User talk:Ritchie333

Keeping an eye on stuff. Meanwhile, here is some music.[1]

ANI Help requested

Could you please give some assistance to this thread on ANI? It's going around and around and going nowhere. Full disclosure, I got your name from the ANI history as you were the last admin to edit. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 14:42 on April 8, 2019 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Kensington (Olympia) station

The article Kensington (Olympia) station you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Kensington (Olympia) station for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Amakuru -- Amakuru (talk) 14:22, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Queen Elizabeth II (painting)

On 12 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Queen Elizabeth II (painting), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in a 2016 portrait, the Queen is depicted with someone else's bust? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Queen Elizabeth II (painting). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Queen Elizabeth II (painting)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

bizarre edits

Hi... I noticed this article has been having bizarre edits. Can you advise...I usually undo but looks messy. Whispyhistory (talk) 14:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@Whispyhistory: I reverted back to your version - people editing without any summaries is unhelpful as you have to a brief forensic examination and guess what they were trying to do. Sitush and Vanamonde93 are more experienced with Indian history than I am, and I think both of them have had serious battle scars from disruptive editors; in particular, the India / Pakistan dispute, and related POV pushing from that, is something I prefer to run full speed away from in the other direction and find some pictures of kittens to look at. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:08, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks..I'll keep them in mind. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:12, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

"Battle scars" is about right...I've been watching that article for a while; it tends to attract that sort of tinkering. On some occasions it's related to tweaking descriptions of his ideology to match perceptions of his supporters (or detractors); sometimes it's seemingly aimless, as in this latest set of edits. I am of the opinion that the page needs indefinite semi-protection, but other admins have disagreed with me at RFPP about that, IIRC, so I haven't done anything further about it. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:20, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @Vanamonde93:...I may look at it in more detail "one day". Whispyhistory (talk) 15:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Dick Smith

Don't be a Dick

This is an odd one that I came across on prod patrol. The article has been around for ages and, on the face of it, the person sounds quite notable. But I'm not finding much in the way of sources so maybe it's a hoax. Anyway, I'm not touching it because it's not really my scene and it has a BLPPROD on it. Please check it out, if you would. Andrew D. (talk) 19:11, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

I've done a quick search for sources and can't find anything, which is bizarre. If this isn't a hoax, I would expect at least one interview with a guitar magazine to come up in a search, but absolutely nothing comes up. I'm tempted to zap it per WP:G3, but to be sure, leave the BLP PROD on. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

... actually, played in the Hampton Grease Band, sideman for Aretha, Muscle Shoals sessions and won three Emmys and there's no sources? Tommy Tedesco he ain't. Deleted per G3. Shout out to Finnusertop for noticing. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

• Ok, but what do you make of this video which I found after posting the above? Is that a hoax too or what? Just curious... Andrew D. (talk) 19:49, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

It's a truly bizarre cut and paste of videos interspersed with shots of Mr Smith, without proving he had anything to do with the claims specified. Google "Richard Smith Emmy" and note the complete and utter absence of any reliable, independent, third party sources. I'll get a second opinion off Iridescent and will happily eat a family-sized helping of humble pie if I've called this incorrectly, but I'm not seeing the evidence. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:56, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I was curious about this and from looking around I think he probably is a real person. I'm tempted to believe the role in Ray (film) is genuine as well as playing with Earth Wind & Fire, and possibly even the backing guitar and albums etc. See [2] (which has wording suspiciously similar to the article) as well as [3][4]. The Emmys thing seems a stretch though, as you say there's no record, unless someone mixed him up with Dick Smith, the makeup artist.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Definitely a real person; the reason you're getting few hits on "Dick Smith" is because he's now going under the name "Richard Alan Smith". Here's his current website. A Google search on "richard alan smith" guitarist brings up assorted videos of him doing his thing. Whether he warrants a bio is another matter, as while there are a fair few local radio spots and the like there doesn't seem to be anything constituting significant coverage. ‑ Iridescent 21:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

