User talk:Flyer22 Frozen

I RETIRED IN THE MULTIVERSE

This user left Wikipedia in an alternate universe...

For who I am, or was: Past introduction page and past user page. Includes information on my block log; this is important because not all blocks are justified, and, if you can't take the time to read and comprehend a person's block log, including the clear edit summaries that are there, you shouldn't be commenting on it. More commentary on my blog log is here (with input from an administrator included) and here (yes, the drama is drama-tastic).

Editing Wikipedia for many years can make a person grumpy, especially if that person edits a lot of contentious topics. I became grumpy like many other Wikipedians; for how that happened, see this section and this discussion. To be less grumpy, and resemble the optimistic, better-tempered editor I used to be, I've changed some ways that I edit these days. I was even "reborn". More power to those who have remained relatively the same despite the hostile environment that is Wikipedia.

I have views on disruptive editors and the administrators who protect the project from them. I also acknowledge a lack respect for those who don't. Examples include me usually being right about WP:Sockpuppetry matters.

I can recognize that a person is not a WP:Newbie, even though I likely will not press the person on it unless necessary.

My views on the WP:Neutral policy are commonly clear since so many editors interpret it wrongly.

I support the WP:Child protection policy, which concerns pedophiles, child sexual abusers, etc. editing Wikipedia; for my views on the matter, see this section, and this discussion.

For awards and gifts I've received, ranging from helping with popular culture, sexuality and anatomy topics, to writing and improving articles, to cooperation aspects, to protecting Wikipedia from disruptive editors, to other matters: User:Flyer22 Reborn/Awards and gifts. Two "I hate you" type of awards are also included, since I saw no reason to only include the positives.

If you leave a message here, I will usually reply here instead of at your talk page.

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Keep up the good work! Jim1138 (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Manual of Style/Images

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I don't get what your discussion is talking about. --Steverci (talk) 02:09, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Steverci, regarding this, I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with you; I was simply pointing you to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images#"Articles about ethnic groups or similarly large human populations should not be illustrated by a gallery of images of group members" because how the guideline should be applied is being discussed and reevaluated there. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:43, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Editing

Could you please refrain from changing my edits they are all factually correct Brownkidneys (talk) 21:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) What edits are those, exactly? You do not appear to have performed any edits on Wikipedia using this account prior to your having vandalized this Talk page. General Ization ^Talk 21:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Going by this and this, it's clear that Brownkidneys meant the edits to the Derek Martin article. Brownkidneys is now indefinitely blocked anyway. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:11, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding RfC

I have a request for the RfC section of Campus sexual assault. Rather than three sections, one for "Don't use in-text attribution", one for "Use in-text attribution", and one for "Provide additional information", I propose we remove the "Don't use..." subsection. Not only is this confusing by requiring the commentators to comment twice, one possibly resulting in a double-negative, but also supporting "Provide additional information" and opposing "Don't use..." can be contradictory. I am not opposed to not using in-text attribution, I am only in favor of using it. Since I would be happy with alternatives to in-text attribution (as mentioned) I am not opposed to the negative, if that makes sense, Can we please change this to a standard, single-question format "Should we use in-text attribution for this statement...?" or something along those lines. Then the comments are clear: support, opposed, or other. Scoundr3l (talk) 00:21, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think the current format is fine. Editors commonly vote more than once in RfCs, including in this other recent RfC. The current format for the aforementioned RfC at the Campus sexual assault article addresses all the points, and it has one section for proposals and one section for further (general) commentary; it will make it easier for the closer to assess than having one or more jumbled sections; I state that after having taken the time to watch a lot of RfCs. Can you just let the RfC play out instead of debate this as well? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I would have granted your wish to remove "Don't use in-text attribution," but Kaldari already voted there. I would remove "Use in-text attribution," but leaving the "Don't" heading without the "Use" heading seems biased to me, like I'm presenting "Don't" as the main or sole option, even though people can obviously add "oppose" there and there are the other sections. So, at this, point, it's best to just let editors vote once or twice if they want. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:36, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I maybe should have added a "Use or don't use in-text attribution" heading instead of the individual "Don't" and "Use" ones; this way, editors can simply state "Use" or "Don't use." I could still do that, if Kaldari doesn't mind changing her "Support" vote to "Don't use." But still...some would argue that the separate sections are cleaner. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:45, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not my intention to start another debate. I didn't think it was a contentious request. The current formatting is very unusual in my opinion. Generally it's either yay or nay, not yay to the pro, nay to the con. At least in the US, ballots are also framed in the affirmative, i.e "Should we do this?" not "Should we not do this?". Plus my position has never been opposed to -not- using in-text attribution (see how tricky the double-negative is?) I intended to inform Kaldari that we may change format, but got pulled away earlier. If we can't reach them to re-comment, I see no reason we can't consider that opposed. Scoundr3l (talk) 05:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is my opinion the RfC !voting space was indeed very poorly organised. Having to support and oppose several points in the same RfC is indeed very impractical, which is why I only !voted once. I won't attribute any blame; what's done is done; but let this be a lesson for future RfC syntax and structure. We want to make the process as simple as possible, not convolute discussions into the absurd. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 19:34, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

FoCuSandLeArN (FoCuS), there was no obligation to vote more than once, just like there is no obligation to vote more than once in a RfC made up of Support and Oppose headings, which is a common RfC setup. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:48, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Extra note about this is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

hey you

you are a jackass for taking my edit back. Howard Stern created the features of iowa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.31.88.88 (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think he did, but I appreciate the jackass compliment. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

LMAO! Sorry Flyer if I step off the reservation a bit. I know WP:NOTSOCIAL

Wlmg (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I could use a hand

I think I might need a character witness. RGloucester started a thread complaining about Dicklyon and myself over at AE. It was promptly hijacked by SMcCandlish with a long screed of accusations, half-truths and non-truths. I could use someone to put in a word for me. None of the admins will answer any of my questions or requests for specifics. If you're not comfortable with this, I get it. If you go over there and say you agree with what SmC has to say, I get it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:11, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Darkfrog24, since I have a good history with you and a decent history with SMcCandlish (though SMcCandlish and I have exchanged heated words with each other before), that is putting me in a difficult situation. I'd rather hang on to my good or decent Wikipedia relationships. But I'll assess the matter and try to weigh in. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Probably best if you don't get involved, then. Like I said, I get it. I don't want to put you in between two people with whom you get along. I just wish I could get the admins to talk to me. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:23, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That particular threesome has given me fits at times as well, and this is quite a typical pattern. Don't let them WP:BAIT you into blowing up at them, try to stay focused on content. SMc sometimes settles down, given time. Montanabw^(talk) 22:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good words, those. Clarification requested, though, @Montanabw:, are you including me in the threesome or talking about someone else? I'm collecting constructive criticism on my conduct. (I must ask you not to initiate discussion of the issue from which I am banned, though.) Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, you were on the wrong side of the other three, they tend to run in a pack, though I don't know if they actually coordinate or just have overlapping interests. I'll WP:AGF that they just have overlapping interests, but see WP:TAGTEAM. That said, you are where you are now because you bit on the bait and dug in on a no-win situation. Which sucks for you and I wish I'd seen this post sooner. My only advice is that I've decided long ago to choose my battles, not go into the big ones (and all MOS-related topics are big ones) without backup and allies (but we can't WP:CANVASS -- which really means "learn how to alert people without breaking the rules" -- meh). Avoid the dreaded topic totally and on other things, develop a sense of when to walk away and how far... on some things I just bide my time until conditions are right for change, but on other things (and the MOS is often one of them), I know I probably will never win and so I just sigh and drop the stick (but still keep the topic on my watchlist). I've dug in and fought where it was not just a matter of style but also of functionality across wiki (infoboxes, navboxes), but even there the victories are incomplete. My motto is "You Can't Always Get What You Want - but if you try sometimes you just might get what you need." ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 02:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information. I'd definitely agree with most of what you're saying about picking battles, but from my perspective I was already doing that. I guess the admins think I wasn't doing it enough (and I hate to guess).

As for canvassing, I specifically asked whether I was allowed to call witnesses at the general AN noticeboard. I got shut down with no answer one way or another, so I hazarded a guess. I hate to guess. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Supercouples listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of Supercouples. Since you had some involvement with the List of Supercouples redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 21:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A new season is upon us

Hello F. I hope that you are well and that your 2016 is off to a good start. The third season of Black Sails is two days away and I hope that you are looking forward to it as much as I am. Do you think they will ever show us the meeting between Long John Silver and his parrot - a real groaner of a joke I know but I couldn't resist. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 23:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RfC note ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard regarding your note on Campus Sexual Assault RfC. The discussion is about the topic Incidents. Thank you. Scoundr3l (talk) 22:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC) Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Talk:Campus_sexual_assault_RfC Scoundr3l (talk) 22:35, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Insects-vegetarianism

I already left a message in the talk section. Im waiting for your explanation on why it doesnt make sense. Melissa fire brasileirinhas681 (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

FB

Flyer, may I have your facebook ID address to communicate for? Sharif uddin (talk) 05:33, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sharif uddin, no. I'd have to trust the Wikipedia editor a lot before I revealed my real-life identity to that editor. There are very few I trust with such information. And given the sensitive topics I edit and the stalkers I have (a number of which are sick individuals), it is vital that I am only known as "Flyer," "Flyer22" or "Flyer22 Reborn" on Wikipedia. Any Facebook identity I provide to a Wikipedia editor I do not trust as much as that would not be my true Facebook identity. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment

howdy. i created the article above today, and thought it might interest you... Jytdog (talk) 05:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation on a proposal

You're invited to discuss a proposal on here regarding film production section issues. BattleshipMan (talk) 16:19, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Heads up on an edit I made to the Fellatio article.

I tried to introduce "both" into the bits concerning it being pleasurable for participants. Using "participants" is a great way to keep it gender/sexual identity neutral, but adding both caps that off by being clearly role-neutral.

