User talk:Ipigott

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DYK for Anastasia Gosteva

Thanks for your contribution to the Wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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Women writers

Hi. A template will all countries would be pretty big, see for example Template:World cinema; and that is still missing many countries. But if you think it's preferable to continent templates, go ahead. I don't really have any preference either way. Oh, and by the way, let me compliment you on the great work you've been doing with all those lists.--Cattus ^talk 11:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

You could always use a shrinkable section one like the Template:The Leading Hotels of the World.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I like creating templates and adding more links to them, so if you want I can create it and update it. The one Dr. Blofeld linked has some nice colapsible sections by continent, seems less crowded than the Lists of writers by nationality one.--Cattus ^talk 16:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

That would be a great help. Just choose the one you think is most suitable. As you have probably seen, I've covered most of the European countries and am now working on Latin America.--Ipigott (talk) 16:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

You-re doing a great job e.g.

Can you check I have made the correct addition/ translation?.... (I don't speak German) Victuallers (talk) 21:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Think I've sorted this one out. You might also like Zíbia Gasparetto.--Ipigott (talk) 14:45, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Marie Heiberg

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Danish-language quickie

Hello! I hope that all's well. (Me, I'm mightily preoccupied by WP-irrelevant matters.)

If you google (or duckduckgo, or whatever) "Tomas van Houtryve" in/for Danish, do you see any convincing evidence that he is Danish or part Danish?

I ask you because you are you; for why I ask at all, please see Talk:Tomas van Houtryve. Thank you! -- Hoary (talk) 01:39, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, Hoary. Glad to see you're stepping up your activity on Wikipedia again. As for Tomas, he's Belgian and should indeed have a capital V. The Danish newspaper Information classifies him as Belgian as you can see here and they should know. The winner of the competition was Mads Nissen, a Dane, which might have caused the confusion. Enjoy International Women's Day!--Ipigott (talk) 07:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the help! ¶ In his own "about" page our man repeatedly refers to himself as "Tomas", once as "TOMAS VAN HOUTRYVE" and once as "Tomas van Houtryve". The page is in English and if there's a Dutch, French, Danish or other alternative then I don't see the link to it. If he calls himself "Tomas van Houtryve" then I think that we should call him that too; although yes, according to Belgian custom (as I understand it) he'd instead be "Tomas Van Houtryve". ¶ Well, I'm trying not to step up the activity: really, I have a horrible amount of WP-unrelated work to be done in a hurry. -- Hoary (talk) 13:20, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Anne Beffort

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Nuda

I see that one of your languages is German and I wondered if you would have time (and inclination) to look at the article Nuda. About five years ago it was translated from the German language Wikipedia and the translation is so bad that some of the article is virtually incomprehensible. I realise that much of the content is technical stuff but I could try to sort that out if the general sense of the article was more apparent. Failing your translation help, I will probably remove most of the content and start again. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:11, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Cwmhiraeth:. I've looked at the article and at the original German and certainly agree that the translation is a mess. Unfortunately, though, I am not at all familiar with the terminology used in this field. If I were to undertake a translation of the German, I would first spend a day or two researching similar articles in English. This might indeed provide an even sounder basis for improving the English article anyway. For example, articles such as this and this seem helpful as well as many of the sources used for the Wikipedia article Ctenophora. You can also access the original text of the report used as a basis for the German Wikipedia article which is in fact in English. You will find it here. I think this would be the best way to improve the article. If, nevertheless, you still have difficulty with individual passages, let me know and I'll try to help out with better translations. Hope I'm not being too dismissive.--Ipigott (talk) 11:01, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I will proceed along the lines you suggest. The article is a translation of the 2010 German language article, and that has changed over time so our version, which I guess nobody much wants to tackle, is not even up to date. Thanks anyway. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:12, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Regīna Ezera

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You are amazing

I don't know how to give any of those award things, but you deserve many. The number of articles you have written for Women's month is staggering. Someday women's 1/2 the sky will be told in our history, but until it is, people like you make a real difference in chipping away at the chasm. Thank you so much! SusunW (talk) 15:24, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: Thanks very much for your kind words, Susan. I must say, for a relatively new editor, you haven't been doing so badly yourself with at least a dozen well researched new articles on notable women over the last few weeks -- not to mention all your efforts on DYK. Just let me know if ever I can help you out with translations or whatever.--Ipigott (talk) 15:53, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I am trying to learn this crazy system. March is easy for me as I have done a blog on women for the entire month for years. I just incorporate them into articles. Would that I spoke more languages, I struggle to learn Spanish, on a daily basis. Thank you for your kind words. (FYI, it really is 2 "u"s and no "a". I am a perpetual misspelling.) SusunW (talk) 16:07, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: Sorry for the misspelling. I managed to get it right in the ping but then I was too hasty in writing my message. I am indeed fluent in Spanish and would be glad to help out if you have difficulty with translating from es Wikipedia or from bios in Spanish. If you are interested in native Americans, you must come across quite a lot of Spanish texts in your research. Similarly, if you have any interesting names of women in the cultural sphere from Latin America, let me have them and we can perhaps work together on a few new articles before the end of the month.--Ipigott (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I am always misspelled, am used to it ;) I live in Mexico, thus, I am truly handicapped. Spanish lessons over 50 are difficult. I just got a book on Lagarde from one of my students, which I am both going to use to improve my Spanish and the article on her. But I also have quite a few redlinks that I would like to make go away in the piece I did on Mexican feminism. SusunW (talk) 16:27, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

• @SusunW: Made a start on Elena Torres and María Arias Bernal. Maybe you could double check their histories and make any pertinent additions.--Ipigott (talk) 21:21, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

• @Ipigott: Lovely! I am trying to finish up on Anita Brenner and then will go to those. Can you answer a perplexing question for me? ‘Ofa Likiliki keeps getting an orphan tag, no matter how many articles I link to her. Why? There are a ton (well, that might be a wee exaggeration) of articles I have linked to it. Any ideas? SusunW (talk) 21:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: I've looked at the "What links here" (see under "tools" in the LH margin) in her article and can't see any valid links. Try working her name into other articles on Tonga or international women's rights. If you can't add her name to the text of other articles, you can always add it under "See also". I see you've made some useful additions to Anita Brenner. Good to see you are not just interested in creating new articles. Keep up the good work.--Ipigott (talk) 21:55, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Yes, my first big expansion was that Mexican feminism. Then Brenner. Yesterday I did 3 expansions on artists that were stubs and added from a Workshop this month. Weird that it wants her to be on another page. But I shall add her to the Tongan Women's Rights page, or whatever it is called. Thanks again for your help! SusunW (talk) 22:43, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Am working on Elena Torres. Found a lovely PDF, but it is in Japanese. You don't happen to speak Japanese do you? LOL It has some fabulous info, but it is slow going as I am triple checking the translations and I have Spanish homework and am cooking dinner for 8. May be Friday before I get through it all, but I am working on it. SusunW (talk) 22:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: I do speak a bit of Japanese but can't read kanji and in any case would prefer to spend my time on languages I really can translate. You (and/or MissV and Rosie) might also be interested in expanding Julia Nava de Ruisánchez. She seems to be quite an important figure.--Ipigott (talk) 11:36, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott: finished Elena Torres and did a DYK nomination. So glad we rescued her from the lost to history group. What an important part of Mexico's educational system history! Will add Ruisánchez to my list of to-dos. SusunW (talk) 00:06, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Elise Otté

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DYK for Stella Sierra

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DYK for Doris Mühringer

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DYK for Þórdís Gísladóttir

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Rita Cetina Gutiérrez

Just finished a piece on Rita Cetina Gutiérrez The PDFs are beyond my Spanish ability and the one from Peniche Rivero is protected in some way so I cannot copy the information into a translator. If you could peruse to see if there is pertinent data, would be wonderful. SusunW (talk) 17:06, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: Rather busy at the moment. I'll look at it later or tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 17:10, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

No rush. SusunW (talk) 17:11, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: I've added a few details from the Peniche Rivero article. I was interested to read in it: "En Yucatán, en 1922, maestras que habían sido alumnas de la maestra Rita, como Rosa Torre..." (In Yucatán, in 1922, school mistreeses who had been studennts of Rita, such as Rosa Torre..." That might cast some light on the confusion.--Ipigott (talk) 13:44, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott: I read so many sources yesterday my head was spinning. I think modern historians/journalists have confused the two ladies. Similar names, similar ages, similar occupations. Multiple sources say they both studied with Rita, but I am not sure. I am really hoping a visit to the Mérida archives will clear it up. ;) SusunW (talk) 13:56, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

oooh, and this guy Félix Ramos y Duarte, who Rita studied with ... I THINK he wrote the first dictionary in Mexico??? No wiki, and he will have to wait until after Women's Month, but I am intrigued. SusunW (talk) 14:00, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: - Quite right. Over 500 pages of Mexican Spanish. You can see the whole thing here. Would be great if you could get to the Mérida archives.--Ipigott (talk) 14:10, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

I LOVE learning things and retrieving folks from the historic lost files. Will try to get to the archives this week, but it depends on my friend's work schedule and my classes. SusunW (talk) 15:22, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for Patrolling

Thanks for taking time to patrol my articles

• St. Paul’s Church, Bangalore
• St. John's Church, Bangalore

I noticed that the 'new unreviewed article' tag has not been removed for these articles. Are you able to remove that? Regards "Aus_Indian (talk) 02:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)"

@WestCoastMusketeer: Sorry I did not spot the tags earlier - I was more interested in the content of the articles. You have done a good job on both of them, complete with referencing. I've made a few copy edits to bring the presentation in line with Wikipedia usage. If you need further assistance with anything, just let me know. Keep up the good work.--Ipigott (talk) 11:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Amelia Denis de Icaza

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Thanks for the inspiration

Creating some artist lists now, myself! List of Argentine women artists. Missvain (talk) 22:35, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@Missvain: Looks good. I have women artists lined up for Women's History Month 2016. I'm now concentrating on writers but I see that there have been a considerable number of new biographies on artists this year too. I've found compiling the lists also helps to identify many of individuals who are not currently categorized as women writers or whatever from a given country while revealing important names from wikis in other languages. One of the problems with artists is that many of the articles are written by people who simply want to publicize themselves, even when they are not sufficiently notable for inclusion. Keep up the good work. It all helps to provide a little more balance although there's still a long, long way to go.--Ipigott (talk) 08:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Margarita Sharapova

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DYK for Elena Torres

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Juan de Talavera

Thank you for your improvements, I have done now some small precisions in the article. Regards, --Alicia M. Canto (talk) 22:33, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

