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November 20

Birthplace of Selena Quintanilla's parents?

I know that the dead Tejano singer Selena Quintanilla was born in Lake Jackson, Texas, but Selena's mother is half Cherokee and half Mexican and her father is a Mexican American, but other sources say he's Mexican. Where were her parents born? Haven't seen any information about that yet for some reason. Willminator (talk) 00:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Our article on her father Abraham Quintanilla, Jr. says he was born in Corpus Christi. Rmhermen (talk) 01:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that answers one part of my question. Now, what about Selena's mother? Where was she born? I still can't find any information on that. Willminator (talk) 02:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

P.S: I saw an answer on Wiki.answers that says that Marcella Quintanilla was born in Wapato, Washington, but I haven't seen any reputable source or any other source outside of Wiki.answers that answers where she was born exactly. Where was she born and where can I find this information? Willminator (talk) 17:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

If she was born in or before 1940, she would be in the 1940 US Census, although I don't know if that is indexed or not. RNealK (talk) 03:44, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

You could phone the Selena museum (361-289-9013). The best email address I could find is for media/public relations for the company that runs it: qpr@q-productions.com. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey, guess what? I just phoned the Selena museum like you suggested. A guy picked up the phone and then I asked him my question. He said that Selena's mother, Marcella, was born in the U.S, but he doesn't remember where in the U.S, which I thought it was kind of odd that he didn't know where in the U.S. Anyway, half of that part of the second part of the question has been answered, or in total three quarters of my question has been answered. Now that it has been confirmed to me that she was born in the U.S, I'd like to know where in the U.S Selena's mother was born. Willminator (talk) 17:37, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

P.S: As you also suggested, I just wrote an email to the email address you sent me. Let's see if I get a response. I will let you know what the response says when I get one. Hopefully, the response would be a better one. Willminator (talk) 17:47, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I have not received a reply back from q-productions yet, but I did find out that Marcella's father originated from Amarillo, while her mother was from Colorado, which makes her have more American heritage than I thought. Question almost completely answered.... Willminator (talk) 18:59, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Rolaids Relief Man Award

Can anyone find out what happened to the Rolaids Relief Man Award, given annually to the best relief pitchers in the National League and American League ? The award's web site has gone dead, no announcement about winners was made this year, but I can't find anything that states the award has been discontinued. I suspect there may be something about the sponsorship from Rolaids running out, but again, I can't find any source to confirm this, or any indication that a replacement award has been created. The award has been given out since 1976 and is quite prestigious, so I'm baffled that it seems to have disappeared without a trace or any public comment. --Xuxl (talk) 09:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't surprise me. If the makers of Rolaids decided they could get more bang for the buck with some other form of advertisement or sponsorship, they would want to avoid the negative press associated with withdrawing their sponsorship here, by ending it silently. For comparison, you see all sorts of announcements that new TV shows are arriving, but when is the last time you saw an announcement that one has been canceled ? StuRat (talk) 11:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

They use codes these days, Stu. A new show gets a big hypatious build-up for a few weeks (or months in some cases). But if, 3 weeks in, they announce the "season finale" will be next week, and be sure not to miss it, when they never said up front it was only ever going to be a 4-week season, you know there ain't gonna be no 2nd "season". Or when a new show is suddenly moved to a "special time", and maybe more than one such move, before the almost inevitable unexpected "season finale", that's code for "it's really not doing very well and we're seeing if more than few dozen people will watch it if we try a different time slot, before giving up entirely". Then, if you watch their nightly consumer watch program masquerading as a current affairs program, they'll be coming down hard on companies that engage in false and misleading and tricky advertising and other underhand and dishonest business practices. What a joke. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 17:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It almost makes you feel like you need a Rolaid, doesn't it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

A key question would be what date the award was announced in past years. I've been unable to locate that info. But one thing Xuxl could do is post an email from the Rolaids website and ask when this year's winner will be announced, or some other equally good leading question. If you get no answer, that might be the answer. It's worth pointing out that MLB has been issuing some kind of award for several years now. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Exploring the mlb. com site, I see they list the award winners from 1976-2006 without mentioning the sponsor, but omit the last few seasons. The mlb site also has the DHL Delivery Man Award, sponsored by DHL, but that's for one reliever per league, as voted on by fans. The Sporting News also had its own award (running from 1960 to 2010, see The Sporting News Reliever of the Year Award), but that also seems to have been discontinued. So it seems that there is no award for the best reliever in each league anymore. Unfortunately, I don't think this is enough to update the Rolaids Relief Man Award article, given the lack of a reliable source. --Xuxl (talk) 13:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