I also de-gendered the part about it potentially leading to orgasm. If you read that part with two anatomically male participants in mind, it became meaningless. If you read it as someone who has a penis and does not identify as male it became offensive.

~~Let me know if you think I did a reasonable job. If I screwed it up real bad, I'd appreciate hearing that as well.~~

~~Thanks a bunch,~~

Jasphetamine (talk) 21:49, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you are an editor I and others had suspicions about: User talk:Flyer22 Reborn/Archive 20#My inappropriate !vote. Whatever your background with Wikipedia, I won't dwell on that anymore. The edit you made to the Fellatio article is fine (mostly), but the "and may lead to orgasm and ejaculation of semen for males" was simply stating fact. Notice that it stated "may," not "will." It was not excluding trans men or genderqueer (non-binary) people. Furthermore, if a genderqueer person has a penis, ejaculation is still an aspect of the penis; that will not go away because of how that person identifies. In the case that the "for males" part may offend a trans woman who has not undergone genital reconstructive surgery, the wording was not a WP:Offensive material violation. None of the wording you changed was a WP:Offensive material violation. The "for males" part was there because rarely does fellatio lead to orgasm for the person performing fellatio. People usually need physical sexual stimulation of the penis or clitoris to orgasm. So I will go ahead and change the "may lead to orgasm" part to "may lead to orgasm for the receptive partner." Also keep in mind that while I do keep transgender people and non-binary people in mind for some edits I make here at Wikipedia, and I was clear about this at Talk:Fellatio, I am also clear (was clear in that discussion) that Wikipedia should go by what the sources state with WP:Due weight. The vast majority of people do not identify as genderqueer or non-binary. On a side note: "both participants" instead of "participants" might offend those who insist that we shouldn't indicate sexual activity as necessarily being a two-partner thing; yes, I've encountered those type of editors as well (the ones who emphasize the possibility of threesomes or other forms of group sex). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:08, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) "Heads up" about fellatio... rofl! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 23:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to respectfully strike from the record my seeking your counsel. Jasphetamine (talk) 15:10, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jasphetamine, I don't know why you felt the need to strike through, but, in the future, it would be better for you take such a matter to the article talk page than to an editor's talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting Edits/Dummy accusations

Hello there sir or madam. Please do not reference my page to other accounts or make blatantly false accusations. I started this account over a year ago after abuse of a specific authors page was left unchecked. I rarely comment or make occasional changes on wikipedia. Someone blanked the man's page close to a month ago citing a similar policy with no protests. If this is not the case then the other has been left alone due to lack of interest or your favoritism to one page over the other. But both must be equal in that respect if policy has changed. Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jobes38 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jobes38 (talk · contribs), so if I report you as a sock of Stuke2 (talk · contribs) in a WP:Sockpuppet investigation, and a WP:CheckUser is ran on both of your accounts, the report will come back negative for you two being the same person? Your edit histories show otherwise. Stuke2, you want to comment here at my talk page about this too? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:23, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there Flyer22 Reborn (talk · contribs), it seems that you've stumbled on an old inactive account of mine. I am not even sure the name is registered anymore, but I think I know a colleague who is using it as a practical joke to counter my work. I am not sure if it can be deleted permanently or not or password changed. Just ignore them at this time, their pulling your leg. I know exactly who to contact in this case. Hopefully there were no frivolous interruptions. Also, I did note later today that the "Man's" article had their group pic deleted and a discussion seems to be ongoing on their talk page. I went ahead and placed it back up until a decision can be made for all pages as it seems like the standard practice after reading the discussion pages brought to my attention by PeterTheFourth (talk · contribs) on the matter. Let me know if thats the case or if it indeed needs to be taken down anyway, (seems like it was for almost a month). Again thanks for the notice my friend!! Take care :) Stuke2 (talk) 00:29, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stuke2, the Jobes38 is not inactive anymore, as you know, and I cannot buy your excuse since you've attributed that account to being "a colleague who is using it as a practical joke to counter [your] work." I will report this matter in a WP:Sockpuppet investigation if someone does not beat me to it first, or if a WP:CheckUser watching my talk page doesn't go ahead and run the check. But on the slim chance that you are telling the truth, see WP:Compromised. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jobes38. clpo13_(talk) 01:05, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thats unfortunate you feel that way. But you do what you think is necessary. Beyond changing the password and leaving such account theres nothing else that I can do. Unless deletion is possible. It seems that others have used such an account to play games on similar articles which was started in response to an edit war on an article of Michael Reagan (by a user that was banned). Thats all I can say. Farewell.Stuke2 (talk) 02:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for noticing the Undue Weight in the Wikipedia article about Yisroel Belsky. I hope you succeed in fixing it. Defender583 (talk) 00:42, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A proxy with disruptive edits

Hi Flyer. 81.100.25.101 (talk · contribs) deleted multiple-sourced content from Gutian people by using "false edit summaries" to fool editors. The contents of sources obviously CONTRADICT with the edit summary of the ip. It is clear that the ip is not here to contribute. Can you warn him/her? (I do not know whether you are an admin or not) Regards...176.219.133.136 (talk) 15:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As it seems you know, I've repeatedly made it clear to that editor (on his talk page) that I do not trust him. You should gather evidence of his disruptive edits and report him at WP:ANI. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have reported him on WP:AIV. Thank you, Flyer. 176.219.129.115 (talk) 19:22, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Documenting BlueUndigoiFucker stalker

Made this section to document this latest stalker of mine here at my talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:18, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Latest account (that I know of) was BlueUndigo10Fucker (talk · contribs). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:21, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BlueUndigo12FuckerFlye (talk · contribs). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:15, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, look at all those accounts. clpo13_(talk) 20:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The stalking is strong in that one. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BlueUndigoiFucker1Flyer22 (talk · contribs). Sure this section may be giving him the attention he craves, but he'll be stopped every time anyway. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:15, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BlueUndigoi7FuckerFlyer22 (talk · contribs). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:52, 12 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BlueUndigoiFucker20 (talk · contribs). I also considered that one of my other stalkers has probably found this funny and has impersonated BlueUndigoi at some point. I've had a stalker impersonate another before. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:22, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Flyer22 Reborn - In case you are not aware of his original identity, this is the guy [1].

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 21:39, 25 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How to set "preferences" for "signature"?

Hi, there: You suggested that I change my signature so that it is linked to my "talk page". But I have no idea how to do it. Could you tell how I can set it on my "preferences" page? Thank you. --Roland (talk) 06:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) - Hey there @Roland Longbow:! A step-by-step is:

Click on [Preferences], it's at the top of all Wiki pages while you are logged in.
Once in your "Preferences", scroll down to the "Signatures" section.
Copy-and-paste the following text into the text box in the "Signatures" section; Roland and make sure that the "Treat the above as Wikimarkup" is not clicked/on (no tick in box)
Save the change
Come back here and say; {{u|Drcrazy102}}, you are a friggin' genius, here's my bank account details in gratitude: [insert bank account details including pin, mother's maiden name, first pet, etc.]

If that somehow fails to work, then you have larger problems to cope with and should just ask at WP:Village pump (technical). They'll probably have some back-door-esque access to your settings and could change it for you. Anyway; Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 05:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It seems it works now. --Roland (talk) 06:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dang, I was hoping for them deets.

No worries then, just remember to sign talkpage posts and comments, but not article edits. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 06:47, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Will Horton

Given your extensive work throughout Wikipedia, and throughout articles related to soap operas, I figured you'd want to be pointed out to a problem happening at Will's page, and its talk page. One user has made mass-changes to the Will article that both myself and Jester66 (talk · contribs) have reverted back to its original edits; the user has insisted on edit-warring these issues, and has ignored their talk page discussion to continue these edits. I've made a report for their violation of the three-revert rule but, I don't know if anything will be done about it. Figured you'd be a nice match for this discussion and problem. livelikemusic talk! 15:37, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the WP:DRN regarding a previous discussion about this same topic in recent times and your input and discussion would be appreciated. Please remember to focus on content, not contributors. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The thread is "Talk:African Americans".The discussion is about the topic Talk:African Americans. Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you!

Yeah, yeah, don't template the regulars and all that. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 00:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doctor Crazy, the current big dispute regarding this is at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images#"Articles about ethnic groups or similarly large human populations should not be illustrated by a gallery of images of group members". A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:28, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am not notifying that many editors; that is way above my "pay"-grade. I'll ask some of the other Volunteers about this then. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 01:42, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A Question about Ravi (rapper)'s page

Hello, I was wondering why the section of his early life was removed? Alicia leo86 (talk) 11:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Alicia leo86. I briefly explained after reverting this IP: WP:BLP concerns. Read that policy for what I mean. Having unsourced career information gets more leeway than unsourced early life and personal life information. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thank you @Flyer22 Reborn:. I wasn't quite sure. Alicia leo86 (talk) 07:59, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The power & control dynamic in child abuse

I did power and control in abusive relationships covering the power and control dynamic in various abusive contexts but can see nothing relevant to this in child abuse, child sexual abuse or child grooming. This seems like a major oversight.--Penbat (talk) 13:38, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Replied. And I know that I have to fix up the Child grooming article, since apparently no one else is going to do it. I need to add sources to that article before someone else starts cutting relevant material there. And I'm currently involved in an RfC at the Child abuse article: Talk:Child abuse#RfC: Should the lead sentence use a broader definition of child abuse?. WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:14, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A page you started (Lexa (The 100)) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Lexa (The 100), Flyer22 Reborn!

Wikipedia editor Garagepunk66 just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

I enjoyed your article about Lexa (the 100). You obviously put a lot of time into it. You may wish to adds some sources in the season two section. However, otherwise it looks very good.

To reply, leave a comment on Garagepunk66's talk page.