G. Sofía Villa de Buentello

I've been playing with this one for about a week. G. Sofía Villa de Buentello I think her importance is undeniable, but I can find nada in the realm of biographical information. It is like she appeared at about age 30 and disappeared after the 1925 conference. I cannot tell if this [1] is her husband or her son, but why is it styled Buentello y Villa? Not a very Mexican way to style the name, but I tend to think it is the son and I gained nothing from it. The document I found on Elena Arizmendi Mejia is fascinating. I don't know if you or Rosiestep might have access to documents I do not to help with the biographical info. Also don't know if one can do a DYK on a subject without basic biographical data. Any input would be helpful and thank you! SusunW (talk) 03:24, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

SusunW Yes, DYK articles without basic biographical data are acceptable. The article might say something like "... little is known about Jane Doe's early years..." I'll do some research on GSVB over the weekend. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:33, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Rosiestep thanks! I toyed with that, but thought I would have to be truthful and say nothing is known of her life except for the 10 year period she was active in feminist causes. :'( makes me sad that she is so lost to history. I'll keep looking, but I just don't think I will find much more. I have a week before the cut off for DYK. SusunW (talk) 03:36, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

SusunW Reflecting Rosie's suggestion almost verbatim is the section titled "A biographical sketch" in this article on Sofía Villa de Buentello (on p.55). See also the extensive notes and sources on p.67 et seq. I've included a link to the chapter under "Further reading" in your article. I must say you've already included lots of pertinent details in the article.--Ipigott (talk) 07:26, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

P.S.: Just saw you had drawn on this source in your article but there are still some interesting biographical details which might be worth including.--Ipigott (talk) 09:23, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Ipigott The interesting thing I realized about 1/2 way through writing the article is that the source for the Mitchell/Schell piece is the Carmen Ramos Escondan article I had also found. Of course I found the Spanish one first and struggled my way through it. When I found the M/S I kept thinking, I just read that. SusunW (talk) 13:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Julia Nava de Ruisánchez

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The Voice of My City

Hi, can you proof the plot. I've done the first paragraph but got stuck on the tango part. Also for reception

Nicolás Mancera opinó:”(Un argumento) flojo, no por lo simple sino por ciertas falsedades…en el planteo del drama.”

Por su parte Manrupe y Portela escriben: ”Ni más ni menos ingenua que títulos como Rapsodia en azul (La vida de George Gershwin –Raphsody in blue, Irwing Rapper- Estados Unidos, 1946. Pero con buena música para disfrutar, incluyendo un gran concierto final. El leit motiv se utilizó por años como cortina del programa de Canal 9, Feliz Domingo – Domingos Estudiantiles.”

♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Elena Arizmendi Mejia

Elena Arizmendi Mejia is sort of the "companion piece" to G. Sofía Villa de Buentello. I think I probably need to break out the info on the White Cross into a separate article? But will do that next month after Women's month is over. I did not put links to her on José Vasconcelos page, but as she was so to speak his "muse" for two of his works, perhaps she should be? I am conflicted about it. @Rosiestep: your weighing in would also be appreciated. As always, would appreciate your eyes on the article when and if you have time. Am going to do a DYK on her, as her importance to the White Cross is unmistakable. SusunW (talk) 22:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: I did a little of this and that on the EAM article. If she was a muse, it would be appropriate to add wls. Yes, White Cross should have its own article. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:54, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

@Rosiestep: I saw and thanks. I can take the Iberian League off my to do list too, thanks for that. I am not exactly sure if one would call her a "muse" or an "anti-muse", but according to Cano, EAM was vilified in the two books Ulises Criollo and La Tormenta as a seductress, calling her the "Elastic Venus" and the "best booty of the Revolution". EAM wrote one book and thus I felt I had to include it. He wrote many and was the driver of the whole artist's movement, muralists, etc. but I have no idea how important those two books were in his body of work. I feel on the one hand, if the fact that they were lovers is on her page it should be on his, but on the other hand, it feels sort of like even in death gossip is following them. As I said, I am conflicted. SusunW (talk) 00:39, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: Hmmm, maybe something a bit more innocuous, such as that JV "associated" with EAM, which avoids the conclusion that they were intimate. Ian may have further thoughts on wording. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:48, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: I was on the road all day yesterday so have just seen your message now. I see there is already an article on La Cruz Blanca. I'm sure that after all your careful research you can add quite a bit to it. Your recent work has been very impressive. You've opened my eyes to an important chapter in Mexican history.--Ipigott (talk) 08:56, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Ipigott Thank you Ian. I love Yucatán. It is an amazing place. The history is different from much of the rest of Mexico because of henequin, the wealth it brought and the trade relationships they established with Europe and the US. They wanted to become a European country or a US state rather than a Mexican one. SusunW (talk) 12:46, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

And I definitely need to work on the page you found. Interesting that that lady claimed to start the White Cross, 2 years after is was already operating in 25 states of Mexico. Everything I have found says EAM was the founder. SusunW (talk) 13:15, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I've substantially reworked the La Cruz Blanca page. I think the sources of Leonor Villegas de Magnón being founder all stem from her own book. While it does occur to me that Cano could be wrong on EAM, I found a reference in a reprint of Vasconcelos' Ulises Criollo stating that she was the founder. I also found a link to some documents, but I don't have access to the paid site Fold3 [FBI files on White Cross] that might add further clarification. And somewhere, when I was working on EAM I found 1911 pictures of her working in the White Cross. Just need to try to find them. SusunW (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: It's coming on very well. Maybe it would be worthwhile structuring it with headings, etc., as a fully fledged article. See also Jovita Idár. The photo you are looking for can be found here. Lots of interesting history at this site too -- but it's in Spanish.--Ipigott (talk) 19:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Have added headings and a link to María Arias Bernal from whence another piece of documentation shows EAM was founder. Thank you for that! And I guess you noticed I found the 1911 picture. SusunW (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Bangladesh

Makbula Manzoor vs Mokbula Manzoor. Seems to be the same, put one says 1938, the other 1945. Can you solve?♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:02, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Thought you were the expert on the area with all your fantastic work on the stars. As you drafted the first article you are probably the best one to sort it out.--Ipigott (talk) 19:12, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Strange comment to make, not sure what my work on old Hollywood has to do with Bangladeshi female writers.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:37, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Just that I have been uncannily impressed by the extensive research you have been able to master in unearthing the biographies of ladies from the Indian subcontinent. As you discovered the problem with these two versions of the same biography, I would have thought it would not be too difficult for you to handle the merging. And I really don't understand why you think it should be my problem. I'm actually rather busy this evening with a final go at the biographies of Danish women writers. No offence intended. Just rather busy.--Ipigott (talk) 19:48, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

" I really don't understand why you think it should be my problem." Considering that you're the one who has created what is surely near 100 lists of women writers by country and prompted me last time I'd created a double I thought you were our expert on this. Just say you're busy in that case.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:14, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Certainly no expert, I'm afraid. Just putting in my pennyworth of effort in support of women writers this year, as I have with women in photography, architecture and dance in previous years. But I'm through now with my mini-bios on recent Danish women writers and will take a closer look at your problem tomorrow before reopening the curtain on Cortina, however April-foolish that might seem. From the latest weather forecasts, we still seem to be in season.--Ipigott (talk) 20:22, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Categories

So how does one create new ones? I noticed that you reviewed, thank you, Michelle Suárez, and added a tag for Uruguayan women writers, but when I searched I found no such thing. In the last few days I have needed several categories that aren't there, i.e. breast cancer activist, LGBT rights activists from Barbados, Commonwealth awards are the ones that come to the top of my head. If I just add them, they are red, i.e. not created. So how does one create them? SusunW (talk) 07:07, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: You simply write Category:whatever in the search box and add the relevant categories in the text area (just as you would add categories to an article). For example, for Category:Breast cancer activists you could add Category:Activists by issue, Category:Cancer and Category:Health activists. (You have to put them each in double square brackets of course.]] If you don't know which supporting categories to include, just look up the main category (here Category:Activists) and you find a list of other categories which seem applicable. Have a go and let me know if you have any problems.--Ipigott (talk) 07:17, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott: I'll look at it tomorrow. Very late here, but I cannot figure it out. See Donnya Piggott two categories I want to add. SusunW (talk) 07:32, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Completely frustrated by it. Tried last night. Read a whole bunch of FAQs this morning. None are remotely clear about what you are supposed to do to add a category. Step 1, step 2, step 3. It is all totally vague in the same manner that I find most how to do Wiki pages. Who writes these pages? Clarity and simplicity would be so welcome. No where on this page does it actually tell one how to create a category even though it is labeled as such: Wikipedia:Categorization of people#Creating a new category, I finally got to this page Wikipedia:Categorization#Creating category pages which says to click on the redlink I have created and add the parent category name. So, I click on the Category LGBT rights activists from Barbados and it takes me to an edit page. I go back to Donnya's Page and click on LGBT rights activists and it shows me a page that lists LGBT rights activists by nationality, so I type Category: LGBT rights activists by nationality‎ and it is done. It only took me 1 hour last night and 1 hour and 46 minutes this morning. *sigh* What a waste of time! No wonder editors give up. Why do none of the instructions simply say create a red link category, click on the red link, add the parent category and save? SusunW (talk) 14:02, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: I thought my instructions were simple and clear. Just try writing the category you want to create in the search box, click on it and you will come to a page which says the category does not exist but you can create it. Try it out. There were lots of things in Wikipedia I had difficulty with when I started but I cannot remember having particular difficulty with categories. Maybe you're just afraid to take the plunge--Ipigott (talk) 14:06, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott: Thanks for the pep talk. It helps! I never got anything that said I could create a category. Just a red link category with no explanation of what to do from there. Apparently breast cancer activists is on someone's hot button list and was deleted before, so I just used health activist. Got the other 2 categories added finally. I am off to the real world. SusunW (talk) 14:26, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: You seem to have got the gist of it. Well done! If you want to recreate a category that has previously been deleted, you can always contact an administrator suh as Rosie.--Ipigott (talk) 14:35, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott: I'm sure I will forget by the next time I want to add a category, but I have pasted the instructions into a word document, so I will have them. Again, I thank you for your help. Wiki would be unfathomable without people to guide one along. I truly appreciate it. SusunW (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ipigott: I'm back on the category mystery. Can you tell me why Category:LGBT rights activists by nationality some are alphabetized by country and some go under "L"? Makes no sense to me and I cannot figure out how to correct it. SusunW (talk) 20:48, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: Two things here. First, when you mention a category in a message and you don't want the whole page to carry it, you can simply include a colon immediately after the first two square brackets, as I have above. Second, it is always possible to add a specific sort priority to a category by including a vertical bar and the term for the sort. You'll see I've dealt with the offending Ls in this way.--Ipigott (talk) 08:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

