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May 24

Television shows by topic

I notice that there are two categories Category:Television series by topic and Category:Television programs by topic. "Television series by topic" is a subcategory of "Television programs by topic". Does anyone know the difference between the two categories? When I clicked to edit the talk page, it said I should ask here since not many people watch category talk pages. I suppose television programs can include documentaries and specials, where television series includes series of episodes, but this isn't really clear. Some of the categories that are in "Television programs by topic" but not "Television series by topic" still include episodic television series. Should the categories be merged or renamed to clarify the difference? Nine hundred ninety-nine (talk) 01:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

• @Nine hundred ninety-nine: The two categories are very different from a purpose point of view. The 'programs by topic' category is a "container category", meaning is should not contain any articles but only categories. The six articles that are included in the category need to be re-classified to sub-categories. The 'series by topic' is specifically related to television series, but the inclusion criteria isn't stated as to whether it would include both intended multi-year series and mini-series or not. Does this help? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Question re interwiki linking

Hi. I am trying to learn about linking to other wikis. I seem to be going a bit in circles. I did find this page: Help:Interwiki linking, I still have some questions though.

• If I want to link to the Spanish-language Wikipedia, I do understand that the prefix to do so is this prefix: [[es:]]. however, I want to find out if there is a list somewhere of the prefixes that would be used for each wikipedia in a different language. could you please tell me if such a list exists?

Please ping me when you reply. thanks.

--Sm8900 (talk) 02:14, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sm8900: See List_of_Wikipedias#List — Meters (talk) 02:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

oh! well, that does seem to answer that question very helpfully. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:25, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sm8900: Note the difference, though, between es: and :es:. The one without the leading colon is invisible on the page and was used to indicate that the current page is the enwiki article about the same subject of the specified eswiki page (e.g. [[es:Cristóbal Colón]] used to be on our enwiki page Christopher Columbus), but is generally deprecated, with that functionality having been migrated to Wikidata.

The latter type, with the leading colon, is used to create a wikilink that points to any page on another wiki (like es:Cristóbal Colón). The template {{Ill}} is used for a creating this second kind of wikilink that points to an article (or a redlink) both on enwiki and articles on other language wikis (see the doc for examples). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:, thanks for that data! that is good to know. I did take a look at the guidelines for {{Interlanguage link}}; I did not know about that template before this. that sounds highly useful.

Re the differences between the links with a leading colon and without, that is highly interesting. I think that sounds comparable to how we use the same format for categories; i.e. the leading colon makes it a link to the category itself, without making any modification to the page where that link is located, while using the link without the leading colon is a way to make a change to the page itself, i.e. to place it in a category. so this is all highly useful, to increasing my own knowledge of this. feel free to add any details, if you wish. thanks!!--Sm8900 (talk) 12:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Sm8900, the same colon trick works for displaying a picture ([[File:Amazingphoto.jpeg]]) versus linking to that picture, or more precisely to the Wikipedia page for, and displaying, that picture ([[:File:Amazingphoto.jpeg]]). -- Hoary (talk) 09:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

hi Hoary. that is very interesting, and good to know. thanks!!! by the way, here is another question, below.

• could anyone please tell me the prefix to use for linking to the "Simple English" Wikipedia? thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 11:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

It's simple:. Meters gave you a link to a list in the first answer to your original question, and a list is also available at meta:List of Wikipedias. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

it's "simple" as in simple:United Kingdom. It's also the same as the first part of the URL for each wiki. {{Ill}} is of a benefit, as it produces a REDLINK, but displays that there is an article on the subject in another language. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

okay, that is very helpful. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 12:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Deceased wikipedians

How does wikipedia know their editor has died? I saw so many pages with candles on it, indicating there are dead. Inactive accounts will automatically mark as dead? Do they contact their families of editors? Ram nareshji (talk) 02:40, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Usually the families or friends contact us. Some are personally known by other editors. Rarely they are well-known enough to appear in traditional news media. Rmhermen (talk) 04:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

WP:DWG may be of interest. bibliomaniac15 04:45, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

question re odd wikimedia site

hi. i just found this site:

• https://en.planet.wikimedia.org/index.html

could you please tell what this is? I've been looking up various resources tonight, and have gotten a bit fatigued from all my efforts, so any digging around to figure out the scope or purpose of this specific site, feels a little too abstruse for me, right now. please ping me when you reply. thanks!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:44, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sm8900: It appears to be a blog aggregation site: "Planet Wikimedia is made from the blogs by Wikimedia contributors. The opinions it contains are those of the contributor. ". RudolfRed (talk) 03:48, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

See meta:Planet Wikimedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

John Proctor

Hello,

I am a historian and I have done extensive research on the Salem Witch Trials, and on John Proctor in particular. I have tried to add vital information to your site several times and it is always removed. John Proctor was objectively the sexiest DILF in all of Salem in 1692. All of the Goodies wanted his goodies. He was bangin and slangin.' His children weren't the only ones calling him "Daddy."

