I look forward to other people's comments (and hopefully support). Regards, Whenaxistalk·contribs | DR goes to Wikimania!22:31, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So far we use to nominate new items under the date of nomination, not when the event happens. But let's first see more comments and then come up with any conclusion. Best.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 01:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
oppose in pure business and $ terms (CAD is same as USD) this takeover isn't all that big compared to some recent ones. We should limit takeovers to large multinational companies only where $ amounts are exceptional. -- Ashish-g5500:14, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Conclusion of the World Cup in a very popular winter sport with high attendance and decent media coverage should be included. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
While in principle I could support, there's an ugly orange tag at the top of the article. And there's really little text (though the skiing article is not really prosaic, it's still better structured.) Talking about winter sports, what about 2011–12 FIS Ski Jumping World Cup? A very popular, though mainly a spectator sport. Though it could have some prose as well. --Tone14:41, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm not denying the veracity of the story, but it appears to be an unconfirmed death by the looks of the article. Also, part of the update consists of an incomplete sentence. --FormerIP (talk) 17:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
can you he;lp discussion consensus to resolve...i stuck with his abject refusal t for the need to cite RS sources and to stick with the version as if he OWNS the article.Lihaas (talk) 19:33, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weve got a discussion and accomodation but one user demnds to have his way as the "Status quo" (and hypocritically tell me wont hae "my version" as the status quo), refuses to cite, refuses to accomodate by OTHER editors on the page. One of which gave the perfectly reasonably statement "you could just wait until the facts are known" which is exactly what im saying to cite it with no issue of either contnt.
So what't the thing with succession now? It would be nice to mention the successor in the blurb as well. --Tone10:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed as sucessor not as monarch 9what the abusive diktats of WP editor seems to believe that he doesnt need anythin gbut his word.Lihaas (talk) 14:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
There is a perfectly adequate article about the event (election) (German presidential election, 2012) and additionally a perfectly adequate section on the election in the relevant biography. The entire article German presidential election, 2012 relates to the election/event that took place today, not only the material on the most recent developments. When it comes to the actual voting today, there is hardly much more to say. Do I need to point out examples, one after another, of events posted with much shorter articles and less updating? Josh Gorand (talk)
Article needs updating The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Won what? Tiddlywinks? (Yeah, I know I could click the link, but if you want your obsession to have any chance of being posted, you'd gain a lot more support by telling us.) HiLo48 (talk) 05:35, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not Ready the article is all results tables and bullet point sports trivia. Could use a few paragraphs, or at least one per week. Finally a word or two about the format of the competition in the lead would help a random drive by reader understand what happened. --76.18.43.253 (talk) 18:42, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Pope Benedict XVI launches an internal investigation into leaks of confidential documents alleging corruption, financial mismanagement and power struggles among senior church officials. (AP)
Chinese leaders urge officials and residents in Chongqing to support the change of leadership in the city, after former chief Bo Xilai was removed. (Taipei Times)
Leaders of the African Union meet in Benin to discuss a resolution of the leadership crisis after deadlocked elections in January. (IOL)
Fabrice Muamba collapses on live television in the 41st minute of the FA Cup quarter-final between Tottenham Hotspur and Bolton Wanderers. The match is abandoned, and Muamba is rushed to a London hospital in critical condition after being resuscitated for several minutes on the pitch. (The Guardian)(BBC)(Sky)
Oppose, If he wins a seat, and actually takes it then come back, but my understanding is he has not even picked which state to run in; so this just has the feal of "I've not been in the news for a while, what can I say on a weekend that will turn what otherwise would be a slow news day that will get me reported on." type of a press statement. Mtking (edits) 00:54, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you're saying, but in the case he does win a seat the more prominent news would be which party won the election, so it would be best to show this news at the current time Iamstupido (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Meh, leaning oppose. I've been watching the Australian news shows this morning and it's definitely not being treated as major news; more an amusing note that gets tacked on at the end of the real political stories. He hasn't even decided which state he's running in. Jenks24 (talk) 00:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, considering Wikileaks is headed by Julian Assange, unless there is a significant reason not to trust this Twitter account we can say that it is as if it is coming from Julian Assange himself (sorry for that mangled sentence). Iamstupido (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's worth telling non-Australians that our Senate elections always attract a lot of candidates, many of whom have no hope of getting elected. The record was 264 candidates listed on a ballot paper for New South Wales, measuring one metre by 700mm, quickly nicknamed the ‘tablecloth’. Regulations have been tightened up a little since then, but a number between 50 and 100 candidates is still common. From those 50 to 100 candidates, ten Senators are elected. Party voting "instructions" typically control the first seven or eight successful candidates, but luck of preferences can lead to unexpected results for the tenth place. So we'll never know until a couple of weeks after the election, probably around the middle of next year. HiLo48 (talk) 02:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Someone announces he will run for... Not sure that he will really run. Not sure that he gets elected. The election date is not even fix, so the registration of his candidacy is impossible for the time being. Definitely not for ITN --RJFF (talk) 01:29, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is not news, it's a press release, and Mr Assange is getting to the point where he's better known for those than anything else. This is not for the front page, this is for the recycling bin doktorbwordsdeeds03:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak to middling oppose. I don't think it goes without saying at all. He was 88 years old and head of a church - but there are a lot of churches in the world. FormerIP (talk) 23:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose albeit not strongly so. The Church of Alexandria is distinct from the main Orthodox Church and has been since the dark ages. We're talking about a church of ~15 million adherents, most of whom are in Egypt. The comparison to Rowan Williams is a good one - he represents more adherents and a much wider geographical scope, although I would acknowledge resignation is perhaps less notable than death in office. Crispmuncher (talk) 02:54, 18 March 2012 (UTC).[reply]
Would definately support the posting of a ne w head of the anlican church (probs sbhuld be ITNR)
Also: query would be more notable if figures from al nour, etc show up at his funeral? any word there yet? March 14 figures were there for Fadlallah's fneral (even March 14 christians)Lihaas (talk) 08:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
support as notable and globalised where the eastern church (in egypt, the original christians eeven) is rarely mentioned...i would, however, add hisreplacement if there is one or how it will work.