As always, you are amazing. Apparently that's a fairly common problem, as I noted my two countries were not the only ones that weren't alphabetizing correctly. (I wonder how many years Sweden has been that way.) ;) SusunW (talk) 12:22, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

An enormous amount of category cleanup is needed in the en Wikipedia but I'm afraid I tend to concentrate on the ones I have created myself, and there are not too many of those. If you really come across a serious problem, you should contact Ser Amantio di Nicolao who has been doing a fantastic job of sorting out many of the problems while the rest of us simply create new ones!--Ipigott (talk) 12:47, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Félix Ramos y Duarte

Thank goodness for the Cuban magazine article I found. But, I'd still like another set of eyes on it. Félix Ramos y Duarte, the guy who taught Rita Cetina Gutierrez and wrote the first Mexican-Spanish dictionary, is fascinating. Apparently he wrote lots of textbooks. Could not find records of many of them, but listed the ones I found on open library and internet archive. His masterwork sounds fascinating. Please feel free to add whatever you would like to make it a better piece. Cannot believe he has no Spanish article. SusunW (talk) 00:09, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, a few weeks ago I spend an hour or so looking through his Mexican dictionary. I was impressed by its wide coverage and attention to detail. I'll take a first look at your article now.--Ipigott (talk) 08:22, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

As always your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you :) SusunW (talk) 13:15, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

You're doing a great job yourself. Just one small piece of advice. Next time you create a biography or similar, use the {DEFAULTSORT:} prompt under wikimarkup at the bottom of the editing page to add the main name for sorting as the headword (see also my recent edit). In this case it should be "Ramos y Duarte, Felix". No accents admitted. If you do not do this the article will be sorted for categories, etc., under the first word of the article's title (here Felix).--Ipigott (talk) 13:23, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I have never done that, so hopefully someone has done that on all of the articles I have written. I assume then on all my Spanish folks I should check to make sure that the actual surname is how they are being sorted. I learn much from you. SusunW (talk) 13:59, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I've been doing the one's I've caught and I see other editors have been helping too. Strange that it's not included in the article creation wizzard. But it would indeed be a good idea to check them all out to see if the sort has been handled correctly. You might also look at the persondata I added on Elisa Acuña. There's provision for adding alternative name spellings.--Ipigott (talk) 14:04, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: Think I've caught them all except perhaps for the Japanese ones as I never know which convention is being followed.--Ipigott (talk) 14:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. I don't have any idea on the Japanese ones. I do people that catch my fancy and occasionally that means someone with a name in another alphabet. On the Japanese ones, numerous people have corrected the characters and I have no idea one way or the other which is correct so I just accept in good faith that they know what they are doing. SusunW (talk) 15:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

The Wikipedia rules are here. The problem is you first have to see which name comes first in Japanese and then reverse the order! In my experience, lots of Japanese names are currently in the wrong order. But I assume that Sayaka Osakabe is in the right order and I have sorted as Osakabe, Sayaka as I assume Osakabe is the family name.--Ipigott (talk) 16:57, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks are just not enough

		All-Around Amazing Barnstar
		I have no idea how you got through all those articles. You are truly an amazing mentor and an inspiration. SusunW (talk) 16:07, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a million Susun for this sign of appreciation. I have not been looking too carefully at my talk page recently but your barnstar actually came very appropriately on my 72nd birthday.--Ipigott (talk) 20:45, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Serendipity! Hope you are having a wonderful birthday. SusunW (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

It was on 8 April, the day you sent the message, not today. Thanks anyway. Great word "serendipity". It was actually coined by Horace Walpole in 1754: "always making discoveries, by accidents and sagacity, of things which they were not in quest of" and actually means Sri Lanka!. See here.--Ipigott (talk) 20:57, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Ian, just saw this and wanted to wish you a Happy Belated Birthday! --Rosiestep (talk) 13:39, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Happy Birthday too haha! You're of Swinging Sixties age! On Cortina I've asked Rosie to translate some more on the castles and we should be OK for GA then. It would be good to start a few of them and the churches in their own right though too.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Cortina's looking good now, will nom later. Can you help clear the red links and stub a few articles? Lagazuoi really should be translated from German wiki.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:34, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Support the praise, especially for the women's history outcomes (some reviews still need completion!). Consider translating the mountain from Italian, - Bermicourt is good at mountains, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Both articles are decent. Must be done asap as Jbhunley can't bare to wait for even a few hours!!! "This article is unreferenced" Really? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:46, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry: I really do not understand this. Many of these messages have been lost on me as they are half way up the page.--Ipigott (talk) 13:54, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Lagazuoi needs translating from either Italian or German, can you help?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Enthiran

Thanks for the copyedit so far. Very sorry that I had to revert two of them if I am not mistaken. Any comments at the FAC would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 11:34, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Could only find one revert on 14. When I'm copyediting, I generally tend to rewrite figures of 10 and over in Arabic numbers as this is a widely followed convention in the world press. I know, however, that Wikipedia respects those who prefer to write them out in full. In general the prose in the article is not too bad but I was surprised at the excessive (and usually incorrect) use of "due to" and "respectively". Films are not my area of expertise. I only looked at this on Dr. Blofeld's recommendation. Good luck with further work on the FA goal. (BTW, you don't need to thank me for every minor edit. The only reason I made so many was that I was involved in a edit conflict with you -- but now I'm through with the whole thing.)Ipigott (talk) 13:11, 13 April 2015 (UTC)--

Two, as you wrote US, which I changed back to United States for standardisation. Thanks very much for the c/e. The article does indeed look better. Didn't know we had an edit conflict. — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 13:27, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Miscellany and Maurice

Thanks for your help on Kenita Placide and Zelia Breaux, both fascinating. As a side note, I have written dates in the European style for decades. I live in Mexico and work in the Caribbean, so that is the style most commonly employed. Thanks also for your input on Sawchuk, the nominator withdrew the deletion request after all votes were keep.

If you have time, could you review an article? Maurice Tomlinson has added a lot of information to his own bio. It is good stuff, though has a lot of non-encyclopedic content. I have been going through the information supplying documentation links, from my database on the Caribbean. I know him, so it is seems weird to edit the piece and I am more comfortable just supplying links. But, he is too important a figure to human rights in the Caribbean to have his bio removed for POV. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 13:35, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

This is rather a difficult one. There is still quite a lot of unsourced material which normally should be removed. It is not usually a good idea for individuals to add to their own biographies unless reliable sources are provided.--Ipigott (talk) 19:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

yes, I know. I am still searching for documentation. As I said, I keep a library of Caribbean legal cases. Not biographical data, so that takes longer to source. Take out what you think you need to. As I said, his regional importance is too great to risk removal for self-promotion. SusunW (talk) 20:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I think I have found about all I am going to find. The details of his schooling I find no where, as well as some of the other minutia. I think I have all the important parts covered. I have about 10K pieces in the library, but very few have biographical detail of the parties, unless of course it becomes part of the case. Please do not feel obligated. If you cannot or do not wish to, I will try to find someone else. I posted about conflict of interest on the talk page so that it is disclosed. SusunW (talk) 23:44, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Maybe the best course of action would be to advise him, possibly by email, that unless he can provide sources for the details he has added, the passages are likely to be removed. Perhaps he would like to edit them out himself. I know some people get extremely upset when there own additions are deleted.--Ipigott (talk) 10:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I already did. When I found the article, I told him 1) it is usually unacceptable to modify one's own page. 2) I would provide sources but not edits except on cases and disclose our affiliation. 2) I would find an editor to remove uncited references and rewrite it without POV. He fully understands. I will ask him if he can provide documentation to anything you feel is important to leave in, but some of the uncited areas are not necessary to establish notability and are not necessarily encyclopedic. SusunW (talk) 13:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Then just let sleeping dogs lie. At least he made the additional edits under his own name. If some day he is awarded a high-level international prize, the article will no doubt be reviewed for accuracy and sourcing.--Ipigott (talk) 13:42, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Zíbia Gasparetto

The DYK project (nominate) 20:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Carl Nielsen's 150th anniversary on 9 June

It has just occurred to me today that the 150th anniversary of the birth of Carl Nielsen is on 9 June 2015. I think we should make every effort to bring the article up to GA if not FA by then. There are likely o be a host of Danish and worldwide celebrations in connection with the anniversary. I look forward to assistance from the usual contrubitors including Mirokado, Gerda Arendt, Dr. Blofeld, Jonahman10 and any others with an interest in Danish classical music. Please let me know here or on the article's talk page where additional work is needed.--Ipigott (talk) 14:44, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

User:Tim riley might also be interested. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:17, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Happy to help with research etc, but I know very little about this composer. Let me know if I can be of any help at the British Library etc. Tim riley talk 15:42, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Tim. Given your experience with FAs on music, perhaps you could start by looking through the article and advising on where additional work is required. A number of new websites are appearing in connection with the anniversary and there is quite an intensive programme of Nielsen concerts in the UK - see for example here.--Ipigott (talk) 15:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Done: I've added some thoughts at the article talk page. The article isn't ready for GAN yet, but if you revise on the lines I suggest (or some other lines, of course) and take it to peer review and then GAN you may then squeak in by the anniversary. I'll be perfectly willing to review for GAN, and will therefore refrain from too much further comment now. Tim riley talk 17:38, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Indeed it's not, the sourcing especially needs an overhauling, discussing with Ipigott by email.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:07, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

• Tim: Re British Library. I see my former colleague Lynne Brindley has moved on to an Oxford College. Always a leading light, especially for instance in connection with Europana and the European Library initiatives.--Ipigott (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Precious

Danish
Thank you for expanding out knowledge of Danish culture, architecture, art, cuisine, music, showing us that there so much more Danish than sweet pastry, such as Nielsen's Wind Quintet and Utzon's Bagsværd Church, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Three years ago, you were the 101st recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda for reminding me of your precious award. If you have any further advice on Nielsen, please let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 15:52, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I will keep him in mind. There's a missing ref title for an offline ref (if online, I would have done it myself). Please go and nominate for GA now, - it looks good, an a reviewer may have more suggestions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Let me take a look at it first within the next few days. Can you sort out the sources? For some reason they're labelled citations. All of the books used should be under Sources and in alpha order.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid the sources were always the weak point in this article. I really don't understand the problem. If you could explain exactly what needs to be done with one or two examples, perhaps I could sort out the rest.--Ipigott (talk) 18:07, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I've done so by email.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