So why do I get no independent reliable sources when I search for "Richard Alan Smith EWF"? As you say, there seems to be a real guy who is a guitarist and teacher, but without evidence linking him to the information in that biography, I think it has to remain deleted. It would have done per BLP PROD anyway. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

He's listed on the lineup history on the official EWF website, who presumably know. It looks like he was a long-term session man rather than a full official member, as he's under "Many talented musicians have performed with Earth, Wind & Fire" rather than the main lineup. ‑ Iridescent 21:32, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Iridescent: you've pretty much found the same pages as I found above - I guess that probably is all there is out there. I tried quite hard to prize him out of the Emmys website but without success. Either he's puffing himself up, or someone mixed him up with the makeup guy. Doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG on this evidence anyway.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:37, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

There's more of him here. I've checked the history of all the awards he says he's won, but can't find anything (that doesn't necessarily prove anything if he's working as part of a team composing movie scores, but I'd expect to find something). Since there doesn't seem to be any independent coverage, he doesn't meet GNG regardless. ‑ Iridescent 21:43, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Mr Smith himself, aka User:Monkeyfingers, is the original author of the article - here he is complaining about its first deletion in 2011. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:11, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Check this out, please

Series of reverts: it appears I may have reverted IP 68.96.20.126 and they decided to retaliate by targeting a series of my edits right down the line. I'm fixing the ones that need fixing but please look into this.

diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, diff, diff

Thanks in advance, ^Atsme _Talk 📧 20:40, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

I've dropped them a note. If they kick up a fuss, I'll block 'em. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:55, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thx, Ritchie...^Atsme _Talk 📧 21:10, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

To paraphrase "Up The Junction" ... "I'll block 'em for recklessness, but blocking's not my business" Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:51, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

The IP returned and reverted all the edits in troll-like behavior. I'm to the point that I'm beyond caring anymore. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 03:57, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) New IP blocked, Crayfish semi'd for a week; clearly either an intent to harass, or complete disregard for consensus building. But don't call them a vandal, please, Atsme; there's many types of disruptive editors who are not vandals. It undermines our ability to deal with them, too, because they can now play the victim and complain that they were wrongly accused of vandalism. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:16, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Ok, but please know that I waited until the last few reverts, and ran out of reasons for why I had to revert. By then, it was rather obvious they vandalized the articles and targeted my edits to harass and I have an idea that it was probably the result of my work in NPP or AfC. Thank you for hopefully resolving the issue, Vanamonde. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:03, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh, wait...I just realized there are 2 IPs geolocating to the same area - 68.96.20.126 and 69.63.112.226. Vanamonde93 does your block cover both? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:54, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

It looks like a standard rotating IP for a home service provider, so the previous IP is probably located to someone else, so there's no need to block it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:12, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of MCG Heatlh Page

Could we move the page to a draftspace at the very least so that I can work on improving the page? I believe their system of measuring care is useful to have a page on. Ooooboy1090 (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

While I'm normally amenable to restoring pages to userspace, we have had huge problems with the past with articles on medicine and health related companies. In particular, Wikipedia has a whole set of policies related sources applicable to medicine (because while people shouldn't consult Wikipedia over a doctor, people expect what they read about to be true and reflect mainstream science). I would prefer to get a brief consensus from the various admins who hang out on my talk page first before putting this in userspace. (Does anybody else miss Jytdog?) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:53, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

I know what you mean. What if I did a stub on the fact they produce evidence based clinical guidelines that a lot of health plans rely on. That would seem to help clarify the "not relying on Wikipedia" -- and of course, happy to wait till others weigh in. Ooooboy1090 (talk) 19:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

AeroCóndor

not a valid CSD {{db|1=Hello. I have a problem. I have renamed the article '''AeroCóndor''', which was misnamed, to '''Aerocondor Colombia''' because this is how the company is known worldwide. Now the linking with the other languages ​​does not work. I hope that if the article '''AeroCóndor''' is deleted, the correct link will be possible. Many thanks for the help. Greetings.}}