Learn more about page curation. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Garagepunk66, thanks for reviewing the article; I'm glad you enjoyed reading it and that you appreciate the work I put into it. I wrote it partly because I like the character and partly because it's been a long time since I created a Wikipedia article and I wanted to see how that felt again (to be the old Flyer22 but improved when it comes to knowledge of article writing on Wikipedia and its rules). I reverted the tags you added, because, like I stated, the article's format is in line with MOS:TV. And, per MOS:PLOT, plot sections usually do not need inline citations. For a recent discussion about whether or not to use inline citations for plot sections, see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 178#Plot and secondary sources. Some editors would, but I'm usually not such an editor. I did note, however, when adding that plot section that it needs work and that I copied it from List of The 100 episodes. I don't care how much of that section is cut; what is there now is a little much for a recurring character. So maybe Popcornduff would be willing to cut the plot section? If so, feel free to cut away Popcornduff (if you don't mind being spoiled on the show).

On a side note: Garagepunk66, I signed your above post. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm flattered to be asked! :) But unfortunately as I know nothing about this show, I don't think I'm in a position to assess what's worth keeping and what's worth cutting. Definitely looks way too long though. Popcornduff (talk) 07:24, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, c'omn, Popcornduff, as seen at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 178#Plot and secondary sources, you managed with not remembering much about the Metal Gear Solid plot. I believe in you. You can do it. But, seriously, thanks for considering it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The MGS plot summary, overlong as it was, served as enough of a reminder for me refamilarise myself with the story... but in this case I'd be totally in the dark. Sorry! Popcornduff (talk) 07:59, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

One suggestion: you could make each paragraph about each episode a subsection, using the episode titles as subheaders. That would help fight the "wall of text" appearance and make it more readable. Having worked as a technical writer and interface designer, I can tell you from experience that there's tons of evidence that breaking up long sections into paragraphs with clear headings makes readers much happier, and much more likely to actually read your page. Popcornduff (talk) 08:01, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding not cutting the plot section, that's okay. You should give the show a try, though. It might at first seem like another teen show, but it quickly turns into so much more than that. Reviewers are right that it's an underrated show. Furthermore, Clarke Griffin (the main character) is now 18 or 19, and so are the other teenagers. So it's more of an adult show. I'm glad I binge-wacthed it sometime last year. Like David Griffin of ScreenRant stated, "With all the talk of comic book franchises lately, perhaps The 100’s lack of superheroes is somehow detracting from what has become one of the more entertaining shows currently running on television. So, why haven’t you given this show a try?" He's also right that "the first couple of episodes of the series are its weakest."

As for headers in the section, you mean pseudo-headings (WP:BADHEAD)? If you mean actual headings, that would be a lot of headings for that relatively small section, and I generally dislike headings for a little bit of content. That many headings in a plot section also puts the section more at risk with getting tagged with Template:Plot. I could easily break up what's there into shorter paragraphs, though. In two cases there, I stuck two episode summaries together to save room. I could also use Template:TOC limit if we really want to add a lot of subheadings to that section. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I broke up the two aforementioned paragraphs. I'm expecting people to edit that plot section significantly since that's the main thing our readers pay attention to, or rather edit, when they visit our articles on fictional topics. With them filling in stuff, I was planning to cut the excess fat that way. But I might go to cutting it before that point. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I cut a lot with this edit, and tweaked matters, after actually reading all of that. What I left in is mostly needed for context. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:25, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I meant real headings (H3s in this case I guess?). IMO here they're totally justified because you have quite a large amount of text per episode, and it makes the page much more digestible. But this isn't a page I'm invested in so feel free to ignore that suggestion ;) Popcornduff (talk) 09:35, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What's there now are decent-sized paragraphs (on my laptop screen, which I admit is a bit wide), with maybe the exception of the "Long Into an Abyss" paragraph. Some are smaller than others. To me, a section is not needed for each of those paragraphs. The two subheadings for the seasons seem like enough. I think most readers, if they want to read the plot section, can get through the season 2 section without feeling like it's "too long; didn't read." And, of course, the season 3 section is just one small paragraph. I'll see what more I can cut, but I think I cut just about all I can validly cut from that section, significantly-wise anyway. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:45, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note to self (spoiler-ish for others who click on the following links): So much controversy surrounds this character now, as indicated by this, this and this, and numerous other edits made to the article since I created it. I will eventually add information to the article on that; hopefully, sooner than later. But at the moment, my fingers are sore. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:47, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That third edit is a WP:BLP violation, and should probably be WP:Revision deleted. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:55, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sock advice

Just out of curiosity, since you've dealt with many socks, what additional advice could you offer in regards to SPIs and tracking down sockpuppetry? I am not new to this, but want to gain some more experience. Thanks, GAB^Hello! 18:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Other than what is stated at User talk:Flyer22 Reborn/Past user page#WP:Sockpuppet watch, there's not much more. Like I noted there, I keep some details to myself. I also haven't been pursuing socks as much these days; it's usually not so much a pursue matter anyway. It's rather I notice them, and then decide if I want to expose them. If they have been a good editor for a couple of years (or more), for example, attempting to expose them can be an uphill battle, since they will have likely accumulated acquaintances or friends on Wikipedia who respect them and will view implying or otherwise indicating that they are a sock as a lack of good faith, or even as bullying. In the most recent case seen above on my talk page (#Reverting Edits/Dummy accusations), that editor was socking to game the system; so I exposed him, with a brutal tactic: Naming him as a sock in the edit history for everyone to see. As predicted, he came to me, and further exposed himself. You can also look at WP:Signs of sock puppetry for more information as well, if you haven't looked at that yet. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:29, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Objectum-sexuality

I've made the changes to the Object sexuality article (changing "fetish" to "orientation" and removing the link to paraphilias as a related topic) because OS is not a fetish, which would be something purely sexual that is used purely for sexual stimulation. Objectum-sexuals feel genuine romantic and sexual attraction to objects that they treat as partners and care for as far more than just a sex toy. There are even those who are strictly romantically attracted to objects, and so it would be absurd to call it a fetish. Beyond that, connecting it to paraphilias suggests that it is one, and thus that it is disordered, which is not the case. The following sources back up my decision to change it to "orientation" and why I think it's insulting to continue to insist on it being called a fetish.

^[1] ^[2] ^[3]

108.50.39.113 (talk) 07:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You (and others, or you under different IPs) keep getting reverted at that article because calling object sexuality a sexual orientation is very WP:Fringe; surely you saw the rationales when you were being reverted. Object sexuality is indeed a sexual fetish, and a paraphilia. The sources you cited above are also poor. Review WP:Reliable sources and WP:MEDRS. In the future, you should take matters like these to the article talk page, not to one or more users' talk page, especially when more than one editor has reverted the disputed content. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:43, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, not all sexual fetishes and paraphilias are classified as mental disorders; read the aforementioned articles and check their medical sources (if you can) for what I mean. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:04, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: MOS:PLOT

Hi, I disagree that I added more plot detail than necessary, most of the changes are for subjects in sentences not being specific enough. I made new changes to the original version with pared down detail but also delete some duplicated descriptors. --Will74205 (talk) 13:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at your talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:47, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Some rice for you!

I am glad food Jadenvideotube (talk) 00:11, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

MJ

I do not believe that "Actress Elena Satine has campaigned for the role of Mary Jane in The Amazing Spider-Man before the producers choose Gwen Stacy instead of MJ" is relevant to this article as it seems that the character was never in any official media related to the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.182.100 (talk) 19:28, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kanye West

Thanks for your edits. I have restored the David Bowie line which was removed by another editor. It seems quite significant to me that he paid such high tribute to Bowie as an inspiration for his musical and genre-defying experimentation. Rodericksilly (talk) 01:25, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kanye is a publicity hound. I doubt his interest was particularly sincere. Montanabw^(talk) 09:09, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your support on this page, Flyer22. Just to let you know, I've moved the line you restored to a more appropriate place so that it follows on from "West's musical career has been defined by frequent stylistic shifts, and has seen him develop and explore a variety of different musical approaches and genres throughout his work". It seems pretty clear that is where the Bowie influence on West specifically is, as both artists' careers share that in common. Best wishes. Rodericksilly (talk) 03:45, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rodericksilly, I saw, but I felt that the text fits better where I placed it because it was beside his other influences, and GentleCollapse16 somehow felt that the Bowie aspect was being prioritized, including in this case. For whatever reason, it seems that GentleCollapse16 doesn't want Bowie mentioned as an inspiration or influence at all, despite West stating that Bowie is one of his "most important inspirations." Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:53, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From what West said, it appears that Bowie is a more general influence on his approach to music than a specific influence on a particular album or track, in contrast to, for example, RZA's sampling influence mentioned in the same section. So if we're going to mention Bowie, it seemed more appropriate to me to follow the line "West's musical career has been defined by frequent stylistic shifts, and has seen him develop and explore a variety of different musical approaches and genres throughout his work". I've also added "among West's stated influences", so hopefully people won't misinterpret as before that anyone is saying Bowie is "THE INFLUENCE", which was never my intention. Rodericksilly (talk) 04:06, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, my objection was to Bowie being so prominently namedropped at the beginning of a discussion of Kanye's musical style without any specifics regarding Bowie's actual influence on his work—why not also mention Steve Jobs, Walt Disney, Stanley Kubrick or any other artists Kanye routinely invokes? The fact remains that Kanye has named many artists as profound influences (A Tribe Called Quest, Puff Daddy, Pete Rock etc) which also aren't cited here, and dropping Bowie seemed like a lame attempt to pull a "look, this rapper was influenced by a revered white rock star! " when it wasn't particularly relevant. The inclusion in the Legacy section that Rodericksilly mentioned sounds good to me, but I still think it's just gratuitous (and condescending) to mention Bowie in the musical style section regarding the simple fact of West's creative restlessness. Apart from West's recent tweet, there's not much of a specific or especially noteworthy connection between the two. GentleCollapse16 (talk) 04:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"and dropping Bowie seemed like a lame attempt to pull a "look, this rapper was influenced by a revered white rock star! " "What a strange assumption to make that race has anything to do with it whatsoever? Blimey! Rodericksilly (talk) 04:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As if black artists haven't consistently been patronized and condescended to via validating comparisons with more "tasteful" white artists...? (and I love Bowie too, don't get me wrong). And as if rap and black music hasn't always had to fight to be considered as artful and singular as more revered white musics? GentleCollapse16 (talk) 04:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, WTF has color got to do with it? I think I know what your issue is now and you're choosing to interpret it how you like to because it's suits your "issues". Color has fuck all to do with it and YOU'VE brought that into the conversation. It's a shame, because you've now shown you can't be regarded as an unbiased editor. Rodericksilly (talk) 04:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is your issue? That I'm bothered by your apparent need to immediately validate and contextualize West's work with reference to a more "respectable" white artist who otherwise has no explicit, oft-discussed, or noteworthy tie to his work? And your "Color has fuck all to do with it and YOU'VE brought that into the conversation"—hahaha oh dear, I'm sorry to break it to you pal, but race and a dimension of racial bias is intrinsic to every aesthetic perception and value judgement you, as a human who lives in society, make, and it's normally just ignorant, self-satisfied white people who can afford pretend it doesn't affect their actions—you may simply like David Bowie, but there's a reason, for example, that you're so keen and excited to include him but not other artists like James Brown, A Tribe Called Quest, etc. who West has called great inspirations but who don't fit your OWN conservative preferences for what counts as a significant influence on West's work. The simple fact of West's stylistic changes isn't something that's only shared by Bowie, and your emphasis of that only reinforces your ignorance to all his other influences.