OK let's work on this in User:Ipigott/Carl Nielsen. First of all I'm going to largely strip it of its sourcing and start that again. You can use the current article to help piece it together.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:12, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Why have you created this in my user area? It's not my article. As far as I can see, the main problem with many of the references is that access to The Carl Nielsen Edition at the Royal Library has changed over the past three years. If for example you want the reference to "Helios", you now have to go to search at http://www.kb.dk/en/nb/dcm/cnu/ and then write helios. You then get the intended reference at http://www.kb.dk/export/sites/kb_dk/da/nb/dcm/cnu/pdf/CNU_II_07_4_helios.pdf. You can follow the same process for all the other essential references. These are far superior to the book sources you seem to prefer. I appreciate your willingness to assist but we simply cannot do away with these precious sources.--Ipigott (talk) 19:40, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Before you go any further with deleting all the sources, can you give me 24 hours to restore the references to the correct place in the Royal Library's "Carl Nielsen Edition" around which the article has been built? You will not find anything up to the same standard in published book sources. I should of course have checked this out before I alerted you. Really sorry for causing you so much trouble and concern.--Ipigott (talk) 19:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

What did I say? Replace with a book if possible. If the web source is superior it can be resourced. It's important to do this because as you said even that kb source has moved location now. All you have to do in the sandbox now is resource the info you got from it throughout with citations with an inline cite web template as you'd do on any other article. It's very common for an article working towards GA/FA to work on an article in the sandbox. Tim, Brian and some of the others do it all of the time. In this case it needs a lot of work and I think you'd be best preparing it in your sandbox. If not then I doubt I can be of further assistance to you. I think you should get hold of some decent books, re-research him and expand his biography roughly three fold and resource what you can using books. Somebody like Nielsen should IMO be written largely using books. Have a look at some of Tim's composer FA articles. Then once fully written, use the current web sources to go through and add the remaining sources. There's nothing wrong with a lot of the web sources of course, but I think books should be the backbone of an article like this, unless I'm mistaken with how many books are written about him.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:52, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Tim riley Perhaps when you're in the British Library next you could assess what books are written about Nielsen. As I say I have no idea, web sources may well need to form the bulk of the sourcing, but I think you know what I mean about biographies as the first port of call when writing an article like this.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:00, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld, Tim riley I really appreciate the speed with which both of you have offered assistance. As I spent at least a couple of months building up this article two or three years ago mainly on the basis of the excellent Carl Nielsen Edition published by the Royal Danish Library, may I request your indulgence for a day or two so that I can provide the correct URLs to the sources. I realize that for those who are not familiar with the database, it must be very frustrating to come across so many dead links but I can assure you the quality of the information, which has been researched by top quality people, is second to none. To simply delete these links would in my mind be a disservice to Wikipedia readers at a time when Denmark is putting all its efforts into improved online coverage of its top composer. Give me a day or two and I'll restore them all. Dr. Blofeld will them be able to review the information himself before dismissing it out of hand. We can then see what to do with the remaining sources which may well benefit from additional book references. I would also very much like to follow up on Tim's recommendations.--Ipigott (talk) 20:38, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

OK, as you restore them you can check there are no dead links and nothing pointing to the wrong place and add the web citations inline as we usually do. I really do think this is necessary before we continue. Like in our other collaborations, unless the sourcing is "clean" and in order first I find it hard to begin working on something!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:44, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

How can I restore them now that they have all disappeared? I see you have sent me this but I don't know where to put them. For me, it would be easier to work on the version on the main page where I can at least see the references which need to be improved.--Ipigott (talk) 20:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm working in your sandbox. The current article Carl Nielsen still contains all of the sources. Copy them from there. You can survey all of the past referencing here and salvage what you can. I've begun going through clicking the web sources and most of them are dead links anyway.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:04, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

[2], [3], [4]. I think those books would be most useful for this.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:24, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I am trying to understand exactly what the problem is and what to do about it. In the body of the text, the first ref you have deleted is ref name="Carl Nielsen Society"/. More specifically, this ref should point to this. Do you want me to reinsert it along the lines "Funen Childhood". Carl Nielsen Society. Retrieved 21 April 2015.? If not, how do you want it formatted? Secondly, I do not understand why you have maintained Gutsche-Miller, Sarah (August 2003). "The Reception of Carl Nielsen as a Danish National Composer". Montreal: McGill University. Retrieved 20 April 2015. when the source it points to seems to be irrelevant. I must say I really cannot understand either why we cannot work directly on the version of the article on the main page, or at least incorporate the changes there too as we go along. As regards the books you suggest, I am in Luxembourg at the moment with no library access. I will not be back in DK until early July which will be too late. There are however a number of useful recent works online including Carl Nielsen and the Idea of Modernism, Carl Nielsen's Voice, Carl Nielsen Studies Vol IV although the most important work appears to be Simpson's biography. Hope we can get this sorted out soon so that I can get back to Tim's recommendations.--Ipigott (talk) 09:33, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

(watching:) I think you seriously must make a difference between the article and the sandbox, - and for collaboration I think the article should be what we work on together, while the sandbox is to try out things, but not with the intention to some day replace the article. I suggest to place all relevant question on the article talk, where every helper can see what is going on, - as much as I like "Precious" on my watchlist ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

As Dr. B is extremely keen for me to work on the sandbox version, I am trying to do that too but I am replacing the refs in the main version as I go along. Just a bit confused at the moment about how to handle all the refs, sources, etc. At this rate, it will take me a couple of weeks to rewrite all the refs though.--Ipigott (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm not extremely keen to do anything Ipigott. You seemed particularly keen on getting to GA/FA and I've done all I can to set you on your way. I restored the Gutsche-Miller ref as it was one of the few which aren't now dead links. I can see you've ignored my advice and have resumed editing the main article so good luck with it..♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:07, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I think the advice to work in the sandbox is not without problems, because it works only for you two, - how would random editors know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

What would you know Gerda? You told him to nom it for GA as it was and it's miles off! Nielsen as far as I can see gets little editing of it, I'm sure a couple of days editing in a sandbox to sort out the sourcing and then resuming in the mainspace isn't too problematic.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I know little, but I know that I don't see how you would get the sandbox sources and changes after "a couple of days" to the article while preserving history, - teach me, please, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

If Ipigott finds it easier fixing it gradually in the mainspace fair enough. Personally I find that massive clustered list full of dead links a nightmare to try to work with and can't even begin to work on an article without cleaning up the sources first. It doesn't really matter how we get from A to B so long as we do! Good luck with working through it Ipigott, you'll need it! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

No contradiction to what I suggested: keep the article, test in the sandbox and transfer to the article what is accepted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Sorry about my choice of language. By "extremely keen", I simply meant to emphasize that you wanted me to work on your sandbox version rather than on the main space. Up to now, I've changed very little as I was hoping for feedback on the sourcing changes but I have not made any changes to the mainspace article that are not also reflected in the sandbox. I discovered (a) that I need to work from the mainspace article to catch the original refs and (b) that if I make changes to the sandbox version, it only takes a few seconds to change the mainspace too. Just trying to keep everyone happy but I am seriously having problems of overall understanding of the issues. I'll push on bit by bit though but in half an hour I have to drive the family to the golf course. Thank you both for spending so much time and effort on helping me along.--Ipigott (talk) 12:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hello! Some time ago you helped me with my article about the Desyatinny Monastery, and it was quite useful. I built up one more article, and I would like to represent the new article for you, regardless of whether you will edit it. Maybe the content will be interesting for you, as you are aware a little about what I do write about, and it has some connection to the Scandinavian history, as that the subject is referred to the early history of Russia partly. Good luck! --Sterndmitri (talk) 00:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@Sterndmitri: At first sight, it looks to me like an interesting, well presented article with lots of detail. When you refer to "the city" in the Location section, do you mean Veliky Novgorod? If so, I would say so. I'll have a closer look at it later and go through it for copy-editing although in general the standard of the English looks pretty good. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 06:35, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Ian, you're right, I mean Veliky Novgorod, but the article is about the island in the outskirts (Peryn is a little bit away from the city). Glad to hear it from you about my English, I worked intensively to improve it. Last month I had been residing in Finland for 3 weeks, so I spoke English all that time - I think it has played its role ;) Was glad to hear you! --Sterndmitri (talk) 20:33, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Rescue of Stutthof victims in Denmark - The Pole with a USA Passport

Hello Ian,

Thank you so much for your article about the rescue of the Stuthoff victims in Denmark. I am trying to research the prisoner you mentioned that had a U.S. passport. Do you have any more information about this person? Do you know where I might be able to find out more about them? I'm specifically looking for instances of American prisoners who were on one of the barges that landed in Denmark. If you have any more insight or if you have any suggestions for other resources it would be greatly appreciated!

And apologies if I am posting this in the incorrect thread or page. New to this!

Thanks!, -Rachel

Racheldinovipictures (talk) 17:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

@Racheldinovipictures: I believe the information came from Erik Haaest's "Aktion Prammen" which I borrowed from the library in Stege, Møn, when I was researching the article. I do not think the book mentioned the name of the Pole with an American passport. Unfortunately I am now in Luxembourg and will not be back in Denmark until early July. I may have picked up the information from the other sources mentioned in the article. Perhaps you could also try to obtain information from the Stutthof Museum who have compiled extensive archives of the prisoners -- although I do not think they have details of those on the barge to Denmark. See here. There were also press reports of the incident at the time. There are other articles on the incident, e.g. this one. Let me know if you make any progress. Otherwise I can try to help you again in July.--Ipigott (talk) 20:42, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Lars Benzon

Hi, can you proof this from Danish? I came across a stub on one of his estates in Danish, Agard I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Intertranswiki