The MLB site has had a lone reliever of the year dating from 2006 to 2012. I saw some chatter about renaming the award for Mariano Rivera, but if they've discontinued these kinds of awards then it becomes moot. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Baseball-Reference.com has awards listed up to 2012 and says that the award seems to have been discontinued at that point. Matt Deres (talk) 00:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

November 22

I have a question about Japanese shows that are westernize here in North America

So I have found out recently that the so-called Power_Rangers franchise is a westernize franchise of the Japanese franchise Super_sentai for English speaking countries. I'm just curious, how many Japanese TV shows besides anime of course are made for westernize English-language adaptions? Venustar84 (talk) 21:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

If by "Westernize" you mean taking existing footage and repurposing it into a new product, than the game show Takeshi's Castle became MXC. Mingmingla (talk) 22:27, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

What's Up, Tiger Lily? would be a pioneering effort in this field. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:44, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

If we're looking at movies, The Magnificent Seven (1960) is a remake of Seven Samurai (1954). HiLo48 (talk) 21:28, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

That was a remake rather than a recutting of the same film, but they're both great epics, the one following the other's general plot line pretty closely. (Given the setting, you could say it was literally "westernized".) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:20, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I loved the fact that one of the seven in Seven Samurai was bald headed, and his first appearance showed him splitting firewood. Then the Hollywood producers used Yul Brynner for the equivalent character, and in his first scene, he was... splitting firewood. I thought that was the ultimate in being blatantly derivative. HiLo48 (talk) 03:11, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey, if you're going to do a remake, don't do it halfway! I wonder if the Japanese theme music for Seven Samurai was likewise used for advertising something in Japan? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:52, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

HiLo you are mixing up a couple characters in Seven Samurai. When we first see Takashi Shimura who plays Kambei Shimada, the eventual leader of the seven, he has a full head of hair. He then has it shaved off so he can pretend to be a Buddhist priest in order to rescue a baby that is being held hostage by a crazed bandit. Later in the film Gorobei (who has become a sort of second in command) finds Heihachi Hayashida, played by the marvelous Minoru Chiaki, chopping wood in exchange for a meal - he has a full head of hair throughout the film. Gorobei recruits him to the cause in a humerous scene.. In spite of that you are correct that the leaders in both films have shaved heads - though Kambei's hair does grow back a bit as the film proceeds. I have always wondered if Brynner was cast because of his bald head or if it was just a coincidence. MarnetteD | Talk 05:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

In case the OP is curious, you can add endings onto wikilinked words simply by placing the ending on the other side of the square brackets, so that [[westernize]]d becomes westernized. You can also use what are called "piped links" to direct people to an article without going through the redirect, so that [[Westernization|westernize]]d also becomes westernized. Not a big deal; just FYI. Matt Deres (talk) 21:48, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Not exactly a TV show, but Godzilla was Raymond Burrized, leading to a long trend of Westernizing the franchise, ranging from minor changes in translation to major revamps to a full-on movie about a large iguana. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:05, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Several Studio Ghibli movies have been released by Disney with some Westernisation. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 00:55, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

November 23

Marvel comics

Hi guys,

I come from France and as many Europeans, I don't know anything about US comics. I'd like to know some things about it:

1. Does every super hero still has a comics running every week? like Batman or Superman, are they still published?
2. Are comic books about only one character or can you find stories about Hulk, Thor, Batman, etc in the same book?
3. We always see soft books in movies, do you have hard ones too? Like the comics we have in Europe (Asterix for example if you've ever heard about it)
4. Are those stories short stories are is it a long story to follow weeks after weeks? Could I buy any new comics or would I be totally lost in the story?
5. What is the average price of a new comics book? Are they popular amongst all ages and social categories in the States?
6. And last questions, are European comics famous in US? Do you know about Smurfs, Tintin, Asterix or Spirou?

Thanks a lot!