Some explanation? why not? the problem continues and I do not know what to do! please I need help. Thank you EBAQ (talk) 11:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Reformatted to remove the transcluded deletion nomination and resolved the issue on Wikidata. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:55, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail

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-A lad insane (Channel 2) 14:43, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@A lad insane: (good album, that) Please accept my apologies, I just gone off-wiki shortly before you sent this and then I was out for most of the weekend eating, drinking, being merry and chatting about transport and Fairport Convention with Redrose64 over beer and coffee. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:24, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for cleaning that up, and I hope you had a splendid weekend! -A lad insane (Channel 2) 17:26, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18

Hello Ritchie333,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

• Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
• Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

Reliable Sources for NPP

Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.

Backlog drive coming soon

Look for information on the an upcoming backlog drive in our next newsletter. If you'd like to help plan this drive, join in the discussion on the New Page Patrol talk page.

News

• Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

Discussions of interest

• A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
• There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
• What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like

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Melissa M. Brown

Hi. (If you respond back, can you ping me?) I have done some changes to Draft:Melissa M. Brown (swimmer). The article is a bit better, but looking around, I would be iffy on her notability. It isn't immediately clear to me based on a few Google searches but I am also not as familiar with media in Atlanta so there could be sources I cannot see. Article is not in great shape, but still better. If the original contributor can come in and add more sources, that would also be great. :) --LauraHale (talk) 09:17, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

@LauraHale: Thanks for taking a look. I'm not sure the original author will be back; what tends to happen is that they create a draft, it gets reviewed months later and declined, by which time they've long given up, leading to a G13 deletion further down the line. Aside from NCSA Sports, I didn't recognise the sources, and she seems relatively young and won't have an extensively documented career, such as olympic performances. I didn't have a clue what to do with it, other than I know articles like this are your sort of speciality. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:10, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

The notability issue is what would prevent me from working on it more. It just feels like the only way it would survive a deletion nomination would be if people with an investment in protecting women's sport articles showed up and articles in support of it from the margins of notability. :/ (My writing is horrible in that I tend to write explicitly to show notability on those type of articles on the margins. It makes articles really ugly and I know the style guide doesn't like this but not many other strategies that are as effective as source bombing to show notability.) Anyway, if I was voting on it, it would be to move to userspace as WP:TOOSOON. If you find another article that needs work similar to this, let me know and I can take a look. This one just needs someone who knows who better to make notability more clear. :( --LauraHale (talk) 11:30, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Blanked page nom'd for WP:G12

Hi Ritchie333. I nominated a user's sandbox (User:SomuSaha/sandbox) for speedy deletion as G12 because it contained copyrighted text. The user just blanked the page, but I don't know if that's good enough. Are there rules about how and when copyrighted text needs to be revel'd out of existence? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:33, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

@Drm310: If the user has blanked the page, that means it can be deleted per WP:G7, which addresses that concern automatically. I've done that for you. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:20, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Nan Winton

On 21 May 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Nan Winton, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.

Stephen 23:16, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Sheetala Asthami

You declined the G5 on the article because it has sources and suggested PROD/AFD. There's no mention in WP:G5 of sourcing, and discussing the article is the antithesis of WP:DENY. Is sourcing now a free pass for block evasion? Cabayi (talk) 14:14, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

There is a lively discussion on Iridescent's talk page right now, not to mention a previous thread I started, but the general gist of WP:G5 is that articles creating by block-evading users may be deleted, not must be deleted. Given a quick news search returns many hits on Sheetala Asthami, it seems counter-productive to throw out the work already started. Obviously, if you disagree that the festival is notable, you are within your rights to take the article to PROD or AfD. Regarding WP:DENY, I don't think the article looks like vandalism or trolling. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