Hi. In 2009 you joined up for the wikiproject Wikipedia:WikiProject Intertranswiki. The project has since ceased activity but is currently being given a kick start due to its importance and the coordination needed to translate content from other wikipedias. If you're still active and are still interested please visit the bottom of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Intertranswiki and add a {{tick}} by your name within the next week so the project can do a recount and update. Thank you. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 05:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you think of anybody else who translates content from other wikis? I've invited Ramblersen, Bermicourt and Gerda.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:11, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I come across new names all the time but it will take me quite a time to find them again. If we are going to reactivate the project, one of the priorities should be to contact all those who frequently translate and invite them to list their languages and interests on the project page.--Ipigott (talk) 08:17, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, yup. I hope people can try to use the workspace to root out missing articles. You're welcome to do it for Denmark. The bot did start creating a directory for Danish wiki back in 2009 I think but will be out of date now. The idea of course is to really match categories between wikis. Of late I think I've been doing too much heavy duty work and want to get back to stubbing as I see a poor growth in notable new articles at times as I was saying to Rosie. I think we need a few editors just starting articles from other wikis with a couple of facts and sources.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Categories are only part of the problem. I've spent quite a bit of time introducing the interwiki cats for new EN architecture articles about buildings in places like Russia, Ukraine, Japan, China and India, where people usually don't attempt to find Wikipedia articles in languages with non-Latin characters. For the Asian languages, I often simply use Google or Google translate to search for the name in the local language. I then do a Wikipedia search in the relevant wiki language. It takes about ten minutes each time but for some of the more notable buildings, I think it is worth it. Sometimes there are already four or five other language versions of a new EN article. The hit rate is around 50%. The Wikipedia articles in other languages are often better illustrated and contain their own useful sources, frequently also in English. There must be tens of thousands of EN-wiki articles which are not linked to their counterparts in other languages. Perhaps someone could devise a bot or at least a semi-automated method of finding the links? Maybe stubs are a good start but there are a number of editors who are happy to translate entire documents, particularly for the most important topics. One of the most active and most competent is Furius who has been doing a great job translating from several languages. Look at his user page. There are several others but I can't remember their names off hand. I'll try to keep a list of them as I come across them in new articles.--Ipigott (talk) 08:53, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Very good point, categories. User:Charles Matthews does a lot of work with wikidata, perhaps he has some thoughts on this. I think the intertranswiki project should also try to match up categories with other wikis and be known about on wikidata and to create lists of categories with only one wiki and to try to start the English equivalent. I believe there's a lot of people on wikidata working hard to create pages, but a lot of them will only have one link and nothing in English. We should try to match categories as much as possible I think, in the long term it's an essential framework in development and matching up content.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, search on Wikidata should accelerate the research process.

As this is relatively new technology, let me explain what to expect. Simply using the search box on Wikidata is a good way in. A search looks like this, done for the Parthenon. Some things will show up with English-language names (called "labels") and descriptions, some with a label and no description, and some with a description but no label. Or neither. Where there is no label there is a Q-number, the Wikidata index. Even if there is only the bare Q-number, you can click on it, and scroll down the Wikidata page to see the "interwikis" (if any) in the "Wikipedia" section in the third part of the page.

This may sound complicated, but for say a German or French building it should work out well. Work goes on all the time adding labels and descriptions, making life easier.

How do you know that all the interwikis are on one page? Actually, you don't. It is quite possible that there are two or more sets on different Wikidata pages, which should be merged. (Merging is much easier than here, and has good tech support, but I won't go into that here.)

In any case an interwiki project, rebooted to take account of Wikidata, sounds like a good idea. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Charles Matthews Is it possible you could alert them on wikidata of this project on wikipedia which aims to match up articles and categories with other wikis and suggest somewhere we can get a bot to create a lot of missing articles/categories etc needing "matching" up to assist wikidata? I do think something of this scale needs to involve some sort of bot. I think matching up the categories themselves would be a good place to start. Yesterday for instance I found an entirely missing category with this, and 58 missing articles. To match up that category and at least to start one or two articles to set it on its way I think is essential towards development on here. Root out the categories on other wikipedias which only have categories in their given languages and not in English, and try at least to match up the categories. Long term I think a coordinated approach like this would be very important.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:56, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

There are several problems here. When someone writes a new article in English (or any other language) he is frequently not aware that there might be articles on the same topic in other languages. Searching on Wikipedia itself leaves a lot to be desired. (And in many cases, even if an editor has translated an article from another wiki, he does not add the Wikidata link and does not identify the article from which he has translated.) It is usually easier to make a Google search on the person, building or whatever and specifying Wikipedia in the search. For the languages using the Latin alphabet such searches can be quite rewarding. Another good way of identifying relevant articles in other languages is to use Commons. Often an illustration in the new article will turn out to be used in articles in other languages which can then be found and linked. I have not noticed Wikidata coming up in Google searches but I will begin to experiment. I know that Wikidata also accommodates Commons, other Wikimedia projects, etc., but in most cases it only lists articles on the same topic in other languages. Maybe the relevant Commons categories could be automatically included in Wikidate, especially when the Commons category has the same title as the article (and has been included in a Commons template)?--Ipigott (talk) 10:32, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, when I posted feedback recently to Erik Moeller on the way forward on wikipedia I suggested a new search engine which recognizes entries on other wikis if missing and attempts to use google translate to provide a makeshift article until somebody can translate it. This is really the key to future growth between wikis, translation I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Not too keen on "makeshift" articles but I really think it would be useful for editors to have easier access to articles on the same topic in other languages and a more straightforward way of linking to them via Wikidata.--Ipigott (talk) 12:52, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Stallerhof

Can you proof read Stallerhof? Give you a break from Nielsen ;-).♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Can you translate Ewa Kupiec from German wiki?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:56, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Quite a long article in German. I'll try to add the essentials over the next few days but I would like to divide my time between the Intertranswiki stub focus and other priorities.--Ipigott (talk) 07:37, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Ooops...

So once again, sorry for the mess I made at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Intertranswiki. I'm not used to working on projects and did not follow the rules. I'll clean up my ill-chosen suggestions and hopefully things will go back to normal after that. Best, w.carter-Talk 07:30, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

It was certainly not a mess. Many of the churches in your list were good choices. I don't think you broke any rules either - we haven't really established any yet. We are simply exploring new ways to invigorate the project. I'm pleased to see you are playing such an active role in the discussion. You've done a great job on Tisselskog Church. Keep up the good work!--Ipigott (talk) 07:36, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Cortina d'Ampezzo

Harrias ^talk 06:53, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll join

Yes, I will be happy to join, on my Arbustum user page, when you click Contributions - this will lead to to all of the articles I have started (only); the red ones are planned and/or in the making.

Arbustum (talk) 09:04, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

@Arbustum: Great! Maybe you would like to contribute to compiling Focus of the Week lists by drawing on your red-linked Polish castles?--Ipigott (talk) 10:25, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Persondata RfC

Hi, You participated in the previous Persondata RfC. I just wanted to notify you that a new RfC regarding the methodical removal of Persondata is taking place at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Thanks, —Msmarmalade (talk) 08:01, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Irataba FAC3

Irataba is back at FAC: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Irataba/archive3. We look forward to your comments there. RO^(talk) 16:22, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Rosalia Spirer

Ipigott, in response to your question: the phrase I crafted in the lead refers to the subject's citizenship/nationality. Spirer was indeed born in Romania, and was probably granted Romanian citizenship in 1923, along with most of the country's Jews. (She may have had it earlier, but certainly no later than that date.) But by remaining in Soviet-controlled Moldavia, which first became Soviet in 1940-1941 and was once again Soviet from 1944 to 1991, she acquired Soviet citizenship. (There was a decree to this effect in early 1941: all inhabitants of formerly Romanian Moldavia were stripped of their Romanian citizenship and granted Soviet nationality.) And she was then a Soviet citizen for the remainder of her life: she died in March 1990, and Moldovan citizenship was not created until July 1991, a month before the country declared its independence from the Soviet Union. She lived and worked in the Soviet Union for half a century, after all, so while she was not a Soviet in the early part of her life, she became one later.

In sum, the most likely course of citizenship for Spirer was as follows: stateless, 1900-1923; Romanian, 1923-1941; Soviet, 1941-1990. I hope this explanation helps. - Biruitorul ^Talk 03:23, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

@Biruitorul:. Thank you for your clear and detailed explanations. Then she should probably not be categorized as a Moldovan architect? Ditto Sergei Ginger?--Ipigott (talk) 06:37, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

My pleasure; I also tried some rephrasing on Ginger. Actually, with categories, we've tended to take a slightly more lax approach: anyone from the present territory of Moldova tends to be eligible for the Moldova categories, even if s/he died before 1991. See for instance Simeon G. Murafa, Ilie Cătărău, Toma Ciorbă, Pan Halippa, all of whom died decades before there was an independent Moldova.

As for your other message, I agree that the definition currently used is open to various interpretations; moreover, the list itself is a bit chaotic. I see good potential for cleanup. - Biruitorul ^Talk 14:13, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your assistance. Then we'll go on using the Moldovan categories for the time being. Are you interested in improving the other articles on Moldovans and Moldova? You seem to have all the necessary background.--Ipigott (talk) 14:22, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Nielsen

The Good Article nomination page is now open for business. Tim riley talk 13:31, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carl Nielsen/archive1 nommed.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Let's see what additional work is required to make the grade.--Ipigott (talk) 06:14, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Baltic women journalists

Are Alexsander and Jakob really female LOL? If you can't find 10 women bios we could just do male I guess.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:47, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry: been doing too much today... Let's just delete "women". These are valid participants.--Ipigott (talk) 20:52, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Hokay, sorry Rosie :-(♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:53, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I promise to find some worthy ladies tomorrow! But we should not forget our male companions.--Ipigott (talk) 20:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Is the 1901 image I added OK? BTW can you improve Claude Pivi a bit? The French wiki mentioned a court case and all that and it didn't translate well. That one needs to be researched externally I think. I don't feel confident on that one. That was the last one for Guinea.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Carl Nielsen has been nominated for Did You Know

I cannot help you much with the article on Nielsen, but I am working diligently at translating the redlinks. Last one today. My Karen-Maria would be so proud of me. I speak only 1 sentence of Danish, "I'm about to wet my pants" but not as politely as that. Karen always said I was a failure at language. True, but I am good with translation software. ;) Put it in multiple engines, synthesize it and then run it back through and see if you have gobbledeegood. SusunW (talk) 15:52, 20 May 2015 (UTC)S