Eric 92.97.194.203 (talk) 17:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I numbered your list for easier answering. For 6, most Americans old enough know the Smurfs, it was a very popular TV cartoon here for while. There was also a fairly recent movie, so youngsters probably also know them. I learned about Asterix from the video games he appeared in (some really good ones at the end of the 90s arcade era). Tintin also had a recent US movie, I don't know who Spirou is. I can't speak for all Americans, but most of those names have at least some currency here :) SemanticMantis (talk) 17:23, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

1. Superhero books are generally not weekly. I think some newspapers still carry the daily Spiderman/Superman comic, but like most other strips in the paper, they're more like fossils than actual entertainment. Most comic books are published monthly or bi-monthly (meaning every two months).
2. Well, there are team books, such as Uncanny X-Men or The Avengers, and numerous solo books. Marvel has occasionally experimented with anthology series, but they rarely seem to do well these days. Back in the 1960s, they were much more popular (Tales of Suspense, Tales to Astonish and so on).
3. Yes, there are hardbound comic books. They're usually referred to as graphic novels.
4. There is a mixture, but most series contain ongoing stories. For this reason, series are often "stopped" and restarted in a new volume, with a new #1 issue. If you start reading with a first issue, you'll usually arrive at the beginning of a new story, or at least you'll get a proper explanation of backstory.
5. Comics prices vary, but they're usually around $2-$3 per issue, sometimes more. There's a breakdown here and the text also explains some history of the pricing practices.
6. They're not conventionally famous. The animated Smurfs TV series was quite popular back in the 1980s and the recent movies have of course raised public awareness. The Tintin movie did very poorly in North America (but well overseas) and I think this points to a general difference in popularity. I grew up with and loved Asterix (I'm Canadian, by the way, not American, if that makes a difference to the answers), but again, he's not very popular in North America in general. I had never heard of Spirou. When North Americans are in the mood for non-North American comics, Japanese manga is the overwhelming first choice. European creators such as Alan Moore and Alan Davis are quite well known, but their earlier, European, work is largely unknown.

If you have any other questions, feel free to drop me a line on my talk page (or here, of course). Matt Deres (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I guess I only answered half of #5. There are people of all walks of life who read comic books. However, superhero comics are still pretty firmly a "males age 18-49" thing. The price point frankly makes it tricky for kids to get interested in them unless they know someone with a collection. The distribution is also very different than it used to be; growing up in the 1980s, every drug store and grocery store had a spinner rack (Really?! No article? Okay, a spinner rack) or two with all the latest issues. Nowadays, such stores only have a handful of comics and they're crammed in with the juvenile magazines. Instead, comic books are mostly sold via specialty shops, as described in our direct market article. A great source of material and so forth, but they're much rarer than grocery stores and so require a special trip to even get to. Marvel and DC have tried many times (often ham-handedly)to raise the level of female readership, but with only limited success. The audience for a comic book movie such as the recent Thor was a pretty even split between males and females; girls are a much rarer occurrence in the comics shop, though it's much better than it used to be. People over 50 tend not to be big comic readers; they were raised at a time when comics were seen as juvenile nonsense and often gave up reading in their childhood. Matt Deres (talk) 22:06, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Not just spinner racks but a few comics used to have digest books and be sold at the checkout. Archie, what else? Rmhermen (talk) 17:59, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Here's a link to Spirou, a disambiguation page for various articles about the character. Oh and I am obviously some sort of weird 57 year old comic book reader. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 00:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Most of the famous American comic book characters are still published regularly (though their market penetration is much weaker than in the past), and the most famous ones, such as Batman and Superman, appear in more than one title. Everyone knows about the Smurfs, but most people think of them only as an animated cartoon. The majority of people have heard of Tintin and Asterix. (Incidentally, I see that my spellchecker does not recognize Tintin or Asterix, although it does recognize Smurfs.) Except for a few hardcore comics fans, nobody has heard of any other European comics, including Spirou. John M Baker (talk) 12:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about the frequency of publication generally being monthly or bi-monthly. I think it's more like fortnightly. For example, this site gives 23 Oct for Savage Wolverine #10, then you can page forward for the next few issues, which are 13 Nov, 27 Nov and 18 Dec. There are similar schedules for other comics elsewhere on the site. --Viennese Waltz 12:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

In the golden and silver ages of comics, no comic was published more frequently than monthly, except for The Spirit, which was a weekly newspaper supplement, and Captain Marvel Adventures, which I believe was tri-weekly at the height of its popularity. There have been some experimental, usually short-term, publications since then on a more frequent schedule, such as the weekly 52. According to our article, Savage Wolverine is a monthly. John M Baker (talk) 00:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Movie question