I have attached a reputable source. Please stop deleting my edits. You can't run from the truth, Wikipedia.

- Abby Williams Historian The University of the West Indies at Cave Hill, Barbados

THIS IS A REPUTABLE SOURCE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.29.57.226 (talk) 03:15, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Convenience link: John Proctor (Salem witch trials).   Maproom (talk) 06:04, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

For the reference of other users who might be tempted to take any of the above seriously, see "Abby Williams" and the IP User's link which is, at least, apparently harmless. Thanks to ClueBot NG and HMSLavender for dealing with this at the article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.35.198 (talk) 07:44, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Copyright violation?

A bot has flagged an image I uploaded as a potential copyright violation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Peter_Carey_-_Cambridge_2018.jpg

The Flickr user has it under a Creative Commons license and specifies that it's fine for it to be reused as long as he's credited, which I did so in the image description. Where did I go wrong here? Dr-ziego (talk) 10:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Dr-ziego. The licence on Flicker is by-nc-nd, which prohibits derivative works and commercial purposes. That is not compatible with Wikimedia commons, which requires WP:CC-BY-SA. --ColinFine (talk) 10:48, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll remove it. Out of curiosity, why does Wikipedia not qualify for that license, when it's not commercial and the image isn't modified? Dr-ziego (talk) 03:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dr-ziego: because we want to be the free encyclopedia, and not the kind-of-free-but-not-really encyclopedia. While we ourselves might not modify or commercialize the image, we want our re-users to be able to do anything they like, including that. We use the definition of free cultural works to define what free means. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Gotcha. I have a new appreciation of why so many celebrities have rather unflattering amateur flash photos taken at panels and red carpets as their Wikipedia photo! Dr-ziego (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Dr-ziego, lol, yes, that's exactly it. I often contact subjects who have public emails to see if they'll upload a photo they like. I've had quite a bit of success with the type of person I write about, who are generally C-listers and below. :) —valereee (talk) 12:34, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

• @Dr-ziego: The comments above are good. I will just add that Wikimedia Commons does sometimes modify images, to crop them, blur certain parts of them, form collages, etc. Or other people can make these modifications and Commons can then decide to use the modified images. I don’t know if this happens directly on other projects, but of course, the other projects make extensive use of Commons media. Brianjd (talk) 07:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Gaurav Khanna (badminton)

I was created article Gaurav Khanna (badminton) . As there is already one Gaurav Khanna . How I can rename the article and put a note that for actor redirect to his article. Also help me to increase the content.Sukant Kadam (talk) 10:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sukant9993. You should not Move the existing article without a consensus that there is not a PRIMARYTOPIC: I suggest discussing it on Talk:Gaurav Khanna. In the meantime, you can use a Hatnote on each article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:52, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

I followed the format for inserting an external link,

Link label

but it was flagged as an error. What was wrong?

RECKLESS_RAMBLERS

Kermit Rose — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kermit1941 (talk • contribs) 20:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Kermit1941: You also added a set of empty <ref>...</ref> tags under the link, which was causing the error. I have removed them. GoingBatty (talk) 20:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Looking for a hatnote name template

I'm currently editing an article, Ayyathan Gopalan, where I am beginning to suspect that Ayyathan is the subject's family name. I want to put a hatnote saying "The subject's family name is Ayyathan" and I could have sworn some articles (particularly East Asian ones) had a template that did something similar. I've tried looking for templates like {{lastname}} and {{last name first}} through search to no avail. Anyone know the template that calls for that? (please  mention me on reply) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

It may be worth looking to see whether Category:Hatnote templates for names has anything relevant. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

David Biddulph, thanks for the link. {{Indian name}} seems to be what I'm looking for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Permission to recreate page Anjunadeep

I have read the reasons for the deletion of article "Anjunadeep (failure to mention noteworthiness, relevance, A7, etc.) and I was wondering since the article is locked from creation how I could go around and request permission to create the article carefully (using references to mention relevance and notability) without making the same mistakes that were previously made. By the way, the page was deleted in 2015, five years ago. Chris.alex.gomez (talk) 16:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

If you submit a draft through the AFC process, a reviewer will decide whether it is acceptable and will handle to processes of moving to mainspace if appropriate. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:51, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

David Biddulph, I don't think this is a good idea. Very often, pretty feeble drafts are approved in AfC, and later go to AfD. The article was deleted by Sandstein, who remains an active editor. Chris.alex.gomez, perhaps write on User talk:Sandstein that you propose to create a new draft, and that when you think it's ready, you'll ask for their OK. See what Sandstein says. -- Hoary (talk) 01:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

May 25

Edited article

I’m unable to upload edited article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngcongolob (talk • contribs) 01:26, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ngcongolob: I see you successfully added a reference to the Information access article. Could you please provide more information on what you're unable to do? Thanks! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 01:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Marketing and Market, mark it Round and Round, CfD, Help, CfD, etc

I was redirected to CfD but I've been there. I've been here, and WP:REFUND too.