@SusunW: As always, I am extremely grateful to you for trying to help out with the red links. I know you are familiar with machine translation as I remember your recent comments on the performance of different systems for translating from various languages. Believe it or not, I am something of an expert in the field as I headed the development of machine translation systems (mainly Systran but also Logos and other smaller systems) at the European Commission between 1976 and 1993 when we put together a wide range of European language pairs. See for example this report. Systran was also used initially by Google before they developed their own statistical system which, in my opinion, has become the best system for translating from the major world languages into English. I was particularly interested to hear you preferred the Dutch-English Systran system as that is still heavily based on our early developments. Sometimes you may however get a mistaken impression of a given system as much depends on the syntax and formatting of the source text. The better a text is drafted and presented, the better it will be for machine translation. Anyway, when I have time I'll look more closely at what you have been "translating" from Danish in connection with Carl Nielsen. At the moment, I am spending most of my time on trying to improve the article on the basis of all the comments that are rushing in for the FA consultation. Keep up the good work. It's a great help.--Ipigott (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I am first and foremost a researcher. I love the "puzzle" aspect of it, rooting out a particularly elusive piece of data is exhilarating, IMO. I learned machine translation by default, as the language gap I suffer from, would obscure sources if I were not so obstinate. It may well be that Google is fine for continental Dutch, I do not know, but in the real world, I work in the Caribbean. It is impossible to get a good translation on Caribbean Dutch in Google. May be that is because large bits are archaic, may be that is because it is mixed with Creole, may be any number of things, but I save myself hours of researching time by using systrans for the Dutch Caribbean. And you are welcome. I figured another meddler in the document would not help, but if I can clear the red links and at the same time improve our coverage gaps helping Dr. B with the translation project, it is all good. Salud! SusunW (talk) 17:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: I think you slightly misunderstood me. I said Google was good for the major world languages: English, French, German, Spanish, Russian, Chinese and Japanese (especially in combinations of these and above all in and out of English). Their statistical approach also benefits from translations between these languages, especially in and out of English. But Google is also slowly improving for the minor languages and as Systran was never properly developed for Danish, Google is certainly the best for Danish-English (and also Norwegian and Swedish into English). But I entirely agree with you that Systran is still likely to provide better translations from Dutch (and probably also from Greek if you ever need it) as these are not world languages. I think your approach is spot on: "Put it in multiple engines, synthesize it and then run it back through and see if you have gobbledeegood". If ever I write another article on MT I'll certainly include your quote. But I also add: make sure the sentences are intact and not chopped up into smaller phases as a result of formatting problems. Og Susun, når du oversætter, skal du passe på at du ikke tisser i bukserne!--Ipigott (talk) 18:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

ROFLOL, literally. OMG, I am "tisser i bukserne"! SusunW (talk) 18:40, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Great to see someone around here can see the funny side of what we are doing too. Most people take it all far too seriously.--Ipigott (talk) 21:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Book links

Hi. The Googlebook links amount to no more than cruft really, they do not add any information. One should only give hyperlinks where the text of the book/article/whatever becomes available by clicking - otherwise you are wasting the reader's time. Similarly I deleted links to 'additional' books, since there needs to be a rationale for including these. Those that were not already listed under sources are all Danish and inaccessible to en-WP readers. See WP:ELYES etc.--Smerus (talk) 15:25, 20 May 2015 (UTC).

Yes, Smerus you were probably quite right to delete the contents of Further reading although I compiled the list after looking at several other FA articles on composers where such lists had been included. Personally, I always find the Further reading section useful as it recommends a subset of works cited in the sources (usually far more numerous than the ones we have for the Nielsen article) which may be more useful for providing basic background for the reader who wants to go further. As for the links to Google books, I have also found these useful, especially when Google provides access to extended excerpts from the books themselves (as with several of the books cited here) but also more generally as it is frequently possible to search for items in a particular book on a given topic or person and receive a few lines from the book itself which may well be suitable for citation. This is not normally possible from other sources. I know Dr. Blofeld is very keen on using the Google sources/references in virtually all articles and I have been following his leadership. If it is really not acceptable, I will have a lot of deleting to do, especially on other articles which have reached GA status and might be candidates for FA. See, for example, Copenhagen.--Ipigott (talk) 16:41, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Well the deciding factor should be, does a link actually add anything? A link to Googlebooks (unless it is to a complete text, of course) adds nothing - as the book citation will already have publisher, date, and ISBN where the latter exists. The only effect is to create traffic for Google, but it tells nothing to the reader. IMO this makes such links cruft. Effectively they are overlinking - inviting the reader to click but not giving them any reward. In all the GA and FA projects I have successfully brought to completion, no reviewer has ever asked for, or suggested, linking book titles to Googlebooks. If I were not an editor of the Carl Nielsen article, I would have commented on the FA review suggesting that such links should be removed.--Smerus (talk) 17:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

PS a little canvassing - I am a candidate in the elections for the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees so if you are thinking of voting, do consider me! (Despite my savaging the book links :-) ). Best--Smerus (talk) 17:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The link is useful for people who want to buy the books. And in the US sometimes sources can be read online which can only be previewed in the UK etc.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:35, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

M. le docteur, I am not convinced. Anyone who wants to buy the book will go to Amazon......and it's definitely not WP's function to assist the sales of third parties...--Smerus (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

If the page isn't viewable on google books, yes it should be delinked. But my ref making tools does it automatically.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:00, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

• I think the whole matter of links to Google books - and the prohibition to link to anything from search engines (what are they anyway?) - should be further investigated. Is Europeana as here to be considered a search engine? If so, my work with the European national libraries (and associated museums, archives, etc.) over the past 20 years has been in vain. Please reconsider. I think Dr. Blofeld has enormous experience in Wikipedia and his views should also be taken into consideration. That said, I have had difficulty in ploughing through the Board of Trustees stuff. I eventually found your application and understand it is a two year assignment for three new candidates. As far as I can see there are 20 applicants. I see you are the oldest (and possibly most experienced) of all the candidates. One problem is that there are already three English speakers on the board. The other is that Wikipedia and related projects have always benefited from the dynamism of young people. I will look at all this more closely between now and 31 May when the process comes to an end. We have to bear in mind that there are currently only two women on the board and no one from huge developing areas such as China and India.--Ipigott (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

@Smerus: Thanks for directing me to the Board of Trustees election. I'm pleased I went there as I was able to give my opinion on all the various candidates. If you are elected, I hope you will still find time to contribute to Wikipedia editing. It would be a great pity to lose all your expertise.--Ipigott (talk) 10:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Alt text worthwhile

I often get feedback from Graham87, an administrator on en-wp who has been blind since infancy. Graham uses JAWS and other screen readers, and he is always helpful if asked about how he hears an article. Of course, I wouldn't expect to get much feedback from visitors who were not registered editors - and that's almost all of them.

I read in http://www.practicalecommerce.com/articles/2114-Screen-Readers-Eight-Frequently-Asked-Questions that they estimate around 3% of visitors to eCommerce sites are using a screen reader. While I don't know the fraction for Wikipedia, I might suspect that it's probably not appreciably different - even if it were an order of magnitude smaller (for whatever reason), that would still be 3 users in every thousand. Since http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm is showing 8.6 million page views to the English Wikipedia every hour, that would suggest 25,000+ screen reader views per hour even at my very conservative estimate. I can't say with absolute certainty that our efforts are worthwhile, but when Carl Nielsen is featured on the main page, I'll try to remember to check the number of view it gets that day. Even if only 0.3% of those come from screen readers, I'd bet that we'll both think it was worthwhile. Cheers. --RexxS (talk) 18:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I am surprised to see that is no reference to Wikipedia here for the RNIB in the UK. Shouldn't Wikipedia or Wikimedia be doing more to increase awareness? Also among editors? I have worked in projects with the weak-sighted community for quite some time and have not been made aware of their interest in alt text. How can the situation be improved?--Ipigott (talk) 19:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ian, thanks for your improvements to the alt text in Nielsen's article. I find alt text particularly beneficial in examples such as the poster, which contains details that would be redundant in a caption but would be easily missed by screen reader users. Cartoons and maps are other examples of this phenomenon. Graham87 07:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Glad to have your feedback, Graham. Are there any images where you find the alt text inadequate?--Ipigott (talk) 07:06, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Nope, not on that article. But in some ways I don't know if I'm missing out on something by not being able to see the images, if that makes sense. Graham87 15:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I quite understand what you mean. Let me know in future if you would like me to add alt text to any of the articles I am working on. It's easy to do and I'm always happy to provide a service that's appreciated.--Ipigott (talk) 15:04, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Banknote

Unsure why you removed this. Only one editor queried whether it was fair use, and that was a quibble which was contested by others. The grave, however, appears to be copyright until end-2015 - if anything was to go, according to the rules, it would be the latter. Best, --Smerus (talk) 07:47, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

@Smerus: I certainly tried to get approval for the banknote and stressed how important I thought is was to the article but not only Nikkimaria but later Crisco 1492 objected to it (see above). Maybe they would both like to reconsider, given that several other images have now been removed. I have tried to sort out your concert programme and have changed the licences. The source tells us it was the concert programme rather than a poster. Do you have any additional information indicating is was a poster? Maybe we should change the caption? As for the gravestone, it seems to be a borderline case, subject to Commons convention rather than Creative Commons rules. That's why I left it for the time being. I have found several other images which seem to coincide with all necessary criteria but I don't want to upset the FAC process by including them at this late stage. In my opinion, it would be better to get the article accepted as it is now rather than creating additional problems liable to slow down the process.--Ipigott (talk) 08:28, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

• The NFCC is very clear on this. Criterion 8: "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." (emphasis mine). There are two parts to that sentence, and both have to be met: significantly increase readers' understanding, and omission would be detrimental. "So and so was on a banknote" doesn't require an image for us to understand. If there were significant discussion (say, the portrait was controversial, etc.) that might pass, but a single sentence like that doesn't meet the criteria. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 08:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

• I certainly don't want to make a big thing of it at this stage. I am curious however as to why, in any case, it is considered a non-free image; that seems to me to be the crux. The copyright holders state [5] :

Money as illustration

In continuation of these legislation, Danmarks Nationalbank has prepared the following guidelines for using money as illustration in advertising, publications and similar. The responsibility to ensure compliance with applicable legislation and to ensure that illustrations cannot be mistaken for genuine money always rests on the individual person or firm wishing to use banknotes and coins as illustrations.