Isn't there a movie which tells the story of serial killer Tsutomu Miyazaki. I have read so, and this is the wallpaper but I do not understand Japanese to read the wallpaper. What's the name of the movie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.178.144.232 (talk) 17:33, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

baseball player who had a buzzcut about a year ago

Hi, I'm looking for a particular Baseball player, which about a year ago had a buzzcut(about 6mm). Before the cut he had a medium hairstyle. one of the reporter has said he has a girly hair. his hair is brown, he is white, and some black eyes. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.127.63.163 (talk) 19:12, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Any clue which team? (And where is Jayron when we need him?) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:49, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

My google-fu has given me this, which indicates it MAY be Wil Myers of the Tampa Bay Rays, but given the vagueness of the question, it's just too hard to pin down. --Jayron32 05:18, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Googling "baseball player" and "girly hair" gets me this terrible story. It won't help much, but it's more relevant than the other nine top results (mostly about football). InedibleHulk (talk) 04:03, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Tim Lincecum went from shoulder length hair to close cropped at some point in the last year or so. I don't remember if it ever went to a full buzz cut or if it fits the time frame that the OP. MarnetteD | Talk 05:34, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

November 24

The Simpsons Adult Genre

matter for talk page or ANI
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
There were edits notified by AmericanDad86 and Grapesoda22, who has kept re-adding the Adult Animation genre on it. The shows ratings are mainly TV-PG, so there is no way that the show could only be watched by adults. I am currently asking should the genre that I have said should be removed, as when I looked at the reference that the first user putted, it describes a book that was written in 1994, but not that kind of attempt to be released by the creator of the show nor the airing network, Fox, as the authors of the book are Frank Hoffmann, and Beulah B. Ramirez, in which I'm stating that the reference is not reliable to be accepted as the source is from the searching website, Google, in which was originally searched by the first user I mentioned. Blurred Lines 03:12, 24 November 2013 (UTC) Good grief! Way to blow a petty issue out of proportion and distort the entire story, BlurredLines. To correct the above, BlurredLines was edit warring against two other editors at The Simpsons article. These editors are User:WikiAnthony and User:Grapesoda22 (as shown here [1], here [2], here [3] and here [4]). Ironically, BlurredLines would then follow this up with a barrage of warnings for disruptive edits at these other editors (as shown here [5], here[6], here [7], here [8]). Mind you, all this is in despite of the fact that it is BlurredLines who is the one edit warring against everybody (as shown here at The Simpsons article history [9]). After being witness to all BlurredLines' petty edit warring, I then stepped in as liaison with a source to resolve the matter As shown by this source[10], The Simpsons is not only an adult cartoon, but it's also a show that led the entire wave of adult cartoons. And there are more sources where that came from to stating the same thing. When I incorporated my source and cautioned BlurredLines about his edit warring, he accused me of showing bad faith (as shown here at my talk page [11]). Clearly, this editor has issues with edit warring and article ownership. AmericanDad86 (talk) 04:54, 24 November 2013 (UTC) The Ref Desk isn't the appropriate place to address this. I suggest discussion on the article talk page or, in the event that fails to curb the edit war, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 05:11, 24 November 2013 (UTC) Just because its reality "tame" by today's standards doesn't mean its not catered to adults. It still airs on an adult network with other adult shows (your not gonna tell me Family Guy and American Dad aren't adult animation). Grapesoda22 (talk) 05:31, 24 November 2013 (UTC) The classic WB cartoons were catered to adults as well. And Rocky and Bullwinkle certainly contained a lot of jokes that would be over the heads of young'uns. "Adult" is a euphemism for "X-rated". These are not X-rated, and in fact they air in the early evening. Rather than debating what genre it belongs in (which is strictly a matter of opinion), how about simply posting the show's TV-rating? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:48, 24 November 2013 (UTC) Per above, The Ref Desk isn't the appropriate place to address this. μηδείς (talk) 19:44, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Injuries to officials in American football

Is there any league at any level of American football that publishes injury statistics for officials? I'm trying to find anything whatsoever on this subject, but all I've found is player-injury statistics. Health issues in American football, for example, says nothing about anyone other than the players. My goal is to find something discussing injuries per position; I'm guessing that umpires have the highest rates of injury because they're right in the middle, but I don't have any solid backing for this guess. Nyttend (talk) 04:04, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I did find this blog, but it's nothing official. Still, a start. Also found this news article. --Jayron32 05:15, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Dr Who - how much material in total?