Somebody entrusted with superpowers did a blatantly wrong rename. As of this moment, Category:Market research companies by country has sixteen subcategory entries, all named Marketing research companies of (name of country: Australia, Brazil, Canada, etc.). Can the help desk bring into the picture someone who is authorized and willing to fix this? A simple RENAME (back to) Marketing Pi314m (talk) 05:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pi314m: You can make a request at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy (WP:CFDS). The C2C criterion would probably apply in this case. As I see it, however, all of the subcats should really be renamed to "Market research companies of ..." in accordance with C2D, as the corresponding Wikipedia article is located at Market research, not Marketing research. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 06:18, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Looking for help cleaning up a table

List_of_common_Chinese_surnames#Surname_list The table seen here has become incredibly bloated, and I'm not even sure where to start reformatting it so it can be more readable. As far as what I had in mind, I believe that the majority of the information in table should either be excised or moved to Wiktionary.--Prisencolin (talk) 09:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Clearly a lot of work went into the creation of this table: this by itself is not sufficient reason for it to be kept as is, but I think it's sufficient reason to argue for any partial deletion on the talk page and wait for responses before executing partial deletion. (You could draw people's attention to your proposal by posting a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China.) Please don't refer to partial deletion as "reformatting". -- Hoary (talk) 09:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Where is a list of templates?

I have spent 5-10 minutes searching WP for a complete list of templates (like for a dead link) and cannot find one. Such a list would be helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David spector (talk • contribs) 13:20, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Template index would be a good place to start Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@David spector: If you go to Template:Dead link and scroll to the bottom, you'll see many more inline cleanup tags. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Apparently, while there exists a general index of templates, there is no list of all templates. Such a list special page can be constructed automatically using WP mechanisms (there are many similar lists that are constructed automatically). May I request that some expert editor please create such a list special page? I'd like to be able to search such a list to find a template to fit a situation quickly, instead of trying to figure out what the headings in the index page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_index) mean. Or should I move this request/suggestion elsewhere? Thanks, David Spector (talk) 17:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Are you looking for Special:AllPages/Template:? (Although there are so many templates it's difficult to look through literally all of them)? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

No, this page fails. It does not even contain the common "dead link" template. David Spector (talk) 17:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@David spector: You can also use Special:Search to search through the templates, if you can guess at a word or two that might be in the template name or the template text. For example, this search lists the 124 templates whose name includes the word "copyright". -- John of Reading (talk) 17:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

No, this search fails to find the "dead link" template. It returns too many search results. Again, what is needed is a special page listing all templates. David Spector (talk) 17:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@David spector: There are around 540,000 pages in the template namespace. That includes subtemplates and documentation but a complete list of templates on a single page would not be practical. A huge page could still only show titles so finding the right template would often be difficult. Special:AllPages/Template: shows 345 at a time in alphabetical order so you may have to click "Next page" more than 1000 times to find a template. {{Dead link}} is eventually there like all other templates but we have too many for that feature to be useful unless you know the start of the name. If you look for a template for a specific purpose then use the normal search box by writing template: in front of the search. Or use the "Search in" box on search pages to select "Template" under "Add namespaces", and remove "Article" if it's selected. Most plausible searches I tried gave {{Dead link}} in the top-3 results, or jumped directly there via the exact name or a redirect. If you are interested in cleanup templates like {{Dead link}} then Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup shows around 450. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The only reason I can think of for the existence of 540,000 pages of templates is that 'templates' includes items other than article decorations like . Okay, in that case, given that it is impossible to create a single page of double-curly-bracket items, how about a hand-curated list of the top (most frequently needed) 50 or so decoration templates of interest to WP editors? An advanced editor could probably create such a list from their memory! There may already exist a perfect location in the WP: namespace for such a page. This would be a very valuable addition to the resources available for WP editors. David Spector (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

There are indeed many other types of templates. Templates are just a convenient way to store something in one place so it can be used in multiple places, often with parameters to specify details of the use. They are like functions in other programming languages. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

David spector, templates are used for lots of purposes on Wikipedia. From your question, I gather you're looking for what are usually referred to as in-line clean-up tags. Have you seen the Template:Inline cleanup tags navigation box, which is also listed at the bottom of the Wikipedia:Template index page? It should contain what you're looking for. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC) PS This is the same box as referred to by GoingBatty above. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Paul 012, Thank you! This is exactly the answer I was hoping for to my original question. The only thing that seems missing from this list are the abbreviations, such as 'dl' for 'dead link'. This list should be sent to all new editors and included in editing tutorials (I never noticed it before); it is so useful! David Spector (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing Assistance to remove "Promotional Language"

Hello,

I would like to ask for assistance with a banner placed on a Wikipedia profile saying the content "reads like a press release or a news article or is largely based on routine coverage or sensationalism." I adjusted this profile over a year ago to abide by all Wikipedia guidelines, including siting all information with reference points and since the information has not largely changed since that time I cannot understand why we are being asking for another edit. The Wikipedia User named 虹易, who is making these requests seems to be hostile and has called for removal of both the English and Chinese profiles for the individual. I would appreciate the assistance of another Wikipedia Administrator to help us amend the profile as needed and remove the banner the user has placed. All information on the profile is verifiable and true and based upon readily available sourced information.