Danmarks Nationalbank's guidelines for reproduction of banknotes

Banknotes may be reproduced electronically at a resolution not exceeding 200 pixels in height when reproduced in actual size 1:1

Banknotes may be reproduced in print at more than 140 per cent or less than 70 per cent of their length and height

If reproduced in actual size, no more than 1/3 of the banknotes may be shown

Details and parts of the design of a banknote may not be reproduced independently of the rest of the banknote.​

That seems to me to be permission to use the image, within those parameters. Best, --Smerus (talk) 10:59, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

@Smerus: I would certainly agree with you but it's one thing to read on a website that images may be reproduced and quite another to find Wikipedia or Commons licence tags allowing the image to be used. I have also looked carefully at Category:Currency_copyright_tags but I can't find anything suitable. I don't know if one of the administrators, perhaps Rosiestep can help us to sort this out?--Ipigott (talk) 06:37, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@INeverCry: As I'm not an expert on images, and you're a Commons administrator, would you be able to assist or could you suggest someone? --Rosiestep (talk) 07:14, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@INeverCry: I hope very much you can help with this. As I have deleted the image from the Carl Nielsen article, it is now about to be deleted despite the fact that Smerus has included additional details at. I cannot see how to mention that it is now under discussion. Can you help?--Ipigott (talk) 12:34, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't deal much with currency, but Denmark currency is non-free according to c:Commons:Currency#Denmark. It looks like any Denmark currency image would have to conform to NFCC to be hosted here. INeverCry 23:22, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@INeverCry: Thank you for responding so quickly. I still find the situation very confusing given the clear statement made by the national bank (above) which is not taken into account at NFCC.--Ipigott (talk) 07:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I used to do a lot of FFD deletions based on NFCC when I was an admin here, but I don't remember any currency related ones. NFCC changes can be made, but it's probably not fast or easy. We've got month-old DRs open at Commons right now waiting on clarification of Jordan's Freedom of Panorama laws. Anyways, maybe Diannaa can comment on changing NFCC policies, and how that's done. I was just a button pusher way back when. INeverCry 08:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Then perhaps Diannaa can cast some light on the situation. For context, there is strong interest in including the image in the Carl Nielsen article. Once the image problems are sorted out, we are aiming for TFA on 9 June, Nielsen's 150th anniversary.--Ipigott (talk) 08:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The image cannot be considered to be freely available or released under license, as the Danish law allows reproduction of the image within certain guidelines, but does not allow it to be used commercially or modified, as would be available options if it were under say a cc-by license or PD. Wikipedia's non-free content rules are quite strict for fair use. A magazine or book cover is not permitted to illustrate an article about the person on the cover. The same applies to money. We don't need to see a picture of the money to understand that the person's picture appeared on the money. It therefore fails NFCC #8, as the image does not greatly increase our understanding of the subject of the article (Carl Nielsen). And it fails NFCC #1, because there's a free alternative: replacing the image with prose. The place to go if you wish to discuss making changes to the policy itself is Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Hope this helps. -- Diannaa (talk) 13:21, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks Diannaa. Your explanation is very helpful. I therefore agree that the image should be removed from the Carl Nielsen article but understand I could use it to illustrate an article on the banknote itself where there could also be information on the inclusion of the composer as a national hero. It would then be possible to provide a wikilink from the article. I hope that Smerus will agree to this solution.--Ipigott (talk) 14:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for María Luisa Elío

Thanks for your help with this great project Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Churches

Hi, is it possible you could translate/expand Igreja de Nossa Senhora da Nazaré and Igreja e Convento de Nossa Senhora do Carmo from Portuguese?♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I see they are from Interwikitrans. OK, I'll have a go but I don't know how much time I can spend on them as we have visitors for the next few days.--Ipigott (talk) 12:46, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thankyou!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:46, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Can you proof Bonifaciu Florescu and add what you can, I've hidden the translation. That was the last one of the month, I'll archive now, thanks for starting a few of them.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:29, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

A question

Hello, I hope all is well with you! I was wondering if I could ask you a language-related question, or if you could point me in the right direction? As you taught me, the proper title of an article about a Swedish church should be with capital C, like Ala Church; and as far as I've gathered, the same is true for nature reserves (so it's Sandemar Nature Reserve)? Now my question is, what would I do with a nature reserve which in Swedish is called Berge urskogs naturreservat? Should I put the title as Berge old-growth forest Nature Reserve, as Berge Old-growth Forest Nature Reserve, as Berge Old-Growth Forest Nature Reserve or simply as Berge urskog Nature Reserve? Sorry for this perhaps trivial question, but it would hurt my own eyes to do it in the wrong way! Best regards, Yakikaki (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Good to hear from you, Yakikaki. Hope you are well too. In Denmark, we usually translate "urskov" as virgin forest and I suppose it means the same in Swedish. So how about Berge Virgin Forest Nature Reserve? You can of course also include the Swedish name exactly as it is.--Ipigott (talk) 17:23, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Ipigott! I will do as you suggest, the word is the same in Swedish. :) Yakikaki (talk) 17:33, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I see btw there is a genuine English-language article titled Cold River Virgin Forest - so it seems to be OK.--Ipigott (talk) 17:35, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Response to your invitation

Hello. You have a new message at Remotelysensed's talk page.

Carl Nielsen is now a featured article

Well done!--Smerus (talk) 10:09, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Featured Article Star

A hearty congratulations on your first featured article. Almost achieved the impossible in promoting Carl Nielsen here!! Hope to see many more. Thankyou for all of your hard work on this, and that goes for Mirokado, Smerus and anybody else who helped edit and review it too, especially Nikkimaria, Brian, Tim and SchroCat! Thanks also to Gerda Arendt as without her comment to Crisco I'd not have even considered nomming!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:17, 5 June 2015 (UTC)]]

Thanks very much to everyone who collaborated so constructively on this article despite the tight deadline. The effort has certainly been worthwhile as I am sure it will be widely read over the next few days and could serve as a basis for improvements to the articles on Nielsen in the other pertinent languages (including Danish!). I still intend to make some important improvements when I return to Denmark at the end of July, especially in regard to the illustrations and the reception of the major celebration concerts. I now look forward to working with all of you on Jean Sibelius whose 150th anniversary will be on 8 December - so we still have quite a bit of time to go.--Ipigott (talk) 13:33, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Joyful day of celebrating collaboration! - I like to thank people in the background, namely SusunW for writing several supporting articles, - and like to be thanked for "pushing", for a change, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, this was certainly a major collaborative effort. In addition to all those mentioned above, your encouragement, Gerda, was a major success factor. And Susun's excellent supporting articles have also improved the overall coverage.--Ipigott (talk) 13:51, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Congratualtions! The supporting articles were about the only way I could see to help you, which I wanted to do but had no idea how to until @Gerda Arendt: posted the red links. It takes a village. ;)

• Tillykke, godt arbejde!·maunus · snunɐɯ· 00:21, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Mange tak, Maunus.--Ipigott (talk) 06:24, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations! This really is a wonderful accomplishment. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:25, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Rosie.--Ipigott (talk) 06:24, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

David Granadino

Can you find anything more on Granadino? Seems pretty notable.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Present

As promised, I tried to assemble a sortable list of Nielsen's works, based on the three in the list of his works. Please check and correct! FS no. 334 and 403 look a bit strange. Please let me know if I should move it to a new title or if it might replace the lists by FS and OP in the present works article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:39, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

More precisely: I took the list by genre as a base, but - comparing - find items missing there such as Op. 4. Should I include them? - Where would I find the original titles of Op. 3? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I added Op. 4, but what's the scoring/genre? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda, for taking the trouble to prepare this list. Op 3 is simply titled Fem Klavierstykker (Five Piano Pieces). You can find all the Danish titles and opus numbers here. There still seems to be quite a bit of work needed on completing the opus numbers, the original titles and the English translations. I think it is a little premature to replace the present list but in the meantime why not link (i.e. see also) from List of compositions by Carl Nielsen.--Ipigott (talk) 15:31, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Good idea to link from one to the other once I moved. - How about the other questions, or: where do I find scoring, on top of titles as in the link you mentioned? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Tha Carl Nielsen Edition contains all the scores but it's quite a headache to reference all the PDF sources. See also the main article. As the Edition is bilingual, you will also find "official" titles in Danish and English (if you want to spend all night on it!).--Ipigott (talk) 15:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I have rehearsal on Mondays ;) - Op. 4: it's poems, but "Music to" sounds like something comparing to "Pictures of an exhibition", - I'm just curious if it's genre vocal, instrumental, piano ...? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

From here it certainly seems to be songs, i.e. vocal.--Ipigott (talk) 16:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

If you also want to include the scores, why not use the CNW references from the Carl Nielsen Edition? As this is probably going to take some time to complete properly, I suggest we now just include a "see also" from the other list. In the meantime, I'll try to include translations, add italics where necessary and fill in any other details I can add without much trouble. I also wonder whether the default listing should not be as chronological as possible. It seems a bit funny to me to see Saul og David (which was never very successful) at the top of the list.--Ipigott (talk) 16:10, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

As I said, the initial (!) listing follows the one by genre, where the same opera is leading. Chronology: simply click on time, - for catalogue: on FS, - for Opus etc. - If the initial listing is chronological, we will have many more entries before getting to the famous works. For now, I will place symphonies up, ok? - What do you think about linking the free scores, such as [6]? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I moved it to Carl Nielsen works. Feel free to improve, - I will link from other articles after rehearsal. As for italics: no italics for generic names - but I don't know know if that also applies if it's in Danish, - and no italics for English which is not a title in English but the translation of a title. I didn't use quotation marks for songs because their idea is to separate a song title from text which is not needed in a table. Enjoy --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:26, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

• Yes, I realize it can be reordered on each title but I think it's a good idea to put symphonies first. Glad to see it's now in the main space. I would strongly suggest linking the Carl Nielsen Edition CNWs for the scores - they are all freely accessible on the internet. I'll see what I can tidy up fairly quickly. Improvements can follow over the next few days.--Ipigott (talk) 17:56, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Have just noticed that the concertos are missing. Perhaps they should come after the symphonies as they are also important works.--Ipigott (talk) 18:57, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Good catch, fixed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Ved en ung kunstners baare is listed twice.--Ipigott (talk) 20:45, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Once as string quintet, once as arrangement for string orchestra, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

And so we made it! And Belle has returned to wikipedia too, overjoyed!♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:53, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Nicely modestly put, and true! - What I liked most was the collaboration of the we, many Precious, - it was not easy to find a Nielsen-related recipient for today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Maybe you should initiate something like "Precious Groupings"? --Ipigott (talk) 08:33, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

ps: two ill and a redlink on the works --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Nielsen TFA

Delighted – and astonished, given the timetable – that Nielsen has made it to the front page in time for his annniversary. Loud applause for everyone concerned! Tim riley talk 08:26, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Tim. Much of the credit is due to you.--Ipigott (talk) 08:30, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Bets are up who will receive more hits, the composer or the horse (more than 100k two days ago) ;) - Thank you, Ipigott, for improving Tre Motetter, - no edit conflict for the next half hour or so ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

The horse will win - it's a racehorse. Besides, all girls love horses, as you must know. And even Chopin only had 3,500 hits for TFA.--Ipigott (talk) 10:38, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't a serious question, - I like your winning answer, - the author of the horse article is a friend of mine, and yes, we love horses ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