How many hours of Dr Who material is there, counted in hours from 1963-2013 ? Electron9 (talk) 15:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Firstly you have to define what to include. Do you include the missing episodes, the Peter Cushing films, the radio only stories, the official appearances of the characters outside of the show (eg Q6) and the unofficial appearances of the characters (eg the Dalek porn movie) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrogWoolley (talk • contribs) 17:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

According to this article; "If you were to watch all the televised episodes of Doctor Who, it would take you more or less 22,712 minutes. That’s 15 days and 18 hours of continuous Doctor Who from Hartnell all the way to Smith. Up till now, 97 episodes are missing which amounts to another 39 hours." Alansplodge (talk) 19:46, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

@TrogWoolley, I would include all available shows. Not Peter Cushing films (good?), radio only, outside show stuff, or porn. Seems 22 712 minutes is the answer though. Electron9 (talk) 21:08, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Aljeezera

I have read your section on Aljeezra America. Very impressed. Question: Do they own the 100.3 Radio Station WNIC in Detroit? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.99.137.132 (talk) 15:42, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

According to our article, WNIC is owned by Clear Channel. Tevildo (talk) 15:54, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Tootsie

Alright, I just saw the movie featuring Dustin Hoffman for the first time. My question concerns the last scene of the movie, when love interest Julie Nichols is about to walk out the front doors of a building. In the shot leading up to her walking out the door, the camera follows an African-American male carrying flowers. Is this man Eddie Murphy? I doubt it, and I've looked everywhere, but he looked like Eddie Murphy for those two seconds. I didn't get a good look, and thanks. The Reader who Writes (talk) 18:47, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I found a clip of it on YouTube, but the resolution is not good. That said, I do not think it is him. There is no mention of the character in the cast list at IMDB. Looking at the timeline Murphy was making 48 Hrs. that same year and it came out one week before Tootsie, so if it was Murphy, it would have been credited. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:30, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

The name of Bollywood movie that had the most of number songs

What was the name of the Bollywood movie that had most number of songs? I forgot about it and I need to see it. Please and thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.152.251 (talk) 18:56, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Inder Sabha, 1932. Tevildo (talk) 19:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Nice, but the article mentions "songs from the play influenced the geet tradition in Urdu". What is the "geet tradition"? Do we have an article on it? Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:56, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Indeed we do - Geet (song). (The picture in the article seems a little inappropriate, I must admit). Tevildo (talk) 20:18, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I linked "geet tradition" to it. Yes, that is a bad picture. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 21:18, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

November 25

I need help remembering out what this episode Little House on the Prairie

I need help remembering out what this quote Little House on the Prairie. A little boy and girl are arguing and the girl calls the boy angrily "You dummy". In another episode on Little House on the Prairie a teen couple try to get married and they went to the town's hotel but the girl's parents found them What 2 separate episodes were these? Venustar84 (talk) 00:13, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

The second one sounds like episode 79: "Here Come the Brides". The IMDb synopsis matches the description. You can also check List of Little House on the Prairie episodes. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

If Singin' in the Rain featured the invention of 3-D films instead of talkies, which film would be "the Jazz Singer of 3-D films"?

In Singin'in the Rain, it is shown that the release of the film The Jazz Singer gave birth to sound films. But if Singin'in the Rain focused on 3-D films, what film would it show to give birth to 3-D films? Mattdillon87 (talk) 06:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Let me see if I understand your question. You're saying that The Jazz Singer has been seen as the first major example of talkies. And now you're wondering what the first major example of 3D films is. Right? If that is correct, I then direct you to our article on 3D film which states: "What aficionados consider the "golden era" of 3D began in late 1952 with the release of the first color stereoscopic feature, Bwana Devil, produced, written and directed by Arch Oboler." Dismas|^(talk) 07:43, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

But note that unlike sound, which was pretty much all or nothing, 3D started out only in a few scenes, so there wasn't this single moment when the future of cinema was changed forever. Also, many non-3D movies are still made today, and are likely to be made for quite a while, as 3D would just be annoying in some movies, like a romantic film. A somewhat closer parallel for 3D might be the introduction of color films, since black-and-white movies continued to be made for years after, and it suits some genres better than color, such as film noir. Although nearly every film is color now, unlike my prediction for 3D, but then color doesn't give as many people a headache or cause nausea. StuRat (talk) 08:29, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