I appreciate any assistance you can provide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gowiki1 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Gowiki1 I would first correct your language in that Wikipedia does not have "profiles". Wikipedia has articles. When you say "us", who is "us"? 331dot (talk) 13:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the language correction. I am unable to detect any information in the article that is promotional, all information is true and valid and can be verified by various information sources. Johnny Hon is a notable figure in business, governmental and philanthropic organizations in both Hong Kong and China as well as the United Kingdom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gowiki1 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Who is "us"? Accounts cannot be shared. 331dot (talk) 15:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gowiki1: Hello! After you created this post at the Help desk, a lot of helpful information was posted on your talk page. After you read that information (and clicking the blue links for additional information), please let us know if you have any questions about Wikipedia's policies. If you have specific questions the Johnny Hon article, the place to discuss them is the article talk page: Talk:Johnny Hon. GoingBatty (talk) 15:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Gowiki1, phrases like Hon is experienced and Hon now has four daughters and one son (emphasis added on the latter) convey respectively promotional and casual tones, which are not suited to be on Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Not us, just me. I would like to try to contribute to the amendment of this article to ease any areas that make it sound promotional. I welcome the assistance of any wiki administrators that can help with this. As I read it, the article states the life, career and areas of work of Johnny Hon and makes reference to the reasons why he is a person of note. The article is supported with various online references to support all statements made within. Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gowiki1 (talk • contribs) 16:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gowiki1:You have given several editors the impression that you have a paid-editor (WP:PAID) relationship of some sort with Johnny Hon, or that the very least that you are an interested party (WP:COI) in some way. If so, you must declare the relationship. If not, then under these circumstances you should declare that no such relationship exists. Please make such a declaration, one way or the other, on your user page or your user talk page before you do any more editing on that article. After we know what the relationship (or lack thereof) is, we can help you improve the article. -Arch dude (talk) 16:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

CREATING A LINK that goes to another spot under the SAME heading

I'm trying to figure out how to create an internal link within an article. I want to be able to click onto a symbol, which takes one to another spot, within the same heading. For instance, see Paul Martin (illustrator). I put an ✲ under the heading "Fisk Tire Boy" (after word "commissioned"), which leads to another ✲ near the end of that heading. I'd like to be able to click onto the first ✲, and for it to lead to the second (which gives further detail). An anchor type link is needed? This seems to be extremely uncommon in WP articles. I realize that going to a ref/notes is the common way, but wanted this exception. Thanks. Jim Percy (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

JimPercy, have you thought about using {{anchor}}? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:29, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I've tried many different things incl. anchor. I'm probably not going to figure it out unless knowing the exact code to use, OR being referenced to another WP article, which does the same thing. (Hence, I could then use that one as a guideline.) Jim Percy (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

JimPercy, what I mean is, have you put {{anchor}} at the second ✲, given it a name like foo, and then linked the first ✲ like so: [[#foo|✲]]? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps I should clarify; {{anchor}} is a template. You can click on the word to see its documentation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@JimPercy: The usual approach to adding a note is to create a reference group. Each reference in the group needs a "group" parameter. All refs without a "group" name are plain old refs. You add an additional "reflist" near the bottom of the article for each group. In your case you only need one named group, and it will initially have only one footnote in it. See WP:REFGROUP. -Arch dude (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I sort of figured that. I couldn't really insert the two lines into the heading section w/o breaking up the continuity, and didn't want to give it a footnote status either. I did insert an anchor template, but I didn't do it right and or it can't be done. Jim Percy (talk) 17:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@JimPercy: Fixed. You didn't use an {{anchor}} template; see my diff here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that seemed to work. It didn't go right to the spot (like was my thinking), but rather goes to the appropriate line in the article. So, that's good. Thanks. Jim Percy (talk) 18:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I make a suggestion for a page?

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opinion_polling_for_the_2020_New_Zealand_general_election&action=edit&section=3

Hi all,

This article has an error in the tables. It fails to include the number of voters who were "Don't know" or "Refused to answer". For the latest 1 News poll this was a massive 16%, so must be shown in the results table.

However, I'm a new Wikipedia user and don't want to mess it up. I also don't have the time to do it. How then, do I leave an action/suggestion in here?