As I said, discussing it is the opposite of denying recognition. Thanks for the answer, even if we'll continue to disagree. Cabayi (talk) 14:29, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, I've read enough of the discussion to see that what I see as a bright-line rule others have reasoned arguments to see as more fuzzy. I guess my role in the SPI process is to keep tagging G5s and grow a thicker skin when someone won't uphold the block sees it differently. Cheers, Cabayi (talk) 14:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Sometimes things are a tricky balance - the best thing to do is understand that things are never black and white and what to do depends on the circumstances. It's the core tenet of WP:IAR, after all. I could argue that by letting the article stand, it won't be recreated again and again by a sockfarm under slightly different titles which is more disruptive. For example, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Johngalea24/Archive (although in that example everybody was right to delete the article). In this specific instance, this seems to be a relatively minor incident of somebody trying to create autobiographies, failing to do, then moving onto other things they know about. It sounds more WP:COMPETENCE than genuine disruption, though I know there are people like TonyBallioni who do a lot of subtle behind the scenes work to keep serial sockfarms at bay (which is WP:DENY). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) FWIW, I tend to take a harder line on it than Ritchie, but I understand his point of view. On Indian stuff, depending on the sockmaster there’s an argument to delete because they may be misrepresenting the sources. As an analogy, there’s an Italian neo-fascist LTA who creates articles on all sorts of notable Italian things that falls into my “nuke on sight” category because, well, you have no clue if the offline sources actually say what he says they do, or if he’s misrepresenting them because he thinks Italians are the master race, so who cares about the details? You have a lot of crap like that on the Indian caste socks. All depends on the sockmaster, but I don’t think PROD would hurt in this specific case. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:08, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

The first thing I do when evaluating speedies is a Google News search. I pretty much ignore what's in the article until I've done my own research - after all, if the article contains unsourced speculation, it can be replaced by sourced facts, if it contains puffery, it can be removed, and if it contains copyvios, they can be revdeleted. In this case, it's a fairly small and innocuous stub that has potential expansion, so my gut feeling is somebody (Winged Blades of Godric?) might be able to do something with it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:18, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I think this is a good decline (and I would decline a PROD, too). This is a quasi-major festival of religious significance over here and I am seeing non-trivial coverage in Bengali as well as Hindi sources. An often-quick way in these cases is to check out the referencing over the local-language wikis. The hi.wiki article leads me to this Yahoo news-piece and a government site which describes it as a major festival of a state-capital. ∯WBG^converse 15:50, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Judith Kerr

On 23 May 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Judith Kerr, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.

Ad Orientem (talk) 18:05, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

The Inner Mounting Flame?

"Reviewing the album for JazzTimes in 1998, Bill Milkwowski said: "More ethereal pieces like "The Dance of Maya", with its odd time signatures and arpeggios ... helped to create a kind of mystique about the Mahavishnu Orchestra that was wholly unprecedented for its time." But any idea what they are? Paste suggests that Cobham plays a "bluesy 10/8 drum pattern." But there are at least two in that track (I think): [5] Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

I haven't got a clue, but King Crimson are early pioneers in odd time signatures, such as the two guitars going out of sync and then back in again on Discipline's "Frame by Frame". 10/8 is not particularly odd. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:52, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh well. Yes, I thought that too. And not as odd as the 18/8 of "Birds of Fire", I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

It's been a day for things being not so strong and stable. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Box stalls in a barn or stable should be of sturdy construction and cleaned daily

Ah yes, strong and stable.... for some reason reminds me of Old Ned. Bring on the prancing show ponies.... Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

"Anyone fancy a pint?" ... or maybe two

Request For an EXTREMELY Little-Known Rock Album to Have Creation

Good evening Ritchie333,

Hundreds of years ago, a punk rock ensemble group named Subject to Change consisting of leading vocalist Cree Summer (yes the voice behind Susie Carmichael in Rugrats and Elmyra Duff in Tiny Toon Adventures/Pinky Elmyra and the Brain) bassist Oneida Jones keyboardist Carl Young and guitarist Greg Bell had released an album titled Womb Amnesia. Sadly, this was the only one they had premiered.

Unlike Street Faerie the solo album she premiered 20 summers ago on April 20, 1999 none of the fourteen songs were released as singles. Additionally the full player clocks at 66 plus minutes due to the penultimate track Only Color running at 10 minutes and six seconds long.