The fact is, West's work, and our discussion of his work, should be able to stand alone from any of your preferred comparisons unless there's an explicit reason to call upon them (i.e. RZA's sampling style was a direct influence on West's, etc). Race is already a dimension of cultural interpretation, and you're certainly not a special exception to the case. GentleCollapse16 (talk) 05:22, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't seen sources for the other artists, I HAVE seen a source for David Bowie. That's why I added it and for no other reason. I honestly couldn't give a shit what color David Bowie was, what color Kanye West is, what color James Brown was, what color Marvin Gaye was .... the list goes on. But YOU OBVIOUSLY DO CARE. If the color of music artists is an issue for you, that's your choice, but please don't judge everyone else by your standards because some of us are just interested in music. Thanks. Rodericksilly (talk) 05:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You really don't get it, do you—I don't give a FUCK about an artist's skin color, but I'm also acutely aware of the way white artists are repeatedly used by apparently "objective" sources like yourself as a kind of measuring stick for what's "normal" or "brilliant" while other artists are left by the wayside. Your "I haven't seen sources for the other artists" isn't at all an excuse. You're still engaging in the disproportionate privileging of a white rock artist over others who evidently don't strike as being as significant to seek out. If you're not going to objectively include all of West's influences, your engaging in POV editing and that has no place here.

More than anything, I find it incredibly hard to believe you could genuinely love and understand all the music you just listed without paying attention to how they all play with issues of race. Bowie was famous in the 1970s for flirting with black music styles while perverting them with his alienating white detachment, and explicitly calling attention to those racial dynamics—look up how he defined his "plastic soul" sound, you might be surprised by how much Bowie "brought race into it". West's entire career has been concerned with how race and perception affect ones status in a society. And the list goes on. There's no such thing as "just music" except in your own oblivious head. Objectivity is about giving everyone a voice. GentleCollapse16 (talk) 05:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Again, color is quite clearly a big issue for you. That's fine but don't make assumptions about other people because your accusations really are the definition of the POV you're ironically attributing to me. And what precisely is stopping you from adding mentions of all these other important and non-white influences on West's career to even out the color imbalance you perceive? Rodericksilly (talk) 05:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Quiet simply, the fact that Bowie doesn't have any business in that section in the first place. What assumptions? I'm concerned with the unnecessary inclusion of an artist in a section that doesn't warrant his inclusion, and I'm extending that concern with the caveat that this inclusion also reinforces a biased mainstream aesthetic narrative that privileges certain artists over others. Your ignorance or obliviousness is not an excuse for your complicity in that, period. Stop with the condescending "color is quite clearly a big issue for you" garbage—color, like gender, sexual preference, physical appearance, and other tenants of discrimination should be of concern to anyone who is conscious of the society they live in. GentleCollapse16 (talk) 05:57, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The only person who brought anything condescending into this conversation in the first place was you when you brought up color in the first place, which nobody else was talking about. Why don't you make a positive contribution to the West article by adding some artists who influenced his career to counter the "biased mainstream aesthetic narrative" you perceive (you know some big words, don't you??? I prefer plain English myself). I would have no objection to that, regardless of what color they may be. As for "garbage", I haven't heard so much garbage from a Wikipedia editor in a very, very long time, frankly. You can hardly claim to be unbiased in your approach to this editing process from what you've said so far, your words have been loaded with bias and an apparent agenda. Rodericksilly (talk) 06:05, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GentleCollapse16 and Rodericksilly, I moved the Bowie content to the end of the first paragraph of the Early career and influences section. Can you both be fine with that? I obviously feel that Bowie should be mentioned in that section since it notes people who inspired West, and West specifically called Bowie one of his "most important inspirations." Whether or not he was being sincere is not for us to decide. I don't see that it needs to come first in that section, ahead of his other inspirations, so I agree with GentleCollapse16 on that part. And I don't think it belongs in the Impact and legacy section; so I disagree that it should be re-added there. No matter what, WP:Edit warring on this needs to stop. The next step is a WP:RfC if we can't compromise on this. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:14, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response, Flyer22. If you feel the passage is better suited there, I can fully see your reasoning and I'm quite happy to go along with that. Thanks again. Rodericksilly (talk) 14:24, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re: the removal of:

Jon Caramanica of The New York Times said that West has been "the rare artist respected as both a pop musician and experimenter, renowned as much for his creative endeavors as for his tabloid exploits" and asserted that "he has remade hip-hop’s sonic palette three, maybe four times. His musical legacy is peerless."^[1]

from the Legacy section; it seems to me it's saying more balanced version of what the Caramanica quote I replaced it with was:

Jon Caramanic of The New York Times said that West has been "a frequent lightning rod for controversy, a bombastic figure who can count rankling two presidents among his achievements, along with being a reliably dyspeptic presence at award shows (when he attends them)."^[2]

In both cases Caramanica notes West's controversial persona outside music, but my replacement balances that with his musical reputation, which also seems to be the focus of a lot of the following sources—the dialectic between West's two poles, the musical acclaim and the controversial persona. I just thought it was more balanced and to topic than the original. Do you have any particular reason for disagreeing? GentleCollapse16 (talk) 23:19, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GentleCollapse16, I reverted you on that change because that paragraph is big enough as it is (what you added is a little longer), the paragraph gushes about West enough, what you added seems redundant to what is already in the section, and the first Caramanic quote specifically comments on his controversial persona, which is a big part of his legacy. I don't think "his tabloid exploits" clearly relays "controversial persona." That the Caramanic quote is the only quote in the section to directly note that West is controversial and clearly tie that to his impact is why I've reverted you on the inclusion of it twice. I've reverted you on the position of the AllMusic piece twice as well because I think it is the best quote to begin the section with. I wouldn't hugely object if you added the other Caramanic quote in the quote box in place of the quote that's already in the quote box, or as an addition to that quote, but I don't think it's needed; I think it's overkill. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

^ Caramanica, Jon. "The Agony and the Ecstasy of Kanye West." New York Times. 10 April 2015.
^ Cite error: The named reference NewYorkTimes was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

February 2016

Hello, I'm 2602:306:3357:BA0:383E:3FA3:2868:37E5. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Frequency has been undone because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. 2602:306:3357:BA0:383E:3FA3:2868:37E5 (talk) 22:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, my mistake. I read it as you committing vandalism. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Good faith edit"

I will never understand why people call stuff like that "good faith". Bishonen | talk 21:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Bishonen, there was a time when I would have been quick to revert that as vandalism. These days, I am more likely to assume that maybe the editor heard it somewhere, including by the subject himself, was joking because they honestly don't know how Wikipedia is supposed to work, or something else. I glanced at the edit quickly and wanted it gone, and I did not want to analyze it any further than that. I usually revert vandalism or other disruptive edits as vandalism or disruption; other times I might not. And I'm stating that as someone who despises how much the WP:Good faith guideline is used without reason. Goodness knows it's my enemy in sockpuppet cases where I know what I'm talking about and sometimes have to put up with the "assume good faith" people. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Compare Wikipedia:Don't link to WP:AGF, a little thing of my own. Bishonen | talk 22:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC).[reply]

(talk page stalker)Bish, I love that essay! Montanabw^(talk) 07:56, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox?

Hello, you have undone my edit on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_National_Party naming it vandalistic and/or futile, yet I believe this operation was only based on personal opinion. The edit was not vandalistic and it was not futile.

It was made because the rendering of the Māori name was not precise, since it refered to any kind of National Party [[2]], and this is not that article. The name in English is "New Zealand National Party" which is translated into Māori as "Rōpū Nāhinara o Aotearoa", because it is not a National Party, but the National Party of New Zealand, as you may easily check also on the Māori version of the same page: [[3]]. I will remake the edit now, hoping my explanation was clear.

Lastly, I do not need to experiment on the sandbox, as you kindly suggested in your message, all I need on this site is a precise encyclopedia.