It may have got quite quickly to "pretty much all or nothing", but it didn't start out that way. The Jazz Singer is widely assumed to have had sound from start to finish, but that was very far from the truth. From our article: In total, the movie contains barely two minutes worth of synchronized talking, much or all of it improvised. The rest of the dialogue is presented through the caption cards, or intertitles, standard in silent movies of the era. BTW, TJS was far from the first film with sound, but seems to have been the first with audible dialogue, as distinct from crowd or traffic noise. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 09:00, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

These are the films that the world usually cites as the firsts of film:

1. First movie: Workers Leaving the Lumiere Factory (France, 1895)

2. First narrative film: L'Arroseur Arrose (France, 1895)

3. First feature film: The Birth of a Nation (USA, 1915)

4. First talkie: The Jazz Singer (USA, 1927)

5. First film in color: Becky Sharp (USA, 1935)

6. First 3-D film: Bwana Devil (USA, 1952)

Rebel Yeh (talk) 22:17, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

The Guiness Book of Movie Facts and Feats says "The first presentation of 3D films before a paying audience took place at the Astor Theatre, New York on 10 June 1915. The program consisted of three one-reelers, the first of rural scenes in the USA, the second a selection of scenes from Famous Players' Jim, the Penman (US 15) and the third a travelogue of Niagra Falls." It also lists the first 3D film is colour as Rêve d'Opium (Fr 21) and the first 3D feature film as the five reel melodrama Power Of Love (US 22). All a tad before Bwana Devil.

The first feature film, according with the Cinématheque Française definition of a feature being a commercially made film over one hour duration, was Charles Tait's The Story Of The Kelly Gang. D.W. Griffith made several longish films before Birth of a Nation, examples include the 6 reel Home Sweet Home and the 5 reel Judith Of Bethulia.

The first commercially produced film in natural colour was G.A. Smith's A Visit To The Seaside (GB 1908) an 8 minute short. The first full length feature film in colour was the five reel melodrama The World, The Flesh And The Devil (GB 1914). --TrogWoolley (talk) 23:58, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

According to our Workers Leaving the Lumiere Factory article, "Louis Le Prince's 1888 Roundhay Garden Scene pre-dated it by seven years". Rmhermen (talk) 04:21, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Burnout 3: Takedown.

What does takedown mean? Applies to the whole world. 78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:06, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Like Takedown (grappling), but with cars. Tevildo (talk) 20:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

So, in other words, it means defeating your opponent. You will sometimes hear somebody on trash TV like The Jerry Springer Show say "I will take you down !" (accompanied by head waving, of course). StuRat (talk) 06:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

You're obviously guessing, StuRat. I refuse to believe you would ever watch that show.  :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 07:13, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I long for the days of the channel selection dial, which could fly right by unwanted channels before they assaulted me. Using a remote, there's almost a full second before I can switch to the next channel, which is entirely too long, when watching Jerry Springer. StuRat (talk) 07:42, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not Jerry himself that burns the brain, it's the trailer trash he insists on inviting to participate in his show. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:20, 27 November 2013 (UTC)]]

November 27

Guns and the film industry

Anyone who has scrolled through Netflix or iTunes will notice that in virtually every genre category, a gun of some kind appears on a film poster, usually held by a man or a woman. I find this incredibly strange. Can anyone explain this? Since most films have nothing to do with guns, why does a gun appear so regularly in ads for films? Is the gun industry in bed with Hollywood? What is the psychological subtext behind the appearance of guns in so many film posters? Are we being told that guns are the only way to solve our problems? Viriditas (talk) 09:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I find your premise surprising. Can you point us to some examples of posters that show guns where they're not used in the movie? Rojomoke (talk) 11:41, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

No such premise was stated or implied in any way. "Most films have nothing to do with guns" means, in most films, a gun is not a part of the plot or important to the story. Viriditas (talk) 00:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. As for movies that do involve guns, presumably the audience goes to such movies in part to watch the gunplay, so it makes sense to include that on the poster. Also a gun happens to fit nicely on a poster, versus something intangible, like treason. StuRat (talk) 12:01, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't think "gunplay" has anything to do with it. There is a purposeful intention of placing a gun in a movie poster. Apparently, nobody here knows anything about it. Some books on the subject claim it is has something to do with sex. Viriditas (talk) 00:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Only held by a man or woman? Don't forget Quick Draw McGraw, in which a gun was held by a horse. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:15, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