Like I said to L239D back in January "Even though it is too little to have its own page it will happen one day." Whatever you do please please PLEASE do not deny this request.

Lights out,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 02:29, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

The article already exists at Subject to Change (band). Maybe Ceoil has got sources to expand it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Manchester meetup - 9 June 2019

This is an invite to/reminder of the Manchester Meetup on 9 June 2019. Starting at about 1pm on Sunday 9 June in the Sir Ralph Abercombie, 35 Bootle Street, Manchester. Full details are on the Meta page at m:Meetup/Manchester/36. It would be useful if you could say whether you're likely to be coming so we have a rough idea of how many to people expect and how large a table to reserve. Thanks, and hope to see you there. Thryduulf (talk) 13:37, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Holly Butcher

Hello, Ritchie333. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Holly Butcher".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 13:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

CASSIOPEIA Looking at my archives, it seems the article was originally created by Carole611 (talk · contribs) as User:Carole611, but I had to delete it as a copyvio; I then rewrote it as a short draft that I hoped would be improved, but it looks like the user has been and gone. Given that the draft had not been submitted for review, cited several sources, and had an opening edit summary of "user request", I think Fastily was a bit hasty on the delete button. It looks like I pinged Megalibrarygirl for help but either she couldn't find any other sources or didn't have time to look at it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie! I did miss that somehow. :P Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:38, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie333. Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with WP:CSD#G13; drafts don't have to be submitted to AfC to qualify for G13 -FASTILY 09:44, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

I know what G13 is, but it does not say "any draft not edited for six months must be nuked from orbit immediately without hesitation". You may be interested in reading this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:51, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Ritchie333 and Fastily. Good day. Hi Ritchie, I do tag "postpone G 13" if I find the article worth saving/potential notable to lead to be an article in mainspace. I tagged your draft page CSD#13 as per the guidelines, if draf not been edited by a human in six months found in draft space, an editor could tag the draft page with CSD#13. I want to make sure I do the right thing, so pls advise if my understanding is incorrect, or if I have missed anything which I am not aware of. Thanks in advance. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

In this specific instance, I felt that there was potential to improve the draft, as a news search gives several hits. Also, in this instance, it was trivial to refund the G13 (even if I wasn't an admin, I am confident I could get it back at WP:REFUND), so ultimately there's no real harm done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:01, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Theresa May

Dear Comrade Threesie, Theresa May thanks you for your kind efforts and wonders if, the next time you are in Maidenhead, you would care to join her in trampling a field of wheat.

On 25 May 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Theresa May, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.

Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:32, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

"Ja Boris, I have ein problem with a tape, I know you are good at getting out of this, how do ja do it?"
"Ummmm, don't really know Seb old boy."

I have missed your sense of humour, Martin. The last time I was in Maidenhead was on a British Rail Class 57 (???) heading for this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I hear that Northern Rail is planning to offload a job lot of their finest rolling stock onto the less fortunate before BoJo leads us all over the Brexit cliff edge from his padded prison cell. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hope Ryden

On 27 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hope Ryden, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that before she became an expert on wild animals, Hope Ryden was an international flight attendant and used her long layovers to observe wildlife in Africa and Asia? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hope Ryden. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Hope Ryden), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Protection Expiry Date.....

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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.....is set a bit too long on article Petr Čech by an admin. Ritchie333 There occured an edit warring on the page of Petr in which the admins were found to be at fault at the very end. It all started when an IP address added a previously supported statement in the article but the other editors couldn't find the citations and this misunderstanding led to a mild edit war. But an admin i think, set the protection expiry date a bit too long i think. It will expire on 23rd August. I will like to request you to please reset the expiry date to 23rd June. I know this is exclusive to your interests but it is an administrative work. Regards 117.234.145.88 (talk) 04:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Have you contacted the protecting admin, RegentsPark about this? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:20, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