Cheers Geoff — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoffnz1 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Geoffnz1: The place to make a suggestion for the Opinion polling for the 2020 New Zealand general election article is the article's talk page: Talk:Opinion polling for the 2020 New Zealand general election. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:30, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

• Geoffnz1 did go on to post this comment to a talk page – their own talk page! I have already left comments on both talk pages about this. Brianjd (talk) 07:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

My Wikipedia page does not appear on google search when l search it's title(name of the page)

Hey,here is my Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NazzKing .It has been successfully accepted by Wikipedia but the problem is that unless l use the exact Url to acess it on google, l can't find it on google by it's Title "NazzKing".Please somebody help me to solve this so that whenever somebody types "Nazzking" it will appear on top without somebody having to use the exact url. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramsey555 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ramsey555: New Wikipedia articles are not available to Google for indexing until they are reviewed or until 90 days have passed. The article NazzKing has been nominated for deletion, so a review will not be undertaken until after the deletion discussion. -Arch dude (talk) 22:24, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

• @Ramsey555: Also note that even if the article passes review, we have no control over search results in Google or any other search engine. Brianjd (talk) 06:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Regex matching in templates

Is there a relatively simple way on Enwiki to use regular expressions to check input parameters in templates? Or is this only possible using Lua (which seems to have its own thing that isn't really regex)? --Paul_012 (talk) 22:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Paul 012, I believe the WikEd editor gadget has an option for searching by regular expression. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, thanks, but that's not what I'm asking. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Paul 012: What do you mean by "check input parameters"? Are you talking about what Module:Check for unknown parameters does? Or perhaps Module:String? Nardog (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Nardog, when a template is called, I need to check that the value in a parameter consists of a valid text string according to the template. I.e. that the "bar" in {{Foo|1=bar}} meets a specific pattern. This does seem to be something covered by Module:String, but I can't quite make sense of the documentation. Specifically, I need Template:RTGS to check that the input matches the following regular expression:

((([ktp]h?|[dbf])[rlw]?|ch|ng?|[fmyrlwsh])?([i|e|uea|ia|au]|[auo]e?)(ng|[kptnmio])?|\[[^\]]*\]|[^A-z0-9\}\|])

How would one construct this using the module? --Paul_012 (talk) 04:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Paul 012: You can't use Module:String for that purpose, because Lua patterns don't support (...|...), unless you nest calls for the module in ultra-complex conditional expressions. You would need to either write a module for the entire process or split up the string into chunks using Module:String and then pass each chunk to a sub template which would then evaluate it using #switch.

(Side note: \w covers what you seem to be trying to achieve by A-z0-9. If the engine you're relying on doesn't support it, you can still write \u\l\d. And even if the engine supports none of these, you should write A-Za-z instead of A-z because [ \ ] ^ _ ` intervene between Z and a—unless, of course, you meant to include them.) Nardog (talk) 04:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Nardog: Ah, thanks for the explanation. That's way above my level, so I'll probably have to abandon the idea for now. Re: your side note, yes I actually tried \w but MediaWiki's CirrusSearch doesn't seem to support it. Thanks for the tip. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

May 26

Andy Coulson edit was valid. Why was it reverted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.219.199.173 (talk) 04:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Another editor thought it was unconstructive. If you disagree, then discuss it on the talk page of the article, which is at Talk:Andy Coulson. Just looking at it, it was ungrammatical and made a point that is already discussed in the lead section, but I think you can make a case that it belongs in the first sentence. Please assume good faith (WP:AGF) and work collaboratively with the other editor, and you can probably work something out. -Arch dude (talk) 05:38, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

citation does not identify source adequately

What tag should I put on a reference that does not adequately identify the book (presumably) that is cited? Citation needed clearly does not do the job as there is a citation there - just don't know what it refers to.

The example is on Baltimore Clipper, the reference just says "Gardiner 1999", and is used twice. I have identified a possible author, but cannot find any book that he wrote in 1999.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 07:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

It may be worth asking User:Olikigotho, as that was who added the reference. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@ThoughtIdRetired: In the event that you don't get a reply from the editor who addd the reference, or where it isn't clear who added it, you can use {{full citation needed}} for cases like this. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

All black

My late dad Charles Herbert Smith (Herbie ) said he played league for some random place also the photo on his page is not of my Dad. My email address is <redacted> Thanks Winsome Marshall — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.61.68.123 (talk) 08:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

By the looks of it, you're looking at the wrong article. The article about your Dad is Charles Smith (rugby), whereas Charles Smith Jr. is about the rugby league player. Also, if you're getting the information from Google then you'd need to contact them- I don't see a picture of the rugby league player's article. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Updating a page

Hi, I need to update a page but it’s not letting me. What do I do?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_Texas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.51.5 (talk) 10:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello! That page doesn't appear to be locked, so you should be able to edit it? Ed6767 (talk) 10:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

If you are one of both of the IP addresses that yesterday inserted tendentious and unsupported epithets on particular individuals in 2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Texas, please stop it. They were quite rightly reverted. If you are talking about something else, please make it clear what it is that you need to add. (Or better still, make your case on the talk page Talk:2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Texas). --ColinFine (talk) 11:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Copyright of copied passage: Edward Albert's "A History of English Literature"

I notice that a paragraph of Wikipedia's article on Thomas Wyatt (poet) (starting "Wyatt's poems are short but fairly numerous") is copied verbatim from Edward Albert's "A History of English Literature" without attribution. The latter text is freely available on the Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.544236) but I am doubtful whether it is free of copyright. I'm sure we should at least attribute the source, but does the whole paragraph need to be re-written? Mrmedley (talk) 12:38, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