9 June 2015

Carl Nielsen made

Main Page history

and you were part of

working for his works!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Very pretty! You're always so creative. And as we're in a translation mood, Tusind tak!--Ipigott (talk) 15:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: We actually did far better than Chopin with c. 14,000 hits yesterday (but not as well as the horse). And today we are being helped along by your two DYKs.--Ipigott (talk) 07:53, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Mange tak! Today I have one DYK nominated (by SusunW), two more by her + the motetter need a review! Help wante, - it would be nice to have them all as long as Nielsen's name is still on the Main page (2 more days), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

ps re "pretty": I learned design here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

14,000 is still very poor considering the million odd who visit daily...07:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Poor? - I feel rich, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

It actually seems to be about average for TFAs. What's more, we can expect continuing interest in the coming weeks and months. I tend to agree with Gerda: I feel pleased we've produced a high-quality article which is being so widely read. I would imagine that most people who have read the article had very little, if any previous knowledge of Carl Nielsen. So I think we have really contributed to their education. And as for the "million odd who visit daily", there were in fact 21.7 million yesterday and I'm sure a fair proportion of those at least read the first few lines of Nielsen. Finally, from the comments we have received, the article seems to have been widely appreciated.--Ipigott (talk) 08:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

21,713,790 people visited the main page yesterday but only about 0.64% actually clicked to read the article. Mmm.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:59, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Had you heard of Carl Nielsen before we started developing articles about him in 2010? If it hadn't been for your recent almost total immersion, you probably wouldn't have clicked on it either. And you take a special interest in music. Did you listen to the Nielsen concert on Radio 3 last night from Manchester? I missed it as I was watching the one from Copenhagen. Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to access it online. Haven't seen any reviews on either yet.--Ipigott (talk) 14:18, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I've known who Nielsen is since the age of 7 or 8, when I learned about Hans Christian Andersen and him being from Denmark.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Now that really is impressive. Please accept my apologies for underestimating your knowledge. Most Danish children of that age know his songs but not his name. Although I studied piano up to a fairly high level when I was young, I did not come across Nielsen until I was in my 30s and became a frequent visitor to Denmark.--Ipigott (talk) 15:40, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I've found it here now. It's playing in background.--Ipigott (talk) 14:25, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Hit count is higher if google offers a doodle, as for Kafka (linked from my user page, still most successful TFA ever) - but would these readers actually study detail? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Kafka is indeed impressive. Must have been part of the Process.--Ipigott (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

So culture can beat a pony, after all.--Ipigott (talk) 14:40, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

How cruel. Poor pony. Call the sanctuary. Belle (talk) 16:06, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should join up with the Aussies and work on improvements to EquiCulture, just to keep everyone happy, including the ponies and the hippophiles who brush them down every day. Perhaps Belle can find some nice pictures (or hammered out scupltures) of hippophilic maidens? (As Woody Allen once said: "I'd call him a sadistic, hippophilic necrophile, but that would be beating a dead horse.") And now we should get back to something completely different, like CNW numbers, n'est-ce pas?--Ipigott (talk) 16:33, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Stallerhof

Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:35, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for helping a red link of years ago! It's featured also on Portal:Germany, - if you have other DYK related to Germany, please feel free to add there yourself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

This was not my baby. Just did a bit of translation/copy editing. Surprised I was included in the DYK.

Finding the CNWs more difficult and time-consuming than I expected. Also surprised to see how difficult it is to find some of Nielsen's best known songs in the table. After quite a bit of research, I found that Jens Vejmand (CNW 137) is actually one of the Stofiske Sange. I suppose all seven songs should be listed. I may return to the table tomorrow. It would certainly be good if we could complete it but to do it properly will probably be a big job. Also quite difficult to find the CNW entries for some of the items in your table, although most of them should be there somewhere! See also the Da-wiki listing.--Ipigott (talk) 12:59, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Some babies are nurtured by several people ;) - The table is not my baby, I took the titles from the list of his compositions, - one of the reasons I made the table was that fixing the same mistake three times seemed not a good idea, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

They are the exception to prove the rule. But now we can start to find lots of new discrepancies (or missing entries) to add or correct! I'll keep trying to contribute a bit more each day. I think one of the problems is that the en wiki never really developed coverage of his songs, which is not surprising as the vast majority are only sung in Denmark. I had promised to write an article about them but there are only so many hours in the day! Your new friend MWP doesn't seem to have taken up your offer to contribute.--Ipigott (talk) 13:58, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I can't connect to the site, so can't check 362 vs. 360 for snapsen - which should have a longer Danish title, - I was confused by the quotation marks for bel canto, sorry, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Site is down at the moment. It seems to go down several times a day and was recently down for a whole weekend. Great national maintenance for CN's anniversary! Anyway, if I remember correctly it's simply "Til Snapsen (Bel Canto)". I'm now about half way through but a lot more work is needed if all the songs in the CNW catalogue are to be listed. I've been guessing some of the URLs in the 300s as I haven't been able to access the detailed entries for an hour or so. Will double check when it's back on line.--Ipigott (talk) 09:13, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I've done what I can with Carl Nielsen works for the time being. I've tried to double check everything but it has been hard going with the KB site being down so often. But I'm not too sure about the italics and quotes: perhaps you could look it through.--Ipigott (talk) 13:42, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Festival Les Nuits Romantiques

Mornin. Can you find anything else on this? Most sources seem to be in French.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:43, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I've found a few bits and pieces on this. Now trying to improve Maskarade, the Opera of the month at WP Opera.--Ipigott (talk) 10:03, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Carl Nielsen

It was handed out as Carte de visits in 1908, as mentioned on the page; wide distribution is usually enough to count for publication. Further, Danish copyrght law does not require publication, so... Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 11:06, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi

Please take a looka at the article Per Holknekt that I have created. Appreciate it. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:24, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

@BabbaQ: Good translation of the Swedish. I made some minor copy edits and added a line on his latest girlfriend. Certainly in order for DYK. I don't know if you translate from other languages but you certainly seem to be a great SV-EN translator. You might like to become a member of WP:Intertranswiki and its Swedish component. We have recently been trying to revive the project and are looking for ideas on new articles, particularly those from other wikis which are red-linked in English. We also frequently need help in translation (and copy editing).--Ipigott (talk) 09:52, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

I did see it but Swedish male designers are not anything I know about, and I don't speak Swedish so didn't say anything, Good job Babba!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:11, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps you or BabbaQ can translate this and start Saint Barthélemy under Swedish rule. Yakikaki has stopped responding for whatever reason.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:20, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Looks like an interesting topic. I'll see if I can get back to it in the next few days.--Ipigott (talk) 09:42, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, it's been archived now. Perhaps you could add a bit to Ferruccio Ferrazzi, somebody tried speedying it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Whether it's archived or not, it is still an article worth developing. I've already started it and will continue working on it over the next couple of days. Ferruccio Ferrazzi seems to be quite an important painter. I'll add the more important details soon.--Ipigott (talk) 08:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Per Holknekt

Materialscientist (talk) 01:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Ana Rosa Tornero

You seem so busy that I hate to ask and certainly there is no rush, but, I found this piece and am wondering if it is the same Ana I wrote the article on. I find no other Ana Rosa Tornero's in my searches, but Mexico is limited on what I can search. Is there anything in the article that would definitively link this kiss shy actress with a lovely photo movie star? to my teacher, journalist, feminist? SusunW (talk) 04:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

@SusunW: There are two factors which possibly relate the two: the date of the film (1930) when your Ana would have been 23, and the Ateneo which you mention in your article and which is mentioned in the film write-up as a theatre group: Ateneo de la Juventud. Furthermore, the short biography of Luis Pizarroso Cuenca (also from the Ateneo) does not mention his theatrical activities in which case both he and Ana may have acted as amateurs in their spare time. I have not been able to find any other pertinent references to Ana Rosa Tornero. The only mention in Who's Who in Latin America is under Bilbao La Vieja. You are quite right that Tornero is not a common name. So all in all, I think there is a fair probability that the photo is in fact of your Ana.--Ipigott (talk) 08:11, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! That was the conclusion I had come to but I wanted a second opinion. You're the best! SusunW (talk) 11:39, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

You any good with Russian Ipigott? I can't remember. this needs translation.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

My Russian is pretty rusty. In any case, I'm pretty busy with other things, so I'll give this one a pass.--Ipigott (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Ezhiki?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:05, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I was out for the holiday and didn't see this right away. Do you still need help? I'm not seeing anything obvious I can help with at that section link above.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 6, 2015; 14:19 (UTC)

Nope it's OK now, Ezhiki, it has been translated from German instead!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:16, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Favor

Hey! I just saw your note about NOT writing the introduction just yet. Obviously what you say makes perfect sense, but too late...I felt inspired. :) Anyway, as always, I am reluctant to work straight in the Sibelius main page, but I think the introduction I have started in my sandbox is a significant improvement. Although unfinished, and maybe a bit too detailed, I think it includes the kinds of comparisons with other composers (i.e., Mahler, Strauss, Schoenberg) any true Sibelius biography needs. I have settled on these important facts after reading through the ten or so sources I have, including reference works such as Bakers. Please feel free to take a look! Maybe if you sign off on the two paragraphs I have written (there still needs to be a third about his silence and the stuff about the money and holidays in his honor), we can post it in the Sibelius main page. Have you started to regret inviting me yet? Hahaha... :) Cheers! Sgvrfjs (talk) 07:43, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Two new UNESCO SITES

As you may have seen, Denmark got two new UNESCO World Heritage Sitea this year: The Par force hunting landscape in North Zealand and the town of Christiansfeld. Any chance you would be interested in expanding either of them?Ramblersen (talk) 14:37, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Pretty busy at the moment but I'll see what I can do over the next few days.--Ipigott (talk) 14:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I will look forward to follow it but no rush at all if you are busy.Ramblersen (talk) 14:49, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

@Ramblersen: I've put together something on the Par force and also added a stub on Store Dyrehave which was red-linked. I can't find any usable photographs though. Perhaps you can help? I'll try to expand Christiansfeld shortly.--Ipigott (talk) 12:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

July 2015

Hello, I'm 99.53.112.186. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Claudia Cardinale because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.99.53.112.186 (talk) 19:06, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I was very surprised at your revert. The book in question was written in Italian as Io Claudia, Tu Claudia. As it has been used widely as a source for the article and is quoted as Io Claudia in the list of sources, I think it is very strange for you to prefer the French translation. I have also replied on your talk page but have left this here for clarification.--Ipigott (talk) 05:32, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Marie

Hi Ipigott; I wonder if we might have another crack at GA for this, if you have time? I don't want to lose the layout and illustrations though as I think it is quite useful (and lovely) as it is, so you must be prepared for me to get all defensive and stroppy if anybody suggests it. Belle (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2015 (UTC)