You have already tagged him so its now already familiar with him. Lets see how he responds. 2409:4063:2086:A0A:0:0:446:78A5 (talk) 15:43, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not willing to reduce the duration because I see long term disruption on that article. But, if some other admin wants to adjust the duration or remove protection, I have no problem with that. I suggest you take it to WP:RFPP. Best. --regentspark (comment) 13:11, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Never mind. It is actually something foolish to call you for this regents. Because why would you like to revert your own edit. And that was why I didn't contact you. And well, I will like to correct you.... There is no long term disruption on the page other than what those admins did rubbishly without even supporting their statements. But why so friendly here, you know me, I know you. We had a very pleasant interaction some day before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4063:2086:A0A:88F7:BE25:3280:3A93 (talk) 15:48, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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More image warring from Camila Cabello fan

"Really, though, this all seems much ado about nothing"....

"Wikipedia music editors near to agreement on difficult image selection" says close source

Check [6]. User is yet again trying to be the image uploader. Uploading the same image at the non-preferred dimensions of 316x316px. Can you please take action? I want to avoid starting an ANI thread since I don't have a good track record there. (Note: I had originally removed this message but they have repeated this disruptive behaviour again at File:Alejandro Sanz and Camila Cabello - Mi Persona Favorita.png.)—NØ 05:41, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

What action do you want me to take? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:20, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

They seem to have ownership issues with Camila Cabello articles/files. You could post on their talk page to ask them to stop reuploading files without reason and convey that they should upload covers with 300x300 dimensions. They usually revert anyone who posts warnings on their talk page so an admin will probably have a better likelihood of getting through to them. Also optionally, you could revert their bogus reuploads to make this more clear. They all have the wrong size/dimensions anyway.—NØ 12:41, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)There's no such thing as "non-preferred dimensions", so "convey that they should upload covers with 300x300 dimensions" is nonsense. I've seen this kind of silly edit-warring before on album covers. If someone is uploading essentially the same image with a slightly different size just to be seen as "the uploader" then sure - that's disruptive - but this peculiar idea that album covers have a "preferred size" of 300px is bunkum.

The uploaded size of the image can be up to 316px square to comply 'to the letter' with NFC, but even that is not set in stone, and that size is largely irrelevant to the article(s) anyway because the image will be displayed as a thumbnail there, which is usually not full-size. This 300px nonsense seems to stem partially from {{Infobox album}}, or at least that was where the silly edit-warring I came across claimed its justification was from. I've since updated those template docs to reflect reality and try to avoid this kind of nonsense.

The fact that a lot of album covers have been uploaded at 300px and some people have had the mistaken impression that this is therefore some sort of official "preferred size" doesn't make that a real 'thing'. If you want to see the closest thing to "official", by the way, just upload a 500px square album cover and wait a day or two - if it's non-free the bot will reduce it to 315 or 316px; if it's not it won't touch it.

The petty justifications for image edit-warring by some music article editors never cease to astonish me... -- Begoon 13:18, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Even with that logic, H9v9n9's reuploads are not justified. The images they reuploaded were not oversized. They’re doing it solely to be the uploader of all Camila Cabello artworks on Wikipedia. I was blocked from uploading images, for something very similar to what this user is doing, back in 2015. So it’s always puzzling to me when people jump in to defend this obviously disruptive ownership display from this Camila Cabello fan. Keep the same energy.—NØ 14:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

If only I'd said something like "If someone is uploading essentially the same image with a slightly different size just to be seen as "the uploader" then sure - that's disruptive"...oh, wait... I did. I haven't 'defended' anything, just attempted to correct a misconception. You really should not assume that everything is a 'battle' and everyone who doesn't agree with everything you say is an 'opponent' or you'll miss the bits where they are agreeing with you... observation - This is not entirely unrelated to your worry that ANI threads go badly for you - that's the battleground mentality you're showing here - they don't like that there. I don't understand "Keep the same energy." - perhaps it's something the youngsters say? Really, though, this all seems much ado about nothing imo. -- Begoon 15:01, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

As Begoon suggests, this seems to be just an argument between the two of you; if I were to take action, it would have to be fair and therefore would be action against both of you. Since neither of you has gone over WP:3RR, I am not inclined to block anyone; however I would advise you to just drop this stick because otherwise you run the risk of getting blocked yourself. "My edits were right, don't sanction me, this is about them!" is not an excuse. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:55, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