It's by Edward Albert, and revised by J A Stone for publication in 1955. I know nothing offhand about either writer, but it seems unlikely that 70 years have elapsed since Stone's death. -- Hoary (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Hoary, for pointing out my mis-rendering of Albert's name in my heading (now corrected). I hope someone can give further advice about what to do. Mrmedley (talk) 13:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mrmedley: Thomas Wyatt (poet) died a long time ago, so that verbiage may have been in the first edition of the book, in 1923. If we can find the first edition and find that material, we can use it verbatim because it is in the public domain, but we must attribute it to meet our plagiarism guidelines. -Arch dude (talk) 16:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

UPLB Museum of Natural History

This article appears to have just one substantial author: Florante Apellido Cruz (although my contributions might be considered substantial too, they were basically rearranging and reformatting the text; I did not actually write anything).

Florante Apellido Cruz has declared a conflict of interest in relation to this article. The discussions on their talk page, in particular, User talk:Florante Apellido Cruz#Copying material from the museum’s website, show that the user has a poor understanding of copyright, even after warnings. In response to this, the user appears to have given up:

This is too all complicated for me. I would rather request that my simple intention to publish photos which I and my colleagues took as people of the museum be negated. I would be amenable for the editors to all delete all my contributions both in Wikipedia and Wikimedia. If my intended contribution also to Wikipedia will become a waste of everybody's time, I am also amenable to a deletion of that entry

I have made extensive efforts to assist this user, but I won’t continue down that path after my contributions were revdel’d in order to remove this user’s copyvios (I have explained this to them and they seem to understand).

Even though an admin has identified several copyvios, hence the revdel, we should assume there are more, based on these comments:

May I explain? In scientific writing, I was trained that it is okay to copy some text from a source but with citations. That was the process I think I did there. I have copied in a phrase or so, highlighted it, clicked on the citation tool, and put in the necessary details. If the Wikipedia policy does not allow that, then I will go over the text of the article again and again and put revisions. Thank you for the comments.

The article surely can’t stand in its current state. I think the only safe course of action is to rewrite the whole article. The article doesn’t seem to meet the deletion criteria (looks notable: source 1, source 2 + linked from many other articles + could technically be fixed through editing). So what should we do? Brianjd (talk) 13:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

“King Arthur”

I noticed you have my dissertation listed in the bibliography. I later published a thorough, updated, and much better version which I would prefer as a reference. I have also published a book on Arthur’s historicity specifically which might be a useful addition. How can I emend the bibliography of that semi-locked page? I have had this account for some time and have made a few accepted edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallhwch (talk • contribs) 14:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tallhwch. Citing your own works is regarded as a conflict of interest (even though you are just proposing to replace one cited work with another) so the recommended action is to post an edit request on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tallhwch:Thanks for your help. We need all the experts we can get. Sorry about the extra hoops we ask you to jump through when self-citing, but it's part of our attempt to maintain objectivity. In King Arthur, If the existing reference is freely accessible on the web but the newer one is not, please recommend that the new one be added but the old one be retained. Otherwise, if you feel the newer one is in every way a better ref, recommend the replacement. -Arch dude (talk) 16:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Double redirects from subpages used as draft

Hello, I've created some articles using subpages as draft. After moving the articles to the Namespace, the subpages have become double redirects to the main page. How do I correct these subpages? Is there a way to remove these subpages, as they have served their purpose? Thanks. Santoshdts^[TalkToMe] 17:02, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Santoshdts: If you're referring to subpages in your user space, such as User:Santoshdts/National agroforestry policy, you can have them deleted by adding {{Db-u1}} to the top of each page. (You can, of course, elimnate the redirects by simply blaking each page, but I assume that you don't want to reuse these titles for any other purpose.) By the way, your sig needs to include a link to—at least—your user, talk, or contributions page; see WP:SIGLINK. Deor (talk) 18:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Deor: Thanks for helping me out with double redirect and also for pointing out the error in my signature, which I had altered recently. It's been rectified now. Thanks again. Santoshdts^[TalkToMe] 18:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

FWIW, there is a bot that cleans up double redirects (as in an article that redirects to a redirect). You are welcome to delete (with U1)/change/blank or keep the redirect in draft/user space. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Abdelslam elaskary

Article content

Biography Dr. Abdelsalam Elaskary is the founder of the Elaskary & Associates clinic and educational institute located in Alexandria, Egypt, he is  currently a visiting lecturer at University of New York NYU, He authored three text books in the field of dental Implantology and oral Reconstruction , “Reconstructive Aesthetic Implant Surgery” &  “fundamentals of aesthetic implant dentistry”  and  “ Advances in  Esthetic implant dentistry”  all published by john Wiley, Translated in to several  languages,  Added to that a rich contribution to the literature by numerous published  articles in the recognized reputable journals , he is a member of the editorial review board of the international journal of oral implantology

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdelslam elaskary (talk • contribs) 17:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Abdelslam elaskary: Did you have a question aside from posting content about yourself, which is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Someone hijacked the links of my company's article page, and editing it back caused our actual homepage to get added to the global blacklist so we cannot undo the hijacked edit

Basically the subject says everything that happened. The timeline of events:

April 10 - A new Wikipedia user performs their only edit - on our company's page, changing the URL to a domain under their own control (but not the text of the link). This ultimately redirects the user to our homepage, after setting some referral links along the way.