Support. Unquestionably for in the news, important religious figure and dying in office too. Egypt's Christian minority is large and well spoken for. --Τασουλα (talk) 09:04, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article needs more sources as most of the article is without refs. However, the parts about his death are well-referenced. I believe posting now would lead to significant article improvement. What do you think? --Tone10:05, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree with Lihaas and Tone, the article is indeed in need of some updating in the sauce department/General POV Τασουλα (talk) 10:29, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
POSTED? you (general, not specific) talk of updates to articles and this has TWO sentences, one of which is a media tag line "died on X at age Y"
supports on ANY ITNC are always subject to the quality of the update not the vote counting consensus for it. (as with bahrain which was remove due to the hideous tags)Lihaas (talk) 11:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well anyhoo instead of sitting and arguing over here at ITNC at least went out and did something to the article...should et a barnstar ;)Lihaas (talk) 15:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose he wasn't exactly a significant Nazi, suggest recent deaths. I was totally blown away though by reading this. How does Israel have jurisdiction to execute Nazi war criminals? Convicted, then overturned. Mistaken identity? All this for a prison guard. I don't condone the Nazis or their actions, but this guy was put through an extraordinary amount of BS. Also oppose convicted in the blurb, total sham. Anyway.... --76.18.43.253 (talk) 14:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Almost everything you write is jaw-dropping. Yes, he wasn't Mengele, but his case was incredibly notable, over a very long period of time. Your rant about Israel continues the jaw-dropping - a US court decided Israel had jurisdiction... and he wasn't executed by them. Best of all, "this guy was put through an extraordinary amount of BS" - tell that to the tens of thousands of people for whom he was convicted by a German court of being an accessory to murder. None of which has anything to do with whether this story is of sufficient notability for our Main Page. --Dweller (talk) 20:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support One of the most notable war crimes stories in the world over a period of about 25 years, as his case was heard by various courts in different countries. His name will resonate with people all over the world. --Dweller (talk) 20:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - An evil bastard, but a relatively insignificant one. More to the point, the fact of his death adds very little to the story, and has no further newsworthy consequences. AlexTiefling (talk) 22:45, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - He died unsurprisingly of old age (91) and it is not foreseeable that his death might have any major impact. --RJFF (talk) 23:40, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So? There are still 40 other countries worldwide that still execute people, I honestly don't think geographical boundaries should ever come into discussion in anything not related to geography. When assessing accidents or disasters we already get too much of that and IMO it's not a good precedent to set to say "it's Europe, where it doesn't happen". Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 12:48, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If there were major protests from European countries threatening relations to Belarus then maybe, but most of Europe already has poor relations to Belarus and consider it a dictatorship. This is just another execution in the World. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:31, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
support execution for an incident like this is rare anywhere be it the usa, india, etc. (Even china?). Only Iran and Jundulllah come to mind, which i believe we posted. ALso we can use the said article aboe with a section on investigation/trial/.execution/sentenceLihaas (talk) 06:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It is not notable that a country which uses capital punishment has used capital punishment unless there are circumstances which mark out the crime and its sentence as particularly unusual or extreme. In this case, as has been articulated so well above, this story ticks very few boxes. It's not enough to justify front page prominence. doktorbwordsdeeds11:12, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For an ACTUAL intl notable incident like this? (never mind f the case was roughed up, in which case its MORE notable)Lihaas (talk) 19:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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