- Best Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.45.230.192 (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Big Ang

How is updating the site to show she has passed not constructive? http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/entertainment/obit-big-ang-angela-raiola-dies/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.66.175 (talk) 21:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I initially reverted you because I thought you were messing up a URL. I've partially reverted you because of WP:TVLEAD. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

About the edit you undid in Wikipedia:Manual of style/Words to watch

I noticed you undid some edits on the following page without explicit reasoning, so now I'll tell you why I made a few changes to that page. One, value-laden just redirects to loaded language. Two, {{Peacock inline}} redirects to {{Peacock term}}. And three, {{Loaded term}} is a brand-new addition to the wiki (admittedly one I submitted to Articles for creation; although apparently {{Loaded}}, thanks to a backlog, is still pending submission). HeatIsCool (talk) 20:24, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

HeatIsCool, regarding this, I'd already re-added "Peacock term" in place of "Peacock inline." As for value-laden redirecting to loaded language, there is no reason to bypass the redirect; see WP:NOTBROKEN. I don't care much that you bypassed the redirect, though. And lastly, I do not see why your "loaded term" template needs to be there. Exactly why is that template needed? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilinks are not sources

…per WP:VERIFY, etc. Per the policies, it is never sufficient for non-common-knowledge information to only be sourced via Wikilink.

Though this is rampant at WP, including via presentation of images that contain intellectual content (such as fully labeled anatomical images), it is not acceptable here, or anywhere.

Even more critically, the source that this draws from does not cite sources, and is this: { http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/altsex/penis.html }.

Part of the point is to make clear that sourcing images from websites not affiliated with any reputable institution is not a good practice. AT LEAST, the material needs to be checked, and the source against which it is checked needs to be provided. Please do no support non-encyclopedic practices, in this case, even if they are rampant, and we could get by not doing so. Images are content. When content crosses the line from being an illustrative image, to communicating content, its content must also be verifiable. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:26, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Leprof 7272, nowhere did I state that wikilinks are sources. I am not a newbie, after all. I did, however, make it clear at the article's talk page that this tagging by you is nonsensical. Since you apparently want a WP:RfC on the matter, so be it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please support me on not removing the article tags. I do not know who CFCF is, but if the tags come off, you are on your own in improving the article (note all the books fixed today). I will not work with people who elevate prettification over substance. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The images that were made to reappear (Egyptian fertility god and a piece of German artwork) are (i) not discussed in the text, and (ii) are only identifiable on a "just trust us" basis, or via Wikilink. Regardless of what the basis is for the identification, I would ask these two images be returned to ANGLEBRACKET!-- images --> status until they are discussed and their relationship and importance made clear via source. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
More broadly, in the sourcing of content in figures and their legends. I understand I am in the minority in this. You again will determine if we swim with the current, or we can go with my proposed improvement (even if not in the mainstream). By having tags, I invite others more knowledgable and with greater time, to make clear that the images belong, and what they mean. Without a tag, the images are, as I argue above and at the article, WP:OR, especially in the selfie-case, but also in the case where ethe editor chose a third-rate web-page, cited above, as his illustrated anatomical content. If we must disagree on this, so be it, I will not fight you (because as you say, it is votes that count, whether in Republican primaries, or to maintain common non-scholarly practices at WP). Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:58, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Supercouples

I've gone through the primetime list and added quotes and updated references to the ones that are staying. I moved the borderline or weakly supported cases to the talk page. Of these, only the "I Didn't Do It" was contested with some decent reason. Could you check if I might have missed any? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:14, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AngusWOOF, I'm fine with the cleanup you've been doing at that article. I will still be there to revert problematic edits. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:50, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors!

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The Cure Award

In 2015 you were one of the top 300 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs, and we would love to collaborate further.

Thanks again :) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 03:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and puberty articles

Hello, Flyer22. Thank you very much, you are very kind. You're right, I'm editing in Spanish wiki.

I have not much time and there is much work to do, but I'll watch what you say. Which sections of the articles you mention have not reviewed yet?

Best regards. --BallenaBlanca (talk) 12:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BallenaBlanca, you're welcome. Thanks for being one of this site's more promising editors. As for what I noted on your talk page about Puberty and Precocious puberty articles, they need thorough work; it's not a matter of what part of them hasn't been reviewed yet. You might also be interested in assisting Barbara (WVS) and I at the Vaginoplasty article. As you can see from this (followup edit here and here), we are currently working out two different matters there. And, yes, there is no need for you to rush in helping with any article. There is obviously no obligation for you to work on these articles. I simply felt that you might be interested in the Puberty and Precocious puberty articles since you are working on the Delayed puberty article.

On a side note: I altered the heading of this section by adding "and puberty articles" so that it is clearer as to what the section is about and is easier to locate once archived. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

STiki misuse

Hi. Just to let you know, you made an erroneous reversion at God Hates Us All with STiki, which I have reverted. Please be careful. "George Jizzguzzler" was clearly vandalism. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 15:24, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DannyMusicEditor, as seen here and here, a vandal IP had messed up the article minutes before a constructive IP fixed the matter. I focused on the wrong IP. Sorry about that. I am careful with STiki, but I am going to make the occasional mistake with it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:53, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, no problem. I've never done that before, so I guess I couldn't feel where you were coming from. dannymusiceditor ^{what'd I do now?} 02:11, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sexism edits

I dont know who you think you are, maybe a paragon of the protection of human sexuality or something, but the fact remains that sexism means discrimination based on somebody's sex. It doesn't matter if you think that women are discriminated against more than men are, because sexism, as a word, refers to all discrimination based on sex. So you can scurry back to your precious mods or admins and demand that I be blocked from editing, whatever you want. But in the end, just know that you are perpetrating a lie on the community by refusing to admit the actual definition of a word. For your benefit, I have included the definition from Merriam-Webster: "Distinction and especially unjust distinction based on gender and made against one person or group in favor of another". As I am sure you know, sexism was created as a parallel of racism, whose definition follows as well: "racial prejudice or discrimination", which only furthers my point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Necron681 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Necron681. Lovely day, isn't it? Regarding this, the fact remains that sexism affects girls and women far more than it affects boys and men, and the literature is clear about that. This has been thoroughly discussed on the article's talk page, as seen at Talk:Sexism/Archive 7#Is sexism typically defined as discrimination against women? and at Talk:Sexism/Archive 13. The fact remains that you should not be WP:Edit warring over this content. If you have a case, make it at the article talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter who it may or may not affect more, only what it is. You trying to put your own spin on it is unacceptable when these articles are supposed to be impartial statements of facts. And if you want to talk about victims of sexism, how about we talk about how women win the majority of child custody cases, men are expected to be tough and are bullied relentlessly when they are not, male suicides far outnumber female suicides, men are expected to be physical laborers in dangerous fields but are not expected to be paid more for said dangerous labor, and males are injured 1.5 times more than women on the job as well. Your "literature" is cherry-picked, just like I have done above. Points are real easy to make when you exclude the opposing side's argument. Now if you want to have a mature argument that takes a look at both sides' reasonable arguments, let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Necron681 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hey again, Necron681. It's not "my literature." That sexism affects females to a much greater degree than males is prevalent in the literature on sexism, as I'm sure you know. This is a WP:Due weight matter; read the WP:Due weight policy for what I mean. Even though, being female, I have experienced much sexism in my life, far more than my brothers have ever experienced, I am basing my comments on this matter on what the literature relays. There is no cherry-picking in this case, since the "sexism is primarily directed at girls and women" aspect is prevalent in the literature. It's why the Sexism article has so much more to state about women than about men. The lead is meant to summarize this aspect, per WP:Lead. Again, you should discuss your issues with the lead relaying that "sexism affects girls and women the most" on the article's talk page, where other editors can readily weigh in on the dispute. It's currently being discussed there (again) now. I have nothing more to state you in this section on my talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I am not disputing the fact that women are often subject to sexism. I am attempting to show the definition of sexism, which the people who keep editing the page refuse to accept. Sexism is not discrimination against women. Sexism is discrimination based on sex, regardless of the sex of the victim. However, the reason that sexism against men is less prevalent in literature is because men who complain about such issues are ridiculed and told to "man up" or "be a man" and stop complaining about their grievances, no matter how justified. I am quite irritated that people refuse to look at both sides of an argument and realize that it does go both ways. Know that in no way am I trying to ignore or cover up the effects of sexism on women. I am just trying to make it clear that it also affects men and is represented less due to social taboos on men complaining about such issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Necron681 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Last comment: When sexism is defined, it is usually defined as affecting women more; this is not just the case of dictionary sources either, as is clearly seen at Talk:Sexism/Archive 7#Is sexism typically defined as discrimination against women?. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:36, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making personally disparaging remarks and accusations toward other editors, Necron681. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 04:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that edit summaries are not for taunting other editors or making similar personal remarks, as in this change to the article Sexism. See WP:ESDONTS at Wikipedia:Civility. —Coconutporkpie (talk) 04:28, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Coconutporkpie, that was a warning. And I stand by it. If you feel I acted inappropriately, you can report it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good faith edits again

That wasn't a good faith edit, it was a fake quote repeatedly inserted in the article. Bishonen | talk 21:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC).[reply]

And, at about the moment you replied here on my talk page about it, I was on my way to note that the edit was vandalism in the edit history with a WP:Dummy edit. I commonly (but not always) double back to look at reverts I've made. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:44, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was taken aback when I checked the source. People ascribe all sorts of stuff to sources, but an actual quote? Expanding a quote which was properly there, yet. Unusual. Maybe I should have blocked. Bishonen | talk 21:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC).[reply]

I would have blocked. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:55, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I keep thinking maybe they have some explanation, some kind of innocent mistake, even though I doubt it. Bishonen | talk 22:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Adding access-date parameter to book citations

Please note that adding the access-date or accessdate parameter to citations using the {{cite book}} template, for example in this revision and this revision to the article Child abuse, adds unnecessary clutter to the citation window. Template:Cite book states that this parameter is Not required for linked documents that do not change. For example, access-date is not required for links to copies of published research papers accessed via DOI or a published book, but should be used for links to news articles on commercial websites.