May 22 - We notice the change and revert that edit to the page, resetting the link to our official home page.

May 23 - The user changes the URL on our page back to their hijacked domain.

May 26 - The global spam blacklist is updated with our home page URL.

We are no longer able to revert the edit. How do we proceed from here? Reading through the recurring requests section, it seems like simply asking for it to get removed will be denied, yet at the same time someone is allowed to hijack our URL - this does not seem like what Wikipedia was built for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swbvofficial (talk • contribs) 18:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

It is not easy to help you, unless we know the name of the article. Theroadislong (talk) 18:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not want to link it if that would be considered spam - the article is BeenVerified Swbvofficial (talk) 18:57, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I hadn't come up on this previously, but it looks like you could ask for it to be added at MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Getting listed on Wikipedia

Hello, We manufacture commercial buses in New Paris, In and I am inquiring to see how we get our company listed on the website.

Thank You, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turtle Top Buses (talk • contribs) 19:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC) @Turtle Top Buses: You don't. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a directory. If unrelated editors find your company to be notable by Wikipedia's standards, someone will write an article on the company. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Turtle Top Buses: You could look on WP for related topics to your inquiry and see if your company falls within the guidelines of notability for inclusion: [1], [2], or [3]. These compile as lists manufacturers of buses from articles on WP. Good luck! Maineartists (talk) 19:29, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

How to add an image that wikicommons doesn't recognize?

I recently created a wiki page for the artist Charles E. Gagnon and have an image of him that I want to upload to the page.

It won't let me upload the image, saying that wikicommons doesn't recognize it.

How do I get past this?

Also I have searched for my new wiki page on wikipedia and google and cannot find it. Is there a grace period before it gets truly published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IceIllex (talk • contribs) 19:29, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

IceIllex - you might need to be a bit more specific about your first part - did you take the image of the person? Did you try to upload it to commons?

All new articles are patrolled at WP:NPP before they are indexed on Google. This can take a few days. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:34, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Did you mean User:IceIllex/sandbox? If so, this is a WP:DRAFT and isn't a real article. You'd need to put it to WP:AFC to be put into mainspace. However you will need to show why the subject meets our notability guidelines Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

This is a draft of moderate length that provides no reference for anything that it says. For it to succeed as an article, every assertion must be backed up with evidence from a published, reliable source. Also, the article would have to refer to its subject as "Gagnon", not as "Chuck". -- Hoary (talk) 23:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Trying to adjust a client's wikipedia career page

Hello we are trying to adjust a client's page and get this after trying to update her career section "An automated filter has identified this edit as potentially unconstructive, so it has been disallowed. If this edit is constructive, please report this error. Disruptive editing may result in a block from editing." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avalonlany (talk • contribs) 21:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Please read and digest WP:COI. -- Hoary (talk) 21:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Avalonlany: Please read and comply with WP:PAID. Disclosure of your status is mandatory to comply with the terms of service of this web site. Your paid status prohibits you from editing that article directly, but it is perfectly acceptable for you to suggest changes, which you do on the article's talk page. Pretty much any reasonable, encyclopedic, properly-sourced suggestion will be accepted. -Arch dude (talk) 22:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

May 27

New article about a scientist for the Women in Science project - by a first-time Wikipedia writer-dude

Hi,

I just wrote my very first Wikipedia article about a scientist, and did it in response to this Women in Science project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_dictionary/Biographical_Dictionary_of_Women_in_Science

My draft which I just submitted for review is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mildred_Hoge_Richards

I had a couple questions. 1. I confirmed that Mildred Hoge Richards, who my article is about, was missing a Wikipedia article in the first link. If/when my article is approved, how do I connect my article to the people doing the WiR project? 2. How do I get feedback on my article before the 5 weeks it takes for approval - I am sure I am not doing things exactly right and would appreciate slightly quicker feedback/help on my article before it gets turned down a month+ from now.

Many thanks!!