It seems such a premise was implied...unless you meant to imply that Netflix focuses more on movies that involve guns? What is your point? What is your question? I would imagine that most movies that have nothing to do with guns won't use them in their posters. I would be surprised if movies that do involve guns didn't. "Virtually every genre" might include a movie that involves guns...so it would follow that the poster might show one. If you're trying to get to a specific point, get to it instead of being vague about it. --Onorem (talk) 01:44, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Your epistemic naïveté is charming, much like watching a cute baby dribble or a puppy chase its tail, but this is the reference desk, and if you don't know what I'm talking about then why pray tell are you replying? This subject is covered extensively in the literature and was in the news daily this year alone. Viriditas (talk) 09:39, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

You say "in virtually every genre category, a gun of some kind appears on a film poster". Can you give us an example of a film poster where a gun seems out of place? Like for example The Sound of Music with a Luger being held by Julie Andrews? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:35, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

blue cartoon character

Who is this blue cartoon character? and what bird is that behind him? and if you know him, what episode of what cartoon is that? Is it about those birds? http://i39.tinypic.com/25ppvkz.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.209.159.215 (talk) 21:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't know the blue cartoon character, but the bird looks like a cassowary. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:22, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

It looks like a crocodile or alligator, but I'm not getting any relevant results by searching for "blue alligator/crocodile". -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:46, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I have a vague recollection of seeing that character, or one somewhat like it, in some educational software. You know, getting kids to understand the realities of Australian wildlife by having a blue crocodile talk to them about it. HiLo48 (talk) 04:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

I've seen him too, and it's bugging me now. I think it was on TVOntario. That cassowary is messing up Search by Image. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:36, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Just in case this helps the search: The original 19th century illustration of the cassowary was published in the 1870s in Cassell's Book of Birds (Thomas Rymer Jones's translation of Alfred Brehm's text). You can view it by clicking this link. ---Sluzzelin talk 12:58, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone know anything about "Colette" featured on two Sister Bliss records?

I'm trying to find out anything about the Colette who was featured on two Sister Bliss singles back in 1995 - "Cantgetaman, Cantgetajob, (Life's A Bitch)" and "Oh! What A World"

Was she British or American (or something else?) What was her surname? Any other details? Can't find much onlune217.44.231.217 (talk) 21:23, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Your looking in the worng plece. :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:39, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

This is she. She appears on quite a few of Rollo Armstrong's recordings in various guises, and the videos - but, I can't find out any more about her. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:57, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

White Christmas Movie

Your assistance will be greatly appreciated - thank you so much in advance.

I am looking for a piano arrangement of the sheet music for the song Count Your Blessings Instead Sheep that was sung by Bob and Betty in the movie White Christmas. Bob and Betty were played by Bing Crosby and Rosemary Clooney. I have found sheet music for Bing but not the version that was arranged for him singing with Rosemary Clooney. I need this sheet music and wish to purchase but cannot find it on line. Can you please help me to find a resource or give me an idea for purchase of this sheet music? I will be searching our area for music shops but today they are few and far between. Again, thanks so much for your help. Happy Thanksgiving and an early recognition of Merry Christmas. This is an exciting time of year albeit a stressful one for many. Sincerely, Cindy, Conover, NC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.211.72.180 (talk) 21:27, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

November 28

Officiating in sports

What's up with the officiating in today's sports as opposed to what it has been like in the past and what will it be like, in the future? I for one I'm way beyond fed up with it and would to see reform to it in some way or other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mybodymyself (talk • contribs) 18:05, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Unless you want the above to be regarded as a rant and removed from view, you're going to have to be MUCH more specific about your actual query. Also, we cannot tell what anything will be like in the future. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:35, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Title of a Made for TV movie

I saw this when I was a kid, back in the 1970s. A man is a customer in a department store when he is knocked unconscious in the restroom. He awakens after the store is closed. Unfortunately, the store's security system consists of attack dogs (maybe Doberman Pinschers) set loose in the store until the next morning. The man spends the rest of the movie trying to survive. I don't remember how it ended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.72.224.251 (talk) 20:24, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like Trapped with James Brolin. ---Sluzzelin talk 20:57, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like it. Thank you!

Do department stores still use vicious attack dogs after hours?