— Coconutporkpie (talk) 03:47, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Coconutporkpie, like various other editors, I use accessdates for book sources...just like I add URLs or quotes for book sources; it's my style, and I do not intend on changing it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker). Hi Flyer22 Reborn and Coconutporkpie. I agree with the Flyer on this one. If a cite book template contains a URL I absolutely include an accessdate too. The cite book template example above provided by a Diff does include a URL so for sure I would include an accessdate too. I used to include accessdates for all book cites but I have backed down. For one thing, if you include an accessdate and the cite does not already include a URL, then there will be a big red error code in the references section stating "reference error: accessdate= requires url= (see: help)". Books are not subject to WP:Link rot, but URLs to books are, and so books with URLs need accessdates too. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 07:27, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at

Cantino Planisphere. I have some sympathy for the editor but they somehow don't seem to understand what their edits are saying. Doug Weller talk 05:55, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Weller, sorry that I am just now getting back to you on this. I got distracted by the section immediately above this one and the #Sexism edits section before that, and I've been busy with work (real-life work), and Wikipedia when I can. How do you need me to help with that article or the editor in question? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:56, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Presuming you see the same problems I do, I thought someone else trying to explain the issues to this evidently good faith editor might help. thanks Doug Weller talk 20:51, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see that it's the same editor I talked to at Talk:Pansexuality. I didn't know that until a few moments ago. So that's how you showed up to the Pansexuality article to make that revert. That editor has ceased reverting you for now and appears reasonable. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:13, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

For some reason I am sending you a kitten to thank you for kindly monitoring (but not deleting or getting angry about) our work on the fake orgasm page. We appreciate it!

Phoebemarplehorvat (talk) 14:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Transexual kittens

I learned a lot from your commentary here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gender_dysphoria#Male-to-female

Thanks for taking the time to dictate such extensive philosophy.

Memtgs (talk | contribs) @ 20:45, 5-03-2016 UTC 20:45, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not my doing, but you're at AN3

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

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Malformed complain re Hebephilia I cleaned it up a bit. Boomerang, anyone? Meters (talk) 23:01, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Kristet Utseende change.

I changed transvestite to tranny since the Swedish word is transa in the song title which is a deregatory slang for transvestite in the same way as tranny is in English while the proper Swedish term is transvestit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.230.6.245 (talk) 12:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Elaine Edwards page

Mr. Flyer22 Reborn,

You recently changed an edit I did to Elaine Edwards page. I am a personal friend of Mrs. Edwards. I was showing her what your website said about her. She saw that you had that she was Catholic. She replied she is not Catholic, but a Christian. I asked her if she would like me to change it. Can you please change it back? Jadame7 (talk) 14:39, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jadame7, per the WP:Verifiability policy, I should not. Neither should you. Your word is not a WP:Reliable source. We need a WP:Reliable source confirming that matter. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 14:48, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations from STiki!

The Gold STiki Barnstar of Merit

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We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (developer) and Ugog Nizdast (talk) 12:34, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spoilers

What you consider to be "unnecessary spoiling" is not considered to be spoiling by many editors. As explained by {{u|Masem]] at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler, Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and "spoilers" are plot elements that support encyclopaedic coverage. By all means, draft a change to WP:SPOILER, as you claim to be doing,[4][5] but don't preempt the outcome of the proposal by removing what you consider to be spoilers from articles, as you did at List of The 100 characters. At best it's inappropriate, as WP:SPOILER has had wide support for a long time. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AussieLegend, what I consider to be unnecessary spoiling is, in fact, considered unnecessary spoiling by many editors. This is seen with cases like this one at Talk:Kingsman: The Secret Service, and by multiple complaints at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler, and various complaints by our readers across Wikipedia. And yet nothing is being about editors placing spoilers any and everywhere and using the WP:SPOILER guideline for justification. First of all, it is a guideline, not a policy. And there are indeed cases where we should not spoil, such as spoiling the twist ending in the lead of the The Sixth Sense article. If you were to add that spoiler to that lead, do you think most editors would support that it stay there if I started a WP:RfC on it? I don't. WP:Spoiler does not support spoiling any and everywhere without good cause, and yet it is used that way. I told you, "And let's not forget that I left in this spoiler, for reasons explained. But the other one? No, I do not see it as necessary on a page that is meant to give a brief character description; that character has her own Wikipedia article, and I am against unnecessarily spoiling in the lead of her article or with a heading. I included the spoilers where readers should expect them or possibly expect them, and that's the way it should be."

In the future, keep a dispute you have with me in one place. I do not like discussing the same thing in two or more places. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

On a side note: Even though I think it's best not to include huge spoilers unless necessary, I do understand the point that readers should expect spoilers in a plot section or in an article about characters where the sections are mostly plot. I've addressed the matter at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler#RfC: Proposal to make unnecessary spoiling clearer in the guideline. And I apologize if I came off as aggressive. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:05, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers!

You're the first person to have ever thanked me for an edit on Wikipedia! Thank YOU! Erick Shepherd (talk) 00:41, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

March 2016

Been doing a bit too much of the alphabetical ordering, thanks for the tip. Should try to follow conventions more frequently, as I just found this and had never came upon it before. Also need to work on being more meticulous. Sorry if when I modify these notes on your page it keeps showing up as a new message. Thanks again. -Cynulliad, 10 March 2016, 20:00 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section

Starring

Hello, there's currently a discussion here and I need your opinion on it. This is related to that discussion you had on Titanic a few months ago. Thanks. -- Wrath X (talk) 03:28, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wrath X, sorry for the late reply, but I don't see what I can state that will help that matter. This is clear by the Titanic discussion. BMK has his style, and, well...we both know where the issue goes from there. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the response at least. -- Wrath X (talk) 13:42, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you don't mind me posting here:

But, tell me- all things being equal, does this appear to be a natural question for an eighteen day old-account with five mainspace edits...? Cheers, _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 18:28, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi, I'm not sure what to think about that case. But then again, these days, I'm not as concerned with WP:Socks and other returning editors. The socks who know I will recognize them immediately or soon enough usually know better than to interact with me or edit the articles I edit. As for the ones willing to risk it, I will usually make them regret it...sooner or later; they might not even see it coming. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. We had a curious- but brief- conversation on their TP, which seems to be the end of the affair for the time being. But: peepers peeled :) Cheers, _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 22:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

hope this is right place

no prob your reversion my edit, but the point is that most technical articles including the shor algorythm, are written at way to high a level with way to much jargon article needs to be fixed; my edit was a not to gentle reminder that the academics who wrote the article have no clue as to what "general encylocpedia" means — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.245.17.105 (talk) 18:31, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hypersomnia

This wasn't experimenting!

Use of amphetamines have dopaminergic effects (known fact), and also, prolonged use can cause cell death and consequently decrease in dopaminergic activity (known fact again).

In Parkinson's disease there's a decline in dopaminergic cells, which accounts for hyposmia. Drpsyfi (talk) 01:19, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Hyperosmia Drpsyfi (talk) 01:27, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

YGM

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sending momemntarily EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 06:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copy editing in general (and in particular).

As to UK-US spelling, typographic conventions (single quotes for reported speech but double quotes for dialogue) short paragraphs but long sentences (hopefully with appropriate punctuation) I can hold my hands up (but not interlace my fingers and turn around). Instead I reserve the right to bring the court's attention to my deprived background: for the first decade of my working life I worked 'in the print' in Quaint Old London Town back in the days when kerning was something that happened near a light box using a scalpel to cut lithographic film but was still occasionally accomplished with a mallet and chisel. (Yes, really: some of the larger decorative typefaces were wooden.) Given that kind of training it doesn't help when, as I just discovered, my spell checkers. all of them, are set up to conform to UK norms.

Now I'm aware I'll be sure to go with the flow re. the typographic conventions (Honest guv'nor!) but I can't pretend to actually like roaming the vast rolling steppes (prairies) of undifferentiated text searching for conclusions among the vast piles of supporting facts, hopefully by following a breadcrumb trail that signposts something interesting is about to jump off the page and if not bite me, at least engage my interest. No matter how immaculate the source, no matter how many in-line citations, no matter the provenance, in the land where the paragraph is rare, the comma is seldom seen and subordinate clause is an endangered species, all seemingly hunted to near-extinction by periods. (Or full stops as I would say, since when my eye hits a line of them in quick succession it's like driving down rail road tracks: even if you don't come to a juddering halt you really, really want to... and no, I don't do that, where I live the British Transport Police take a very dim very of trespassers. If they saw a driving down the they would probably send helicopters.)

If the problem is a matter of house style, fine. I will stand aside, see how it should be done. If that sounds a little juvenile I apologise but consider this: I have spent the better part of three decades wearing a succession of ill-fitting suits of clothes during working hours so yet another stylistic straitjacket is a turn-off: basically this Wikipedia business is a pass-time for me, albeit one in better cause and with a higher purpose than contributing to any given bulletin board and I suspect I'm not alone.

Bottom line polishing someone else's prose (and particularly to the point of policing another chap's punctuation) is not my thing... and I'm assuming it's not a huge issue since if it was a quotation bot would have messaged me in the same way the kindly Bracket Bot occasionally reminds me I forgot to close parentheses. If it's a matter of personal preference, or a cultural affinity with reading matter that's basically a grocery list I will have, regretfully, to take the well-meaning heads-up under advisement.

While I could blame my quaint national heritage but in this area I'm disinclined to do so, having invested (for which read wasted) far too many years trying to persuade committees sitting in various government departments and QUANGOs (QUasi Autonomous Government Organisations and yes, they are every bit as dire as they sound) that mere mortals can be communicated with in plain English. There the problem was a plethora of legal advisers so focussed on safeguarding the institutions from challenges they lost sight of the basic need to say things that were forthright, truthful and worthwhile. Oddly when that happened there was general amazement and rounds of self congratulation by the most die-hard obscurantists. In that light I'm confident even the most abstruse technical subjects can be explained comprehensibly... but rarely by anyone involved in the trench-fighting that created the agreed draft.

If the basic text is literally incomprehensible or very nearly so (impossibly dense, mind-bendingly abstruse, or written up in such obscure in such arcane terms the average person has little idea what they just read unless they take notes then read all the supporting material) I'd say that's at least an indication that text needs work... which takes me back to the business about the chisel: if an article needs a little gentle prising apart to let a little daylight in, I think I can manage that, but not grinding... and most particularly not polishing.