First-time-Wiki-Dude — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohiram (talk • contribs) 00:01, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

To answer part of your question 2, you're unlikely to have to wait 5 weeks. One thing which you can do while you are waiting is to read the WP:Manual of Style. One specific problem which you can correct while you're waiting is the punctuation of references, see WP:REFPUNC. Another point is that you can't use Wikipedia as a reference, see WP:CIRCULAR, so you probably want to change that from a reference to a wikilink. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ohiram: Presuming the draft becomes an article, the Mildred Hoge Richards link at Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Biographical Dictionary of Women in Science will automatically change from red to blue. I also added {{WIR}} to Draft talk:Mildred Hoge Richards, so it will always be connected to the Women in Red project. I also added a Notes section for you. Happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 01:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ohiram: Welcome and thanks. You might try to attract an interested reviewer and/or ask for suggestions by posting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red. -Arch dude (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

It's an interesting article. Well done. Another little point, though: Don't call her "Mildred" (other perhaps than when describing her as a child, in the context of family life). She's "Hoge" (or, where appropriate, "Hoge Richards"). The result may seem repetitive, but such are the rules hereabouts. -- Hoary (talk) 06:43, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

As I suspected, the review didn't take long, was accepted, and the article is now live. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:41, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all for your inputs and help - there was a lot of editing but it made it look and read much better. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohiram (talk • contribs) 11:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Mudança da foto principal

Não estou sabendo trocar a foto principal. Vocês podem me ajudar? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joaosant (talk • contribs) 05:09, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

The "foto principal" of what? -- Hoary (talk) 06:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipedia. If you are looking for the Portuguese Wikipedia you'll find it at pt:. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:45, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Joaosant the helpdesk for Portugese language Wikipedia appears to be at pt:Wikipédia:Tire suas dúvidas. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:15, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Website

How Can I create a new website? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musa Willie (talk • contribs) 05:09, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

If you're asking about a new article within Wikipedia, please see Help:Your first article; if you're actually asking about a new website, then this requires a hosting service (among much else), and Wikipedia isn't a hosting service. -- Hoary (talk) 06:37, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

• If you are actually asking about a new website, try the computing reference desk instead. Brianjd (talk) 06:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

How to find an expert willing to / already in charge of reviewing quality of articles in a specific expertise domain?

Hello I had the idea that some real-life experts had specific roles in reviewing content quality of wikipedia articles in their domain (wether it is mycology or greek tragedians etc.). Is it true, and if yes is it self-appointed? And more importantly, how can we find them and how to contact them? I am asking the question because I'd like to find someone motivated to collaborate in improving quality of wikipedia pages related to greek antiquity / classical culture (which is the basis of European and US cultures even if it seems disappear quickly). Thanks Shehekan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shehekan (talk • contribs) 09:34, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

• @Shehekan: You can try to find a suitable WikiProject, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Culture, or form your own. Brianjd (talk) 11:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Whoops, apparently that project is inactive! Brianjd (talk) 11:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Shehekan: you may also want to try Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece, Wikipedia:WikiProject European history, or Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome. Another option you may want to try is WP:Peer review, which is a way to receive feedback from other editors about an article. An article may be nominated by any editor, and will appear on the list of all peer reviews. Other editors can comment on the review. Peer review may be used to establish an article's suitability as a good article nomination or featured article candidate. Peer review is a useful place to centralise reviews from many editors (for example, from those associated with a WikiProject). New Wikipedians are welcome. Seagull123 Φ 12:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Current time in IST

Is there any template which displays current time in my timezone: IST? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 13:50, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

The most obvious is usually the best... try {{time}}. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:46, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Mouse over images incorrect

The {{Private spaceflight}} box seems to have some problems which I can't work out. Pegasus (rocket) and Antares (rocket) for example both have the same mouse over image that is pulled from the {{Private spaceflight}} box rather than their own primary images. --High Tinker (talk) 14:28, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Part of the issue might be because Pegasus (rocket) is a redirect to Northrop Grumman Pegasus, that might solve a few issues. I also did a purge of the template, which can fix these issues sometimes. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:45, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@High Tinker: There is no error, just a poor automatic choice. The image in the default hover feaure ("Page previews" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering) is chosen automatically by mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice. It only picks images from the lead. Wide and tall images are rejected which may affect those infoboxes. {{Private spaceflight}} is displayed below the infobox but the code is in the lead so the image is eligible. We usually don't care much unless the image is directly harmful. Don't change infobox images just for the purpose of affecting this. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: ok thanks, I suppose rockets would naturally be vulnerable to the wide/tall filtering, good to know the reason --High Tinker (talk) 14:59, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Translating articles into English

Hi, I'm looking to translate from Japanese to English and have been to the 'articles that need translation' page and they appear to all be done already? There must be articles that need translating, but I've been round and round with little luck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grammargopher (talk • contribs) 15:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Grammargopher: our main guide is at WP:Translation. It points to, among other things, a tool that is a preformatted Wikidata search: tools.wmflabs.org/not-in-the-other-language The tool (apparently) operates by looking at Wikidata article items that have an article in your source language, no article in your target language and and article in at least one other language. If you are brave, you can learn how to customize the search further, but you can also just use it and then pick articles that catch your interest -Arch dude (talk) 15:48, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Leaf Peeper advertising link

I put a link to a website that I run to help people the world over (average 250,000 views per year) and it was probably with good reason taken out but you have the foliage network in there that serves a similar purpose. I've been on CBS Sunday Morning, the BBC and PBS, being interviewed for helping people explore New England... I would ask that this be looked at again.