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An automated part of my brain has detected that when I recently travelled on the M25 motorway over the Dartford Crossing to Thurrock services, I wondered why I couldn't have taken the train instead. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:50, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I hear Uber-taxi are still recruiting, if you're thinking of a change of direction? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

What I can't find a reliable source for is why the gents at Thurrock are full of posters advertising solutions to erectile dysfunction? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:49, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I hear that section of the M25 gets totally solid at rush hour. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:55, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Teh deadline

Don't be too sad, there were more problems than the deadline. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

What, like you thanking someone for harassment? Yes, you're right, that's a massive problem. Cassianto^Talk 19:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

(ec) I am sorry you can only see it that way. You lost the good faith glasses, it seems. I saw someone giving you a barnstar, - how should I have known you considered that harassment? - Did you know that I didn't add the unspeakable to an article I didn't improve, thinking of you not being able to protest while you were away. Love's labour's lost? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not falling for the faux, pigeon-English attempt to bewilder me into a non-response, Gerda. You knew what you were doing, you were thanking someone who you knew was harassing me. I suspect you even had something to do with this, off wiki, of course. Cassianto^Talk 19:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

No, I did not know someone was harassing you. No, I had nothing to to with your link. You overestimate my offwiki activities. What I do offwiki is singing, traveling, going to the opera. No, I do not stir shit. Yes, I dislike that you assume I spend any time on that (whatever you mean when you put that in writing). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

How can you "not know"? It's been at ANI (which you watch), my talk page (which you watch) TonyBallioni's talk (which you watch), now Ritchie's talk (which you watch). You must think I've arrived on the last banana boat from Brazil. Cassianto^Talk 19:45, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

If we're talking about The Duke of Nonsense, I don't think he was deliberately trying to harass Cassianto, he just ended up doing so inadvertently because he's a bit naive and wet behind the ears. If we're talking about the IP depositing themselves on Cass' talk page and elsewhere, they are a really nasty piece of work and should be advised not to let the door hit them on the way out. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:42, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I can "not know". Yes, I watch all these pages, but I don't jump every time something changes. ANI espcially. I don't remember if I looked at ANI in all of May, I doubt it pretty much. It's usually not productive to spend time there. I hardly get around writing what I want to, - no time for looks at talk pages pages. This morning I promised to source the compositions by Rolf Riehm, - nothing yet. - I saw only your talk, Cassianto, where a cake arrived, and then the edit I thanked for, and it read sincere to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

If you watchlist ANI, take it off. There is no possible reason you would need to watch every thread on there, unless you were a complete masochist. Anyway, Gerda is here to improve the encyclopedia and it shows with the numerous DYKs that turn up on the main page. I release she does inadvertently irritate people, but - heck - so do I. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

The problem about not watching ANI is that you may miss when a friend is in trouble. - I managed to source the many recordings! So proud, did nothing else between the last post here and now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Cassianto, in simple English: I'd like to see the infobox wars end before I die. What can we do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

"What can we do?" That's easy. Stop caring about whether an article has an infobox or not. The first rule of infoboxes is you do not talk about infoboxes. The second rule of infoboxes is you DO NOT talk about infoboxes. Cullen328 had it exactly right here. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:16, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't care, and I don't talk, --- until I am told that I stir shit. Did I care about an infobox, or talk about it, in this case? No. My unforgivable mistake is that I clicked thank you to a user whom I had never met but whose sentiment felt familiar. - I haven't stirred shit, ever, and I hate the shitty smell. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm reading a book on the Piccadilly line and refreshing my memory that the Spice Girls, at the start of their career, all professed to vote Conservative and called Margaret Thatcher "the first spice girl". I find both of these illuminating in their own ways. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:02, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

You find Maggie Thatcher and the Tories illuminating? Has someone got hold of your log in details? Cassianto^Talk 19:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