~~Ebookomane~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebookomane (talk • contribs) 11:42, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Accolades Table on The Force Awakens discussion

I have seen your previous involvement in article Star Wars: The Force Awakens. There is a discussion being held regarding to link Accolades section to List of accolades received by Star Wars: The Force Awakens and re-write the section in prose at main article. But one user has a objection and he is reverting constantly with his own reasons, which you can see on article's talk page here. So far only three editors are in discussion please join and write your consensus on this. Nauriya (Rendezvous) 18:04, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spoiler discussion

Hi Flyer, just to let you know I got your "Spoiler" ping earlier this evening. Unfortunately I had my hands full with a very troublesome (and now indeffed) sock and I was against the clock because the sock got his ANI report in before mine and I'd done quite a bit of reverting so it was obviously imperative I corrected the record, so I didn't get a chance to comment at your RFC. Looking at it I see it's quite an extensive discussion and unfortunately I am about to go to bed! However, my next task on Wikipedia (unless my sock has reappeared) will be to read through it and post my comments, although I've got to be honest with you once discussions get that long they tend to default to "no consensus" regardless of what anyone says. Anyway, I'm just dropping you a note since I've been active since you pinged me and I don't want you to think I'm ignoring the ping. Take care. Betty Logan (talk) 12:48, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Betty Logan. I understand about being busy. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Huffington Post as RS

Hi Flyer, I saw an edit of yours where you stated Huff Post is a reliable source. Over at this discussion, an editor is claiming that it is NOT a RS. I thought perhaps you could offer some insight on this, if you have the time. Thanks! Rockypedia (talk) 14:31, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rockypedia, what discussion is that where you saw me state that? Or did I state it in an edit summary? Whether or not The Huffington Post is a WP:Reliable source depends. For example, in another case, I recently noted that The Huffington Post is not reliable for that context. See WP:Context matters. That stated, because the community has been repeatedly divided on whether or not The Huffington Post is a WP:Reliable source, as seen if you search this and this archive, I usually avoid it. I recently used it for the Lexa (The 100) article, but that's a fictional character article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:39, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I realize it depends. What's your opinion on whether or not it's a reliable source here? The discussion I linked above centers on whether the color orange is worn by anyone on St. Patrick's Day. Rockypedia (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will weigh in on the discussion. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Starcrossed article Cloud/Aerith deletion by TheJaff

User:TheJaff continues to delete Cloud/Aerith from the Starcrossed article. Please report his behavior. I have undid his edits and sent him multiple messages asking him to stop and he ignored and deleted my messages to his talk page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.37.94.86 (talk) 10:30, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

IP, yes, I'd seen TheJaff's latest deletion soon after he did it. I do not see what is left to tell him on this matter; he has been thoroughly warned. But I will see about taking care of this matter later. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:14, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.37.94.86 (talk) 21:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A cheeseburger for you!

Hope that you are angry with me, to get closer to you sending some cheeseburger to share and enjoy. May the true God (if exists, which I believe in) bless you. Sharif uddin (talk) 18:31, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) ...surely you mean, "not angry"...? _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 18:39, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sharif uddin, I'm not hungry. And I'm a vegetarian. I already explained what my issues with your editing are. Yes, your editing can make me angry, and people don't like me when I'm angry, but I'm more frustrated by the way you edit than anything else. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:22, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a specific venue where I can seek help?

Hello Flyer22 Reborn. There are some wiki articles related to LGBT topics that I feel need improvement and/or attention. Do you know of any specific venue or noticeboard for LGBT-related articles where I can post to make other editors aware of the articles that need attention?

Also, the article Sexual Preference (book) is using using prominent NARTH members, Neil and Briar Whitehead, as sources for a critique of a study. Both have been known to misrepresent studies to support their claims^[1] so I am doubtful if they can be considered reliable sources. Is it acceptable to use them or NARTH members in general as sources on Wikipedia? If yes, could you kindly check out the 'Sexual Preferences' article to see if they are being used in the acceptable way? —Human10.0 (talk) 18:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Human10.0, as I'm almost entirely responsible for the content of that article, it would have been a courtesy to bring any concerns you have with it directly to me. I suggest that you discuss this issue further at the article's talk page. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:25, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if you felt I was being discourteous FreeKnowledgeCreator. I just wanted to confirm if using NARTH members in general in LGBT contexts is acceptable or not before raising any issues. Not really sure what you want to discuss on the talk page. If you are responsible for the addition of the Whitehead's opinion, that means you think it is acceptable to include, unless you were unaware of their reputations and their affiliation with NARTH. —Human10.0 (talk) 22:56, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Human10.0, I would like to know what exactly the basis of your concern with the content sourced to the Whiteheads is. Do you believe they are misrepresenting the study? What evidence do you have of that? I can understand why you would be concerned if the Whiteheads were expressing fringe views, but as a look through the reception section of the article should confirm, they aren't. What the Whiteheads have said about the study is similar to what other commentators - such as Reiss, Fisher, and especially Zucker and Bradley - have said about it. So why single the Whiteheads out for criticism? These are the sort of issues I would have hoped you would be prepared to discuss, and the talk page of Sexual Preference (book) is the ideal place for that discussion. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:06, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Sexual Preferences article isn't high on my priority list at the moment but don't worry, I will look into it in due time. Given the Whiteheads' affiliation with an organisation that aims to prove that homosexuality is caused almost entirely by social and/or environmental factors rather than actually objectively looking at what causes differences in sexual orientation and given their reputation of misrepresenting studies (and even using discredited sources) to support their claims, I do not see why it is hard to grasp my concerns relating to them being used as if they are sources as reliable as any other. Whether what they've said is corroborated by other authors and whether those other authors themselves are reliable will need to be checked. I will voice any objections I may have on the article's talk page. —Human10.0 (talk) 00:02, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:BLP, it is a very bad idea to make unsupported, potentially defamatory assertions about living people. That rule applies everywhere on Wikipedia, including talk pages. I would strongly advise you not to repeat the claim that the Whiteheads have a "reputation of misrepresenting studies" if you cannot provide any evidence of that, which you have not so far. I also feel obliged to tell you that if you hope to score points in some discussion over article content, unproven and probably unprovable assertions like that are mostly unlikely to help you. Your response avoids answering the question I put to you: as other authors, including respected authors such as Zucker and Bradley, have said things about the Bell study very similar to what the Whiteheads have said, why would you suggest that the Whiteheads may be guilty of misrepresenting it? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 00:10, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

FreeKnowledgeCreator: The first source I gave says "NARTH authors again mislead readers." The use of "again" should be a big clue that the NARTH authors in question (the Whiteheads) have a history and 'reputation' of misleading and misrepresentation. Here is another example of Mr. Whitehead being criticized for misrepresenting a study and here a secondary source criticizes him for using the discredited Paul Cameron.^[2] While I have entertained your request for evidence, I get the feeling that you are still going to claim that this isn't evidence and instead of using your ability of deduction, you are going to expect me to spoon-feed you a source that uses the words "reputation of misrepresentation" so I think I'm just wasting my time here. Frankly speaking, your response above just seems like an unsuccessful attempt at intimidation tactics. I see no use in dragging this conversation further. —Human10.0 (talk) 10:58, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Human10.0, you are using blogs to cast doubt on someone's reputation. That's not considered acceptable here, per WP:BLP. The only thing these blog posts show is that the Whiteheads have been criticized and had accusations made against them on the internet. Many people get criticized and have accusations made against them on the internet, as you probably know. None of this determines what does and does not count as a reliable source on Wikipedia, since obviously the internet makes it very easy for anyone to make any kind of accusation against anyone. You can question whether anything written by the Whiteheads qualifies as a reliable source, but you are going about it absolutely the wrong way. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:31, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Human10.0, sorry for the late reply. Since my work is no longer mainly computer-related, I'm therefore too busy these days to do anything on Wikipedia, except revert matters that need reverting and explaining why I reverted. That is, unless I'm off work on a certain day. As for a specific venue for LGBT-related articles, aren't you aware of WP:LGBT? As for the NARTH stuff, you can take that matter to the WP:Reliable sources noticeboard. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the helpful response Flyer22 Reborn. I was aware of WP:LGBT's existence but I did not know if it had a place for posting requests and questions. Upon closer inspection, it appears WP:LGBT's talk page is the appropriate venue I was looking for. Thank you for helping me find it. Regarding the NARTH stuff, since you are an experienced Wikipedian with thorough knowledge of policies and past consensuses, I was hoping you could let me know if there had been any decisions in the past regarding whether NARTH members can be used as sources or not for LGBT-related content. I guess when I find the time, I will take up the matter with the Reliable sources noticeboard you have linked to. Thanks again.

I know you are quite busy but I hope you didn't mind guiding me about this stuff. I've gotten a hand of editing and rules but I'm still in the process of learning about Wikipedia's venues for aiding editors. I appreciate the help. Regards —Human10.0 (talk) 22:56, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Human10.0, I'm not aware of any ban on NARTH, but you can see from this and this archive link that NARTH was discussed at the WP:Reliable sources noticeboard and the WP:BLP noticeboard before.

Coming to my talk page about such matters is fine; no worries. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:50, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the links and your willingness to help Flyer22 Reborn. —Human10.0 (talk) 10:58, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Throckmorton W (September 6, 2009). "NARTH authors again mislead readers: More on brain plasticity and sexual orientation". Patheos. Retrieved 25 March 2016. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
^ "Paul Cameron Bio and Fact Sheet". psc.dss.ucdavis.edu. Retrieved 27 March 2016.

DV

Doesn't really seem to be an "or" sentence. The second half is dealing specifically with perp rates, so they are not opposing or mutually exclusive propositions. Timothyjosephwood (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Timothyjosephwood, regarding this (followup edit here), my point is that some of the sources essentially state that "the rates are similar for the number of girls and boys in heterosexual relationships who report experiencing IPV" and other sources essentially state that "girls in heterosexual relationships are more likely than their male counterparts to report perpetrating IPV." Because sources differ on that, I don't see it as a "but" thing.

On a side note: When you have concerns about an edit I made to an article, feel free to discus the matter at the article talk page; I prefer that since the article talk page is usually the more appropriate place, will therefore have documentation of the dispute or other concern, and usually has more eyes than an editor's talk page (well, depending on how high-traffic the article is and the number of watchers the editor has). The watchers at the article talk page are more relevant to the matter than the watchers of an editor's talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ANI close

Hi. I've closed the above thread as outlined here, and slightly clarified here. Please have regard for the no-fault restriction imposed by this close, which is also logged at WP:EDR.

I appreciate that this may not be the outcome you would have preferred. Am happy to discuss if required, preferably on my talkpage. -- Euryalus (talk) 13:18, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

While others are certainly correct that a more permanent ban is needed for this editor, especially since this editor will be at disruption again after the latest topic ban expires, and I didn't see consensus for a two-way interaction ban, your close is fine. I think that editor should know that this means do not "make reference to or comment on each other anywhere on Wikipedia, directly or indirectly." And given what I stated about this editor mentioning me, that's a very good thing. I am only mentioning the editor now to clarify this. After this post, I will do what I can not to mention this editor anywhere on Wikipedia...for three months. The two-way ban shouldn't be much of a problem, since the editor is banned from gender and sexuality topics for three months and received a stern warning from you about following me. If I see the stalking pattern again, and it's to the point where I cannot even revert a problematic edit, or mention the problematic edit on the talk page, because of the two-way ban, then that will be a problem. Same goes for us coincidentally being at the same article, if it's a coincidence at all.

Nice close. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Susie Greene (The Walking Dead)

I wanted to create this re-direct (all the other Greene's have one) but, it appears IPs can't create pages so... would you mind helping me out, old buddy, old pal? Please and thanks. Here's all you need: #REDIRECT List of The Walking Dead (comics) characters#Susie Greene. Thanks, sweetheart! All the best!Cebr19795:09, 7 April 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.143.226.170 (talk)

User Cebr1979 has declared war on WP (see the last paragraph) after having been banned from editing the encyclopedia. Please do not support him in his efforts to evade the block. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 21:49, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Koala Tea Of Mercy, as you can see from the interaction I had with Cebr1979 here at my talk page, and from the #Funny.... section below, it is very unlikely that I would assist Cebr1979. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Check Your Emails!

Hello, Flyer22 Frozen. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

User:5 albert square or whatever has something he wants to say to you about me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.143.224.191 (talk) 08:53, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Funny....

Look, Flyer! You're so safe! User:Oshwah's around! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.143.224.191 (talk • contribs)

I see you've made a friend just like I have, Flyer22 Reborn.... ;-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:56, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Have protected the page for a while, as we all have better things to do. Flyer22 Reborn, please let me know if you'd like it lifted ahead of time. -- Euryalus (talk) 09:29, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Euryalus. Like I told another administrator (via email), Cebr1979 clearly loses it when I ignore him. The Todd Manning and Lexa (The 100) articles could also use semi-protection from Cebr1979 and his IPs. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I regret everything. Now he thinks I'm his buddy. clpo13_(talk) 06:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When you made this edit, I understood why you did, even though the IP (Cebr1979) went overboard with removal of "that" (which is clear by grammar experts who debate whether to use "that" when it's actually not needed). In other words, I saw merit in a lot of the edits, but I reverted the IP because any validation of his grammar edits drives him to think that his grammar skills are top notch...when they are not (as made clear by the WP:ANI thread that helped seal his fate), and because he will continue to think he is a net positive for Wikipedia...when he is not. As you know, I reverted a few of his edits after you restored them and replied to him via an edit summary. But attention is what he wants from me, and I am loath to give it to him unless reverting him without comment. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:28, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Childish. (not you, obviously, but Cebr) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 01:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DV

Maybe chill on DV for a sec. I'm going to put on my patient hat and see what happens. I don't want there to be any tension based on past issues. Please continue to monitor, and if things go south we'll do what we do. There's no shortage of rope in the world, and there is certainly a shortage of motivated new editors. I'm no slouch on reverting, so no worries there. Worth a shot right? TimothyJosephWood 23:39, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this and this, a WP:Topic ban is a WP:Topic ban, and, as you know, I have absolutely no patience for... Well, I would state more, but you already know how I feel, and there is a WP:Interaction ban for me to respect. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, she's intentionally not interacted with you. If she does the same thing with someone else, then it's more rope. If they don't then it's evidence that the IBan was effective. Seems like a win win. TimothyJosephWood 01:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also I don't understand the relevance of the Euryalus link. Was there a related SPI? TimothyJosephWood 01:14, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot state much on this matter without violating the interaction ban, and so I'd rather this discussion wrap up. But I will state the following: When an editor is topic-banned, I expect that editor to adhere to the topic ban. In such cases, I am usually not open to the topic ban being ignored, especially if I played a part in seeing that the topic ban was put in place. If I seek a topic ban, it is for a very good reason. In this case, Euryalus stated, in part, "That editor mainly edits in gender and sexuality-related articles. Please stay away from these articles for the duration of the topic ban. Please also stay away from this editor on any other articles, for the duration of the interaction ban." While I wouldn't state that I edit a lot of gender topics, it does not take a genius to understand what a gender topic or gender-related topic is. Domestic violence clearly falls in both categories. And if an editor somehow doubts that domestic violence is a gender topic or gender-related topic, Euryalus also added in "broadly construed." Despite the commentary currently noted on the Euryalus talk page, nowhere is it implied that editing gender topics is okay as long as the edit concerns something that is not directly about gender.

As for my "23:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC)" post above, I linked to the Euryalus talk page above because I commented there about the topic ban. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:03, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, as I was. I thought here was an IBan, not a TBan. That is a bit different. TimothyJosephWood 10:53, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)FWIW, the behavior of the other editor was pretty clearly NOTHERE. Raising silly fringe notions and tendentious argument is clearly not helping anything. Montanabw^(talk) 02:19, 15 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Cissexism

Feel free to comment on the proposed merge that I made on this article. You seem to be very active on most LGBT related topics, don't worry, I won't accuse you of following me to that article. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Most LGBT-related topics? Not at all. Mainly the major ones, and I'm not very active on most of them. As for following, it's the logical conclusion that you followed me here. It is not the logical conclusion that I followed you to the Cissexism article. But don't worry; I'm used to people following me after getting out of a heated discussion (in this case, this one) with me. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I usually take it as a compliment if an editor follows me to another article, as long as they aren't a dick about it. At least I know that I got their attention. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 08:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In my case, when it comes to editors I just got through arguing with, following me is usually to annoy or harass me, and a number of my talk page watchers can attest to that. If I have no patience for such a matter, I cite WP:Hounding and do something about it. In the case of you having followed me, you had something to state on the relevant policy page about my sockpuppet-catching tactics (that I absolutely stand by, given my excellent history of being right); so I don't mind much at this time, despite your attempted mud-slinging. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:00, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's all about relevance. It someone has something relevant to say, then I couldn't care about WP:Hounding. Besides, I've found myself reverting an editor on one article, and supporting their edits on the next, life is too short for caring too much about stuff happening online. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will attest to Flyer22 getting harassed. I didn't agree with Flyer about the preserve vs burden thing, but if you are starting to follow her around Spacecowboy, that is a very, very bad idea. You would do better to disengage. Jytdog (talk) 09:12, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not about to make someone else's talk page into my personal battlefield, so I will make this as succinct as possible. I commented on a sock-puppet talk page, regarding a sock-puppet related interaction that Flyer and I had in the past. I don't see that as an issue. I invited Flyer to comment on a talk page for a LGBT related article, due to me encountering Flyer in the past on similar articles. Again, not as issue. This was a peace offering, seeing as it's a nice Friday evening, and grudges should never be carried over the weekend. No need to disengage from anything, but thanks for caring. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is just best that you disengage on this page and take Jytdog's excellent advice. Montanabw^(talk) 02:21, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's best that you don't concern yourself with my edits and move along. I see nothing rude, disruptive or invasive in my comments, so I don't welcome your intrusion into this matter. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musalyar

Hi, good morning please revert to 717042592 Thanks WikiRescuer (talk) 00:32, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WikiRescuer, I already made that revert and you thanked me for it via WP:Echo. Is your post here meant to thank me again? I sense a language barrier between us. Either way, that editor will likely revert me again, and it's likely that I don't have the passion to see to it that the inappropriate changes stop. Also, that article needs works as a whole. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:33, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Let's block these users from editing the page (User:Nashar.Elaf and User:Vasikhali) check history - WikiRescuer (talk) 03:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Could you take a look at this?

Ages of consent in Europe#Denmark - I think recent edits here may violate the pedophilia policy. I think you would know better than I. Thanks! Jacona (talk) 20:29, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jacona, I see that you mean this material that another editor reverted. It wasn't a WP:Pedophilia violation, but it obviously wasn't good content either. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:25, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I appreciate your taking a look. Jacona (talk) 11:48, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Danny DeVito

I left an edit on Danny DeVito and I had found that it was constructive, in showing that he still has some relevancy. You had removed it earlier, and I was wondering if you could replace it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdpfluke3 (talk • contribs) 03:49, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rdpfluke3 (talk · contribs), no, material was inappropriate; see WP:BLP. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:52, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything wrong with what I added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdpfluke3 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Religious views of the Beatles?

I saw your message about an edit I made on that page and I can honestly say that I don't remember ever making any edits to it, so I guess I have no problems with any changes you made there! (it's been a long time, I don't remember how to sign, I'm sorry) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.197.242.152 (talk) 06:53, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I just checked out my edit history and realized that I'm not actually signed in! I'm supposed to be the user Chevellefan11, so that would explain why I don't remember those edits, I never made them! I must have picked up another IP address or something? No matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.197.242.152 (talk) 06:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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