No, the "illuminating" bit is people are talking about the Spice Girls again on social media, completely forgetting they're Thatcher-supporting Tories. They seem to keep that bit quiet in interviews these days. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:26, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

It's no secret that in this day and age, it is a cardinal sin to even hint that you're on the right of politics. It's also no secret that the media is run by leftist junkies, nowadays, so presumably it's better for them to keep their mouth shut and earn a few quid before they disappear back to oblivion, which they inevitably will. Cassianto^Talk 19:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Now now Ritchie, don't tar them all with the same brush. I think the "Thatcher was the first Spice Girl" stuff mainly came from Geri. I'm sure at least one of the others (Sporty maybe?) was/is a Labour supporter.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I think we will have to agree to disagree about the media; the best selling newspapers are still The Sun and The Daily Mail and there can be no doubt whatsoever over their political leanings. Melanie C comes from Widnes so is indeed possibly Labour leaning though bits of rural Cheshire are the places you can put a blue rosette on a tub of lard and it will get elected. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:03, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Well, The Daily Mail now has a left-leaning editor, remember, and already I can see that bleeding through into its pages. Granted, The Sun is still very much on the right, but I imagine that'll change in the not-so distant future. The Sun is virtually solitary in its political leanings and is heavily dwarfed by the rest of Fleet Street which is very much a Trump-hating, Brexit-loathing, anti-capitalist, hessian-wearing, fair trade coffee drinking, roasted tofu loving community of news hacks. Cassianto^Talk 20:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

One can dream! El_C 20:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Today's Daily Mail headline - "Putting Boris in the dock isn't just dotty. It's a deeply sinister attack on our freedoms." If defending Boris Johnson isn't right-wing, I don't know what is. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)}

Oi! less of the "tub of lard", if you don't mind, dearie. We'll all fashionable lefty Lib Dems, up here, thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Talking of Tub of Lard and rosettes, albeit red ones, you'll remember the infamous episode of Have I Got News For You when they replaced Roy Hattersley with a tub of lard. I very much used to enjoy that programme and made a point of being in on a Friday night just to watch it. But it's become too political and too much of a mouthpiece for the hard left, which has knocked the comedy out of it. I don't think it's been funny since Angus, unfortunately. Cassianto^Talk 20:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah yes, the Good Old Days... yes, it's enough to make you spit, isn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:38, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I haven't watched HIGNFY with any regularity since Angus was kicked out; the quality of the guest presenters is too variable and when they put Anne Widdecombe in the chairman's seat I think they'd finally jumped the shark. Still, I don't think HIGNFY is particularly fawning over Jeremy Corbyn these days (who is?) and I'm sure I've made the joke before that there's a documentary about Diane Abbott on BBC4? No, BBC3? Hang on, BBC7? No, wait, BBC19! Yes, it's on BBC19! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Good god, chez LBC. That was horrendous. Worse, even, than the grilling of Natalie Bennett a few years ago. Excruciating. And then there was Angela Rayner and class sizes! Cassianto^Talk 21:01, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

This year, it seems, Panto Season has come early. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

If you follow Martin Baxter's "Electoral Calculus" blog, you'll know he recently wrote that if the same proportion of votes for the recent EU elections were repeated in a general election, then the Brexit Party would have 458 seats and Nigel Farage would be prime minister. I find that rather terrifying. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:53, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Well Captain Threesie, it's life... but not as we know it.... MartinSpockBones123 (talk) 21:04, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Green Street, Mayfair

On 30 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Green Street, Mayfair, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Green Street may have been named after a man who fell down a well? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Green Street, Mayfair. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Green Street, Mayfair), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Another nice one. Can I perhaps sometimes ask you for help with hooks? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:09, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

You can, but if you want a good hook, you can't do much better than EEng, from which we had such memorable delights as Template:Did you know nominations/Dr. Young's Ideal Rectal Dilators, Template:Did you know nominations/Vaginal steaming, Template:Did you know nominations/Macadamia nuts controversy, Template:Did you know nominations/A719 road and Template:Did you know nominations/Queen Elizabeth II (painting). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)